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 Hello, guys. I want to appeal to you. I was painted a red trust, but the charges are not true. Tell me what can I do in this situation? because from this depends my work on forum. I would be grateful for any advice.

This is also my question I asked to myself. Though I don't have a red trust, I am curious as to how a person gets red trust and who gives such? If for example a person had multiple accounts but joined separate bounty campaigns will he get red trust?

It is obvious that you abuse the merit system, you ever heard a word Injustice when you are cheating for bounty campaigns from the community? Now its time for those abusers to get their punishments.

This image is enough to prove that you cheat to the forum and abuse the community.
https://i.imgur.com/6fz5SSA.png


Your still lucky there are other accounts that are not tagged yet, wait for it.
Abusers deserves punishment.

as I know, having multiple accounts on the forum is not prohibited. The only rule is not to participate in the same bounty. But I can be wrong.

Seems like I red tagged you as well.

https://i.imgur.com/O8Vh80R.png

Instead of making a post about it why not you just follow the post link I left on the red trust.

Doing this(making a post about it) is not gonna help you.

I can see you abused the merit system no doubt about it.

Good luck.


You were tagged for abusing merit. Why are you talking https://i.imgur.com/7yHAkwr.gif

Dont act like innocent you have too many high ranked accounts and you still dont know the rules? Come on, making farmer accounts is cheating. You really need to start over again and get literated to forums rules and regulations.

I voluntarily gave my Merits. I do not sell or buy merits. given the post from theymos that I did not break anything. the link to the post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28857096#msg28857096

Yeah We all can clearly see that you give "VOLUNTARILY" your merits to "someone" (if those are not your alts) and return it back to you. Still merit abuse and take note you just give a selected users and obviously your alts.

example: Im not yet done with this report Ill add it in this LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182306.0) after finishing the report and you will surely regret this "INJUSTICE" post.
This accounts are accidentally online on the same period of time and also accidentally merited same accounts.  :)
https://i.imgur.com/jN0zzGI.png

Negative trust is being given out inconsistently for merit abuse.

Yes OP, it "appears" you abused Merit a bit by exchanging merit with meloman4u, sashu and Krypt211 and Grandik29.  You both sent identical amount of merits to each other.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Ma1evich

But is this really abuse? For example, on the first day, Lauda and Atriz exchanged 80 merits between them.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Lauda

On my own profile, I have sent 20 merit to a user who has sent me 8 back.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=Vod

Even the person that left you negative trust has the same behavior on his account with TMAN.
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=The%20Pharmacist

Theymos stated negative trust should only be left for extreme cases.  How do we determine extreme?

IMO if someone is going to red paint another for leaving reciprocal merit, they should do it evenly and not pick and choose.  :/

I can provide any proof that I have no Alt and this different people, this my friends. how do I prove that to be true?

Why did you say this if you have no alts, you are contradicting your statements.

Lets say that all of them are your friends then they must be tagged too because all of you abuse the system by giving and receiving from each other? It is unfair to you if they are not tagged.

As I search you and your friends has 10+ accounts.

I have the same situation, was a voluntary exchange of Marits between friends, but I don't know how to prove that my friends and I are different people?

First few days after merit was introduced there were a lot of confusions on how to use them so it was obvious that people were making mistakes. But as the days are going everyone now should be aware and careful about sending merits to others. I wonder thinking still people are sending 50 merits (today) (https://prnt.sc/ixmh8r). Tell me does this one worth 50 merits or may be a positive tagging (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161170.msg30395098#msg30395098)

https://i.imgur.com/tU4OAQd.png

I feel ashamed for them kind of Legendary members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131037). Am i missing something here?

How do I prove that i have one account only? if you need a KYC, I'm ready.

Here it is visible that these people from one country and from one city.

It is easy to change your location, but still give it a try.

Okay.., Lets say that all of them are your "friends", so they must be tagged too because all of you abuse the system by giving and receiving merit from each other that is completely a merit abuse? Isnt it unfair for you if they are not tagged?

I guess in your case, even though you are done with the KYC, you are still guilty because of merit abusing with your friends, or rather it may be called as merit farming, an act of merit cheating between "friends" in top of a bad posts. Well i guess it is a hard thing to do to clear your red trust right now with all of the findings above.

Could you give a link to the rules that explain how to use a personal merit? I didn't find the rules for using merit.

You are forgetting that those high ranking members deserved that merit and more! It is unfair to say that everyone should have to follow the same rules. This site is just like real life, you cannot grab a women by the private parts but if you are president it's okay

If not now, but how can i in the future return the trust?

I agree, which is why I've been conflicted about leaving negs for suspected merit abuse from day one, and I said it in another thread that if you were to look at my merit history you'd probably think I was trading them with TMAN or Foxpup--and I have no way of proving that in reality I have no idea who either of them are, have never spoken to either one outside of a couple of PMs (TMAN) that did not pertain to merits or anything like that, and that it's a case of respecting one another.

This guy here, though?  Looks like he's cheating bounties as well.  That is a forum no-no, and I'm confident my feedback here is correct. 

Thanks for chiming in, Vod.  I specifically asked for your opinion here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3202458
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3202458), and now I have it.  I'm going to revisit any feedback I've left specifically for merit abuse, and I'll probably end up deleting it.  I hate doing that, but I tend to agree with you on the merit issue.

I don't see any of those examples being valid for this case. In all those three examples, none of the participating parties are not alt accounts and to our knowledge they haven't attempted to sell/buy merit. However, in the case of OP we are talking about multiple accounts per entity (assuming the alt account connection is valid; I have not checked the details of the report) abusing both bounties and merit.

I missed that one; I'll also comment if I find some time.

Thank you, because I asked for your input specifically as well.

Edit:  I removed red trust from users I'd left it for, for suspected merit abuse only.  That doesn't include the bounty cheaters or members who'd committed some other offense concurrently.  I'm still in the process of removing all those negs for shitposters.  I thought I'd gotten them all, but it seems there's always more.

Can we expect you to return a neutral trust to me and my friends? We are ready to provide any evidence that we dont sell merit and that we are not Alt. We can go through the KYC.

fully support Malevich. I'm not alt and did not deal with the sale of merit. any evidence can also be provided

The way you both reply here with a few minutes of interval is really suspicious. Even though you provide both KYC to prove that you are a different entity then it might not help you since it was easy to fake it and also the proof on your negative rating seems valid. You must gain your merit base on a quality post. This merit system is still has flaws tho.

Topic created on March 28, 2018, 03:03:40 PM, but I wrote only in March 28, 2018, 07:56:54 PM.

Agree that is very foolish on our part would be to kick up a fuss when we Alt. If we were Alt and sold merit, then we would not have so openly to do it,you will agree that it's ridiculous. But we do not do such and still assure you that we are different people and that we are not doing anything illegal on the forum.
Why on such a large forum there is a system of KYC which is so easy to fake? If the system is inefficient for what then does it exist?
How to act to people who were accused of fraud, to the end did not justify, painted the trust, and people were not to blame and no longer prove the truth?
In this topic everyone is talking about the fact that we are a Scam,but no one suggested it as now we have to prove the opposite.
I realized that I will have to provide proof of our innocence,as you say the forum is not an adequate system of KYC, and there is no one to do with our problems.

I can send in private messages DT Manager my selfie with today's date and links to accounts in social networks. I've sent messages before, but they don't answer.

Actually you and aTriz are in business together so the situation is very similar to as if you are the same person. Also the circumstantial evidence that some people use to say that you are aTriz are the same person has roughly the same strength as the circumstantial evidence to say that other merit “abusers” are sending merit to themselves.

I’ve also seen multiple instances in that someone was essentially doing something that someone else didn’t like with merit, received negative trust for said action and any serious discussion was refused.

You are blocked PM for me. For proof attach links to social networks.
https://www.facebook.com/alekseiumka
https://twitter.com/Skiner40
https://www.instagram.com/aleksei_maltsev/

Maybe in your corner of the world this constitutes proof of your not being a bounty cheater, but not in mine.

You sent me a gigantic picture of a young man holding a piece of paper with your username and the date on it...and that proves nothing.  As I said in another thread, one of the sickest individuals on the dark web, the guy who ran that "hurtcore" child abuse website was discovered to be a young, innocent-looking 22-year old white kid when the cops nabbed him in Australia (I just read about this, and it was a shocking story (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi7o6-s6J_aAhUDhuAKHcSICBsQFjABegQIABA3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-3429412%2FUniversity-student-Matthew-David-Graham-depraved-paedophiles-disliked-him.html&usg=AOvVaw0MCOappejaevKpWGScdDa7).  Drives me insane that we share the world with people like this).  What exactly do you think you're showing me by sending me a picture?  Am I supposed to look at your picture and say you therefore couldn't have alt accounts or cheat a bounty?  Give me a break.  The fact is, that could be a picture of anyone.

Feedback stays, and I'd advise you not to send pictures like that to total strangers, and it shouldn't surprise you that I've blocked your PMs.  There isn't anything to say to you, and I don't want my inbox filling up with the same requests.  You're going to have to suck it up and move forward.

Once again I welcome you The Pharmacist and ask you to pay attention to my post. xandry wrote me in PM that the exchange marit not prohibited but I still have negative trust for that.
I attach the proof and the English translation of the message from xandri.

http://ipic.su/img/img7/fs/Snimok.1535982569.jpg

Translating a message from a xandri - "Good time to you too. About the problems with the trust level is already all described in the topic - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1804284.0
Dispose of the merit you can as you please".

I think your red trust or merit abuse has been removed but you still need to prove to ThePharmacist that you don't own the other two accounts (Krypt211,meloman4u) connected to you in the bounty campaign, and sadly linking your social media accounts is not proof or a way to unlink you that you don't own the other accounts, at best it is just a proof that your account is owned by a man named Aleksei Malevich, and maybe the other two is owned by the same person. You must provide a reason why all three of you received ETH from the same address as it is the reason why you are tagged under in bounty abuse.

What does Xandry have to do with me?  Why did you bump this thread?

Hm.....I don't agree with this connection.

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Are they?

Isn't that picture pointing at....local time?

Also, I would take deep research about accounts connected by this person https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg35036207#msg35036207, as he has at least 70 alt accounts.

Connection was made using this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3162720.msg32710159#msg32710159) as a proof of connection:

This user posted that they received 0.002 ETH from that addy:

This one too:
There are probably many more accounts who received ethereum - I didn't look further than this.

Looking at that address: https://etherscan.io/address/0x5713b1495ad3449fcc73f90f4573d43e67e0c1fe - it contains 5000 ethereum transactions.
I believe this was airdrop. Right?

This one was airdrop and with these guys we are just familiar and participated almost in the same bounty. How can you believe a person who is a alts and how can you take his evidence into account?

Hi The Pharmacist. Do you trust the evidence of people who are the alts themselves ? am I right?

Dude, the pharmacist acted on behalf of mdayonliner and KeithBeeCham as if every word out of their mouths were holy. So stop wasting your time. Even if you showed up at his door with the person of the other account he would still go 'well, not all of their posts were for naught'. He enjoys being high on his horse waging his keyboard, makes it easier to look down upon you while powertripping.

https://i.imgur.com/O5zGKcM.png


All these accounts were received ETH from the same ETH address: 0x5713b1495ad3449fcc73f90f4573d43e67e0c1fe

Krypt211: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x28e8ba801fcb85d804eb9dda45a99a230970cb6185dd314edebbd46b84501f9d

Ma1evich: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xcbb03b2a6d492b2bc3b73ded7fc2dcb51d7c142ce1a7e949838aa04cfd77bef4

meloman4u: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x831de74137d04b1fd07e210f46ccc68930c482c8fcfd057753c4efcf608998a0

Here is evidence that shows that the negative was probably left unjustly:


Translated as:

Today I have received 0.002 ETH and many others too. Does anyone know something about it?

https://etherscan.io/address/0x5713b1495ad3449fcc73f90f4573d43e67e0c1fe

https://i.imgur.com/lCzbcdx.png

Viewable here: https://etherscan.io/address/0x5713b1495ad3449fcc73f90f4573d43e67e0c1fe#comments

It is is evident it was some sort of weird airdrop.

https://i.imgur.com/iKwomv6.png

Affected users:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1121653
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1121700
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1065634

The merits data:

https://i.imgur.com/34YjhKm.png

I'll buy your evidence here, xtraelv.  Even though I still firmly believe these accounts are part of a shitposting bounty farm and that they abused the merit system, I wouldn't have tagged them for just the merit issue and I'll assume they've learned their lesson about that.  Hopefully.

Also I apparently stopped paying attention to this thread before marlboroza pretty much posted the same issue with the "airdropped" ETH, because he did post about it back in September.  Either way, I'll remove the red trust now.

Better to have guilty men go free than to have innocent men punished. I think you have made the right choice.

Some of the merit data did look a little unusual but if any merit was swapped I doubt they will repeat it.