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The owner of bitvegas and bitads.net claims that bitads.net and bitvegas.com were both made insecure by a security flaw. He said no players would be affected by this exploit. After lying and saying everyone would be repaid he has decided not to re-pay me the 7.5 btc I had setting in my account.

This is what had taken place in bitvegas.

I wanted to withdraw 7.5 BTC from my account after placing bets to increase my loss from previous bets. I thought it would be easy to withdraw as I have done it quite a few times before. Bitvegas' wallet had insufficient funds so I figured I would wait for him to refill the wallet. I thought no problem. I waited about two days to log back in and got a huge surprise, it was missing leaving me with questions without any answers. I know that no one could have withdrawn it due to the wallet having insufficient funds. So, someone had hacked into his minecraft server and gambled my money because the hacker couldn't withdraw because of having insufficient funds in the admin's wallet.

A few days after this incident he boldly admits that someone had access to all of the user's accounts.
The hacker was smart enough to notice there was not enough BTC in the wallet to withdraw my 7.5btc so he boldly gambled it and lost. According to a reddit posted by the site's admin, he said he would pay back all players. He refuses to pay any of it. I have all his information and have submitted it to further investigate him and all of his activities online and offline.

I have suspicion to believe he may have taken it himself.

Another hack he boldly admits was with a user named em202020. He stole 40 BTC from the wallet of bitvegas. After I had mentioned this, he said no player ever had access to minecraft's server. What do you know a few days after my BTC was stolen he admitted a user using CraftBukkit had access into his server.

Bitads.net, another one of his sites was also hacked into https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328887.0

Probably this is a scheme pretending to repay his users by saying he will repay all of them and not actually repaying them. He is pretending these are hacks and he is actually the culprit. He says it was my fault about my password but this is not the case here.

Your suspicion is worth jack if you cannot back it up with HARD evidence.

That is why I mentioned

whats stopping you from making it public and give your accusation more weight?

1)
I find this accusation VERY hard to believe...
BitVegas has had a very positive influence on this community. He has put a lot of effort and time into his services, and he was always very quick to respond to any issues.

2)
Proof?

3)
There really was a CraftBukkit security flaw.

Just ask me for his information if anyone is in a similar situation.

1)People do sometimes get greedy.
2)I do have proof. This will not be made public right now.
3)He could have pretended to hack into his server himself.

And I just downloaded minecraft to try the server out. ;D

I would like to know for sure if this place is straight, it should be, it's a great idea.

Hey everyone. This is an old issue that happened on August 22nd, 2013.

IceCube claims that the BTC was stolen by the server (me).

We only keep a limited amount of Bitcoins in the servers withdrawal hot wallet. This is for security on the chance we get hacked, we do not lose all of our funds. When we see the hot wallet is low, we refill it.
Occasionally we get many large withdrawals while I am offline and the wallet runs dry. As soon as we notice this we top it up once again, but it does meant that withdrawals will not process until this is done.

IceCube tried to withdraw and that the wallet was empty. What happened the next day was the funds were gambled and lost on the games. I received a message from IceCube saying his BTC was missing.

I checked the logs and I saw IceCube's failed withdraw attempt (due to the wallet being empty). But during the time the BTC was gambled away our withdrawal hot wallet had over 15 BTC remaining it. So if an attacker gained access to IceCube's account they could of easily withdrawn it.

It is true we have been hacked in the past. We are very open about when this happens. You can see the BitVegas hack here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lx1y4/minecraft_casino_bitvegas_hacked_and_poker_alpha/
And the BitAds.net hack here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=267825.msg3528865#msg3528865

The issue involving the spoofed packets used to login (linked above) was using a vulnerable CraftBukkit version that was patched in on September 4th (3 days before the hack). This was our biggest hack to date and all BTC was covered by us. IceCube's incident happened prior to August 22nd so it could not of been part of this attack.

Also. The incident involving em202020 that IceCube brings up. This was involving a bug in our withdraw system where if you managed to confirm a withdrawal and cancel it at exactly the right time, the funds would both be sent via the blockchain to you and refunded to your account. No player accounts were affected as it was taken directly from the casino's balance. Em202020 did actually send most of the BTC back. He had spent some buying a BFL Jalapeño so we were about 3-4 BTC short I believe. These BTC were obviously covered by the casino and not removed from any players accounts.

We have no reason and no evidence to believe that IceCube's account was breached on the server side. The only way the funds could of been withdrawn at this time was by someone having access to IceCube's Minecraft login details. This logical outcomes from this is that someone had access to his computer or that his Minecraft account info was stolen.

We cannot cover a players losses in this circumstance. Any player could login, gamble their BTC away and then claim that it wasn't them that did the gambling. This would be disastrous for the casino.

We sent IceCube a log of his accounts entire history, including all bets, logins, and deposits/withdrawals.

In the end we know that a lot has happened in the Bitcoin world of services and it's up to you to make your own mind up about who you trust. We have been around for a long time now and plan to be here much longer.

BitVegas is a scam my wallet had .22 BTC in it and it was withdrawn D:

Happened in August 20 something (don't' recall exact date now, already gave up).. My minecraft account had a very strong password. I'm sure bitvegas is making things up, never even responded to me.

Hello. I do not recall being made aware of this issue? What was your Minecraft username and how did you try to contact us?

Stop throwing dirt at bitvegas.
If the Issue was really around August, why did you never bother to make a statement on this very forum?

Haha, just pay up BitVegas. You will be forever known as a scammer if you don't :)

Yes, it took me forever to contact him about my issue. Please contact me for his information and I will gladly give you everything!

He said he would take care of it. Obviously other users are having problems.
My issue happened before the attack. What is your problem? There have been a tremendous amount of your so called vulnerabilities and hackers appear to be WAY smarter than you. Obviously he was smart enough to only hack my account because I am the user who has deposited the most at BitVegas. Even the old version was vulnerable. You are not making sense. Good luck getting out of this one! I have all the proof I need.

I have had five people PM me about your operations being a scam. I will also send them all the information.

Your original message was sent to me via bitcointalk PM on: August 22, 2013, 03:27:43 AM
My reply was delivered: August 22, 2013, 04:02:49 PM

No other users are having problems besides the "5" you speak of and the newest one from fligen in which I am yet to hear a response to. If any other users are having problems please let us know asap (please include your Minecraft username).

We have had some issues in the past, I wouldn't call 2 attacks a tremendous amount (3 including bitads). We have never before had a direct attack on a single users account. If it was an attacker that got access to the server, he could of withdrawn/gambled one of the many higher users balances, or even multiple users balances. Only yours was affected that day, and even though your balance could of been easily withdrawn, it was gambled away.
We have had many high rollers, some in the 100s of BTC's in BitVegas. You were not considered a high roller at the time. None of them have ever had an issue. I am very sorry that we cannot come to a conclusion on this.

I am sorry that this has upset you how it has. But unfortunately there is nothing on our end we can do. I hope in time you can come to see us as a trusted service.

I have been trying to contact you on Skype with one of your staff members trying to get into contact with you also before this. I even added you, but still no response.
Oh, so you're going to help other users and not me? That is a lie. There was no one with a higher balance than my account. I can check, you know.

I will legally get all of my BTC back from you. I am guaranteed this by my investigation in BitVegas and your personal life. HaHaha. Too late to pretend I won't. Thanks!

I see I accepted someone on skype by the name of "XCUBE" on august 20th, which I see is your account. You then first messaged me via skype on August 22nd. The same day we started communicating via PM.
Yes, I will help any user with a problem. You claim that you know 5 other users that had funds stolen but I am yet to hear from any of them. I cannot help you any further with yours as there is nothing left to do.

Many players had a larger balance, but that is irrelevant. Our biggest player (mLiberty) deposited 242 BTC.

The funds will not be returned as there is no reason to do so.

The plot thickens.

Not only is this is months ago when btcusd was much lower, but mLiberty knows you personally and you have purchased Bitcoin from him. That doesn't count. It's like saying your mother gave your video game 10/10.

I did some investigation early on due to my 0.22 BTC theft (obviously from murderscene), but can't be bothered anymore. Good luck.

Look here, use the free trial (cancel afterwards, I've already used mine for previous investigations)

http://www.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/?q=bitjes.us

I was sent a message to look into this thread. If you would like to file a complaint with us at http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/file-a-complaint/ (http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/file-a-complaint/) be more than happy to investigate.

I'm sorry IceCube but unless you have something new to bring to the table. We consider this matter closed for the time being.

As far as I can see this is nothing more than an attack on BitVegas's reputation. We see that you have begun mass messaging people about this.

We are more than happy to undergo any investigation like the one mentioned above. Trust and reliability from our members is of upmost importance. It will help straighten everythign out.

Like I said earlier I was never informed by this issuie. If you provide your Minecraft username I can check the logs to see when, where, and why this happened. How come this issue never came up until now?

Hello, this is a part of a huge ongoing investigation and I have been having ongoing conversations with other people to help investigate. There is a group of us investigating his claims and getting all the information we can get. Sorry, but it is too late to deny these claims as we have all of your personal information and we will be taking legal action. Also this was not to be made public as we would like you to delete that post. It was posted in AIM to be able to contact us. Sorry, for the misunderstanding.

Your letting your own reputation falter. This message was never going to be made public, nor did anyone ask the sent admins to make it.
I'm sorry BitVegas but all of your lies are having a huge downfall on your reputation.

As I posted before, he had deposited less BTC than me! :)

I received the same message except that the sender was identified as bitcoininvestigation@aim.com instead of bitcoininvestigation@aol.com ::)

And for that matter, no, I haven't had any problems with either BitVegas or BitAds. BitAds has worked far better than Operation Fabulous for me.

I find it funny that he lies about his own name http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX_2VGdXv78

Watch the whole video to hear that he has hired a bitcoin lawyer! Haha Guy Kilgour. You don't even know all the information I have about you. Offline and online... Please pay me back! I know you are scamming me and my fellow players. As I've said before. I have all the proof I need.

He has his own channel here http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJOpBdPW9oYHvppoqA9b6Gw?feature=watch
Now watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25EzwaVumN8. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? HE IS GUY KILGOUR AGAIN!

Mitchell, I'm sorry he has betrayed you with his fake name. I'm very sorry...

*cough* You must be extremely deaf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jX_2VGdXv78#t=1570
26.14 - 26.18: "Join us on the line is Paul, the creator and owner of BitVegas".
Also, the voice of the guy that you linked doesn't sound like him. It may be Australian, but that doesn't prove anything.

Stop making up stuff. It won't help you.

Ok is this enough proof? MURDERSCENE=BITVEGAS ADMIN https://www.facebook.com/pages/Murderscene-Productions/152198601369?sk=info.

So a guy has a Facebook page which has the same name as the BitVegas Owner Minecraft name and you instantly assume that they are the same even when I just proved that his name is not Guy? Damn.
Oh look, here is his Twitter account! https://twitter.com/murderscene

You have no proof about anything what so ever. I rest my case.

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EDIT: I was very wrong. :/

Do I still need to file a complaint?
I'm sorry but I KNOW it is. They are both from Australia and I have tons of proof.

So show us this "tons of proof".

"They are both from Australia" is not sufficient evidence to back up your claim, either show us your evidence or your accusation means nothing.

Furthermore, how is the owner's identity relevant to you getting back your 7.5 BTC?

http://wa-com.com/bitads.info

Guy Kilgour has registered both domains www.bitjes.us linking to www.bitvegas.com and bitads.info. This is proof that he owns bitads.info along with proof that his site was infected with malware detected http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1jo4jg/i_created_a_new_website_to_provide_a_fair/

I'm sorry he has been lying to you :(

Well I guess BitVegas' lies came back to haunt him in the end.

Yes, because 20 minutes of silence means you automatically won the argument. Go you! ;)

Besides, I have no idea how the supposed "malware" makes him a scammer, especially since it was a short-lived issue that was only picked up by a few antivirus programs.

Yes I like to keep my personal information private. Anonymity is one of the reasons I am into Bitcoin in the first place.

Your argument seems to be that if you can find out my personal identity, somehow that means you have won the case?

The Malware thing is just silly. It was a problem that was being reported by a couple of services on launch day only which was fixed up very quickly. There was no malware on the site and any user who viewed the code could see it was plain and simple.

I'm sorry but like I said I won't be replying anymore unless there is something new brought to my attention. All this is doing is dragging out an old issue and beating a dead cat.

We are happy to undergo any investigation by a trusted firm to look into the validity of our services, or to help any of the "5" other users you claim were also stolen from that I am still waiting to hear from.

Could you get in contact with me regarding provable fairness you claim you offer on the website? We would like to verify and add you to the provable fair page.

Sure. We can talk via PM here on skype under "BitVegas". Is that ok?

As I am aware, only some of his games have provable fairness.

BitVegas I have already won this case. I have been in contact with your local law and will indeed be getting my BTC back. Sorry, buddy :)

I've removed my negative trust rating pending further research.

(ongoing) [SCAM] BitAds.net and BitVegas.net
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499972.0

[FULL DOX] (SCAMMER) Guy Kilgour / BitVegas / BitAds / Murderscene
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796673.0

OP, that sucks.  sorry to read you got scammed.