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Title: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cactus-pits on October 11, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
how about just investing in bitcoins and sitting on them...I know I'm a new b but I've been learning about this for the last month or so...I'm thinking of just taking all my spare money and buying every chance I get...any input is appreciated.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 11, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
how about just investing in bitcoins and sitting on them...I know I'm a new b but I've been learning about this for the last month or so...I'm thinking of just taking all my spare money and buying every chance I get...any input is appreciated.

That's what already some people including me do ^^
Well, not all my spare money though.
Make sure you know enough about how to not lose your coins when you put bigger amounts in it.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cactus-pits on October 11, 2013, 07:58:09 PM
thanks guys..Birdy, could you explain a tad but about that? or point me in a direction..?


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: dragonkid on October 11, 2013, 07:58:44 PM
Welcome, you should trade with Bitcoin with other AlterCoin. On mcxNOW, it is IMHO the best exchange for trading. You even get interest on your coins.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 11, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
thanks guys..Birdy, could you explain a tad but about that? or point me in a direction..?

Sure,
there are two things that make people lose their Btc often:
- loss of the private keys or password to a encrypted wallet / writing down the wrong password
To avoid those, you should have multiple backups (remember the private key is the key to your coins, so any backup will give access to the coins)

- theft most likely due to a trojan/keylogger on your pc or the use of an unsecure online platform

for smaller amounts or day.to.day use I would recommend the online-wallets blockchain.info or inputs.io
for bigger amounts I would recommend using either cold wallets or a paper wallets

Paper wallets are nothing more than the private key to an address written down or printed out on a piece of paper
Best is you don't use a paper wallet address twice

Cold wallets are the private keys (or collection of private keys from local clients like the wallet.dat from bitcoin-qt) saved on offline equipment
This may be an usb stick, a laptop or sd card (or whatever)
Very interesting is the possibility of the Armory Oflline Client that allows you to spend Bitcoin from an offline Pc/laptop



Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cactus-pits on October 11, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
wow..I have so much to learn and understand...


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 11, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
wow..I have so much to learn and understand...
yes indeed, but it's worth it ^^

Also avoid Altcoins, Bitcoin Mining equipment and Bitcoin securities (unless you really know what you are doing) , most of them are more of a gambling, short term profits, unprofitable or just plain scams.



Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: mekanical on October 11, 2013, 08:27:08 PM
Bitcoin is relatively volatile and risky in terms of investments.  If you want to used bitcoins as an investment i would suggest buying and holding them as an investment at just-dice (or somewhere similar) where you would earn some interest.  Though be very careful about where you hold your bitcoins if they are not just sitting in your wallet (and sometimes if they are......), get an understanding of the terms and conditions and know that the government has the power to tear down web domains and freeze company bank accounts in the name of justice if it deems something to be non-compliant.  I would be especially wary of bitcoin securities any complex investment schemes.  If you want a safer investment, try physical silver bullion, price is rather cheap right now.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 11, 2013, 08:34:50 PM
Bitcoin is relatively volatile and risky in terms of investments.  If you want to used bitcoins as an investment i would suggest buying and holding them as an investment at just-dice (or somewhere similar) where you would earn some interest.  Though be very careful about where you hold your bitcoins if they are not just sitting in your wallet (and sometimes if they are......), get an understanding of the terms and conditions and know that the government has the power to tear down web domains and freeze company bank accounts in the name of justice if it deems something to be non-compliant.  I would be especially wary of bitcoin securities any complex investment schemes.  If you want a safer investment, try physical silver bullion, price is rather cheap right now.

Holding them on just-dice is like gambling yourself for a long time with the 1% house edge on your side.
It's slightly more likely that you make a small profit, but you might also lose some.

Volatility doesn't matter that much if you hold the coins for a long time and are not in a hurry to sell.
Then you can sell at a time when they are up ^^


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: majorX on October 11, 2013, 08:46:22 PM
Bitcoin is relatively volatile and risky in terms of investments.  If you want to used bitcoins as an investment i would suggest buying and holding them as an investment at just-dice (or somewhere similar) where you would earn some interest.  Though be very careful about where you hold your bitcoins if they are not just sitting in your wallet (and sometimes if they are......), get an understanding of the terms and conditions and know that the government has the power to tear down web domains and freeze company bank accounts in the name of justice if it deems something to be non-compliant.  I would be especially wary of bitcoin securities any complex investment schemes.  If you want a safer investment, try physical silver bullion, price is rather cheap right now.

Holding them on just-dice is like gambling yourself for a long time with the 1% house edge on your side.


There is also possibility someone will steal site BTC, or the owner  will steal it. Too risky in my opinion


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: mekanical on October 11, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
Bitcoin is relatively volatile and risky in terms of investments.  If you want to used bitcoins as an investment i would suggest buying and holding them as an investment at just-dice (or somewhere similar) where you would earn some interest.  Though be very careful about where you hold your bitcoins if they are not just sitting in your wallet (and sometimes if they are......), get an understanding of the terms and conditions and know that the government has the power to tear down web domains and freeze company bank accounts in the name of justice if it deems something to be non-compliant.  I would be especially wary of bitcoin securities any complex investment schemes.  If you want a safer investment, try physical silver bullion, price is rather cheap right now.

Holding them on just-dice is like gambling yourself for a long time with the 1% house edge on your side.
It's slightly more likely that you make a small profit, but you might also lose some.

Volatility doesn't matter that much if you hold the coins for a long time and are not in a hurry to sell.
Then you can sell at a time when they are up ^^


True volatility is quite meaningless over the long term. 

I would add that the chances of losing $ on just-dice over a time period longer than a month are very slim to none.  1% is a small cut, but given the betting volume this becomes a relatively good investment.  You can estimate your profit as such:  Net Profit = (total amount bet)*0.01*0.9 * ((Your investment)/(Total Invested at site)).  This equation becomes more accurate with time, and I imagine it would be pretty dead on over the course of a year.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: knight22 on October 11, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
Keep an eye on upcoming hardware wallets like Trezor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122438.0
This might be the best way to store securely your bitcoin.

Here an advice: start with a small amount of bitcoin and play with it as much as you can transferring them and storing them in different ways. Making errors with small amounts is less frustrating if you ever lose them of get them stolen.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 11, 2013, 08:55:55 PM
There is also possibility someone will steal site BTC, or the owner  will steal it. Too risky in my opinion

Yes, I don't think it's a great investment (not the worst one though).
The owner is quite trusworthy, but this is like medium-low risk (some from 3rd party, some from house loss die to the low house edge) and low reward.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Welsh on October 11, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
What about investing in Bitcoin and not sitting on them and actually use them?


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: yvv on October 11, 2013, 09:08:40 PM
how about just investing in bitcoins and sitting on them...I know I'm a new b but I've been learning about this for the last month or so...I'm thinking of just taking all my spare money and buying every chance I get...any input is appreciated.

Invest in some production. Economy in your country is in deep shit no matter what country are you from. Directing investments into speculations instead of production sector is what hurts it.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: MoneyGod on October 11, 2013, 09:53:10 PM
you should trade with Bitcoin  On mcxNOW, it is IMHO the best exchange for trading.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: immortal4now on October 11, 2013, 10:01:07 PM
What about investing in Bitcoin and not sitting on them and actually use them?


Yes, part of your Bitcoins can be used for spending. It helps getting value of your saved Bitcoins


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 11, 2013, 10:03:39 PM
What about investing in Bitcoin and not sitting on them and actually use them?

What investments are you suggesting?
There are many traps in investing Bitcoins right now.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Welsh on October 11, 2013, 10:06:22 PM
What about investing in Bitcoin and not sitting on them and actually use them?


Yes, part of your Bitcoins can be used for spending. It helps getting value of your saved Bitcoins


Keeping Bitcoin in circulation also benefits people who are "Sitting" on their Bitcoin. But, having a savings cold wallet and a spending wallet is also good.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: fattypig on October 12, 2013, 02:27:35 AM
how about just investing in bitcoins and sitting on them...I know I'm a new b but I've been learning about this for the last month or so...I'm thinking of just taking all my spare money and buying every chance I get...any input is appreciated.

Yes, thats the way. The price going to sky rocket soon.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: pedrog on October 12, 2013, 02:34:04 AM
Don't buy everything right away, stay around, read a lot, take advantage of the price volatility, in a few weeks you might buy cheaper, and read a lot, some other altcoin might be a better investment on the short/medium term.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Shallow on October 12, 2013, 02:43:46 AM
Put your life savings in btc then bury your head in the sand for a year and hope for the best.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cactus-pits on October 12, 2013, 03:28:31 AM
Put your life savings in btc then bury your head in the sand for a year and hope for the best.

that's what I'm talking about ^^


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Zeek_W on October 12, 2013, 04:09:16 AM
You could try investing with CEX.io - you buy Gh/s on a hosted system, then can trade your Gh/s on their own market - I personally Mine and Trade on it. Makes for a fun, low cost and immediate results (no waiting for hardware, no setup, etc).

For example, now you can buy 1Gh/s for about 0.19 BTC and while it earns away (the pool Ghash.io seems to find blocks quickly - so your returns are fairly frequent from what I have seen) you can also have the Gh/s on the trade market. Rinse and Repeat.

This is my referral link:
https://cex.io/r/1/Zeek/0/ (https://cex.io/r/1/Zeek/0/)


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cowandtea on October 12, 2013, 06:19:56 AM
Buy Bitcoin to keep and don't touch it (just don't reformat your computer). Come back 5 years later and BAM!!!


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Zeek_W on October 12, 2013, 07:18:29 AM
Buy Bitcoin to keep and don't touch it (just don't reformat your computer). Come back 5 years later and BAM!!!

HAHA, that's pretty much what I did. Except I forgot I had BTC. A nice surprise indeed


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Zeek_W on October 12, 2013, 09:12:45 AM
Buy Bitcoin to keep and don't touch it (just don't reformat your computer). Come back 5 years later and BAM!!!

HAHA, that's pretty much what I did. Except I forgot I had BTC. A nice surprise indeed
and then comes that feeling to jump of a building..

How so? I made a tidy profit - although I wish I had my auto-trader running silently that whole time!


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: uininPeter on October 12, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Put your life savings in btc then bury your head in the sand for a year and hope for the best.

Nope, never put your life savings in btc, it is too risky.
Do it only with amount you dont mind to loose !


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: MakeBelieve on October 12, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
Ye never put your life savings into Bitcoiin. That would be silly. As it could go down as well as up.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Johnny Bitcoinseed on October 12, 2013, 12:03:58 PM
I recommend first paying off all debts, getting your financial house in order and all that.  Anything extra that you can afford to risk - put some into gold and silver (proven as stores of value for thousands of years), and some into bitcoin.  They key is to only invest as much as you can afford to loose.

If you want surefire investments, buy and store food, clothing, and other stuff you will use anyway.  The price of these will only rise and buying them now locks in the price.

Ultimately, bitcoin succeeds when it is spent and re-circulated through the market.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Keldel on October 12, 2013, 12:37:02 PM
Invest only in what you understand!

That being said.. The best thing you can do is understand bitcoin :)


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cactus-pits on October 12, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
this is all very interesting...


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: balanghai on October 12, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
Try your trading skills.

Mining is only good for free electricity or you got a wind or solar farm already.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: cactus-pits on October 12, 2013, 04:51:40 PM
I wish I new where to start...I need to find someone in my area I can talk to face to face..


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: thecoinjournal on October 12, 2013, 04:54:30 PM
I wish I new where to start...I need to find someone in my area I can talk to face to face..

If you are not in US, try to buy some stocks at bitfunder.com


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: vervolioman on October 12, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
Try your trading skills.


It is not easy and requires a lot of time. Not a investment by my understanding


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: pedrog on October 12, 2013, 08:47:45 PM
I wish I new where to start...I need to find someone in my area I can talk to face to face..

If you are not in US, try to buy some stocks at bitfunder.com

Careful with that, study very well the security before buying.


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: Birdy on October 12, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
Just want to repeat this, because there were so many "investing tips"

Also avoid Altcoins, Bitcoin Mining equipment and Bitcoin securities (unless you really know what you are doing) , most of them are more of a gambling, short term profits, unprofitable or just plain scams.

I agree with pedrog, be careful about that stuff


Title: Re: invest in bitcoins?
Post by: stromma44 on October 12, 2013, 09:51:33 PM
The truth is investing is risky, and worst thing is putting BTC to something you dont understand perfectly, or believing in promises