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Title: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: imanikin on February 02, 2011, 01:59:45 PM

Apologize if this has already been discussed here. ...couldn't find it.

Do you think it would help promote Bitcoin if we started writing www.bitcoin.org or something on fiat bills we have in our wallets and circulate in our respective countries? I mean just take a pencil and write that on the bills in our pockets...

Is writing on fiat bills illegal, or makes them worthless in Your country?


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2011, 02:08:02 PM

Apologize if this has already been discussed here. ...couldn't find it.

Do you think it would help promote Bitcoin if we started writing www.bitcoin.org or something on fiat bills we have in our wallets and circulate in our respective countries? I mean just take a pencil and write that on the bills in our pockets...

Is writing on fiat bills illegal, or makes them worthless in Your country?


get a bitcoin stamp made so your wrist doesnt get sore from all the scribbling .  ;)


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
that sounds like a pretty good idea actually!


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 03:37:34 PM

Using national currency notes for any kind of advertising is illegal in most countries.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 03:40:51 PM
Might still be a good idea since it isn't possible to prove that you're the one that stamped them


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Might still be a good idea since it isn't possible to prove that you're the one that stamped them

True.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 03:48:31 PM
Might still be a good idea since it isn't possible to prove that you're the one that stamped them

True.

Plus it'd be totally worth it.
You get fined for stamping bills on bitcoins ? It will be free advertising, you'll probably make the amount of the fine with the mere increase of value of your BTCs :D


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 03:51:46 PM
Plus it'd be totally worth it.
You get fined for stamping bills on bitcoins ? It will be free advertising, you'll probably make the amount of the fine with the mere increase of value of your BTCs :D

The stamp has to be small, though.  Otherwise it might be difficult to have the note be accepted by marchands.

I propose a Bitcoin symbol, with a very short slogan, such has:

"stop central banks, visit www.bitcoin.org"

Written in very very small characters.

PS. hum, I wonder if we could not just give 5EUR notes or 1$ notes to poor people.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 03:58:37 PM
Or just spend them where people won't care.
Deposit them at the bank, if the numbers are visible they won't say anything.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 03:59:59 PM
Or just spend them where people won't care.
Deposit them at the bank, if the numbers are visible they won't say anything.

I doubt so.  If the note is marked somehow, I think they can refuse it.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: caveden on February 02, 2011, 04:04:10 PM
In Brazil is not so rare to find reais bills with an entire prayer written on it... I guess a short phrase + URL would not be a problem at all. :D


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 04:08:08 PM
In Brazil is not so rare to find reais bills with an entire prayer written on it... I guess a short phrase + URL would not be a problem at all. :D

Ok let's go for it, then.  :)


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: kwukduck on February 02, 2011, 04:11:24 PM
I like the idea, i can't stamp it? isn't it MY money? i should be able to eat it if i wish...


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
Where could I but a stamping device?


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
Where could I but a stamping device?
I bought some here a little while ago -> http://www.tamponsgautier.com/


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 05:13:54 PM
"free payments www.bitcoin.org", or "instant money transfers www.bitcoin.org", etc...
Would sound nigerian to me.




Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
It might be counterproductive to say something inflammatory. The more we try to antagonize the powers that be, the sooner they will attack us. Let's just stop them, without telegraphing our intent...

Plus, the people seeing it, might jump to an incorrect, prejudicial conclusion...

I think it would be useful to arouse people's interest and curiosity, and actually prompt them to go to the site to find out what it is. Bitcoin will do the rest automagically...

Or arouse people's self-interest, with something like "free payments www.bitcoin.org", or "instant money transfers www.bitcoin.org", etc...

Sounds too much like what companies such as Paypal, MoneyGram or whatever could say.

However, you're right about being too inflammatory.

What about:

"Check out the new decentralized digital currency on www.bitcoin.org"

?


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 05:17:57 PM

Much better !


Just :



"Google 'bitcoin'"


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 05:18:27 PM

Much better !


Just :



"Google 'bitcoin'"

+1


or just a simple "this is not money, visit bitcoin.org"


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 05:21:12 PM
or just a simple "this is not money, visit bitcoin.org"

in the same spirit:

"This is just a piece of paper.  If you want real money, visit bitcoin.org"


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 05:25:15 PM
I'm not even sure it's illegal.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2011, 05:28:32 PM
What's a good wholesaler that sells custom stamps?


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 05:28:50 PM
I'm not even sure it's illegal.

It is.  Since you're french, I'm sure you remember the affair that happened few years ago with a company that wanted to distribute cash money in Paris.  It has been forbidden by police, because "using money as support for advertising is illegal".


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 05:30:21 PM
Don't remember that. I'd love to read about it


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 05:31:59 PM
Don't remember that. I'd love to read about it

http://www.google.com/search?q=distribution+argent+interdite+%C3%A0+Paris


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: ribuck on February 02, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
"This is just a piece of paper."

I think that sentence would fall foul of the United States Defacement of Currency (http://www.moneyfactory.gov/historicallegislation.html) legislation. It's like saying that the money is worthless, which might be interpreted as "intent to render such item unfit to be reissued".

Also don't overestimate how much text can fit on a rubber stamp without becoming too small to be legible on a piece of paper that gets scrunched up. I would think that "bitcoin.org" or even just "bitcoin" is about all that will fit without making the text too small.

The money-tracking websites (wheresgeorge.com and whereswilly.com) no longer sell rubber stamps, and no longer encourage people to write the website name on the money, even though the Canadian site (Where's Willy? (http://www.whereswilly.com/faq.php)) says "We cannot locate any Canadian statutes that prohibit writing on currency". Perhaps they were advised to stop promoting marking of the currency.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: markm on February 02, 2011, 07:28:01 PM
I didn't realise not defacing coin of the realm didn't extend to not defacing paper money.

Maybe its more a matter of whether it actually loses face though than whether you used it as a napkin to scrawl your solution to the theorem Fermat didn't quite get to before he died.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: Babylon on February 02, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
I'm not even sure it's illegal.

Defacing currency in the US is technically illegal.  However it never gets prosecuted, there's a whole web community built around doing it actually (where's george)


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 08:47:38 PM
I'm not even sure it's illegal.

It is.  Since you're french, I'm sure you remember the affair that happened few years ago with a company that wanted to distribute cash money in Paris.  It has been forbidden by police, because "using money as support for advertising is illegal".

From all of what I just read, the reason why it was forbidden was because of the riots that would have ensued from distributing cash in the street, *not* because writing something on currency is illegal.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: dust on February 02, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
The bitcoin community should not use illegal means to advertise.  "Where's George?" is harmless to the government, whereas bitcoins are competition to US dollars.  The government is much more likely to care about bitcoin advertising.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: sirius on February 02, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
I used to write "bitcoin.org" on every euro note that passed through my hands, but eventually forgot it. Time for a new campaign? :)


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 02, 2011, 09:06:46 PM
I used to write "bitcoin.org" on every euro note that passed through my hands, but eventually forgot it. Time for a new campaign? :)
I'm in!

Somebody up to take the business opportunity of selling stamps ? :D


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: ribuck on February 02, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
Instead of stamping onto the banknotes, why not affix a small label, the kind that can easily be peeled off. Then no-one can say that the note has been defaced.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
Instead of stamping onto the banknotes, why not affix a small label, the kind that can easily be peeled off. Then no-one can say that the note has been defaced.

It would much more expensive.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2011, 09:30:14 PM
I used to write "bitcoin.org" on every euro note that passed through my hands, but eventually forgot it. Time for a new campaign? :)
I'm in!

Somebody up to take the business opportunity of selling stamps ? :D
I was but after getting a quote from a wholesaler... I don't have enough capital. : (


Title: Re: Using Fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: bitcoinex on February 02, 2011, 09:49:18 PM
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/1972_Fiat_124_Sedan_Special_Front_1.jpg


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: Garrett Burgwardt on February 02, 2011, 10:09:53 PM
I used to write "bitcoin.org" on every euro note that passed through my hands, but eventually forgot it. Time for a new campaign? :)
I'm in!

Somebody up to take the business opportunity of selling stamps ? :D
I was but after getting a quote from a wholesaler... I don't have enough capital. : (

Ballpark how much would I be looking at? I might be interested.


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 02, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
Bitcoins - because you cant send gold by email.

I don't like this one, since you can't really send bitcoins via email, can you?


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2011, 03:34:50 AM
What is  bitcoin ?



 :D

http://tinypic.com/r/jkkqyx/7 (http://tinypic.com/r/jkkqyx/7)

http://tinypic.com/r/fyolc1/7 (http://tinypic.com/r/fyolc1/7)


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: davout on February 03, 2011, 03:20:36 PM
What is  bitcoin ?



 :D

http://tinypic.com/r/jkkqyx/7 (http://tinypic.com/r/jkkqyx/7)

http://tinypic.com/r/fyolc1/7 (http://tinypic.com/r/fyolc1/7)
incredible!


Title: Re: Using fiat to advertise Bitcoin
Post by: grondilu on February 03, 2011, 03:42:17 PM
+1 for bitcoin.org