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Title: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: terrapinflyer on September 26, 2013, 06:21:44 AM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: FirstAscent on September 26, 2013, 06:58:25 AM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: Nik1ab on September 26, 2013, 08:15:38 AM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: bernard75 on September 26, 2013, 08:34:08 AM
2 way encryption carrier pigeons.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: dragonkid on September 26, 2013, 09:13:43 AM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

You could use SSH tunnelling. If you are using Linux, Pigdin also have an encryption feature to chat.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: 01BTC10 on September 26, 2013, 11:35:56 AM
For VOIP/chat:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
https://jitsi.org/
http://icanblink.com/

Only chat:
https://github.com/prof7bit/TorChat
http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/

But nothing is secure if one end of the communication is compromised.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 26, 2013, 11:43:32 AM
OTR is quite good. Also look in Tox (under development).


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 26, 2013, 11:43:55 AM
OTR is quite good. GPG is tried and tested. Also look in Tox (under development). 


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: b!z on September 26, 2013, 02:38:29 PM
http://crypto.cat/ is cool, and it's pretty easy to use, which is what you're looking for. No VoIP though.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: marcovaldo on September 26, 2013, 02:40:31 PM
You can try (maybe):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=254363.0


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: spndr7 on September 26, 2013, 02:46:06 PM
Tor phone is good option for VOIP.

http://torfone.org


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: RodeoX on September 26, 2013, 02:48:06 PM
U.S. Mail. Old school technology with old school legal protection.  8)


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: b!z on September 26, 2013, 03:13:48 PM
U.S. Mail. Old school technology with old school legal protection.  8)

And old school ways to read your mail.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: millsdmb on September 26, 2013, 03:23:52 PM
U.S. Mail. Old school technology with old school legal protection.  8)
Govt tracks and maintains records of every parcel, its origin and destination.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: dragonkid on September 26, 2013, 03:31:58 PM
2 way encryption carrier pigeons.

How many pigeons do you need to actually make this work? You need pigeons to send key exchange prior to sending the message. Also pigeons to proof of receive the message. you might need at least 12 pigeons to make this work. Also you need to be able to check if the pigeons have been compromise, such as pigeons from another source which pretend to me the sender or receiver. Also this will be seasonal, you will not be able to transfer any messages during the pigeon hunting season.  ;D


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: RodeoX on September 26, 2013, 03:32:55 PM
U.S. Mail. Old school technology with old school legal protection.  8)
Govt tracks and maintains records of every parcel, its origin and destination.
True. But reading your mail is harder for the gov than say Internet traffic. The laws regarding mail are from a time when we had more protection from spying. I think it is still true that a letter is much more secure than an email. Similar to the difference between tapping a phone line vs. an Internet connection.  But who knows what the government is up to now. ::)


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: bernard75 on September 26, 2013, 03:41:18 PM
2 way encryption carrier pigeons.

How many pigeons do you need to actually make this work? You need pigeons to send key exchange prior to sending the message. Also pigeons to proof of receive the message. you might need at least 12 pigeons to make this work. Also you need to be able to check if the pigeons have been compromise, such as pigeons from another source which pretend to me the sender or receiver. Also this will be seasonal, you will not be able to transfer any messages during the pigeon hunting season.  ;D

You forgot about the pigeons that check if the receiver is ready to receive. :D


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: FirstAscent on September 26, 2013, 04:22:44 PM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

So? Please tell me why I should care that my recommendation of a film to a friend resides as data on a harddrive in a basement in the middle of the desert, where upon nobody will ever read it.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: Gabi on September 26, 2013, 04:27:55 PM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

So? Please tell me why I should care that my recommendation of a film to a friend resides as data on a harddrive in a basement in the middle of the desert, where upon nobody will ever read it.
Are you trolling? This thread is about secure ways, not about unsecure ways  :-\ No one cares about your film, but if you have to fight against industrial espionage then you need a secure way to communicate

What about using RetroShare? http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: FirstAscent on September 26, 2013, 04:49:14 PM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

So? Please tell me why I should care that my recommendation of a film to a friend resides as data on a harddrive in a basement in the middle of the desert, where upon nobody will ever read it.
Are you trolling? This thread is about secure ways, not about unsecure ways  :-\ No one cares about your film, but if you have to fight against industrial espionage then you need a secure way to communicate

No, I am not trolling. If you're involved in work in a high profile business, then secure communication matters. But is that the case for those here seeking secure communication? I'd be curious to hear the motivations.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: terrapinflyer on September 26, 2013, 05:32:54 PM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

So? Please tell me why I should care that my recommendation of a film to a friend resides as data on a harddrive in a basement in the middle of the desert, where upon nobody will ever read it.
Are you trolling? This thread is about secure ways, not about unsecure ways  :-\ No one cares about your film, but if you have to fight against industrial espionage then you need a secure way to communicate

No, I am not trolling. If you're involved in work in a high profile business, then secure communication matters. But is that the case for those here seeking secure communication? I'd be curious to hear the motivations.

We are chatting about several new start up business ideas and looking to be more secure about it. Not exactly high profile but still not something we want to be snooped on.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! Btw the pigeon thing is funny but it is something I have been talking about for about 2 years. I live in the stick and I would be cool to have a few friends with flocks to send messages back and forth.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: RodeoX on September 26, 2013, 05:39:15 PM
I like the encrypted pigeon idea. Unfortunately, the NSA has already developed a 12Ga. packet sniffer.  :-\

http://thehunterwiki.com/images/2/2d/Side-by-side-shotgun.jpg


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: pedrog on September 26, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

So? Please tell me why I should care that my recommendation of a film to a friend resides as data on a harddrive in a basement in the middle of the desert, where upon nobody will ever read it.
Are you trolling? This thread is about secure ways, not about unsecure ways  :-\ No one cares about your film, but if you have to fight against industrial espionage then you need a secure way to communicate

No, I am not trolling. If you're involved in work in a high profile business, then secure communication matters. But is that the case for those here seeking secure communication? I'd be curious to hear the motivations.

So, if someone isn't involved in "high profile business" privacy doesn't matter?


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: FirstAscent on September 26, 2013, 06:21:04 PM
Im looking for a secure way to communicate with long distance friends and colleagues. What are my options these days? Are there secure VOIPs chat channels or something compared to pgp (something less tiresome) ?

Standard email. Seriously. Nobody cares what you're saying. Not even, you know...
WRONG.

Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

So? Please tell me why I should care that my recommendation of a film to a friend resides as data on a harddrive in a basement in the middle of the desert, where upon nobody will ever read it.
Are you trolling? This thread is about secure ways, not about unsecure ways  :-\ No one cares about your film, but if you have to fight against industrial espionage then you need a secure way to communicate

No, I am not trolling. If you're involved in work in a high profile business, then secure communication matters. But is that the case for those here seeking secure communication? I'd be curious to hear the motivations.

So, if someone isn't involved in "high profile business" privacy doesn't matter?

Of course privacy matters. Have I indicated that it doesn't, or provided any methods that don't provide privacy if you're not a high profile business? By the way, don't you have a film to watch?


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: bernard75 on September 26, 2013, 06:29:55 PM
Im looking at your profile here at NSA HQ and because i dont like your views, i will disclose that you masturbate way too much to your wife, you also smoked some weed when you were young, are overweight and have back problems and this is going straight to your employer, who will have to pay a fortune in insurance in the future.
Good luck with your new life.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: shakezola on September 26, 2013, 06:41:28 PM
www.bitmessage.org


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: dragonkid on September 26, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
2 way encryption carrier pigeons.

How many pigeons do you need to actually make this work? You need pigeons to send key exchange prior to sending the message. Also pigeons to proof of receive the message. you might need at least 12 pigeons to make this work. Also you need to be able to check if the pigeons have been compromise, such as pigeons from another source which pretend to me the sender or receiver. Also this will be seasonal, you will not be able to transfer any messages during the pigeon hunting season.  ;D

You forgot about the pigeons that check if the receiver is ready to receive. :D

Exactly, even though it could be a good method for communication. But damn you will need lots of pigeons to send one message.  :D


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: terrapinflyer on September 26, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
Im looking at your profile here at NSA HQ and because i dont like your views, i will disclose that you masturbate way too much to your wife, you also smoked some weed when you were young, are overweight and have back problems and this is going straight to your employer, who will have to pay a fortune in insurance in the future.
Good luck with your new life.

Employer? Thats laughable. ;D I work for no one cali has been good to me bud


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: shakezola on September 26, 2013, 06:49:57 PM
Use CB or Ham Radio


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: mogrith on September 26, 2013, 06:54:03 PM
U.S. Mail. Old school technology with old school legal protection.  8)
Govt tracks and maintains records of every parcel, its origin and destination.
True. But reading your mail is harder for the gov than say Internet traffic. The laws regarding mail are from a time when we had more protection from spying. I think it is still true that a letter is much more secure than an email. Similar to the difference between tapping a phone line vs. an Internet connection.  But who knows what the government is up to now. ::)

use one time pad to write mail and you are set.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: terrapinflyer on September 26, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
2 way encryption carrier pigeons.

How many pigeons do you need to actually make this work? You need pigeons to send key exchange prior to sending the message. Also pigeons to proof of receive the message. you might need at least 12 pigeons to make this work. Also you need to be able to check if the pigeons have been compromise, such as pigeons from another source which pretend to me the sender or receiver. Also this will be seasonal, you will not be able to transfer any messages during the pigeon hunting season.  ;D

You forgot about the pigeons that check if the receiver is ready to receive. :D

Exactly, even though it could be a good method for communication. But damn you will need lots of pigeons to send one message.  :D

Well the pigeons only fly one way, back to their cope. So you would have to exchange birds with the person you want to talk to. They would receive there birds back with messages from you and visa verse. Getting a phantom bird wont happen. As far as a key you would just make one with your partner prior to sending birds. We where thinking of doing this as more of a hobbie/shtf thing. You can also eat the birds and eggs unlike chickens doves mature in 9 weeks. You could also race from long distances. Hunting season would be a challenge though...
Im guessing a decent flock would be adound 30-90 birds.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: lucasjkr on September 26, 2013, 07:03:50 PM
Here is something useful: http://www.prism-break.org/

The OS is just one layer. Switching to Linux is meaningless if you continue to use Facebook, Gmail, Yahoo, or really, ANY email or communications product that's not under your control (ie, any webmail product, any POP/IMAP mail account for which you don't directly own and manage the physical server (as opposed to running a virtualized instance elsewhere).

There is so much more at play here, that just blindly adopting Linux. It requires a rethinking of how you use the web to communicate and information.




Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: 01BTC10 on September 26, 2013, 07:52:09 PM
Use CB or Ham Radio
You forgot about encryption and unless the law is different than in Canada, it requires a special license to do so on radio wave.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: pedrog on September 26, 2013, 08:02:59 PM
So, if someone isn't involved in "high profile business" privacy doesn't matter?

Of course privacy matters. Have I indicated that it doesn't, or provided any methods that don't provide privacy if you're not a high profile business? By the way, don't you have a film to watch?

Haha, good point, and a long one. :)


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: FirstAscent on September 26, 2013, 08:19:38 PM
So, if someone isn't involved in "high profile business" privacy doesn't matter?

Of course privacy matters. Have I indicated that it doesn't, or provided any methods that don't provide privacy if you're not a high profile business? By the way, don't you have a film to watch?

Haha, good point, and a long one. :)

Yi Yi awaits.


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: jackjack on September 26, 2013, 08:31:19 PM
Encrypting messages to bitcoin addresses


Title: Re: Secure ways to comunicate?
Post by: rigel on September 27, 2013, 08:21:12 PM
Why communicate?
Shut up, enemies  are listening!