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Title: [TROLL] Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: TomWilliams on August 02, 2011, 07:02:26 AM
Edit by Maged:
The below is a confirmed troll. I apologize to everyone for whitelisting this guy, but given that extreme lack of communication from MyBitCoin, I was really hoping that this was him. I apologize to MyBitCoin for any damaged this might have caused to your reputation, although you did bring it on yourselves by being so silent.


Greetings Everyone,
 
This is Tom Williams, and as you probably know, I'm the current owner of MyBitcoin.com.  As you've noticed at this point, our site has been down for several days now.  It is with great sadness that I announce that the current downtime has been caused by a major security breach in our network.  The attackers seem to have been completely indiscriminate, deleting everything that they could get their hands on, including the wallet.dat files stored on the network.
 
At this point I've been essentially paralyzed with shock for the last several days and sick to my stomach with the realization of what happened.  I have completely lost access to the files that were hosted on the website and did not have a local backup of that data.  The FBI have been contacted and they have instructed me to leave the site untouched while they conduct their investigation.  Hopefully they'll be able to recover the lost files and find the culprit.  If they can't, then I don't know what to do.  I'm a simple computer science major who had planned to use the site as part of my senior project and I can't even get close to covering the losses on my own.
 
I plan to get in touch with my lawyer in the coming days and I will post more information when I have a better understanding of my responsibilities regarding the situation.  Hopefully at that point I will have an update regarding the FBI investigation as well, though they seemed somewhat less than interested in recovering the bitcoins themselves when I spoke with them.
 
Regards,
Thomas Williams


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: MagicalTux on August 02, 2011, 07:05:51 AM
If I quote https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22221.0 ...

Quote
We use BSD servers with MAC, immutable flags, jails, PAX, SSP,
randomized mmap, secure level, a WAF, a DDoS mitigation and alert system
- -- the works. Like I said earlier. We are not amateurs. In fact,
combined we have over 30 years of experience in the payment
processing (credit card arena) industry.

Against

Quote
I'm a simple computer science major who had planned to use the site as part of my senior project and I can't even get close to covering the losses on my own.

That leaves a large difference.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: theymos on August 02, 2011, 07:06:32 AM
Prove that you are the owner of MyBitcoin.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: enmaku on August 02, 2011, 07:07:40 AM
Is this a system you have physical access to? Chances are you could use something like recuva or encase to recover a wallet.dat file since in most cases "deleting" something doesn't really delete anything at all... Depends on the filesystem/OS/etc of course, and it certainly wouldn't count as "touching" the system since you're only reading data. What kind of backups *were* you keeping and is there any similar method by which you could recover the wallet from those systems?


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: kwaaak on August 02, 2011, 07:08:12 AM
FBI

cool story bro


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: wolftaur on August 02, 2011, 07:08:51 AM
That is quite different from the text on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22221.0 explaining how MyBitcoin was secure and everything~

Considering Mt. Gox's woes, aren't you the last person who should be opening your mouth to make fun of someone else for being hacked?

I mean, seriously. They apparently at least tried to be secure, you decided to give everyone's emails and passwords to a third party who didn't need them.

What little respect I still actually had for you is now gone forever...


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 02, 2011, 07:09:55 AM
Hey guys, no use bashing him. What's done is done and it's not going to bring anything back.
I suggest you use the five stages of grief:  DABDA  (denial, anger, bargain, depression, acceptance) and move on to acceptance because the first four stages are pointless.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: MagicalTux on August 02, 2011, 07:11:06 AM
Considering Mt. Gox's woes, aren't you the last person who should be opening your mouth to make fun of someone else for being hacked?

I mean, seriously. They apparently at least tried to be secure, you decided to give everyone's emails and passwords to a third party who didn't need them.

What little respect I still actually had for you is now gone forever...

We have never said we had 30 years of experience and made fun of other people who got hacked. People around here do not understand the kind of "bad" people who are around here and just go "oh look, mtgox got hacked, but we won't, we are too good for that"... now look at that. I know I shouldn't answer, but I'm tired of being made fun of by people who claim to be better, but end not being better I'd like to know HOW this happened. We need to know how this could happen.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: julz on August 02, 2011, 07:14:00 AM
Why would you list your email address as    Webmaster@mybitcoin.com in your profile if you really were the owner of mybitcoin.com - as you would surely know that there is no MX record for this domain - so that email address cannot currently work?

I call shenanigans.

Who can vouch for this user being who he says he is?



Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Jine on August 02, 2011, 07:14:05 AM
I want proof.

Also, it's not IMPOSSIBLE to recover data on ANY system except it's excessively overwritten.
So shut it down now, pay a couple of thousand usd and get back your data.

There is serious companys that does this kind of work.

And also, are you serious that you didn't have any offsite backup, at all?


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: wolftaur on August 02, 2011, 07:15:12 AM
We have never said we had 30 years of experience and made fun of other people who got hacked. People around here do not understand the kind of "bad" people who are around here and just go "oh look, mtgox got hacked, but we won't, we are too good for that"... now look at that. I know I shouldn't answer, but I'm tired of being made fun of by people who claim to be better, but end not being better.

No, you never said you had 30 years of experience, but you did just make fun of someone for getting hacked. The fact you were taunted and made fun of and accused of being a thief and all the other crap associated with the intrusion to Mt.Gox, though, means that maybe you should actually understand what it feels like, and be an adult. Instead of taking the first opportunity you get to try and publicly humiliate someone else to get yourself a little payback.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Jine on August 02, 2011, 07:15:34 AM
Why would you list your email address as    Webmaster@mybitcoin.com in your profile if you really were the owner of mybitcoin.com - as you would surely know that there is no MX record for this domain - so that email address cannot currently work?

Wrong, default behavior of MTA's is to delivier to the A-record if no MX is found.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: enmaku on August 02, 2011, 07:15:56 AM
Considering Mt. Gox's woes, aren't you the last person who should be opening your mouth to make fun of someone else for being hacked?

I mean, seriously. They apparently at least tried to be secure, you decided to give everyone's emails and passwords to a third party who didn't need them.

What little respect I still actually had for you is now gone forever...

We have never said we had 30 years of experience and made fun of other people who got hacked. People around here do not understand the kind of "bad" people who are around here and just go "oh look, mtgox got hacked, but we won't, we are too good for that"... now look at that. I know I shouldn't answer, but I'm tired of being made fun of by people who claim to be better, but end not being better.

I'm going to respectfully say that we all make mistakes but it's waaaaay too soon. You had a major breach not very long ago and maybe next year some time we can talk about growing from experience blah blah blah, but it's too fresh right now to criticize the security of others just yet.

As for "being made fun of" just be the bigger man. All you do by kicking MyBitcoin when they're down is prove you're no better than they are.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: deepceleron on August 02, 2011, 07:17:27 AM
A real mybitcoin post could/would be signed: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=mybitcoin

Deleted wallets would also mean copied and emptied wallets...


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 02, 2011, 07:17:54 AM
I'm on Mt Gox's side.


They got fucked, but they didn't get completely fucked.


And even after getting fucked, they are still #1.


Big props.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: MagicalTux on August 02, 2011, 07:19:42 AM
As for "being made fun of" just be the bigger man. All you do by kicking MyBitcoin when they're down is prove you're no better than they are.

Ok, sorry, I shouldn't have posted too fast. We do not even have proof this post was indeed made by Tom Williams.

Still, if this is truth I would very much like to know how this could happen, especially after they claimed to be secure (see quote in 2nd post) so everyone in the community can learn from this, including ourselves.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: julz on August 02, 2011, 07:20:01 AM
Why would you list your email address as    Webmaster@mybitcoin.com in your profile if you really were the owner of mybitcoin.com - as you would surely know that there is no MX record for this domain - so that email address cannot currently work?

Wrong, default behavior of MTA's is to delivier to the A-record if no MX is found.

I already tested whether port 25 was listening  - it isn't.  So it still can't work.



Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 02, 2011, 07:20:38 AM
Mybitcoin was hacked from the beginning.


The hackers just sat on it.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: enmaku on August 02, 2011, 07:22:03 AM
A real mybitcoin post could/would be signed: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=mybitcoin

Deleted wallets would also mean copied and emptied wallets...

Very true, all the more reason to try to recover the wallet.dat quickly. If there IS still any balance, it should be transferred to a fresh wallet immediately. Balances and such can be worked out after the fact, we can deal with that craziness later, but if there is still money in that wallet it needs to be transferred ASAP.

It honestly worries me more that Mr. Williams apparently just sat there in shock for days instead of responding to the problem directly... If we're even talking to Mr. Williams at all...


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: wolftaur on August 02, 2011, 07:24:25 AM
Ok, sorry, I shouldn't have posted too fast. We do not even have proof this post was indeed made by Tom Williams.

Still, if this is truth I would very much like to know how this could happen, especially after they claimed to be secure (see quote in 2nd post) so everyone in the community can learn from this, including ourselves.

That, in my opinion, is perfectly reasonable, and I'd like to know how such a thing happened as well. Herd immunity. :)

Unfortunately, no system is impenetrable, no matter how many security precautions are taken ... you can make the system pretty much completely unusable by trying, and there's still going to be some way in.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: TheSeven on August 02, 2011, 07:25:10 AM
Why would you list your email address as    Webmaster@mybitcoin.com in your profile if you really were the owner of mybitcoin.com - as you would surely know that there is no MX record for this domain - so that email address cannot currently work?

Wrong, default behavior of MTA's is to delivier to the A-record if no MX is found.

I already tested whether port 25 was listening  - it isn't.  So it still can't work.



Yeah because port 25 is totally the only port you could possibly run SMTP on... Just because it's the standard config doesn't mean that's always the way it will be configured.

How would an MTA know about a nonstandard port in this case though?


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Oldminer on August 02, 2011, 07:27:03 AM
I smell shit

This guy can talk the.talk but walking the walk is something he fails at miserably


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: enmaku on August 02, 2011, 07:28:54 AM
Why would you list your email address as    Webmaster@mybitcoin.com in your profile if you really were the owner of mybitcoin.com - as you would surely know that there is no MX record for this domain - so that email address cannot currently work?

Wrong, default behavior of MTA's is to delivier to the A-record if no MX is found.

I already tested whether port 25 was listening  - it isn't.  So it still can't work.



Yeah because port 25 is totally the only port you could possibly run SMTP on... Just because it's the standard config doesn't mean that's always the way it will be configured.

How would an MTA know about a nonstandard port in this case though?

Quite true, redacted. Of course it could be that the service(s) are no longer running since the whole mess is offline right now anyway.

Edit: Ignore me, I'm just cranky because I'm on call tonight and I'm now up far later than I wanted to be helping people that I don't really want to help through things far too complicated for them to be doing, even with my guidance... Just another day in paradise :P


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: julz on August 02, 2011, 07:30:56 AM
Why would you list your email address as    Webmaster@mybitcoin.com in your profile if you really were the owner of mybitcoin.com - as you would surely know that there is no MX record for this domain - so that email address cannot currently work?

Wrong, default behavior of MTA's is to delivier to the A-record if no MX is found.

I already tested whether port 25 was listening  - it isn't.  So it still can't work.



Yeah because port 25 is totally the only port you could possibly run SMTP on... Just because it's the standard config doesn't mean that's always the way it will be configured.

How would an MTA know about a nonstandard port in this case though?

Quite true, redacted. Of course it could be that the service(s) are no longer running since the whole mess is offline right now anyway.


The point is - the real tom williams would know the email is down - and wouldn't put that address in the profile.

oh.. plus what Magical Tux said.

I don't believe it's him.







Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: hugolp on August 02, 2011, 07:31:11 AM
Hey guys, no use bashing him. What's done is done and it's not going to bring anything back.
I suggest you use the five stages of grief:  DABDA  (denial, anger, bargain, depression, acceptance) and move on to acceptance because the first four stages are pointless.

Well, that is if you believe the story. Im not saying its false, I dont have any indications that its either true or false.

But all these wallet.dat's being erased magically from all these services without the owners having any kind of local copy... It stings at kilometers of distance. What we should do is locate the keys where their funds where stored and keep an eye on them. If some years after they start to be moved you know what happened. Also, doing this would make anyone thinking on doing the same think twice about pulling something similar.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: pekv2 on August 02, 2011, 07:33:45 AM
If this is not a hoax, claiming who he is, all I can say is WTF@No Backups/No Offline Backup. Just for my documents, I've got my stuff backed up on four different media.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Swishercutter on August 02, 2011, 07:35:40 AM
If this is not a hoax, claiming who he is, all I can say is WTF@No Backups/No Offline Backup. Just for my documents, I've got my stuff backed up on four different media.

Second that...and I don't have very much coin.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: repentance on August 02, 2011, 07:40:18 AM
But all these wallet.dat's being erased magically from all these services without the owners having any kind of local copy... It stings at kilometers of distance. What we should do is locate the keys where their funds where stored and keep an eye on them. If some years after they start to be moved you know what happened. Also, doing this would make anyone thinking on doing the same think twice about pulling something similar.

It's kind of ironic that the community doesn't trust Joe average to back up his wallet properly but has blind faith that Bitcoin related services will keep multiple back ups of their data.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: hugolp on August 02, 2011, 07:42:50 AM
It's kind of ironic that the community doesn't trust Joe average to back up his wallet properly but has blind faith that Bitcoin related services will keep multiple back ups of their data.

Honestly, backing up your wallet.dat is not that hard. Anyone can get three cd's and make three copies. There is no excuse.

Being a business is harder because new addresses are created and you have to do it regularly but still, its nothing specially complicated.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Maged on August 02, 2011, 07:46:14 AM
Hey guys, no use bashing him. What's done is done and it's not going to bring anything back.
I suggest you use the five stages of grief:  DABDA  (denial, anger, bargain, depression, acceptance) and move on to acceptance because the first four stages are pointless.

Well, that is if you believe the story. Im not saying its false, I dont have any indications that its either true or false.

But all these wallet.dat's being erased magically from all these services without the owners having any kind of local copy... It stings at kilometers of distance. What we should do is locate the keys where their funds where stored and keep an eye on them. If some years after they start to be moved you know what happened. Also, doing this would make anyone thinking on doing the same think twice about pulling something similar.
This worries me. These incidents happened WAY too close to each other. I'm worried that we're dealing with someone who's trying to destroy bitcoin, rather than profit...


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: EhVedadoOAnonimato on August 02, 2011, 07:49:35 AM
Prove that you are the owner of MyBitcoin.

+1

I have a hard time believing MyBitcoin had no off line backups of its wallet.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: pekv2 on August 02, 2011, 07:50:44 AM

Being a business is harder because new addresses are created and you have to do it regularly but still, its nothing specially complicated.

Being a business, just like google, they've got backups on tapes. There should have been an automated script somehow to backup every 15 to 30 minutes, then over writes every 30 - 60 days, then do offline backups every 5 hours a day. Storage is cheap nowadays.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: SlaveInDebt on August 02, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
I don't believe the OP is really the owner of the mybitcoin regardless it never will stop amazing me that folks who can build and design web pages are so incompetent they can't do what my simple minded, drunk, honky ass can do or they claim they didn't do.

http://i51.tinypic.com/710l55.jpg


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: the joint on August 02, 2011, 07:58:05 AM
It's kind of ironic that the community doesn't trust Joe average to back up his wallet properly but has blind faith that Bitcoin related services will keep multiple back ups of their data.

Honestly, backing up your wallet.dat is not that hard. Anyone can get three cd's and make three copies. There is no excuse.

Being a business is harder because new addresses are created and you have to do it regularly but still, its nothing specially complicated.

For being so technologically intelligent, I think what you said is completely idiotic.  This kind of naivete only adds to peoples' reluctance to join Bitcoin.  Yep, everyone knows how to back-up a hidden file and recover it without risk of losing their BTC in the event something goes wrong.  Sure.  Sure they do.

Edit:  I'll give you being a business is harder.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: repentance on August 02, 2011, 07:59:02 AM
Prove that you are the owner of MyBitcoin.

+1

I have a hard time believing MyBitcoin had no off line backups of its wallet.

It's frighteningly common for small businesses not to have any backups at all of their data, let alone off-site and off-line backups.  While you'd think that a service which exists to protect people from deleting their own data or having it stolen and security would be extra vigilant about back ups, successful intrusions are a weekly event and businesses which should "know better" are often the target.  Whether this particular story is true or not, I'd bet good money that some of the Bitcoin related services still have inadequate security and back ups.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: jav on August 02, 2011, 07:59:33 AM
I highly doubt this is the real Tom Williams. Quoting again from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22221.0 :

Quote
A large amount of the Bitcoin holding is in cold (offline) storage. We
only have a percentage of the holding available hot. This is done for
obvious reasons.

against:

I have completely lost access to the files that were hosted on the website and did not have a local backup of that data.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: neofutur on August 02, 2011, 08:04:41 AM

No, you never said you had 30 years of experience, but you did just make fun of someone for getting hacked. The fact you were taunted and made fun of and accused of being a thief and all the other crap associated with the intrusion to Mt.Gox, though, means that maybe you should actually understand what it feels like, and be an adult. Instead of taking the first opportunity you get to try and publicly humiliate someone else to get yourself a little payback.

pointing a lie is not making fun, its just pointing a lie


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Chris Acheson on August 02, 2011, 08:06:38 AM
C'mon guys, obvious troll is obvious.

The actual owner of MyBitcoin PGP signs his messages.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: LightRider on August 02, 2011, 08:14:01 AM
Then the question is who whitelisted him?


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: qwk on August 02, 2011, 08:14:28 AM
I'd bet good money that some of the Bitcoin related services still have inadequate security and back ups.

True. But online wallet services not having a backup of their wallet.dat? I'll never buy that.

If you run an online wallet, you already have to interface with the bitcoind anyway. There's a nifty little command for it, called "backupwallet". backupwallet /path/to/your/backupwallet.dat is literally all you need. And if nothing else, just go ahead and download that backup file to your local workstation's hard disk or email it to your gmail account, whatever.

Any online wallet service provider claiming not to have a single backup of their wallet.dat is a plain liar.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Christian Pezza on August 02, 2011, 08:20:34 AM
I give him a shot, what we have to lose? at list there is a try!


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: hugolp on August 02, 2011, 08:23:20 AM
It's kind of ironic that the community doesn't trust Joe average to back up his wallet properly but has blind faith that Bitcoin related services will keep multiple back ups of their data.

Honestly, backing up your wallet.dat is not that hard. Anyone can get three cd's and make three copies. There is no excuse.

Being a business is harder because new addresses are created and you have to do it regularly but still, its nothing specially complicated.

For being so technologically intelligent, I think what you said is completely idiotic.  This kind of naivete only adds to peoples' reluctance to join Bitcoin.  Yep, everyone knows how to back-up a hidden file and recover it without risk of losing their BTC in the event something goes wrong.  Sure.  Sure they do.

Edit:  I'll give you being a business is harder.

So you think copying a file (wallet.dat) into a couple of cd's or usb drivers or whatever is something only people with a computer science degree can do? How hard is to copy a file in a couple of cd's?


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: the joint on August 02, 2011, 08:36:00 AM
It's kind of ironic that the community doesn't trust Joe average to back up his wallet properly but has blind faith that Bitcoin related services will keep multiple back ups of their data.

Honestly, backing up your wallet.dat is not that hard. Anyone can get three cd's and make three copies. There is no excuse.

Being a business is harder because new addresses are created and you have to do it regularly but still, its nothing specially complicated.

For being so technologically intelligent, I think what you said is completely idiotic.  This kind of naivete only adds to peoples' reluctance to join Bitcoin.  Yep, everyone knows how to back-up a hidden file and recover it without risk of losing their BTC in the event something goes wrong.  Sure.  Sure they do.

Edit:  I'll give you being a business is harder.

So you think copying a file (wallet.dat) into a couple of cd's or usb drivers or whatever is something only people with a computer science degree can do? How hard is to copy a file in a couple of cd's?

First of all, flash drives are very unreliable.  I copied mine to a flash drive and the thing broke and I didn't even have to touch it.  That's what happens when a USB has a poor soldering job.

Second of all, ask my mom or dad how easy it is to do.  Go ahead.  I dare you.  Then tell them that depending on your computer's settings the file might be hidden when you search for it.  Then tell them how to uncover the file.  Then tell them how to retrieve the coins in the event that the original wallet is lost.  See how 'easy' it is for them to understand.  And these are middle class citizens who have had a computer in their home for ~ 20 years -- the 'average' population.  Contrary to what you think, many people don't even own computers let alone have a clue how to begin to navigate one.  You just lost most of the 50+ generation if they were to read that.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: lacedwithkerosene on August 02, 2011, 08:39:26 AM
This idea was conceived on the somethingawful forums. One member outlined a plan to make this post if someone could get him a mybitcoin logo. So no, its not Tom Williams.

But there's stairs in this thread.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: petercyr on August 02, 2011, 08:40:24 AM
I think the point is, if you understand bitcoin and understand how to setup a service like this, backing up the bitcoin wallet would be the least of their concern... There's simply no excuse and believing that it could actually be true is an insult to these people's intelligence.

Not that I want to give them too much credit, its still hard to believe someone would't have at least a couple backups..


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Gabi on August 02, 2011, 08:46:20 AM
Luckily i have 0 bitcoins in these online services and what else.

Also if an attacker get access to wallet.dat it can simply move them to another wallet


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Departure on August 02, 2011, 08:48:22 AM
Guys please... Think about the real Tom Williams skilled enough to create a website such as "mybitcoin" and has been running this site for a long time now, In other words he knows how bitcoin works and has the skills. Do you really believe there is no backup and buy into the FBI story?? come on he has probably been around bitcoin longer than most of us here going by the amount of time the site has been up and running. Sorry im not buying this at all....


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: the joint on August 02, 2011, 08:50:06 AM
Guys please... Think about the real Tom Williams skilled enough to create a website such as "mybitcoin" and has been running this site for a long time now, In other words he knows how bitcoin works and has the skills. Do you really believe there is no backup and buy into the FBI story?? come on he has probably been around bitcoin longer than most of us here going by the amount of time the site has been up and running. Sorry im not buying this at all....

Exactly.  It's far more plausible he ran with them :(


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Gabi on August 02, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Guys please... Think about the real Tom Williams skilled enough to create a website such as "mybitcoin" and has been running this site for a long time now, In other words he knows how bitcoin works and has the skills. Do you really believe there is no backup and buy into the FBI story?? come on he has probably been around bitcoin longer than most of us here going by the amount of time the site has been up and running. Sorry im not buying this at all....

He called the CYBERPOLICE

conseguences will never be the same  :o


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: FreeMoney on August 02, 2011, 08:53:40 AM
This is not the owner of mybitcoin.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: makomk on August 02, 2011, 09:00:29 AM
Is this a system you have physical access to? Chances are you could use something like recuva or encase to recover a wallet.dat file since in most cases "deleting" something doesn't really delete anything at all... Depends on the filesystem/OS/etc of course, and it certainly wouldn't count as "touching" the system since you're only reading data.
As far as I know, my utility for recovering bitcoin private keys (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0) is probably still the best option - though it doesn't recover any other information from the wallet.dat like account information, and obviously it can't recover any external databases used to store account details. A lot of recovery tools are based on file magic numbers, and BDB doesn't seem to have any obvious ones. (Of course, that would only help in the unlikely event the original post isn't a troll.)

This idea was conceived on the somethingawful forums. One member outlined a plan to make this post if someone could get him a mybitcoin logo. So no, its not Tom Williams.

But there's stairs in this thread.
Where? I don't remember seeing any mention of this, but I haven't looked hard and it sounds plausible...


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: lacedwithkerosene on August 02, 2011, 09:04:03 AM
This idea was conceived on the somethingawful forums. One member outlined a plan to make this post if someone could get him a mybitcoin logo. So no, its not Tom Williams.

But there's stairs in this thread.
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Where? I don't remember seeing any mention of this, but I haven't looked hard and it sounds plausible...

A poster on page 366 of the GBS thread came up with the idea and said to PM him the logo and he would edit out that part of the post. He apparently got the logo and the post was indeed edited.


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Oldminer on August 02, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
mods should close this thread imo


Title: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime
Post by: Nefario on August 02, 2011, 09:44:33 AM
OP is not owner of mybitcoin.com thread frozen.