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This is quite interesting how the EU are doing it. They are making out as though they are just wanting to step in and regulate crowdfunding websites but if you dig a bit deeper it actually shows they want to regulate anything where finance is being raised. This would greatly change the face of Crypto EU wide.

http://learnccrb.com/2018/03/eu-wants-to-regulate-fintech-including-blockchain/ (http://learnccrb.com/2018/03/eu-wants-to-regulate-fintech-including-blockchain/)

There's nothing interesting about it. All States fear an uncontrolled crowdfunding market. This can significantly change the world order. If before the inventor invented the engine for the car that runs on water. For the production of such engines need to be certified and build a plant. A lot of money. Where to take them? Corporations are buying the rights to these inventions and destroy them. Why do they need additional costs? Crowdfunding allows you to find such money from ordinary people from around the world. That's what they fear.

Eventually we know its going to happen and they are not to be blamed even though they are the are doing this for their own selfish interest based on the quest to control virtually everything of human lives. The major and minor players are also not helping matters which then justify the reason for their own actions.

For the major players they make money not because they are intelligent but because they are smart which is not bad on it's own but flaunting it all over makes those who work smarter lazy set of people then government will find an excuse to enter the market in other to maintain social order.

To the players that are morally bankrupt, they decide to use the community as a way to get rich quick by scamming people of their resources and hiding under the anonymity factor which is being exploited while others use it as a means to fund a nonexistent project in form of ICOs and a whole lot of anomaly in the system. How won't government set in.

If there’s blood the leeches follow. Where’s money, the government regulates it. There are mandated by the people that they represent to do it, self interest or not, we are obliged or the members of eu and it’s people have to abide by it. If the counsel feels the need for regulation for security and progress of its financial responsibility then they have to. For what extent, leave the privacy of each crypto user secure.

The reality is that the power to regulate really belong to the state not unless we start a good revolution that can overthrow the government and which I know nobody does really care about it. Cryptocurrency will be facing the regulatory power of the government otherwise the other option is what China did last year. However, am still enthusiastic that after all the dust is settled cryptocurrency will survive and flourish under the new environment established by the government. We can use the framework of regulations as a vehicle to bring the cryptocurrency into the future and from there on argue for its deregulation.

It all depends on our actions. Many users are ready to bow to governments to approve the use of cryptocurrencies. They are ready for everything in order to get free access Fiat. How can you make a revolution with such moods? It may take a long time for consensus to exist within the community. People need to understand that if we defend our freedom, life will be better. Killing bitcoin is easy but it will be very difficult to restore trust in it.

Regulation can also have a negative impact on cryptomarket specially when the regulating body against cryptocurrency, and don’t implement the regulation well. Although this is a good move by bigger counties but I do hope for more transfarent regulations.

The EU is ready to regulate cryptocurrency if the risks from this sector are not addressed at the global level. The doubling of global investment in bitcoin and other virtual currencies last year has seen wild eclipses in their valuations, generating many benefits for some investors while others have lost much.

How transparent do you need the regulations to be? It's clear already that everything they come up with in the coming years, will be something that plays out in their own advantage, and not the one from crypto.

The best possible execution of regulations is something we have seen happen in Japan. The only downside for investors is that in case their profits exceed $365,000 in their own currency, they'll be subject to a 55% tax rate.

It's insanely steep, but that hasn't scared off any investors at all based on how the demand and volumes there keep growing. Whatever we say or think about regulations, they'll be implemented anyway, so we better deal with it.

That's what a basic regulation does. EU is not doing anything differently. Every government wants to regulated anything where funds are being raised and also to increase the tax income. Also I wholeheartedly support if EU will bring some regulations on the ICOs. That is very much needed. Majority of the ICOS are scam and run by a college kind in disguise of a professional looking website. We need to cut such craps down from the crypto market to bring back the credibility. If the scammers can roam free, ICO market will soon become similar to HYIP market and the entire crypto currency industry will loose the faith of common investors like you and me.

Of course, they will need to regulate it. My fear is that as always they will do it in their favor.
I have nothing against paying taxes, but the EU will put its claws on its part.

These are just basic guidelines...Not the real crypto regulation. There are no Steps taken on ICO's or on crowdfunding. Most of the Scams are with ICO's so there should be some guidelines to stop Scam ICO's.

   Crowdfunding may be dangerous for governments no doubt, it may become a spawnhost of uncontrolled technologies and phenomenons. EU rushes to take it under control, wants to make crypto market clearly seen.
   Germany, as locomotive of EU, makes first step by confessing bitcoin as a mean of payment. However it will not be taxed for first time, but who knows maybe next step will be prohibition of anonimous transactions

The European Union, like other states, will in any case regulate the crypto currency. It's unavoidable. However, regulation can be different. Including brought to the point of absurdity. Recently, the German government stated that it recognizes crypto currency as a legitimate means of payment. This decision was made by implementing a specific decision of the European Court of Human Rights in 2015. Considering that for all states that signed the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of Man of 1950, a specific decision of the European Court is mandatory, that is, they are obliged to change their national legislation to the specific decisions of this court, I hope that all these states (and their 41 state) will make a similar decision. This decision of the European Court is also interesting because it obliges these states to levy taxes for converting the crypto currency into fiat and vice versa.

Germany a few days ago stated it is not going to tax when
used as a means of payment.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3047198.msg32251274#msg32251274

https://www.coindesk.com/germany-considers-crypto-legal-equivalent-to-fiat-for-tax-purposes/

I can imagine though that the EU will be looking to regulate
the industry in some way, it will be labelled as something
which will protect the general public.

There are other positive movements like Spain looking to
create a Crypto technology hub and attract Crypto business.

Yes, regulation is always best because there are many fake ICO's without any innovative they are launching, if they start legalising at least we can easily control those ICO and governments can easily secure the investors from those ICO's. This is the best major step governments should take because every ICO should follow their guidelines.

Regulations come in different forms and sizes. We are yet to clearly know what type of regulations would be put in place. If its the type that is geared at having the government control crypto totally, then I am not going to back that, and so will many in the crypto community - as this is one of the major reasons we currently support crypto. However, if it is regulations which is to stop scams with ICOs and ensure crowdfunding is going into legit projects and such, I think we should welcome this almost immediately. One of the negative things people bash bitcon and other crypto is the scam accusations, an they are legit.

The European Union is not a state. It's a UNION!


What does the Human Right have to do with crypto payments?
It was a decision from the European Union Court of Justice which involved VAT taxation!!!


Again , first it was signed in 1953, it has nothing to do with cryptos and it is not mandatory, any country can just leave the pact. Besides that is the European court, it has NOTHING to do with the European Union.


There are 28 states in the EU not 41.

Uhmm, I think you got it all wrong dude. Pending patents or majority of the intellectual properties of any citizens of that country needs to be protected by the state, and almost majority of  any countries' government  are required by their constitution to do so. And that includes funding the creator to its financial needs. Now in cryptocurrencies I don't think it will be supported by the government as its not considered as intellectual property.

I think this is not necessarily bad. Without decent regulation crypto cannot be fully accepted by governments and society. And usually the EU is pretty good at handling these kind of things.

The emergence of regulatory rules is a violation of the main property of cryptocurrencies. The main idea of creating a cryptocurrency was to provide people with a reliable currency in the free crypto economy. Any rules contradict this idea. People do not understand that after the surrender of a small part of their freedom, they will have to part with most of it. and it will continue until the complete loss of freedom.

Now it is too early to say that the EU is moving towards the recognition and regulation of the cryptocurrency. I think that in order to draw conclusions we need to wait for the official statement at the end of the G20 summit. Next week we will find out the prospects for the development of cryptocurrencies for this year. I think the General decision on this issue will not occur. Everything will remain as it is.

The EU still has 5 members in G20.
Two of them with enough power to turn the table if there would be a resolution, so they are not going to wait for a decision and then act, they have already a plan.

But the G20 is kind of meaningless because it has absolutely no way to enforce rules on a member state.
So, it's more talk than action.

And even in the case 4, 8 or 15 states from the EU will go with a plan, in order to impose a financial change that will affect the entire EU you don't need majority, you need consensus from all the countries or it will not be adopted.

All of us guess that someday it will happen in any case.

I have high hopes for Japan's position. If all countries do not reach consensus in establishing global rules for the use of bitcoins, the Japanese will have the right to introduce such rules unilaterally. I do not mind Japan becoming a world center of cryptocurrencies. The Internet provides an opportunity not to have a territorial binding. I don't care where the stock market is. It is important that she worked and I had no problems.

Anyone has the right to introduce whatever rules they want.
Even if a consensus is reached, anybody can just change their opinion the next day with no consequences.
Japan has already taking a stance and they've already classified BTC as a payment method. The US will probably continue to treat it in the future more like a commodity.
They will just present their opinion and hope the others will do the same.

But I'm almost willing to bet that nothing will come out of this meting. Nothing!
As I said it before, they have a lot of far bigger problems in their agenda, problems that also unfortunately can't be solved with just a meeting.

I read the article you shared and it seems to be a big "if". The even use this expression too many times, as well as "seems" and others like that. So it is difficult to look at it in a serious manner, for they even don't really explain what is this about.
This is the clearest part: “Today’s proposal will make it easier for these platforms to offer their services EU-wide and improve access to this innovative form of finance for businesses in need of funding. Once adopted by the European Parliament and the Council, the proposed Regulation will allow platforms to apply for an EU label based on a single set of rules.”, but, as you can see, this is only a proposal for the moment, and this is not near to be clear yet.

So do not rush into making an opinion. When I read those kinds of "maybe" news, I always prefer to wait before taking a side. Just for now. Wait and see.

It's going to be a disaster like most of the things that EU was trying to regulate. EU laws are much different from the local laws of member countries and that's why we're seeing some crazy loopholes and idiotic laws being established. Some examples? There's an EU directive that limits the CO2 emissions for all member countries, despite the fact that some of them are using coal to produce energy and others are using nuclear power that doesn't emit anything... Not to mention the recent migration crisis and the EU's attempt at pushing the migration laws despite the fact that they're compromising internal safety. It's just an example of how bad the EU is.

Or treat it as if we are still on the neutral side which I do see the best position as of now rather than on making opinions to those things which aren't still implemented or those are just projected plans ahead.Reading up above this wont really solve up in a single meeting.Just to be honest I'm not really get excited to these kind of news, adaptation or prohibition there are only two ways.