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Title: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 02:15:50 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/2dtrp12.jpg

See what the hell this is? Do you? Some idiotic fucker has developed a virus which does nothing but run copies of the bitcoin mining client to generate coins for the viruses creator. This kind of moronic shit is going to get bitcoin a really fucking bad reputation exceedingly quickly, especially with security companies (who would then be liable to automatically block any bitcoin client from running on the machine since it's suspect malicious software). Especially if it gets bitcoin classed as a botnet operation because then you get a whole load of countries cyber-defence agencies involved, which is going to kill the project dead.

I don't expect it's anyone here but if it is cut that shit out now, before you ruin this for fucking everyone.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Elokane on July 19, 2011, 02:18:28 PM
I am shocked and appalled


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: chiropteran on July 19, 2011, 02:23:17 PM
You mean like how credit cards are gone now since some viruses and botnets stole credit card numbers?


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: cypherdoc on July 19, 2011, 02:24:51 PM
go and look at all of the OP's personal posts.  he's a troll.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 02:26:32 PM
go and look at all of the OP's personal posts.  he's a troll.

You gonna substantiate that or is this forum literally going to be a witchhunt of "WELL THIS GUY DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME I GUESS HE MUST BE A TROLL" while everyone else stands around the pyre with pitchforks and torches screaming "TROLL TROLL TROLL".

Becuase its this kinda shit that got these very forums taken off the bitcoin website, but whatever.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 02:28:39 PM
Incidently:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=21524.0
So it's not like someone hasn't been deliberating working towards this shit.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: cypherdoc on July 19, 2011, 02:30:43 PM
go and look at all of the OP's personal posts.  he's a troll.

You gonna substantiate that or is this forum literally going to be a witchhunt of "WELL THIS GUY DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME I GUESS HE MUST BE A TROLL" while everyone else stands around the pyre with pitchforks and torches screaming "TROLL TROLL TROLL".

Becuase its this kinda shit that got these very forums taken off the bitcoin website, but whatever.

you know the BTC is starting to go back up?  you might get fired.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Tasty Champa on July 19, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
you can guarantee everyone are here.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Tasty Champa on July 19, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
go and look at all of the OP's personal posts.  he's a troll.

You gonna substantiate that or is this forum literally going to be a witchhunt of "WELL THIS GUY DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME I GUESS HE MUST BE A TROLL" while everyone else stands around the pyre with pitchforks and torches screaming "TROLL TROLL TROLL".

Becuase its this kinda shit that got these very forums taken off the bitcoin website, but whatever.

you know the BTC is starting to go back up?  you might get fired.

it would be cheaper to just buy all the coins. xD


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: nakowa on July 19, 2011, 02:46:49 PM
Hope one day this community have a "police station"...


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: indicasteve on July 19, 2011, 02:58:14 PM
Pretty lame mining virus... using 0% CPU.  Not a whole lotta hashing going on.



Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: TheBitMan on July 19, 2011, 03:03:46 PM
Hope one day this community have a "police station"...
I said that a long time ago and got yelled at  :-[


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: xlcus on July 19, 2011, 03:05:29 PM
Pretty lame mining virus... using 0% CPU.  Not a whole lotta hashing going on.
GPU?


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Bobnova on July 19, 2011, 03:12:09 PM
Welcome to two weeks ago.  Banning the CPU botnet miners is what kicked off the bitcoin wide DDOS.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: bitfreak! on July 19, 2011, 03:36:21 PM
What I wanna know is how you dead shits manage to get these viruses in the first place...I mean it totally amazes me. Do you guys just download warez all day long or something?

It is no surprise what so ever that mining trojans are now in the wild. A decent botnet could generate some massive profit via bitcoin mining. Now they don't need to lend out their botnets to anyone or deal with stupid spam.

All they need to do is make the victims PC run some mining app in the background and they have a constant money inflow. This will only continue to gain popularity amongst botnet owners.

In order to avoid becoming a part of such a botnet one must take the proper precautions when browsing and downloading from the internet. 95% of the time these precautions will keep you clean.

What are these precautions you may ask? Well there are a few simple things you can do to immediately increase your defenses exponentially. These instructions are aimed at users of Windows machines.

1) Have a good virus and malware scanner (eg Avira AntiVir and MalwareBytes)
2) Have a good firewall(s) and system monitor (eg COMODO and WinPatrol)
3) Have some sort of spam-filter for your emails and don't open anything suspicious.
4) Use the NoScript and AdBlock Plus browser add-ons or similar. This is important,
    you are much safer to disable scripting on all websites and white-list those
    that you trust. NoScript for Firefox is very good.
5) Don't run suspicious files and always scan files before you run them unless you
    trust the file is 100% safe. Keep an eye on your Firewall and system monitor to
    see if the file tries to do anything suspicious.

There are many other things you can do, and although some of those things may appear to be quite complex or tedious at first it really is worth the extra effort to do these things.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: bitcon on July 19, 2011, 04:25:24 PM
http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/1594627/view/1/producttypecolor/2/type/png/width/378/height/378/black-use-linux-men_design.png


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: DonnyCMU on July 19, 2011, 04:35:16 PM
go and look at all of the OP's personal posts.  he's a troll.
Because you don't agree with him?


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: chiropteran on July 19, 2011, 04:39:54 PM
go and look at all of the OP's personal posts.  he's a troll.
Because you don't agree with him?

Because he has green skin, warts, a massive body size, he holds a club, and sunlight turns him to stone.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: pekv2 on July 19, 2011, 04:41:22 PM
What I wanna know is how you dead shits manage to get these viruses in the first place...I mean it totally amazes me. Do you guys just download warez all day long or something?

It is no surprise what so ever that mining trojans are now in the wild. A decent botnet could generate some massive profit via bitcoin mining. Now they don't need to lend out their botnets to anyone or deal with stupid spam.

All they need to do is make the victims PC run some mining app in the background and they have a constant money inflow. This will only continue to gain popularity amongst botnet owners.

In order to avoid becoming a part of such a botnet one must take the proper precautions when browsing and downloading from the internet. 95% of the time these precautions will keep you clean.

What are these precautions you may ask? Well there are a few simple things you can do to immediately increase your defenses exponentially. These instructions are aimed at users of Windows machines.

1) Have a good virus and malware scanner (eg Avira AntiVir and MalwareBytes)
2) Have a good firewall(s) and system monitor (eg COMODO and WinPatrol)
3) Have some sort of spam-filter for your emails and don't open anything suspicious.
4) Use the NoScript and AdBlock Plus browser add-ons or similar. This is important,
    you are much safer to disable scripting on all websites and white-list those
    that you trust. NoScript for Firefox is very good.
5) Don't run suspicious files and always scan files before you run them unless you
    trust the file is 100% safe. Keep an eye on your Firewall and system monitor to
    see if the file tries to do anything suspicious.

There are many other things you can do, and although some of those things may appear to be quite complex or tedious at first it really is worth the extra effort to do these things.

I was wondering the same. How'd he get it in the first place, not stating he is a morn either.

Those are very good suggestions, I've been using these utility's and + more for a long time.

I could add to the suggestions as well.

With the above +
Superantispyware, Microsoft Security Essentials[In which runs in the back ground, monitoring etc.]
CCleaner which everybody should know of.
I recommend as said above Comodo x64, specially if you are on a Win7 64bit OS. Set you Comodo firewall to CUSTOM and not SAFE MODE.
HiJackthis + a recommended security forums.

I probably missed a few but with this above quote & what I post is pretty much damn tight security.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: gnaget on July 19, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
It's me. If you want to just send me the coins now then I will whitelist your computer from the virus.

Don't go taking credit for my work.  Send me the coins, and I will actually whitelist your computer from the virus.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Chris Acheson on July 19, 2011, 04:48:34 PM
Incidently:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=21524.0
So it's not like someone hasn't been deliberating working towards this shit.

I was going to suggest checking with the Russian Business Network, but it looks like this forum has aspiring cybercriminals of its own.  Fucking hell.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 05:19:18 PM
This witchhunt shit is starting to piss me off, I can seriously see why the bitcoin devs are distancing themselves from this forum. If you guys aren't going to take a serious fucking problem like this seriously then whatever, enjoy bitcoin while it lasts before it loses all credibility.

Incidently, this wasn't my PC, I was reposting something for someone since they can't post here due to the postcount lower limits.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: bitcon on July 19, 2011, 05:45:26 PM
maybe it will give bitcoin more publicity.

USER:  I have a bitcoin virus? 
Tech: yes 
USER: whats bitcoin?
Tech: its a p2p currency....


bad publicity is still publicity...........


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: FlipPro on July 19, 2011, 06:31:50 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/2dtrp12.jpg

See what the hell this is? Do you? Some idiotic fucker has developed a virus which does nothing but run copies of the bitcoin mining client to generate coins for the viruses creator. This kind of moronic shit is going to get bitcoin a really fucking bad reputation exceedingly quickly, especially with security companies (who would then be liable to automatically block any bitcoin client from running on the machine since it's suspect malicious software). Especially if it gets bitcoin classed as a botnet operation because then you get a whole load of countries cyber-defence agencies involved, which is going to kill the project dead.

I don't expect it's anyone here but if it is cut that shit out now, before you ruin this for fucking everyone.
OP's a troll

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3413928&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=336#post393667899

Maybe he did get infected with that virus (which isn't right) , but his intentions here aren't either...


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 06:34:37 PM
Just because I reposted something from a shitty "comedy" forum that this forum has linked to multiple times doesn't mean I'm a troll, hth.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: makomk on July 19, 2011, 07:42:24 PM
OP's a troll

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3413928&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=336#post393667899

Maybe he did get infected with that virus (which isn't right) , but his intentions here aren't either...
Ah, so it's a repost of that post from the SA forums - no wonder the .exe names looked familiar. I wonder if he ever figured out where it came from?


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 07:46:25 PM
http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1762

Shut

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bitcoin-Mining-Malware-in-the-Wild-208665.shtml

The

http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/208188132/Gold_rush

FUCK

http://www.spamfighter.com/News-16407-BitCoin-Harvesting-Trojan-Detected.htm

UP

This is actually something that could motherfucking destroy bitcoin


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: airdata on July 19, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
Quote
This kind of moronic shit is going to get bitcoin a really fucking bad reputation exceedingly quickly, especially with security companies

I agree.  It's pretty stupid.  It's like robbing a bank and stopping to piss on all of the money.  I'm pretty sure we'd still be looking at $20-25 /btc if we didn't have to deal with hackers who would rather get free $14 btc than honestly get $25 btc.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: evolve on July 19, 2011, 08:07:53 PM
unfortunately this isnt really a new issue. bitcoin malware has been in the wild for a while. in fact, im pretty sure one of the latest metasploit releases contained the wallet stealer in its program. anyone can go onto hack forums and buy silent miners and zombie computers for thier botnet.

as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread.  yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.

that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin.  look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart.  most computer users know the risks.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: dank on July 19, 2011, 08:21:02 PM
This kind of moronic shit is going to get bitcoin a really fucking bad reputation exceedingly quickly
Especially if it gets bitcoin classed as a botnet operation because then you get a whole load of countries cyber-defence agencies involved, which is going to kill the project dead.
This is actually something that could motherfucking destroy bitcoin
I agree OP is a troll.  Stop the fear mongering.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 08:52:14 PM
unfortunately this isnt really a new issue. bitcoin malware has been in the wild for a while. in fact, im pretty sure one of the latest metasploit releases contained the wallet stealer in its program. anyone can go onto hack forums and buy silent miners and zombie computers for thier botnet.

as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread.  yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.

that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin.  look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart.  most computer users know the risks.

The difference being when you've got trojans that specifically do nothing but setup botnets for the sole harvesting of bitcoins it's going to give bitcoin a really bad name with security companies really quickly. Unless the community is going to actively try and prevent this sorta shit happening bitcoin is going to get a really bad name with important places and people who we'd probably rather not piss off!


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: rebuilder on July 19, 2011, 09:00:48 PM
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.

If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: evolve on July 19, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
The difference being when you've got trojans that specifically do nothing but setup botnets for the sole harvesting of bitcoins it's going to give bitcoin a really bad name with security companies really quickly. Unless the community is going to actively try and prevent this sorta shit happening bitcoin is going to get a really bad name with important places and people who we'd probably rather not piss off!


i still dont think its nearly as serious as the abundant amount of malware in the wild that steals credit card info and the like. 

what, specifically,  can the "community" do? its up to the security professionals/av programmers/whitehats to find and fix exploits. all the end user can do is keep their computer locked down properly.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: opticbit on July 19, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
some bitcoin sites are already blocked at various businesses.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: bluefirecorp on July 19, 2011, 09:21:49 PM
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.

If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.

Simple to track the addresses/generated money. Just black list the coins that are generated via botnets -- pretty simple actually.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: rebuilder on July 19, 2011, 09:26:20 PM

Simple to track the addresses/generated money. Just black list the coins that are generated via botnets -- pretty simple actually.

How would you detect coins generated by botnets? And if you could do that, how would you detect them fast enough to blacklist them before they get sold off to someone completely unrelated to the botnet operation?


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: tvbcof on July 19, 2011, 09:46:07 PM
I'm not so sure about virus scanners.  My experience with them is that having them is usually worse than having a virus.  I have need to run Windows on one old machine for work reasons (because retards make systems which only work with IE...and even then only on occasion) and I simply don't bother with virus scanners.  I use mild caution about what I install and where it came from, and if I have picked up any viruses or whatever, I've not discovered them yet.  Cygwin makes the machine actually useful for real things...mostly ssh-ing into a real machine.

(My virus discover technique involves sniffing traffic at my packet filter.  I can see my girlfriends computer is loaded with something(s) interacting with machines in China all the time.  And she has various anti-virus software on a very new and powerful but also very slow machine which is quite aggravating to use.)


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: TiagoTiago on July 19, 2011, 10:07:50 PM
...

(My virus discover technique involves sniffing traffic at my packet filter.  I can see my girlfriends computer is loaded with something(s) interacting with machines in China all the time.  And she has various anti-virus software on a very new and powerful but also very slow machine which is quite aggravating to use.)



Shhhh, she's a Chinese spy!!! .


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on July 19, 2011, 10:21:26 PM
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.

If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.

If the bitcoin community as a whole doesn't stamp out people using bitcoin to power and spread botnets for profit then someone else will, and people won't look too kindly at bitcoin over it, is the point I'm trying to get at.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: BitOffer on July 19, 2011, 11:31:10 PM
You're never going to be able and get a step ahead of the hackers. If the government can't do it it's not worth trying, too many variables. A police station for bitcoin just to make people feel safer is stupid. It's not going to stop them from stealing. Let people be who they are, if they are criminals, at least we can talk with them and understand why they do what they do. A police for bitcoin would just make them never show their heads. If you really want to get philosophical, let's answer the question of why someone needs to steal in the first place(rhetorical question).

These kind of problems are the ones that need to be solved if bitcoin is going to go mainstream. Nobody thought this was going to be easy. For a community of computer savvy individuals, viruses will not be a problem, but for main streamers it would be detrimental.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: error on July 20, 2011, 12:01:16 AM
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.

If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.

If the bitcoin community as a whole doesn't stamp out people using bitcoin to power and spread botnets for profit then someone else will, and people won't look too kindly at bitcoin over it, is the point I'm trying to get at.

And how do you propose that be done?


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 22, 2011, 05:01:01 PM

So, you will just be fixing it all the time? LOL


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: error on July 22, 2011, 05:33:50 PM

Nice troll there.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: Raoul Duke on July 22, 2011, 05:47:00 PM

Yes, guilty as charged.
Look, i own several servers that run linux, and no way i would use windows to host websites.
I was trolling, but so was the user who posted the image.

Now more on-topic:
People need to understand that Linux or Mac are not what will keep their computers un-compromised.
Only good judgement and rationality can do that.
I had an IT teacher that once told me: "There is no anti-virus against human stupidity" and he was damn right.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: onesalt on August 25, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
hey, idiots that laughed at this, MSE and a couple of other AV companies now flag bitcoin clients as potentially maliscious but whatever clearly I'm a troll or something.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: evolve on August 25, 2011, 08:14:05 PM
no. to be blunt, you got jumped on for making a pointless thread.

everyone here knows viruses exist and should know how to prevent getting them. 

however, running around screaming "OMFG A VIRUS WE NEED TO STOP IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!" doesnt help the situation at all.  you cant do anything to stop viruses and botnets outside of securing your own computer.

people have told you that for 3 pages now.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: mute20 on August 25, 2011, 09:09:43 PM
Viruses have been made for all sorts of reasons. Bitcoins is no exception. Just like the mac viruses bitcoin's is becoming more mainstream enough to be a big target.


Title: Re: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses?
Post by: legkodymov on August 25, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Who the D*CK let Windows defend your money? Are you crazy???
Put your leather wallet near the glass window on the sill, how much time it will stay there?
Why not use SAFE place for bitcoins?