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Title: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: HCP on February 23, 2018, 06:10:07 PM
Today, Ledger have announced that they're releasing native desktop and mobile apps!  :o ;D

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Today, we are excited to announce the upcoming availability of our new generation Ledger Wallet application, built natively for desktop and mobile, gathering all cryptocurrencies in a single, unified place. This app will be available on Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS and won’t require Google Chrome or Chromium anymore.

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You’ll find the full list of features of this first release below

  • Native desktop application (Windows, macOS, Linux)
  • Multi currencies (23 cryptos including Bitcoin, Altcoins, Ethereum, Ripple…)
  • Multi devices (Ledger Nano S, Ledger Blue)
  • Read only consultation of accounts without device (protected by optional password)
  • Dashboard view of all assets
  • Counter values: choice of currency & exchanges
  • Send, receive, account balances & history
  • Confirmation before sending funds
  • On device verification of the receive address
  • Faster account synchronisation engine


Full announcement here: https://www.ledger.fr/2018/02/23/announcing-new-ledger-wallet-desktop-mobile-applications/


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: European Central Bank on February 23, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
it's about time. i do not find the chrome app user friendly at all.

i'm starting to lose a little faith in ledger overall. it looks like they're letting the ledger blue die but haven't definitively told anyone yet. also stuff like them letting their ssl certificate expire and not doing anything about it for several hours are not reassuring actions.

i hope they get their act together properly.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: jossiel on February 23, 2018, 11:31:33 PM
it's about time. i do not find the chrome app user friendly at all.
Correct.

Great move by Ledger it's hassle to download different apps for different set of coins that you are storing.

Bitcoin has its own app, others alt has its own alts. It's wasting a storage/memory although it's not that big but its inconvenient.

This might be their move for this tweet https://twitter.com/LedgerHQ/status/960631013415190528

Also the announcement is published on their twitter account https://twitter.com/LedgerHQ/status/966973349497917442



Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: HCP on February 24, 2018, 01:05:36 AM
Great move by Ledger it's hassle to download different apps for different set of coins that you are storing.

Bitcoin has its own app, others alt has its own alts. It's wasting a storage/memory although it's not that big but its inconvenient.
Do you mean the Chrome Apps or the on-device "wallet apps"? As, I get the impression that you'll still need to have the "wallet apps" on the device itself... it is just that the Chrome apps are being removed and you'll have a single application on your desktop (and/or mobile device) that you use to display your balances etc...

Refer to this part of the announcement:
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Install/uninstall apps on Ledger Nano S automatically to smoothly manage a non limited number of cryptos on one device
So, the multiple on-device apps are still going to be used... they're just going to try and automate the process of loading them onto the device for you...


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: Lucius on February 24, 2018, 11:15:43 AM
Finally something good from Ledger,I think this will be a great move.Although I believe they are forced to do this because Google is announced long time ago that they will discontinue working on apps for Chrome,and time is come for that.

Still need to be seen how the job will be done,I personally do not expect everything to work well in the beginning.During time I use Ledger they have some problems with servers and now with SSL expiration which only shows that they do not think in advance.

Be aware of that fake twitter account LedgerHQ_admin (https://twitter.com/LedgerHQ/status/967016304581464064) which is offer 5000 ETH to users,but only if you send some ETH first to "validate address".


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: jossiel on February 24, 2018, 08:57:35 PM
Great move by Ledger it's hassle to download different apps for different set of coins that you are storing.

Bitcoin has its own app, others alt has its own alts. It's wasting a storage/memory although it's not that big but its inconvenient.
Do you mean the Chrome Apps or the on-device "wallet apps"? As, I get the impression that you'll still need to have the "wallet apps" on the device itself... it is just that the Chrome apps are being removed and you'll have a single application on your desktop (and/or mobile device) that you use to display your balances etc...
I'm talking about those chrome apps.

Imagine that there's a separated app for bitcoin/bitcoin cash and alts, for eth itself and ripple alone.

Refer to this part of the announcement:
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Install/uninstall apps on Ledger Nano S automatically to smoothly manage a non limited number of cryptos on one device
So, the multiple on-device apps are still going to be used... they're just going to try and automate the process of loading them onto the device for you...
I see, thanks for the reference.

Be aware of that fake twitter account LedgerHQ_admin (https://twitter.com/LedgerHQ/status/967016304581464064) which is offer 5000 ETH to users,but only if you send some ETH first to "validate address".
Obviously it's a fake one and they are not the only one who has been faked out, I've seen other fake accounts copying famous crypto celebrity like Justin Sun, Charlie, Binance, etc.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: LeGaulois on February 24, 2018, 09:57:12 PM
Good riddance... I have never really liked the need to use the Chrome app, it's the only thing I don't like with Ledger, it looks like a cheap solution because they didn't know how to create a native application. Need to install firstly an app to install the crypto plugins and use another one to use the wallet, it's like to tinker


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: Rath_ on February 24, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
i'm starting to lose a little faith in ledger overall. it looks like they're letting the ledger blue die but haven't definitively told anyone yet.

I have recently seen a reddit post about it. No one from staff replied, I can't find it anymore. Two resellers of Ledger hardware included information on their website that Ledger discontinued Blue model. As far as I know, Ledger does not accept pre-orders for that model. I'm not surprised, who needed such big screen, Bluetooth and even battery in device which can't work without a computer? Release of Trezor T might have forced Ledger to create something better. A lot of people love Ledger for huge amount of altcoins available in their wallet. I would rather have a stable app which works all the time or at least lets me change the node like Trezor do.

Today, Ledger have announced that they're releasing native desktop and mobile apps!  :o ;D

Well, last year they were saying that they would release new software by the end of the year. Now, it's Q2 2018, I wouldn't be surprised if there were delays. However, I have to admit that mobile application looks great.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: cynical on March 06, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
This is something I would be interested in.
I use coinomi and Electrum on my mobile phone and would like to move to desktop also.

I assume the ledger wallet would not be centralised in any way like Exodus is for example?

Just picked up some of the features to be offered from the ledger site.
Support of 23 crypto coins sounds great and should minimise the amount of wallets to download and kept synchronised.

    Native desktop application (Windows, macOS, Linux)
    Multi currencies (23 cryptos including Bitcoin, Altcoins, Ethereum, Ripple…)
    Multi devices (Ledger Nano S, Ledger Blue)
    Read only consultation of accounts without device (protected by optional password)
    Dashboard view of all assets
    Counter values: choice of currency & exchanges
    Send, receive, account balances & history
    Confirmation before sending funds
    On device verification of the receive address
    Faster account synchronisation engine


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: bob123 on March 06, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
I assume the ledger wallet would not be centralised in any way like Exodus is for example?

It is going to be a light weight wallet. So most probably this is going to be a 'centralised' solution.
Every light weight client relys on an infrastructure to retreive information about the status of transactions, etc.. If thats what you understand with 'centralised'.
Core is the only (independent) full node client. Any other desktop/mobile/HW wallet is a lightweight client.

For a completely independent setup you need to have full nodes (with whole blockchain) running. For each coin you hold.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: cynical on March 06, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
I assume the ledger wallet would not be centralised in any way like Exodus is for example?

It is going to be a light weight wallet. So most probably this is going to be a 'centralised' solution.
Every light weight client relys on an infrastructure to retreive information about the status of transactions, etc.. If thats what you understand with 'centralised'.
Core is the only (independent) full node client. Any other desktop/mobile/HW wallet is a lightweight client.

For a completely independent setup you need to have full nodes (with whole blockchain) running. For each coin you hold.

thanks Bob, i understand.

well explained.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: Rath_ on March 06, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
It is going to be a light weight wallet. So most probably this is going to be a 'centralised' solution.
Every light weight client relys on an infrastructure to retreive information about the status of transactions, etc.. If thats what you understand with 'centralised'.
Core is the only (independent) full node client. Any other desktop/mobile/HW wallet is a lightweight client.

For a completely independent setup you need to have full nodes (with whole blockchain) running. For each coin you hold.

TREZOR allows you to use your own node in their custom wallet. You can use both Ledger and TREZOR with Electrum which also allows you to use your own node (not to mention better coin control). Is there anything wrong with running, for example, Electrum node and connecting to it using Electrum client and a hardware wallet?

Running a full node for each altcoin is extremely costly. That's why many people choose lightweight wallets. What a shame that they still use web wallets which usually don't give your private key or seed.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: HCP on March 07, 2018, 05:57:00 AM
TREZOR allows you to use your own node in their custom wallet. You can use both Ledger and TREZOR with Electrum which also allows you to use your own node (not to mention better coin control). Is there anything wrong with running, for example, Electrum node and connecting to it using Electrum client and a hardware wallet?
Only the massive overhead of a Bitcoin Full Node coupled with an Electrum Server install...

Trustless operation comes with a cost ;)


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: dogtana on March 17, 2018, 08:17:34 AM
I hope they release new currencies apps soon.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: TryNinja on March 17, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
I hope they release new currencies apps soon.
Ledger is always looking forward to add support for different cryptocurrencies. For example, looks like they are already working on adding XMR, DCR and ADA.

You can check their full roadmap in this page: https://trello.com/b/5nQ1mdzt/ledger-roadmap


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: bob123 on March 17, 2018, 04:43:08 PM
I hope they release new currencies apps soon.
Ledger is always looking forward to add support for different cryptocurrencies. For example, looks like they are already working on adding XMR, DCR and ADA.

As far as i know the application itself for XMR is already done and being tested.
In addition to DCR and ADA, ledger is going to support NANO soonTM (network update followed by application starting to get tested).


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: RGBKey on March 18, 2018, 04:06:47 AM
I hope they release new currencies apps soon.
Ledger is always looking forward to add support for different cryptocurrencies. For example, looks like they are already working on adding XMR, DCR and ADA.

As far as i know the application itself for XMR is already done and being tested.
In addition to DCR and ADA, ledger is going to support NANO soonTM (network update followed by application starting to get tested).

Ledger support for nano might push me to buy some. I think ledger adding support for cryptos is a big deal for a lot of them.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: bob123 on March 18, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
~snip~
Ledger support for nano might push me to buy some. I think ledger adding support for cryptos is a big deal for a lot of them.

I kinda think the same. I feel uncomfortable not storing coins on a hardware wallet.
Securing a wallet which you might want to access frequently is a pain considering the usability you have with any offline storage.
Every self-respecting crypto should aim to get hardware wallet support. Either by the established companies or by self-made products.
This is crucial for success and adoption.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: vlom on April 08, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
i am looking forward to this app. i dont like google and i dont like chrome. + all the chrome apps i had to install and switch between them. thing will be much easier and i will transfer more currencies to my ledger than i am doing now.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: ETFbitcoin on April 08, 2018, 05:38:49 PM
Considering their good reputation with hardware wallet which have good security and good community/customer service, i'm sure this wallet will be favorite among user who needs cryptocurrency wallet or/and don't want run full nodes.
Jaxx and Exodus popularity could be beaten by Ledger if the application at least as good as their hardware wallet.

But there's no info whether the wallet give user full access to their cryptocurrency private key or seed.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: TryNinja on April 08, 2018, 05:47:47 PM
Considering their good reputation with hardware wallet which have good security and good community/customer service, i'm sure this wallet will be favorite among user who needs cryptocurrency wallet or/and don't want run full nodes.
Jaxx and Exodus popularity could be beaten by Ledger if the application at least as good as their hardware wallet.
The app still requires you to have a Ledger.

You don't need to buy a hardware device to use Jaxx and Exodus, so you can't compare both of them with the new Ledger app.

But there's no info whether the wallet give user full access to their cryptocurrency private key or seed.
It should be pretty obvious that you will have access to your seed, which you can use to import your wallet into a different wallet (like Electrum).


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: ETFbitcoin on April 08, 2018, 05:59:26 PM
Considering their good reputation with hardware wallet which have good security and good community/customer service, i'm sure this wallet will be favorite among user who needs cryptocurrency wallet or/and don't want run full nodes.
Jaxx and Exodus popularity could be beaten by Ledger if the application at least as good as their hardware wallet.
The app still requires you to have a Ledger.

You don't need to buy a hardware device to use Jaxx and Exodus, so you can't compare both of them with the new Ledger app.

But there's no info whether the wallet give user full access to their cryptocurrency private key or seed.
It should be pretty obvious that you will have access to your seed, which you can use to import your wallet into a different wallet (like Electrum).

My bad, i thought "Native desktop application" means standalone/fully independent wallet which don't require Ledger's hardware wallet.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: HCP on April 08, 2018, 11:24:30 PM
It should be pretty obvious that you will have access to your seed, which you can use to import your wallet into a different wallet (like Electrum).
I'm not so sure... With the current ledger setup, after the initial setup and confirmation, there isn't (as far as I know) a way to get the seed mnemonic to display on the device again.

I believe this is a "security feature" to prevent the seed from being extracted or stolen etc.

I doubt the new native desktop software will change this behaviour.

Regardless, the user should have written the seed down during setup (and possibly made a 2nd copy as backup), so they *should* have access to the seed mnemonic and, by extension, the private keys.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: European Central Bank on April 08, 2018, 11:30:36 PM
I'm not so sure... With the current ledger setup, after the initial setup and confirmation, there isn't (as far as I know) a way to get the seed mnemonic to display on the device again.

I believe this is a "security feature" to prevent the seed from being extracted or stolen etc.

I doubt the new native desktop software will change this behaviour.

Regardless, the user should have written the seed down during setup (and possibly made a 2nd copy as backup), so they *should* have access to the seed mnemonic and, by extension, the private keys.

you have to be able to see the seed somewhere to verify it after a restoration and the most secure place to view it is on the screen of the ledger. that's one thing the ledger had over the trezor until the latest version, no need to enter or view anything seed related anywhere other than the ledger itself.

even though odds are of course on your side, i was never too happy messing with a trezor's seed words on a computer.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: RGBKey on April 09, 2018, 02:55:40 AM
It should be pretty obvious that you will have access to your seed, which you can use to import your wallet into a different wallet (like Electrum).
I'm not so sure... With the current ledger setup, after the initial setup and confirmation, there isn't (as far as I know) a way to get the seed mnemonic to display on the device again.

I believe this is a "security feature" to prevent the seed from being extracted or stolen etc.

I doubt the new native desktop software will change this behaviour.

Regardless, the user should have written the seed down during setup (and possibly made a 2nd copy as backup), so they *should* have access to the seed mnemonic and, by extension, the private keys.

You don't really have a way to get around writing it down because it asks you to confirm (some of?) your seed words directly after showing them to you, to check that you've written them down.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: Lucius on April 09, 2018, 10:21:14 AM

You don't really have a way to get around writing it down because it asks you to confirm (some of?) your seed words directly after showing them to you, to check that you've written them down.

This was a case with previous firmware,now user is need to confirm all 24 words and not only 2-3 words what was the case before.I think this is a much better and safer way to ensure 100% correct backup of the seed.In any case, the best way to check the accuracy of the seed is to reset device and enter seed again(but before sending any coins).

Regarding desktop app,since Google Apps will not shut down before June 2018 we can expect to Ledger release desktop app before that.I just hope there will not be some bigger problems with app and that they are upgrade servers finally.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: RGBKey on May 03, 2018, 03:47:34 PM
Has anybody been able to find an estimated release date on these new native applications? I'm pretty excited for them.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: Paractor on May 03, 2018, 03:51:24 PM
Has anybody been able to find an estimated release date on these new native applications? I'm pretty excited for them.
Looks like soon as we are already in the second quarter! :)
https://www.ledger.fr/2018/02/23/announcing-new-ledger-wallet-desktop-mobile-applications/

"We’ll soon be announcing availability of the Ledger Wallet application. We’ll first release the desktop version during Q2 2018 and then focus on the mobile version Q3 2018. The new version of the Ledger Manager is also expected for Q2 2018. Stay tuned!"


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: dogtana on May 04, 2018, 02:28:19 PM
Has anybody been able to find an estimated release date on these new native applications? I'm pretty excited for them.

I have been searching, but no further news. I read rumors ADA and IOTA will be supported.


Title: Re: Ledger releasing native Desktop and Mobile apps
Post by: bob123 on May 07, 2018, 04:17:59 PM
I read rumors ADA and IOTA will be supported.

Those aren't just rumors.
IOTA (https://trello.com/c/IT8skU5a/77-iota-support) and ADA (https://trello.com/c/rEK3saDK/71-cardano-support) are both on ledgers roadmap (https://trello.com/b/5nQ1mdzt/ledger-roadmap).

They are working on an application for those coins. They are confirmed. But this still can take a few months until they are out.
As far as i know there is no submitted code being reviewed by ledger yet.