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Title: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 02, 2018, 05:28:34 PM
Originally I was just going through altcoin section and noticed an account sent a lot of merits to announcement threads as a merit source, which I reported in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0).  Further look of his post history, now this account turned out to be even worse as a bounty manager embezzling tokens worth $4000 by cheating his post count, which forced me to open this thread...  

Anon11073 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=969327) is the bounty manager of "cosplay token" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2843223.0
and participating his own signature campaign, whose rules look like standard ones:

...
  • Signature campaign: $30,000(at COT) 30%
...
Rules
  • At least ten posts are required per week by the end of ICO.
  • Only posts other than Cosplay Token related threads will be counted.
...
  • Posts with the following topics are not counted. Marketplace, Off-topic, Archival, Marketplace (Altcoins)
...

When checking his post history, I found that 90% of his posts remain in the bounty thread during the campaign.  He posted info on "Current participants" for the campaign multiple times a day.  The following quotes are examples.  I am not snipping his posts, these are the whole part of his posts.  Almost the same posts, not sure if it is necessary to post them...  

Cosplay Token Info


Current participants
Signature campaign: 17/250
Article/Media campaign: 250/250
Twitter campaign: 261/300
Facebook campaign: 148/150
Telegram campaign: 305/1500


Cosplay Token Info


Current participants
Signature campaign: 17/250
Article/Media campaign: 250/250
Twitter campaign: 261/300
Facebook campaign: 148/150
Telegram campaign: 305/1500


Of course these posts are in the bounty thread, and should not be counted for signature campaign.  However, the thing is that, it turned out that he counted these posts as signature stakes and continued it for 4 weeks.  I checked his 120 posts during 4 weeks and if one follows the rule above, his post count is actually 3, 3, 6, 3 for each of 4 weeks, none of which satisfies the minimum requirement of 10 posts per week, since most of his posts remain in the bounty thread.  

At the end of the day, the spreadsheet of the bounty thread shows that he got 12 stakes in total for 4 weeks, which is 13% of the total stakes in signature campaign.  Since tokens worth $30,000 is allocated for the signature campaign, he earned tokens worth $4000.

One thing is that in principle he could have 10 posts at the deadline of each week and then part of them were deleted after that for some reason.  It could happen but I doubt if it could happen for successive 4 weeks...  If it is the case, 24 posts should have been deleted, which implies his posts did not satisfy the requirement of "constructive posts" anyway.

Another thing is that I am not sure if the forum has unofficial allowed culture for bounty manager to count his stakes in an exceptional way...  At least it is not the case for several bounty managers I checked:  Some of them counted correctly, some of them only wear the avatar and didn't count their stakes, and others were not participating their own campaigns.  

So in general, are posts by a bounty manager exception of the counting rule for the signature campaign he is managing?  If the answer is no and it should be counted as usual, Anon11073 is cheating his stakes and stealing $4000...


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: mdayonliner on May 02, 2018, 05:47:00 PM
Again! another accusation!!!
I am interested to see this time what will be his explanations. Last time I bought his story but could not agree with his merit abusing excuses (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.msg36113137#msg36113137). I will keep my eyes open for this topic.



Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: MadZ on May 02, 2018, 06:05:46 PM
This should be in scam accusations, not meta. That being said, I'd definitely go ahead and contact whoever he is running the campaign for, I'm sure they would like to know.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: r1s2g3 on May 02, 2018, 06:21:10 PM
I thought that he was removed as Merit Source and Staff  because of your  thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.msg35889040#msg35889040).

I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

Theymos need to intervene, I think staff and bounty manager are two conflicting position.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: mdayonliner on May 02, 2018, 06:39:14 PM
I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

As per my knowledge it's not him, it's another member who was removed. I do not want to mention his username for some reason.

This should be in scam accusations, not meta. That being said, I'd definitely go ahead and contact whoever he is running the campaign for, I'm sure they would like to know.

I was also having a thought that this is not something for Meta board but I was not really sure about the appropriate board for this. Seems like scam accusations is the board for this topic. I hope OP move this to scam accusations board.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: The Pharmacist on May 02, 2018, 07:11:29 PM
I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

Theymos need to intervene, I think staff and bounty manager are two conflicting position.
I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.

None of this is surprising to me, and people who are allowed to just keep doing what they're doing after they apologize will continue doing it.  I'll be interested to hear what Anon11073 has to say about this, assuming he stops by this thread.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: LoyceV on May 02, 2018, 07:17:21 PM
This should be in scam accusations, not meta.
If it's about a Staff member, I think it belongs in Meta. But in that case the topic title should be more clear.
My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".

I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).
I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.
Correct:
As of this moment I'm no longer a merit source.  there was too much drama and clearly I wasn't trustworthy enough. I was unfit to represent this forum and the community. I have resigned.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: InvoKing on May 02, 2018, 07:50:22 PM
It is theymos choice.
I will talk in general not only about this topic : the Japanese users have the right to receive smerit like any other local sub users that's why they have 4? merit sources!
4? merit sources to reward users writing posts with 0/10 quality?
While reading, the excuse is that since we don't have good quality posts and we need to spend smerit, let's reward posts with poor quality??
Yeah, let's boost mediocrity...
Code:
When small men attempt great enterprises, they always end by reducing them to the level of their mediocrity.
Where did I wrote my size=1 comment weeks ago on the nomination day...
Should I blame others in the future doing unethical things? Conflict of interest they said...that's disgusting.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: mdayonliner on May 02, 2018, 08:03:56 PM
@InvoKing: Seems like you have done some research about this Japanese board. I assume your numbers are correct. I have noticed more merit abusing on the local boards than the regular boards, it's the feeling I get. I have investigated 16 merit abusing cases where I found over 60+ abusers and red tagged those users so I guess my feeling is based on experience. It contains some weight, not just a feeling I got out of the thin air.

I am still awaiting for Anon11073 to see his statement against this acquisition.

My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".
I do think the same like you. May be the title needs a bit of tweaks.


Title: Re: Bounty manager embezzling $4000
Post by: jumbo on May 02, 2018, 09:44:27 PM
This ICO is an registered HK business, and they may press charges, since that's their promised prizes or other benefits for participants of promotional campaign were obtained by a fraudster with the use of deceit. Technically it shall count as theft and/or fraud in HK. I would recommend contacting their ICO CEO and their Legal Advisor to report that incident. Also, their reaction will tell a lot about the status and position of that person in their ranks.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 03, 2018, 12:44:24 AM
So no one thinks that there is an exceptional counting culture of bounty manager's stakes to justify his counting?  Then this seems a scam.  Last time, his excuse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.msg36026264#msg36026264) for the 30 source merit abuse were very poor and never satisfactory, and this time there should be no room to excuse this scam in any way.  


I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).
I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.
Correct:
As of this moment I'm no longer a merit source.  there was too much drama and clearly I wasn't trustworthy enough. I was unfit to represent this forum and the community. I have resigned.
I thought it was Anon11073 who was resigned, but he is still a merit source!  Anyway I think now he should go away from the forum...


My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".
I do think the same like you. May be the title needs a bit of tweaks.
Thanks for suggestion, I edited the title.  Eventually I may need to include his username explicitly to avoid further scam victims.  


This ICO is an registered HK business, and they may press charges, since that's their promised prizes or other benefits for participants of promotional campaign were obtained by a fraudster with the use of deceit. Technically it shall count as theft and/or fraud in HK. I would recommend contacting their ICO CEO and their Legal Advisor to report that incident. Also, their reaction will tell a lot about the status and position of that person in their ranks.
Great, I am still new to this field and not familiar with how to deal with this kind of accusation, can you tell me how things go in this case?  Maybe we should post the link to this thread in the original announcement thread of this token? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821548.msg28898257#msg28898257


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Quickseller on May 03, 2018, 12:50:51 AM
I thought that he was removed as Merit Source and Staff  because of your  thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.msg35889040#msg35889040).
He is still staff.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: digaran on May 03, 2018, 04:06:55 AM
You said that he/she has posted 120 posts in 4 weeks? each participant were required to post 10 times per week, if he has 120 posts then he'd participated As 3 members. is there any mention of bounty manager decision to be the final decision? if yes then it has been at his own discretion to allow himself to take part as 3 members. moreover if Cosplay founder gave the manager permission to decide everything, it wouldn't be embezzlement.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: mdayonliner on May 03, 2018, 09:31:33 AM
Thanks for suggestion, I edited the title.  Eventually I may need to include his username explicitly to avoid further scam victims.
LoyceV deserves more than me coz s/he suggested it and I only backed it up. By the way it's much better  :)


Great, I am still new to this field and not familiar with how to deal with this kind of accusation, can you tell me how things go in this case?  Maybe we should post the link to this thread in the original announcement thread of this token? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821548.msg28898257#msg28898257

LoyceV (LOL again, seems like you are an expert in this kind of job) has a topic on the Scam Accusations board where s/he exposed scammer John547s3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1181345). I was scammed too by that user. What I did is... I sent same message to several media to make sure that the guy does not get paid for scamming both the company and the BitcoinTalk members. Read this for idea if you want to (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3438374.msg35862850#msg35862850). I sent text to their telegram, Facebook, Twitter, email (got that from the admin of their teregram), reddit etc media to make sure somehow my message reaches to the project administrators. Hope this helps. You can keep following up with them until any of their administrators reply you with an acknowledgement. 


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 04, 2018, 04:07:29 AM
Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me? ???


I am waiting for reply.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 04, 2018, 04:11:55 AM
Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Quickseller on May 04, 2018, 05:47:28 AM
Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.
If you have a problem with lauda, I would advise you contact blazed, hilariousandco and salty. They are the reason why lauda is in the default trust network, despite the overwhelming community consensus that lauda should be excluded from DT. If they are unable to address your concerns, I would advise discussing the issue with theymos who can remove them from DT1 (and possibly from staff if he agrees adding lauda is a sign of poor judgment, which it is).


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Lauda on May 04, 2018, 06:01:04 AM
Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
Since this was posted on the 29th of January, that would mean the week 10 ends on the 9th of April. You've joined in the afternoon (4 PM) on the 6th of April, but I can't tell which timezone the sheet is in. Therefore, let's go with the earliest post on the 6th which is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg34052903#msg34052903 (page 6 of your post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=969327;sa=showPosts;start=100)). The first post on the 10th of April is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2843224.msg34385132#msg34385132 (page 5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=969327;sa=showPosts;start=80)).
I see 6 posts if you are counting every shitpost that doesn't fall into the 'if here, don't count it' category. Either I'm blind or you're lying. Which is it?

Signature campaign

Rules
  • At least ten posts are required per week by the end of ICO.
  • Only posts other than Cosplay Token related threads will be counted.
  • Posts must be over 80 letters and be constructive.
  • Posts with the following topics are not counted. Marketplace, Off-topic, Archival, Marketplace (Altcoins)
I have no problem removing the rating if you can prove the case wrong, but I don't see how you could do that.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: drogbaaa on May 04, 2018, 08:41:01 AM
Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.
You realy need to stop saying Please..please . you are a staff member .

Lauda sent 30 merit to a serial scammer and nobody questioned him/her. PM Theymos with this details.

January 27, 2018, 01:13:24 PM: 10 to aTriz for 🔥 Gunbot Twitter Campaign 🔥 [0.00025 PER REPORT] 🔥 [OPEN] 🔥
January 26, 2018, 09:55:21 PM: 1 to minifrij for Re: Lauda/aTriz possible alts of each other [Merit Abuse]
January 26, 2018, 09:55:18 PM: 1 to Aventhe for Re: Lauda/aTriz possible alts of each other [Merit Abuse]
January 26, 2018, 09:55:05 PM: 1 to aTriz for Re: Lauda/aTriz possible alts of each other [Merit Abuse]
January 26, 2018, 01:57:56 PM: 5 to DannyHamilton for Re: Question regarding Multi Signature Addresses
January 26, 2018, 12:50:08 PM: 5 to TMAN for Re: TMAN's Level up challenge.
January 24, 2018, 10:58:31 PM: 1 to Vod for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?
January 24, 2018, 10:42:36 PM: 20 to aTriz for 🔥 Gunbot Twitter Campaign 🔥 [0.00025 PER REPORT] 🔥 [OPEN] 🔥


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: kenjionline on May 04, 2018, 09:52:54 AM
Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.
You realy need to stop saying Please..please . you are a staff member .

Lauda sent 30 merit to a serial scammer and nobody questioned him/her. PM Theymos with this details.

January 27, 2018, 01:13:24 PM: 10 to aTriz for 🔥 Gunbot Twitter Campaign 🔥 [0.00025 PER REPORT] 🔥 [OPEN] 🔥
January 24, 2018, 10:42:36 PM:20 to aTriz for 🔥 Gunbot Twitter Campaign 🔥 [0.00025 PER REPORT] 🔥 [OPEN] 🔥
Yeah, And the topic was created on November 29, 2017, it gives him merit, with what for the starting topic of the bounty, and then paints the trust. Lauda is such a Lauda.  ;D


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Lauda on May 04, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
Lauda is such a Lauda.  ;D
kenjionline is such a kenjionline. Or is it?

Quote
Trust summary for kenjionline
This user's email address was changed recently.

This user changed his/her password recently.
::)

Can we get back to the topic?


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 04, 2018, 12:19:51 PM
Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me? ???


I am waiting for reply.

@Anon11073
What I hate is not you but the misuses of your positions as merit source and bounty manager... Using 30 source merits for personal uses simply because "I am a fun of minexcoin" or you like some bounty manager or you were the bounty manager of that coin, and cheating your signature stakes as a bounty manager to steal coins, which are not allowed in the forum... I don't see you deserve the positions.  It is also crosschecked that your post count was indeed incorrect: to satisfy the requirement of signature campaign, one needs to include your posts in your own bounty threads or your posts before you joined the signature campaign at 16:48:15 on 6th April... To me, the red trust is reasonable to prevent further accusations.



@mdayonliner
Ok I couldn't send a PM to the ICO CEO since I am a newbie, but will check the thread and what is the best way. (I am not an expert, a newbie still learning about the forum rules and cultures... during which I found an abuser.)


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 04, 2018, 02:09:15 PM
Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
Since this was posted on the 29th of January, that would mean the week 10 ends on the 9th of April. You've joined in the afternoon (4 PM) on the 6th of April, but I can't tell which timezone the sheet is in. Therefore, let's go with the earliest post on the 6th which is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg34052903#msg34052903 (page 6 of your post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=969327;sa=showPosts;start=100)). The first post on the 10th of April is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2843224.msg34385132#msg34385132 (page 5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=969327;sa=showPosts;start=80)).
I see 6 posts if you are counting every shitpost that doesn't fall into the 'if here, don't count it' category. Either I'm blind or you're lying. Which is it?

Signature campaign

Rules
  • At least ten posts are required per week by the end of ICO.
  • Only posts other than Cosplay Token related threads will be counted.
  • Posts must be over 80 letters and be constructive.
  • Posts with the following topics are not counted. Marketplace, Off-topic, Archival, Marketplace (Altcoins)
I have no problem removing the rating if you can prove the case wrong, but I don't see how you could do that.
The time zone is calculated in Japan time(UTC +9/JST).

Other participants also count on the same conditions.
You say my post is Shit post, but other participants are doing similar postings.
Because those postings are not Shit post in my standards.

If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 04, 2018, 02:14:42 PM
Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me? ???


I am waiting for reply.

@Anon11073
What I hate is not you but the misuses of your positions as merit source and bounty manager... Using 30 source merits for personal uses simply because "I am a fun of minexcoin" or you like some bounty manager or you were the bounty manager of that coin, and cheating your signature stakes as a bounty manager to steal coins, which are not allowed in the forum... I don't see you deserve the positions.  It is also crosschecked that your post count was indeed incorrect: to satisfy the requirement of signature campaign, one needs to include your posts in your own bounty threads or your posts before you joined the signature campaign at 16:48:15 on 6th April... To me, the red trust is reasonable to prevent further accusations.



@mdayonliner
Ok I couldn't send a PM to the ICO CEO since I am a newbie, but will check the thread and what is the best way. (I am not an expert, a newbie still learning about the forum rules and cultures... during which I found an abuser.)
theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Lauda on May 04, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
-snip-
If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.
What nonsense is this ??? This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

[1] Any other manager want to comment?


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 04, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
-snip-
If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.
What nonsense is this ??? This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

[1] Any other manager want to comment?
Well, posts while not wearing a signature are also counted.
Other participants are counted in the same way.

It may be a bit special, but it is the rule of campaign that I do.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Quickseller on May 04, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
-snip-
If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.
What nonsense is this ??? This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

[1] Any other manager want to comment?
As long as the company paying for advertising is aware and approved of this term, there should be no issue. This is not normally how things are done, but it is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.

If someone makes a post on Monday and starts wearing a signature on Wednesday, presumably some people will see the signature on Thursday or later in the week.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 04, 2018, 11:49:46 PM
theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.
I was surprised you learned nothing from the previous topic...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0
Why you think you can justify your transactions of 30 source merits to your favorite coins' announcement threads?  If there were no high quality posts in Japanese board and you had a lot of source merits, why didn't you try to look for high quality posts in other boards?  Didn't you think that was more appropriate way to use source merits rather than personal uses?

I think that counting rule is unusual...  How many other participants benefit from this special rule?  I checked the spreadsheet, and it turned out that among all the participants you are the only person who benefits from this rule.  It seems you added such a special rule only for yourself...


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 05, 2018, 03:18:33 AM
theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.
I was surprised you learned nothing from the previous topic...  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0
Why you think you can justify your transactions of 30 source merits to your favorite coins' announcement threads?  If there were no high quality posts in Japanese board and you had a lot of source merits, why didn't you try to look for high quality posts in other boards?  Didn't you think that was more appropriate way to use source merits rather than personal uses?

I think that counting rule is unusual...  How many other participants benefit from this special rule?  I checked the spreadsheet, and it turned out that among all the participants you are the only person who benefits from this rule.  It seems you added such a special rule only for yourself...
Well, as you said, I think that my way of using Merit was inappropriate.
I am sorry about that. So I will try to use it properly from now on.
About Merit, it is a post on Japanese board.
ただ、疑わしい行為をした事に違い無いのでその点については反省しております。今後はMeritの使い方に気をつけて行くつもりです。

There certainly was no other user applicable, but posts when not signed were also counted.
I did not add a rule. If I do a bounty campaign in the future, it will count in the same way.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 07, 2018, 11:55:23 PM
The drama continues...

There certainly was no other user applicable, but posts when not signed were also counted.
I did not add a rule. If I do a bounty campaign in the future, it will count in the same way.

Since Anon11073 didn't get the point, I started the poll about the validity of his counting as the bounty manager and participant: including his posts before wearing signature, as I wanted to hear from other senior bounty managers/participants.  Your feedback for the poll would be helpful as it has currently only 1 vote from Anon11073 to the option "Yes: it is usual counting". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3597531.0

The thing is that, however, now I found he sent me merits! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3597531.msg36523755#msg36523755)  I was upset, it looks like a bribe, I wanted to refuse dirty merits...  Again, he exploited his source merits for his personal use in addition to the abuse of 30 source merits sent for his favorite coins... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3443147.0

No one can rehabilitate him... why is he still a merit source (and staff and bounty manager)?  His merit history needs to be investigated in more detail...  

No way... you shouldn't give me your source merits... again it is your personal use, and even worse for this time, it looks like a bribe...

Furthermore, now the poll is "Yes:1 vs No:0" and I'm sure you've just voted "yes", which conflicts with the fact that you admitted your fault and eliminated your stake.  If you are really acknowledging me about that and thought that such a counting was inappropriate, the answer should be "No"...

You just wanted to finish the argument asap, sending merits to me and voting "yes"...


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: InvoKing on May 08, 2018, 12:12:38 AM
No one can rehabilitate him... why is he still a merit source (and staff and bounty manager)?

"We" do not have a better user to take his place so let's just keep him, he "may" improves? Better than removing the whole Japanese board...
Code : Run4cash
Decrypt it, you will find : fail. Epic fail.
He has to look outside the ICOs' box to see the real btctalk world.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: digaran on May 08, 2018, 10:04:48 AM
@Anon11073 I'm really sorry for what I did on another thread. I was under the impression that you were no longer a merit source for Japanese board.
I'll go and edit my post. this seems like I was trying to take your place. I wasn't.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: LoyceV on May 08, 2018, 11:10:58 AM
The thing is that, however, now I found he sent me merits! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3597531.msg36523755#msg36523755)  I was upset, it looks like a bride, I wanted to refuse dirty merits...
Bribe, the word is bribe :D

Merit is supposed to be used for posts worth reading. From his perspective, I can imagine your post is worth reading.
Merit isn't meant to be a "like", it's very well possible to give merits for posts you disagree with, and it's totally up to you to consider it a bribe. A simply solution is not to do favors for merit, so a possible bribe doesn't work.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 08, 2018, 08:13:14 PM
"We" do not have a better user to take his place so let's just keep him, he "may" improves? Better than removing the whole Japanese board...
Code : Run4cash
Decrypt it, you will find : fail. Epic fail.
He has to look outside the ICOs' box to see the real btctalk world.
I'm actually pessimistic about his future improvement... he doesn't look like reading the threads.  If he is the best member in the Japanese board, I do think the Japanese board is unnecessary.

Merit is supposed to be used for posts worth reading. From his perspective, I can imagine your post is worth reading.
I hope this is the true story... If the merits came from his own merit, I would be more comfortable, but they are source merits.  The fact that he exploited 30 source merits for personal uses makes me skeptical about his merits sent to me...  And from his replies, I don't think he has read the threads and leaned a lesson...

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Merit isn't meant to be a "like", it's very well possible to give merits for posts you disagree with, and it's totally up to you to consider it a bribe. A simply solution is not to do favors for merit, so a possible bribe doesn't work.
Absolutely right, I will simply forget about the merits he sent to me.

Anyway I posted the summary of these threads in the cosplay token announcement thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821548.msg36713477#msg36713477
since I can't send them PM.  We'll see devs notice the post and respond to it...


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 09, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
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[1] Any other manager want to comment?

I am waiting for the most experienced and trusted Bounty Manager on BitcoinTalk to present his views, but looks like he has gone missing after committing quite a few shenanigans.  ;D ;D
So who is the most experienced and trusted Bounty Manager in the forum and how can we get the answer from him?

I think LoyceV is experienced and trusted bounty manager, who has been in the forum for three years with green trust 11: -0 / +2.  In the poll, he answered that the counting is indeed unusual, and people merited his answer:

He claims that posts before wearing the signature should be included; in this case his posts made between 2nd to 5th April, even though they were posted before wearing the signature
I've never seen or managed any campaign that counts posts like this.


Being an ex-shitposting BM; I think it's not correct for him unless it was mentioned in the rules. Apart from that contacting the ICO to ascertain the case would be better.
It's not mentioned in the rule.  Such a counting rule leads to an easy abuse: one can wear other signature for almost the whole week, and then just before the counting date one can change the signature to the bounty where the special rule applies, and can claim that his posts in the whole week should be included.  One can easily double his stakes...

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I was upset, it looks like a bride[1], I wanted[2] to refuse dirty merits...

[1] What??? How??? Where???   :o

     Ohh!!! Bribe...  ;D ;D ;D

[2] You don't have an option to refuse merits; even if they are dirty  ::) ; but do take a shower to maintain your hygiene.
yeah bribe... funny, I typed several times but somehow one of them was typed as bride.  Now I took a shower and forgot about it...


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 09, 2018, 04:16:06 PM
I'm sorry. I was doing the final stakes calculation of Cosplay Token and the reply was delayed.


I was delegated all of the Bounty program from the team.

I made improvements in response to your remarks.
What do you want from me? Should I prohibit my participation?


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: cotiniber on May 11, 2018, 07:38:20 PM
I'm sorry. I was doing the final stakes calculation of Cosplay Token and the reply was delayed.


I was delegated all of the Bounty program from the team.

I made improvements in response to your remarks.
What do you want from me? Should I prohibit my participation?
Read... read the posts... these are the posts about your abuses, why don't you simply read them before asking stupidly?

I suggest you to follow the LoyceV's feedback since he looks like the most experienced and trusted bounty manager who responded to this issue.  Stop your unusual counting and exclude yourself from participating in campaigns you are managing.  Read his post quoted below and bear in mind...  Needless to say, you should also read the theymos' merit thread as a merit source.  Educate yourself more...

He claims that posts before wearing the signature should be included; in this case his posts made between 2nd to 5th April, even though they were posted before wearing the signature
I've never seen or managed any campaign that counts posts like this.

The bounty managers are  normally shouldnt be in the spreadsheet,because the ICO developers would pay these people weekly and having those accounts in the spreadsheet is clearly an abuse
Even if it's all according to the rules, it's a conflict of interest. I've excluded myself from entering any of the (Bitcoin) giveaway campaigns I've managed in the past, even though Admin told me I could join too. Conflicts of interest can lead to biased decisions, or at least it can appear to be biased. As a campaign manager, it's in your own interest to prevent that from happening, and I choose being neutral over a quick buck.

This is ultimately up to the person who is paying *for* the advertising.
True, but it defies common sense, which means that it should explicitely be discussed and published.

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As I mentioned previously, if you make a post on Monday, start wearing a signature advertisement on Wednesday, on Thursday someone might read that post.
That works both ways: if you start wearing a signature on Monday, someone might read a post you made 3 days earlier on the same day too. One way or another, wearing your signature for less days gives it less exposure.

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If this is something the person paying for the advertising is okay with there is no issue here. It is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.
As a campaign manager, I would strongly advise against this if a company asks for it. So far I haven't read whether or not they knew about it.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: bigmelons25 on May 11, 2018, 08:24:51 PM
$4000 is nothing, does it really warrant to make a huge thread for this amount of pockaet change.


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: allahabadi on May 11, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
$4000 is nothing, does it really warrant to make a huge thread for this amount of pockaet change.

I sincerely hope that you are joking... This is more than what half the people in my country earn for their annual income...

Also, the thread raises questions of behaviour on part of a Bounty Manager who is in a fiduciary capacity.  



P.S. If you feel 4000$ is a small amount; do send 400$ worth BTC at the donation address of archive.org  

https://archive.org/donate/bitcoin.php


Title: Re: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000
Post by: Anon11073 on May 12, 2018, 03:49:49 PM
I'm sorry. I was doing the final stakes calculation of Cosplay Token and the reply was delayed.


I was delegated all of the Bounty program from the team.

I made improvements in response to your remarks.
What do you want from me? Should I prohibit my participation?
Read... read the posts... these are the posts about your abuses, why don't you simply read them before asking stupidly?

I suggest you to follow the LoyceV's feedback since he looks like the most experienced and trusted bounty manager who responded to this issue.  Stop your unusual counting and exclude yourself from participating in campaigns you are managing.  Read his post quoted below and bear in mind...  Needless to say, you should also read the theymos' merit thread as a merit source.  Educate yourself more...

He claims that posts before wearing the signature should be included; in this case his posts made between 2nd to 5th April, even though they were posted before wearing the signature
I've never seen or managed any campaign that counts posts like this.

The bounty managers are  normally shouldnt be in the spreadsheet,because the ICO developers would pay these people weekly and having those accounts in the spreadsheet is clearly an abuse
Even if it's all according to the rules, it's a conflict of interest. I've excluded myself from entering any of the (Bitcoin) giveaway campaigns I've managed in the past, even though Admin told me I could join too. Conflicts of interest can lead to biased decisions, or at least it can appear to be biased. As a campaign manager, it's in your own interest to prevent that from happening, and I choose being neutral over a quick buck.

This is ultimately up to the person who is paying *for* the advertising.
True, but it defies common sense, which means that it should explicitely be discussed and published.

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As I mentioned previously, if you make a post on Monday, start wearing a signature advertisement on Wednesday, on Thursday someone might read that post.
That works both ways: if you start wearing a signature on Monday, someone might read a post you made 3 days earlier on the same day too. One way or another, wearing your signature for less days gives it less exposure.

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If this is something the person paying for the advertising is okay with there is no issue here. It is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.
As a campaign manager, I would strongly advise against this if a company asks for it. So far I haven't read whether or not they knew about it.
I deleted myself from the bounty campaign.

Thanks for your advice.
Based on the opinions of experienced bounty manager, I will try to manage more equitably in the future.