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Title: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: monbux on October 07, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
The US government closed down a few days ago, in order to save money or something.  I'm not a big fan of politics, but I know some people are, so what are your thoughts about this?

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20758038-shutdown-begins-as-congress-remains-deadlocked?lite

Corrupt, Corrupt, Corrupt.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: pedrog on October 07, 2013, 08:48:30 PM
Republicans are afraid Obama Care may be a good thing so they shutdown everything because they want something too.

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“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/here-is-the-short-gop-quote-that-perfectly-defines-the-shutdown/280220/


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: dragonkid on October 07, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
The US government closed down a few days ago, in order to save money or something.  I'm not a big fan of politics, but I know some people are, so what are your thoughts about this?

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20758038-shutdown-begins-as-congress-remains-deadlocked?lite

Corrupt, Corrupt, Corrupt.

I actually find this quit funny, supposedly USA is the world's most powerful and rich country in the world. And the government need to closed down to save money.  :D


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: cp1 on October 07, 2013, 08:57:25 PM
They didn't do it to save money.  Slightly less than 50% of the country doesn't want poor people to have health care, so they shut the government down to try and stop it.  Surprisingly, there are a lot of poor people in that group.  I'll never understand it.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Barnacle_Ed on October 07, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
The whole thing is, frankly, bloody stupid.


Like it or not, the ACA was signed into law and deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court. Stripping over 800,000 people of their jobs because you don't agree with it is dirty politics at best...and I'd hardly give the least-productive Congress in history the benefit of the doubt.

The worst part about it? Due to blatant, unchecked gerrymandering practices, those responsible for this debacle will likely continue to be re-elected despite their obvious employment of brinkmanship tactics to get what they want. So with the next big political posturing circlejerk just over two weeks away (not that it should even be an enormous affair in the first place, but I digress) I'm extremely concerned about what will happen next.



Almost makes me regret leaving Canada for this mess. Maybe Californians will come to their senses and vote to secede from the US before it's too late.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: x^2 on October 07, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
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Almost makes me regret leaving Canada for this mess. Maybe Californians will come to their senses and vote to secede from the US before it's too late.

Good idea!


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Elwar on October 08, 2013, 02:51:34 AM
If your local McDonalds closed the women's bathroom...would you say that McDonalds is shut down?

Less than 15% of the federal government is shut down.

Worst shutdown ever.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: cp1 on October 08, 2013, 03:48:17 AM
If your local McDonalds closed the women's bathroom...would you say that McDonalds is shut down?

Less than 15% of the federal government is shut down.

Worst shutdown ever.

If you worked at McDonalds and got furloughed you'd say they got shutdown.  Are you saying that just because you're not affected you don't care at all?  That 15% is still a huge amount of people that are affected.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on October 08, 2013, 05:05:35 AM
Yep that 15% is significant know some people who work in the government and they are now on a mandatory strike in essence.
No wages no income just waiting on the government to bring their jobs back.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Elwar on October 08, 2013, 06:39:24 AM
If your local McDonalds closed the women's bathroom...would you say that McDonalds is shut down?

Less than 15% of the federal government is shut down.

Worst shutdown ever.

If you worked at McDonalds and got furloughed you'd say they got shutdown.  Are you saying that just because you're not affected you don't care at all?  That 15% is still a huge amount of people that are affected.

If I worked at McDonalds and I was the only one out of 10 people not working, I would not say that McDonalds is shut down. Nor would any of the customers.

Especially if I was one of the useless workers (like the ones that were furloughed).


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on October 08, 2013, 06:59:19 AM
A Senator Gets Mad About The Shutdown And Starts Naming Names. About Time.

http://www.upworthy.com/a-senator-gets-mad-about-the-shutdown-and-starts-naming-names-about-time?g=2&c=ufb1


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: TheButterZone on October 08, 2013, 07:52:40 AM
Hopefully a bunch of people are keeping track of exactly what's getting shut down and what isn't. The big picture as I see it is that 1) some non-essential parts or subparts of government like the FCC are shut down passively 2) some non-essential parts of government like public land and memorials are actively, unnecessarily shut down BY PAYING MORE MONEY (for men with guns, barricades, moving equipment rental, etc) 3) parts of the government necessary to preserve life and property like federal civilian firefighters and nationwide kidnapping trackers (kidnapping is often across state lines, and a federal offense investigated by the FBI) are unpaid and shut down, respectively.

Anyone who admits to 2 and 3 should be unsurprised when people call for the abolition of government and replacement of it with private enterprise.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: MerchantMiner on October 08, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Breaking News On US ShutDown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgA9j-4dB0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgA9j-4dB0)



Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: pedrog on October 08, 2013, 12:53:30 PM
If your local McDonalds closed the women's bathroom...would you say that McDonalds is shut down?

Less than 15% of the federal government is shut down.

Worst shutdown ever.

If you worked at McDonalds and got furloughed you'd say they got shutdown.  Are you saying that just because you're not affected you don't care at all?  That 15% is still a huge amount of people that are affected.

If I worked at McDonalds and I was the only one out of 10 people not working, I would not say that McDonalds is shut down. Nor would any of the customers.

Especially if I was one of the useless workers (like the ones that were furloughed).

Are NASA and FEMA useless?


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Severian on October 08, 2013, 01:01:10 PM

Are NASA and FEMA useless?

NASA has actually produced results and technology. FEMA just produces jobs for Federal contracters.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: pedrog on October 08, 2013, 01:24:13 PM

Are NASA and FEMA useless?

NASA has actually produced results and technology. FEMA just produces jobs for Federal contracters.

Are you from New Jersey?


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Severian on October 08, 2013, 01:25:55 PM
Are you from New Jersey?

I've been there. Once.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: fattypig on October 08, 2013, 01:34:05 PM
Cannot believe this is happening, keeping Bitcoin feels more secure then keeping USD.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: pedrog on October 08, 2013, 01:52:51 PM
Are you from New Jersey?

I've been there. Once.

People from NJ may have a different opinion about FEMA.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: cp1 on October 08, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Don't forget NOAA, EPA, and NSF.  All the discretionary funding is some of the most important money we spend.  And it's the most vulnerable.  Who knows why?  Oh I know it's because people like you don't think it affects you if our science research comes to a screeching halt.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Chucksta on October 09, 2013, 07:50:17 AM
The people behind this shutdown should be declared traitors and locked up. All they are doing is aiding the Chinese in their steady takeover of the western businesses.

Hell, they might as well all start speaking Mandarin and get used to a communist-capitalist lifestyle.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Kluge on October 09, 2013, 08:59:51 AM
Worst part about all this may end up being widespread shutdowns in the private sector (from the auto to pharma industry, and plenty in between). Regulatory agencies have funds to continue critical certification services. They had time to come up with plans to deal with funding deferment, but many didn't (instead opting to "go on strike"). Private companies required to go through certification processes the government refuses to provide will eventually have to start furloughs of their own if a solution isn't found fairly soon. Car companies are going to be sitting on piled-up 2014 inventory if it keeps on, since they need EPA certifications. The execs of JIT factories must be jumping up and down while screaming in panic. :D


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: pedrog on October 09, 2013, 01:32:47 PM
People from NJ may have a different opinion about FEMA.

Um why? They are useless. I saw a FEMA person 2 weeks after Sandy, asking if we're ok?

2 weeks? LOL.


Chris Christie said nice things.


Is the SEC closed also? That would be great!


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: monbux on October 09, 2013, 10:22:25 PM
Republicans are afraid Obama Care may be a good thing so they shutdown everything because they want something too.

Quote
“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/here-is-the-short-gop-quote-that-perfectly-defines-the-shutdown/280220/

Yeah, I've seen on the news, people are now doubting, insulting obama.  Is this the end of him as minister, next election?

Worst part about all this may end up being widespread shutdowns in the private sector (from the auto to pharma industry, and plenty in between). Regulatory agencies have funds to continue critical certification services. They had time to come up with plans to deal with funding deferment, but many didn't (instead opting to "go on strike"). Private companies required to go through certification processes the government refuses to provide will eventually have to start furloughs of their own if a solution isn't found fairly soon. Car companies are going to be sitting on piled-up 2014 inventory if it keeps on, since they need EPA certifications. The execs of JIT factories must be jumping up and down while screaming in panic. :D

That's a lot of bad shit.  Could the movie, "The Purge" come true? hehe.



Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: ronimacarroni on October 09, 2013, 10:58:34 PM
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waaa businesses that get government subsidies won't be able to function
Why are businesses getting government subsidies?
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waaa wallstreet will stop buying government bonds
GOOD
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waaa this will drop the confidence in the US dollar
Like helicopter Bernanke isn't doing that already
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waaa what about muh gubmit job
Your job is none essential and getting the axe.

Time to default on this bitch.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: RodeoX on October 11, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
http://s14.postimg.org/5cbmlq5ip/cry_baby_blog.jpg

Sad really. The republicans have become widdole babies.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on October 15, 2013, 08:20:25 PM
So think its going to open this week
News of debt defaulting in Globe and Mail


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: pedrog on October 16, 2013, 02:34:38 PM
Chris Christie said nice things.


Is the SEC closed also? That would be great!

I was in NY disaster zone. Well not super hard hit, if you don't count a lost a car and no electricity/heat for 2 weeks. FEMA guys showed right after I got heat/electricity. I was really like WTF guys, isn't that a little bit too late?

The only thing I care is really the default, after that we can write US off. Right now we're loosing jobs, which can be repaired with a "little" more cost (DoD contracts, etc)

Yah, I really don't know if those agencies are well managed and all that stuff, but I believe in strange things like our taxes should go into education, health, safety and a social security, I believe the way for a society to prosper is a healthy, well educated and without fear of being homeless in the next week population, so I tend to overreacted when I see/hear comments from people that think the "law of the jungle" should be our way of life, but like I said, I believe in strange things.


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: AU on October 16, 2013, 02:40:51 PM
Just shut it down... Some of the fucks I see running around need a quality "wake up call"

Let the chaos begin!


Title: Re: What are your thoughts for the US government temp. closing?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on October 16, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
Chaos! Revolution! Invade! XD
(Mad scientist)