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Title: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: kiba on August 10, 2011, 03:04:40 AM
What kind of program or site would you like to see built?

What I am looking for is to build value in the bitcoin economy by building small and useful sites/applications or perhaps just interesting contents to look at(like statistics).

Wanna earn them and build the bitcoin economy. Cause, the bigger the economy, the richer I will be! Note: I don't actually make money from bitcoinweekly and any profit it made goes to Bitcoin Weekly operation funds and expansion. In fact, I probably lost more money in that venture. But it made the Bitcoin landscape a bit better. I am just looking for profitable way to help people.


Remember folks, it gottach be a small project but useful! That's what I choose. Even if you have a crazy ideas, let them loose! I might pick up potential in a similar idea but doable project.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: D.H. on August 10, 2011, 06:00:06 AM
I want a site where I can "redeem" a private key. See this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25119.0).


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: geek-trader on August 10, 2011, 06:55:16 AM
I'd like to be able to pay with my phone.  My iPhone.

I know Apple does not allow this, but there is no such app in Cydia, either


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: NothinG on August 10, 2011, 07:03:49 AM
I'd like to be able to pay with my phone.  My iPhone.

I know Apple does not allow this, but there is no such app in Cydia, either
Would you care if it's a web-based application only needing safari to use?


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: geek-trader on August 10, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
I'd like to be able to pay with my phone.  My iPhone.

I know Apple does not allow this, but there is no such app in Cydia, either
Would you care if it's a web-based application only needing safari to use?

That would be fine, but I would like to be able to scan a Q-code, and not type in an address :)


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: NothinG on August 10, 2011, 07:21:13 AM
I'd like to be able to pay with my phone.  My iPhone.

I know Apple does not allow this, but there is no such app in Cydia, either
Would you care if it's a web-based application only needing safari to use?

That would be fine, but I would like to be able to scan a Q-code, and not type in an address :)
Looks like I need to look into Q-Codes xD


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: NothinG on August 10, 2011, 08:18:33 AM
Grabbing Android SDK while I'm at it.

http://gyazo.com/635a58ea223b8f181052c4da6731a35a.png


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: BitcoinPorn on August 10, 2011, 08:50:33 AM
Remember folks, it gottach be a small project but useful! That's what I choose. Even if you have a crazy ideas, let them loose! I might pick up potential in a similar idea but doable project.
I have something that can be as small of a project as you want it. 

Take the ideas these two have http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27088.msg341387#msg341387 http://bitcointalk.org/?topic=5194.0 regarding Bitcoin and personal security.  And put all that information on a landing page and make it actually easy to read. 

Now the landing page, as not to be overcrowded, can link to "sets" of directions (for example, one of those was like 14 steps, maybe 3 per page or whatever it is that is necessary to SIMPLIFY the process WITHOUT taking away the usefulness).

Google adwords the page up.  Buy a domain.  I guarantee this could be a 'staple' page, and however invests the time in it will reap the rewards of both the traffic and more than likely donations for being helpful.

Throwing this out here detailed enough so hopefully someone will pick it up, I truly do not have the time nor the motivation to personally help newcomers to Bitcoin right now, but I would not want to hinder others and think this could be something great for both newcomers and old members.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: kiba on August 10, 2011, 11:08:52 PM
Keep the ideas coming.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: Tasty Champa on August 11, 2011, 01:13:49 AM
I got something for you.

you make a tabular site for dynamic pages then you sell the pages.
so technically you sell only 1 page sites that fit all in one screen, that all have a similar interface run by different subscribers.
think of all the different things Star Trek could do with the LCARS interface as the example.
I would imagine the majority of work would indeed be behind the scenes technical stuff and working with people troubleshooting stuff when it arises.
then you could have a donation payment system, which you could receive a small percentage.
You could also require the pages to be dynamic, utilizing HTML5 standards, and since the full site itself would probably be rather small also mirror the site across several servers so it never goes down.

most people don't need a full blown hosting package, just a way to have their page seen.
you could call it social hosting!


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: payb.tc on August 11, 2011, 01:14:27 AM
i think someone has mentioned this elsewhere already but a wallet service that had subscription functionality would be good.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: kiba on August 11, 2011, 03:02:20 AM
i think someone has mentioned this elsewhere already but a wallet service that had subscription functionality would be good.

Explain in details?


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: payb.tc on August 11, 2011, 03:14:36 AM
i think someone has mentioned this elsewhere already but a wallet service that had subscription functionality would be good.

Explain in details?

i wish i could find the thread where someone else explained it but a good comparison is alertpay.

i think paypal also caters for subscriptions.

let's say you have a 'membership' site that you want to charge 3 BTC per month for access.

a user subscribes to your site via a wallet service that caters for this. 3 btc is charged and the user is given access. (this part is no different from current set ups that are available right now... it's a callback to your server where you authenticate the payment).

then every 30 days, an extra 3 btc is automatically sent from the user to the merchant for continued access.this is initiated by the wallet service (cron job?) where the user should keep at least 3 btc available for his next month's subscription payment.

if the user doesn't have 3 btc available in their wallet for that month's payment, then their subscription is cancelled and they are unsubscribed from the site. (or optionally, they are sent a warning email asking them to top-up their account so the payment can be re-tried in 24 hours).

the merchant who runs the membership site could have options to set up all kinds of subscriptions depending on what the subscription is for. eg, they could set it up so that it cost 0.05 btc for a 3-day trial, and then 1 btc per month after that.

anyone implementing such a feature should definitely look into the way alertpay handles this.

with other options like alertpay, shorter subscription periods (i.e. daily) are impractical because of the high fees... you can't do $1 / day subscription because it'd cost the member $2.50 / day after all the fees, and the merchant would still only get $1 out of that. but with bitcoin it becomes feasible to have much shorter rollover periods.




...as a side note, there are sooooo many websites that i can imagine making use of such a system.

eg. bitcoin monitor is free the way it is now, but 0.1 btc per month for more detailed graphs.
mtgox is 0.65% commissions, but pay 5 btc per month to have unlimited 'free' trading for that month.
various btc websites that now contain ads, you could pay 0.05 btc per month to use an ad-free version.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: kiba on August 11, 2011, 01:20:04 PM
i wish i could find the thread where someone else explained it but a good comparison is alertpay.

i think paypal also caters for subscriptions.

let's say you have a 'membership' site that you want to charge 3 BTC per month for access.

a user subscribes to your site via a wallet service that caters for this. 3 btc is charged and the user is given access. (this part is no different from current set ups that are available right now... it's a callback to your server where you authenticate the payment).

then every 30 days, an extra 3 btc is automatically sent from the user to the merchant for continued access.this is initiated by the wallet service (cron job?) where the user should keep at least 3 btc available for his next month's subscription payment.

if the user doesn't have 3 btc available in their wallet for that month's payment, then their subscription is cancelled and they are unsubscribed from the site. (or optionally, they are sent a warning email asking them to top-up their account so the payment can be re-tried in 24 hours).

the merchant who runs the membership site could have options to set up all kinds of subscriptions depending on what the subscription is for. eg, they could set it up so that it cost 0.05 btc for a 3-day trial, and then 1 btc per month after that.

anyone implementing such a feature should definitely look into the way alertpay handles this.

with other options like alertpay, shorter subscription periods (i.e. daily) are impractical because of the high fees... you can't do $1 / day subscription because it'd cost the member $2.50 / day after all the fees, and the merchant would still only get $1 out of that. but with bitcoin it becomes feasible to have much shorter rollover periods.




...as a side note, there are sooooo many websites that i can imagine making use of such a system.

eg. bitcoin monitor is free the way it is now, but 0.1 btc per month for more detailed graphs.
mtgox is 0.65% commissions, but pay 5 btc per month to have unlimited 'free' trading for that month.
various btc websites that now contain ads, you could pay 0.05 btc per month to use an ad-free version.


I think there are bitcoin payment processing companies out there that help enable subscription. However, I don't think I can offer much in the way of value and competition.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: payb.tc on August 11, 2011, 01:29:12 PM
I think there are bitcoin payment processing companies out there that help enable subscription.

wow really? i haven't found one yet. last i heard walletbit was 'going to' do it but hasn't yet.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: bitstarter on August 11, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
I think there are bitcoin payment processing companies out there that help enable subscription.

wow really? i haven't found one yet. last i heard walletbit was 'going to' do it but hasn't yet.


No, there is another one I'll have to look through my notes.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on August 11, 2011, 04:56:06 PM
i think someone has mentioned this elsewhere already but a wallet service that had subscription functionality would be good.

Explain in details?

i wish i could find the thread where someone else explained it but a good comparison is alertpay.

i think paypal also caters for subscriptions.

let's say you have a 'membership' site that you want to charge 3 BTC per month for access.

a user subscribes to your site via a wallet service that caters for this. 3 btc is charged and the user is given access. (this part is no different from current set ups that are available right now... it's a callback to your server where you authenticate the payment).

then every 30 days, an extra 3 btc is automatically sent from the user to the merchant for continued access.this is initiated by the wallet service (cron job?) where the user should keep at least 3 btc available for his next month's subscription payment.

if the user doesn't have 3 btc available in their wallet for that month's payment, then their subscription is cancelled and they are unsubscribed from the site. (or optionally, they are sent a warning email asking them to top-up their account so the payment can be re-tried in 24 hours).

the merchant who runs the membership site could have options to set up all kinds of subscriptions depending on what the subscription is for. eg, they could set it up so that it cost 0.05 btc for a 3-day trial, and then 1 btc per month after that.

anyone implementing such a feature should definitely look into the way alertpay handles this.

with other options like alertpay, shorter subscription periods (i.e. daily) are impractical because of the high fees... you can't do $1 / day subscription because it'd cost the member $2.50 / day after all the fees, and the merchant would still only get $1 out of that. but with bitcoin it becomes feasible to have much shorter rollover periods.




...as a side note, there are sooooo many websites that i can imagine making use of such a system.

eg. bitcoin monitor is free the way it is now, but 0.1 btc per month for more detailed graphs.
mtgox is 0.65% commissions, but pay 5 btc per month to have unlimited 'free' trading for that month.
various btc websites that now contain ads, you could pay 0.05 btc per month to use an ad-free version.



Before posting my comment on the above post, I want to say hi to bitstarter. Did you get and read my PM to you, bitstarter? I look forward to being onboard at rollout.

Now this:

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let's say you have a 'membership' site that you want to charge 3 BTC per month for access.

I understand the monthly access charge, but how would you adjust the monthly rate if it's based on BTC. Each month, the numbered BTC would have to change due to the fluctuations at the Bitcoin exchanges. For example, $30 per month would be 3 BTC, but next month that may equate to 2.7 BTC or 3.9 BTC, and each month after that there will have to be an adjustment of sorts (sometimes even extending the decimal point because of the perceived difference between $29.97 and $30.09).

The whole sound idea would be based on Bitcoin, BTC, etc., until pricing comes up and your forced to express it in fiat.

Please correct me if I'm wrong or if you see a wraparound solution.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: payb.tc on August 11, 2011, 05:00:01 PM
Quote
let's say you have a 'membership' site that you want to charge 3 BTC per month for access.

I understand the monthly access charge, but how would you adjust the monthly rate if it's based on BTC. Each month, the numbered BTC would have to change due to the fluctuations at the Bitcoin exchanges. For example, $30 per month would be 3 BTC, but next month that may equate to 2.7 BTC or 3.9 BTC, and each month after that there will have to be an adjustment of sorts (sometimes even extending the decimal point because of the perceived difference between $29.97 and $30.09).

The whole sound idea would be based on Bitcoin, BTC, etc., until pricing comes up and your forced to express it in fiat.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and you see a wraparound solution.

well, you could leave it up to the merchant.... the merchant should have a million options in their wallet account as to how the subscription is set up.

$1.95 for a 3 day trial, and then $30 / month recurring... and then let the wallet service charge the equivalent in bitcoins based on some fair rate that's constantly updated.

i'm sure wallets right now can easily charge in USD, so it could be also done for recurring payments.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: kiba on August 12, 2011, 01:22:25 AM
I think the private address claim service is a good idea. Let me see what I will whip up during the weekend.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: Stephen Gornick on August 12, 2011, 12:22:07 PM
A wallet cemetery service.

Having bitcoin on many computers and virtual machines, I have many wallets that I've used at one time but don't think I will ever use again.  I'ld simply delete these but I never know if, for some reason, someone at a later time would send another transaction to the same address that is now in a dead, deleted wallet.

A service I think might be useful would be to accept my empty wallet as an upload, which would then import the keys from that wallet and associate them to my account.  If any funds are ever received to those addresses, I get a certain percent, and the cemetary service gets a cut for their efforts.  I would use it even if I only got back just half though I suspect the rate could not be too excessive or competition would emerge (and because I still might have the wallets backed up, the competitor could become even as far as ability to spend any coins that arrive.)

I do know that once the merge capability is in the bitcoin client that this cemetary service will be less necessary, but at the same time, uploading a wallet and entering an email address is going to be the simplest solution -- which often becomes the winning solution.

I'ld love to see someone offer such a service.


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: Explodicle on August 12, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
I'm still holding my breath for bitpredict.  ;D
(for those unaware: http://bitcointalk.org/?topic=1047.0)

Has anyone started a bounty for an open-source bitcoin prediction market yet?


Title: Re: What kind of Bitcoin program and related site would you find useful?
Post by: tylerR on August 12, 2011, 01:44:38 PM
I'd like to be able to pay with my phone.  My iPhone.

I know Apple does not allow this, but there is no such app in Cydia, either

I've made one. It supports TradeHill, ExchB, CampBX, InstaWallet and Mt. Gox (once Gox finally get back to me about their API activation, I can finish and release it). Depending on the service, you can trade, withdraw/deposit, and the all-important pay/receive with QR-codes. The first version just supports TH and is a simple trading app, but it is available on Cydia and the source is at https://github.com/teeman/BitcoinTrader (https://github.com/teeman/BitcoinTrader). If you, or anyone else, has a jailbroken iPhone and want to give me some feedback on the new version, shoot me a PM.