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Title: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: 1993jochico on April 02, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
I separated this post to this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182306.0) because this is a big case and maybe needed a close attention to make an action immediately.



If you disagree on what I stated above please inform me if I need to move this thread to my list above.

6 High rank accounts involved:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=503914 Legendary
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=837236 Senior   152 merits in just 7 days! :o
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854243 Senior
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=844996 Senior
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854238 Senior
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=856233 His/Her current target account to make Senior

At first I only notice that this post dont deserve 15 merits
https://i.imgur.com/6mydcWX.png


At first I thought that his post are worthy to this amounts of merit but then I found out that this posts are all copy-paste to the news, though he add the source to skip the plagiarism.

Here are the links of his post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2902905.msg29850893#msg29850893
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3061714.msg31530014#msg31530014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3109436.msg32128430#msg32128430
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3150655.msg32563664#msg32563664
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3074819.msg31683363#msg31683363
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3178062.msg32899742#msg32899742
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2977642.msg30595927#msg30595927
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3004800.msg30899708#msg30899708


His/Her Strategy: Make long copy paste post for him not to be notice by anyone if he gets the merit and add the source, Then send merits from his alts.

EDIT: Accounts registration are close aside from the main Legendary account.


We cant ignore this kind of abuse too many high rank accounts for one user.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: coinlocket$ on April 02, 2018, 04:50:59 PM
User already reported https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.msg33757489#msg33757489
Report them where everyone is doing so it's easier to track https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0

or you just spamming 3ds to get more merit? ;)


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: 1993jochico on April 02, 2018, 05:39:17 PM
User already reported https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.msg33757489#msg33757489
Report them where everyone is doing so it's easier to track https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0

or you just spamming 3ds to get more merit? ;)
It is not important for me if I get merits or not. The only thing that matters for me every time I make my reports (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182306.0) is the contribution to the forum, merit is just a bonus.

Your report is incomplete and for me this is a big case that admin/mods/DT members needs to pay attention, that's why I separated it as it is stated above.



Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: hd49728 on April 02, 2018, 11:26:00 PM
This is a hot trend after merit system launched. Finding merit abusers and report them to moderators or crate a topic to show evidence about merit abusements cases to Sean merits.
It is good if original objective is to contribute to the forum only, but it is likely not good if the main original objective is to earn merits from reporting abusers.
Anyway, merit abusers should be eliminated somehow at someeday, by someone . Lol


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: KingScorpio on April 03, 2018, 01:34:02 AM
I separated this post to this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182306.0) because this is a big case and maybe needed a close attention to make an action immediately.



If you disagree on what I stated above please inform me if I need to move this thread to my list above.

6 High rank accounts involved:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=503914 Legendary
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=837236 Senior   152 merits in just 7 days! :o
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854243 Senior
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=844996 Senior
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=854238 Senior
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=856233 His/Her current target account to make Senior

At first I only notice that this post dont deserve 15 merits
https://i.imgur.com/6mydcWX.png


At first I thought that his post are worthy to this amounts of merit but then I found out that this posts are all copy-paste to the news, though he add the source to skip the plagiarism.

Here are the links of his post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2902905.msg29850893#msg29850893
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3061714.msg31530014#msg31530014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3109436.msg32128430#msg32128430
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3150655.msg32563664#msg32563664
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3074819.msg31683363#msg31683363
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3178062.msg32899742#msg32899742
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2977642.msg30595927#msg30595927
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3004800.msg30899708#msg30899708


His/Her Strategy: Make long copy paste post for him not to be notice by anyone if he gets the merit and add the source, Then send merits from his alts.

EDIT: Accounts registration are close aside from the main Legendary account.


We cant ignore this kind of abuse too many high rank accounts for one user.

how does this merit abuse topic work do we always at the end of the month post there and spend our merit?


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: 1993jochico on April 04, 2018, 01:44:15 PM
Bumping...

Please give some attention or action to this case, if we just let them to do this other user's will think that its ok if they abuse the system because only few people gets punished on abusing merit system.

Link to my other reports.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182306.msg32959318#msg32959318


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: RYXES on April 04, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
Don't be a rat. Jeez.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: wwzsocki on April 07, 2018, 07:12:56 PM
Why you just don't use the "report to moderator" button when doing your investigations?

I think this kind of topics should be prohibited and only allowed in special threads created by mods or stuff where you can report merit system abuse but you will not be rewarded for this with merits.

I am sure this will stop a lot of users from investigating this abuse especially low-rank members because they are doing this for merits and this is obvious. Maybe not everybody like always but most of them.

Once again I think that merit abuse should be reported only using the report button.



Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: dx5 on April 08, 2018, 06:53:25 AM
Obvious sock puppets. One of the biggest giveaway is the fact that nobody ever post their location on their profile, yet this person did on all of the accounts. I guess thinking that by putting different countries it would be less connecting.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: manji on April 08, 2018, 06:54:35 AM
https://i.imgur.com/puJMQdo.png


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: dx5 on April 08, 2018, 06:55:07 AM
Why you just don't use the "report to moderator" button when doing your investigations?

I think this kind of topics should be prohibited and only allowed in special threads created by mods or stuff where you can report merit system abuse but you will not be rewarded for this with merits.

I am sure this will stop a lot of users from investigating this abuse especially low-rank members because they are doing this for merits and this is obvious. Maybe not everybody like always but most of them.

Once again I think that merit abuse should be reported only using the report button.



I disagree, it seems like a very reasonable topic for the Meta section of Bitcointalk.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: kalunomics on April 08, 2018, 07:10:06 AM
Until we find a better way to stop this abuses, I don't see reporting them in this way as a bad thing. A lot of effort has been put in by the original poster in detecting these guys and I don't see rewarding them for that as a bad thing. Its almost as good as making a quality post since both involves a lot of reading about a subject topic and making your reservations about them. I truly hope the reason for bullying OP is borne out of the need to sanitize the forum and not just to discourage him and others exposing these nefarious activities of high ranking members of the forum


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: Hans17 on April 08, 2018, 09:05:07 AM
I think its time to have a merit moderator though , a lot cases like this that ive seen though. Right now i think we need to stop this merit abuse. I think its better to have a button like and X sign something like that to report and directly to the mod.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: meri21 on April 08, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
THAT WHY IAM DISAGREED ABOUT MERIT !! HIGH RANK CAN SELL MERIT TO OTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH SMERIT!! NERF SMERIT,


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: Braydean on April 08, 2018, 04:28:38 PM
Is their any other way to get merited even if we are not posting a constructive posts ?


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: fabioganga on April 08, 2018, 07:18:52 PM
Is their any other way to get merited even if we are not posting a constructive posts ?

I don't think so unfortunately. And even constructive, helpful posts don't always get merit. This system seriously needs reviewing if not scrapping. The way it is currently is not working as it should.

Just my two cents, of course.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: wwzsocki on April 09, 2018, 01:49:31 AM
Why you just don't use the "report to moderator" button when doing your investigations?

I think this kind of topics should be prohibited and only allowed in special threads created by mods or stuff where you can report merit system abuse but you will not be rewarded for this with merits.

I am sure this will stop a lot of users from investigating this abuse especially low-rank members because they are doing this for merits and this is obvious. Maybe not everybody like always but most of them.

Once again I think that merit abuse should be reported only using the report button.



I disagree, it seems like a very reasonable topic for the Meta section of Bitcointalk.

Why start a new topic if there is plenty of these topics in meta section?

You can add your findings there or use the report button if you really don't do it to get merits.

When you hit report button you can add all your links and text there.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on April 09, 2018, 01:56:49 AM
THAT WHY IAM DISAGREED ABOUT MERIT !! HIGH RANK CAN SELL MERIT TO OTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH SMERIT!! NERF SMERIT,
What are you blib-blabbering about here?  Who are you accusing of abusing the merit system?  From everything I've seen, it's usually low-ranked shitposters who are the worst offenders.  If you've got proof of something, bring it on, else be silent.  At least don't rage in upper caps.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: ducdr on April 09, 2018, 01:59:57 AM
Why you just don't use the "report to moderator" button when doing your investigations?

I think this kind of topics should be prohibited and only allowed in special threads created by mods or stuff where you can report merit system abuse but you will not be rewarded for this with merits.

I am sure this will stop a lot of users from investigating this abuse especially low-rank members because they are doing this for merits and this is obvious. Maybe not everybody like always but most of them.

Once again I think that merit abuse should be reported only using the report button.


Briefly, this is one of the most favorable approach of merit beggars to earn merits. Serious users, especially high ranked users tend to hate spammers, merit farmers, merit exchangers, hence they tend to give their sMerits away easier to such merit-abused report.
I highly appreciate the topic author to catch those abusers and help cleaning up the forum. However, I don't think that spend most of time in the forum to do this task is the right decision.
Instead, users should focus on their learning process, spend most of their time to learn, and help other members (if they have ability to help based on their current knowledge, skills, experience). If they find abusers by chance, let's report them to moderators.
I don't think they should only focus on finding and reporting abusers during their time in the forum.
Cheers,


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: wwzsocki on April 09, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
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This is great that this OP investigates this abuse and I appreciate this too.

Still, if we fight spam then there should be a pinned topic for merit system abuse where you can add your findings. Why open hundred merit abuse threads?



Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: 1993jochico on April 09, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
Briefly, this is one of the most favorable approach of merit beggars to earn merits. Serious users, especially high ranked users tend to hate spammers, merit farmers, merit exchangers, hence they tend to give their sMerits away easier to such merit-abused report.
I highly appreciate the topic author to catch those abusers and help cleaning up the forum. However, I don't think that spend most of time in the forum to do this task is the right decision.
Instead, users should focus on their learning process, spend most of their time to learn, and help other members (if they have ability to help based on their current knowledge, skills, experience). If they find abusers by chance, let's report them to moderators.
I don't think they should only focus on finding and reporting abusers during their time in the forum.
Cheers,
No for me its worth it! Aside from contributing a good thing in this community, I really hate those kind of users because it decreases our chance to get some merit they are affecting the circulation and that is why I want them to get punished by the admins.

This is great that this OP investigates this abuse and I appreciate this too.

Still, if we fight spam then there should be a pinned topic for merit system abuse where you can add your findings. Why open hundred merit abuse threads?


As I already stated in the OP, I separated this topic because it is a big one case if this case is not that big I will add this to my old merit abuse compilation.

There is no rules here I violated and I dont do this for merits for me the big reward here is to get them punished and merit is just a bonus.

Edit: Besides I already know that it will be too impossible for me to rank up to Full-member because I know how hard to get merits now.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: DarkKnightNeverDie on April 09, 2018, 02:59:34 PM
Hunting merit abusers, then you will collect enough merits to move up to Full member rank.
However, hunting is no longer a hot trend for merit beggars.

What's next if you can not find abusers in the next 6-9 months (just assumption), you will fall further behind others due to you don;'t spend your time to get more knowledge, and mainly focus on hunting abusers.
Anyway, Good luck with your approach.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: Melvin Narag on April 09, 2018, 03:44:28 PM
People report others as this way, and I hate to admit it, but this kind of people are envious of others,  I saw thread same like this before... he just need to place it there and not to create another thread for him to say "I made separately" or just pm moderators and they will just do their part...
Tsk.....

This could just lead to spam conversation...


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: coolcoinz on April 09, 2018, 04:13:37 PM
Obvious sock puppets. One of the biggest giveaway is the fact that nobody ever post their location on their profile, yet this person did on all of the accounts. I guess thinking that by putting different countries it would be less connecting.

It's some Russian farmer. Probably most of them are the same person, or they met in the Russian local section and decided to help each other with merits.
I wonder why they're taking the risk when it's so easy to spot. I don't think going from Sr to Hero is worth negative trust exposing all your farmed accounts.

This guy posts almost exclusively by copying articles into the press section:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=856233
And claims to be located in Canada.

I expect that it's his way of farming English posts that count towards the campaign that he's in. In reality the account belongs to a Russian poster. Almost all his early posts were in that language, but the campaigns didn't want to pay for that so he had to adjust. Now he couldn't get merift for those copied posts so he had to adjust again and give some merit to himself.

Don't be a rat. Jeez.

I think it's great that people are reporting these abusers. Merit was introduced to fight spam and if you look at their posts you'll notice that merit abusers are spammers and account farmers at the same time.


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: jakeshadows27 on April 09, 2018, 10:52:45 PM
Those merit farmer is selfish not all high rank use their power to get merit but it better to get merit with your own cleverness not on buying to make shortcut it like a student you just buying your grade maybe those account is like that merit system is made to make you work hard it not easy get but it will give to the best.please do not buy merit i just making your account to have bad reputation and unfair to other .


Title: Re: BIG! Merit Farming
Post by: Labay on April 11, 2018, 09:56:43 AM
THAT WHY IAM DISAGREED ABOUT MERIT !! HIGH RANK CAN SELL MERIT TO OTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH SMERIT!! NERF SMERIT,

Don't be angry because of the new system , moderators want us to be more helpful than just copy paste somebody else post , don't be like that , instead of showing that you disagreed you should be thankful because our mod are just molding us to a better poster , not some S poster you know what I mean. Not to discouraged you but learn and read don't waste your time.