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No one in the Democratic party is suggesting that poor people and students pucker up and pay money that they don't have... Please watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s

It would amount to me going to vegas a few times a year and gambling.  If I win I keep the money.  If I lose, you pay the losses out of pocket in Taxes and I don't lose a dime.

I'd much rather see more money printed to pay down the national debt than to pay it down myself.

That's an obvious yes as I do not put up a fight when taxes are already taken from me on a regular basis.

I think the real question is "Is the government finally ready to allow the people to have some say in what their tax money is spent on".

If that was no longer an issue, many would GLADLY pay more in taxes to have the debt zeroed out. Hell, I'd give 100% of my income for the rest of my life if it guaranteed it, but the lack of guarantee is why people won't do it. We know that problems due to money mismanagement are not fixed by more money. They're fixed by more lies!

When they are ones putting Presidents in office do you really expect that to happen?

That's an obvious yes as I do not put up a fight when taxes are already taken from me on a regular basis.

I think the real question is "Is the government finally ready to allow the people to have some say in what their tax money is spent on".

If that was no longer an issue, many would GLADLY pay more in taxes to have the debt zeroed out. Hell, I'd give 100% of my income for the rest of my life if it guaranteed it, but the lack of guarantee is why people won't do it. We know that problems due to money mismanagement are not fixed by more money. They're fixed by more lies!

Or a law abiding, business owning citizen of 2 countries who wouldn't last a day attempting tax evasion. Get your head out of your ass. Nobody enjoys paying taxes, but by your critique of me ready to pay for bettering the world in comparison to being 'no better than a lamb to the slaughter', it's not only unnecessarily rude, it's downright ignorant.

So you don't pay your taxes then?

So if the government told you that if you paid 100% of your income you could rid your country of all debt, you wouldn't do it?

If I'm a lamb ready for slaughter based on my ideals, based on yours you're already a tv dinner.

So you think anyone in history who has dedicated their life to a country, regardless of the leaders and policies of that country, in an effort to make it better for the next generation was a slave? Wow. That's universally fubar.


I have this complex you see, when I see a opportunity to do some good I just HAVE to take it...I don't know what's wrong with me. Must be because I'm a good person or something. Someone give me some medication please so I can be greedy, selfish, defeatist, unimaginative meatbags like the rest of you guys please!  :'( haha. No but seriously, I don't think it's my responsibility. But it would be pretty cool to have a chance to be able to have an effect on something that big, wouldn't it?


Of course it was ridiculous, it was an exaggeration. It's not impossible though, so long as you live with my parents like everyone else in the Bitcoin community *rimshot*

Lol that's what they do, and that what makes the problem even worse.

Geez us buddy comon.  If you don't pay in taxes you pay in a devalued Dollar.  Last decades $1 loaf of bread cost $2 or $3 now depending on which one you buy.  Your Dollar buys less the more they print.  

Of course it was ridiculous, it was an exaggeration. It's not impossible though, so long as you live with my parents like everyone else in the Bitcoin community *rimshot*

So you think anyone in history who has dedicated their life to a country, regardless of the leaders and policies of that country, in an effort to make it better for the next generation was a slave? Wow. That's universally fubar.

I have this complex you see, when I see a opportunity to do some good I just HAVE to take it...I don't know what's wrong with me. Must be because I'm a good person or something. Someone give me some medication please so I can be greedy, selfish, defeatist, unimaginative meatbags like the rest of you guys please!  :'( haha. No but seriously, I don't think it's my responsibility. But it would be pretty cool to have a chance to be able to have an effect on something that big, wouldn't it?

Also, saying you would give 100% of your income is just ridiculous.  Are you not going to eat or drink?  Where will you live?

Of course it was ridiculous, it was an exaggeration. It's not impossible though, so long as you live with my parents like everyone else in the Bitcoin community *rimshot*

You cannot make federal reserve issued, government owned and regulated dollar bills 'yours' just by signing them.

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized.

The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

Yeah, I've investigated this one on my own before. It doesn't change the laws around the bill. Interesting theory though-- drove me crazy for a while.

I personally like the theory that if you find your original birth certificate in the hospital records and destroy it, you lose your citizenship and therefor become stateless.

With all of this arguing, I barely noticed that nobody has gone with public with how much they voluntarily taxed themselves.

Voluntary taxing is worthless, it has to be mandatory and institutional to be useful. Society needs structure.

Money is never worthless. Otherwise, the Treasury wouldn't be asking for it.

I believe he said that voluntary taxing is worthless.

SUBMITTING REPORT ON THE SUBJECT OF CITIZENSHIP, EXPATRIATION, AND PROTECTION ABROAD. December 20, 1906

This is the universal maxim of the common law with regard to freemen,
as old as the common law, or even as the Roman civil law, and as well settled
as the rule partus sequitur ventrem. the one being a rule fixing the status of
freemen, the other being a rule defining the ownership of property ; the one
applicable to different political communities or states, whose citizens are in
the enjoyment of the civil rights possessed by people in a state of freedom,
the other defining the condition of the offspring which had been tainted by the
bondage of the mother.

No other rules than the ones above enumerated ever did prevail in this or
any other civilized country. In the case of Ludlam v. Ludlam (31 Barb.. 486)
the court says: "The universal maxim of the common law being partus
sequitur patrem, it is suflicient for the application of this doctrine that the
father should be a subject lawfully, and without breach of his allegiance
beyond sea, no matter what may be the condition of the mother."

The law of nations, which becomes, when applicable to an existing condition of affairs in a country, a part of the common law of that country, declares the same rule. Vattel, in his Law of Nations (p. 101), says: "As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, these children naturally follow the condition of their fathers and succeed to their rights. * * * The country of the father is, therefore, that of the children, and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent." Again, on page 102, Vattel says : " By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers and enter into all their rights.'' This law of nature, as far as it has become a part of the common law, in the absence of any postive enactment on the subject, must be the rule in this case.

1. Ligeance is a true and faithful obedience of the subject due to his Sovereign. This ligeance and obedience is an incident inseparable to every subject; for as soon as he is born he oweth by birth right ligeance and obedience to his Sovereign...

But between the Sovereign and the subject there is without comparison a higher and greater connexion: for as the subject oweth to the King his true and faithful ligeance and obedience, so the Sovereign is to govern and protect his Subjects...

It is true, that the King hath two capacities in him: one a natural body, being descended of the blood royal of the Realm; and this body is of the creation of Almighty God, and is subject to death, infirmity, and such like; the other is a politic, body or capacity, so called, because it is framed by the policy of man...

... First, every subject (as it hath been affirmed by those that argued against the Plaintiff) is presumed by Law to be sworn to the King, which is to his natural person; and likewise the King is sworn to his subjects which oath he taketh in his natural person: for the politique capacity is invisible and immortal; nay, the politique body hath no soul, for it is framed by the policy of man...

4. A body politique (being invisible) can as a body politique neither make nor take homage: Vide 33 Hen. 8. tit. Fealty, Brook. 5. In fide, in faith or ligeance nothing ought to be feigned, but ought to be ex fide non ficta.

I think to qualify as a slave, you'd need to be forced into it, wouldn't you? Otherwise it's being a 'servant', which does not carry the same negative, fight-starting connotation if you ask me.  ;)

I obviously mispoke as both you and the other poster seem to think I am for rewarding mismanagement. If so, I apologize. To clarify: If the United States government issued an apology letter from previous officials admitting that they had mismanaged funds and driven the country into ridiculous debt, but the sake of the US and potentially the world depended on the repayment of the debt by US citizens for a term basis (possibly the lifetime of a whole generation) on the grounds that no further mismanagement would ever be allowed again, I would have a hard time with people carrying US passports, healthcare, social security cards or even living on US soil and NOT paying.

I'm a comedian in the same way you and I joke when I feel like it, but most of my comments are taken seriously by the wrong people, and some of my serious comments are taken as jokes. This is probably due to me not having paid attention to the sign on the door ("Politics & Society") and tracking in through a link. Apologies.

I like your manners and your ability to talk through a situation. I wish more people here were like you, as it helps bring out my more intelligent side. Dealing with animals all day makes me start to act like one. MYBITCOINSCAM SPREADSHEETZZZNOW 1bTCONLEY WHAER IS 5850sdfa7ghf87sfh9as sorry hand spasm.

Well, well, well, if it isn't Dr. Gono. I have a note signed by you promising to pay me on demand 100 trillion dollars. So I'm ready for it, where's my money?

I'd much rather see more money printed to pay down the national debt than to pay it down myself.

me too.  That would cause inflation and make my own debt less significant.

Fire up those printing presses.

Doesn't that depend on what type of debt you have?  Aren't some variable interest rates which means they can increase your interest rate to take into account inflation?

Doesn't that depend on what type of debt you have?  Aren't some variable interest rates which means they can increase your interest rate to take into account inflation?