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Good day,

My name is Rosalina. I'm from Romania, and I work for a company that has contacts in several european countries. We decided to offer privileged time with young women, in exchange for bitcoins. We can accomodate for any wish you might have, but the price will depend on the requirement. Contact me by PM for more details.

Best regards,
Rosalina

I do not believe that, sorry.

It is certainly way too early for bitcoin proxenytism.  Your post is nothing but a bad joke, imo.

You believe other thread about drugs exchange, and not about girls ? Bitcoin is good for illegal stuff, no doubt about that is it ?

Some proof is needed, maybe a photograph with a BTC sign on the girls' bottom.  8)

Well, on second thought, maybe the need for anonymous money in prostitution is higher than I thought.   Prostitution is legal in several countries, but proxenytism is still forbidden in France, for instance.

I guess that using bitcoin, it would be very difficult for police to prove that a sex intercourse is the result of an electronic financial negociation.

It depends on how bitcoin-aware organized crime is, I guess.  So far I think that mafia using bitcoin is still some rumor.  I doubt these guys are that technological-oriented.

Not all kinds of prostitution is legal. Some things we provide are illegal everywhere almost.

We're not the mafia :)

Here is asked picture http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/112

SHOOPED!

I have doubts about the whole thing, but it does look like real handwriting...

+1

What about a short video of a girl mentionning bitcoin for her personnal service?



EDIT:  oops I +1ed this although it's actually the opposite that I thought.  This picture is obviously a fake, imo.

Agreed. I really, really wish this was true. Not that I want to use the service *cough* but we need real services-for-btc!

Most paranoid of you won't be convinced by video either I believe :) Thankfull others are PM-ing me, and maybe when they say we are real you will trust us more. In sex-trade web of trust has to be built too.

o.O look at her right hand, she's not holding anything at all, the writing may very well be real handwriting but the whole sign is photoshopped in. For christ's sake her finger tips blend into the sign!

the two halfs of the sign are different colors, the boarders look like different widths depending on were they appear on the sign... seen better shop jobs on 4chan...

Where in Romania?

Using my fabulous Google magic, I believe I can safely say that:
- you're talking nonsense
- but the picture is fake

Here's our girl:
http://www.escapeartist.com/Offshore_Webhosting/Girl_IBC3.gif

Attempted scam?

I was not wrong at all, the book pages are different colors due to the ink...something that wouldn't be present on a hand written sign, the fingers of her right hand are messed up because some one edited the book so there was no upturned page so it looks like a sign...for this reason the boarders are also semi-messed up. Apology accepted.

I guess we all knew it was an attempted scam but one thing is for sure: The guy is from Romania. A scammer. We should track him down and punish him consequently.

EDIT: Rosalinda, next time don't answer any private message. Nice system configuration though. Go and play CS.

This is not 4chan  >:(

Haha, this is pretty epic.

Backtrace this. Immediately!

We have to contact the cyber police.

Consequences will never be the same.

i have a big knife

Nice try, but i don't believe this even for a second.

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PS. If any of you is careless enough to actually go to Romania or something, I strongly advise against it...
Romania is full of gypsies. If this is a real scammer from Romania, there is 99,999% probability that you will get robbed or kidnapped if you go there...

Believe me, i live in a country where there is a lot of gypsies, and they usually engage in such illegal stuff.

It is a trap!11

Ok. Here is video - http://ubitio.us/file/download/20

So we need to pay to see the video to assert you are not a scammer? Cutting your losses, are we? :p

I am not interested in random people watching video. I want to show this video only to someone who really interested in buying out service.

But she looks like she could be over 18! I thought you said you do illegal stuff?

I doubt this would be a venue that would appreciate such a proof, I'm "just sayin'",
not askin'.

Nice porn site though. You from netpond dot com at all?

-MarkM-

Sorry. No under-aged girls. We do serious business only and do not want problems nor for us nor for our clients. All our girls are 18 years old. No more and no less.

I strongly believe you're not Romanian but French (a typographical mistake in one of your posts suggests so), with a good level in English.

I would be impressed if you could guess the nationality of someone that easily.  Which was this mistake you're talking about?

I notice that the OP put a space before a question mark, which is a common French mistake. Maybe davux is thinking of something else, though.

No, that was exactly it. :)

I know no other language where spaces before double punctuation marks are the rule, or even a common practice. In particular, Romanian doesn't have that (even though many Romanians do speak very good French and have an impressively good French culture).

I was wrong saying that that person is surely French, though. "French speaker" would be a more appropriate term (French, Belgian, Canadian from Québec, Algerian, Swiss...).

Shoe on head with timestamp.  :)

If you want live what you tell them to do as you tell it video that tends to cost by the minute. How into shoes are you? ;)

-MarkM-

Gypsies and kidnapping kinda brings about the next real question: a gypsy kidnapping service?  You could choose to A) have a gypsy kidnap someone of your choice or B) have someone kidnap you a gypsy.  Bitcoin can make it possible!

the title of this thread makes me think of "How much for your women?"

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/10/185/34150_512x288_generated__enCYODlgVkexU4A1S0X8cQ.jpg

Grrr. Mistake != Non-american convention

I'm not sure I understand how this topic lasted so long.

Nobody's buying into it, but that was apparent as soon as they posted.

Also, does that mean there are pictures we Brits can see you Americans can't?  Legal limit here's 16.  BURN

Racist much?

gypsies are people, just like any others.

Is the video trustworthy? If not, the pimp failed in providing proofs so nobody will go anywhere, and nobody will get robbed or kidnapped.

Anyway, criminology says that most of the criminals that do things against the person (like pimping, killing, raping) are statistically more interested in cash than gold or other commodities. Something triggers in their brain when they see paper money but not a bullion of silver, gold, etc. I guess because they are short-sighted and they tend to neutralize risks (like killing a man for something that looks like gold but it isn't). So, I strongly believe the first prostitution act with bitcoin will be one of some girl that wants some. Real pimps are more interested in euro dollars and pounds. They will first accept Chinese yuans before bitcoin.

Any lonely female bitters out there?  ;)

It is a mistake in English, which the OP is using. No English style guide advocates putting a space before a question mark, and it is never done in English literature. Clearly it would not be a mistake in French.

It's actually quite absurd to call me racist, because I myself am not white and in my country i have suffered a lot because of racism. But of course you cannot know that so it is not your fault.
I understand perfectly what racism is and what it is not, because i have felt it on my own skin.

What I am saying is that it does **not** matter what **RACE** gypsies are. It's just their culture which makes them do illegal stuff.
In my 30-year long life i have almost NEVER seen a gypsie having a legal occupation in my country, and believe me - there are a lot of gypsies here.

99,9% gypsies i know are either professional beggers, thiefs or scammers. In my whole life **MAYBE** i have seen **ONE** gypsie working legally somewhere some time ago, but i don't remember correctly now. So just imagine how many of them have illegal occupations comparing to legal ones.

Despise against a cultural or ethnic group is usualy assimilated to racism.

So if they rounded them up you would be grateful????

oh wait.....

A few recent threads make me wish there was a separate NSFW Marketplace.

I do not despise any "group", so your assumption is invalid. I don't like certain "traditions".
There is no point in despising a group of people, since
a) not everybody in a group is like the rest of the group
b) people can change their culture - if they want to of course


You're not listening. I'am not wishing for anybody or any group to be "rounded up" anywhere anytime.

I'm just making an observation. Gypsies JUST DON"T WORK LEGALLY here. IT SIMPLY ALMOST DOES NOT HAPPEN. Deal with it.
They just don't integrate at all. They beg, steal, lie, scam 99,9% of the time. And i don't need any statistics to confirm that. Just ask **anybody** in my country. Go make a street survey and ask people if they have seen legally working gypsie. You will be surprised (or not).

Perhaps there is a way to fix their culture, but at the moment I have no ideas.
Also, some gypsies leave their culture and live like a "normal people", but VAST majority do not.

+1

Theoretically cool idea, however this could create big, government-related problems for the forum owner if somebody starts to sell prostitution, drugs or other stuff there.
So the safest place for such thing is probably TOR.

I'm pretty sure that one day, I'll wake up one morning and I'll realize that the bitcoin.org website has been block.  Then I'll go on IRC and I'll ask where is the TOR hidden bitcoin website.

One minute later, I'll be connected to it.

Well, whether they are selling them in a separate NSFW folder or within the regular Marketplace folder won't make any difference as to government related problems.

I actually would prefer we not allow such legally-questionable auctions on this forum at all. IMO Bitcoin is too important to get bogged down in such legal affairs by allowing them on its official website. I know we can't prevent such transactions being done with Bitcoin, but we can keep them from growing negative attention by keeping them off the official Bitcoin website.

Well said, Sir.
Promoting prostitution, drugs & other illegal buisnesses should be totally banned on this forum.

Let's focus on creating a legit, stable currency, and leave other things to other places.

(emphasis mine)

Agreed.

(emphasis mine)

Disagreed, this time. A currency is blind about what it's used for, and it's a good thing. What's allowed on a particular website is another topic, though.

So, I agree that we shouldn't allow "delicate" topics on this forum. The internet is large enough to let anyone create their own forum/website/whatever about the topics they wish, and sell their services in bitcoins if they want to.

We shouldn't disagree since I'm talkiing about the same thing, just using different words. Well, perhaps I'm not making myself clear enough.

You don't have to be white to be racist.  One great example of this would be Rwanda.

Oh, and I'm Gypsy.

If youre not working illegally (cough* not paying taxes* ) youre doing it wrong.


The more people suck off the system the quicker it will go down so im all for people doing that.

banning that from this forum would be a move towards trying to regulate the bitcoin and authoritarianism.

That's ridiculous.

unless this forum is registered offshore with bulletproof immunity hosting and the domains are out of reach of the US (like when they yanked all the p2p and vid linking domains) i wouldn't venture into openly selling vice or carding/fraud. also if you banned a scamming vendor they would launch DDOS or maybe the DEA would launch one to shut it down

however you could make the Tor bitcoin marketplace with anything on it.

as for Romania, it's the second most corrupt country after Liberia. Sex traffickers can easily get anonymous bank accounts and the like to launder money bitcoin isn't needed. Not like the Romanian police will ever care or do anything about it without a substantial bribe which the sex trafficker will easily match.

also prepaid prostitution will never work unless they are repeat clients or a major agency. read any escort forum, they all want to pay in cash first and don't trust anybody. bait + switch is common in that field, pic is a gorgeous girl but the person who shows up to your door is usually the worst female impersonator since tarzan went through jane's handbag and ate her lipstick.

Sure, but in my situation believing in racism would be simply idiotic, since I am subjected to racism myself.
I know it hurts, i know what racism is and i know what racism is not.


Still, that does not prove anything. You may be an exception from the rule.
Also while visiting London, i noticed that when Gypsies come to richer countries, they more often start having legal occupations (i personally rented room from a Gypsie in London). Perhaps they just treat my country as a temporary stop on the way to western countries, who knows.

And no matter how long we discuss here, 99% gypsies in my country (Poland) still don't have a legal occupation, and this is an undisputable fact.

you realize it could be because Roma can't get a job in Poland due to the 'rule' that all gypsies are thieves right...?

anyways a global escort site that providers in any city could pay a token amount of btc to get on and advertise would be a good idea since look what happened to craigslist. could be hosted in Romania :)

So I think this needs some explanation.  Are you saying it is absurd to call you racist because you are not white?
Or are you saying it is absurd to call you racist because you are not white but you live in a mostly white country and have suffered racism?

Why is banning nsfw threads even considered a solution ?  Its easier to add an "ignore" button . The answer when dealing with something in an anarchistic world is to use ostracism not authoritarianism or rule by morality.

Who's morality do you judge it by with people from all over the world here ? Dont presume to speak for anyone else or claim you "represent" other people.

Ostracism includes site owners not permitting what they don't like.

Illegal in what jurisdiction? Should I be able to advertise prostitution if I work out of Nevada? Will someone be appointed to check my establishment's license?

How about porn? Need I remind everyone of the trouble that the distributor "Max Hardcore" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore ended up in when one state decided to enforce its laws on people in other states because being on the internet made the porn available there?

Where are you going to draw the line, and what legal team should be retained to help make the call in questionable cases, or even to draw up the censorship policy?

Seems best to me to just stay out of such messy business of instituting a censorship regime... and for whose ultimate benefit? I mean seriously, what would such a policy actually do aside from make you feel a little better about being associated with the site yourself, because of a completely symbolic policy that does little more than shield your eyes from having to know what other people are up to?

Actually.... funny you would mention that, I was just reading about ostracism the other day. The historical practice that is. It had little to do with owners. Actually it was a series of two votes. The first one was a simple referendum "Should we ostracize anyone?" and then, if the answer was yes, there was a vote by which names would be submitted and the "winner" got a no expense paid 10 year exile.... though... with no loss of property.

Of course, this is the internet. The idea of actually being able to ban someone from a forum that is free to sign up is kind of laughable. You can, at best, temporarily inconvenience them. Slow them down even. There is something to be said for being realistic about your capabilities.

Banning things that one "doesn't like" always seemed more than a bit myopic to me. Generally doesn't stop the activity... even if you put a big group of thugs together, call yourself a government, and go about "enforcing" your ban. I have yet to see anything other than, maybe prison, that's terribly effective at stopping people from doing what they want, and even then, only to a certain extent.

I'm not sure if that's really the case. If it was so, countries with large informal economies would be better off than countries with most of the economy formal. And that's not what we see...
Normally having to constantly hide from the mafia is harder and worse than just paying them what they force you to.

Thats because there is nowhere on earth to hide from the mafia :)


I still think the answer is an ignore button not censorship.

The reason I was bought into BitCoin was purely for the fact that it was not controlled by a central authority, and there was a limited supply of.

If the first real services are going to be illegal ones, or ones that I personally consider unethical, then convincing my community to join BitCoin will be much more difficult, and thus because I cannot buy local services with it because of this, I'd rather disassociate myself with BitCoin.

A potentially revolutionised idea, hijacked by crime and thugs.

So depressing.

Ok, so money (I mean US$, EUR, etc) buys you drugs, prostitutions, assassination contracts, and lots of other nasty things. Google it, you'll find pretty much anything.

Last I heard, Unicef and other such institutions were taking money (again, US$, EUR, etc) to buy food and medicine for the poor around the globe.

I will not say I agree or disagree with any of the two things above, really, but they are on opposite sides of the 'moral scale' and still money is very much associated with the both. And with your groceries too, did you start not paying in whatever your local currency is because you can also buy sex with it???

I think the real point is not bitcoins being themselves associated with whatever, but rather this particular forum being the central repository for everything bitcoin related and thus the place people end up at when trying to learn more. It needs to stay open and free, imo, and until there's a better solution for trading 'illegal' stuff for bitcoins (heck, selling your services bathing cute puppies for bitcoins is illegal if you don't submit that in your tax form) I don't see these threads going anywhere.

I do agree that a tor hidden forum would be amazing for these trades, and a great 'plan B' if this forum is ever DoS'd. I'd love to see a full mirror available over tor, with some sections only available in the hidden one ;)

But posting on one or the other would still be voluntary, I guess. You can't force a set of rules and then say "a major plus is that we don't get enforced rules down our wallets"... practice what you preach, I guess.

The forum is the property of whoever pays the hosting and other costs.
Its up to them what they want to allow or disallow .

For the more dainty among us its probably best to move the seedier threads to a tor hidden service. The forum isnt 4chan after all lol.





p.s.

Porn pretty much pioneered internet commerce.

Mainstream commerce didn't let that stop it from moving in, instead they took advantage of all the work the pioneers had already done.

-MarkM-

+1   

People like to control what others are doing mainly because they themselves cant do it .

Its the stockholm syndrome.

Wrong. The other way around.

Dude.
There is no rule which forbids Gypsies from having legal occupations in Poland. Gypsies just are like this (scamming, thieving, begging etc), and they are doing it for centuries. It didn't start yesterday.

I am sorry, but their reputation is VERY well deserved across hundereds of years.
If they want to fix this, they should start to behave according to cultures of the countries they occupy.

You apparently don't get why do we want to ban selling illegal stuff on this forum. Let me explain this to you.

This forum was founded by bitcoin author, or somebody closely related to him. So if owners of this forum allow prostitution, drugs, pornography etc to be traded here, then governments/courts will view this as clear proof that Bitcoin was designed with thought of doing illegal stuff.

Next step - bitcoin.org domain will be seized as illegal, and its creators will be called "drug dealers", "pimps" or "terrorists".

Let's not make it too easy for governments to shut us down.

This a million times over. Been saying this for a while.

And the whole "internet is a big place. go somewhere else" argument is false. There is only ONE bitcoin forum, and this is the best place for people to speak (free speech).

The bitcoin site owner/developers will needs to decide how much they are willing to offend the government for the sake of allowing consensual non-coercive offers being advertised here on this forum.

There actually are quite a few bitcoin forums around. Bruce Wagner has a list on his website.

Somehow this topic became about racism, illegal stuff, drugs, etc...

Please stop!! If you need to discuss this - please start new topic. In my topic we are offering only legal service. Here is another demo of what we have - http://ubitio.us/file/download/23

But you feel scammy.  :-\

You've already showed us your dishonesty (the photoshopped picture). Why should we trust you when you immediately break our trust from the get go?

We already stopped to work with girl who sent us this picture upon our request. Sorry about that. All of this is just show of what we have and video much harder to photoshop in short amount of time. So I hope this will prove we are legit.

At least make an effort to find a rarer video, I've seen that striptease video on multiple sites years ago.

Guys, it's not even the same profile, there are two Rosalinas. Check, for example, the post count. Either the first account was banned or someone is trying to double-scam.

Nice. This could be shaping up to be quite an educational thread.

Is it done using alternate fonts that look alike or what?

-MarkM-( I still think Netponders could better than Bitcoiners help such websites get exposure though. (& even content too!))

I don't believe you even for a second.
Very bad case of false start (or rather: Fail start).

Go scam people on other forums, you are going to have a hard time finding many fools here.

AFAIK we are discussing free trade, not free speech. Are these two the same or what ?

Lol nice catch. The good ol' capital i instead of L trick.

profile id is different too. (hover over their name and look at the url)

This topic should be closed and thrown out into the trash. Too bad this forum is not too well moderated yet...

What decides the font it uses? Our browser defaults? Or is it deliberately telling our browsers to use a phishing font?

-MarkM-

+1

Why?

I think it serves as a good example of the community coming together to catch stupid scammers.

+1

Also it has comedic value.

Keep the dirty laundry in the open.

From one point of view - yes, this may be good. But from another point of view - this is a problem.

Imagine now that 500.000 people come within next few years and read this topic. Some of them are either stupid, or simply won't read the topic to the end for some reason / just read the first post.
Certain percent % of them WILL BE scammmed by this swingler. This is what i wanted to avoid.

There are already quite a few ethical services available.

Well,  I know if I was convinced that some group was a bunch of thieves I certainly wouldn't hire them.  I'm not saying the Polish gypsies don't bear any of the blame here, but there's definitely a racist culture in place keeping them in the position they are in. 

I'm kind of surprised there still are Gypsies in Poland, since the Nazi's did an awfully thorough job of eliminating Gypsies and Jews both.

why is it ridiculous, this is a hub of bitcoin activity. there are loads of niches being filled here, and even new niches which do not exist in the current economy, if we ban certain niches which may be 'nsfw' or 'illegal', this forum which has an effect on the market(atm), will be thus regulating the market. this is bad, we should exploit the fact that bitcoin is a fuck you to the government.

Right, because they bear.


Still, i would say that their will to continue "their ways" is bigger than the artificial social barriers keeping them where they are.

It's just that Gypsies have had an dynamic/unstable road travel culture since several hundereds of years, and it won't change overnight. They are just used to they old ways, and because of that it is harder for them to get any normal jobs in Poland, because legal jobs in Poland require that you have a fixed registration of residence (they would have to live in one place).

Gypsies here are just imcompatibile with recent (last 70 years) social changes, and that creates problems. They have kept their culture, and their culture is no longer compatibile with the modern world - and i think that is the problem. This is the reason they steal, scam and lie - because they cannot find any normal place in modern society.

I think you're wrong. This forum is not about the "market". It is about bitcoin support.
Strength of bitcoin itself (as currency) is more important than having few niche markets on this forum.

Get this: Trading illegals on this forum WILL UNDERMINE Bitcoin as a good currency because it creates a weakness which government propaganda can exploit.



Sure, but there is no need to make more buzz about it so govs come here faster, right ?
They are probably already creating a strategy, and "useful idiots" like you are putting weapons in their hands.

If you want Bitcoin never to go mainstream, and become underground-only currency, then go on - trade drugs, prostitution and weapons on this forum.

It's still the hub of the bitcoin economy.

Or it will open up a new niche, a forum dedicated to exchanging illegal services or bitcoins in a secure way.

This forum is not secure, you can be farily easily traced by IP if you aren't doing your own security.  It's publically ccessible and easy to get at.  A really poor venue for illegal trades in any case.

This is a good thing, it will teach the lesson to not be gullible idiots the hard way.

And again, you can get scammed with any currency. If you want a walled garden economy you can try Facebook tokens and Apple bucks. There is no reason to try to regulate the market because we are gonna get criticized by the mainstream either way. As for legal threats to the site, I'm sure Sirius will clean up the forum as needed to get the angry lawyers off his back so there's no need to keep whining about it.

+ 1

Great point.


That's fine. So the hub can have links connecting whole economy (and illegal content).
But it does not have to have illegal content itself.

At least this gives us some protection against "bitcoin was created to allow trading prostitution, drugs, weapons & other illegal stuff" propaganda attack...

I, for one, am glad that the forum has not become ruled by authoritarian moderators (as most forums are). The ideals of libertarianism should be extended to moderation as much as possible: everyone should be free to express any idea unless doing so infringes on the equal right of others.

The idea expressed in the OP was given an accurate title, and it is in the correct section. Neither Sirius nor Satoshi (bitcoin.org operators) have expressed a desire to filter potentially-illegal content. Therefore, the topic is OK. Use your own brain to determine whether the offer is a scam.

I should mention that the last several replies (and my own) have absolutely nothing to do with the OP. These off-topic replies are disruptive to readers and on-topic repliers. Please move further bitcoin.org discussion to a new topic in "Bitcoin Discussion", and move Gypsy discussion to a new topic in "Off-topic".

Is your community currently using a currency that isn't used by criminals and thugs? I assume not.

Can you even imagine how a currency could be designed so that it cannot be used for whatever you think is unethical? I can't.

along with security exploits to government data,wikileaks etc. etc. things declared 'illegal'. better to have everything out, at the risk of having stuff which we might think is bad.

Yes, it is true that illegal activity is funded by Federal Reserve Notes.  But you will not find them listed for sale on the Federal Reserve's or banks' websites.

+1

OK, so whatever. Let everybody trade anything they want in here - let's see how that will work out.

Just don't say i haven't warned you. I don't like the idea of having to use TOR to check out main bitcoin website.

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FEDs are closing this forum in 5...4...3...2...1...

Yea, because browsing the bitcoin forum instantly makes you a criminal....

Actually I meant the other way around: Bitcoin forum would be TOR-only because of "illegal content" posted on it... (Or becuse of domain seizures)

EDIT:
But after giving it some thought, i think that "your way" is also possible using propaganda tricks.

- First, they prove that Bitcoin was intentionally created for illegal stuff because authors allow that kind of stuff on their forums which clearly shows their intentions.
- Second, they will name Bitcoin "the currency of fraudsters, terrorists, illegal arms dealers, drug dealers" etc.
- Third, they make Bitcoin illegal
- 4. ?? ?? ??
- 5. PROFIT !

Classic Problem-Reaction-Solution scheme.

Stop deluding yourself, those attacks will come with or without a "clean" forum. There's nothing we can do to prevent that sort of propaganda.

So. What?

I think what ShadowOfHarbringer is trying to say is that, for instance, if some kind of a journalist hears about Bitcoin and they decide to check the website/forum - if the first and hottest topics they see are "young women for bitcoins" or "how to open a heroin store" they wouldn't be too impressed. Yes, I know you don't care, but without such people the article in the Irish Times might have never been published, which would again slow down getting our Wikipedia page up. Little things. To quote Guru (RIP): "Be more intelligent than just an angry rebel.". Why did Satoshi not want Bitcoin to be adopted by Wikileaks? Because he doesn't support them? No - because it is TOO EARLY. We should concentrate on making Bitcoin popular among legitimate businesses. Get foundations and charity places to accept it - then we will have something to say to defend Bitcoin if someone says it's only used for the bad.

I have nothing against someone opening drugs store or selling their arse (literally) for bitcoins, but what Shadow's saying also makes sense.

So whether you want it or not, it will not be mainstream if it is illegal.
It will continue being underground currency.

Is that what you want ?


Nobody is deluding anybody.
I am perfectly aware than governments sooner or later will fight bitcoin.

But my point is to move that event further in the future. Now, while BTC is in its infancy, we are vulnerable...

How is it possible people here don't understand that ? Is it some kind of bitcoin related madness or what ?
Does really everybody here wants to buy drugs & get laid so hard that nobody cares if Bitcoin gets destroyed in the process ?

Trollfood, trollfood! Hahaha.

If you were actually that concerned, surely you would have applied "don't feed the trolls" rule...

...Creating a separate thread entirely, with maybe even a cunningly contrived title designed to attract journalists to the thread as least as well as this thread's title attracts them but taking a slant you feel will more properly condition journalists who read it.

My mind isn't tuned in to making a sufficiently titillating title right now, I am coming up with boring titles like "Notice how illegal product threads simply die from lack of response?"

-MarkM-

But I know these disputants, they are not trolls. Who are you talking about ?


Oh no - that thing definately does not work on this forum.
Because of lack of moderation, everybody here writes about anything in just any topic they want... Offtopic hell. Which is another problem by the way.

The thing is, Sirius has already seen this and the heroin store threads and has chosen not to lock/delete them. Assuming that the success of Bitcoin is in his self-interest, this non-action means that he believes these threads won't impact Bitcoin negatively, and you probably won't convince him otherwise. You are just gonna have to let it go, being a control freak is the surest way to unhappiness.

Hey. I repeat - we do not deal with illegal stuff at all! All our girls are 18 years old! Here is fresh webcam video from our Martha - http://ubitio.us/file/download/24

Let me translate that for you:

"Keep paying those bitcoins for files I've downloaded from the internet, it has been lucrative thus far" :)

Just kidding... right?

That's maybe because there are not many such threads and there is no official policy or set of rules on this forum yet.
But it doesn't mean that somebody (Sirius) can't make one.

If there is one-two threads, that is not a problem. But when such threads start showing up in hundereds, this may change.

Also, pornography is not illegal in most of normal countries. So it's not a big thing. Just wait until people will start selling drugs & arms here. Hell is gonna break loose. That will definately catch the attention of governments - and the website will be closed faster than you can spell "censorship".

You are assuming bitcoins market is in the masses of people, and that it will be widely adopted. I am not saying anything, but certainly it has a market in people who want to do illegal stuff, i don't see how governments can shut it down, we should let bitcoin thrive where it will

http://soofman.civ.pl/bitcoin/other_images/putin_seriously_guys.jpg

No, seriously - why are we even discussing this ? I mean these are obvious things...
It's like explaining "don't touch the kettle, you will get burned" to the children, OMG...

I'm starting to think this is a government provocation to close this forum up faster.

** Illegal stuff should not be traded on this forum. Period **


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Shut up, scammer.

Why shouldn't it be for masses of people ?
I myself want to save for my retirement in bitcoin. I want to some day pay for my groceries in Bitcoin. What is wrong with that ?


Of course it has a market in people trading illegal stuff. But not on this forum.
If you trade illegals on this forum, it's like you're shouting around : "Hey, bitcoin was created for paying whores, buying drugs, illegal arms and generally fucking the government"


Governments cannot shut it down. But they can hold mainstream adoption by making it illegal.
And then, you are not going to pay for groceries with Bitcoin. Ever.

You don't seem to get that people can be free grown ups and that the world is not going to crumble apart.

No, it will simply become a board of 4chan.

Except for you're not daddy, now please GTFO and take your FUD and morals with you.

I didn't know you owned it.

Implying that fucking the government is a bad thing...
Bitcoin is the most free currency that has ever circulated, if governments have a problem with freedom it's not bitcoins problem. Just as your little fears are not the mods problem.

You obviously fail to understand that legality of bitcoin is irrelevant to its use as a currency.
If a government makes bitcoin illegal, it will shed massive light on it, and lead to massive adoption, and in turn expose the contradictions of said interdiction.

Whoever pays for the forum hosting, makes the rules. We are guests in his forum. Other people can (and will) open fora with different rules. How can this be controversial?

Send me some bitcoins and you can do all the amazon shopping for groceries you want :).

What's so bad about hookers and blow anyway ?

For now, most of people in this thread act as children, so what is the difference.


I am just making a discussion. Where did i say i owned it ?


You clearly don't fuckin' get WTF am I talking about, so STFU Bitch (yes, i can swear too !)
Also:
1. Nobody is talking about fucking morals. I'm just talking about Bitcoin reputation as a currency. But it seems you're too big fucking moron (oh yes, i can swear !) to get that. I am sorry for you.
2. To be clear: I would happily buy Illegal Arms, Drugs etc myself, but again: NOT on this forum. So morals has nothing to do with this.


Again, I am NOT implying that fucking government is a bad thing.
In fact i fuck the government on every occasion.

Of course, again - you're too stupid (i think i'm getting addicted to insulting you. Mmmm that feels gooood) to read with understanding.


Nobody is talking about FEAR. I am talking about REPUTATION.
Because, in contrary to you, I care if Bitcoin ever goes "large".


WOW, this is the first actual valid argument that is not an insult in your whole post.
Still, it if will be illegal, then it will be underground currency. And if it will be underground currency, I won't pay for my groceries in it.


No, much worse. And it will be TOR-only, which is a problem. Somehow you're too stupid to see that.

Then, please quit whining, and go make your own, where people be required to behave like respectable grown-ups and content will be MPAA rated.
People mostly disagree with you, mod told you to get lost, what are you still doing here ?

u mad

This is not an ARGUMENT.
I'm not whining, I am simply making a discussion.


Perhaps this is why I'm continuing to discuss, because i want to convince them they are wrong.
This is the point of discussion, am I wrong ?



In your dreams perhaps. I remember no such thing.


Definately.

I usually get mad when people explode with moronic ideas and defend them as if they were absolute truth, exactly as in this thread.

can you please forgive yourself and others and move on-

yes, bickering gets no one anywhere.  :-[

Actually I'd argue that widespread adoption by illegal industries could be the best thing that happens to Bitcoin at this time. The black market is HUGE, it has almost 1.5 trillion market value (according to Wikipedia). If only 0.1% of that jumped on the Bitcoin bandwagon it would drive the price and network hashrate through the roof, improving trust in the security of the network and enabling a lot of people and businesses to work for bitcoins full-time on legal industries, thus creating an adoption spiral. Considering the usual response time of government when it comes to regulating stuff on the internet, we would get a pretty good head start of uninterrupted explosive adoption, making it way harder for them to do something about it.

This a very good argument. I'm 97% satisfied and 75% convinced. (Contrary to davout's pseudo-arguments which are mostly empty jibberish).

However, i'm still worried that adoption will be postponed by few years because of governments delegalizing bitcoin.

Anyway, I see that clearly I'm not convincing anybody here today, so i guess everybody have to learn truth the hard way. Just don't say nobody warned you.

This is why we should never make BTC an officially recognised currency, because then the government has control over it.  Otherwise, they'd have to start passing new laws to stop it because there's nothing wrong with trading meaningless data about and if people will dish out money for the data that's their prerogative.

As soon as anything official happens they can tax it, make it illegal etc..


Also, I don't think people realise the severity of BTC becoming illegal; if it does that then it will ruin it forever.  BTC can thrive right now with nobody touching it, but as soon as it's illegal the community will become a fraction of what it was and the dream can never happen, whatever that was.

Not to mention if the coin's not illegal, then it can still be used for illegal activities, so anyone looking to operate in illegal ways with BTC would have an easier time, but really I don't have to consider you guys since I feel that is out of the question (personally).

I've found that people don't really care about the legal status of an activity when it's easy to do it without punishment. See copyright infringement as an example.

Then you'll also know that the people care no matter how easy it is far more when the severity of punishment goes up, and if BTC were serious enough to make illegal, then surely (like all serious financial offences) punishment would run high.  It's easy to rob a shop, but stealing is a serious crime and barely anybody does it, but many people pirate movies off of the internet and the punishment for being caught is pretty low.

"A federal jury on Thursday found Jammie Thomas-Rasset liable in the nation’s only Recording Industry Association of America file-sharing case to go to trial, dinging her $1.92 million for infringing 24 songs.

Thomas-Rasset (then just Jammie Thomas) went to trial two years ago, and was ordered to pay $222,000 by a different jury for the same songs. The judge in the first case declared a mistrial. Thomas-Rasset opted for a new trial instead of settling like the 30,000-plus others the RIAA has sued or threatened to sue for copyright infringement.

Thomas-Rasset, fined $80,000 a track, told our sister publication, Ars Technica, she wouldn’t pay."

This can all be solved by moving the bitcoin network over to a darknet (such as onion or i2p), in which case the government(American) can only block people using those services (which it currently can't do).

No the real target when the authorities want to clamp down on bitcoin will not be the network itself, but the exchanges. It is the exchanges that give bitcoin a lot of it liquidity, and it's exchange value gives people more confidence in it's usage as a currency, right now there are far too few goods and services that can be bought with bitcoin so the exchanges are crucial to it's healthy growth in use.

Shut down the exchanges and you kill bitcoin, it also doesn't help that the exchanges themselves are very vulnerable to authority action.

That is true but these cases are few and far between and are merely meant to be used as a scare tactic, these methods clearly do not scale. But p2p downloading has grown exponentially despite all the "dangers", the truth is, if it's easy to use people don't care, they don't feel like they are hurting anyone, they don't notice any risk (there is risk but it is relatively small, just like there is a risk you will die every time you leave home).

A bunch of extreme cases... you try stealing that much physically and you'll see worse.  These people likely pirated mass quantities anyway.

I think you have a point, but let's remember that the exchanges are more flexible and could be conducted without government restriction elsewhere, right now they're easy to clamp down on because we simply don't need to worry about that yet.

I'd like to book two or three girls in order to celebrate the bitcoin parity.  They have to be tall, caucasian and good looking.  If they can bring cocaine, I buy that too.  Girls have to stay the night and accept anal, ass-to-mouth, gaging, deepthroat and spanking.    I'm sado so at least one of them has to be maso.  If the others accept to be beaten, it's good but I'm ok if they refuse that.  Yet all of them have to accept at least a few strong slaps in the face.


Please PM me photos and fares.

I'll have what he's having.

Ahh, the relaxing qualities of slapping multiple women in the face. Makes you feel GOOOD.

You forgot they must bring you sandwiches.

I will pay for a video of this meetup!

+1 see trying to ban bittorent

Bittorent already had a large userbase of people prepared to break the law.  Right now Bitcoin is entirely legal and we don't have any real restrictions, and yet everyone's still so blasé about the prospect of government opposition.

Surely we want to avoid government attention, I thought that was the whole point about anonymous transactions over P2P connections that have no value whatsoever other than what we have given it through our own personal and anonymous use.

I understand that some people oppose government openly, but we should be more tact about opposing government with Bitcoin, especially since that isn't its only possibility.  We already oppose it enough just making transactions with no taxation but since it isn't mainstream there's nothing wrong with that; Bitcoin isn't mainstream so Bitcoin is untaxable, when we make it mainstream it loses that subtlety and legality comes into it.

Bitcoin can still provide everyday items without worrying about legality now, if only people would deal in Bitcoin normally, and this would work without making Bitcoin mainstream.  Bitcoin shouldn't become a recognised currency, it should just be recognised by people seeking its benefits.  Although it's unlikely you'll be buying your groceries with Bitcoin anytime soon with this approach, I feel that Bitcoin will be better off in the long term if we're careful about what we do with it.

I can't wait until I see this on RedTube...

This is exactly what i meant earlier.

The approach of a lot of people here is "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, GOOO DIEEE GOVERNMENT MOTHAFUCKAS, BGING IT ON BITCHEZ - WE'RE GONNA KICK YOUR DAMN ASS WITH BITCOIN !!!!!!1111oneone".

In theory, this is good, because government deserves to get their asses kicked long ago.
But in practice this is a "frontal attack using front door" strategy and it won't work, because government is perfectly prepared for a frontal attack. They are good at this.

If you want to defeat government, you have to be cautious, careful, patient. Work slow, don't attract too much attention, popularize bitcoin among traders & exchangers, and then, before government(s) realizes, there will be no turning back from Bitcoin becoming a world currency.

But it seems a lot of people on this forum are not grown up enough to understand that.

Quite true...


Sounds wise to me.