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Title: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Cryptoman on January 31, 2011, 09:15:46 PM
Last trade 0.95 USD.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Garrett Burgwardt on January 31, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
Wow! I saw this when I came home. Someone must have decided to just buy all they could  :D

This can only be good for the bitcoin economy, yes?

Anyway, I hope prices stay this high  ;D


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: ribuck on January 31, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
There weren't many coins on offer between 0.51 and 0.95, so I think it's a bit early to break out the parity champagne quite yet.

[edit: if someone buys 691 coins now, it will take the MtGox price up to $1.25]


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: rebuilder on January 31, 2011, 09:20:06 PM
Something weird about that, though... Look at the depth of market. No bids shown... Or is there a cut-off below which bids aren't displayed?


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: jimbobway on January 31, 2011, 09:21:57 PM
Something weird about that, though... Look at the depth of market. No bids shown... Or is there a cut-off below which bids aren't displayed?

Seems like a Mt. Gox bug.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: ribuck on January 31, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Or is there a cut-off below which bids aren't displayed?
Yes, there is a cutoff, somewhere around two-thirds of the last trade price.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Mike Hearn on January 31, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
It's not good for the BitCoin economy. It makes it obvious that BitCoin is not really a stable currency and that single actors can significantly move the market. Wild, unpredictable fluctuations in exchange rate make business hard and make BitCoin seem flaky.

What we really need to be measuring is the GDP of the BitCoin economy, but that's hard to figure out as we don't really know which transactions in the block chain represent "real" trade and which are simply moving or consolidating coins. It'd be nice if there was some kind of way people could voluntarily mark transactions as "real" by some informal definition so we could estimate the GDP of the economy.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: cryptofo on January 31, 2011, 09:27:43 PM
900+!!!


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: ribuck on January 31, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
I've been watching the "Asks" coming back, trickling in and gradually bringing the lowest offer back down from 0.95 to 0.64 and still dropping. I guess it will end up close to 0.50 again. I wonder if most of these are automatically or manually generated.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Cryptoman on January 31, 2011, 10:16:44 PM
Were any other accounts compromised?


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: pc on February 01, 2011, 02:23:07 AM
I was wondering if there might be some manipulation of Mt. Gox prices today since it's the day that counts for the end-of-January bets that were placed on BitcoinSportsBook by the end of December. Someone could perhaps even play both sides of a trade at a particular volume to try to influence the "official" number of what the end-of-month value was.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: kiba on February 01, 2011, 02:26:42 AM
I was wondering if there might be some manipulation of Mt. Gox prices today since it's the day that counts for the end-of-January bets that were placed on BitcoinSportsBook by the end of December. Someone could perhaps even play both sides of a trade at a particular volume to try to influence the "official" number of what the end-of-month value was.

Could be. Could not be. Who knows?


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: nelisky on February 01, 2011, 02:34:47 AM
I was wondering if there might be some manipulation of Mt. Gox prices today since it's the day that counts for the end-of-January bets that were placed on BitcoinSportsBook by the end of December. Someone could perhaps even play both sides of a trade at a particular volume to try to influence the "official" number of what the end-of-month value was.

Could be. Could not be. Who knows?

Well, if that is so, that someone would have probably lost a fair amount of coins in the process, I guess. The .4 bet was already 'in the bag', and the total over .5 pot amount to 450 coins, give or take. Assuming that more than one person has placed bets, the potential gain is relatively small.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: fabianhjr on February 01, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
BTC just increased in value by +50% now it is at around 0.85 USD per BTC. OMG, S3052, you were right, parity is pretty damn close. D:<


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Timo Y on February 01, 2011, 07:28:59 PM
It's not good for the BitCoin economy. It makes it obvious that BitCoin is not really a stable currency and that single actors can significantly move the market. Wild, unpredictable fluctuations in exchange rate make business hard and make BitCoin seem flaky.

If Bitcoin is successful and there is adoption by millions of users, a huge increase in value, perhaps 1000-fold, is unavoidable.

Such a strong rally is desirable for a fixed supply currency because it indicates increase in adoption.

Also, the higher the value, the more difficult it becomes for a single actor to move the market.

As for wild, unpredictable fluctuations, this can be solved trivially with currency hedging and futures trading. Some are working on offering these services. Just give it some time. It's still early days.



 


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: alkor on February 01, 2011, 08:44:46 PM
What are the reasons for this scarcity in bitcoins for the past couple of days? If one looks at the orderbook for Mt. Gox http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html (http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html), it appears that there are very few bitcoins available for sale. Only a couple of days ago the market was full of bitcoins.

This sudden spike in prices is just completely irrational. What specific even was the trigger for such a dramatic increase in demand?  Did some oil producing country start selling its oil in bitcoins suddenly?



Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: fabianhjr on February 01, 2011, 08:57:45 PM
No, maybe a rich kid wanted to get his hand into some goodies offered here. He might had just buy a lot(Like 10K USD) and the price spiked. It is going to fall under 0.65 soon. xD


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: kiba on February 01, 2011, 09:03:16 PM
No, maybe a rich kid wanted to get his hand into some goodies offered here. He might had just buy a lot(Like 10K USD) and the price spiked. It is going to fall under 0.65 soon. xD

It can easily fall to .55 because the bid volume above that is not very high.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Babylon on February 01, 2011, 09:06:10 PM
What are the reasons for this scarcity in bitcoins for the past couple of days? If one looks at the orderbook for Mt. Gox http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html (http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html), it appears that there are very few bitcoins available for sale. Only a couple of days ago the market was full of bitcoins.

This sudden spike in prices is just completely irrational. What specific even was the trigger for such a dramatic increase in demand?  Did some oil producing country start selling its oil in bitcoins suddenly?



Actually, at the moment on MTGox there are several thousand bitcoins available for sale.  However the vast majority of them are selling for $1


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: ribuck on February 01, 2011, 09:10:35 PM
No, maybe a rich kid wanted to get his hand into some goodies offered here. He might had just buy a lot(Like 10K USD) and the price spiked.

Rich kids are going to buy much more than 10k from MtGox. You'll know about it then!


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Ricochet on February 01, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
I'm getting a bit scared actually.  While I'm happy to see my initial investment from a month ago increase so much in value, I can't help but think that this is a bubble, given just how quickly it's more than doubled in price.  Ah well, in the end I suppose I didn't buy them as a get-rich-quick scheme so it's not really all that important.  Just would be a shame to have to say "I should have sold when they were worth something."


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: S3052 on February 01, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
Only when most people do NOT think it is a bubble, then prices may correct.
This is the truth behind market sentiment.


As long as so many people here write about bubbles, we are far from a (temporary) peak.
Nothing in principle stops bitcoins to reach 1 $, 10$ 100 $ as long as we see this increasing fund inflow.

Just my tiny pearls of wisdom.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Ricochet on February 01, 2011, 11:13:29 PM
I'm getting a bit scared actually.  While I'm happy to see my initial investment from a month ago increase so much in value, I can't help but think that this is a bubble, given just how quickly it's more than doubled in price.  Ah well, in the end I suppose I didn't buy them as a get-rich-quick scheme so it's not really all that important.  Just would be a shame to have to say "I should have sold when they were worth something."

People have been saying bubble back since a bitcoin was worth a penny. If the community and user base keeps growing, this surely isn't a bubble.

If everyone loses interest, you can be sure that values would decline.
Like I said, I'm only concerned because of the sheer speed that it's been rising lately.  If the user base is truly expanding at the same rate, then all is well and my concerns are unfounded.


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: ribuck on February 09, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
$1.00 trade at MtGox! We have touched parity!


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: Cryptoman on February 09, 2011, 08:39:22 PM
This is epic!


Title: Re: Near dollar parity on MtGox
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on February 09, 2011, 08:48:51 PM

You boyz look like you got yourselves a live one ....  8)

There is massive dam full of fiat currencies stocked up in places like Switzerland, Panama, Cayman Islands, Singapore, etc, that is desperate to be able to move anonymously. If it becomes convinced bitcoin or similar crypto-currencies can do this for it ... well you get the picture, it could easily spell the end of traceable national fiat digital currencies. Wrap you head around what that means for bitcoin values. Anybody have a swiss franc to bitcoin exchange up and running? ...  ;)