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Title: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: Jonton on November 23, 2013, 11:16:19 AM
Is the last rising of Bitcoin a sign of starting closed trading structures?

Example:

The daily volantlity is about 5.000 Bitcoins.

Some people build up a group, which own´s 10.000 Bitcoins.

Through that difference of Bitcoins they can make the price fall or rise, like they want...by selling or buying among themselves.
->The Bitcoins stay in a closed trading Structure.

Is that just a silly thought or theoretical possible?


Thx


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: Jonton on November 23, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
Frightening?


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: PenAndPaper on November 23, 2013, 12:09:43 PM
That guy http://falkvinge.net/2013/09/13/bitcoins-vast-overvaluation-seems-to-be-caused-by-usually-illegal-price-fixing/
desrcibes pretty much what you said to explain how the price skyrocketed to 140$  :P  :P


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: Jonton on November 23, 2013, 12:32:10 PM
For me...that´s the reason Bitcoin will survive.
 
Because you can control the price of Bitcoin towards the Dollar/Fiatmoney.
If more and more people get into the Bitcoin system, you need to expand your controlled Number of Bitcoins in your Closed Trading System.
The Difference in volantility between  the people wich are not involved in that system and the CT System makes that expand.
Further, there is a party which is printing a lot of Dollars each month.
Spending 1/65 of that into mining systems or buying Bitcoins will increase the ability to control Bitcoin in the future.

Bitcoin will survive. Yeah.... :-\


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: bluemeanie1 on November 23, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
Is the last rising of Bitcoin a sign of starting closed trading structures?

Example:

The daily volantlity is about 5.000 Bitcoins.

Some people build up a group, which own´s 10.000 Bitcoins.

Through that difference of Bitcoins they can make the price fall or rise, like they want...by selling or buying among themselves.
->The Bitcoins stay in a closed trading Structure.

Is that just a silly thought or theoretical possible?


Thx

I think it's possible that recently, some insiders agreed to move the technology in a certain direction and various financial interests may have bought a significant number of bitcoin, resulting in a run-up in price.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we have a huge market event at the precise time that the core developers are discussing bank-friendly changes to the bitcoin standards.

We are looking to remedy these problems.  http://www.altchain.org/?q=whitepapers/paper2.html


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: PenAndPaper on November 23, 2013, 05:51:56 PM
I think it's possible that recently, some insiders agreed to move the technology in a certain direction and various financial interests may have bought a significant number of bitcoin, resulting in a run-up in price.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we have a huge market event at the precise time that the core developers are discussing bank-friendly changes to the bitcoin standards.

We are looking to remedy these problems.  http://www.altchain.org/?q=whitepapers/paper2.html

Conspiracy theories usually aren't the best approach on promoting something  :-X


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: qu.fadep on November 23, 2013, 06:21:45 PM
Is the last rising of Bitcoin a sign of starting closed trading structures?

Example:

The daily volantlity is about 5.000 Bitcoins.

Some people build up a group, which own´s 10.000 Bitcoins.

Through that difference of Bitcoins they can make the price fall or rise, like they want...by selling or buying among themselves.
->The Bitcoins stay in a closed trading Structure.

Is that just a silly thought or theoretical possible?


Thx

ALT COIN is the solution..


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: Coinseeker on November 23, 2013, 06:34:22 PM
Is the last rising of Bitcoin a sign of starting closed trading structures?

Example:

The daily volantlity is about 5.000 Bitcoins.

Some people build up a group, which own´s 10.000 Bitcoins.

Through that difference of Bitcoins they can make the price fall or rise, like they want...by selling or buying among themselves.
->The Bitcoins stay in a closed trading Structure.

Is that just a silly thought or theoretical possible?


Thx

Large coin holders + zero regulations or oversight?  What could possibly go wrong? ::).



Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: bluemeanie1 on November 23, 2013, 10:42:19 PM
I think it's possible that recently, some insiders agreed to move the technology in a certain direction and various financial interests may have bought a significant number of bitcoin, resulting in a run-up in price.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we have a huge market event at the precise time that the core developers are discussing bank-friendly changes to the bitcoin standards.

We are looking to remedy these problems.  http://www.altchain.org/?q=whitepapers/paper2.html

Conspiracy theories usually aren't the best approach on promoting something  :-X

Im not selling anything...


Title: Re: Closed Trading Structures. Price Manipulation?
Post by: bluemeanie1 on November 23, 2013, 10:43:08 PM
Is the last rising of Bitcoin a sign of starting closed trading structures?

Example:

The daily volantlity is about 5.000 Bitcoins.

Some people build up a group, which own´s 10.000 Bitcoins.

Through that difference of Bitcoins they can make the price fall or rise, like they want...by selling or buying among themselves.
->The Bitcoins stay in a closed trading Structure.

Is that just a silly thought or theoretical possible?


Thx

ALT COIN is the solution..

Not really because they will just repeat the process...