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Title: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: EckhartJV on February 20, 2018, 06:58:56 AM


Technically, the supply of of cryptocurrency is limitless.it all depends on the Miners' agreement. BTC is capped at 21million but this can be changed if majority of the miners agree.

Could this option be exploited considering the ever increasing demand of BTC?


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: BTCLovingDude on February 20, 2018, 07:03:52 AM
can it be changed? yes
will it be changed? most probably not.

Technically, the supply of of cryptocurrency is limitless.
not quite right.
supply of cryptocurrency is like saying supply of number of stocks in the whole stock market!
and individually speaking it depends on the coin. some coins like ETH and Doge have limitless supply (no cap) but some coins like bitcoin and most others have a cap so it is not limitless.

it all depends on the Miners' agreement.
not exactly.
miners are only 1 part of the network. take a look at UASF (BIP148 and 149) if you want to see what i mean.

BTC is capped at 21million but this can be changed if majority of the miners agree.
you need majority of the whole network not just miners.

Could this option be exploited considering the ever increasing demand of BTC?
no it can not be exploited.


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: hubballi on February 20, 2018, 07:19:51 AM
can it be changed? yes
will it be changed? most probably not.

Technically, the supply of of cryptocurrency is limitless.
not quite right.
supply of cryptocurrency is like saying supply of number of stocks in the whole stock market!
and individually speaking it depends on the coin. some coins like ETH and Doge have limitless supply (no cap) but some coins like bitcoin and most others have a cap so it is not limitless.

it all depends on the Miners' agreement.
not exactly.
miners are only 1 part of the network. take a look at UASF (BIP148 and 149) if you want to see what i mean.

BTC is capped at 21million but this can be changed if majority of the miners agree.
you need majority of the whole network not just miners.

Could this option be exploited considering the ever increasing demand of BTC?
no it can not be exploited.

So it all means that if all big players join hands then they can increase the supply and exploit the Bitcoin price , so now it means that BTC is also not safe to invest. In my view always take profit in any coin because in future anything can happen.


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: JL421 on February 20, 2018, 07:23:51 AM
can it be changed? yes
will it be changed? most probably not.

Technically, the supply of of cryptocurrency is limitless.
not quite right.
supply of cryptocurrency is like saying supply of number of stocks in the whole stock market!
and individually speaking it depends on the coin. some coins like ETH and Doge have limitless supply (no cap) but some coins like bitcoin and most others have a cap so it is not limitless.

it all depends on the Miners' agreement.
not exactly.
miners are only 1 part of the network. take a look at UASF (BIP148 and 149) if you want to see what i mean.

BTC is capped at 21million but this can be changed if majority of the miners agree.
you need majority of the whole network not just miners.

Could this option be exploited considering the ever increasing demand of BTC?
no it can not be exploited.

So it all means that if all big players join hands then they can increase the supply and exploit the Bitcoin price , so now it means that BTC is also not safe to invest. In my view always take profit in any coin because in future anything can happen.
Supply can't be increased there is no owner for bitcoin satoshi set the limit and done no one can change it now developers do make changes in bitcoin but supply can never be increased
And also coins have risk like every other investment there is nothing known as guaranteed profit


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: BTCLovingDude on February 20, 2018, 07:56:09 AM
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So it all means that if all big players join hands then they can increase the supply and exploit the Bitcoin price , so now it means that BTC is also not safe to invest. In my view always take profit in any coin because in future anything can happen.

i have no idea how you made that conclusion from what i said!
but think of it this way, do you agree with increase of supply? how many do you think would like that to happen? obviously majority of people including miners and big players or whatever, prefer this limited supply and they like the scarcity of bitcoin. specially those that are heavily invested in it such as miners. so they would never change it to anything higher.


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: metenjean on February 20, 2018, 08:10:41 AM
Why would you change it from a limited supply cap into more supply, its because of that limited coin that make bitcoin itself attractive and the price can surge until now. Look at gold for example, because its got a limit that make it an investment, and i think miners and most majority player wont be increasing it supply even if the demand is high because its just economic issues. When the demand is high and the supply is low, that drive the prices higher so why would they increase the supply which would lower their profit while miners got their own cost to cover not to mention majority big player invest thousands in security  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: Jaemouns on February 20, 2018, 08:21:55 AM


Technically, the supply of of cryptocurrency is limitless.it all depends on the Miners' agreement. BTC is capped at 21million but this can be changed if majority of the miners agree.

Could this option be exploited considering the ever increasing demand of BTC?
You have youre opininion but for me we can see that bitcoin have limited supply so that the value of bitcoin will be increse fastly .This is the common reason why bitcoin is always on the top level of crypto coin because 21 million supply was people race to achieve it.


Title: Re: Can Bitcoin Units exceed the set 21Million Limit?
Post by: stompix on February 20, 2018, 09:14:59 AM
So it all means that if all big players join hands then they can increase the supply and exploit the Bitcoin price , so now it means that BTC is also not safe to invest. In my view always take profit in any coin because in future anything can happen.


Big players can join hands and do whatever they want.
I can start a fork and increase the supply of coins, but if nobody follows my fork there is no future for it.
Same for the "big players", if people don't follow their chain, there will be no coin.

Oh, and please sell!!! "Investors" like you are the last thing BTC needs.

Supply can't be increased there is no owner for bitcoin satoshi set the limit and done no one can change it now developers do make changes in bitcoin but supply can never be increased
And also coins have risk like every other investment there is nothing known as guaranteed profit

BTCLovingDude has already explained once, I really don't understand how you can be so dense!!!
Anything can be changed, limit, block time, block size but you need consensus for that.

Why would you change it from a limited supply cap into more supply, its because of that limited coin that make bitcoin itself attractive and the price can surge until now. Look at gold for example, because its got a limit that make it an investment, and i think miners and most majority player wont be increasing it supply even if the demand is high because its just economic issues. When the demand is high and the supply is low, that drive the prices higher so why would they increase the supply which would lower their profit while miners got their own cost to cover not to mention majority big player invest thousands in security  ;D ;D

The ones that missed the train are having this idea.
Basically they want to dilute the already mined bitcoins, rendering the so called whales with less coins/supply.
It's not like they will make more money with this, but the newbies will have a more of a say in trading.


One example will be this...from 21 to 210 million.
Of course the impact in price will be instant, (in reality it will turn to zero but for the sake of the argument let's overlook this ) and the value will drop by 10.
In the end if bitcoin will be successful, the entire market cap of all coins will be the same, just one bitcoin will be worth /10 of the original. Nothing to gain here, nothing in ROI.
But the whales and early investors will no longer hold half of the coins, they will have only 5% of them.

This is why some advocate this increase in supply.
But in reality it will turn bitcoin into fiat, one hundred nails in the coffin.