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Now we have a problem with Newbie -great project- spammers and only options are is to report them to the moderator. Then mods going to delete those post but that has already happened. This is a suggestion how to prevent spam emerging.
With limiting the number of posts which Newbie(i think Jr.members need to be in this group) can post daily, it is necessary to get approval for each post before publishing. So it can't be published any post without approving from forum moderators. Yes there can be a problem it is a lot of job for forum admins and mods, but this can be facilitated if more members are included in the moderation.
How does it look? By default, moderators, admins and DT members can approve or deny publishing new posts from Newbie and Jr.members  plus there is need to add for example +100 other verified members which can vote/approve post to be published.
So, all of the new posts must have 5 votes to be approved or 2/3 of quotas set. In this way, the ability to manipulate multi-accounters would be reduced. Multi accounts owner if they pass verification can't manipulate to publish their alternative accounts posts.
Allowed posts going to be published, denied going to trash. Accounts with 30 posts and 90% denied posts going to be banned(numbers and percents is just for example)
Verified spam-catcher members would be interested in moderate and vote for post-approval, maybe they can get some benefit here. Something like merit but can be named Karma points. this points can be used as a multiplier which can help them to improve his forum rank. Also, they have a limit how much votes can do it daily, then he can't improving rank only in that way. Verified users need to have 80% accuracy rate of his votes or will be removed from this list.
This would make it much more difficult for airdrops, ANN bumps, Bounty account farmers and I think from there comes the most of this shitty posts

Nope this will never solve the problem there are daily so many users joining the forum and overtime users will get bored of it and stop verifying it, i was also a newbie at a point and i would never love to wait for several hours or even days just to get my post approved, yes there is lot of spamming going on in ico threads but only solution is hiring more moderators and we reporting more and more posts

To me this just looks like another unnecessary thread made you are saying 100+ members can be hired right who has the sufficient time to first check if they are worth to be hired and then after they are hired checking his accuracy is again a waste of time

A perfect solution for this is time, all these threads made are just looking for a quick solution but we a solution which works in the long run as i have said in past we just need few more moderators and instead of spending time on writing such long and useless posts go and report them , nowadays there is no second chance i have moderators are straight away banning users which are spamming

Edit : See this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats daily 400+ newbies are joining and let's say each of them make 1-2 posts daily just imagine how much time it will waste just to review their posts
Also when legendary members are only bumping ico what else can you expect from newbies  ::)


And posting like this in the 163rd page

I'm more angry on crybabypost: How to get merit , merit for Newbie and a don't  get merit. Every day again and again. People instead useful post try to push on pity and don't try to do real good content.

Just block posting by them on most of the boards.

It not will be a thread. More like "show waiting approval posts"
100+ members, plus admins, mods, DT members. everyone to check 10 posts daily it is 1000+ possible posts less in the air.
Do you think that this 400+ newbies daily, 400 new different persons?
If they know that his post needs to be approved, and maybe can wait few hours publish probably they will stop trying.

Obviously most will be alts no doubt about but as a legendary is really easy to say but if this happened to me i would really be pissed with this system

Blocking on them from ann would be a good idea but then admin won't be able to sell copper membership anymore

In other word you are saying to close new registrations  :P

Curious to know which boards should be open for them  ::)

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By the way OP, the post really make sense. If we can control (apply manual review) newbie and Jr.Member's post then a lot of this spamming issue will be resolved.

x post with y% denied also a good idea IMO. This way the poster will think twice before posting garbage.

if the post we find is indicated spamming we can report it to the moderator. for the application of post admission system in each member will take a lot of time. at least if it is spamming there are reprimands and blocking post with a certain time for each member who violates. if you make a mistake again, the post blocking time will be added.

Perfect we can report to the moderator mate. I see the people widely spamming who are being part of bounty campaigns for tokens mate. I see the signature participants has increased their quality after merits has been implemented.
If there is any thread created for picking the bounty campaigners in high rank with the bounty signatures mate.

I suggest examples to pick these people and show out the DTs and moderators. Hope he take the suggestion...

Eh...
This topic has been discussed in the past,and most of the community(the real one) has decided that this is a big no go for obvious reasons. Mods are overloaded with work already. Not a good enough suggestion.
And the hell is merit system for? To discourage spamming of course.

Is it not possible to have pre-posting hooks that searches for this kind of stuff? Similar to pre-commit hooks on svn

So have hooks that looks for minimum post length, certain words and so on to filter out these posts.

Not an expert on this forum software though, but maybe somebody can say whether this is worthwhile or not?

I say give it some time for this merit system, to work and it will take care of a lot of these problems. If the post is worthy it may eventually get a merit. If it is spam or filler or pandering, it should get ignored. If it is vulgar, or unethical, it should get reported. Isn't this how it works?

Education of how the system works is what the newbies (like me) need. A detailed description on the merit system, with some clear examples of what is accepted or recommended, and what is forbidden could become part of  the home page. You could click on how to get started. And the more people are educated to producing high quality posts, the more the members will become self regulating.

There can be forums started for newbies, where all these steps are discussed and what is the purpose of being here and what you can do. There can be forums on how to start a forum, or topic of discussion! Maybe there are, but we don't know where to look. Because if you don't know something, you need direction on how to do it properly.  Clarity and inspiration and high standards starts from the top. I have seen this here, but perhaps a home page description of these guide lines and where to go first, might help.

If it's too complicated and to unnecessarily monitored it will become too much of a rat race maze, and more like 1984, (the book).

All I can say on this spam issue:

You can't give that which you don't have.

Those who spam don't know how not to.

Yes, but it also can be altered, just check this recent post here on the meta board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828892.0
A shit-poster merit-begger obtaining 50 merits for free, as a shameless act of farming.
I don't like to repeat myself, but I truly believe we are in a need of some "report merit abuse" button in each profile section. I am sure this will be a great tool to improve the merit system here, due to the farmer's activities and the shameless acts of many.
To pursue it, thread by thread means too much work for all. It is better to attack directly the fount, meaning, the profile, of the scammers.

Why did you include DT members as post-reviewers too? I mean they are only trusted through successful transactions and not the quality of posts they are doing or even how good they are at judging other people's posts, only a few default trust members are tagging spammy posters, merit sellers/buyers, and merit abusers and I don't think that what you are proposing it necessary for BCT because the merits system in the long run will eliminate this shit posters, they would voluntary stop posting as soon as they see that all of their spammy post are not getting any merits. This would become more effective if all of the members who have multiple accounts will run out of sMerits to give to their low ranking alts.

Also with this kind of system we are not allowing the low ranking members to improve their post, not publishing their post straightaway won't let them improve on anything, assuming that they are still not receiving any merits from their posts they will try and try to improve their post in order to get the merit they are always wanting to receive.

It is almost the same as making forum moderators look through every single newbie post but before they were posted. I can already imagine how slow it gonna work. Not all newbie users are scammers and it won't be good if someone urgently needs some help but have to wait untill his thread will pass through this moderation. It seems easier to remain the current system and just moderate the garbage that already was posted.

I've just got an idea. What if newbie and jr member user's posts simply won't bump threads? Ofcourse it won't solve all problems at one time how everyone want (which is imo very stupid) but it should eliminate bumping of different great projects without hurting the forum envioronment. At least one small step to make this forum better.

I do not agree with subject of topic as it indirectly implying that all "Newbie-Jr.Member" here are for spamming or all the spamming in this forum is done by "Newbie-Jr.Member". I can agree that there share in spamming is largest of all ranks but topic should be "about stopping spamming" and not to target  a specific ranks in this forum.

Here is my suggestions.
1. Ban all the campaigns that require user to post more than 10 post a week.
2. Formal KYC  for the accounts that are putting "Announcement" and "Bounty" threads in Alt coin board. My personal view  is that these scam developers
    are main reasons for the spam in forum.They give fraction of  there coin/token to users here to spam the forum, sell there coins/token in million dollars
    and then disappear. So basically they are able to spam the forum with zero cost incurred to themselves and without any revelation of their identity. If
    they need to reveal their identity they will not engage/promoting there scam coin in this forum.
3. Do not allow to create more than 2 accounts (or at max. 4) from same IP address and allow people to self delete there accounts.(because sometime
   people create these account for scam accusations only and do not use that account again, so deletion of these account should be allowed.)
4. Official spammer black list, if 3 posted post of a user in a week period are found spam, then disable the signature for 2 week, temporarily suspend user
   and   put formal entry of user in spammer blacklist and signature of user will be disabled until  the username is cleared from this list.
5. Attach the accounts with Phone numbers (I know Theymos/People will not agree as it will cause KYC). But I am sure Account Farmer will not keep 100's
    of active phone numbers.

I am not in favor of restrictions for new members. Just think of a situation comes to this forum through some search engine query and then registers here and makes his first post. Now if your suggestion is implemented, his post will not get approved instantly and he might leave the forum and look for alternatives.

It is a good suggestion and may tackle the spam but we also need to keep in the mind that the user experience of a genuine member should not be affected because of this.

Reporting merit abuses to mods won't help because they are already heavy-loaded with the forum's work. Reporting merit abuses would make things for the worse.

Anyhow,theymos has made his statement saying that merit abusers shall not benefit in the long run,their merit would decay and its already easy enough to find out merit abuses.

Some one wrote a code on it,to find merit abusers and he apparently found more than 1000 of them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3402060.0

Don't worry about the merit system,its here to stay and its working pretty well if you ask me,don't upset yourself over some idiots. They'll go away. Because they don't know much about bitcoin.

uhmm, don't know if this is the solution and I think it will not solve the problem. Scammers are everywhere and they are persistent also :)

The only thing we can do is report them to the Admins as soon we will se them posting scammy topics. Maybe we will discourage them for one day...  :)

That irony though  ::)

there is already merit system who stop spammers so youdont have to care about it anymore

I think manual approval for every newbie will be too much work for moderators. But I support Jet Cash's proposal:

It's not "closing new registrations", it's a practice which is common in many popular web forums. Beginners & Help (and similar sections in the Local boards) would be the most natural "cage" for newbies - in other sub-forums they should only be able to post on threads created by others.

Maybe one could also create a minimum length - for example, 100 words - for newbie posts (at least in the on-topic boards). While they could try to circumvent this restriction with copy & paste, that would be clearly a violation of the forum rules and so these people can then be instantly banned.

I agree, I'd rather stop posting rather than waiting for approval. Admins, mods, and other members won't bother checking your post. For me your solution is not the right solution for problem bitcointalk facing, merit system lessen spam a bit already as we all know there's still spammers in this forum.

I read your recommendations and while I must commend the thought put into it, its going to be more difficult to implement than the way we are seeing it. The forum is a large platform  with several complex issues to add this to it would mean more complexities. We have Mods but they are not machines, we have DT members but they are also human, we equally have high ranking members too but they are not infallible to mistakes.

What I am trying to say is the problem won't just go away like that but a gradual push by move us closer to what we want. The merit system is still the best thing to happen and if we can plug all of those people exploiting this policy, I am sure the community will be better of which it has been doing since the commencement of this era.

my friend, I do not think that it will help to change situation. This forum is living organism with it's own rules and now it is on stage of stabilizing after new rules (merit) appeared. Give it some time.

Newbies should not be prevented from the forum because they will also later become a *big fish to learn from their contributions.

There is not any prevented steps against newbies. You can see the good investors and and learning in your rank only most of the time. If you do the good quality posts then you do not need to worry about the spamming and all.
I think you may take the merit system is against you guys but factor it will regulate the quality posters to the forum.

Don't worry this will never happen, even if it did, there will be exceptions to this like buying a copper membership or any other membership or something. theymos believes in free speech. He won't let innocent people pay for some scumbags.

pioneer here in forum knows what newbie does, that is why forum give solution to that, they put merit system so that forum wont be abused by spammers and farmers.

If you know forum well you can post with a quality and by that many can help you to become a big fish by sending you merit.

I think your suggestion is a lot of work to do, even though it might work. Here is my suggestion, I think limiting their access to certain section will give more impact, it will also prevent them from spamming because of bounty. For example, we can limit Newbies account so that they may only post on Beginner and Help section. Then we can add Local Boards and Other for Jr. Member. All section will be available when account reach Full Member. Member account can access the whole forum except Marketplace.

Well i don't believe that spamming is only limited to newbies and Jr Members who don't have much to say in the forum but higher ranks do more of spam post as they are always in paid campaign and they need to meet up with their minimum post required for the week.
I think it will be better for the campaign Managers to reduce the minimum post per week and the pay out but increase the number of participants which i think will help reduce spamming since the participants will not be desperate to meet up with the minimum post and deadline.

1) This is not a good suggestion. A newbie might be joining here to ask some doubt and delay in approval will make him go to alternative forums.

2) Problem 1 can be solved with the suggestion you gave, having a lot of members in moderation team. Are we prepared for that ? The staff might be having an idea  based on how many members participate in such activities already like reporting posts here.

Lets be honest here. Who want to log in to the forum and must review posts which probably they dont like? Well i dont want to , especially if it is happen everyday, and if it is free, because not everybody has a lot of free time in this world and even if they do i guess they will be using it in another great way.

I think not only Newbies and Jr. Members are the possible and spammers already. Let us face it, everyone can be spammers and shit posters.
Limiting the number of posts will not be beneficial at all. Some newbies or low rank members can be like nullius (praising him :) ) as of knowledge and information.
I think the merit system along with the reporters and moderators are already doing great job.

Well, I don't think Blocking Newbies and JRs out of certain boards will be of much help. They will simply post the trash in the boards where they are allowed to post. This is to say that the areas they are allowed to post in are of less importance to the forum that anything is acceptable in it. Besides, some of these Newbies and JRs. may be very knowledgeable  in the blocked boards and restricting their posts will not only deny them the chance to share their rich knowledge, but also deny forum members of a probably helpful information.
Having a newbie account doesn't necessarily mean that the owners are new to crypto matters

Interesting.
So what is the next step?
Newbies paying 0,1 btc per post in 2019?

Most of the SPAM is done in Altcoins & Bounty section by these users, there had been a case in which 1 person was having more than 50 accounts Jr-Member and spamming the forum for the sake of bounty.
But yea if you can limit the accounts ranging Newbie-Member from posting in Altcoin bounty section of the forum then it will definitely help to reduce the SPAM caused for the sake of bounties.