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Hey guys, I have been trading altcoins and getting awsome results.. i'm a day trader, with a good forex background. I was trying to find out a way to get the initial investment.. Take a loan is not a option i guess, because it could increase the pressure in making money which could result in negative results.. I can even prove my skills for people interested in investing but I have never made it. I mean, invest peoples money with slave accounts and all.. Its just what i was thinking about.. What do you guys recomend that i should do to get this initial investment?

You'll have to excuse me if I'm dubious of your claims. I don't believe you're a professional day trader with a "good forex background" as you say. Why? Because if you were truly that successful, you wouldn't be at a loss for an initial investment capital.

In crypto, especially during this bear market (which we're finally leaving! YES!), a great investment capital would be $1,000, because things will jump 10x in price due to the recovery into the bull market.

If you don't have $1,000 of free funds that you can afford to lose... then you're not a successful day trader.

I am more inclined that you have to find capital from the profit you get right now, you have to try from the smallest thing because it also will help you have experience and you will also automatically get the skill. Trading also requires patience, make sure that the emotional control is good because it will greatly affect what will be obtained.

Never give up, if you experience failure then it is a lesson. try and keep trying, everyone who is doing with focus and good will definitely get the best.

If you really have that much skills then I would say you get started with initial funds from friends or family as borrowed money. I mean if you are rally skilled one then you could turn that money into golds and diamonds in no time. Thus you will return it back to the loved once and you will have profits in your hand which you can use for the further development.

If you really are what you think then try to get vouched for yourself in the services section and provide enough proof and offer services to others. If everything goes smooth and legal way then you may get started over there.

I wouldn't say that much, I mean you can still be a successfull trader (in the long run) with some short term losses. I also wouldn't even peg a value of money that you can afford to lose, as that makes no sense. If you want to invest in crypto with any amount you have then go ahead and do it, nothing is going to stop you from doing it. Use your skills as you think they work, and if they don't then swallow your losses and leave -- dont continue to dig a hole.

If you are a professional trader then you must have good capital though,its okay you can earn some money though participating from bounties.I heard that some people were earning $2000 per month by participating in the social media bounties so if you have time for that then participate in all the good project bounties then you may have enough investment to start day trading in some month but you need time and effort to make money.

Do you think that instead of a loan, will someone give you their crypto coins for free :)? Most likely, you are not sure of success and seek to avoid responsibility for a loan taken and subsequently lost.

I think first you need to save some money from your regular earnings and then use that money for trading.


What did you do all your awesome profits from your forex trading?

If you're successful over there then I don't think you would need to open this thread to ask ideas for the initial investment.


It is wise thinking because you never should invest money which you borrow from others for interest. You need to find other means to earn money first for your initial investment then come back to crypto trading.

As in, it's difficult to believe in, that you can say a good trader, if you one of them, why should be regret the amount should be lose? a good trader i think even small amount they have,should be good profit returned after all,and such to be her say,develop your knowledge and skill before develop your pocket.Because in the trading business you must to be patient,hard work,motivation and determination, the swollen to be learn from other things is more that you will get  more knowledge at the near future.

Is it really that difficult to work a job and set money aside to trade with?  Even people who are flat broke can cut back on something to save money here.  Although, you could argue that you're in no position to day trade at all if you're truly that broke I suppose.  Either way, you're going to find it extremely difficult to find someone to stake you with trading money here.  You could always borrow money from family or friends, but I would highly advise against that.  If something isn't yours it tends to change how you view the trades and makes you more emotional, which will lead to disaster.  That's for me anyways, I'd never borrow money to trade with though.

you say that you are a day trader with a good forex background and I think you make a profit from forex trading, right? and if you can make a profit then it means you can have your money, why you need other people to invest with you to start in cryptocurrency? you can do with your own money and you can do trade with a good knowledge. I think that you don't have asked other people to invest their money, it is better to use your own money to start and you can make a profit in cryptocurrency.

Having good skills but having no money for investment is a matter of concern.
You have the potential to become rich because you have good skills.
Maybe you are wrong in a zone that is less support your potential.
We recommend if you want to invest and your capital a little.
I suggest you follow the Bounty / Airdrops program.
Bounty / Airdrops can provide Bitcoin / Altcoin to you and if collected in a long time you will have much capital to buy Bitcoin and Altcoin you can invest.

LMAO
>Take a loan is not a option i guess, because it could increase the pressure in making money which could result in negative results..
>*looking for someone who'll give him an amount of money to invest*
 ;D ;D ;D

What is the difference between borrowed and someone's invested funds?

I myself was in the same situation. Good profit on Forex can give or intraday trading with high risks, or long-term with good capital. Intraday trading requires many years of practice and a good trading system. All these years it is necessary to earn money for life in other way. A vicious circle that can last for many years. Bounty helped me.

You can make money out of your trading skills like you do tutorial for trading then ask for some professional fee or in exchange of some altcoins as a payment for your service then if you can accumulate enough amount of money like 1000 USD then you can start your trading business, i bet you have that potential to have a good financial status in the future if you use your skills in a rightful manner.

Absolutely right. How can we say that he is a successful trader when he himself didn’t lose something to his initial capital investment. For us to get started with cryptocurrency trading, we definitely need to have a good substantial amount of capital that we could afford to lose. There is no way that he calls himself a successful trader if he himself does not have any capital to invest on which are coming from his losses.

I have good suggestion for you!

Work little hard and smart on your BCT account. Get your self some merits and then you will automatically get upgraded to the upper ranks. Once you are eligible for the signature campaigns then just get enrolled into one of them. Work hard for them for at least a month and you should be having some real bucks in your bitcoin wallet straight away. If you need more then just take another one month to earn more. Once you think that you have enough to trade then just stop and start trading with your own money and well you already got the skills too!

Problem Solved!

I entered crypto world not directly trading because there was a first problem, it was financial capital.

Then i tried to found how can i find it. At the end i was introducing with AIRDROP by my friend. Even though in the first i was doubt it but i can deny i'm holding the result from the airdrop.

Then i develop with trading, your capacity problem in trading it's up to you how to value it.

And the solution,
Looking for financial capital on airdrop or bounty campaigns. You will find in this forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0

This sounds like a fair argument, but the op could be investing low sums with comparably high profits which didn't get him much money, because the initial investments were low. He could've also already spent the money on something specific and so now is low on funds.
I know there's this practice in gambling when people give their money to famous players and hope to get some profit because of the good game. Perhaps, something like this could take place in the world of trading. Surely, though, the op has to prove that he made some very successful investments before.

Hmmm. Seems very contradictory to me (bolded statement). You mentioned that you are getting results and from my understand you are getting good profits then why the hell you are looking of initial investment then? Why not used all your so called awesome results to re-invest instead of asking around to put some "trust" in you. I'm pretty sure that you will get no one here even if you proved that you are indeed a good trader.

Don't trade other people's money! And do not take a loan! You already recognized these two options as "bad" choices which is good.
If I were you I would just take some of my salary and use it for trading, of course only if there's some money left at the end of the month. And if it's not enough, try to look if you can tighten your belt. Make a list of how much you pay for food, what kind of food, clothes, cigarettes, booze or any other things (monthly bills for your smartphone contract, TV channel packages etc). You may be surprised for how much useless or not really needed stuff you pay money. I recognized that I spend a lot of money for useless things and was able to reduce my costs significantly.

You can help me creating a good trading strategy for a bot and bot can earn for you :P

Yes ! Most people is having a great skill and knowledge about trading of cryptocurrencies but most of them have nothing to invest. So my only advice to them is to join airdrop, referral programs and participate in bounty campaigns so that they can make money out of the rewards that they will get through the programs, these rewards can be used for their investments in cryptocurrencies.

Hey guys, thanks for all the info!!

It's great to hear about such thing. In forex, almost all the ways to get money besides trading were about getting referals in pyramidal systems lol

The problem is that my regular earnings do not give me enought money for this, but I will try to save everything that I can

When I was in forex, I learned how to trade first.. I did not invest too much. so when I left trading, I decided to move to another job
but I studied a lot about trading tecnics

I dont want you to belive in it, I'm just asking for sugestions.. In your position, I would not belive in me too hahah but i can prove what I'm saying, so it is a plus!

I was just thinking about it.. It's pretty hard to deal with money, specially other people money.. but if you invest people money, it might be by your rules.. if you get bank money it will be by the bank rules. I think that the pressure is the same

it is something that I will surely search about!!

Thanks, I'm going to search about it

Yes, at least for now \o/ I need more exp before starting messing with people's money

I tried a lot making robots for metatrader in forex hedging channels with martingale and even Machine Learning lol with no success.. I see people selling robots and people buying it which is insanely crazy because why the hell would someone sell a money machine for some hundred bucks lel


The forex market is for big players imo, all the leverage needed for retail traders make the whole thing a nightmare.. 5% a month consistently would be a insanely good amount of money.. that's because I left forex, even doing the best performace it was not enought.. But in cryptos, with small amounts of money (which is alot for me) you can make returns like 100% a month.. I can almost feel exaclty what is happening with the price, because we have in crypto trading what in forex only the hedge funds (and the big players ) have.. also we do not need to laverage our money , it make things waaaay better..

I'm not saying that i'm the best trader in the world \o/ it is not easy to make money as it seems to be.. I'm even afraid of my results because it is too good to be true, but i'm testing everything.. even in falling markets it proved to work pretty well which is insanly craazy.. all the info from the crypto markets make it possible.. I would not be able to make the same performace in forex, there are too many negative points in it.. for now, I will try to help whatever I can and go for those airdrops and bounties.. this info was gold, thanks fellas!

any other info is heavly appreciated!!

successfull trader with ideas of loan as an initial investment? these things are completely contradictive.
but if you are really so - go to bank, take credits, pledge your house/car, borrow from friends. profit!

Your understanding that taking a loan for trading can only put you under pressure and subsequently losing out gives me the impression your claim to be a knowledgeable and experienced trader may not be far from the truth. However you seem not to have realized that the first capital needed in any business isn't money. Ideas are truly the first capital and when you one, it would lead you to where the capital is or can be found, because it would be like a fire in you firing you up.

You don't need to start with people's money either, because of yet another form of pressure, instead give trading a break and throw your weight behind gathering some funds (this forum is already a right place) and then start not minding how little - the knowledge you have, overtime would bring the multiplier effect. Your performance with the little capital will then either attract investors to you or chase them further away.

If you accept that you have a skills to earn from trade, then you should make money from little capital. Now change your mind and develop that skill which you make more money from little capital. It is also easy now i give you my example when i started trading or investment in bitcoin that time i was nothing. But i did prove it that i could make money from little capital and i rely you could also do it.

Wise words.. I appreciate it!

Do you guarantee that you are good at what you do right? so take the risk, sell something that you do not need in real life and you will not miss it and buy bitcoin or ask your parents for money and buy bitcoin, you will have months to have bitcoin free if you go that way ( bounty... ), better Option is you buy bitcoin, bet on your skill. Now something you should not do is: make loan, do not do this

Selling your stuff or borrowing money without interest  to your relatives is the best way..if you really think you have the skills and potential to earn big  with trading then TAKE THE RISK..

sometimes what we think is not necessarily true, and whether we are really smart to do what we have done now, it is not necessary, it is only for the beginning and we should not be happy and pride ourselves with what we have today, today we get a big profit, not necessarily tomorrow we will get it back, what else for day trader, so I think there is nothing wrong if some of which you currently invest with bitcoin or other altcoin that you think you can make long-term investment.

You better start even with small capital because you said you have the skills so small capital is enough for you to make it big in day trading, don't be too greedy because even if you have the skills but luck doesn't comes you will surely lose. I'm not giving negative vibes to you but let's face the reality here in crypto industry that it's hard to look for big capital just because you have skills. Start with your money and day by day trading and just a matter of time you will surely earn profit and by there you can start increasing your trading range amount.

I am actually unable to invest anything before because I don't have enough capital to use so I tried joining bounty campaigns and airdrops which brought me a lot of opportunities to gain good tokens to hold and through that, I was able to earn something to invest. Skills matter if we don't have much capital.

If you got great skill I think it won't be difficult for you to make profit into your capital, and if you are so confident with your skill then you won't be hesitate to make a loan because you can get the profit easily, I think the best thing is to collect the capital slowly by faucets or airdrop or doing bounty or sell your stuff

My goal now is 1000$ I will try what was said here.. I'm afraid of scams lol time is money and invest my time in useless things would be horrible.. I will try to find legit things

Just join some bounty campaigns in here if you don't have money for now. With your skills as what you claimed, you would be able to obtain a profit even if you started with a low amount. I, myself is trading as well but I am just starting and learning every day. I did not invest money or invested fiat for my trading capital. I just earn it from bounty campaigns here and when it is enough for me, I just deposited it to an exchange and start trading. I invested my time and energy first to earn my trading capital instead of fiat money and I guess you can do it too.

if you have skills but do not have a trading capital what if you start to save money you have from real life or you try to find a job so you have the capital to trade and apply your skills.

Well you can do margin trading if you so much beleive in yourself!
And if you are asking a loan there is another topic for that , trading need a capital if you don't have it better find a way to get it first.

Try to make money for trading somewhere else. Let it be not the last amount of money yon have. Otherwise, you`ll lose your sleep, trying not to lose your  money.

Sir if you are really a good professional say trader then why don't you arrange funds from your friend's circle, parents, Relative and Neighbours who believe you and can lend you at least $1000 to $2000 as a loan and you can give them back once you gain profit from your invested capital. I don't think approaching this forum member and requesting them any kind of amount as the loan will not solve your problems. You better maintain a track list for every trading year so that you can show your track record to those financiers who are interested to do the trading business with you. If you are really talented then you will surely meet success in your life.

Do you know why you don't have money for trading? Because intraday trading brings more losses than profits. I have experience in this.

Trading is profitable in most cases when you are trading with your investors ' money and do not bear any risks. Half the profit to you, all the loss to investors.

honestly, I am also one of those who started in crypto without any capital. What I did was I joined signature campaigns and airdrops which gave me an opportunity to earn and have holdings which really made things better. I didn't take my savings at risk by investing all of it. Through my earnings in airdrops and bounties, I was able to invest and hold more.

Successful trader with no money... Sounds like successful car mechanic with no hands :)

Maybe he is looking to start trading in a big range I think but what we can do here if he has money he can do it if he doesn't have just keep doing what younare doing until niw and save money and then start trading.If you have free time left then join in the bounties and signature campaign and make some money which can help you to get some money for trading.

If you cannot even risk your own money, how can you persuade others into investing into you. Members here already seen a lot of scammers and they won't fall easily.

You can take the money from your forex background and invest it in crypto. Make it grow, then show your results. Maybe then, you can have some investors put money into you.

Why would intra day trading brings more looses than profit, i really cannot understand the reason, why you want to sell them at a loss, when there was a big rally anyone who does intra day trading could make a healthy profit at the end of the day and if the market goes down, just hold on to the coins and watch the market carefully and if the market is not showing a big negative swing just hold on to your coins till you end up in a profit, what is difficult in that.

Entrusting you money would really be hard yet you didnt even put up your myfxbook results or profile which the community would able to see on how well you are on doing trading.If you are good on forex background? why wont pull out those funds? it isnt really necessary for you to have big bankroll yet you can able to earn gradually to make it big.As i have read you are already trading altcoin with good results which i can presume you do have some enough money to start on. Just proceed though.

You can talk with somebody you personally know, offer an evidence of your great trading skills, and say, invest in me, I`ll trade - You`ll get profit, of loan, yeah...

Easy thing to say but would really be hard to convince someone to take a loan or borrow money because they dont even trust on the things you are saying.Lucky for you if you do able to convince them but i believe it wont really be an easy.If you really persevere such target then you wont really have any choice but to took up a loan,it do really gives pressure because you need to repay but you should do your job and set aside those worries and do your job yet you are confident with your skills then expect some good results.

What I really like in here is that most users  are trying to help with GREAT comments!  :D
I will take a deep read in the forum rules and think in something.. Will try to make things clear for everyone.. My mind is filled with lots of creativity now \o/
I really appreciate every comment

So then don't invest. If you don't have the ability to put some money on the side to invest in this tech, you shouldn't be trying to get into some bad things (like loans) to try to do it. If you can budget some money (a VERY SMALL AMOUNT) on the side to invest in bitcoin, then do it. But if you can't then that's fine. Bitcoin is like penny stocks, it has an insane volatility and could go to zero at any moment.

So I wouldn't stress yourself out overit, it's fine. Work hard though, earn some money!

Your topic’s name sounds ridiculous. Don’t take sin at heart, leave confiding people alone.

There are contradicting sentence said by you, if you are getting awesome results with alt coin day trading why are you planning to scout more investment, if you are that good taking a loan is the best option, hope you are having good credit and you can approach a bank and get a loan and start trading if you are that confident rather than collecting money from people promising them profit. :P

You think that taking a loan could end up in a loss because of the pressure but taking money from investors wont. ::)

Its really very contradicting yet he had mentioned earlier that he do earn decent with altcoin trading which he had really the capital to start on.
I don't know where he get that thought on having a pressure on loans but don't have any problems on using investors money? It do turns out to be shady on my part.

Join bounties - earning without investments:)

Just take a look in my early answer \o/

Hey my friend,

I think the problem is here with your claim that you are stating that you have good skills at trading altcoins but you can't afford $1000 bucks to trade with, if I assume now it might be because your previous trades were not successful otherwise it would be no problem as a good trader to have a bit of start capital. But that's only a thought and isn't necessarily the case.

In regards to taking loans to trade with: BAD IDEA! In general, you should only invest what you are willing to lose and not take loans and gamble your life away. Please be responsible.

However, I have a solution for you: Find an Airdrop Event of Tokens that will give you a good amount of Tokens for Free wait for them to hit an exchange and proof us all wrong!

You can find the Airdrops that are posted on Bitcoin Talk here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CiQRYU3JJyUnekC77DCG_7OgVUCeZy9l9KLaCaEwSik/edit#gid=0

Best Regards
eLira

Lol exactly, it doesnt make any sense. Using the investors money as a capital, which would actually a lot of people getting involved financially couldnt make any pressure to you?
If the OP really eager to trade without owing someone a capital, why dont he sell something from his asset? Sell his car, furniture, or something that is of high value ( I assume he's looking to put a huge capital for trading). In that way the pressure could be lessen.

By joining a lots of bounties and campaign is the one main reason to be able to earn a lots of money to invest. And started a day trade. To collect and earned money is the best to start and use it to invest or to trade.

I did get exactly what I wanted to know.. Thank you guys who gave me all these precious tips!! ;D