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I am of the ideological belief that taxation is theft, so I am providing this service which allows people to skip capital gains tax altogether.

If you live in a country where citizens are charged tax regardless of location (such as the US) then do not use this service, as it will be a FELONY and is known as TAX FRAUD. This service is only for citizens of countries that allow this to take place.

If you have crypto to liquidate, I will do it for you. This can be done safely (we can use an escrow) and it will be at any price point that you please. Afterwards, I will send your funds back to you (via PayPal, TransferWise, Western Union, etc.) and you can claim it as a gift, income, etc. on your records, if need be.

This works for me because I live in a country where there is no capital gains tax.

Fee: 25% of your tax savings

(aka if you save $10,000 altogether, I will charge $2,500 for this service)

Skype - live:aliaarmelle

You say you want people to stop paying tax on cryptocurrency,but on the other side you offer your service with fee of 25% which is in most cases more than people would pay if they just cash out on their bank accounts and pay tax in their countries.

For me this makes sense only in the case that tax on cryptocurrency in user country is more then 25%.Also when you transfer fiat to Western Union or any bank account most of users will still need to explain from where is money coming since tax services follow all such activities.

Bitcoin is not created to make the alligators rich, but to bypass them. The aim of Satoshi Nakamoto is to help people to remove the need of having a 3rd party group to make a direct transactions of money. Why Tax crypto? Its very volatile. So they want to tax it? Its a very bad idea.

No you do not have such belief! You are charging 25% which is quite higher than what I would even pay in taxes over here which is just 10%! Not mentioning the hassles of receiving my money with western union or paypal.

After reading above comments it shows that how much lack of knowledge users are having as they are not able to see that OP is Charging 25% on the TAX saved and not on the whole capital gain.

I think OP is helping others to avoid tax. That it is not good as if your country is charging tax means that your trading and all transactions are legal and you are doing legal job so it is better to pay proper tax and be a good citizen of concerned country. As what TAX you are going to pay will be used to develop the country.

'A fool and his money are soon parted'

Don't send your hard earned money to some stranger on the Interwebs just to save a few bucks.

I believe it will be easier to pay your share of taxes than have to explain why do you have an anon friend sending you so much money as gift, although I don't believe you'll see any money back. :D

Just on a basic take of the law in most countries, if you actively avoid tax its even worse then 'forgetting' to pay it.  Its basically something they'll come after you with criminal charges, having someone handle the cash out for you wouldnt work as far as being legal.
It also involves a ton of trust and unfortunately you are new to the forum.  Maybe its a great idea but perhaps team up with people who regularly engage in escrow services on this forum for many years

LOL, everyone is into evading taxes. If you can earn 10x, 100x return on your investment in cryptos then why the hesitation to pay taxes. I know tax money is wasted a lot, but not paying taxes altogether is not the solution. If you are rich, just pay your taxes and be  in a safe zone.
*OP not trying to belittle your service, just my POV. Of course, most crypto investors would like such kind of services, if they can avoid big amount of taxes without getting into trouble.

"Taxation is Theft - Stop paying crypto taxes today!" -- SHE DID IT ,SHE SAVED THE COMMUNITY FROM THE ABYSS OF TAX MONSTERS !
Kind of idiots I come across the forum nowadays...
They way I interpret this shit : Don't pay taxes because government is filling their pockets instead pay them to me in a much lesser volume.Basically,a legend said

Warning : Deal with jerks at your own risk.She is verified by theymos on a reddit page and that doesn't mean your money is safe in her hands.

It makes great ideological sense to refuse paying taxes.

A person should have the freedom to opt out of at least some government services. If a man is strong enough and has robust sources of income, he might be in need of absolutely 0 public services. He doesn't need the police or the army, he can protect himself.
He has private health insurance, doesn't need welfare.
He already pays for electricity, utilities and energy, that's no question.
Everything else is based on private contracts, so why should this man pay any tax whatsoever, to sponsor some vulnerable women and their unaccounted for offspring?..  which by the way is basically why ideologies like feminism have taken such strong hold in modern culture, to redistribute wealth from capable men back to the state and the ruling elite...

As for charity, donations and philanthropy, that's absolutely great, but these can already happen voluntarily independent of tax laws.

As one exception to this rule, ok we can add a few select government services that are for the universal good, like technological & medical research, and maybe military can be based on tax income. A free human being should have the right to opt out of all the rest of his tax burdens...

I am no feminist. In fact, I oppose radical feminism, but do you know that you are sounding a lot like an incredibly sexist woman hater? I have a problem with the term "capable men" and then essentially comparing it to what sounded like 'incapable women'.
So not only are you a sexist caveman. You're a bigot as well.

If someone is born poor, does that mean they instantly get classified as 'incapable women'? Do you realize you're actually responding to a cam girl's post? With a signature on? Essentially a "capable man" is earning on the back of a supposedly 'incapable (virtual) prostitute".

@OP If you take offence then you should not be online. I am not defending you, neither am I offending you. Use your third orb. Besides, I do not see the usefulness of this post. No one would trust you with so much money to save a few hundred bucks in tax only to lose it gateway fees to paypal and it's intermediaries. And people with that kind of money have other avenues to save taxes - much better than paying a cam girl.

socially domesticated "politically correct" guys like you are the foot soldiers of feminist ideology, whether you are aware of it or not...

If you can detach yourself from the emasculating social programming you incurred since birth, no doubt in a western state, and pause and reflect for about 5 minutes on the state of affairs in the modern world, you would undeniably agree that government spending is extremely skewed towards and greatly favoring women. You can even check the statistics right away; staggering majority of law enforcement and legal services are used to penalize men, to strip them of their finances and freedom with extreme prejudice. And as a taxpayer you are expected to meekly and willingly prefinance this oppressive state of affairs, where men have become de facto 2nd class citizens.

"Why" you might ask is this so, does the government and the ruling elite love women so much ? Not necessarily but history has proven time and again that women redistribute wealth back to the state very fast, for many reasons, thereby guaranteeing a functional economy, based on fast consumption and the continued exploitation of the talents, intellect and labor of men.

In fact many would argue this is one of the primary reasons that led to crypto currencies appearing on the world stage, to liberate the individual against the states and their numerous crooked, oppressive institutions.

You misread.

Let's say that a tax in a country is 25%, and someone wishes to liquidate $100,000.

I will do that for them. Now, let's say that after transfer fees and whatnot, they receive a total of $95,000. After tax, they should have received $75,000, but they are getting $95,000. Their tax savings are $20,000 and my fee will be $5,000. Is that enough for you to understand? I do not take 25% of the value, but 25% of the savings.

This is not for tax evasion. If using this service is illegal in your country, then do not use it. It is only for citizens of countries that allow this.

And for those of you posting scam warnings, shut the fuck up, go find an escrow, and then let's deal. ;)

Those in the US would be best advised to go with a professional, but obviously not until money has been lost or made as a result of converting to USD.

This is not for US citizens - they are doomed to lose most of their profit to tax.

Why as a citizen of the country you would not like your country to develop and with this types of tax evasion if it happens and if everyone  started  to do like this then how will government get revenue and the development happens in the country ?

And if you are caught you end up with a lot of trouble as well .

One girl and a handful of people looking to save on crypto gains will not bring down the government. And, this is only for people where doing so is LEGAL and thus nobody is getting into trouble for/from this.

how could you say it's not tax evasion? can you name a country that doesn't impose tax on "realized" capital gains
if there is country that say this isn't illegal, that country probably doesn't tax its citizen hence this service won't be needed

if "someone wishes to liquidate $100,000" he doesn't have to pay tax on that but only on its capital gains
if he invested $40,000 on BTC and sold it for $100,000 later, it's only taxable on the $60,000
and if that person uses your service for saving tax on the taxable $60,000
he still has to explain where that ~$60k (minus fee etc) comes from
and eventually he will get audited and deemed as tax evader or negligent and must pay tax + fine

The $60,000 you speak of can be wired over via Western Union, Moneygram, Skrill, PayPal, cash, so on and so forth, and can also be claimed as a gift or income (if at all reported on a tax sheet). If you do not intend to use this service, please stay away. It is up to the customer to know the laws of their country, and they should only use this service if it is not illegal in their jurisdiction.

Yes,I did not read correctly what you wrote,it is enough for me to understand.

Problem for you is how you will determine what is capital gain of your users and how much tax he/she should pay to get your 25%.Also as I say there is big problem when you convert BTC to fiat and send by any way to someone.It is very easy for authorities to track such transactions.

I live in EU and every transaction I made incoming / outgoing is visible to my tax office.So your service is not for USA citizens,but also it will not work for most of European countries.

Anyway every service has potential customers,I do not condemn anyone in advance and everyone is free to use his money as he wants.

In her other thread she has deleted my post.



If you want to trade with this person, you should be VERY CAREFUL!
An explanation can be found in this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.msg31186468#msg31186468

But why trust you?
Why pay you?
Why not invest in tax saving schemes instead? With trustworthy parties?
What skills do you bring? other putting on a decent camshow?

You're asking for a lot of fees, something that can be done far cheaper, legally irrespective of the country one lives in. But I repeat, WHY TRUST YOU? Because Theymos verified that you have mammary glands on reddit?

Sup, mdayonliner. Unfortunately I can't protect people from viewing your stupidity on this thread - so come one, come all, take a look at how this kid makes a fool of himself in public!

Incentives.

If it is cheaper to do it through me, people will do it. Using a safe escrow. If it is cheaper to do it elsewhere, people will do it elsewhere. Hopefully that's not too hard of a concept for your mind to comprehend.

Unfortunately you are right, its not a good idea to try avoid this when we live in a time of terrorist funding and so on.   Carefull who you associate with.   Taxes should not be this oppressive but thats a case for democracy to counter.  When we live with governments in so much debt there is unlikely to be any other outcome but endless taxation through every route they can possibly get away with burdening their populations with.

Only one hundred years ago the USA did not have taxes but they required them to pay for World War 1 and the aftermath of that and its never gone away since.   US Federal reserve was set up in 1913 for similar reasons to place money in the control of a central body rather purely distributed by people and private companies.    This money printing going on is a form of taxation, its similar but not as extreme as demostrated by the Bitconnect format where value eventually collapses.

This form of inflation tax can be avoided and its why crypto makes sense to utilise as much as possible.  But the overt taxes be careful, in theory you can avoid but parts of government consider it treason to do so.   Consider the case of Irwin Schiff  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff)who testified before the senate in the 1970's about the gold standard before dying in recent years handcuffed chained to a bed going blind suffering from cancer, his crime was to dispute the idea of taxation on a federal level and they him treated worse then many murderers for it :(   May he RIP


https://i.imgur.com/Z6H6qjb.jpg

Written in prison

Tax should be paid by anyone in the whole world, but exempting is not allowed. Although these ICO's really verify KYC's and do they have a real life in world?

You are right most people here do believe the overall percentage deduction on its capital gain which is not. It is only on the TAX saved portion but yet even though this service isnt really convincing at all.I would rather pay up and willing to give tax since as a citizen its our responsibility to these matters and i wont really risk money and making transactions into another anonymous guy in the net. Risk of being scammed will be there.Instead you saved up you might end up on regretting.

Just so you know, this doesn't really make a difference. Let's say I sent my bitcoin to someone who lived in a country with capital gains tax, and they sold them -- they wouldn't need to pay capital gains tax either, because they haven't made any capital gains.

So really, the service you are offering is pretty generic money laundering (you obfuscate the source of someones money, so they can get away without paying tax). Which I won't judge on it's ethics, but you should be aware it puts both you and your customers at massive risk (with penalties that frequently involve prison).

But besides, I also think this is a pretty foolish way to do tax evasion. Let's say I have a small amount of capital gains tax I want to brazenly avoid paying, I think it'd be a lot better to just find someone on localbitcoin and do an OTC trade. If the tax office ever found out and believed you didn't do it intentionally, you would probably just have to pay back taxes and penalties. But if someone used a service that is marketed explicitly for tax-evasion, then ... ouch.

And for larger amounts of money, it would be crazy to take all that risk to just avoid tax. If it's pure capital gains you're talking about, seems like it would be pretty straight forward and legal to just relocate to a country without such tax.

 

Watch it kid! My mind can comprehend things that yours hasn't even begun to fathom. If you want to trade on this forum you better play docile and be open towards criticism, else it wouldn't be too long before you step on the foot of a wrong person.

Just because a noob comes online and claims that they can provide thousands of dollars in savings while exchanging millions, then there will be questions and eyebrows raised. People would want to avoid losing money, yes, but they'd also avoid trusting someone who can't be trusted.

Lastly, get off your high horse, you give a rat's ass about taxation, all you want to do is make money.

Well said.

Welp. That changes things. Looks like this whole thread is illegal! I'm shutting down operations with current clients and am locking this thread, thanks RHavar.