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Title: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: BitcoinBug on August 11, 2011, 12:10:30 PM
I have an idea! If anybody has an hour or two to spare, he can create:
- I0coin (= Ixcoin with 0 pregenerated blocks)
- IBcoin (= Ixcoin with all pregenerated coins intended for bounties). Bounty block would be the first one, it would generate 200k coins or whatever Ixcoin is offering (with all bounty coins public), after that generation would mimic Ixcoin.

Either way, I think people would jump from Ixcoin in notime (or realize the absurd idea of Ixcoin) ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Xephan on August 11, 2011, 12:12:51 PM
I have an idea! If anybody has an hour or two to spare, he can create:
- I0coin (= Ixcoin with 0 pregenerated blocks)
- IBcoin (= Ixcoin with all pregenerated coins intended for bounties). Bounty block would be the first one, it would generate 200k coins or whatever Ixcoin is offering (with all bounty coins public), after that generation would mimic Ixcoin.

Either way, I think people would jump from Ixcoin in notime (or realize the absurd idea of Ixcoin) ;D


Damnit, keep quiet at least until I've finished mining 10 million coins on my 42 million limit mature by 2013 version :x


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Clipse on August 13, 2011, 04:07:50 AM
I have an idea! If anybody has an hour or two to spare, he can create:
- I0coin (= Ixcoin with 0 pregenerated blocks)
- IBcoin (= Ixcoin with all pregenerated coins intended for bounties). Bounty block would be the first one, it would generate 200k coins or whatever Ixcoin is offering (with all bounty coins public), after that generation would mimic Ixcoin.

Either way, I think people would jump from Ixcoin in notime (or realize the absurd idea of Ixcoin) ;D


Cool its been more than 1 or 2 hrs, where is it?

Oh right, its allways easier to type than do, well done buddy.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BitcoinBug on August 13, 2011, 06:38:30 AM
Oh right, its allways easier to type than do, well done buddy.

Of course, it's only an idea. What's wrong with generating and sharing ideas?
It's always easier to complain though.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: RandyFolds on August 13, 2011, 06:41:57 AM
Man, if I had the coding knowledge or the BTC to pay someone who did, I would already have released five different variations, just to mock this fucking fool and all the people jumping on his bandwagon.

I wish someone would do it so people would see what a joke it is. Oh, open source, I wish people didn't abuse you so.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 13, 2011, 06:53:45 AM
Man, if I had the coding knowledge or the BTC to pay someone who did, I would already have released five different variations, just to mock this fucking fool and all the people jumping on his bandwagon.

I wish someone would do it so people would see what a joke it is. Oh, open source, I wish people didn't abuse you so.
1. learn how to code
2. get more money.

problem solved.  :P

lacking in both?
i will laugh at you.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: RandyFolds on August 13, 2011, 07:11:49 AM
Man, if I had the coding knowledge or the BTC to pay someone who did, I would already have released five different variations, just to mock this fucking fool and all the people jumping on his bandwagon.

I wish someone would do it so people would see what a joke it is. Oh, open source, I wish people didn't abuse you so.
1. learn how to code
2. get more money.

problem solved.  :P

lacking in both?
i will laugh at you.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

1. Go learn the captive propagation of Acroprid corals...makes about as much sense as me learning to code. I don't sit in front of a computer for work. I'm not interested in learning.
2. I'll fix it. If I had the desire to pay someone the BTC...trolling isn't worth money. It would take some of the soul out of it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: nmat on August 13, 2011, 07:18:40 AM
Well, the differences from the original code aren't many. I bet we could make a little program to create currencies. You choose:
- Name
- BTC per block
- Difficulty increase
(...)

Then click a button and that's it. You have another currency  8)

I could try to do it, but I don't have the time at the moment...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: RandyFolds on August 13, 2011, 07:30:32 AM
Well, the differences from the original code aren't many. I bet we could make a little program to create currencies. You choose:
- Name
- BTC per block
- Difficulty increase
(...)

Then click a button and that's it. You have another currency  8)

I could try to do it, but I don't have the time at the moment...

Maybe I need a new hobby?? Unfortunately, I don't even know where to start, and I am not a huge fan of math. Biology is my game.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Clipse on August 13, 2011, 11:11:17 AM
Oh right, its allways easier to type than do, well done buddy.

Of course, it's only an idea. What's wrong with generating and sharing ideas?
It's always easier to complain though.

What was the point of this post if it wasnt intended to complain about the fork ?

And yes looking at your OP it is indeed easier to complain.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BitcoinBug on August 13, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
If you see this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.msg446397#msg446397
... maybe you will recognize, I'm not actually complaining about Ixcoin as much as I don't see real value in it. But I think it is welcome, just for the learning experience. So I guess it actually has some value ;). And another Ixcoin clone would be very interesting in that respect.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BCEmporium on August 13, 2011, 02:17:43 PM
1. learn how to code

1.1 Grab the code, change its name, recompile it

Quote
problem solved.  :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 13, 2011, 04:52:40 PM
1. learn how to code

1.1 Grab the code, change its name, recompile it

Quote
problem solved.  :P

you're doing it wrong.

1. grab the code
2. rename it
3. ???
4. Profit!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: phelix on August 13, 2011, 10:07:53 PM
I have an idea! If anybody has an hour or two to spare, he can create:
- I0coin (= Ixcoin with 0 pregenerated blocks)
- IBcoin (= Ixcoin with all pregenerated coins intended for bounties). Bounty block would be the first one, it would generate 200k coins or whatever Ixcoin is offering (with all bounty coins public), after that generation would mimic Ixcoin.

Either way, I think people would jump from Ixcoin in notime (or realize the absurd idea of Ixcoin) ;D

+1  somebody do it already - and tell me when it starts  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 14, 2011, 12:30:51 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: dayfall on August 14, 2011, 01:09:44 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)

Man, I was just about to make my own..  Oh well,  I am ready to start mining iocoin!

Can I request that the difficulty adjustments set the difficulty to 1/10 of the normal value?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: wallet.dat on August 14, 2011, 01:19:10 AM
Be prepared for a bunch of people coming in here decrying this as a scam.  But you probably won't have to worry about this until about the 7th or 8th difficulty adjustments.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jackjack on August 14, 2011, 01:20:50 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)
If you're going to make that seriously please adjust the difficulty if it hasn't changed for 1 month


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Stefanie Andrea on August 14, 2011, 01:27:27 AM
I'm tri-mining now   ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: nmat on August 14, 2011, 01:33:35 AM
And make it like 1.000 coins per block so that we can finish it up during the first month. I hate long pyramid schemes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Seraphim401 on August 14, 2011, 02:30:42 AM
Is Ixcoin taking hash-power away from the BTC network?
As of the typing of this only 4.76 bl/hr are being generated.
We really need to get merged mining going, otherwise when Oh-look another-coin comes along we'll be down to 3 bl/hr.
   


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BitcoinBug on August 14, 2011, 05:28:35 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)

 ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Oldminer on August 14, 2011, 05:48:39 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)

 ;D

Wallet encryption?

Nice


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 14, 2011, 07:25:01 AM
IOCOIN does sound a lot less scammy than ixcoin.

IXcoin had a huge bug I wish to ask yall to avoid.

if You are tired and stupid like me and accidently try to send your ixcoin to a btc addy liek 1JDK9BUeTvJE1wDpJ77NDuWct5BYko68Ry rather than saying this is not an ixcoin addy(like the btc client would do, except it would say this isnt a btc addy) it decides to transform that addy I passed into this one xprZ2AcQSpF8skTmg15M9D5BjgjirmzLvx and send off the coin.

This as you can imagine has annoyed me to no end, but it is also a huge design flaw that seems to have been purposefully added to the ixcoin client... If you try this the opposite way, and try to send btc to xprZ2AcQSpF8skTmg15M9D5BjgjirmzLvx, the btc client says "THAT IS NOT A BTC ADDY"  like it should. It doesnt try to transform that addy into some unknown btc addy and send off my shit.

anyways please avoid that pitfall. We have enough to worry about with rogue online wallet opperators and trojans trying to steal our stuff and everyone trying to scam you out of bitcoins, we shouldnt have to worry the app my transform a typo into a valid address rather than informing you that you had a typo.

can you imagine if the bank did that? You tried to send money to a bank addy that didnt exist and they just made one up for you that did.

anyways dont copy scamcoin, copy bitcoin and make sure you dont copy that purposefully designed design flaw.
 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Tomatocage on August 14, 2011, 07:44:37 AM
IOCOIN does sound a lot less scammy than ixcoin.

 ::) They're ALL scams and it's just a matter of time before the government cracks down on all you fools who think you can print your own money.  It serves you right trying to make money out of thin air.  I hope you lost big, scammer.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 14, 2011, 08:07:54 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)
please adjust the difficulty if it hasn't changed for 1 month
Done, i modified the code to auto retarget (change difficulty) if two weeks OR 2016 blocks has passed. :)

Let me do some more tests, i'll release the client & commit the source soon  :D

Edit:

anyways please avoid that pitfall. We have enough to worry about with rogue online wallet opperators and trojans trying to steal our stuff and everyone trying to scam you out of bitcoins, we shouldnt have to worry the app my transform a typo into a valid address rather than informing you that you had a typo.
Sure, i'll look in that :)

Edit2:
When I release the client, the blockchain will have 0 blocks, don't worry :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Trini8ed on August 14, 2011, 08:10:20 AM
IOCOIN does sound a lot less scammy than ixcoin.

 ::) They're ALL scams and it's just a matter of time before the government cracks down on all you fools who think you can print your own money.  It serves you right trying to make money out of thin air.  I hope you lost big, scammer.

Wow did you really just say that go take your dirty mouth and take it off this forum... Bitcoins are competently legal there is nothing wrong with them people like you keep giving our community a bad name just like silk road when there is just 1 site selling drugs everyone thinks bitcoins is bad but then meanwhile back in America people buy all sorts of drugs with real money there is not just 1 place its fucking everywhere so take your shit elsewhere!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 14, 2011, 08:15:29 AM
yeah I think he is trolling.
bitcoin was invented to solve issues the author perceived with fiat money. IXcoin on the other hand, was invented for pump and dump and to get the author rich as they were probably upset they missed the bitcoin start. It solves NO problems with bitcoin, it simply exists as a gambling device.


ANymoo.. when can you actually mine these iocoins? is there a target date? I'm actually am interested in iocoins as they are trying to expose the flaw in ixcoin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 14, 2011, 09:27:37 AM
Coming soon..
https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin

 ;)
please adjust the difficulty if it hasn't changed for 1 month
Done, i modified the code to auto retarget (change difficulty) if two weeks OR 2016 blocks has passed. :)

Let me do some more tests, i'll release the client & commit the source soon  :D

Edit:

anyways please avoid that pitfall. We have enough to worry about with rogue online wallet opperators and trojans trying to steal our stuff and everyone trying to scam you out of bitcoins, we shouldnt have to worry the app my transform a typo into a valid address rather than informing you that you had a typo.
Sure, i'll look in that :)

Edit2:
When I release the client, the blockchain will have 0 blocks, don't worry :)

Also please put an announcement out stating the start date a bit in advance so those wanting to mine can do it in a fair manner. Thanks for your efforts!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jackjack on August 14, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
IOCOIN does sound a lot less scammy than ixcoin.

IXcoin had a huge bug I wish to ask yall to avoid.

if You are tired and stupid like me and accidently try to send your ixcoin to a btc addy liek 1JDK9BUeTvJE1wDpJ77NDuWct5BYko68Ry rather than saying this is not an ixcoin addy(like the btc client would do, except it would say this isnt a btc addy) it decides to transform that addy I passed into this one xprZ2AcQSpF8skTmg15M9D5BjgjirmzLvx and send off the coin.

This as you can imagine has annoyed me to no end, but it is also a huge design flaw that seems to have been purposefully added to the ixcoin client... If you try this the opposite way, and try to send btc to xprZ2AcQSpF8skTmg15M9D5BjgjirmzLvx, the btc client says "THAT IS NOT A BTC ADDY"  like it should. It doesnt try to transform that addy into some unknown btc addy and send off my shit.

anyways please avoid that pitfall. We have enough to worry about with rogue online wallet opperators and trojans trying to steal our stuff and everyone trying to scam you out of bitcoins, we shouldnt have to worry the app my transform a typo into a valid address rather than informing you that you had a typo.

can you imagine if the bank did that? You tried to send money to a bank addy that didnt exist and they just made one up for you that did.

anyways dont copy scamcoin, copy bitcoin and make sure you dont copy that purposefully designed design flaw.
 
Pywallet can recover your ixcoins


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jackjack on August 14, 2011, 05:16:44 PM
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=26808.0
s/testnet/ixcoin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 14, 2011, 09:44:34 PM
Hey guys, thanks for your interest :)

Well, the blockchain will have the following "differences" from the main Bitcoin and Ixcoin:

- P2P Port = 7333
- Testnet P2P Port = 17333
- RPC Port = 7332
- Coins per block = 96
- Changed 4 byte "hello" message
- Difficulty will be re adjusted if 2016 blocks has been generated OR two weeks has passed from the last adjustment.
- Addresses will start with "j"
- Addresses only compatible on i0coin blockchain (Ex: bitcoin addr can't be used to send money on i0coin and vice-versa)
- And maybe more to come

I will be posting the client and documentation at 15:00 GMT of 15/August/2011


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: afro25 on August 14, 2011, 09:51:06 PM
So, we should be able to setup I0Coin and begin mining around 3pm GMT?

Excellent, I start work at 4pm and have to set out at half three, so i think i'll just set out later and make up some excuse if it takes me too long to set this up lol :P

Thanks for doing this by the way.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jackjack on August 14, 2011, 09:56:02 PM
- Addresses will start with "j"
Please post the version I'm too lazy to check it

And don't do what our new friend is about to do: allowing payments only to addresses above 'j'


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 14, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
Quote
Pywallet can recover your ixcoins

not if you dont own the wallet, but thanks.. i got them back anyways from bitparking who recovered them for me. and used pywallet to recover BTC before.. good advice.


Quote
The same bug exists in the bitcoin client as well do that send from the command line it will send using it, both the ixcoin and namecoin were copied from the bitcoin source they have not changed it to send to invalid address the flaw was there in the first place..

It exists in namecoin BUT DOES NOT EXIST IN the BTC client. Do it from the command line? WHY that is a different issue. WheN i paste a name coin addy or an Ixcoin addy into the bitcoin client and hit send, it says  "THAT IS NOT A VALID BITCOIN ADDY" ixcoins client does not, it transforms the bad addy into a good ixcoin addy..  If their is a bug in the btc client at the command line, it is totally different than what I am talking about with teh GUI clients of both ixcoin and bitcoin. SUre it was a copy but when you get different results by hitting the send button, then one has a bug and one dies not.

anyways this isnt the place for this, I just suggested address checking like the bitcoin client obviously has and the ixcoin client obviously doesnt.


Quote
Addresses only compatible on i0coin blockchain (Ex: bitcoin addr can't be used to send money on i0coin and vice-versa)



NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL SERVICE. loving iocoin already.  It has idiot sleepy cow protection


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jackjack on August 14, 2011, 10:51:47 PM
Ah I misread your sentence. Why do you want that?
It's up to the user to double check what he writes... Amounts AND addresses...
Just show a warning before sending the coins that the address seems to be a Bitcoin one and it's ok, you don't need to refuse Bitcoin addresses


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 14, 2011, 11:55:40 PM
- Addresses will start with "j"
Please post the version I'm too lazy to check it
Version 105

Just show a warning before sending the coins that the address seems to be a Bitcoin one and it's ok, you don't need to refuse Bitcoin addresses
I'm refusing to send coins to addresses that are not in i0coin range (currently limited only to version 105 on mainnet and 111 on testnet). After my patch, i tried bitcoin, namecoin and ixcoin address and of course all of them was rejected, and just to be sure i tested a i0coin address and the money went sucessfully :)




Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 02:06:43 AM
- Addresses will start with "j"
Please post the version I'm too lazy to check it
Version 105

Just show a warning before sending the coins that the address seems to be a Bitcoin one and it's ok, you don't need to refuse Bitcoin addresses
I'm refusing to send coins to addresses that are not in i0coin range (currently limited only to version 105 on mainnet and 111 on testnet). After my patch, i tried bitcoin, namecoin and ixcoin address and of course all of them was rejected, and just to be sure i tested a i0coin address and the money went sucessfully :)



Are you planning to post an official announcement on this forum with links and info?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 02:08:37 AM
Do you want an exchange?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: dayfall on August 15, 2011, 02:43:59 AM
I pledge 1 BTC if iocoin blocks are adjusted to be found less than 5minutes apart.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Fakeman on August 15, 2011, 02:51:04 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned before in this thread but how about a maximum round length of say 2-3 weeks to prevent the "namecoin effect" where high difficulty rounds drag on for months because nobody wants to mine.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: dayfall on August 15, 2011, 03:23:01 AM
With the amount of people likely to jump on it will be more like 5 seconds a block.

I meant that the difficulty recalculation should be half or less what is in the standard client.  If 50 coins per block is too little, then 10 minutes per block is too long.

I don't care how many coins are each block.  I just want to see how faster mining works out.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 03:24:23 AM
I don't care how many coins are each block.  I just want to see how faster mining works out.
Faster mining usually means more orphans for miners.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 15, 2011, 03:31:02 AM
Are you planning to post an official announcement on this forum with links and info?
Yes, also i'll setup a basic site to download the client (i'm not going to clone the bitcoin.org site) on www.i0coin.org

Do you want an exchange?
Of course, that would be awesome, thanks men!

Not sure if this was mentioned before in this thread but how about a maximum round length of say 2-3 weeks to prevent the "namecoin effect" where high difficulty rounds drag on for months because nobody wants to mine.
Yes, it will be auto adjusted if two weeks has elapsed from the last difficulty adjustment.

Edit:
Also, i'm going to adjust the value that cut the reward in half every 210000 blocks to 109375 blocks, so we'll avoid the "40M bug" :D I'll post a graph to explain this soon.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 04:11:21 AM
What does the counter counting down on i0coin.org exactly for if you are posting the software and documentation at 1500 GMT?

21 hours from now would be after 1500 GMT.

Am I correct in my assumption that you are releasing the software prior to the launch of the network for mining etc?

The reason i ask is because 1500 GMT is not 21 hours from now but more like 11 hours.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 04:12:37 AM
What does the counter counting down on i0coin.org exactly for if you are posting the software and documentation at 1500 GMT?
It says "Now!" for me. I live in the future it seems!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 04:16:37 AM
What does the counter counting down on i0coin.org exactly for if you are posting the software and documentation at 1500 GMT?
It says "Now!" for me. I live in the future it seems!

I'm confused. What does "Now!" mean and in what context. Currently it isnt 1500 GMT like was stated for release I0coin.

Edit: I forgot that DoubleC is in NZ. My bad.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 04:23:34 AM
Done, i modified the code to auto retarget (change difficulty) if two weeks OR 2016 blocks has passed. :)
Will this potentially cause problems due to time differences in nodes? If at the two week time period two blocks are found close together, and one node says it as being less than two weeks, but the other sees it as being more, then they will have a different difficulty calculation. Could result in a chain split?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 15, 2011, 04:49:26 AM
LET ME IN

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8jWti2j-38c/TQh4eDjktNI/AAAAAAAAB4U/bdIj3m499OA/s1600/f673d4ca.jpg

I am ready to mine


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Oldminer on August 15, 2011, 05:14:05 AM
http://www.pjvoice.com/v42/photos/sderot.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: coblee on August 15, 2011, 05:17:03 AM
When you release the client, please include a linux binary also.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 15, 2011, 05:23:51 AM
huh.

i suspect you can just change date & time in bios & windows to access it.




or not.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 15, 2011, 05:37:42 AM
MINE ALL THE COINS!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: payb.tc on August 15, 2011, 05:55:22 AM
don't know if this is serious or not but photoshop is fun, so here's a freebie:

http://payb.tc/images/io.png

http://payb.tc/images/io_italic.png

vector-based PSD available at http://payb.tc/iocoin_logo.zip

and incase it's not obvious, it's supposed to be an 'eye' with an 0 in it.




Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 15, 2011, 06:07:21 AM
so managed to kinda trick the website.




nothing's there.
/disappoint


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: wallet.dat on August 15, 2011, 06:22:36 AM
Expect all the "Ixcoin is a scam" people to flood the I0coin threads with the same tired rhetoric :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: payb.tc on August 15, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
anyone want to make a pre-emptive trade?

i'm not a miner, but would like to purchase 20,000 i0coins for 2 btc (rate 0.0001).

we agree on the deal now, with physical delivery no later than launch+72 hours (should be plenty of time).

edit: if the above price is unattractive, please post how much you'd charge for 20,000 i0coins... even though they don't exist yet :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 15, 2011, 06:54:28 AM
Expect all the "Ixcoin is a scam" people to flood the I0coin threads with the same tired rhetoric :)


Hey that's me!  :D

That is why I support IOcoin.

Personally I dont think either will survive that inflation rate, but IOcoin answers many of my misgivings over IXcoin, which I AM mining.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Xephan on August 15, 2011, 07:39:53 AM
Expect all the "Ixcoin is a scam" people to flood the I0coin threads with the same tired rhetoric :)

IOCoin is at least making an effort to address some of the issues Bitcoin faces so some of those objections about IXCoin won't be raised. :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BitcoinBug on August 15, 2011, 07:53:11 AM
What about this logo:

http://i51.tinypic.com/5lbecj.jpg

Vector image available.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 15, 2011, 08:06:39 AM
What does the counter counting down on i0coin.org exactly for if you are posting the software and documentation at 1500 GMT?

21 hours from now would be after 1500 GMT.

Am I correct in my assumption that you are releasing the software prior to the launch of the network for mining etc?

The reason i ask is because 1500 GMT is not 21 hours from now but more like 11 hours.
Sorry, i forgot to calculate the timezone, please try it again.

Done, i modified the code to auto retarget (change difficulty) if two weeks OR 2016 blocks has passed. :)
Will this potentially cause problems due to time differences in nodes? If at the two week time period two blocks are found close together, and one node says it as being less than two weeks, but the other sees it as being more, then they will have a different difficulty calculation. Could result in a chain split?
GetAdjustedTime() and the points #5 and #13 here (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_rules#.22block.22_messages) should take care of that but to be secure i'll implement in an upcoming version a sort of NTP check.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: CoinHunter on August 15, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Could I0coin also change the frequency of block generation? If blocks are generated every 5 minutes instead of 10 transactions can be completed sooner and the network will appear to move faster. If as we've seen a 10 minute turn into a 30 minute block or even a 60minute block, the network slows to a crawl and it's nearly impossible to trade on it (look at name coins and it's current 1 hour block generation). 5 minute blocks in these cases can't blow out quite as much and it will ensure a smoother network at a little cost to throughput.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 15, 2011, 10:18:58 AM
Could I0coin also change the frequency of block generation? If blocks are generated every 5 minutes instead of 10 transactions can be completed sooner and the network will appear to move faster. If as we've seen a 10 minute turn into a 30 minute block or even a 60minute block, the network slows to a crawl and it's nearly impossible to trade on it (look at name coins and it's current 1 hour block generation). 5 minute blocks in these cases can't blow out quite as much and it will ensure a smoother network at a little cost to throughput.
Like 48 coins per block (instead of 96), but one block each 5 min (instead of 10)? Sounds nice.

Guys, i'll be pushing the launch time a day, i want to release executables to most platforms, integrate this (http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/patching-the-bitcoin-client-to-make-it-more-anonymous/) feature into the client and maybe implement the NTP protocol.
This is not a get-rich-quick-release-asap fork, I want to do the things right :)

Preliminar source code is available on github: https://github.com/kr105rlz/i0coin
I've dropped the source forked from ixcoin and started from scratch using the main bitcoin coide (Yes, wallet encryption included :D)

I'll keep you updated!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
(Yes, wallet encryption included :D)
This seems risky since I don't think it has gone through any release candidate testing on bitcoin yet. Useful if you want to be the test bed for if it works or not. It'll also delay services based on ixcoin since they'll need to use the mechanisms for accessing/unlocking the wallet.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2011, 10:26:37 AM
I like that you are addressing some of the missing features of bitcoin rather than releasing exactly the same code with slight differences.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 15, 2011, 10:31:26 AM
(Yes, wallet encryption included :D)
This seems risky since I don't think it has gone through any release candidate testing on bitcoin yet. Useful if you want to be the test bed for if it works or not. It'll also delay services based on ixcoin since they'll need to use the mechanisms for accessing/unlocking the wallet.
Yes agree, but remember that the encryption comes disabled by default, so the user has the final word if he want to encrypt his wallet or not.

Thats one reason why i pushed the release date a bit, to get more comments and have time to test the new features.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Trini8ed on August 15, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
Are you fucking kidding me I just rent 5 ghash for 5 btc for a day GETTING ALL PREPARED THEN I SEE THIS !!!! When I had it all thought out with 5 hours remaining then the deadline increases  :'(

http://www.i0coin.org/

1 DAY AND 8 HOURS FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There better not be anymore delays OR I Will be out of another 10 btc :/


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Spacy on August 15, 2011, 10:57:07 AM
I hear, the first exchange will be IXC<=>I0C  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: CoinHunter on August 15, 2011, 11:00:56 AM
Like 48 coins per block (instead of 96), but one block each 5 min (instead of 10)? Sounds nice.

Yes exactly. 5 minute blocks will make a great difference to transaction speed and give I0coins a technical boost over the Bitcoin network, something it needs if it wants to gain traction. Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: payb.tc on August 15, 2011, 11:24:10 AM
I hear, the first exchange will be IXC<=>I0C  ;D

just a guess (because i don't know the guy) but it'd likely be doublec again... i mean, i can imagine it would only take a few cut+paste to modify his ixcoin exchange.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: peterpiper on August 15, 2011, 11:35:45 AM
Not sure if this has been noted in this thread (I couldn't see it) but I'm curious about this post. Will this have the same issue?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.msg456598#msg456598


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Trini8ed on August 15, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
Please tell me it will no longer get delayed?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BCEmporium on August 15, 2011, 12:36:06 PM
What's the use of this anyway?!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: afro25 on August 15, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
So this will now be released at 8pm GMT on the 16th? Can you confirm that?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 15, 2011, 01:09:29 PM
What's the use of this anyway?!

what was the use of ixcoin?

Unlike ixcoin, IOcoin actually addresses some issues with bitcoin, like wallet encryption which we have all been waiting too

Quote
So this will now be released at 8pm GMT on the 16th? Can you confirm that? long for.

well it was just delayed, there are no confirmations in life, but there is a count down for you to watch (http://www.i0coin.org/)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: btcpool24 on August 15, 2011, 01:10:46 PM
What about the keychain that is allready online ? ca. 720blocks?
Is this a testnet and will be resetted tomorrow?`



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 02:31:17 PM
Are you fucking kidding me I just rent 5 ghash for 5 btc for a day GETTING ALL PREPARED THEN I SEE THIS !!!! When I had it all thought out with 5 hours remaining then the deadline increases  :'(

http://www.i0coin.org/

1 DAY AND 8 HOURS FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There better not be anymore delays OR I Will be out of another 10 btc :/


Who did you rent 5 GH/s from?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2011, 02:39:33 PM
Goxxed again :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 15, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
To: I0coin dev, please do compile a windows version as well.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Trini8ed on August 15, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
To: I0coin dev, please do compile a windows version as well.

PLEASE HAVE a WINDOWS VERSION COMPILED I would be so mad if I turned out I had to compile...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: coblee on August 15, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
To: I0coin dev, please do compile a windows version as well.

PLEASE HAVE a WINDOWS VERSION COMPILED I would be so mad if I turned out I had to compile...

I've already asked for a compiled Linux version also. Thanks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: wallet.dat on August 15, 2011, 04:23:28 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?  Or do we have to wait til we pass 10 difficulty levels before the johnny come latelys, who missed the early adopter boat, start whining?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?  Or do we have to wait til we pass 10 difficulty levels before the johnny come latelys, who missed the early adopter boat, start whining?

you r spot on.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: rikur on August 15, 2011, 04:27:29 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?  Or do we have to wait til we pass 10 difficulty levels before the johnny come latelys, who missed the early adopter boat, start whining?

Maybe they heard the stories of people making 100s of BTC / night as early adopters to ixcoin (which is now dying). It's worth a shot. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: burp on August 15, 2011, 04:31:55 PM
What about the keychain that is allready online ? ca. 720blocks?
Is this a testnet and will be resetted tomorrow?`



Now there are already like 2400 blocks, are they kept?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jtimon on August 15, 2011, 04:40:17 PM
What is the difference between I0coin and bitcoin?
Only the total generated coins and the starting date as with Ixcoin?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Xephan on August 15, 2011, 04:44:39 PM
What is the difference between I0coin and bitcoin?
Only the total generated coins and the starting date as with Ixcoin?


The only notable difference, I might have missed others, is the difficulty correction would be 14 days OR 2016 blocks whichever comes first. This would help IXCoin avoid getting the Namecoin fate of getting pumped and abandoned after difficulty goes through the roof. Apart from that, there doesn't seem to be that much difference. Just that comparatively, IOCoin founder seems a tad more moral than IXCoin :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Spacy on August 15, 2011, 04:45:45 PM
What about the keychain that is allready online ? ca. 720blocks?
Is this a testnet and will be resetted tomorrow?`



Now there are already like 2400 blocks, are they kept?

How can a blockchain be resetted technically?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: rikur on August 15, 2011, 04:48:25 PM
What about the keychain that is allready online ? ca. 720blocks?
Is this a testnet and will be resetted tomorrow?`



Now there are already like 2400 blocks, are they kept?

How can a blockchain be resetted technically?

By releasing new code/clients with a new epoch block.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Spacy on August 15, 2011, 04:51:28 PM
By releasing new code/clients with a new epoch block.

And the genesis block ist stored in the client?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: joulesbeef on August 15, 2011, 05:03:25 PM
What is the difference between I0coin and bitcoin?
Only the total generated coins and the starting date as with Ixcoin?


higher inflation rate(i dont like but w/e)
faster blocks, so faster confirmations and transactions.. this is good.
address checking to keep you from accidently sending iocoins to bitcoin addy.. this is missing in ixcoin and namecoin and is good.
wallet encryption, the most begged for feature that is STILL missing from bitcoin, this is more than good.
they start time is being announced, no one is taking a bunch of IOcoins before launch and everyone will be mining on day one who wants to.. unlike ixcoin.

IOCOIN actually addresses issues in Bitcoin, namecoin and ixcoin that have yet to be fixed in any of them.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jtimon on August 15, 2011, 05:12:49 PM
What is the difference between I0coin and bitcoin?
Only the total generated coins and the starting date as with Ixcoin?


higher inflation rate(i dont like but w/e)

The curve of generation is equivalent, so this change nothing but the spot price of a unit.

faster blocks, so faster confirmations and transactions.. this is good.

What is the target instead of 10 minutes?

address checking to keep you from accidently sending iocoins to bitcoin addy.. this is missing in ixcoin and namecoin and is good.

Doesn't Bitcoin and namecoin have this?

wallet encryption, the most begged for feature that is STILL missing from bitcoin, this is more than good.

Very cool. Can't the change be pushed to the bitcoin client?

they start time is being announced, no one is taking a bunch of IOcoins before launch and everyone will be mining on day one who wants to.. unlike ixcoin.

Yes, shame on ixcoin. Not announced and its website lies about the maximum supply.

IOCOIN actually addresses issues in Bitcoin, namecoin and ixcoin that have yet to be fixed in any of them.

Compared with bitcoin and namecoin, I don't see why iocoins features can't just be added to the former chains.
The address validation and the encrypted wallet don't even need to change the rules for the accepted blocks in the chain


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: kr105 on August 15, 2011, 05:21:55 PM
Not sure if this has been noted in this thread (I couldn't see it) but I'm curious about this post. Will this have the same issue?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.msg456598#msg456598
Yes, its fixed.

--

Don't waste your time mining on the released client source code, i'll use a different genesis block :D It was an experiment to see how many mates will compile the code and start mining from beforehand.

The launch date will not change again, please sorry for the delay.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 15, 2011, 05:22:36 PM
Can the developer not delay the release and promise he won't delay it any further I can afford to loose my contacts I have now again.

Thank you so much!  ;D

BTW When the 1 day is up there there will be a windows client for download? Also will it ave a gui just like ixcoins? Or like namecoins?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: burp on August 15, 2011, 05:28:24 PM
Selling 2116 I0coins for the current blockchain  ;D Be an _early_ adopter and buy them!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 15, 2011, 05:33:26 PM
heheheheheh on the i0coin website it says "secs" heheheheheh :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Fakeman on August 15, 2011, 06:04:04 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?  Or do we have to wait til we pass 10 difficulty levels before the johnny come latelys, who missed the early adopter boat, start whining?

You make it sound like all those people were arguing that Ixcoin was a scam just because it was an alternate blockchain. In fact, most of the posters who called Ixcoin a scam focused on the fact that hundreds of thousands of coins were already mined before the project was made public, unlike this project or say namecoin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 15, 2011, 06:19:03 PM
I stayed up all night for the original release date so been up for 24 hours have to stay up and another 24 hours + another 6 once its released to get it all working...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 06:33:04 PM
I stayed up all night for the original release date so been up for 24 hours have to stay up and another 24 hours + another 6 once its released to get it all working...

I sure hope it is worth it for ya!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: nmat on August 15, 2011, 06:34:32 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?  Or do we have to wait til we pass 10 difficulty levels before the johnny come latelys, who missed the early adopter boat, start whining?

I'm here! Hum... I guess I already said everything in other threads... I really don't care for profiting with this stuff so I am not participating in any of this. But it is fun to watch  8)



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: simonk83 on August 15, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
So which port will go in the client (when mining)?  7333?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BusmasterDMA on August 15, 2011, 08:59:12 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons?
That's likely because IOcoin is a direct response to the largest complaint against Ixcoin.  I0coin is Ixcoin only without the guy who mined solo for three months before public release of the project.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
WHERE are all the people decrying alt chains as "scams" and proclaiming they won't participate in I0coin for whatever moral reasons? 
That's likely because IOcoin is a direct response to largest complaint against Ixcoin.  I0coin is Ixcoin only without the guy who mined solo for three months before public release of the project.

+1 I mean +580,000  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 15, 2011, 09:20:42 PM
What's the current block count?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 15, 2011, 09:21:51 PM
What's the current block count?

19500


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 15, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
anybody got an .exe compiled they can submit a pull request with (joules?)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: eleuthria on August 15, 2011, 10:01:51 PM
For those interested, BTC Guild has prepared a fork of the frontend and backend for i0coin.  You can sign up and prepare to mine at:  i0.btcguild.com

Proportional, ~2.08% fee (1 coin if it goes 48 coins/5 minute block, 2 coins if it goes 96 coins/10 minute block).  Full BTC Guild interface and round statistics.

You can setup now and make sure your miners work.  I'll be swapping i0coind for the official release version as soon as it becomes available.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 15, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
For those interested, BTC Guild has prepared a fork of the frontend and backend for i0coin.  You can sign up and prepare to mine at:  i0.btcguild.com

Proportional, ~2.08% fee (1 coin if it goes 48 coins/5 minute block, 2 coins if it goes 96 coins/10 minute block).  Full BTC Guild interface and round statistics.

You can setup now and make sure your miners work.  I'll be swapping i0coind for the official release version as soon as it becomes available.

so we just mine with btc client against the pool or need i0 client?

EDIT
i mean miner not client


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: eleuthria on August 15, 2011, 10:11:45 PM
For those interested, BTC Guild has prepared a fork of the frontend and backend for i0coin.  You can sign up and prepare to mine at:  i0.btcguild.com

Proportional, ~2.08% fee (1 coin if it goes 48 coins/5 minute block, 2 coins if it goes 96 coins/10 minute block).  Full BTC Guild interface and round statistics.

You can setup now and make sure your miners work.  I'll be swapping i0coind for the official release version as soon as it becomes available.

so we just mine with btc client against the pool or need i0 client?

EDIT
i mean miner not client

You can mine at I0Guild with the same miner you already use.  Just signup for an account, setup your worker, and mine away.  You can test your setup now (we're using the "testnet" i0coind right now).  The rewards/shares from the test pool will be wiped clean once the OFFICIAL i0coind is released.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: hawks5999 on August 15, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
Do you want an exchange?

DoubleC will you have i0change.bitparking.com online by tomorrow?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 11:18:02 PM
DoubleC will you have i0change.bitparking.com online by tomorrow?
I'll have an exchange up, yes. It'll be i0exchange.bitparking.com. Unfortunately 'release' time for i0coin is in the early hours of the morning for me so it'll be up a few hours later than release. I'll also want to monitor i0coin for an hour or two to get an idea of the block solve rate and number of orphans so I can set a reasonable deposit confirmation period.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 15, 2011, 11:18:43 PM
churning i0c at 2.4 gh/s

7% combined stale rate. not too bad.
hmm, it'll be interesting when i hop to i0c tomorrow.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 15, 2011, 11:54:43 PM
With the code adjusted to be 48 coins per 5 min and re adjust the difficulty every 7 days (2016 blocks), the inflation rate should look like this:

http://www.i0coin.org/inflation.png

So we will end with the exact same amount of coins in our blockchain than bitcoin in it blockchain but the maduration period will be much much sooner (maduration: when we reach the ~21M limit)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 15, 2011, 11:57:26 PM
Can you provide a summary of the differences? Number of coins you've decided to generate, how often, etc? Putting this on the i0coin page would be good.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: krusaderx on August 16, 2011, 12:07:49 AM
You can mine at I0Guild with the same miner you already use.  Just signup for an account, setup your worker, and mine away.  You can test your setup now (we're using the "testnet" i0coind right now).  The rewards/shares from the test pool will be wiped clean once the OFFICIAL i0coind is released.

If someone is mining against the IOcoin testnet via i0.btcguild.com when the test is concluded and the live block chain starts, will they seamlessly start mining against the live block chain?

In other words, if I point a miner at i0.btcguild.com 30ish minutes before the switch from test to live, will it "just work", no interaction required on my part?

Thanks,
 Kx


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: eleuthria on August 16, 2011, 12:18:36 AM
You can mine at I0Guild with the same miner you already use.  Just signup for an account, setup your worker, and mine away.  You can test your setup now (we're using the "testnet" i0coind right now).  The rewards/shares from the test pool will be wiped clean once the OFFICIAL i0coind is released.

If someone is mining against the IOcoin testnet via i0.btcguild.com when the test is concluded and the live block chain starts, will they seamlessly start mining against the live block chain?

In other words, if I point a miner at i0.btcguild.com 30ish minutes before the switch from test to live, will it "just work", no interaction required on my part?

Thanks,
 Kx

Correct.  When the switch happens your miner will stop working for a minute or so, then pick up again on the live i0coin network.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 12:27:02 AM
heheheheheh on the i0coin website it says "secs" heheheheheh :P

mine just says NOW


Quote
Can you provide a summary of the differences? Number of coins you've decided to generate, how often, etc? Putting this on the i0coin page would be good.

48 coins, every 5 minutes, 2016 blocks for difficulty change, each week.. max round of 2 weeks before diff change, so none of those problems namecoin has, i believe their are limits to how much diff can change, but not sure.

wallet encryption
address checks
no pre-mined coins
everyone gets in on day one.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: AlcaDotS on August 16, 2011, 12:33:55 AM
48 coins, every 5 minutes, 2016 blocks for difficulty change, each week.. max round of 2 weeks before diff change

I believe the max round length is going to be 7 days now (please confirm) which is the same as 5*2016 minutes. I'm not sure whether it's a good thing or not but I think this'll mean that the time limit will occur 50% if mining capacity doesn't increase during a new block


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wannaBhacker on August 16, 2011, 12:36:42 AM
Why not change the difficulty at 1/4 the blocks? Like 504 or even less than that like every 126 blocks? Then you don't have to do the minutes, or if you did, the difficulty could change every couple of days and be much more fluid.

I posted this on btcguilds thread:

Quote
Invalid blocks are crazy and each block is mined in seconds.

I don't know your total involvement with i0 coin, but a suggestion should be made to start the difficulty > 1 or there will be tons of invalids and it would be easy for an attacker or pool with a lot of ghash to take over such a young low difficulty blockchain.


Start the difficulty out at even 64 or 128 and the blocks will still fly fast but at 1 a pool will be fighting over their own shares for which one is first.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 12:40:47 AM
Why not change the difficulty at 1/4 the blocks? Like 504 or even less than that like every 126 blocks? Then you don't have to do the minutes, or if you did, the difficulty could change every couple of days and be much more fluid.

I posted this on btcguilds thread:

Quote
Invalid blocks are crazy and each block is mined in seconds.

I don't know your total involvement with i0 coin, but a suggestion should be made to start the difficulty > 1 or there will be tons of invalids and it would be easy for an attacker or pool with a lot of ghash to take over such a young low difficulty blockchain.


Start the difficulty out at even 64 or 128 and the blocks will still fly fast but at 1 a pool will be fighting over their own shares for which one is first.

My vote is for difficulty 1. I wanna know what it is like to mine at the easiest difficulty possible just like Satoshi did!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: eleuthria on August 16, 2011, 12:49:27 AM
I would highly recommend starting at least difficulty 128 - 512.  Difficulty = 1 will be absolute chaos when I'm guessing 50~100 GH/s coming just from I0 Guild.  Miners are hundreds of times faster than when Bitcoin began at Difficulty=1.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 12:52:12 AM
I would highly recommend starting at least difficulty 128 - 512.  Difficulty = 1 will be absolute chaos when I'm guessing 50~100 GH/s coming just from I0 Guild.  Miners are hundreds of times faster than when Bitcoin began at Difficulty=1.

Why would anyone complain about extra coins at absurdly low difficulty? It will go in minutes so whats the problem?>


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 16, 2011, 01:01:30 AM
Can you provide a summary of the differences? Number of coins you've decided to generate, how often, etc?
- 48 coins per block
- One block each 5 min
- Difficulty changes every 7 days or 2016 blocks

Guys, you're free to inspect the latest commits and try to find flaws on the recent changes :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: enmaku on August 16, 2011, 01:24:47 AM
any precompiled exes available yet?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 01:27:13 AM
any precompiled exes available yet?
+1, I have already tested i0.btcguild.com, but want to test out some solo mining prior to launch!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 16, 2011, 01:43:55 AM
Can you provide a summary of the differences? Number of coins you've decided to generate, how often, etc?
- 48 coins per block
- One block each 5 min
- Difficulty changes every 7 days or 2016 blocks

Guys, you're free to inspect the latest commits and try to find flaws on the recent changes :D

Why not 50 coins per block like bitcoins? Will be easier for people trying to use mining calculators... they would just have to double what they get from a standard bitcoin mining calculator. Plus it will be simpler for everyone. There's no need to follow ixcoins 96 coins, right?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 01:46:09 AM
Can you provide a summary of the differences? Number of coins you've decided to generate, how often, etc?
- 48 coins per block
- One block each 5 min
- Difficulty changes every 7 days or 2016 blocks

Guys, you're free to inspect the latest commits and try to find flaws on the recent changes :D

Why not 50 coins per block like bitcoins? Will be easier for people trying to use mining calculators... they would just have to double what they get from a standard bitcoin mining calculator. Plus it will be simpler for everyone. There's no need to follow ixcoins 96 coins, right?
When halved every 2016 blocks, it doesn't make crazy numbers with a lot of useless digits. 64 or 51.2 I0C/block would have been better though
That's the only reason I can see


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 16, 2011, 02:03:32 AM
Why would anyone complain about extra coins at absurdly low difficulty? It will go in minutes so whats the problem?>
huge number of orphan blocks and chain splits due to blocks going by every few seconds. it'll make the currency unusable for anything without a large confirmation count until it settles down.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: TripHammer on August 16, 2011, 02:15:49 AM
so how do you go about getting an address for i0coin? I guess there is a new client?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: payb.tc on August 16, 2011, 02:19:32 AM
so how do you go about getting an address for i0coin? I guess there is a new client?

in the initial stages if you just want to accept i0coin but don't want to fiddle with a client, just wait for doublec's i0coin exchange to launch and get an address there.

that's still the only place i've ever held ixcoins http://i.imgur.com/ODmrX.gif


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 02:57:13 AM
So what is the purpose of this new chain?  Or is it really just like Ixcoin in that it's an exchange-only currency?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 03:07:03 AM
I'm currently mining the i0.btcguild.com test pool, and there's an unusually high number of rejected shares (like 50%!). Anybody else seeing this?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 03:18:54 AM
So what is the purpose of this new chain?  Or is it really just like Ixcoin in that it's an exchange-only currency?

Pretty much the same I would say.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 03:20:57 AM
I'm currently mining the i0.btcguild.com test pool, and there's an unusually high number of rejected shares (like 50%!). Anybody else seeing this?

Too be expected to much hash power pointed at low diff is way too much for the *coin client to keep up it is designed for the 6 per 10 minutes ideal not per second like is happening now with that chain.

Ah, so we're "overrunning the buffer" so to speak?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 03:28:13 AM
With the code adjusted to be 48 coins per 5 min and re adjust the difficulty every 7 days (2016 blocks), the inflation rate should look like this:

While I do feel a faster confirmation time is good, but is it a really good idea technically? IIRC, there was some discussion about why it wasn't made faster in the original Bitcoin protocol and this was due to storage limits and network inefficiency resulting from forks/reorgs if blocks are generated faster.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: koin on August 16, 2011, 03:59:03 AM
one of the problems with ixcoin is that we don't really know when the genesis block was created.

satoshi proved the bitcoin genesis block was no earlier than jan 3, 2009 by putting in a newspaper headline.

ixcoin's genesis block has nothing to help verify the date. see: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.msg447180#msg447180

if I0coin wants to eliminate this (small, in this case) risk that the genesis block has been getting mined for a long time now, it should include something similar to what satoshi did.

second question ...   I0coin
The first character .. is that lowercase L, a number 1, or an uppercase letter i?     The second, a zero (0) or an uppercase letter o?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2011, 04:37:32 AM
I you were to include a gpg signed contract in the genesis block with both the days newspapers headline and a list of bounties that will be awarded would that solve the problem ?

Having a transparent amount of coins purely to bootstrap adoption is key as well as bounties that late adopters can still claim, maybe by a hardcoded bounty royalty where extra coins are generated to be awarded over the life of the currency.

The real key is transparency.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Spacy on August 16, 2011, 04:43:49 AM
Having a transparent amount of coins purely to bootstrap adoption is key as well as bounties that late adopters can still claim, maybe by a hardcoded bounty royalty where extra coins are generated to be awarded over the life of the currency.

Who should pay the bounties if no coins are premined? ;-)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 04:47:47 AM
Quote
The first character .. is that lowercase L, a number 1, or an uppercase letter i?     The second, a zero (0) or an uppercase letter o?
the first letter is "I"... the letter eye

the second letter isnt a letter it is a number, the number zero.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 16, 2011, 04:53:48 AM
Quote
The first character .. is that lowercase L, a number 1, or an uppercase letter i?     The second, a zero (0) or an uppercase letter o?
the first letter is "I"... the letter eye

the second letter isnt a letter it is a number, the number zero.

Is it too late to rename the coin? I0coin has ambiguous pronunciation and ambiguous spelling. It will be really hard to take off if it keeps this name. One thing going for ixcoin is that it had none of these problems.

It's probably too late, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Since you decided to have the address start with a j, how about something like "jitcoin"?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: payb.tc on August 16, 2011, 05:08:55 AM
Quote
The first character .. is that lowercase L, a number 1, or an uppercase letter i?     The second, a zero (0) or an uppercase letter o?
the first letter is "I"... the letter eye

the second letter isnt a letter it is a number, the number zero.

from the OP:

Quote
I0coin (= Ixcoin with 0 pregenerated blocks)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dayfall on August 16, 2011, 05:12:11 AM
Yeah, I just figured it out myself; it is a zero.   eye-zero-coin.   iěcoin?   Eh,  I would have preferred scamcoin or slackcoin.  


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: m0w3r on August 16, 2011, 05:25:23 AM
hoowee..sweet smell off the skunk, I gotta get me some iocoins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2011, 05:28:58 AM
Having a transparent amount of coins purely to bootstrap adoption is key as well as bounties that late adopters can still claim, maybe by a hardcoded bounty royalty where extra coins are generated to be awarded over the life of the currency.

Who should pay the bounties if no coins are premined? ;-)

Thats where the royalty comes in :)



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2011, 05:30:34 AM
Quote
The first character .. is that lowercase L, a number 1, or an uppercase letter i?     The second, a zero (0) or an uppercase letter o?
the first letter is "I"... the letter eye

the second letter isnt a letter it is a number, the number zero.

Is it too late to rename the coin? I0coin has ambiguous pronunciation and ambiguous spelling. It will be really hard to take off if it keeps this name. One thing going for ixcoin is that it had none of these problems.

It's probably too late, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Since you decided to have the address start with a j, how about something like "jitcoin"?

Yes. Someone could buy iocoin.com and host a wallet stealer there  8)





Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 05:58:54 AM
It hasn't started yet, right?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 16, 2011, 06:01:50 AM
I've fired up a test bitparking pool for i0coin. It's at http://i0pool.bitparking.com and works like the existing namecoin and ixcoin pools. I'll switch to the release i0coind when it's available. All coins will be discarded when the new chain officially starts.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 06:02:06 AM
It hasn't started yet, right?

Difficulty just got 2 steps higher... I'm on 140,113 IOcoins now  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 06:09:08 AM
Where do you get the executable for I0coin windows client?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 06:14:16 AM
Where do you get the executable for I0coin windows client?

from compiling the source


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 06:17:45 AM
Where do you get the executable for I0coin windows client?

from compiling the source

I kind of figured that. What commands and options am I using?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 06:28:19 AM
Where do you get the executable for I0coin windows client?

from compiling the source

I kind of figured that. What commands and options am I using?

In the doc/ Folder, you find a File "build-msw.txt", read it.
Its almost 100% correct, only at the last steps, replace "bit" with "i0".
I spent hours compiling the damm Dependencies...
Also, openssl may trigger a Virus Warning.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 06:29:05 AM
It hasn't started yet, right?

Difficulty just got 2 steps higher... I'm on 140,113 IOcoins now  ;D

What kinda hash power?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 06:32:17 AM
Wait, we don't need the I0coin client to participate in the pool, do we?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 16, 2011, 06:35:37 AM
Wait, we don't need the I0coin client to participate in the pool, do we?

Nope, just point your regular miner at the i0guild pool 5 minutes before the start. It's nice and simple.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 06:38:41 AM
Wait, we don't need the I0coin client to participate in the pool, do we?

Nope, just point your regular miner at the i0guild pool 5 minutes before the start. It's nice and simple.


Well my question would be then how do you generate the i0coin addres if you dont have the client?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fastandfurious on August 16, 2011, 06:39:43 AM
What about changing the name to FairCoin or PureCoin ? Or even just iCoin?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: eleuthria on August 16, 2011, 06:40:44 AM
Wait, we don't need the I0coin client to participate in the pool, do we?

Nope, just point your regular miner at the i0guild pool 5 minutes before the start. It's nice and simple.


Well my question would be then how do you generate the i0coin addres if you dont have the client?

You just start mining beforehand, and add a wallet once you've downloaded the client.  Or you can wait for an exchange to open up and set your wallet to the exchange address for direct withdrawals (be careful about temporary addresses though).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 06:46:06 AM
I sure hope he posts a compiled windows version of the client on i0coin.org.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: payb.tc on August 16, 2011, 06:58:36 AM
offer of 2 btc for 20000 (real) i0c still stands... happy to pay the btc now and receive the i0c once they're mined.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: BitVapes on August 16, 2011, 09:51:58 AM
Well, the differences from the original code aren't many. I bet we could make a little program to create currencies. You choose:
- Name
- BTC per block
- Difficulty increase
(...)

Then click a button and that's it. You have another currency  8)

I could try to do it, but I don't have the time at the moment...

any progress on this?

I actually think this is a good idea, local communities can create their own cryptocurrency, etc.   I've downloaded the latest bitcoin source and the latest ixcoin source, and ran a linux diff on it and there are many changes, not just 'rename all instances of bitcoin to ixcoin and change 1 number'

so anyway I want to start a local crpytocurrency blockchain but I am not sure if I can do it.  some kind of cookie cutter cryptocurrency creator app would be nice, lol.  how much would it cost me to get one of you genius coders to make me a new bitcoin fork?  8)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 16, 2011, 09:53:43 AM
i0coind has been locking up on me. The exchange, which has no i0coind transactions yet but is running a client has hung twice. The pool has hung once. This is using commit 364742d79411518ef3ee123d3d1fd653b4674354.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: Chris Acheson on August 16, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
how much would it cost me to get one of you genius coders to make me a new bitcoin fork?  8)

I'll do it if you're actually willing to pay for the project.  PM'ing you.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 16, 2011, 10:13:28 AM
So any official words on what the starting difficulty is going to be at?

I hope it's not "1" , because that would be silly for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: payb.tc on August 16, 2011, 10:14:03 AM
I have an exchange up: https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/main

Deposit and withdrawal of i0coins are disabled until the chain is active. You can create an account and deposit btc in the meantime.

someone is apparently willing to spend 99999999.99999998 BTC on i0coins... how is an order like this allowed to be in the system, given that noone owns or will ever own 100 million BTC? nevermind, it's just the 'rate' not the amount.

still, the top 3 buy orders appear to be erroneous.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: jtimon on August 16, 2011, 10:32:41 AM
how much would it cost me to get one of you genius coders to make me a new bitcoin fork?  8)

I'll do it if you're actually willing to pay for the project.  PM'ing you.

Hi, anyone wiling to be paid for developing an alternative chain may be interest in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36190.0

You can make another offer there.
More "gesellians" have contacted me, and maybe they want to participate in the bounty.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 10:35:58 AM
Just be careful atm about developing too many currencies. For the currency to have (or develop) a value, you need 'demand'. We already have 4 currencies...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 16, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
still, the top 3 buy orders appear to be erroneous.
They're real  buys  by people. The won't actually go through at that price since no one will sell at that price. They'll go through at the lower price of any sell that appears.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 10:41:56 AM
I am also offering 1 bitcoin for 10,000 i0coins


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jtimon on August 16, 2011, 10:44:37 AM
Just be careful atm about developing too many currencies. For the currency to have (or develop a value), you need 'demand'. We already have 4 currencies...

I'm not in a hurry to release it, we will probably prefer to wait until ixcoin is forgotten. Also freicoin will have merged mining, so it's going to be mined even if its price is 1 satoshi (and that's the absolute minimum because I would buy all generated coins at that price if no one else wants them).
But as said, I'm not in a hurry and some parameters need to be discussed. Just want to have it developed the earlier the better.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 10:58:09 AM

I'm not in a hurry to release it, we will probably prefer to wait until ixcoin is forgotten. Also freicoin will have merged mining, so it's going to be mined even if its price is 1 satoshi (and that's the absolute minimum because I would buy all generated coins at that price if no one else wants them).
But as said, I'm not in a hurry and some parameters need to be discussed. Just want to have it developed the earlier the better.


Dont get me wrong. I think theres a LOT of room to move in the near future in the digital currency market. The problem atm is theres only so many miners and so many users. And of course the infrastructure that supports these new currencies is still in development. However, things are moving fast. You could release a new currency now but I wont mine it. Why should I? It might be worth something one day so I might mine it initially to create a stockpile but so will a lot of other people and all we will do is hoard & up the difficulty for 6 months. With no buyers in the market the currency will stagnate (and be forgotten?) and you miss your entry point. Enter with a new currency when the other currencies are over-priced and theres more interest from people that are looking to diversify (to maximise its potential), and make your effort in developing the new currency worthwhile.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: payb.tc on August 16, 2011, 10:59:52 AM
still, the top 3 buy orders appear to be erroneous.
They're real  buys  by people. The won't actually go through at that price since no one will sell at that price. They'll go through at the lower price of any sell that appears.

why wouldn't anyone sell at that price? it's really high, but i take back what i said about them being erroneous.

take the top one for example:

Quote
buy   99999999.99999998   0.00000003

that means as soon as you mine 30 nano i0c you can sell it for 2.99999999 btc (100 million * 0.00000003)

(as long as no-one puts in a lower-rate sell order)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin (or IBcoin)
Post by: m3ta on August 16, 2011, 11:06:05 AM

Wow did you really just say that go take your dirty mouth and take it off this forum... Bitcoins are competently legal there is nothing wrong with them people like you keep giving our community a bad name just like silk road when there is just 1 site selling drugs everyone thinks bitcoins is bad but then meanwhile back in America people buy all sorts of drugs with real money there is not just 1 place its fucking everywhere so take your shit elsewhere!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jtimon on August 16, 2011, 11:50:50 AM

I'm not in a hurry to release it, we will probably prefer to wait until ixcoin is forgotten. Also freicoin will have merged mining, so it's going to be mined even if its price is 1 satoshi (and that's the absolute minimum because I would buy all generated coins at that price if no one else wants them).
But as said, I'm not in a hurry and some parameters need to be discussed. Just want to have it developed the earlier the better.


Dont get me wrong. I think theres a LOT of room to move in the near future in the digital currency market. The problem atm is theres only so many miners and so many users. And of course the infrastructure that supports these new currencies is still in development. However, things are moving fast. You could release a new currency now but I wont mine it. Why should I? It might be worth something one day so I might mine it initially to create a stockpile but so will a lot of other people and all we will do is hoard. With no buyers in the market the currency will stagnate (and be forgotten?) and you miss your entry point. Enter with a new currency when the other currencies are over-priced and theres more interest from people that are looking to diversify (to maximise its potential), and make your effort in developing the new currency worthwhile.

I agree. There's no point in starting freicoin without merged mining and without any merchant accepting it.
I want it to be used for trade not just for speculation like ixcoin.

By the way, why IOcoin doesn't have merged mining?
It would have been as easy as forking namecoin instead of bitcoin and remove all the DNS stuff.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 11:56:18 AM
Ok, get your bets in on how much mining power is going to drop from BTC in the first 30 minutes of i0coin being online?

Pity the difficulty only just clicked over, because this may have had a rather nice reversing effect on it. It might still have, just that it won't kick in for another 1950 or so BTC blocks. Im betting at least 2 THASH is going to drop almost immediately.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 12:04:34 PM
Ok, get your bets in on how much mining power is going to drop from BTC in the first 30 minutes of i0coin being online?


A shitload. Its already dropped because of IXCoin. And you do know whats going to happen to Bitcoin value because of this dont you?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
If the IXcoin trial is anything to go by, it looked to me like supply for BTC dried up a little (X THASH of the suppliers dropped from the BTC network) and the price just went up.

But hey, I really have no idea..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jtimon on August 16, 2011, 12:30:39 PM
A simple question here:

IOcoin and ixcoin have now similar generation curves or ixcoin is going to generate 40M with a curve similar to bitcoin's (but greater and later)?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
What about changing the name to FairCoin or PureCoin ? Or even just iCoin?


you want to rename it moments from launch?

 ???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gtrrkicw on August 16, 2011, 02:45:07 PM
I compiled the git source under Ubuntu and when I run i0coind I get this error message

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

Is this an error in compilation or is it trying to use the real genesis block but it doesn't exist yet?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 16, 2011, 02:47:03 PM
Is this an error in compilation or is it trying to use the real genesis block but it doesn't exist yet?
It happens when using git HEAD without any blocks downloaded yet. As a workaround I went back to commit c81732, downloaded the existing block chain, then went back to HEAD and it worked.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 03:39:08 PM
Bitparking Namecoin Pool
Bitparking Namecoin<->BTC Exchange
Bitparking IXCoin Pool
Bitparking IXCoin<->BTC Exchange

Time to update your sig...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 03:42:56 PM
Bitparking Namecoin Pool
Bitparking Namecoin<->BTC Exchange
Bitparking IXCoin Pool
Bitparking IXCoin<->BTC Exchange

Time to update your sig...
I don't think he will have enough space ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fakeman on August 16, 2011, 03:48:09 PM
So is compiling the source yourself the only way to have the client ready ahead of time?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 03:52:54 PM
Should make a few mirrors for client download in case people decide to hammer the shit out of it....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nelisky on August 16, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
Seeing as people are already mining and running clients for i0coin I assume you'll change the genesis block and redistribute the client. But what about all those that *don't* update the client because they mined a huge fuckload of i0coins_v0 already? Did you manage to create 2 forks in a single throw? :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 16, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Seeing as people are already mining and running clients for i0coin I assume you'll change the genesis block and redistribute the client. But what about all those that *don't* update the client because they mined a huge fuckload of i0coins_v0 already? Did you manage to create 2 forks in a single throw? :)

If miners stay with the released blockchain and client, there will be two blockchains bouncing around on the same network, one that doesn't accept the other's blocks as valid. You can't really make orphan chains out of the new client's blocks, since the new client will know to ignore chains with a different 0 block. However, an attack vector if you are a huge pool that is ready to go - jump on after modding the release client to also ignore any chains except ones with a block 1 you just made, you could cause everyone else's work and coins to be discarded by overwhelming the solo miners with consecutive block solves and growing a longer chain than theirs.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: creativex on August 16, 2011, 04:31:23 PM
...yeah! What the smart spartacus said.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 04:33:33 PM
Seeing as people are already mining and running clients for i0coin I assume you'll change the genesis block and redistribute the client. But what about all those that *don't* update the client because they mined a huge fuckload of i0coins_v0 already? Did you manage to create 2 forks in a single throw? :)

If miners stay with the released blockchain and client, there will be two blockchains bouncing around on the same network, one that doesn't accept the other's blocks as valid. You can't really make orphan chains out of the new client's blocks, since the new client will know to ignore chains with a different 0 block. However, an attack vector if you are a huge pool that is ready to go - jump on after modding the release client to also ignore any chains except ones with a block 1 you just made, you could cause everyone else's work and coins to be discarded by overwhelming the solo miners with consecutive block solves and growing a longer chain than theirs.

And so will GuildCoins be born ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nux on August 16, 2011, 04:41:32 PM
So is compiling the source yourself the only way to have the client ready ahead of time?

I am curious about this as well.

Thanks


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Nasakioto on August 16, 2011, 05:02:29 PM
With the code adjusted to be 48 coins per 5 min and re adjust the difficulty every 7 days (2016 blocks), the inflation rate should look like this:

http://www.i0coin.org/inflation.png

So we will end with the exact same amount of coins in our blockchain than bitcoin in it blockchain but the maduration period will be much much sooner (maduration: when we reach the ~21M limit)

It will be interesting to see if the generation curve affects the uptake by the community. In any case, best of luck with i0coin.

It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)


one of the problems with ixcoin is that we don't really know when the genesis block was created.

satoshi proved the bitcoin genesis block was no earlier than jan 3, 2009 by putting in a newspaper headline.

ixcoin's genesis block has nothing to help verify the date. see: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.msg447180#msg447180

if I0coin wants to eliminate this (small, in this case) risk that the genesis block has been getting mined for a long time now, it should include something similar to what satoshi did.

This is not an issue as the Ixcoin client locks in the blockchain and will be update to continue locking it in the future.






Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: rikur on August 16, 2011, 05:10:01 PM

It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)


Good idea. Could you also create rikurrCoin <-> i0Coin exchange? I've got some coins to dump.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Clipse on August 16, 2011, 05:48:35 PM

It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)


Good idea. Could you also create rikurrCoin <-> i0Coin exchange? I've got some coins to dump.

I could create an rikurrCoin --> toilet exchange for all your dumping needs? :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 05:51:14 PM
LOL....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
Just over an hour to go!

Oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SomeoneWeird on August 16, 2011, 05:53:41 PM

It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)


Good idea. Could you also create rikurrCoin <-> i0Coin exchange? I've got some coins to dump.

I could create an rikurrCoin --> toilet exchange for all your dumping needs? :D

hahahha


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on August 16, 2011, 06:16:50 PM
I would highly recommend starting at least difficulty 128 - 512.  Difficulty = 1 will be absolute chaos when I'm guessing 50~100 GH/s coming just from I0 Guild.  Miners are hundreds of times faster than when Bitcoin began at Difficulty=1.

As a pool of course you would.  That is about when solo mining starts to kick out.  I suggest leaving it at 1, letting cpu miners and solo minters have a bit of fun., and pools staying off until it hits 512.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 06:25:43 PM

It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)


Good idea. Could you also create rikurrCoin <-> i0Coin exchange? I've got some coins to dump.

I could create an rikurrCoin --> toilet exchange for all your dumping needs? :D


This made me laugh so hard! hahaha I gotta take a dump!

 :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: colossus on August 16, 2011, 06:27:53 PM
I would highly recommend starting at least difficulty 128 - 512.  Difficulty = 1 will be absolute chaos when I'm guessing 50~100 GH/s coming just from I0 Guild.  Miners are hundreds of times faster than when Bitcoin began at Difficulty=1.

As a pool of course you would.  That is about when solo mining starts to kick out.  I suggest leaving it at 1, letting cpu miners and solo minters have a bit of fun., and pools staying off until it hits 512.


Fat chance


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on August 16, 2011, 06:33:24 PM
I would highly recommend starting at least difficulty 128 - 512.  Difficulty = 1 will be absolute chaos when I'm guessing 50~100 GH/s coming just from I0 Guild.  Miners are hundreds of times faster than when Bitcoin began at Difficulty=1.

As a pool of course you would.  That is about when solo mining starts to kick out.  I suggest leaving it at 1, letting cpu miners and solo minters have a bit of fun., and pools staying off until it hits 512.


Fat chance

Woosh.

Of course,  I put that in to show how his post was from a purely pool centric point of view by putting out the complete opposite as a suggestion.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 06:39:38 PM
Can I mine legit Iocoins with a compiled windows binary that dates from before the official start time?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 06:40:27 PM
Can I mine legit Iocoins with a compiled windows binary that dates from before the official start time?
No. If you could them people would have been doing it for the last few days.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 06:42:43 PM


It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)



Yes please :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 06:43:39 PM
Can I mine legit Iocoins with a compiled windows binary that dates from before the official start time?
No. If you could them people would have been doing it for the last few days.

You misunderstand me.

Will there be a new client released at the start date?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 06:44:36 PM


It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)



Yes please :)

LOL......if that other post in Off-Topic is correct......that there...is EPIC pwnage!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 06:48:27 PM


It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)



Yes please :)

LOL......if that other post in Off-Topic is correct......that there...is EPIC pwnage!
;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
Would be so much fun after all the suspense of the last few days if in 10 mins the clock just stops....

And nothing happens  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 06:51:58 PM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13699180/My-Temp-Ghash.png

Mr 28 ghash DO YOU WORST!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
So there's atleast 200+ GH/s hitting I0Coin at a difficulty of 1...

... Who else thinks this is comparable to a train hitting a grape at 1,000 mph?



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 06:52:51 PM
Would be so much fun after all the suspense of the last few days if in 10 mins the clock just stops....

And nothing happens  ;D

I was thinking that earlier!!.....lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gerOZ on August 16, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
Already have an Exchange ioc <-> btc. Until the end to make English interface, but the payment system is fully operational.
Welcome: www.btc-e.com (http://www.btc-e.com)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 06:56:46 PM
Would be so much fun after all the suspense of the last few days if in 10 mins the clock just stops....

And nothing happens  ;D

Oh i would be so pissed...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 06:57:37 PM
Difficulty-1 duration: 12 seconds


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 06:58:19 PM
This is like X-Mas eve !!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
And we are off to the races.... or are we....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 07:00:55 PM
Would be so much fun after all the suspense of the last few days if in 10 mins the clock just stops....

And nothing happens  ;D

Oh i would be so pissed...

Oh god it seems to  have happened D:


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gtrrkicw on August 16, 2011, 07:02:01 PM
Still only says Now!

That was anti-climactic


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 16, 2011, 07:02:04 PM
. . . nothing happened?

wtf.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:02:33 PM
Last block: 2424:01:01    
Wat?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:02:38 PM
LOL....this is awesome!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 07:02:47 PM
WTF


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 07:02:51 PM
Waiting for the noise of my GPU's :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
We got got.  It APRIL FOOLS... IN AUGUST.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: terrytibbs on August 16, 2011, 07:03:15 PM
i0guild is slow as hell for me...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:03:23 PM
lol we just got trolled


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 16, 2011, 07:03:23 PM
He has to do it manually, give him time guys :).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 07:03:24 PM
I just pooped then nothing  ???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
LOL....this is awesome!

At the risk of sounding like half the forum last month...

GOXED. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gtrrkicw on August 16, 2011, 07:04:08 PM
Quick... everyone back to ixcoin :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
Totally sucked off!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
Hahahaha....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Is anyone else about to go on a murder spree?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:05:12 PM
If this is all a big con, IXcoins are going to 10x value in price very quickly....lol....haha.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:05:44 PM
We just got scammed.  I'm going back to Ixcoin. :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:06:27 PM
NOW!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 16, 2011, 07:06:55 PM
If it is a big con, its thread probably broke the record for most posts in 5 minutes on this forum.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 07:07:29 PM
Hmm, I just fired up my "Kerbal Space Program" again...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
Totally sucked off!

Uh...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bearbalu on August 16, 2011, 07:08:19 PM
Domain ID:D163046061-LROR
Domain Name:I0COIN.ORG
Created On:15-Aug-2011 02:44:55 UTC

IP Address:208.100.54.31


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:08:19 PM
It was nasakioto that made that to make us mine ixcoins....
Nice idea bro


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:08:29 PM
If this is all a big con, IXcoins are going to 10x value in price very quickly....lol....haha.

Ixcoin value is now at 0.21 BTC per Ixcoin.  GO GO GO GO


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:08:59 PM
stay tuned: developer needs to mine 580k coins first lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
If this is all a big con, IXcoins are going to 10x value in price very quickly....lol....haha.

Ixcoin value is now at 0.21 BTC per Ixcoin.  GO GO GO GO

LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 07:09:33 PM
Goxed should be included in the dictionary.  :) Still nothing,  :'(. The pool is @ 0.00Ghash. I guess we'll have to wait a bit. OR we got "I0oed"!  :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Is anybody hashing away solo?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:10:42 PM
stay tuned: developer needs to mine 580k coins first lol

Almost seems like it huh?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 16, 2011, 07:11:01 PM
Is anybody hashing away solo?
Only on the "testnet", unfortunately.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:11:07 PM
Nearly 1Thash dropped off the total BTC network for about 5 minutes at 19:00 GMT and then back on about 5 minutes later...lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 07:11:35 PM
If this is all a big con, IXcoins are going to 10x value in price very quickly....lol....haha.

Ixcoin value is now at 0.21 BTC per Ixcoin.  GO GO GO GO
missing a few zeros before the 21


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 07:11:56 PM
LOL so this was actually PrankCoin? :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bitclown on August 16, 2011, 07:12:03 PM
You got just what you wanted; nothing new.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nelisky on August 16, 2011, 07:12:07 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 07:12:13 PM
"I0 Guild is preparing to go live almost immediately after it i0 coin is released.." - i0guild


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
they said 12 pacific.. is it this side of the pacific or the other? :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 07:14:35 PM
Maybe he's stuck in traffic?


FK


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 16, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

fuck I've been banging my head against the wall with that message for the last 3 days


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 16, 2011, 07:15:14 PM
how many morons got trollcoin'd?


*raises hand*
me.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:15:18 PM
16th August 19:00 GMT is what's on the site....and that....is in the past now...Goxxed?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 16, 2011, 07:15:23 PM
well.. that was a good joke.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chut on August 16, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
Are people getting cannot connect errors? Or just not receiving any work?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: m3ta on August 16, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

Solution was posted 3 thread pages back.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 16, 2011, 07:16:27 PM
I0Xed!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: djex on August 16, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
*sigh* Well this failed hard .....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
My energy company just called if something is wrong.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:16:48 PM
The coin is a lie.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 07:17:07 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

fuck I've been banging my head against the wall with that message for the last 3 days

Somebody already mentioned that the newer version src won't compile due to the missing genesis block. I think he got around it by using a couple of versions back to get the genesis block before pulling an update then compiling.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
he just wanted to get some cheap ixcoins  :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:17:54 PM
My energy company just called if something is wrong.

I lol'd :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roland68 on August 16, 2011, 07:18:04 PM
the joke of the week!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 07:18:13 PM
*sigh* Well this failed hard .....

Well, I wouldn't say it failed hard. If they meant it as a prank, it was a good one. I almost woke my neighbours laughing out loud when I saw the bunch of posts.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
It never said which year, could be Aug 16 2025 !


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 07:18:42 PM
he just wanted to get some cheap ixcoins  :P

They are already cheap LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: terrytibbs on August 16, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
My energy company just called if something is wrong.
Ha!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nelisky on August 16, 2011, 07:19:17 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

Solution was posted 3 thread pages back.

That is freakish and stupid... So we need a blockchain bootstrapped to start mining on a brand new blockchain?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:19:44 PM
My energy company just called if something is wrong.
Really lol'd! ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 07:19:48 PM
In about an hour (or whenever 4 blocks passes on BTC), the price of IXCoins will skyrocket as everyone is now depositing their BTC back there... (Me included)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
"So far no i0coin update has been released. Try BTC Guild while you wait?"

Hahahaha getting funnier by the minute  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:20:58 PM
-19 minutes and counting :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 07:21:09 PM
who is still mining the other coins?

ixcoin Pool Hash rate (MHash/second)   46433.4


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
"So far no i0coin update has been released. Try BTC Guild while you wait?" - i0guild. -oops! Sorry, this forum is getting the grand deluge  :)!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:21:18 PM
Remember the countdown timer to the Olsen twins turning legal?  Yea... this is basically like that... everybody was so excited only to realize they still can't get them.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: server on August 16, 2011, 07:21:53 PM
lol ... now I get the name... I ZERO coins... very funny


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 07:22:23 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

Solution was posted 3 thread pages back.

So are you currently mining I0coins?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
why are you closed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44)

http://i49.tinypic.com/2vmyez9.png


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 16, 2011, 07:23:04 PM
Maybe someone else can fork it and make a new genesis block? I liked the concept behind it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
Maybe someone else can fork it and make a new genesis block? I liked the concept behind it.

Which concept? The pumping or the dumping?  :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 07:24:18 PM
It's been delayed two, weeks.. so all yall can go back to what you were doing and ignore i0coin for 2 weeks 8)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
The pumping and then dumping


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 07:24:52 PM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/1/8/129074645839976366.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:25:24 PM
Hey guys I'm mining kickasscoins. So I can kick the guy in the ass who is making us all wait! :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 07:26:03 PM
If I seriously just wasted 27 BTC on 28 ghash and turns out its It won't happen god dammit i0coins...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 07:26:14 PM
https://aftertrojanwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/funny-dog-pictures-alone-street-rain-storm-waiting.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:26:43 PM
Well it's 3:30pm in chile at the moment....maybe they ARE stuck in traffic...lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 07:27:23 PM
It never said which year, could be Aug 16 2025 !

Well if the code in the webpage is anything to go by... it's 2011 :D
Code:
dateFuture1 = new Date(2011,7,16,19,00,00);


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:28:50 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/nlvcx3.png

Only replace the word bitcoin with I0Coin... :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chut on August 16, 2011, 07:29:51 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLA0tQlOkupKVUa7JJF-HpvY-8CII_UdndDgFdQBxO3rNpe8Gl


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
It never said which year, could be Aug 16 2025 !

Well if the code in the webpage is anything to go by... it's 2011 :D
Code:
dateFuture1 = new Date(2011,7,16,19,00,00);


Ehmmm 2011, 7 wait a minute.... August is 8 !!!! Not the 7th month..... Back to the future, or towards History in this case  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
I don't think it's a joke. Just didn't happen at the time it was supposed to.

Check out the git, there's been enough work done towards this project to know it's not just a joke.....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: boaz2020 on August 16, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
Well done kr105.  10/10


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:31:24 PM
IT"S UP!!!!!!!




Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 07:31:31 PM
I don't think it's a joke. Just didn't happen at the time it was supposed to.

Check out the git, there's been enough work done towards this project to know it's not just a joke.....

The best jokes take shitloads of preparation  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Kartoff on August 16, 2011, 07:31:52 PM
What happens now ? Everything says connecting and still nothing... All oh my GH are pointed at pool...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Well, now we know how to manipulate Bitcoin mining difficulty. WOOHOO! :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 07:32:18 PM
IT"S UP!!!!!!!




Yes! Just got my first block  :o


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:32:33 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mmf1ty0_gQs/TTWYF_UkeVI/AAAAAAAAAZA/ZQ-HXUyajOQ/s400/Santa-Claus-Troll-Face.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:33:18 PM
Didn't do to well at manipulating the BTC difficulty....lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:33:53 PM
IT"S UP!!!!!!!




Where? Up the bum?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 07:34:35 PM
Didn't do to well at manipulating the BTC difficulty....lol.

It would work much better if a genesis block was released and people were allowed to piss into the wind mine for a while.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:35:18 PM

Yes, all 25,000 BTC of it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:36:29 PM

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Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 07:36:40 PM
[16/08/2011 21:28:55] Phoenix v1.6.1 starting...
[16/08/2011 21:28:57] Connection was refused by other side: 10061: Connection re
fused..
[16/08/2011 21:28:57] Failed to connect, retrying...
[16/08/2011 21:29:13] Connection was refused by other side: 10061: Connection re
fused..
[16/08/2011 21:29:14] Failed to connect, retrying...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: rikur on August 16, 2011, 07:36:53 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

fuck I've been banging my head against the wall with that message for the last 3 days

do a

git checkout c817321791f174a38bd3501d73eed61894411de8

and rebuild. Latest build is broken. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:37:00 PM

lol..pssh...whoever stole that used them to buy IXCoins..;)



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 07:37:25 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

fuck I've been banging my head against the wall with that message for the last 3 days

do a

git checkout c817321791f174a38bd3501d73eed61894411de8

and rebuild. Latest build is broken. :)
what for?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 07:38:26 PM
[16/08/2011 21:28:55] Phoenix v1.6.1 starting...
[16/08/2011 21:28:57] Connection was refused by other side: 10061: Connection re
fused..
[16/08/2011 21:28:57] Failed to connect, retrying...
[16/08/2011 21:29:13] Connection was refused by other side: 10061: Connection re
fused..
[16/08/2011 21:29:14] Failed to connect, retrying...

Code:
[2011-08-16 21:35:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:35:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:36:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:36:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:37:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:37:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
>:(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 07:38:40 PM
In about an hour (or whenever 4 blocks passes on BTC), the price of IXCoins will skyrocket as everyone is now depositing their BTC back there... (Me included)

thanks for that ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nelisky on August 16, 2011, 07:38:47 PM
Well, I can't start the client:

Code:
i0coind: main.cpp:1566: bool LoadBlockIndex(bool): Assertion `block.hashMerkleRoot == uint256("0x01f79e95511e638325c288818ed10d95cdfb30bb775c8f024f380a4c9bcd8d4e")' failed.

This was from git.

fuck I've been banging my head against the wall with that message for the last 3 days

do a

git checkout c817321791f174a38bd3501d73eed61894411de8

and rebuild. Latest build is broken. :)

Broken as in it introduces a new genesis block assertion which is needed to start a new blockchain?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
i0coin hasn't released genesis block

not sure what they're waiting for


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
For f##k sake guys... I'TS UP 30 SECONDS AFTER MY RIG CRASHES!
Im now on my phone and can't get my pc to start D':


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: boaz2020 on August 16, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
"Let me taste your unfathomable tears of sadness - oh, yes, mm, they're so good!"


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qcrhDVVzhs4/TJI_d6AQMjI/AAAAAAAADf0/15Fyyuy-RBg/s1600/fiber1.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: brandon@sourcewerks on August 16, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
[2011-08-16 21:35:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:35:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:36:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:36:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:37:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!
[2011-08-16 21:37:35] Pool 0 http://i0.btcguild.com:8332 not responding!

This will be two fold: I0Coin must be up and the I0Guild must have the new miner installed for this to prove anything.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 07:41:32 PM
For f##k sake guys... I'TS UP 30 SECONDS AFTER MY RIG CRASHES!
Im now on my phone and can't get my pc to start D':


not up, still waiting on the genesis block


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:42:11 PM
It's up !!

http://www.i0coin.org/downloads/i0coin_0.0.1b.exe

GO!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 07:42:27 PM
It's up !!

http://www.i0coin.org/downloads/i0coin_0.0.1b.exe

GO!

OH STFU LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
It's up !!

http://www.i0coin.org/downloads/i0coin_0.0.1b.exe

GO!

404 Not Found


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
I wonder if the old dragons had that much fun with the original start  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 07:43:48 PM
i0coin hasn't released genesis block

not sure what they're waiting for

"Oh, shit. Maybe I should have saved the instructions for making a genesis block..."


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 16, 2011, 07:45:34 PM
maybe their building it using multicoin and a celeron cpu


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
If it turns out this cockbag has been mining for the last 45 mins, we need to not adopt it and move on to the next truly 'fair' fork. Everyone agree?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 07:46:31 PM
If it turns out this cockbag has been mining for the last 45 mins, we need to not adopt it and move on to the next truly 'fair' fork. Everyone agree?

YEP!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 07:46:33 PM
If it turns out this cockbag has been mining for the last 45 mins, we need to not adopt it and move on to the next truly 'fair' fork. Everyone agree?

mmmmm...I0coins.....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 07:47:17 PM
<conspiracy theory> This was done by the Jews Capitalists Communists Alpaca Sock Traders Banks to ruin our digital Currencies... dont give up! </conspiracy theory>


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ahitman on August 16, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
So if this update does come out, how does one run their own client in linux to do solo mining?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:47:47 PM
if i see that there is any blocks generated when we get the client ...like say um 5000 ill be pissed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:47:53 PM
How do you know that the next fork will not fork you again!?!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
http://www.30sleeps.com/images/fork-you.jpg

All these damn bitcoin forks...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: terrytibbs on August 16, 2011, 07:49:40 PM
It's up !!

http://www.i0coin.org/downloads/i0coin_0.0.1b.exe

GO!

404 Not Found
i0XED


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 16, 2011, 07:50:04 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 07:50:10 PM
if i see that there is any blocks generated when we get the client ...like say um 5000 ill be pissed.

there is already 10,000 in my client.. but I am guessing I will have to compile a new one if this ever comes out.

so how many of you are waiting idle on the damn io guild pool? and how long will you actually wait?




Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 07:51:19 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

LOL yeah right! 10/10 though.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 07:52:43 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:
If you have mined any, we will all hunt you down!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:53:15 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

EPIC !!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 07:53:38 PM
Client is up
http://sourceforge.net/projects/i0coin/files/i0coin-0.3.24/i0coin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe/download
But the download link is not.

You are soo funny... NOT!
Requesting Ban for acting like an Asshole.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

OMG


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 07:53:46 PM
so kr105 got 45 minutes of free mining. no biggie really. seems a fair payout for the work...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 16, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

Failcoin  ;D :o


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
For f##k sake guys... I'TS UP 30 SECONDS AFTER MY RIG CRASHES!
Im now on my phone and can't get my pc to start D':

Me too! My machine pointed to the pool BSODed.
i0coin hasn't released genesis block

not sure what they're waiting for

"Oh, shit. Maybe I should have saved the instructions for making a genesis block..."

I think a more strategic way of doing this is when difficulty is about to change say 100 to 50 blocks left, then the hashing power is diverted to the other chains = lower difficulty. Genius!   :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: burp on August 16, 2011, 07:54:30 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

I hope you release the source simultaneously :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:54:35 PM
Client is up

http://sourceforge.net/projects/i0coin/files/i0coin-0.3.24/i0coin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe/download

But the download link is not.



I think i0coin is going to be super l33t and not even release a win32 client ....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 07:54:42 PM
7 minutes til launch............again  :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 07:54:46 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

Failcoin  ;D :o

All your coins belongs to us  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 07:55:23 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

Uh uh, I hope nobody's already accepted the bounty on your head... :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
 .


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: djex on August 16, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
7 minutes til launch............again  :D

You mean re-launch :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:56:05 PM
7 minutes til launch............again  :D

...til..we'll all be staring at this again:

http://www.i0coin.org/banner.png


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 07:56:12 PM
Hey guys, i just noticed that i made a "little" mistake on the GMT conversion, i tought that the launch time are in 15 min, not that i'm delayed 45 min lol, so at the end the launch time will be at 20:00 GMT (On 13 min from now), be prepared to the rush, i will be releasing the clients on 12 min from now!
Again, i'm so sorry for this stupid delay D:

Failcoin  ;D :o

All your coins belongs to us  ;D

Hey, I claim a Copyright on that.  >:(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 07:56:45 PM
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
Someone warns I0GUILD, now!

SHUT YOUR MOUTH DON'T LET HIM KNOW ABOUT IT


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Twice the suspense on 1 day !

Who do we thank  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?

http://i0.btcguild.com/how_to_connect.php


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 07:57:44 PM
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?

You don't.  It was all a big joke.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 07:58:12 PM
SHUT YOUR MOUTH DON'T LET HIM KNOW ABOUT IT
You're damn right, edit my quote


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 07:58:37 PM
Client is up
http://sourceforge.net/projects/i0coin/files/i0coin-0.3.24/i0coin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe/download
But the download link is not.

You are soo funny... NOT!
Requesting Ban for acting like an Asshole.

Tastey tears.  Maybe you should get off the internet if you are that sensitive.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
The turnaround for replies is record breaking, if someone takes notice of the records i.e. :). Keep on F5ing! ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?

http://i0.btcguild.com/how_to_connect.php
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 07:59:10 PM
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?
i0  (letter I  and then number zero)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 07:59:39 PM
Yeah there is no pool, it's just a con the whole thing. Close forums and go do something else for the day.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 07:59:57 PM
10...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 08:00:07 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

Did you try turning it off and on again?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
Client is up
http://sourceforge.net/projects/i0coin/files/i0coin-0.3.24/i0coin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe/download
But the download link is not.

You are soo funny... NOT!
Requesting Ban for acting like an Asshole.

Tastey tears.  Maybe you should get off the internet if you are that sensitive.
Internet is serious Buisiness.  8)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
I
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?

http://i0.btcguild.com/how_to_connect.php
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

I guess they're not yet up. Try later in a couple of minutes when I0Coin "re-launches" :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fitty on August 16, 2011, 08:00:34 PM
Is bitparking going to have an i0 pool?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 08:01:16 PM
And we got DOUBLE TROLLED


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: brandon@sourcewerks on August 16, 2011, 08:02:22 PM
LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: boaz2020 on August 16, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
I0 wins the award for clunkiest launch ever.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:02:58 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
2000 GMT kr105

"12 more minutes"


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gnaget on August 16, 2011, 08:03:58 PM
computers are hard


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 08:04:17 PM
Launch time on site : 7PM GMT
Countdown ended at : 8PM GMT
Real start time was supposed to be : 9PM GMT

WAT


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:04:21 PM
Pure entertainment.


At least I got to enjoy lunch.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fitty on August 16, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:04:34 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



LOOOOOOOOOOOOOLZ!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
The man who forgot time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 08:04:47 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



and they all went to bed...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:05:10 PM
And we got DOUBLE TROLLED

He's trying to set a record on how many times he can troll the same bunch of people with the same trick :D

It's pretty fun just to watch this! :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
Re-Launch in -6 Mins and counting


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fitty on August 16, 2011, 08:05:56 PM
I0 wins the award for clunkiest launch ever.

I agree it's been a disaster

-Duke Nukem Forever


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 08:06:06 PM
Is bitparking going to have an i0 pool?
http://i0pool.bitparking.com redirects to http://i0pool.bitparking.com/pool

so it looks like he is working on it...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: InstaGx on August 16, 2011, 08:06:39 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



They'd also need to read through the code before compiling. Could be anything in there. Maybe something targeting their bitcoins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ableorange on August 16, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
mmmm.... so is this a scam or is it going ahead...?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:06:56 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

No, that's the wrong time base. 30 minutes is closer to the i0coin timing trends :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 16, 2011, 08:07:04 PM
this could be a mass trojan perhaps?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:07:07 PM
"hey guys I forgot it was 2000 GMT from 12 minutes ago. I'll release it in 10 minutes from now ..." :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: boaz2020 on August 16, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
I0 wins the award for clunkiest launch ever.

I agree it's been a disaster

-Duke Nukem Forever
Yeah well, that too :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: terrytibbs on August 16, 2011, 08:07:30 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



They'd also need to read through the code before compiling. Could be anything in there. Maybe something targeting their bitcoins.
Because running code for both i0coin and bitcoin on the same virtual node is HOW WE DO BUSINESS IN 2011!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: GenTarkin on August 16, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
This should be renamed to IOUcoin....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 08:08:05 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 08:08:13 PM
It's a scam. Move along. Nothing to see here.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: brandon@sourcewerks on August 16, 2011, 08:08:59 PM

They'd also need to read through the code before compiling. Could be anything in there. Maybe something targeting their bitcoins.

Thats what diff is for...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fitty on August 16, 2011, 08:09:16 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.

WTF are you smoking.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 08:10:26 PM
It's a scam. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Scam?
I don't see where I lost money


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MelMan2002 on August 16, 2011, 08:10:38 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.

Hours??  What compiler are you using?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: m3ta on August 16, 2011, 08:10:47 PM
1) get lab rats.
2) make them enjoy carrots.
3) announce carrot.
4) have some beers while rats wait.
5) at time of launch, do nothing.
6) Go To 3)




Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MacMiner on August 16, 2011, 08:11:05 PM
i0coin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe (http://goo.gl/dlguj)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 08:11:40 PM
It's a scam. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Scam?
I don't see where I lost money

And there goes my 27 btc I spent on mining contracts fucking shit


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 16, 2011, 08:11:47 PM
Released! Go go go!
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=2.0

GUYS i'm trying to post this from about 10 minutes and each time it rejects me saying "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.", hope that this get posted now!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
i0coin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe (http://goo.gl/dlguj)

It's a spy!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:12:00 PM
This so reminds me of when Mark at mt.gox kept saying "15 more hours" :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 08:12:04 PM
I
how to connect to btcguild for i0coin?
is it io.btcguild or i0.btcguild? Note that one is the letter o, the other is the number 0.
I tried the letter o last few hours, and it connect just fine, but now it cannot connect.
Then I tried to number 0, and it still won't connect.
Any ideas?

http://i0.btcguild.com/how_to_connect.php
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

I guess they're not yet up. Try later in a couple of minutes when I0Coin "re-launches" :)
Tried killing the miner and starting again, still no luck.
It is already 12 min PAST the re-launch time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: boaz2020 on August 16, 2011, 08:12:07 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.

WTF are you smoking.
That good shit.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: GenTarkin on August 16, 2011, 08:12:14 PM
All I can say is:
Dont write a check w/ your mouth you cant cash w/ your ass!!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 08:12:18 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.

WTF are you smoking.

I have been compiling that shit on Windows. takes a very long time, the worst part is "Boost".
Did you ever compile "Boost" ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
Released! Go go go!
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=2.0

GUYS i'm trying to post this from about 10 minutes and each time it rejects me saying "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.", hope that this get posted now!

windows client not there


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
Released! Go go go!
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=2.0

GUYS i'm trying to post this from about 10 minutes and each time it rejects me saying "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.", hope that this get posted now!

LOL, does the link even loads?

Waiting for screams of trojans/virus :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Trini8ed on August 16, 2011, 08:13:29 PM
GET WIDNWOS LCIeNT COME NO


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 08:13:42 PM
"So far i0coin looks like it was a troll. Try BTC Guild while we wait to find out?"


Hahahahahaha  8)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 08:14:04 PM
Third troll


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 08:14:10 PM
Released! Go go go!
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=2.0

GUYS i'm trying to post this from about 10 minutes and each time it rejects me saying "Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.", hope that this get posted now!

Linky noworky


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.

Hours??  What compiler are you using?

Doing it on windows, exactly like the Documentation says.
Machine is Core2Duo@2.15 GHz, 4GB RAM


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: brandon@sourcewerks on August 16, 2011, 08:14:35 PM
I still can't connect.
Tried both io.btcguild.com and i0.btcguild.com

btcguild needs to compile the updated software and load it before they can start. So it's probably not going to work for at least a good half an hour depending on how fast the compiling server is and how long it takes to compile the bitcoin code.



It's like 30 seconds.

If you have all the dependencies compiled and your Machine is damm fast, Ok.
If you start from scratch, it would take hours.

Hours??  What compiler are you using?

So if i0Guild had the test server up and running (which they did), wouldn't the dependencies already be taken care of.  I think they traded in their commodore/64 a couple months back when BTC surged to $30  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nelisky on August 16, 2011, 08:14:45 PM
So instead of pushing to git we get binary clients? lol!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:15:06 PM
NO WINDOWS CLIENT! OMG POST WHEN UR DONE PLEASE! >:(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: GenTarkin on August 16, 2011, 08:15:27 PM
Well if it was fake...you got us all pretty good tx2000 or w/e your name is....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:15:43 PM

I have been compiling that shit on Windows. takes a very long time, the worst part is "Boost".
Did you ever compile "Boost" ?

I remember vaguely some time back, falling asleep waiting for that to compile :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:16:07 PM
"So far i0coin looks like it was a troll. Try BTC Guild while we wait to find out?"


Hahahahahaha  8)

lol bigger pools will end up being weary of future forks if it happens to become the case.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
Once the exes are uploaded, they're likely to be wallet stealers.  Screw this, I'm going back to Ixcoin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:17:01 PM
So instead of pushing to git we get binary clients? lol!

i0coin: You can trust us not to put anything evil in it... after all, we can't even get GMT conversion right :o


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
i0coin: You can trust us not to put anything evil in it... after all, we can't even get GMT conversion right :o

"Timezones are hard. That's why we got into cryptography."


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gamer4156 on August 16, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
client is up


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bitonetta on August 16, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
A++ Will Relaunch AGAIN!   :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 16, 2011, 08:20:25 PM
let me know when someone get their wallet stolen.  8)

it's the best time for a trojan to snatch people's wallet because of greed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: terrytibbs on August 16, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
let me know when someone get their wallet stolen.  8)

it's the best time for a trojan to snatch people's wallet because of greed.
THIS IS WHY I KEEP ALL OF MY 900 BITCOINS ON MTGOX
THEY EVEN SENT ME THIS DONGLE THING


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 08:21:33 PM
let me know when someone get their wallet stolen.  8)

it's the best time for a trojan to snatch people's wallet because of greed.

It's not a wallet stealer, but it says there's a .dll file missing so won't work >:|


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
So why can't my i0pool workers connect?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 08:22:46 PM
Meanwhile, he is mining away no problem because he has the missing dll on his machines..  I call for a startover!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 08:22:56 PM
why does the4 client say 10blocks


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 08:23:13 PM
client is up

+1 Downloading as we speak.

Extracted on Windows and I get an error Upon opening:"The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix the problem."  ???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 16, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
So why can't my i0pool workers connect?

Did you try turning it off and on again?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 16, 2011, 08:24:15 PM
Did you check the cables? You know it could always be the cables...wiggle them a bit..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 08:24:58 PM
let me know when someone get their wallet stolen.  8)

it's the best time for a trojan to snatch people's wallet because of greed.
THIS IS WHY I KEEP ALL OF MY 900 BITCOINS ON MTGOX
THEY EVEN SENT ME THIS DONGLE THING
MTGOX is the worst guys to trust.
Ur coin will be more secure on ur PC than on their website. Since they don't care shit about anyone's coin/money for that matter.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Crs on August 16, 2011, 08:25:02 PM
fucking workiiiiiiing:


[16/08/2011 23:24:23] Failed to connect, retrying...
[16/08/2011 23:24:39] Failed to connect, retrying...
[16/08/2011 23:24:54] Connected to server
[16/08/2011 23:25:02] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:03] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:04] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:05] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:07] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:11] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:12] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:14] LP: New work pushed
[341.08 Mhash/sec] [0 Accepted] [0 Rejected] [RPC (+LP)]


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
client is up

+1 Downloading as we speak.

Extracted on Windows and I get an error Upon opening:"The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix the problem."  ???

+1 fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 08:25:25 PM
i uploaded that dll (http://www.mediafire.com/?eb9w8dq8zx4s22g).. dont know if it will help ya.. i compiled my own client so it is working here


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
So why can't my i0pool workers connect?

Did you try turning it off and on again?
i0pool? u mean i0.btcguild?
I still cant' connect btw.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
fucking workiiiiiiing:


[16/08/2011 23:24:23] Failed to connect, retrying...
[16/08/2011 23:24:39] Failed to connect, retrying...
[16/08/2011 23:24:54] Connected to server
[16/08/2011 23:25:02] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:03] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:04] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:05] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:07] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:11] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:12] LP: New work pushed
[16/08/2011 23:25:14] LP: New work pushed
[341.08 Mhash/sec] [0 Accepted] [0 Rejected] [RPC (+LP)]


WOW This is fucked up. He releases a version for linux that works but for windows it doesnt. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
client is up

+1 Downloading as we speak.

Extracted on Windows and I get an error Upon opening:"The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix the problem."  ???

+1 fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Needs static linking... you cant expect a Windows user to collect all the damm .dll files
complete .exe should be like 10 MB


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:26:55 PM
Holy reject rate!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
now the i0.btcguild webpage is gone entirely


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 08:27:06 PM
Why isn't there an installer for windows like BTC and IXC?????? You can't just extract the zip and it work. Files have to go in the roaming folder, etc.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 16, 2011, 08:27:13 PM
lollercoaster 100% stale.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: xlcus on August 16, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
I have 1 share! :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dayfall on August 16, 2011, 08:28:48 PM
Now we need libstdc++-6.dll

This is beginning to look like one of my distributions.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
What block # are we on now?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
ok now it finally connects to i0.btcguild.
but all i got was "new work pushed".


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 08:30:56 PM
"Running on the i0coin release now!" - i0guild.
I'm mining there right now. Let's see where this goes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
Holy stale rate batman!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 08:31:27 PM
omg 600 blocks


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ableorange on August 16, 2011, 08:31:31 PM
oki...

BTC guild/ I0 Guild shows hashing...


So its on???

WTF is up with this


SHOCKING LAUNCH


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roland68 on August 16, 2011, 08:32:56 PM
still 100% reject for the moment ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ahitman on August 16, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
Where is the linux client for download?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 08:35:25 PM
still 100% reject for the moment ...
Same here


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Adamlm on August 16, 2011, 08:36:18 PM
how to run linux client on tinycore?
/daemon/
i0coind
I've tried ./i0coind and "permission denied" :<


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
OMG THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IVE JUST BSOD'D... FFS!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 08:37:15 PM
I0 Guild Pool Speed: 219.28 GH/s
In a matter of minutes :) But still 100 Stales :(.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:37:46 PM
Wow 900 blocks and I havent gotten one yet. This is so messed up.

Seriously...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roland68 on August 16, 2011, 08:38:23 PM
60 shares for me now ...all rejected  1 or 2 sec shares to short !!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:38:28 PM
Got a block!

"3d8bc643923d5c5167194cbbb8fa2c3caf268bfb692397116f277636815ecf"


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:38:50 PM
I got 28 blocks so far.  I"M THE NEXT BILL GATES.  You heard it here first.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 08:39:08 PM
100% Stales on I0Guild so far

 8)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
Block #1008
Halfway through difficulty 4


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: NielDLR on August 16, 2011, 08:39:51 PM
My client is not connecting! Any else experiencing this? Using the Windows client that I downloaded (not from git hub compile).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 08:40:14 PM
I got 28 blocks so far.  I"M THE NEXT BILL GATES.  You heard it here first.
How many ghash you running?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
Got a block!

"3d8bc643923d5c5167194cbbb8fa2c3caf268bfb692397116f277636815ecf"
I bet 1 I0C it's orphan


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
Block #1008
Halfway through difficulty 4



Difficulty 1


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:41:03 PM
Got a block!

"3d8bc643923d5c5167194cbbb8fa2c3caf268bfb692397116f277636815ecf"
I bet 1 I0C it's orphan

Nope, 114 confirmations


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:42:20 PM
Got a block!

"3d8bc643923d5c5167194cbbb8fa2c3caf268bfb692397116f277636815ecf"
I bet 1 I0C it's orphan

whoops!

you were right  :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:42:23 PM
How do we get this thing set up for solo?  I tried 8332 and 8337 and Phoenix can't connect.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 08:43:33 PM
Because of this software i got k-lined from freenode. Someone alert they're staff immediately. Why was i banned? I dunno, but prolly because the client connects to irc for peers.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 08:44:23 PM
sounds like btc guild is hogging all the blocks. Okay this is dumb. One pool gets all the blocks and no one else gets anything but scraps. There is your asnwer for a virtual currency. This is retarded.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: enmaku on August 16, 2011, 08:44:28 PM
Started solo mining, solved like 10 blocks very quickly and then it appears they all immediately got orphaned as they are no longer in my transactions list... Now I've got two GPUs pointed at my local client and am not seeing the share count increment at all, though neither complains of connection problems. i0guild is essentially down for me too so wtf?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:45:13 PM
It is port 8332, I accidentally had mine set to 8338 so I missed the first dozen or so blocks.



C:\****************\I0coin\I0coin\daemon>i0coind.exe getdifficulty
1.00000000


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 08:45:32 PM
i0guild: "NOTHING can be done about all the stales until difficulty increases. New blocks are finishing multiple times per second!"

707   2011-08-16 20:31:53   0:00:00   1   119 until confirmed
376   2011-08-16 20:31:53   0:00:14   1   Confirmed

ohoh


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
The difficulty is too low!

Will not find many blocks until diff of 3.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fx1Trader on August 16, 2011, 08:46:43 PM
NOTHING can be done about all the stales until difficulty increases. New blocks are finishing multiple times per second!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gerOZ on August 16, 2011, 08:47:46 PM
what rpc port?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:48:07 PM
Difficulty 1 = Solo Miners Haven.

But i0guild will get more in the long run, maybe.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 08:48:07 PM
It is port 8332, I accidentally had mine set to 8338 so I missed the first dozen or so blocks.



C:\****************\I0coin\I0coin\daemon>i0coind.exe getdifficulty
1.00000000

Care to share/upload your i0coin client? I tried the uploaded .dll and couldn't get i0coin to open. :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:48:30 PM
I did get that block after all  :P.

It moved from transactions to balance, didnt catch that.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 16, 2011, 08:48:49 PM
The difficulty is too low!

Will not find many blocks until diff of 3.
If only the same would be said by Bitcoin miners :).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 08:49:47 PM
welcome to the i0coin valid share lottery!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roadhog2k5 on August 16, 2011, 08:52:04 PM
IF YOU ARE ON THE FREENODE IRC SERVER DO NOT OPEN THE CLIENT OR YOU WILL GET K-LINED SINCE IT CONNECTS TO FREENODE. /caps


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 08:52:27 PM
It is port 8332, I accidentally had mine set to 8338 so I missed the first dozen or so blocks.



C:\****************\I0coin\I0coin\daemon>i0coind.exe getdifficulty
1.00000000

Care to share/upload your i0coin client? I tried the uploaded .dll and couldn't get i0coin to open. :(

Re-download the client from the i0coin.org link.  Carlos recompiled.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gtrrkicw on August 16, 2011, 08:52:49 PM
Arrrg... none of my solo mined blocks get accepted and I can't connect to i0guild... I think I'm just about done with these fly by night (x)coin  clones


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EpicBacon on August 16, 2011, 08:53:20 PM
YES! I mined a block on i0guild!

But now it seems i0guild is down  :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:53:32 PM
IF YOU ARE ON THE FREENODE IRC SERVER DO NOT OPEN THE CLIENT OR YOU WILL GET K-LINED SINCE IT CONNECTS TO FREENODE. /caps

Whoops! I had it running.

What does it mean to get k-lined?

I am no longer connected. Is this permanent?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
Started solo mining, solved like 10 blocks very quickly and then it appears they all immediately got orphaned as they are no longer in my transactions list... Now I've got two GPUs pointed at my local client and am not seeing the share count increment at all, though neither complains of connection problems. i0guild is essentially down for me too so wtf?

It's basically a network latency game now. BTC Guild should win this race simply because they have got more hashing power than anybody else and when the chain forks, their version will override everybody else's because they will confirm their own before they would even see anybody else's.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 08:54:01 PM
IF YOU ARE ON THE FREENODE IRC SERVER DO NOT OPEN THE CLIENT OR YOU WILL GET K-LINED SINCE IT CONNECTS TO FREENODE. /caps

CONF... *clears throat*... confirmed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 08:54:28 PM
i0guild totally dominates the network. theoretically they could simply ignore all the solo miners...   ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:55:07 PM
Arrrg... none of my solo mined blocks get accepted and I can't connect to i0guild... I think I'm just about done with these fly by night (x)coin  clones

Two blocks for me now!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: stabs on August 16, 2011, 08:55:28 PM
This is insane, I love it!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
I can't find a block at ALL solo mining.  I guess I'll settle for the steady flow from i0pool.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bitonetta on August 16, 2011, 08:56:20 PM
6 blocks accepted.  Still 99% stale rate tho.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: NielDLR on August 16, 2011, 08:56:27 PM
My client is still not connecting? Any help here?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 16, 2011, 08:56:33 PM
Please donate something to me:
jSM9gN5Xwy3UG92QHeKNM1mk6uS9KPdDKY


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 08:58:18 PM
My client is still not connecting? Any help here?

Make sure the RPC port in your i0coin.conf file is 7332.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: chungenhung on August 16, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
So far 100% stales, or sometimes it just won't even connect.
This is out of 4GH/s


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
My client is still not connecting? Any help here?

Make sure the RPC port in your i0coin.conf file is 7332.

Don't you mean 8332


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 09:00:41 PM
Difficulty 4


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 09:01:36 PM
Wow I just had 7 blocks go "This block was not received by any other nodes and will not be accepted!".  i0guild is forking off at this point I think.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gamer4156 on August 16, 2011, 09:01:48 PM
have we heard when the I0 exchange will be up for trading?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:01:59 PM
3 shares, zero blocks, 1/2 GH/s


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bitclown on August 16, 2011, 09:02:39 PM
  • Time zone conversion fail
  • No version tracking repo
  • Blob in zip ball
  • No base directory in source archive
  • Starting at difficulty 1(!!!)
  • Connects to single Freenode server
  • Offers nothing new over Bitcoin besides incompetence

Sayonara, Bitcoin, there's a new cryptocurrency in town!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
I got k-lined from freenode. Thanks guys, really thanks.

And those that cant connect. Add rpcallowip=<yourip> in the .conf file


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 09:05:27 PM
My client is still not connecting? Any help here?

Make sure the RPC port in your i0coin.conf file is 7332.

Don't you mean 8332

Nope, I am solo mining with 7332 as we speak.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 09:05:36 PM
Make that 30+ previously generated blocks that have now turned invalid as per the message above.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
  • Time zone conversion fail
  • No version tracking repo
  • Blob in zip ball
  • No base directory in source archive
  • Starting at difficulty 1(!!!)
  • Connects to single Freenode server
  • Offers nothing new over Bitcoin besides incompetence

Sayonara, Bitcoin, there's a new cryptocurrency in town!

With none of the infrastructure that Bitcoin has :-/


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 16, 2011, 09:06:17 PM
VHS and beta max


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
Well for all the assholes in this thread who are crying and demanding that they get what they want. I hope you all get PWNED by the guys with the real power and the pools.


I want to say thanks to the person who set this up!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on August 16, 2011, 09:07:04 PM
5 shares accepted out of 853 !

LOLZ  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roland68 on August 16, 2011, 09:07:36 PM
VHS and beta max
c64 and atari ST 520


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mrbashfo on August 16, 2011, 09:08:16 PM
lots of connection problems on  opencl miner with i0guild 1 share LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 16, 2011, 09:08:56 PM
well.. I guess now we know what happens when 1 terahash runs at low difficulty.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 09:09:20 PM
5 shares accepted out of 853 !

LOLZ  ;D

Solo has netted me 2 valid out of 961 blocks. 99.8% orphaned.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:09:53 PM
difficulty should not have been started so low ugh

We're at difficulty 2 (or whatever the next one was) now


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 09:11:11 PM
Make that 30+ previously generated blocks that have now turned invalid as per the message above.

Same.  I knew it was too good to be true :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Crs on August 16, 2011, 09:11:24 PM
i0.btcguild.com : [5], 84 bytes, 189 ms (189 avg, 0% loss)
i0.btcguild.com : [6], 84 bytes, 189 ms (189 avg, 0% loss)
^C
i0.btcguild.com : xmt/rcv/%loss = 7/7/0%, min/avg/max = 189/189/189
nmc@nmcpc:~/i0coin$

At 189 ms I'll never get a block...

110 share, none accepted


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mrbashfo on August 16, 2011, 09:12:22 PM
pretty horrible gotta wait til difficulty goes up. LOL man anyone else having lots of connection problems on i0guild?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 09:12:30 PM
holy shit did I just get decimated.  All my blocks disappeared.




Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 09:13:57 PM
If I have solo mining up and running, is that preferable to using i0guild at this time?

How can I tell if I find a block? I started i0coind.exe, but when that's running, I can't run the regular client at the same time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mrbashfo on August 16, 2011, 09:14:08 PM
holy shit did I just get decimated.  All my blocks disappeared.




that sucks!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:14:54 PM
Just got one block from btcguild


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 09:15:44 PM
holy shit did I just get decimated.  All my blocks disappeared.




that sucks!!!!!!!!!!

I was expecting some to disappear but I guess i0guild took dominance over the chain and as a result, poof.  Oh well.  Interesting to say the least.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 09:15:49 PM
If I have solo mining up and running, is that preferable to using i0guild at this time?

How can I tell if I find a block? I started i0coind.exe, but when that's running, I can't run the regular client at the same time.

You need to use command prompt queries. From i0coin/daemon directory type "i0coind help" to see a list of commands.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 09:16:37 PM
holy shit did I just get decimated.  All my blocks disappeared.

Some people are reporting the same thing.  I saw a few of my blocks disappear too, even ones that had confirmations.  But now that I think about it, it didn't make sense that I had mined 80 blocks out of 240 so far lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
it looks like it's about 3 shares/block right now on i0.btcguild.com


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 16, 2011, 09:17:18 PM
Crap, I need some IP address to bootstrap, since it looks like I got the IRC k-line too and I'm dead in the water with 2 connections...

Post some IPs from the IRC channel or your firewall connection log please!

Or if you have more than 8 connections, upload your addr.dat file to mediafire.com (it has the ip addresses of other network clients) and share or pm please!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 09:17:30 PM
A block is fully confirmed after 120 confirmations.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 09:17:38 PM
If I have solo mining up and running, is that preferable to using i0guild at this time?

How can I tell if I find a block? I started i0coind.exe, but when that's running, I can't run the regular client at the same time.

stop i0coind then run "i0coin.exe -server" instead


For all current bitcoin/forks, you can start the client with the -server flag instead. This will allow you to solo mine and use the GUI client at the same time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: alkhdaniel on August 16, 2011, 09:19:18 PM
fuck yeah, i found one :D

http://i0.btcguild.com/block_inspect.php?block=1480

Also got another one accepted, but it's not on the list yet.

~550mhash.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: toasty on August 16, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
I'm just watching because I was curious to see how the network/protocol would behave in this situation.

It looks like from look at btcguild's block page (http://i0.btcguild.com/blocks.php), they believe they're finding ALL the blocks from their perspective. In periods where they're finding >50% of the blocks, they're effectively coming up with their own block chain where they're the winner to everything. When they don't manage to muscle out everyone else, they end up losing their whole forked chain.

Is this right? Anyone with more experience with how the block collision scheme works could probably answer this better, but it's kinda interesting to watch the debug log showing the battles.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 09:20:19 PM
Does the full blockchain have to load before solo mining works?

My client only has 1066 blocks but I see over 1600 at btcguild.

Should i just wait until my client catches up (if it can)?

8 connections btw


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 09:20:28 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 09:21:19 PM
Does the full blockchain have to load before solo mining works?

My client only has 1066 blocks but I see over 1600 at btcguild.

Should i just wait until my client catches up (if it can)?

8 connections btw

Yeah, hawk i believe so.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
stop i0coind then run "i0coin.exe -server" instead


For all current bitcoin/forks, you can start the client with the -server flag instead. This will allow you to solo mine and use the GUI client at the same time.

Awesome, thanks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bitonetta on August 16, 2011, 09:22:01 PM
I found 7 blocks at difficulty 1.  Zero in the last 10 mins.  >:(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:22:09 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.

blocks were invalidated p2p


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 16, 2011, 09:22:29 PM
I'm just watching because I was curious to see how the network/protocol would behave in this situation.

It looks like from look at btcguild's block page (http://i0.btcguild.com/blocks.php), they believe they're finding ALL the blocks from their perspective. In periods where they're finding >50% of the blocks, they're effectively coming up with their own block chain where they're the winner to everything. When they don't manage to muscle out everyone else, they end up losing their whole forked chain.

Is this right? Anyone with more experience with how the block collision scheme works could probably answer this better, but it's kinda interesting to watch the debug log showing the battles.


The longest blockchain will eventually win, so if i0.btcguild has more hashrate than all the soloers and doesn't connect to everyone until later, they will grow a longer blockchain that will orphan all the solo miners generated coins, as previously detailed by me.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
it looks like it's about 3 shares/block right now on i0.btcguild.com


Every single one shows 1 to me...


Also, what the hell is going on ? I0Guild is saying it has been 18 mins since the last block :S


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 16, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
i think there's over 1 terahash at i0guild... its showing 500mhash/s for me but I actually have 2.7Ghash/s pointed at it.

I think i'm just going back to bitcoin lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: toasty on August 16, 2011, 09:23:12 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.
I think what I mentioned a few posts above yours. Before your block was fully confirmed (>100-120 confirmations), an alternate block chain (probably BTCguild's own view of the winners) managed to get more confirms than the chain your block was in.

And for those of you wondering why a single pool getting >50% of the network's hash rate, consider this an example of what they could do. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 09:23:17 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.

blocks were invalidated p2p

Even ones with 120+ confirmations???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Clipse on August 16, 2011, 09:23:27 PM
Whoever got i0c balance, go start opening ask offers on i0exchange :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 09:24:02 PM
fuck yeah, i found one :D

http://i0.btcguild.com/block_inspect.php?block=1480

Also got another one accepted, but it's not on the list yet.

~550mhash.
1Ghps since the beginning and not even a single share


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: AmpEater on August 16, 2011, 09:24:10 PM
Wow I just had like 20 blocks dissapear from my client.  Down to 0 with 10+ Ghash/sec

Anyone spare an I0Coin? jZVjssDGgS5PYf3kjbFTGj9Gx66jNtH4bn


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Clipse on August 16, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.
I think what I mentioned a few posts above yours. Before your block was fully confirmed (>100-120 confirmations), an alternate block chain (probably BTCguild's own view of the winners) managed to get more confirms than the chain your block was in.

And for those of you wondering why a single pool getting >50% of the network's hash rate, consider this an example of what they could do. :)


Oh and so many people didnt understand when I told them mining at the pool you would have a better chance than solomining at this difficulty.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:25:04 PM
it looks like it's about 3 shares/block right now on i0.btcguild.com


Every single one shows 1 to me...


Also, what the hell is going on ? I0Guild is saying it has been 18 mins since the last block :S

freenode k-lined them?? lol... they're coming up every second for me


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 09:25:33 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.
I think what I mentioned a few posts above yours. Before your block was fully confirmed (>100-120 confirmations), an alternate block chain (probably BTCguild's own view of the winners) managed to get more confirms than the chain your block was in.

And for those of you wondering why a single pool getting >50% of the network's hash rate, consider this an example of what they could do. :)


Yeah but this happened even on blocks that had well over 120+ confirmations.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 16, 2011, 09:26:32 PM
i think there's over 1 terahash at i0guild... its showing 500mhash/s for me but I actually have 2.7Ghash/s pointed at it.

I think i'm just going back to bitcoin lol.

Deepbit is down by 400-600 gh/s :/


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: NielDLR on August 16, 2011, 09:26:40 PM
My client is still not connecting. I added rpcport=8332 to conf file and added my ip rpcallowip and the client is still not connecting.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 16, 2011, 09:26:46 PM
I predict there are several blockchains all more than 120 blocks apart, bitcoin doesn't know how to 'orphan' block chains with so much difference, this will create a clusterfuck of seperate blockchains that cannot be reconciled. This was an abortion, it should have had difficulty 10000 to start.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
I predict there are several blockchains all more than 120 blocks apart, bitcoin doesn't know how to 'orphan' block chains with so much difference, this will create a clusterfuck of seperate blockchains that cannot be reconciled. This was an abortion, it should have had difficulty 10000 to start.


no, this is great, i got a bunch of blocks


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: borgfish on August 16, 2011, 09:27:48 PM
i agree its pretty interesting.
managed to get 23.5 ioc confirmed at btcguild with 300mh/s

its so funny to watch how it works out


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: toasty on August 16, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 09:29:13 PM
Uh.. WTF just happened?  ALL of my blcoks just disappeared along with my entire balance.
I think what I mentioned a few posts above yours. Before your block was fully confirmed (>100-120 confirmations), an alternate block chain (probably BTCguild's own view of the winners) managed to get more confirms than the chain your block was in.

And for those of you wondering why a single pool getting >50% of the network's hash rate, consider this an example of what they could do. :)


I'm not 100% certain but I don't think the protocol cares how many confirmations you've got. It will always take the longest chain.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roland68 on August 16, 2011, 09:29:20 PM
mined  12 iocoin ...so what?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
I predict there are several blockchains all more than 120 blocks apart, bitcoin doesn't know how to 'orphan' block chains with so much difference, this will create a clusterfuck of seperate blockchains that cannot be reconciled. This was an abortion, it should have had difficulty 10000 to start.


This actually good. It answers the question: "Well, why can't somebody just make another coin that makes bitcoin useless?"



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 09:30:23 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.

Exactly. Their block count is about a 1000 back from what my client is telling me.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 16, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
I predict there are several blockchains all more than 120 blocks apart, bitcoin doesn't know how to 'orphan' block chains with so much difference, this will create a clusterfuck of seperate blockchains that cannot be reconciled. This was an abortion, it should have had difficulty 10000 to start.


no, this is great, i got a bunch of blocks

You will lose them, I had 480 confirmed coinz go poof, and then 400 different blocks start downloading.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:31:50 PM
btcguild is not showing any new shares either but my miners are getting them


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 09:32:11 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.


The site is probably not keeping up with the block generation. It is updated on a 1 minute interval and with multiple new blocks every second, that's a 120 blocks lag at least.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MelMan2002 on August 16, 2011, 09:32:38 PM
Whoever got i0c balance, go start opening ask offers on i0exchange :D

I can't find an i0exchange that is taking i0 deposits yet - but I'm willing to sell a few to anyone interested. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 09:32:43 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.


maybe they disconnected and will reconnect at higher difficulty when they have overtaken the solos


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Spacy on August 16, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
I am at block # 3240 now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 16, 2011, 09:33:08 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.

Exactly. Their block count is about a 1000 back from what my client is telling me.

can't. catch. up. to. blockchain! gah!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Nesetalis on August 16, 2011, 09:33:12 PM
its going to be atleast a day before i0coin stabilizes in to anything resembling sanity I think :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:33:22 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.


maybe they disconnected and will reconnect at higher difficulty when they have overtaken the solos

okay, but where the fuck are my shares going to then?

i have like 40 new shares and btcguild is reporting none of them


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: toasty on August 16, 2011, 09:33:27 PM
Either btcguild is lagging really far behind, or the chain has already been forked going considerably far back. They're still showing themselves as winning every block, which I can see isn't the case. Their block count from their pool server is also lower than what my client is showing.


The site is probably not keeping up with the block generation. It is updated on a 1 minute interval and with multiple new blocks every second, that's a 120 blocks lag at least.


True, but if you go far enough back they're showing full confirmations on blocks that don't match what my client sees. I think they've forked off into their own world entirely.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: noobboon on August 16, 2011, 09:34:33 PM
BTC guild said I have 106 IOC now. I found that using CGminer will have more share than GUIminer with Phoenix miner.

one of my card running  CGminer and got 7 share since difficult 1 till now.
two of others running GUIminer with Phoenix got none. All stale.


Donate some IOC to me if you think it's working. jWYbNEwWJ1mqFKb5sut781auW6343AhK8Z


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
okay it's reporting the shares are received but not showing them, i don't know what's going on


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 09:35:24 PM
A bit of a disaster but I think this is a lesson that needed to be learned.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 09:35:45 PM
This is disappointing.  Oh hey look, you have a balance of 1000+ I0coins.  SIKE!  Just kidding!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:37:03 PM
if you look at the blocklist ioguild is reported my shares as 0... wtf? these can't all be stale


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:38:33 PM
how long until difficulty 1000


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Seraphim401 on August 16, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
My client is still not connecting. I added rpcport=8332 to conf file and added my ip rpcallowip and the client is still not connecting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20)
Read post #33


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 09:40:40 PM
A bit of a disaster but I think this is a lesson that needed to be learned.

It is a good experiment and fun to watch it unfold.  Part of the question about having a target block generation period of less than 10 min is a bad idea was the amount of forking that would take place. With such low difficulties, the effect is probably multiplied and would serve as data for anybody else planning to change the target interval.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 09:40:51 PM
So much for a block every 5 minutes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wormbog on August 16, 2011, 09:41:39 PM
Interesting - the infrastructure can't handle a wide public announcement until the difficulty is high enough to prevent all the blockchain forking.

Solution is to set the starting difficulty high enough to prevent early adopters from making easy fortunes, but low enough to not be a barrier to entry.

I wonder what the magic number is.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
well, I guess at least no one is getting the blocks right now


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Crs on August 16, 2011, 09:42:43 PM
nmc@nmcpc:~/i0coin/daemon$ ./i0coind getdifficulty
4.00000000


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 09:43:22 PM
What's this about people getting k-lined from freenode? How can mining *coins have anything to do with an IRC network?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Spacy on August 16, 2011, 09:44:31 PM
Why doesn't the I0 Guild blockchain get overwritten by the blockchain with already 3600 blocks? Or are they delaying stats?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 09:45:15 PM
What's this about people getting k-lined from freenode? How can mining *coins have anything to do with an IRC network?

The original bitcoin client code uses the freenode network to find peers to connect to so... :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on August 16, 2011, 09:45:18 PM
Wouldn't merely allowing difficulty increases greater than 4x fix the forking problem in a single difficulty increase?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 09:46:34 PM
I think they might be delaying stats, I just transferred coins from guild to my client and it worked fine....

This shit needs to stop, my miners are going somewhat idle and not generating enough heat so my room is getting cold  :'(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fx1Trader on August 16, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
99.33 % stales ..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
I have 1Ghps and BTCguild only sees 40Mhps wtf??


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
that's it with the name: 0 valid shares, 0 coins  :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: NielDLR on August 16, 2011, 09:49:41 PM
My client is still not connecting. I added rpcport=8332 to conf file and added my ip rpcallowip and the client is still not connecting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20)
Read post #33

Either I'm doing something colossally stupid, or something is wrong. I created an i0coin.conf in User->Appdate->Roaming->I0coin and has the lines rpcport=7332 in it. Still does not connect. Is there anything else to add to the conf file that I'm missing?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: toasty on August 16, 2011, 09:49:43 PM
I think they might be delaying stats, I just transferred coins from guild to my client and it worked fine....

This shit needs to stop, my miners are going somewhat idle and not generating enough heat so my room is getting cold  :'(

If you are using the CLI, can you show me what "getinfo" says? what block count are you up to on your client? Or if you're using the windows GUI, it should say at the bottom. Are you seeing any confirmations yet?

(trying to figure out if there's actually a fork or not)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
If you want to laugh, take a look at the block explorer:
http://devcoinblockexplorer.dyndns.info/chain/I0coin
(slow)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 16, 2011, 09:50:08 PM
Why doesn't the I0 Guild blockchain get overwritten by the blockchain with already 3600 blocks? Or are they delaying stats?

The # blocks shown by I0guild is the number of blocks they found. Not total number of blocks.
So #2392 doesn't mean it's block #2392. It just mean it's the 2392th block I0guild found.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EpicBacon on August 16, 2011, 09:50:24 PM
http://img11.mediafire.com/a303204de4468107ab63c8c259aa8a0a42710c0311956c4cf876d0a81c328a416g.jpg

Mmmmmm I0coins


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
it sure is cool that ioguild is taking all my shares and then reported them all as stale... right now client says 400 ok 400 stale


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Spacy on August 16, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
The # blocks shown by I0guild is the number of blocks they found. Not total number of blocks.
So #2392 doesn't mean it's block #2392. It just mean it's the 2392th block I0guild found.

Ah ok so I am probably fine with my mined i0coins ^^


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: TripHammer on August 16, 2011, 09:53:34 PM
I'm trying to solo mine, got the daemon running and 2 cards seem to have connected using guiminer but I only get stale hashs is that right even for solo mining?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 16, 2011, 09:55:19 PM
I'm trying to solo mine, got the daemon running and 2 cards seem to have connected using guiminer but I only get stale hashs is that right even for solo mining?


Yea.. you're competing with 1 terahash. I moved back to bitcoin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 09:57:12 PM
My client is still not connecting. I added rpcport=8332 to conf file and added my ip rpcallowip and the client is still not connecting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20)
Read post #33

Either I'm doing something colossally stupid, or something is wrong. I created an i0coin.conf in User->Appdate->Roaming->I0coin and has the lines rpcport=7332 in it. Still does not connect. Is there anything else to add to the conf file that I'm missing?

What is your command line for the miner?

Also, your i0coinc.conf needs to contain these lines (at least):

server=1
rpcuser=xxxx
rpcpassword=xxxx
rpcallowip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
rpcport=7332


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 09:57:25 PM
Interesting - the infrastructure can't handle a wide public announcement until the difficulty is high enough to prevent all the blockchain forking.

Solution is to set the starting difficulty high enough to prevent early adopters from making easy fortunes, but low enough to not be a barrier to entry.

I wonder what the magic number is.

I'd say probably at least 100K. That would take an average of about 7 minutes or so for 1TH to generate each block.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
I think there may have been either CPU or bandwidth issues on the pool too....it seems to be rectified now. Much more stable connection.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: noobboon on August 16, 2011, 09:57:39 PM
BTC guild said I have 106 IOC now. I found that using CGminer will have more share than GUIminer with Phoenix miner.

one of my card running  CGminer and got 7 share since difficult 1 till now.
two of others running GUIminer with Phoenix got none. All stale.


Donate some IOC to me if you think it's working. jWYbNEwWJ1mqFKb5sut781auW6343AhK8Z

LMAO. Someone send me 0.000001 IOC.........


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 16, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
VHS and beta max

The best system was Video 2000 ... but quite expensive.   :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 16, 2011, 10:00:43 PM
Interesting - the infrastructure can't handle a wide public announcement until the difficulty is high enough to prevent all the blockchain forking.

Solution is to set the starting difficulty high enough to prevent early adopters from making easy fortunes, but low enough to not be a barrier to entry.

I wonder what the magic number is.

I'd say probably at least 100K. That would take an average of about 7 minutes or so for 1TH to generate each block.

most likely not even profitable at 100k. How much are i0c's worth? .002 btc each, maybe?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on August 16, 2011, 10:01:33 PM
.002 btc each, maybe?



Ahahahahalolololblarg!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 16, 2011, 10:01:45 PM
nmc@nmcpc:~/i0coin/daemon$ ./i0coind getdifficulty
4.00000000

past block 4032 on somebody's chain - difficulty 16 now


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 16, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Interesting - the infrastructure can't handle a wide public announcement until the difficulty is high enough to prevent all the blockchain forking.

Solution is to set the starting difficulty high enough to prevent early adopters from making easy fortunes, but low enough to not be a barrier to entry.

I wonder what the magic number is.

I'd say probably at least 100K. That would take an average of about 7 minutes or so for 1TH to generate each block.
Whoa there, remember I0Coin adjusts difficulty for every 5 minutes. A difficulty of 1 is fine, you'd solo just as much or even more because everyone else is in your situation.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nikolawm on August 16, 2011, 10:03:39 PM
Mmmm... I generated some block but they all disappiared! wtf?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 10:04:05 PM
To the lucky guys who already have I0C: I'm sure my block explorer disserve some of them ;)
If you also think so please send them there: jaLU1ExKRtEpUg2eHaZpZiFvN3DCqtuNL4


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 10:04:20 PM
Mmmm... I generated some block but they all disappiared! wtf?

What the fork?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nikolawm on August 16, 2011, 10:05:29 PM
Mmmm... I generated some block but they all disappiared! wtf?

What the fork?

I0coin of course


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: NielDLR on August 16, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
My client is still not connecting. I added rpcport=8332 to conf file and added my ip rpcallowip and the client is still not connecting.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.20)
Read post #33

Either I'm doing something colossally stupid, or something is wrong. I created an i0coin.conf in User->Appdate->Roaming->I0coin and has the lines rpcport=7332 in it. Still does not connect. Is there anything else to add to the conf file that I'm missing?

What is your command line for the miner?

Also, your i0coinc.conf needs to contain these lines (at least):

server=1
rpcuser=xxxx
rpcpassword=xxxx
rpcallowip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
rpcport=7332

Got it to work. For some reason I had all those parameters, but it just didn't want to connect. Oh well. At least I'm in! Yay. Thanks for the trouble though. Much appreciated


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 16, 2011, 10:08:23 PM
Whoa there, remember I0Coin adjusts difficulty for every 5 minutes. A difficulty of 1 is fine, you'd solo just as much or even more because everyone else is in your situation.

Does it? Last I read it retargets every 2 weeks or 2016 blocks, whichever is sooner.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
finally pulling in shares again, 5 i0c/share


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 10:10:29 PM
finally pulling in shares again, 5 i0c/share

Good for you never seen one accepted yet.

how much are you mining with?  i am at 1/2 gh/s


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 10:11:58 PM
Just wonky all around, separated chains, even with current chain I generated some blocks in phoenix miner but they don't show in my client.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 10:12:09 PM
has anyone got a phoenix share accepted at btcguild yet?



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 10:13:00 PM
mine are all poclbm

i doubt it matters though, for a good hour after i got my first block i did not see another share


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 10:14:19 PM
finally pulling in shares again, 5 i0c/share

Good for you never seen one accepted yet.

how much are you mining with?  i am at 1/2 gh/s

Only had four of my miners connected so roughly 1.1gh/s

weird, i would keep it running though, i think after 10k blocks we'll see it start to move a little better


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 10:16:23 PM
I got two phoenix shares accepted there.

on the new client... i get zero connections, left it up for ages.
had no problem with the test client.

deleted all the i0coin crap in app data before moving to the new client.

firewall is open..


any ideas?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 16, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
has anyone got a phoenix share accepted at btcguild yet?

Yes quite a few actually


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: TripHammer on August 16, 2011, 10:17:48 PM
I've got about 1,100MH pointed at i0Guild, but never get a share, they just won't keep connected, seems only 8 people can connect and hence get any shares...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 10:19:35 PM
Wow.. I never thought I'd say this, but it's actually much more profitable to mine Ixcoin at this point.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 10:19:47 PM
the bitcoin pioneers are watching and loughing their asses off. hello satoshi, thanks for all the lolz!  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 10:20:49 PM
Wait a few more hours until difficulty jumps and it should all work itself out.

If anything this has been amusing to watch unfold.....hehe.

Just forget about your greed for a few more hours.....go watch some porn and jerk off a few times...when you come back...all better!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mrbashfo on August 16, 2011, 10:21:10 PM
anyone on here wanna help me with my problem on one of my rigs -_- so I can get that on this !


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nikolawm on August 16, 2011, 10:21:15 PM
Just wonky all around, separated chains, even with current chain I generated some blocks in phoenix miner but they don't show in my client.

I generate in Guiminer and have the same problem. At first blocks shoing in i0coin client but disappier soon


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 16, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Wow guys, i never thought that more than one terahash will drop in i0coins, i had the idea of about ~50ghash or so. I started mining as soon as i published the client, and i got about 15 blocks, now i'm like all of you: trying to compete with +1thash  :'(

Difficulty is now at 16, let see how this progress.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
Wow guys, i never thought that more than one terahash will drop in i0coins, i had the idea of about ~50ghash or so. I started mining as soon as i published the client, and i got about 15 blocks, now i'm like all of you: trying to compete with +1thash  :'(

Difficulty is now at 16, let see how this progress.
why wasn't the difficulty made higher??


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
Yeah, this is working NOTHING like how the test pool was last night :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 10:23:36 PM
Wow guys, i never thought that more than one terahash will drop in i0coins, i had the idea of about ~50ghash or so. I started mining as soon as i published the client, and i got about 15 blocks, now i'm like all of you: trying to compete with +1thash  :'(

Difficulty is now at 16, let see how this progress.

Thanks for making this kr105, don't worry about all the bitching going on....people feeling like they are entitled to something.

If anything, it's just been fun to watch how it all transpires!



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 16, 2011, 10:24:07 PM
Confirmed Rewards   29669.89232442
*walks away whistling*


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 10:24:28 PM
Wow guys, i never thought that more than one terahash will drop in i0coins, i had the idea of about ~50ghash or so. I started mining as soon as i published the client, and i got about 15 blocks, now i'm like all of you: trying to compete with +1thash  :'(

Difficulty is now at 16, let see how this progress.
why wasn't the difficulty made higher??

Because it's fun to watch.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 10:25:06 PM
Confirmed Rewards   29669.89232442
*walks away whistling*

Confirmed Rewards    1579.84283621


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mrbashfo on August 16, 2011, 10:25:21 PM
Anyone getting lots of connection problems?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 16, 2011, 10:31:26 PM
Confirmed Rewards   29669.89232442
*walks away whistling*

Nice, you have 5 times hashrate but made off with 25 times number of coins. I guess low latency matters a lot.

Are you going solo now?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 16, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
also it is important to have that high hashrate all working combined so you have the solution often faster than everyone else. if you also have a fast connection you get all the goods....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 10:35:44 PM
Cant connect (or connect and get invalids) - waste of time atm imo


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: TripHammer on August 16, 2011, 10:37:54 PM
same here, just can't connect


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 10:39:53 PM
also it is important to have that high hashrate all working combined so you have the solution often faster than everyone else. if you also have a fast connection you get all the goods....


eh, i'm on 20mbps and i only got 65 i0c


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 10:40:39 PM
Yeah, best you just all disconnect and go back to mining BTC or IXC.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 16, 2011, 10:44:54 PM
Somebody wake up DoubleC... Time to get this exchange online!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roach III on August 16, 2011, 10:45:33 PM
Not a single good share here......guess being on satellite internet strikes again!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nikolawm on August 16, 2011, 10:48:01 PM
same here, just can't connect

same


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 10:49:45 PM
Yeah, best you just all disconnect and go back to mining BTC or IXC.

That's actually 100% atm.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Milkshanks on August 16, 2011, 10:50:55 PM
Isn't mining solo better in this i0coin situation?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 10:57:38 PM
Isn't mining solo better in this i0coin situation?

Should be but it isn't.  There are some high powered players in it right now and combined with i0 guild, it's almost impossible.  The chain underwent multiple separations since the start but now has settled what appears to be i0 guild chain version.  I lost a few thousand i0coins in the process, so to speak.


I'm still solo mining but I haven't hit any new valid blocks.  Ironically, my one and only block is from i0 guild in which my share is the entire block.  But I can't connect to them anymore so.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 10:59:17 PM
In other words, this is "normal" for solo mining?

[17/08/2011 00:57:50] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:57:50] New block (WorkQueue)
[17/08/2011 00:57:50] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:57:56] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:02] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:02] New block (WorkQueue)
[17/08/2011 00:58:02] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:10] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:12] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:14] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:14] New block (WorkQueue)
[17/08/2011 00:58:14] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:16] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:18] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:22] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:25] Result didn't meet full difficulty, not sending
[17/08/2011 00:58:26] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:26] New block (WorkQueue)
[17/08/2011 00:58:26] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:37] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[17/08/2011 00:58:37] New block (WorkQueue)       
[17/08/2011 00:58:37] Server gave new work; passing to WorkQueue
[362.35 Mhash/sec] [0 Accepted] [3 Rejected]


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 16, 2011, 11:00:12 PM
pretty much.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Milkshanks on August 16, 2011, 11:02:01 PM
Isn't mining solo better in this i0coin situation?

Should be but it isn't.  There are some high powered players in it right now and combined with i0 guild, it's almost impossible.  The chain underwent multiple separations since the start but now has settled what appears to be i0 guild chain version.  I lost a few thousand i0coins in the process, so to speak.


I'm still solo mining but I haven't hit any new valid blocks.  Ironically, my one and only block is from i0 guild in which my share is the entire block.  But I can't connect to them anymore so.

wow, I see... So this right now sounds like a complete waste of time. At least it's something better than rip-off ixCoin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 11:05:28 PM
Isn't mining solo better in this i0coin situation?

Should be but it isn't.  There are some high powered players in it right now and combined with i0 guild, it's almost impossible.  The chain underwent multiple separations since the start but now has settled what appears to be i0 guild chain version.  I lost a few thousand i0coins in the process, so to speak.


I'm still solo mining but I haven't hit any new valid blocks.  Ironically, my one and only block is from i0 guild in which my share is the entire block.  But I can't connect to them anymore so.

wow, I see... So this right now sounds like a complete waste of time. At least it's something better than rip-off ixCoin

It appears that there will be a few players in i0coin with a ton of coins. Not sure if that is how we define "decentralized".


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dyngnosis on August 16, 2011, 11:06:51 PM
5 blocks for me....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ahitman on August 16, 2011, 11:07:24 PM
Will manually adding nodes help reduce orphans? I have 8 connections, but even after adding addnode=69.42.216.172 (the ip that i0guild resolves to) and restarting, I still only have 8 connections. Is there some other nodes I can add?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: noobboon on August 16, 2011, 11:10:05 PM
Question.

For Solo mining. I use i0coind listtransactions command.
And I found I have 3 "48" I0coins found and in "orphan " category.

Is it mean I am successfully got 3 "48" coins?

And there is no change for the confirmation for a while.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tysat on August 16, 2011, 11:10:05 PM
Will manually adding nodes help reduce orphans?

Nope, won't do anything for orphans.... blocks are being generated too quickly right now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 11:11:03 PM
http://devcoinblockexplorer.dyndns.org/chain/I0coin?hi=15&count=20
Proof of no I0coin pregenerated


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tysat on August 16, 2011, 11:11:15 PM
Is it mean I am successfully got 3 "48" coins?

No, it means you get nothing because the blocks were orphaned.  Solo mining right now is pretty pointless.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:13:16 PM
new difficulty


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 16, 2011, 11:16:20 PM
difficulty 64


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: huayra.agera on August 16, 2011, 11:16:55 PM
So this is what is meant by I0Coin: "Zero" returns. :) Well, I guess I0Coin needs to mature a bit for us to really benefit. Or are we?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:17:24 PM
difficulty 64

so next difficulty is 256?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 16, 2011, 11:18:13 PM
Still 1 block every 3 seconds


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 11:18:34 PM
This is lame.  I'm solo mining now and got 1 "Accepted"... But it doesn't show up in my I0coin client :(  What gives?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:18:56 PM
Still 1 block every 3 seconds

ish, we'll see the next difficulty increase in about two hours at this rate

edit: stale rate is dropping on ioguild, i'm getting a share every 60s


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:21:15 PM
guys if you took your miners out you should maybe come back now


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Roach III on August 16, 2011, 11:21:45 PM
Oooo....2 shares completed! Woot!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 16, 2011, 11:21:46 PM
difficulty 64

so next difficulty is 256?

correct

rejects are dropping for me on i0guild as well



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 16, 2011, 11:22:13 PM
Solo mining right now is pretty pointless.
I'm off to bed now (it's late where I live). Do you recommend that I leave my rig in solo mining or pointed at i0guild?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:23:12 PM
Solo mining right now is pretty pointless.
I'm off to bed now (it's late where I live). Do you recommend that I leave my rig in solo mining or pointed at i0guild?

the stale rate is dropping for my, by 256 things should probably be nice


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Seraphim401 on August 16, 2011, 11:25:27 PM
 :'( Saw 3 blocks appear in my client and then disappear :'(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:26:24 PM
looks like i0guild just crashed or something, can't connect and hash rate is plummeting


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 16, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
Yep I'd say it died ... cgminer can't connect ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 16, 2011, 11:30:17 PM
Pool Speed: 0.00 GH/s now on i0Guild

and..

It's displaying this Message Now: When you're done with the I0coin ponzi scheme, try out BTC Guild - The 0% Fee BTC Pool


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 16, 2011, 11:31:08 PM
"When you're done with the I0coin ponzi scheme, try out BTC Guild - The 0% Fee BTC Pool"

lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ahitman on August 16, 2011, 11:34:40 PM
What are they talking about? Why wold they shut down the pool?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 11:35:09 PM
Pool Speed: 0.00 GH/s now on i0Guild

and..

It's displaying this Message Now: When you're done with the I0coin ponzi scheme, try out BTC Guild - The 0% Fee BTC Pool

Wow wat a f*cking assh*ole.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 11:35:32 PM
If you lemmings had solo mined from block 1, we'd all be better off.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: peterpiper on August 16, 2011, 11:37:51 PM
It probably just crashed...jesus you guys are quick for the kill!!!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 11:38:38 PM
I0 Guild temporarily offline - DDoS filter was triggered on port 8332.


My personal thanks to whomever is doing that.   8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

https://defensebaseactcomp.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/defensemedalphoto.jpeg?w=240&h=159


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dub0matic on August 16, 2011, 11:38:38 PM
I0 Guild temporarily offline - DDoS filter was triggered on port 8332


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
rofl, all those invalids


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 16, 2011, 11:40:15 PM
Pool Speed: 9.91 GH/s now :/


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 11:40:23 PM
I0 Guild temporarily offline - DDoS filter was triggered on port 8332

How about this "When you're done being a douche come meet me so I can give you some asskickingcoins for being a damn punk!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 16, 2011, 11:40:25 PM
lol my "Confirmed Rewards" just crashed back to 0 in i0 pool.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 16, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
we need more poools

where is the coinotron guy he is normally up on these things.. and what about poolmunity they arent dead yet and where is iopool.bitparking.coma nd why cant i sell these coins yet... now now now now now


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dub0matic on August 16, 2011, 11:41:51 PM
I0 Guild temporarily offline - DDoS filter was triggered on port 8332

How about this "When you're done being a douche come meet me so I can give you some asskickingcoins for being a damn punk!
lol cry much fggt


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 16, 2011, 11:42:37 PM
WoW! Up to 90.93 GH/s now!

^^that can't be right DDoS Filter is Obviously Not Working.. xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 11:43:07 PM
Please knock these guys offline whomever is doing it. For a decentralized currency we are f*ing centralizing it with this damn pool.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 11:44:21 PM
I0 Guild temporarily offline - DDoS filter was triggered on port 8332

How about this "When you're done being a douche come meet me so I can give you some asskickingcoins for being a damn punk!
lol cry much fggt

I got a bag of makeyouscreamlikeasissycoins for you!  :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 11:46:58 PM
Please knock these guys offline whomever is doing it. For a decentralized currency we are f*ing centralizing it with this damn pool.

Are you thick? The pool is sucking everyone out. If everyone were solo-mining, we'd all have a lot more coins. There's no need for pool at diff 4, or 64.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 11:47:59 PM
This new block chain has got to be the biggest POS ever.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 16, 2011, 11:49:31 PM
Please knock these guys offline whomever is doing it. For a decentralized currency we are f*ing centralizing it with this damn pool.

Are you thick? The pool is sucking everyone out. If everyone were solo-mining, we'd all have a lot more coins. There's no need for pool at diff 4, or 64.



I agree totally. Im not sure why everyone joined the damn pool then.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 16, 2011, 11:50:44 PM
got back on up to 52 accepts now :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 16, 2011, 11:51:06 PM
I agree totally. Im not sure why everyone joined the damn pool then.

I'm guessing it's because people could set it on auto-pilot and mine on the test pool while they were at work and then have it automatically switch to the live pool when the switch was turned on.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: foggyb on August 16, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
I agree totally. Im not sure why everyone joined the damn pool then.

I'm guessing it's because people could set it on auto-pilot and mine on the test pool while they were at work and then have it automatically switch to the live pool when the switch was turned on.

We all paid dearly for that convenience.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tx2000 on August 16, 2011, 11:55:53 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37579.0

Another i0 pool up from the guy at digbtc


Switch some power off whoever is pool mining.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 16, 2011, 11:57:15 PM
This new block chain has got to be the biggest POS ever.

^^


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 17, 2011, 12:07:50 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37579.0

Another i0 pool up from the guy at digbtc


Switch some power off whoever is pool mining.

thanks, only 50% stale rate at this pool


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 12:10:29 AM
switched pools too thanks :)

tacotime is right only %50 stales here :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Digigami on August 17, 2011, 12:14:09 AM
are there any exchanges live yet? Do we even know if people are willing to pay for these coins yet?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 12:16:55 AM
there is https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ (which appears to be down now xD)

you can trade bitcoins for i0coins there but I believe i0coins have no current USD/Euro/CAD value yet :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 17, 2011, 12:17:56 AM
are there any exchanges live yet? Do we even know if people are willing to pay for these coins yet?

probably similar to what people are paying for ixcoins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 12:20:23 AM
https://ixchange.bitparking.com/main is up though lots of people trading Bitcoins for iXCoins


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 12:32:24 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 12:34:53 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!

+1 Given the screw ups in launching the network.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 17, 2011, 12:36:10 AM
there will be another ixcoin fork soon enough lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 17, 2011, 12:37:38 AM
there will be another ixcoin fork soon enough lol.

yeah, but the more forks you make the less they'll have any chance of being worth anything... it's just like printing off more currency, the only thing that will be worth a damn in the end is btc.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nmat on August 17, 2011, 12:39:16 AM
there is https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ (which appears to be down now xD)

you can trade bitcoins for i0coins there but I believe i0coins have no current USD/Euro/CAD value yet :(

It's working here and there actually a lot of buy orders and no sell orders... wow. :o


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 17, 2011, 12:40:13 AM
the i0exchange is up


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 17, 2011, 12:42:57 AM
there is https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ (which appears to be down now xD)

you can trade bitcoins for i0coins there but I believe i0coins have no current USD/Euro/CAD value yet :(

It's working here and there actually a lot of buy orders and no sell orders... wow. :o

People can't get there i0c in yet: "The funds will be available when the block count has increased by 2,016 blocks since the deposit was made."


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Digigami on August 17, 2011, 12:43:16 AM
hmm.. very weird. that goes up, and now the ixcoin exchange is down??


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 17, 2011, 12:44:12 AM
there is https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ (which appears to be down now xD)

you can trade bitcoins for i0coins there but I believe i0coins have no current USD/Euro/CAD value yet :(

It's working here and there actually a lot of buy orders and no sell orders... wow. :o

can not deposit, it's generating ix chain addresses or something because it crashed my client


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 17, 2011, 12:46:40 AM
i had to gen 2 addies to get one to work

hasnt confirmed my coins yet.. but .. they are there.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: grndzero on August 17, 2011, 12:53:51 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!

+1 Given the screw ups in launching the network.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cry-baby.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 17, 2011, 12:55:20 AM
DoubleC, What is with the 2000 confirms to deposit?  Shouldn't 120 be PLENTY? If you are worried about a forked blockchain why not double it to 240???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 17, 2011, 12:58:56 AM
changed to 1008 to confirm now it seems


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 17, 2011, 01:01:08 AM
changed to 1008 to confirm now it seems
Still way too many... I understands what he is worried about but, if you can spend a found block in 120, why would he need more than that??? Wonder if he got burned on the ix exchange?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 01:03:06 AM

Nice picture of yourself =)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on August 17, 2011, 01:04:53 AM
changed to 1008 to confirm now it seems
Still way too many... I understands what he is worried about but, if you can spend a found block in 120, why would he need more than that??? Wonder if he got burned on the ix exchange?

I had over 1000 I0Coins that were deleted from my wallet balance (which requires 120 confirms to even make it to your wallet).  So it is possible where even 120 confirms isn't enough.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 17, 2011, 01:08:01 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!
It depends of you people, even if i release an i0coin client with a new chain you could continue using the old one, but i have no problem to create a new genesis block, tweak a few values and recompile :)

Meanwhile i will continue mining on i0.digibtc lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bitcool on August 17, 2011, 01:09:40 AM
Just curious, is there one place shows all variants of bitcoin forks?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 17, 2011, 01:10:48 AM
Just curious, is there one place shows all variants of bitcoin forks?
There's a thread, ALL IN CAPS in the Bitcoin discussion forum


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: grndzero on August 17, 2011, 01:11:45 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!
It depends of you people, even if i release an i0coin client with a new chain you could continue using the old one, but i have no problem to create a new genesis block, tweak a few values and recompile :)

Meanwhile i will continue mining on i0.digibtc lol

So i0coin2 launches in what? 24 hours? 48?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 17, 2011, 01:12:41 AM
I demand a rename

Welcome I1coin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Nesetalis on August 17, 2011, 01:15:24 AM
yes, i1coin! :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 17, 2011, 01:16:25 AM
difficulty: 8m


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 17, 2011, 01:18:16 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!
It depends of you people, even if i release an i0coin client with a new chain you could continue using the old one, but i have no problem to create a new genesis block, tweak a few values and recompile :)

Meanwhile i will continue mining on i0.digibtc lol

So i0coin2 launches in what? 24 hours? 48?
hehe its still an idea, if most of people here want a reset we can then set a relaunch date.

I demand a rename

Welcome I1coin
There they go the bucks of the domains to i0coin :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Nesetalis on August 17, 2011, 01:19:06 AM
aww, i'm sure people will donate if they want a name change bad enough :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 17, 2011, 01:19:26 AM
I DEMAND A RESET!
It depends of you people, even if i release an i0coin client with a new chain you could continue using the old one, but i have no problem to create a new genesis block, tweak a few values and recompile :)

Meanwhile i will continue mining on i0.digibtc lol

So i0coin2 launches in what? 24 hours? 48?
hehe its still an idea, if most of people here want a reset we can then set a relaunch date.

I demand a rename

Welcome I1coin
There they go the bucks of the domains to i0coin :(

no, way bad idea


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 17, 2011, 01:19:47 AM
changed to 1008 to confirm now it seems
Still way too many... I understands what he is worried about but, if you can spend a found block in 120, why would he need more than that??? Wonder if he got burned on the ix exchange?

I had over 1000 I0Coins that were deleted from my wallet balance (which requires 120 confirms to even make it to your wallet).  So it is possible where even 120 confirms isn't enough.
Should have spent them first!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Graet on August 17, 2011, 01:20:24 AM
what happened to the irc chanel? everyone got kicked while i was in bed. is there another?
did freenet close it coz of all the bots?
i just need to join for the lols


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 17, 2011, 01:21:31 AM
difficulty: 8m
You mean block 8k and difficulty 256?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 17, 2011, 01:22:12 AM
Difficulty of 256 now! So much for getting any coins into the exchange tonight.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Acejam on August 17, 2011, 01:29:53 AM
Is anyone else's Win64 client crashing for them in -server mode? I'm running i0coin.exe in -server mode and have my i0coin.conf setup correctly with the following:

rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=pass
rpcallowip=192.168.1.*
rpcport=7332
server=1

Every hour (or less) I notice that my miners return "Problem communicating with Bitcoin RPC". I'm 100% certain that I'm hitting the correct i0coin instance, since I've already managed to generate 4 confirmed blocks, and they are now in my wallet.

Killing i0coin.exe and then restarting it seems to fix the issue. Anyone reason as to why this might occur? Right now I have 14 connections, but I had ~52 connections earlier.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bitcool on August 17, 2011, 01:31:29 AM
Just curious, is there one place shows all variants of bitcoin forks?
There's a thread, ALL IN CAPS in the Bitcoin discussion forum
great find, thanks a lot.
so many forks, so little improvements... why are those people so unimaginative?
oh wait, maybe because they are ... copycats?  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 17, 2011, 01:32:15 AM
difficulty: 8m
You mean block 8k and difficulty 256?

no, make i1coin start at 8m so everyone at least has a chance.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Digigami on August 17, 2011, 01:37:27 AM
Is anyone else's Win64 client crashing for them in -server mode? I'm running i0coin.exe in -server mode and have my i0coin.conf setup correctly with the following:

rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=pass
rpcallowip=192.168.1.*
rpcport=7332
server=1

Every hour (or less) I notice that my miners return "Problem communicating with Bitcoin RPC". I'm 100% certain that I'm hitting the correct i0coin instance, since I've already managed to generate 4 confirmed blocks, and they are now in my wallet.

Killing i0coin.exe and then restarting it seems to fix the issue. Anyone reason as to why this might occur? Right now I have 14 connections, but I had ~52 connections earlier.

Not sure if it's related to your miners connection issues or not, but as far as the fewer outside connections, likely a large number of nodes are getting banned from IRC servers.. see here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37564.msg461616#msg461616



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gamer4156 on August 17, 2011, 01:39:58 AM
trading has started on the Io exchange


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 17, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
Is anyone else's Win64 client crashing for them in -server mode? I'm running i0coin.exe in -server mode and have my i0coin.conf setup correctly with the following:

rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=pass
rpcallowip=192.168.1.*
rpcport=7332
server=1

Every hour (or less) I notice that my miners return "Problem communicating with Bitcoin RPC". I'm 100% certain that I'm hitting the correct i0coin instance, since I've already managed to generate 4 confirmed blocks, and they are now in my wallet.

Killing i0coin.exe and then restarting it seems to fix the issue. Anyone reason as to why this might occur? Right now I have 14 connections, but I had ~52 connections earlier.

Having the exact same issue, although about every 20 mins.  Doesn't look like anything is wrong, but the i0coin client stops downloading blocks. Terminate the process and restart and it downloads 50 blocks real quick and starts accepting shares from my miners again.

Any help on this issue?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coinotron on August 17, 2011, 02:08:48 AM
Hi all

I've added I0coins to Coinotron.

Now you can mine for BTC, NMC, IXC or I0C

Please visit our pool.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 17, 2011, 02:40:14 AM
Just curious, is there one place shows all variants of bitcoin forks?
There's a thread, ALL IN CAPS in the Bitcoin discussion forum
great find, thanks a lot.
so many forks, so little improvements... why are those people so unimaginative?
oh wait, maybe because they are ... copycats?  ;)

yeah an ecrypted wallet.. who the hell wants that... totally lame.
and faster block times, so transactions go faster.. what kind of improvement is that? I like waiting for 1/2 for my money to get confirmed.
and address checks.. where is the fun in that.. it is much more fun to drunkenly send namecoins to someone bitcoin wallet.
why cant someone actually improve something important, like the color of the client or something like that. ::)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 17, 2011, 02:47:40 AM
Is anyone else's Win64 client crashing for them in -server mode? I'm running i0coin.exe in -server mode and have my i0coin.conf setup correctly with the following:

rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=pass
rpcallowip=192.168.1.*
rpcport=7332
server=1

Every hour (or less) I notice that my miners return "Problem communicating with Bitcoin RPC". I'm 100% certain that I'm hitting the correct i0coin instance, since I've already managed to generate 4 confirmed blocks, and they are now in my wallet.

Killing i0coin.exe and then restarting it seems to fix the issue. Anyone reason as to why this might occur? Right now I have 14 connections, but I had ~52 connections earlier.

Having the exact same issue, although about every 20 mins.  Doesn't look like anything is wrong, but the i0coin client stops downloading blocks. Terminate the process and restart and it downloads 50 blocks real quick and starts accepting shares from my miners again.

Any help on this issue?
I still cant connect... mined solo before.
got my i0coin.conf
same as above.. but a better user name and pass  :P
i0coin.exe -server client has all the blocks... and nothing.. sits there 'connecting' constantly.

netstat shows the port open and listening.

arggg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 17, 2011, 03:02:36 AM
Confirmed Rewards   29669.89232442
*walks away whistling*

So the post-mortem:
-Miners were instantly klined from IRC, and can't bootstrap to get other clients to connect to,
-Difficulty 20000 worth of miners try to use a difficulty 1 network with about 1000 block finds every second
-miner -> pool latency is major fail and still can't keep up with new blocks every few seconds.

Conclusion
The p2p network becomes completely useless. The miner with the most hashrate on their local i0coind makes the longest blockchain independently. When there are finally enough connections and a high enough difficulty that everybody can start to get blocks from each other's blockchain forks, the longest blockchain wins - the person who could independently get 600 blocks ahead of everybody else by block 3500, and wipe out everybody else's balance when it was announced.

The few miners with the fastest local hashrate can keep on adding generate wins to their own blockchain. Because of continued network fail they can get two transactions or more ahead of everybody without hitting the network, and the slow network with dozens of blocks a second just keeps toasting everybody else's block finds that are a block too late in their block find announce.

1ghash with 0 i0coins after 6 hours, kinda like i0=I got 0.

Early adopter hate now replaced with mega miner hate.

Kinda like this:
However, an attack vector if you are a huge pool that is ready to go - jump on after modding the release client to also ignore any chains except ones with a block 1 you just made, you could cause everyone else's work and coins to be discarded by overwhelming the solo miners with consecutive block solves and growing a longer chain than theirs.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 17, 2011, 03:09:36 AM
Just curious, is there one place shows all variants of bitcoin forks?
There's a thread, ALL IN CAPS in the Bitcoin discussion forum
great find, thanks a lot.
so many forks, so little improvements... why are those people so unimaginative?
oh wait, maybe because they are ... copycats?  ;)

yeah an ecrypted wallet.. who the hell wants that... totally lame.
and faster block times, so transactions go faster.. what kind of improvement is that? I like waiting for 1/2 for my money to get confirmed.
and address checks.. where is the fun in that.. it is much more fun to drunkenly send namecoins to someone bitcoin wallet.
why cant someone actually improve something important, like the color of the client or something like that. ::)
Just to make the things clear, i didn't write the code to encrypt the wallet. Let say that i just "enabled" it from the main repository, but yes, we are the first client to integrate that feature :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nafai on August 17, 2011, 03:11:49 AM
Quote
1ghash with 0 i0coins after 6 hours, kinda like i0=I got 0.

Early adopter hate now replaced with mega miner hate.

Mining on i0.btcguild.com the whole time with 670 mhash/s, I've earned about 140 i0c in 6.5 hours.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 17, 2011, 03:15:19 AM
i've mined over 100 at 320mh.. i'm a mini miner, and i have no hate.



and I fixed that solo thing.. who knew.. i forgot to try turning it off and on again.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: darnoth on August 17, 2011, 03:17:10 AM
Hi all

I've added I0coins to Coinotron.

Now you can mine for BTC, NMC, IXC or I0C

Please visit our pool.

Your pool is asking pretty weird.. It is sending several LP's per second, even when blocks are not being found.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CoinHunter on August 17, 2011, 03:31:35 AM
There's 1500BTC on the main I0coin exchange according to the owner and 250,000 I0coins, a BTC share of 0.006 per I0coin, quite amazing for such an early time in it's life.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tomatocage on August 17, 2011, 03:40:37 AM
There's 1500BTC on the main I0coin exchange according to the owner and 250,000 I0coins, a BTC share of 0.006 per I0coin, quite amazing for such an early time in it's life.

Are we looking at the same exchange?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Acejam on August 17, 2011, 03:42:29 AM
Is anyone else's Win64 client crashing for them in -server mode? I'm running i0coin.exe in -server mode and have my i0coin.conf setup correctly with the following:

rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=pass
rpcallowip=192.168.1.*
rpcport=7332
server=1

Every hour (or less) I notice that my miners return "Problem communicating with Bitcoin RPC". I'm 100% certain that I'm hitting the correct i0coin instance, since I've already managed to generate 4 confirmed blocks, and they are now in my wallet.

Killing i0coin.exe and then restarting it seems to fix the issue. Anyone reason as to why this might occur? Right now I have 14 connections, but I had ~52 connections earlier.

Having the exact same issue, although about every 20 mins.  Doesn't look like anything is wrong, but the i0coin client stops downloading blocks. Terminate the process and restart and it downloads 50 blocks real quick and starts accepting shares from my miners again.

Any help on this issue?

Update, I found a solution!

Previously, I had server=1 in my i0coin.conf file - AND I was starting i0coin.exe from the command line using i0coin.exe -server. Essentially, this was starting up (2) i0coin.exe processes in task manager. I either needed to remove server=1 from my config file and start using -server OR leave it in the config file and just start i0coin.exe by double clicking on it. (or just launching i0coin.exe with no arguments)

I chose to leave server=1 in my config file and I'm launching the i0coin.exe client by just double clicking on it now. It reads the config file on startup and automatically runs in server mode. I've generated 2 new blocks in the last 1.5 hours, so it seems to be stable so far. My guess is that previously I had 2 server processes running at the same time, causing a fight over the local block/wallet files. Another possibility is that they were fighting for that port/socket in Windows.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: shotgun on August 17, 2011, 03:56:56 AM
Some one want to tell me how I'm supposed to generate a wallet and payment address with I0coin when the Linux package doesn't include the freaking client? It has i0coind but no i0coin to connect and run commands.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tysat on August 17, 2011, 03:58:48 AM
Some one want to tell me how I'm supposed to generate a wallet and payment address with I0coin when the Linux package doesn't include the freaking client? It has i0coind but no i0coin to connect and run commands.

....i0coind is all you need.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CoinHunter on August 17, 2011, 03:59:26 AM
Are we looking at the same exchange?

I'm talking about the exchange here : https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/main

The owner is in IRC and told everyone what the deposited BTC and I0 was.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 17, 2011, 03:59:50 AM
Some one want to tell me how I'm supposed to generate a wallet and payment address with I0coin when the Linux package doesn't include the freaking client? It has i0coind but no i0coin to connect and run commands.
If you pool mine you can just send it straight to the exchange (in the above post) and trade it for BTC :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 17, 2011, 04:02:01 AM
The owner is in IRC and told everyone what the deposited BTC and I0 was.
I can confirm that I did this.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bcpokey on August 17, 2011, 04:06:40 AM
Although I understand the reasoning, the 500+ confirmation for deposits on the exchange is kind of a bother :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: shotgun on August 17, 2011, 04:07:11 AM
Some one want to tell me how I'm supposed to generate a wallet and payment address with I0coin when the Linux package doesn't include the freaking client? It has i0coind but no i0coin to connect and run commands.
If you pool mine you can just send it straight to the exchange (in the above post) and trade it for BTC :)

Perfect, that works. Thanks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 17, 2011, 04:25:40 AM
one thing to watch out for... the addys ioexchange create for deposit are one time use only.. so dont set up autopay


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 17, 2011, 04:26:50 AM
one thing to watch out for... the addys ioexchange create for deposit are one time use only.. so dont set up autopay
And they expire in 48 hours.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: TripHammer on August 17, 2011, 04:28:25 AM
Yer I found out the hard way, lost 30 i0coin that way, don't suppose there is anyway to get them back is there?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: simonk83 on August 17, 2011, 04:44:52 AM
Is anyone else's Win64 client crashing for them in -server mode? I'm running i0coin.exe in -server mode and have my i0coin.conf setup correctly with the following:

rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=pass
rpcallowip=192.168.1.*
rpcport=7332
server=1

Every hour (or less) I notice that my miners return "Problem communicating with Bitcoin RPC". I'm 100% certain that I'm hitting the correct i0coin instance, since I've already managed to generate 4 confirmed blocks, and they are now in my wallet.

Killing i0coin.exe and then restarting it seems to fix the issue. Anyone reason as to why this might occur? Right now I have 14 connections, but I had ~52 connections earlier.

Same problem, but running it without -server hasn't helped.  Just stops working after a while (and not long).  Seems very buggy.

I also have a send transaction that refuses to accrue confirmations.  It's not seen on bitparking's end either (and it normally appears immediately there, or at least it recognises how many coins are incoming).


Not a great success.  Back to BTC :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fitty on August 17, 2011, 04:50:02 AM
Although I understand the reasoning, the 500+ confirmation for deposits on the exchange is kind of a bother :(

It's down under 300 now. And that's like 7-8 minutes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: BitcoinBug on August 17, 2011, 04:58:18 AM
there will be another ixcoin fork soon enough lol.

yeah, but the more forks you make the less they'll have any chance of being worth anything... it's just like printing off more currency, the only thing that will be worth a damn in the end is btc.

Sure. But in the meantime it's pure entertainment :)
I'd love to see Thomas' face


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: noobboon on August 17, 2011, 05:07:46 AM
What is difficult now?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bitcool on August 17, 2011, 05:08:52 AM
yeah an ecrypted wallet.. who the hell wants that... totally lame.
something should have been done and being done on the bitcoin side long while ago, lame indeed.

and faster block times, so transactions go faster.. what kind of improvement is that? I like waiting for 1/2 for my money to get confirmed.
Not entirely convinced faster block generation equate faster confirmation, besides rapid growing block chain size will exacerbate  scalability issue.

and address checks.. where is the fun in that.. it is much more fun to drunkenly send namecoins to someone bitcoin wallet.
Creating a new fork without these 2 lines of code for checking address type is plain ... stupid.

why cant someone actually improve something important, like the color of the client or something like that. ::)
If that's the boundary of your imagination, I feel sorry for it. How about pruning and consolidating old blocks?  how about faster block download and verification? how about using blocks as an Internet time-keeping tool? how about making the hashing power more useful?  how about allowing transaction expiration to prevent lost coins?

Dare to dream, my friend. Dream.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EpicBacon on August 17, 2011, 05:09:07 AM
What is difficult now?

1024... i think.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: GoWest on August 17, 2011, 05:14:09 AM
Trading is already done here.  IXC traded between 0 and 0.01, so people already have in their minds that I0C has a value that straddles 0.005.  It will continue trading in a tight range around 0.005 until buyers get bored and it falls back to something really tiny.   Thanks for the 18 BTC, that was all I could squeeze out of this one.
 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 05:15:32 AM
Trading is already done here.  IXC traded between 0 and 0.01, so people already have in their minds that I0C has a value that straddles 0.005.  It will continue trading in a tight range around 0.005 until buyers get bored and it falls back to something really tiny.   Thanks for the 18 BTC, that was all I could squeeze out of this one.
 

Somehow I don't think this rally is over.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CoinHunter on August 17, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
Trading is already done here.  IXC traded between 0 and 0.01, so people already have in their minds that I0C has a value that straddles 0.005.  It will continue trading in a tight range around 0.005 until buyers get bored and it falls back to something really tiny.   Thanks for the 18 BTC, that was all I could squeeze out of this one.
 

Considering i0coins have 3 times the volume of Ixcoins at similar points in time and I0coins actually have some useful features over BTC, I think you're being a bit generous with straddling 0.005.

0.02 will likely be hit. But thanks anyhow for selling low. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: colossus on August 17, 2011, 05:19:45 AM
Trading is already done here.  IXC traded between 0 and 0.01, so people already have in their minds that I0C has a value that straddles 0.005.  It will continue trading in a tight range around 0.005 until buyers get bored and it falls back to something really tiny.   Thanks for the 18 BTC, that was all I could squeeze out of this one.
 

you assume this is like ixcoin which was a get btc quick scheme, with some 400+ ghash mining on I0guild i think people haven't even begun trading yet


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 17, 2011, 05:22:23 AM
you assume this is like ixcoin which was a get btc quick scheme, with some 400+ ghash mining on I0guild i think people haven't even begun trading yet

I'm still mining BTC as well as I0C. And frankly, I won't even be considering trading my I0C for weeks at the earliest. (And it'd be quite cool if I'm going to be able to spend it, instead of only trading it!!)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CoinHunter on August 17, 2011, 05:24:04 AM
you assume this is like ixcoin which was a get btc quick scheme, with some 400+ ghash mining on I0guild i think people haven't even begun trading yet

Indeed, many people are keeping an eye on I0coin because it has some features over BTC that make it interesting to mine and monitor the network. So from that perspective it's always going to have a base level of mining in it, unlike Ixcoins which was 100% aimed at profit.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: colossus on August 17, 2011, 05:33:41 AM
you assume this is like ixcoin which was a get btc quick scheme, with some 400+ ghash mining on I0guild i think people haven't even begun trading yet

Indeed, many people are keeping an eye on I0coin because it has some features over BTC that make it interesting to mine and monitor the network. So from that perspective it's always going to have a base level of mining in it, unlike Ixcoins which was 100% aimed at profit.

aye aye quite right, what i would like to see now is an exchange from I0coin to cash to make this on par with BTC, any crypto currency without this feature will always be a subset of the one that does.

Dont have enough i0coins (thanks pool) to offer a large bounty but sure would like to see that perhaps a donation of 100 i0coins?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bcpokey on August 17, 2011, 05:52:54 AM
Although I understand the reasoning, the 500+ confirmation for deposits on the exchange is kind of a bother :(

It's down under 300 now. And that's like 7-8 minutes.

It's currently 252 confirmations, there are roughly 200 blocks / 30minutes, so ~37.5minutes. I guess it's not unreasonable, but sucks to miss out on a big rally heh.

Anywho, people are odd, I can't predict the future but currently I0Coin is far more profitable than bitcoin, IXCoin far less, yet people still seem to think differently.

We'll see where each goes I guess.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 17, 2011, 06:07:38 AM
What is difficult now?

1024... i think.

Hmm, isn't there a 4x maximum increase?
If there is, after 5-6000 blocks I think it can be between 64 and 256...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 06:27:23 AM
lol everyone is i0Coin Mining so there hasn't been a new bitcoin block found for over 3 hours lulz XD


Number? Hash?             Time?                         Transactions? Total BTC?           Size    (kB)?
141297   3b648ef2da...  2011-08-17 05:59:10  31                 1343.45306413          17.151


I have to actually verify my own transactions so they'll confirm LOL xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 17, 2011, 06:30:31 AM
Hmm, isn't there a 4x maximum increase?
If there is, after 5-6000 blocks I think it can be between 64 and 256...

0 - 2015 -> Difficulty 1
2016 - 4031 -> Difficulty 4
4032 - 6047 -> Difficulty 16
6048 - 8063 -> Difficulty 64
8064 - 10079 -> Difficulty 256
10080 - 12095 -> Difficulty 1024
12096 - 14111 -> Difficulty 4096
14112 - 16127 -> Difficulty 16384
16128 - 18143 -> Difficulty 65536
18144 - 20159 -> Difficulty 262144

Enjoy. Of course, this assumes the hash rate stays so high that the rate is going to jump by the maximum 4x every 2,016 blocks. As we get to 262,144, that may not be true.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 17, 2011, 06:33:40 AM
Yer I found out the hard way, lost 30 i0coin that way, don't suppose there is anyway to get them back is there?


probably, maybe.. probably.

write doublec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 06:35:27 AM
woot complaining about the bitcoin block completitions worked!

Thanks Dudes/Dudettes!

Woot succesfully traded i0Coins for Bitcoins :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Kartoff on August 17, 2011, 06:51:46 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lodcrappo on August 17, 2011, 06:56:39 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???

you're doing it wrong


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 17, 2011, 07:09:35 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???

2.9 Ghash/s, 1500 coins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Kartoff on August 17, 2011, 07:12:32 AM
No i did it as it said in pool... But pool reconnect me all the time ?!?!?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 07:15:53 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???

2.9 Ghash/s, 1500 coins.

something is very fucked about this. I have lost a nights sleep and only just caught up today. Still got less than 90 coins and I have about 800mhash.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 07:17:05 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???

you're doing it wrong
Yeah when you mine with the virtual axe-pick don't use the handle to hit the virtual rocks. Turn it around. There ya go.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 17, 2011, 07:17:32 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???

2.9 Ghash/s, 1500 coins.

something is very fucked about this. I have lost a nights sleep and only just caught up today. Still got less than 90 coins and I have about 800mhash.

wow..

scam?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 07:25:23 AM
worker3(97.50%)   STALES
worker1 (46.66%)   
worker2(45.04%)

FML


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 07:36:18 AM
This i0coins are F...... SHIT mined them in i0.bitparking.com in last 10 hours with 14 GH/s and got only around 100 coins  ???

2.9 Ghash/s, 1500 coins.

something is very fucked about this. I have lost a nights sleep and only just caught up today. Still got less than 90 coins and I have about 800mhash.

wow..

scam?

Undoubtably... At this rate i've earned about as much for my time as a nike factory worker earns in a week.

Its improving slightly.. at this rate i'll have a total of 100 coins soon though. I called my friend last night to tell him about this and he told me he had sold his BTC for $7 and he thought they were still falling. Man if I had of known he was selling I would have bought his BTC... would have come in really handy around these times.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 07:55:40 AM
ya I agree you are doing it wrong.. I've got over 100 i0coins from a ghetto 120 Megahash/sec box xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 07:58:03 AM
mine i0Coins on http://i0.DigBTC.net man every other pool has failed for me except that one insant payments too fuckin awesome :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 07:58:57 AM
ya I agree you are doing it wrong.. I've got over 100 i0coins from a ghetto 120 Megahash/sec box xD

Well whats your secret?

Maybe my latency is screwed. My landline died a week ago and they fixed it but I'm getting ~22ms between me and my ISP I guess that's not helping.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 07:59:50 AM
you said you were gettin disconnects constantly right? I don't think you are keeping a connection? packet loss maybe?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 08:00:58 AM
mine i0Coins on http://i0.DigBTC.net man every other pool has failed for me except that one insant payments too fuckin awesome :)

i've got 2 miners on that and one on bitparking..

the miner on bitparking was giving me 100% stales even on digBTC...

BTC guild maybe gave me 9 coins in 10 hours with 800mhash


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:03:20 AM
Holy shit man something is fucked about that I got 9 coins in like an hour on an 120 megahash box xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 08:05:03 AM
Holy shit man something is fucked about that I got 9 coins in like an hour on an 120 megahash box xD

I'm not getting packet loss ... but I live in Australia... maybe I'm to far away from most of the miners and I get in last


I'm only getting 30% stales now on digiBTC

still getting heaps of Longpolls new blocks though e.g. constantly:

 Using new LP URL /LP
i0.digbtc.net:8332 17/08/2011 16:02:41, LP connected to i0.digbtc.net:8332


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:08:18 AM
you should be making way more i0Coins then you are in 9 hours you shoulda made easily 200 at 800 megahash especially when the difficulty was 1 my other mining box at roughly the same speed 800-900 megahash on a seperate i0Coin wallet made about 500 i0Coins today and that number is still going up and if I wasn't gettin %75 stales I imagine it would be around 1000 xD (stales are gonna be crazy high until the difficulty peaks)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 08:09:25 AM
you should be making way more i0Coins then you are in 9 hours you shoulda made easily 200 at 800 megahash especially when the difficulty was 1 my other mining box at roughly the same speed 800-900 megahash on a seperate i0Coin wallet made about 500 i0Coins today and that number is still going up and if I wasn't gettin %75 stales I imagine it would be around 1000 xD (stales are gonna be crazy high until the difficulty peaks)

I think I was getting over 99% stales for the first 8 hours or so.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:10:20 AM
ya block generation is crazy high if you were up at 12 AM today you'd see the blocks coming in at just about 400 a second xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:11:57 AM
It's actually just slowed down now might be a reason why you arn't generating as much now believe the difficulty is doubling every hour or so? (please correct me if I'm wrong xD)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:13:46 AM
Nevermind! I stand corrected! Just checked my balance I have another 11 i0coin xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 08:19:29 AM
Nevermind! I stand corrected! Just checked my balance I have another 11 i0coin xD

1024.00000000


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:21:38 AM
You get a payout?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:22:16 AM
or do you mean the current difficulty is 1024? It's not higher? shit 1024 still lol?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 08:29:50 AM
or do you mean the current difficulty is 1024? It's not higher? shit 1024 still lol?

Yeah, I still only have about 110 coins so  I won't be getting rich anytime soon. Actually this is probably the end of mining for me unless I go co lo or something because I now realise that I always get more stales than most people but I just shrugged it off but this really highlights the futility of it all. I already pay one of the highest electricity prices in the western world.

I'll maybe mine until I go to bed tonight though.

Even bitparking has only netted me 2 coins so far with 300/mhash in the last hour.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
you sure your GPUs arn't dying out on you if you are gettin a shit ton of stales on bitcoin mining , ixcoin mining , namecoin mining and i0coin mining chances are your video card(s) are giving out on you usually called by really bad silicon..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 08:51:21 AM
could have popped a few transistors too which can REALLY hoop your card :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 08:55:13 AM
I just rang my ISP to change my profile but it isn't making any difference to my ping arghh ):


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 09:04:56 AM
try ifconfig -flushdns (Linux)
or ipconfig /flushdns (Windows)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 09:18:57 AM
try ifconfig -flushdns (Linux)
or ipconfig /flushdns (Windows)

I think I need to do /etc/init.d/networking restart to to do that. Can't even find nscd. I'm not feeling like restarting my network stack at the moment. I could always call back my ISP and get a guy that is a bit more knowledgeable but I know how much of a pain it is when people call up wanting help with bittorrent etc. I was like no dude my ping latency between me and the ISP is higher than it was in the past. I'm not trying to get you to improve the latency of the international link.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
no you shouldn't need to redo your networking stack or edit anything in your init.d you simply want a new dns ie why I was saying to flush your old one xD

and you shouldn't need to restart your networking stack or init.d I've never had to to change the dns xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 17, 2011, 09:32:39 AM
Guys this has nothing to do with your GPUs or whatever, it's this way due to the crazy low difficulty rate and the insane amount of hashing power poured into this fork early on. In other words the block generation time is so low that you can't get a valid share in. Once difficulty rises a bit you will see fewer stale shares.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on August 17, 2011, 09:35:05 AM
that still doesn't answer the question why he's just hitting 100 i0coins after 9 hours and I hit 100 i0coins in an hour at half the hashrate xD

why would someone of much lower hashrate be ABLE to get shares in and someone with much higher hashrate NOT BE ABLE TO get shares in? xD

plus.. even with %75 stales the whole time mining I've still made 5 times what he's made and it should be the complete opposite he should make 50-100 times MORE then me..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2011, 09:41:26 AM

It would be great to have a i0coin<>ixcoin exchange. DoubleC ?  ;)


Good idea. Could you also create rikurrCoin <-> i0Coin exchange? I've got some coins to dump.

I could create an rikurrCoin --> toilet exchange for all your dumping needs? :D


This made me laugh so hard! hahaha I gotta take a dump!

 :D


The currency backed by toilet paper.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Spacy on August 17, 2011, 10:04:14 AM
that still doesn't answer the question why he's just hitting 100 i0coins after 9 hours and I hit 100 i0coins in an hour at half the hashrate xD

why would someone of much lower hashrate be ABLE to get shares in and someone with much higher hashrate NOT BE ABLE TO get shares in? xD

plus.. even with %75 stales the whole time mining I've still made 5 times what he's made and it should be the complete opposite he should make 50-100 times MORE then me..

Revenue = HashingPower * MiningSkills ;-)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 17, 2011, 10:14:33 AM
I'm now testing with CGminer and poclbm.
Seems to be a big difference in stales.

Results in 15 minutes!

Update!
CGMiner has 13% stales vs poclbm with 21% stales!

We have a winner!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Detritus on August 17, 2011, 10:24:33 AM

If that's the boundary of your imagination, I feel sorry for it. How about pruning and consolidating old blocks?  how about faster block download and verification? how about using blocks as an Internet time-keeping tool? how about making the hashing power more useful?  how about allowing transaction expiration to prevent lost coins?

Dare to dream, my friend. Dream.


You need to run right right over to K-mart and by a new sarcasm detector. Yours is broken.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: simonk83 on August 17, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Detritus on August 17, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?

Sounds like they were sent to an invalid receiving address.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Clipse on August 17, 2011, 11:09:26 AM
I'm now testing with CGminer and poclbm.
Seems to be a big difference in stales.

Results in 15 minutes!

Update!
CGMiner has 13% stales vs poclbm with 21% stales!

We have a winner!

And the reason is, different difficulty levels.

We are now at diff 4096 and I bet my tophat you did a test with poclbm on diff 1024.

Im running poclbm and right now on diff 4096 Im getting ~7% stales


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: simonk83 on August 17, 2011, 11:12:49 AM
Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?

Sounds like they were sent to an invalid receiving address.


Yeah, but it matches exactly what's on the bitparking page.  Just copied and pasted it anyway.


Aaaaand, as soon as I type that and refresh the bitparking page, it shows the incoming coins.  Super weird.  I did this transaction 9 hours ago and have refreshed that page heaps of times.

Whatever.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Detritus on August 17, 2011, 11:17:48 AM

Yeah, but it matches exactly what's on the bitparking page.  Just copied and pasted it anyway.


Aaaaand, as soon as I type that and refresh the bitparking page, it shows the incoming coins.  Super weird.  I did this transaction 9 hours ago and have refreshed that page heaps of times.


Well I guess that rules out an invalid address. The really isn't a lot more you can do except wait, or get doublec to go look through the logs on his end and see what he's seeing.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 17, 2011, 12:09:15 PM
Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.

How is this different, this is how it's been


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 12:28:30 PM
Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.

How is this different, this is how it's been

Doesn't the regular bitcoind start in server mode?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 17, 2011, 12:36:38 PM
Orphans, Stales, Rejects, etc
Everyone hates them and some people want to make up an excuse why they get them.
... and when a new block-chain starts, they of course sky-rocket.

If someone swapped a flag and thus got more people to pool instead of solo and wanted that - well they were smart weren't they :)

Otherwise - yeah understand what an orphan is and why it happens - during the early stages of a new block-chain they will occur regularly

Hmm how many pooled block single share orphens was I marked against ... checks ... 50 in the first 90 minutes ... I think I actually got and lost 5 or 6 of the orphens - oh well that's the way it is, that's part of the security of how it works - and btw my mining rig is only 710Mh/s - not very big ... but I did successfully get 6 non-orphened single share blocks in the first 90 minutes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 12:39:47 PM
Orphans, Stales, Rejects, etc
Everyone hates them and some people want to make up an excuse why they get them.
... and when a new block-chain starts, they of course sky-rocket.

If someone swapped a flag and thus got more people to pool instead of solo and wanted that - well they were smart weren't they :)

Otherwise - yeah understand what an orphan is and why it happens - during the early stages of a new block-chain they will occur regularly

Hmm how many pooled block single share orphens was I marked against ... checks ... 50 in the first 90 minutes ... I think I actually got and lost 5 or 6 of the orphens - oh well that's the way it is, that's part of the security of how it works - and btw my mining rig is only 710Mh/s - not very big ... but I did successfully get 6 non-orphened single share blocks in the first 90 minutes.

Yes, I am hoping someone will answer my question: If solo miners that were mining I0coind didn't have the server mode switch would they have lost any blocks they mined during that time?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 17, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
How can you do work requests to a server that isn't a server?

You think someone actually modified the server code to stop it from submitting blocks to the network?
Well if they did, yeah I guess you'd be unhappy about it ... but I seriously doubt someone did that.
When taken in context it sounds exactly like someone trying to blame their orphens on something other than the fact that they are expected.

Again, orphens ran rampant during the early stages I even saw some of those 6 I lost disappear when the network corrected them - that's how it works and it happens with solo and pool mining of course.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 17, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
How can you do work requests to a server that isn't a server?

You think someone actually modified the server code to stop it from submitting blocks to the network?
Well if they did, yeah I guess you'd be unhappy about it ... but I seriously doubt someone did that.
When taken in context it sounds exactly like someone trying to blame their orphens on something other than the fact that they are expected.

Again, orphens ran rampant during the early stages I even saw some of those 6 I lost disappear when the network corrected them - that's how it works and it happens with solo and pool mining of course.

Well some versions of the code you type in ./bitcoind it starts the daemon and you then get a command prompt below it where you can type things such as ./bitcoind getinfo on this configuration you have to open
another terminal and type ./bitcoind getinfo (or in this case ./i0coind getinfo )  The problem is that people were still able to start poclbm with the username and password in the i0coin.conf file but it would be unable to write to the wallet as the directory would have been in use by the iocoind running in non-server mode. Therefore people were wondering why the hell they were not  getting the blocks they had mined and in fact it looks like they may have lost them completely. I hope there is a way for these people to recover them. I myself believe I mined a few blocks in this situation. They have simple becomes orphans and I may have lost them anyway but I was not running the i0coind in server mode so it appears that I may have lost those blocks simply for that reason. If it was just me then tough luck but if it turns out that many hundreds of people lost entire blocks due to this this is quite a serious issue.

Additionally people were unsure which port to specify in the i0coin.conf leading many to be forced to mine through pools further undermining the open and p2p nature of the currency.


The whole purpose of opening this up and having an official launch  to give as many people as possible a chance to take part in this new block chain has unfortunately been side stepped in some cases by technical errors and unfriendly default configurations and in other cases may have been manipulated by blatant financial gain leaving the rest of us with feeling short changed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 17, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Doesn't the regular bitcoind start in server mode?
No.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: GoWest on August 17, 2011, 01:35:30 PM
Trading is already done here.  IXC traded between 0 and 0.01, so people already have in their minds that I0C has a value that straddles 0.005.  It will continue trading in a tight range around 0.005 until buyers get bored and it falls back to something really tiny.   Thanks for the 18 BTC, that was all I could squeeze out of this one.
 

Considering i0coins have 3 times the volume of Ixcoins at similar points in time and I0coins actually have some useful features over BTC, I think you're being a bit generous with straddling 0.005.

0.02 will likely be hit. But thanks anyhow for selling low. :)

Still sure about that?  The price hasn't budged.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 17, 2011, 01:41:36 PM
Firstly, in case there's a misunderstanding ... the (blocks and) coins you get are in the block-chain.
The wallet is not actually like a normal wallet that contains the actual items of value, it contains the keys that give you access to the items of value in the block-chain.

Secondly, the miner requests work from the server (or pool) and that contains the address (key) that is placed in the block and makes up part of the data that is hashed and tested to see if you win it.
(so also you can't steal a successful block hash and give it to another address (key) - the address (key) is part of it)

Now, if the server code can actually generate a new key, not write it in the wallet and then also pass that key out as a work request, then you could lose a block, but again, I doubt the code is that stupid ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xephan on August 17, 2011, 01:43:54 PM
Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

I've not done solo mining on Bitcoin since I'm late to the party. But for the rest, I always had to start xxxcoind with the -server flag for solo mining. No difference with i0coin except there is too much hash power going into it from the start. Especially with a single pool having what appears to be way more than 50% of the hashrate, it makes absolutely no point to mine solo. Any blocks you get in, will most likely be erased when the pool solve that block before your block reaches their daemon. With multiple blocks per seconds in the beginning, it is almost guaranteed to do so.





Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 17, 2011, 01:59:49 PM
Doesn't the regular bitcoind start in server mode?
No.
Yes, it does. All 'server' mode does is enable the JSON-RPC interface. This is automatically done in the programs ending with 'd'.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 17, 2011, 02:11:22 PM
typing bitcoind would start up bitcoin but not return me to the command prompt, bitcoind -server starts up bitcoin and then drops me back to the prompt.
What platform? 'bitcoind' runs in server mode even if it doesn't return you to the command prompt. The JSON-RPC server is still running. You'd add '-daemon' or 'daemon=1' in the .conf file to get the behaviour to fork itself in the background (on linux anyway).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 17, 2011, 02:36:28 PM
Doesn't the regular bitcoind start in server mode?
No.
Yes, it does. All 'server' mode does is enable the JSON-RPC interface. This is automatically done in the programs ending with 'd'.
My mistake. I thought he said bitcoin, not bitcoind.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on August 17, 2011, 03:08:48 PM
Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.

Are you sure you just did not put server=1 in your config file for bitcoins and namecoins and not i0coin?

Also, you can't solo mine without a server running, as it would have nothing to get the work from.


Also, since this is a decentralized system, just how do you propose to do a reset?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on August 17, 2011, 03:12:36 PM


Well some versions of the code you type in ./bitcoind it starts the daemon and you then get a command prompt below it where you can type things such as ./bitcoind getinfo on this configuration you have to open
another terminal and type ./bitcoind getinfo (or in this case ./i0coind getinfo )  The problem is that people were still able to start poclbm with the username and password in the i0coin.conf file but it would be unable to write to the wallet as the directory would have been in use by the iocoind running in non-server mode. Therefore people were wondering why the hell they were not  getting the blocks they had mined and in fact it looks like they may have lost them completely. I hope there is a way for these people to recover them. I myself believe I mined a few blocks in this situation. They have simple becomes orphans and I may have lost them anyway but I was not running the i0coind in server mode so it appears that I may have lost those blocks simply for that reason. If it was just me then tough luck but if it turns out that many hundreds of people lost entire blocks due to this this is quite a serious issue.

poclbm does not write to the wallet....    if a server is not running,  it can not mine.

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Additionally people were unsure which port to specify in the i0coin.conf leading many to be forced to mine through pools further undermining the open and p2p nature of the currency.

Or they could have added the port # to the config file. Whatever they put would be what would then have worked for them.


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The whole purpose of opening this up and having an official launch  to give as many people as possible a chance to take part in this new block chain has unfortunately been side stepped in some cases by technical errors and unfriendly default configurations and in other cases may have been manipulated by blatant financial gain leaving the rest of us with feeling short changed.

I don't think official launches will work unless the hash is also changed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PcChip on August 17, 2011, 04:05:42 PM
Has anyone seen this in regards to how this client works a bit differently to the others such as bitcoin and namecoin?


You need to specify server or put server=1 in the i0coin.conf file
http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=10.0

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why so many people went in the pool instead of sticking to solo for the low difficulty settings

As well that some people may have lost blocks because of this.

I was solo mining with poclbm but didn't have the -server mode set and I do remember getting a couple of blocks that never came. I assumeed they may have been orphaned later but now I wonder.

Technocrat said:
"I found 2 blocks without having server=1 in my bitcoin.conf file.
They did not show up in the client.
Can these be recovered?"

If this turns out to affect a lot of people and the coins can't be recovered it could be as good a case as any for a reset.


I'm the one that created that post.  My problem was I didn't know you could use i0coin.exe with a -server switch, I was used to the bitcoin/namecoin with the 'D' at the end being the daemon that you could simply run (namecoind.exe) and then open a new command window and run commands against it.  With i0coind.exe it actually tried to launch a new process instead of running commands against the daemon.

The guy that posted below me helped me fix the problem by me running i0coin.exe -server ,  I didn't know the gui client had a -server mode.  (Makes me wonder WTF the i0coin daemon exe is for)

However to answer your question, if someone ran it incorrectly, their solo miners would never have connected at all - they wouldn't have somehow magically connected but lost all the blocks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: nafai on August 17, 2011, 05:18:40 PM
I really like the changes with i0coin, faster target block solve time, wallet encryption, etc.  But I'm a little concerned that it will still suffer from difficulty yoyo-ing like namecoin does.  I know it's set that it adjusts every 7 days in addition to after a certain number of blocks, but I don't think that will solve the problem.  The biggest problem is that as far as I know the blockchain can still only adjust up or down 4x (or 1/4x) per adjustment. So if after the fad wears off 95% of miners give up, it will still take 3 weeks for the difficulty to adjust to where it should be.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: enmaku on August 17, 2011, 05:22:26 PM
I really like the changes with i0coin, faster target block solve time, wallet encryption, etc.  But I'm a little concerned that it will still suffer from difficulty yoyo-ing like namecoin does.  I know it's set that it adjusts every 7 days in addition to after a certain number of blocks, but I don't think that will solve the problem.  The biggest problem is that as far as I know the blockchain can still only adjust up or down 4x (or 1/4x) per adjustment. So if after the fad wears off 95% of miners give up, it will still take 3 weeks for the difficulty to adjust to where it should be.


How about a completely time-based difficulty adjustment with a much smaller range and a comparatively smaller adjustment scope. Perhaps a daily difficulty adjustment by a maximum factor of 0.5 instead of 4?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dayfall on August 17, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
How about a completely time-based difficulty adjustment with a much smaller range and a comparatively smaller adjustment scope. Perhaps a daily difficulty adjustment by a maximum factor of 0.5 instead of 4?

I pledge 2BTC to whoever makes an i0coin fork with this implemented.  (and has a much higher starting difficulty)  Heck, if this were done right then the countdown for people to start mining would be automatic!  Everyone would just wait and start mining when the difficulty was low enough.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 17, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
so is doubleC just sitting on all our deposited i0coins or is i0exchange going down just the final fail in the coffin for i0coin?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: shotgun on August 17, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
so is doubleC just sitting on all our deposited i0coins or is i0exchange going down just the final fail in the coffin for i0coin?

bitparking still works.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: shotgun on August 17, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
so is doubleC just sitting on all our deposited i0coins or is i0exchange going down just the final fail in the coffin for i0coin?

bitparking still works. edit: no, it's not loading again.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 17, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
Well, I already sold all my i0coin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: afro25 on August 17, 2011, 07:37:26 PM
1. Deposit 50 BTC into i0exchange
2. Purchase I0C
3. ???
4. "The connection has timed out - The server at i0exchange.bitparking.com is taking too long to respond."


FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pbj sammich on August 17, 2011, 07:41:51 PM
DoubleC doesn't appear to be on atm

It's probably that i0coind crapped out and he is away



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: xtoro on August 17, 2011, 07:55:23 PM
So am I not the only one that can't solo mine?  I'm running the windows client, and both i0coind and i0coin -server seem to work, and the miners are busy hashing away, however, the client reports a hashrate of 0(zero)....  That and, I tried the solo for the better part of the day and got nothing...

 ???


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 17, 2011, 07:58:39 PM
So am I not the only one that can't solo mine?  I'm running the windows client, and both i0coind and i0coin -server seem to work, and the miners are busy hashing away, however, the client reports a hashrate of 0(zero)....  That and, I tried the solo for the better part of the day and got nothing...

 ???

difficulty has gone up quite a bit. maybe try pooled mining, but i'm not sure it's even more profitable vs bitcoin at this point.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 17, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
1. Deposit 50 BTC into i0exchange
2. Purchase I0C
3. ???
4. "The connection has timed out - The server at i0exchange.bitparking.com is taking too long to respond."


FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wtf are you going to do with 50 BTC worth of I0C? You buying the whole market?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 08:19:00 PM
1. Deposit 50 BTC into i0exchange
2. Purchase I0C
3. ???
4. "The connection has timed out - The server at i0exchange.bitparking.com is taking too long to respond."


FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wtf are you going to do with 50 BTC worth of I0C? You buying the whole market?

50 BTC at 0.0023btc/i0c = 21739 i0c. Hardly the entire market.

But then again I did purchase quite a few myself.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 17, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
ok, but it's probably 21739 more than will ever be useful...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: xtoro on August 17, 2011, 08:23:37 PM
So am I not the only one that can't solo mine?  I'm running the windows client, and both i0coind and i0coin -server seem to work, and the miners are busy hashing away, however, the client reports a hashrate of 0(zero)....  That and, I tried the solo for the better part of the day and got nothing...

 ???

difficulty has gone up quite a bit. maybe try pooled mining, but i'm not sure it's even more profitable vs bitcoin at this point.

Yeah but my concern is that the client (i0coin.exe) is reporting hashrate : 0 when I do a "getinfo" request on it...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 08:23:45 PM
ok, but it's probably 21739 more than will ever be useful...

Guess you can see the future. Hey help me trade on the exchange, I bet with your foresight you can help me make a fortune. LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: hawks5999 on August 17, 2011, 08:39:42 PM
But then again I did purchase quite a few myself.

I bet with your foresight you can help me make a fortune. LOL

Hmmm... doubt it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 17, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
But then again I did purchase quite a few myself.

I bet with your foresight you can help me make a fortune. LOL

Hmmm... doubt it.

Then im not sure why you would make such comments.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: btc-e.com on August 17, 2011, 09:06:41 PM
I0C\BTC trades live now at https://btc-e.com/ (https://btc-e.com/)

0.1% fee


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: m3ta on August 17, 2011, 09:32:20 PM
I0C\BTC trades live now at https://btc-e.com/ (https://btc-e.com/)

*curious*

*click*

*change language to english*

*read*

"blah blah.. order's"???
"blah.. Trades are automatically."
"... ammount..."

*tab closed, no time to waste on illiterates*



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 17, 2011, 09:40:39 PM
*read*

"blah blah.. order's"???
"blah.. Trades are automatically."
"... ammount..."

*tab closed, no time to waste on illiterates*

So you're an unintelligent American who thinks everyone on the whole planet should speak your dialect of English with the skill of a Harvard professor. Wow, I'm so impressed.

With what an arrogant moron you are for publicly belittling another country's residents for making an attempt to include you.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bcpokey on August 17, 2011, 09:46:00 PM
*read*

"blah blah.. order's"???
"blah.. Trades are automatically."
"... ammount..."

*tab closed, no time to waste on illiterates*

So you're an unintelligent American who thinks everyone on the whole planet should speak your dialect of English with the skill of a Harvard professor. Wow, I'm so impressed.

With what an arrogant moron you are for publicly belittling another country's residents for making an attempt to include you.

On the one hand you have a point that the poster was being rude, though being rude in doing so is hardly a compelling approach. On the other hand, if you are running a business with little credibility to back you up, to handle other peoples money, and you want to look professional, it is not necessarily a bad idea to present the most polished front possible, which in order to inspire confidence to use your service, which I think the person you were responding to was trying to point out.

Just sayin, though I respect peoples efforts.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 17, 2011, 09:49:33 PM
On the one hand you have a point that the poster was being rude, though being rude in doing so is hardly a compelling approach. On the other hand, if you are running a business with little credibility to back you up, to handle other peoples money, and you want to look professional, it is not necessarily a bad idea to present the most polished front possible, which in order to inspire confidence to use your service, which I think the person you were responding to was trying to point out.

Just sayin, though I respect peoples efforts.

Heh. I haven't had my coffee yet so I'm not feeling terribly friendly right now...

But it wasn't that he was saying it looked shady or the like. He just called them illiterates. No "Hey, I thought I'd let you know, there are some errors on the site and it makes you look unprofessional." Just an insult. And frankly, one that's pretty racist in origin. As a minority targeted heavily by discrimination, I don't have much tolerance for that. Especially given that, well.

Bitcoins are international. If he doesn't like that let him run back to his precious national fiat.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 17, 2011, 09:52:29 PM
Yes had thought the same when I read that as well. Perhaps instead of bitching about he could shoot the web site owner an email of the problems he has seen and do something useful, I would not hold my breath waiting on him to do it mind you much easier to be an ass on a forum...

I already sent the owner a PM offering to proofread and make minor corrections. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Unacceptable on August 17, 2011, 11:14:48 PM
so is doubleC just sitting on all our deposited i0coins or is i0exchange going down just the final fail in the coffin for i0coin?

bitparking still works. edit: no, it's not loading again.

Still down :'(

Does the 48 hr rule apply to coins already transfered to bitparking?? I put 105 i0coins in last nite,was gonna wait for the price to go up before trading.

Edit: Back up,Thanks doubled ;D Still like an answer though ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: enmaku on August 18, 2011, 01:16:39 AM
Sitting at 0 connections for a long time now. Any fallback nodes I could add to my config?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 18, 2011, 01:25:38 AM
Sitting at 0 connections for a long time now. Any fallback nodes I could add to my config?
You try closing out of the client and reopening.  That always seems to pick up some nodes for me.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: enmaku on August 18, 2011, 01:27:33 AM
Sitting at 0 connections for a long time now. Any fallback nodes I could add to my config?
You try closing out of the client and reopening.  That always seems to pick up some nodes for me.

Closed and reopened, cleared out %appdata%\roaming\i0coin (except the wallet.dat) etc. I think I'm klined from the IRC server but I don't know why none of the fallback methods aren't working either.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: m3ta on August 18, 2011, 01:28:40 AM
Heh. I haven't had my coffee yet so I'm not feeling terribly friendly right now...

The blunt truth is that hey, it's a bummer, but that's your problem.
Unless you think this forum is Twitter and you really feel the need to share the uninteresting details of your daily life. :)

But it wasn't that he was saying it looked shady or the like. He just called them illiterates. No "Hey, I thought I'd let you know, there are some errors on the site and it makes you look unprofessional." Just an insult. And frankly, one that's pretty racist in origin. As a minority targeted heavily by discrimination, I don't have much tolerance for that. Especially given that, well.

I had my coffee, so i'll waste some time trying to educate you in what should be a very simple concept, that you clearly failed to grasp:

Ignorance is not racist.

If WHOEVER (I really don't care whose etnicity, language, religion or colour) decides to launch a site that deals with a currency (virtual, yes, but i'll get back to this) showing off such a pale display of effort into it, then it's not worth more than a rude comment.

The fact that it's a virtual currency makes no difference - whatever the subject at hand, it just shows a lack of dedication into it that does not help to its value, respect or meaning. It could be dolls, rubber ducks, whatever - it would still make (insert product here) look bad and untrustworthy (as in "Not able to be relied on as honest or truthful", if you have doubts).

The fact that you used the "racist" card, just shows one of two things: Either you yourself are one, and use it indiscriminately, playing the oh-poor-me victim excuse, or you do not have a basic understanding of social values.

And no, I won't even dwell what option is the most correct one - whatever it is, I honestly do not care, as you've shown what makes you tick already, and neither is something I give any value to - people who use the word "racist" too lightly, like you did, are something I have deep repugnance for.
There is strong racism in the world, and "wannabe victims, emo crybabies" like you just take the merit out of those who should be getting the real, undisputed attention.

But hey, like I said, I already had my coffee, so I'm offering you some food for thought.
For free. This one time.

And yes, that site was clearly made by illiterates.
Fact.

I got several russian friends who speak perfect English. I might show them that site so they also laugh about it and agree with me.
Which they surely will. They won't play the "racist" card, as they are intelligent. *hint*.....



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 18, 2011, 01:35:48 AM
Jesus finally the difficulty went up enough that the reject rate is down to around the 10% mark..in the beginning it was like 80 to 90% f'ing crazy!



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 18, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
btw guys, what the current difficulty (I don't have the client in daemon mode nor a working linux install so sorry if I'm asking here)...?



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 18, 2011, 02:00:27 AM
Jesus finally the difficulty went up enough that the reject rate is down to around the 10% mark..in the beginning it was like 80 to 90% f'ing crazy!


You only got 90% wow that's pretty impressive :) :)
For most it was like 99% or more for the first 90 minutes ... (as would be expected)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 18, 2011, 02:05:51 AM
Jesus finally the difficulty went up enough that the reject rate is down to around the 10% mark..in the beginning it was like 80 to 90% f'ing crazy!


You only got 90% wow that's pretty impressive :) :)
For most it was like 99% or more for the first 90 minutes ... (as would be expected)

IMHO the starting difficulty should've been set higher. As it was some big miner probably has 90% of all the i0coins :P...It's kind of hard now to duplicate the organic growth bitcoins had given that there is so much GPU hashing power out there.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mike85123 on August 18, 2011, 03:16:23 AM
I am still seeing 50% stales.  They all occur on rounds that last less than 10 seconds...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 18, 2011, 05:08:47 AM

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btw guys, what the current difficulty (I don't have the client in daemon mode nor a working linux install so sorry if I'm asking here)...?

diff is now 16384

same as ixcoin btw


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 18, 2011, 05:30:01 AM

Quote
btw guys, what the current difficulty (I don't have the client in daemon mode nor a working linux install so sorry if I'm asking here)...?

diff is now 16384

same as ixcoin btw

I see. Thanks! From the looks of it i0coins are pretty much the same price as ixcoins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 18, 2011, 06:27:36 AM

Quote
btw guys, what the current difficulty (I don't have the client in daemon mode nor a working linux install so sorry if I'm asking here)...?

diff is now 16384

same as ixcoin btw

I see. Thanks! From the looks of it i0coins are pretty much the same price as ixcoins.

And there are like 3 times more ixcoins that exist than i0coins! lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PcChip on August 18, 2011, 06:40:18 AM
Where can we go to see current i0coin network hashing power, difficulty, expected next difficulty, and trade price?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Maged on August 18, 2011, 07:58:54 AM
Ok, need a little help here.

The crappy, buggy windows client has sent away my coins into the ether (to a bitparking address), but it's been stuck on 0/confirmations all day and refuses to budge.  I close it down and come back later, only to watch all my older transactions accrue heaps of confirmations, but the sent just sits there doing nothing.

Tried a rescan, didn't help.

Normally when you send a transaction to bitparking it's registered straight away on the site with how much you sent, then eventually clears after enough blocks.  In this case bitparking doesn't even recognise anything is incoming.

It's only 144 coins so not the end of the world, but annoying regardless.  I'd like to be able to install this thing from my PC so would like this transaction to go through.

Any ideas?
Try deleting the transaction:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35214.0


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 18, 2011, 08:08:47 AM
it seems now to be more than six times more profitable to mine Bitcoins than I0coins. There it goes down the drain.

I am very happy to see that Bitcoin is pretty fork resistent.  :D

Now let's go play with merged mining.

Somebody create Mcoin on the base of the I0coin work! It will fail too but will be a lot of fun.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 18, 2011, 08:11:21 AM
270,000 volume on bitparking exchange!
That's almost half the total.
Why are people selling so early?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: flower1024 on August 18, 2011, 08:12:29 AM
270,000 volume on bitparking exchange!
That's almost half the total.
Why are people selling so early?


just because they don't believe in it?
it was all a hype to get some fast money (for me it worked :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 18, 2011, 08:35:39 AM
It's more profitable to mine ixcoins now.
I thought people had more faith this.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I not selling for at least a couple weeks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 18, 2011, 08:59:57 AM
270,000 volume on bitparking exchange!
That's almost half the total.
Why are people selling so early?


lol...surprise surprise...

It was probably smoothie cashing out. He's done with iocoin now LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: grndzero on August 18, 2011, 09:07:51 AM

Quote
btw guys, what the current difficulty (I don't have the client in daemon mode nor a working linux install so sorry if I'm asking here)...?

diff is now 16384

same as ixcoin btw

I see. Thanks! From the looks of it i0coins are pretty much the same price as ixcoins.

And there are like 3 times more ixcoins that exist than i0coins! lol

270,000 volume on bitparking exchange!
That's almost half the total.
Why are people selling so early?


lol...surprise surprise...

It was probably smoothie cashing out. He's done with iocoin now LOL

Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 18, 2011, 09:30:57 AM
[...]
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
if you look at ArtForz' posts above it looks more the other way round. if it's true what he writes (and I believe it) he kicked some I0coin wanna-be adpoter ass.  ::)

edit: like mine that is   :'(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Fletch on August 18, 2011, 09:36:03 AM
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
+1

People take these things way too seriously.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 18, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
270,000 volume on bitparking exchange!
That's almost half the total.
Why are people selling so early?


lol...surprise surprise...

It was probably smoothie cashing out. He's done with iocoin now LOL

Thanks for the reference! Must have been you the other day cashing out part of your 580k ixcoins when price feell from 0.0095btc to 0.0003btc. LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on August 18, 2011, 11:16:47 AM
Must have been you the other day cashing out part of your 580k ixcoins when price feell from 0.0095btc to 0.0003btc. LOL

No..I'm not a 'bottom feeder' like you.. ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: grndzero on August 18, 2011, 12:16:34 PM
[...]
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
if you look at ArtForz' posts above it looks more the other way round. if it's true what he writes (and I believe it) he kicked some I0coin wanna-be adpoter ass.  ::)


And why wouldn't he? 24 Gh was no doubt going to produce tons more i0coins than bitcoins. I hope he sold them quickly when the exchange opened and got a premium price for them.

So far I've made more than 40x the amount of btc from selling the ixcoins that I mined than I would have made mining btc in the same timeframe. Just looking at the wall of GH built up waiting of i0coin to go live told me that I didn't want any part of it for what I was willing to commit to it, and I couldn't be happier with that decision.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 18, 2011, 12:25:47 PM
[...]
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
if you look at ArtForz' posts above it looks more the other way round. if it's true what he writes (and I believe it) he kicked some I0coin wanna-be adpoter ass.  ::)


And why wouldn't he? 24 Gh was no doubt going to produce tons more i0coins than bitcoins. I hope he sold them quickly when the exchange opened and got a premium price for them.

So far I've made more than 40x the amount of btc from selling the ixcoins that I mined than I would have made mining btc in the same timeframe. Just looking at the wall of GH built up waiting of i0coin to go live told me that I didn't want any part of it for what I was willing to commit to it, and I couldn't be happier with that decision.
Nah, I'll be sitting on em until hell freezes over. I just like playing GPU progress quest.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: grndzero on August 18, 2011, 12:46:43 PM
[...]
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
if you look at ArtForz' posts above it looks more the other way round. if it's true what he writes (and I believe it) he kicked some I0coin wanna-be adpoter ass.  ::)


And why wouldn't he? 24 Gh was no doubt going to produce tons more i0coins than bitcoins. I hope he sold them quickly when the exchange opened and got a premium price for them.

So far I've made more than 40x the amount of btc from selling the ixcoins that I mined than I would have made mining btc in the same timeframe. Just looking at the wall of GH built up waiting of i0coin to go live told me that I didn't want any part of it for what I was willing to commit to it, and I couldn't be happier with that decision.
Nah, I'll be sitting on em until hell freezes over. I just like playing GPU progress quest.

Too bad .. you definitely could have sold a bunch of them for a really good price as soon as the market opened, waited for it to drop and bought the same amount back for cheaper and taken a nice profit then sat on them until hell froze over.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: allinvain on August 18, 2011, 02:13:54 PM

Quote
btw guys, what the current difficulty (I don't have the client in daemon mode nor a working linux install so sorry if I'm asking here)...?

diff is now 16384

same as ixcoin btw

I see. Thanks! From the looks of it i0coins are pretty much the same price as ixcoins.

And there are like 3 times more ixcoins that exist than i0coins! lol

Yeh lol..meh I'm tired of these forks..time to go back to good'ol'bitcoin  ;D The one and only, the first.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gerOZ on August 18, 2011, 02:41:40 PM
I0C\BTC trades live now at https://btc-e.com/ (https://btc-e.com/)

*curious*

*click*

*change language to english*

*read*

"blah blah.. order's"???
"blah.. Trades are automatically."
"... ammount..."

*tab closed, no time to waste on illiterates*


Thanks for your feedback.
Illiteracy be corrected soon.

And more. A rare english-language website can correctly write in russian ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 18, 2011, 03:23:42 PM
[...]
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
if you look at ArtForz' posts above it looks more the other way round. if it's true what he writes (and I believe it) he kicked some I0coin wanna-be adpoter ass.  ::)


And why wouldn't he? 24 Gh was no doubt going to produce tons more i0coins than bitcoins. I hope he sold them quickly when the exchange opened and got a premium price for them.

So far I've made more than 40x the amount of btc from selling the ixcoins that I mined than I would have made mining btc in the same timeframe. Just looking at the wall of GH built up waiting of i0coin to go live told me that I didn't want any part of it for what I was willing to commit to it, and I couldn't be happier with that decision.
In the end I only made a little more than I would have with Bitcoins but it cost me a lot of time. Slow mining software and connection lag teached me the hard way. Of course ArtForz is way ahead with the experience of thousands of solved blocks (and I do not mean any fork).  ;)

It was extremely funny and interesting to see and even take part in the birth of a block chain. I guess any new fork will have even less success unless it adds something really new.





Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dancupid on August 18, 2011, 04:13:02 PM
[...]
Bitcoin Clones ... demoting forum veterans into nitpicking trolls for about a week now.
if you look at ArtForz' posts above it looks more the other way round. if it's true what he writes (and I believe it) he kicked some I0coin wanna-be adpoter ass.  ::)


And why wouldn't he? 24 Gh was no doubt going to produce tons more i0coins than bitcoins. I hope he sold them quickly when the exchange opened and got a premium price for them.

So far I've made more than 40x the amount of btc from selling the ixcoins that I mined than I would have made mining btc in the same timeframe. Just looking at the wall of GH built up waiting of i0coin to go live told me that I didn't want any part of it for what I was willing to commit to it, and I couldn't be happier with that decision.
In the end I only made a little more than I would have with Bitcoins but it cost me a lot of time. Slow mining software and connection lag teached me the hard way. Of course ArtForz is way ahead with the experience of thousands of solved blocks (and I do not mean any fork).  ;)

It was extremely funny and interesting to see and even take part in the birth of a block chain. I guess any new fork will have even less success unless it adds something really new.





I thought it was an interesting experiment - I wasted a couple of quid, but I got to see how things worked. I started mining on my crap computer which would have been more effort than it was worth with bitcoin. I learnt a lot more about bitcoin with this than I could have done otherwise as a late(ish) adopter.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 18, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
Yeah I think I'm done with Ix/I0coin.  It's not worth it to cash out at these prices now and make maybe 6 or 7 BTC back.  I'll check back next year.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 18, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
Yeah I think I'm done with Ix/I0coin.  It's not worth it to cash out at these prices now and make maybe 6 or 7 BTC back.  I'll check back next year.

Difficulty will drop quickly if miners leave i0coin (1 week interval?) so next week there's another round ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on August 18, 2011, 04:27:37 PM

It was extremely funny and interesting to see and even take part in the birth of a block chain. I guess any new fork will have even less success unless it adds something really new.


Watching these alternative chains launch has helped me to learn a lot about bitcoin.  They also make great 'test' nets in some ways.  


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 18, 2011, 11:50:13 PM
Quote
Yeh lol..meh I'm tired of these forks..time to go back to good'ol'bitcoin   The one and only, the first

eh thats up to you of course.. but I am racking it in with these volatile new currencies.

Mainly on I0coin as I dont have to worry about some founder dumping all of his coins suddenly and making the price crash.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 19, 2011, 03:43:19 AM
Quote
Yeh lol..meh I'm tired of these forks..time to go back to good'ol'bitcoin   The one and only, the first

eh thats up to you of course.. but I am racking it in with these volatile new currencies.

Mainly on I0coin as I dont have to worry about some founder dumping all of his coins suddenly and making the price crash.


All the p2p currencies have large holders or founders that could crash the price.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 19, 2011, 03:58:12 AM
Quote
Yeh lol..meh I'm tired of these forks..time to go back to good'ol'bitcoin   The one and only, the first

eh thats up to you of course.. but I am racking it in with these volatile new currencies.

Mainly on I0coin as I dont have to worry about some founder dumping all of his coins suddenly and making the price crash.


All the p2p currencies have large holders or founders that could crash the price.

I doubt anyone has more than 100,000 i0coins unlike Thomas having 580k of his ixcoins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: grndzero on August 19, 2011, 04:04:06 AM

It was extremely funny and interesting to see and even take part in the birth of a block chain. I guess any new fork will have even less success unless it adds something really new.


Watching these alternative chains launch has helped me to learn a lot about bitcoin.  They also make great 'test' nets in some ways.  

I learned that what I was hoping to learn wasn't going to happen the way I had hoped. Bitcoin started out in obscurity and grew very slowly for a long time. Since I already knew how to mine solo, getting a client set up and configured was trivial. Grabbing a bunch of blocks early was nice, but when I started getting a bunch of rejects I knew the honeymoon was over, everyone else had finally gotten on to and was outpacing the difficulty. It was like the first 2 years of bitcoin discovery, growth, and explosive expansion compressed into about 4 hours. When you can go from genesis blocks to extracting and selling coins on an exchange in 12-16 hours it gave a bit of perspective, but not really a genuine experience.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 19, 2011, 06:57:57 AM
I doubt anyone has more than 100,000 i0coins unlike Thomas having 580k of his ixcoins.

Difference is, I'd actually rather have 100,000 i0coins than 580,000 ixcoins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jtimon on August 19, 2011, 09:19:13 AM
I doubt anyone has more than 100,000 i0coins unlike Thomas having 580k of his ixcoins.

Difference is, I'd actually rather have 100,000 i0coins than 580,000 ixcoins.

At current prices you could buy more than 100,000 i0coins with 580,000 ixcoins.
But I think you mean you don't want ixc at all.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 19, 2011, 12:54:01 PM
Released new beta and stable versions of the I0coin client. http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=2.0 Also released Linux 64 bits version. Enjoy!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 19, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
Released new beta and stable versions of the I0coin client. http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?topic=2.0 Also released Linux 64 bits version. Enjoy!
Is there a changelog? Or source? The github repository doesn't seem to have been updated.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kr105 on August 19, 2011, 01:01:56 PM
Its the same version as before but compiled again, both versions (beta&stable) includes the source code used to compile on the src folder :)

Edit: Oh, and used static libraries instead of shared. Also, if you want to view the changes that i've made on the stable version, you can diff the source with the 0.3.24 version of the main bitcoin client.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 20, 2011, 01:37:28 AM
Its the same version as before but compiled again, both versions (beta&stable) includes the source code used to compile on the src folder :)

Edit: Oh, and used static libraries instead of shared. Also, if you want to view the changes that i've made on the stable version, you can diff the source with the 0.3.24 version of the main bitcoin client.
Does this new version work on 64bit linux? I couldn't compiler original build.
I had to run the I0coin server off if my Windows 7 laptop.
Maybe I'm making some newb mistakes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on August 23, 2011, 09:00:51 PM
birth and death of a fork. the start is late for a day or so. let's see if it will become a zombie after the retargeting  :D

http://bitcoinx.com/pics/i0coin.png


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 24, 2011, 12:11:13 AM
I can't get either the stable or beta client to make connections now. I think the IRC bootstrapping is dead or something. Which sucks because I can't move any i0coin right now if I can't download the blockchain.
Start the client with -addnode= set to an IP address of a known node. Try "-addnode=206.71.179.116" for example.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 24, 2011, 11:30:26 PM
Start the client with -addnode= set to an IP address of a known node. Try "-addnode=206.71.179.116" for example.

I've been having the same problem, and, well, I tried what you just suggested, and get:

$ bin/64/i0coin -addnode=206.71.179.116
i0coin: main.cpp:676: unsigned int GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindexFirst' failed.
Aborted


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: BCEmporium on August 25, 2011, 01:12:31 AM
Start the client with -addnode= set to an IP address of a known node. Try "-addnode=206.71.179.116" for example.

I've been having the same problem, and, well, I tried what you just suggested, and get:

$ bin/64/i0coin -addnode=206.71.179.116
i0coin: main.cpp:676: unsigned int GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindexFirst' failed.
Aborted


looks like you've a corrupted blockchain.
Try to delete the blockchain file from ~/.i0coin and redownload it. (Beware to not delete wallet.dat!)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 25, 2011, 04:08:54 AM
$ bin/64/i0coin -addnode=206.71.179.116
i0coin: main.cpp:676: unsigned int GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindexFirst' failed.
Aborted


looks like you've a corrupted blockchain.
Try to delete the blockchain file from ~/.i0coin and redownload it. (Beware to not delete wallet.dat!)

That's with the block chain already deleted to start from scratch, actually.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 25, 2011, 05:21:07 AM
That's with the block chain already deleted to start from scratch, actually.
Yes, you're right, I just tested. It looks like the i0coin network is dead. Perhaps the maintainer of the software can comment.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on August 25, 2011, 05:34:37 AM
That's with the block chain already deleted to start from scratch, actually.
Yes, you're right, I just tested. It looks like the i0coin network is dead. Perhaps the maintainer of the software can comment.

Just tried i0coin for fun after reading this.  I keep bouncing around between 3-5 connections and am sitting @ 14514 blocks


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 25, 2011, 06:08:54 AM
The one week part of "one week or 2016 blocks" retargeting is b0rked.
Downloading the chain with a fresh datadir makes it try to retarget at block 1.
Then it tries to go back 2016 blocks. from block 1. Boom, NULL pointer.
With a client that already has the blockchain up to some point in the past, it'll start disagreeing on what the target should be (again, mistrigger of the after-7-days stuff)... around now.
Easy Fix: pull a Thomas and blatantly rip off solidcoins retargeting algo.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 25, 2011, 06:25:19 AM
Easy Fix: pull a Thomas and blatantly rip off solidcoins retargeting algo.

+1 LOL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on August 25, 2011, 06:25:29 AM
The one week part of "one week or 2016 blocks" retargeting is b0rked.
Downloading the chain with a fresh datadir makes it try to retarget at block 1.
Then it tries to go back 2016 blocks. from block 1. Boom, NULL pointer.
With a client that already has the blockchain up to some point in the past, it'll start disagreeing on what the target should be (again, mistrigger of the after-7-days stuff)... around now.
Easy Fix: pull a Thomas and blatantly rip off solidcoins retargeting algo.

Well, that's a big failure. I guess this was never tested so it could be released so soon after ixcoin.

Given that i0coin price is down the drain, it would probably not even be worth fixing. Even if it was fixed, not many people would even bother downloading a new client. Most people have either moved on to SolidCoins or back to Bitcoin. Well it was fun while it lasted. :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 25, 2011, 06:32:23 AM
Deposits and withdrawals in for i0coins in the i0coin exchange are suspended until the issue is fixed. This is to prevent withdrawals occurring on a 'split' chain and the receipient on a different split of the chain not getting their funds. Let's hope the developers comes up with a fix!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 25, 2011, 07:05:21 AM
Something like this should do the trick (disable the broken one-week crap, switch to solidcoin algo after block 14639).

Code:
diff -Nur I0coinClientv1.0-linux-stable-orig/src/main.cpp I0coinClientv1.0-linux-stable-dev/src/main.cpp
--- I0coinClientv1.0-linux-stable-orig/src/main.cpp 2011-08-18 23:15:50.000000000 +0200
+++ I0coinClientv1.0-linux-stable-dev/src/main.cpp 2011-08-25 08:23:52.143725519 +0200
@@ -644,7 +644,7 @@
     return nSubsidy + nFees;
 }
 
-unsigned int static GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
+unsigned int static GetNextWorkRequired_OLD(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
 {
     const int64 nTargetTimespan = 7 * 24 * 60 * 60; // two weeks
     const int64 nTargetSpacing = 5 * 60;
@@ -659,6 +659,7 @@
     // Only change once per interval
  if ( nRemaining != 0)
  {
+/* HORRIBLY BROKEN, *NEVER* use time() in here
  const CBlockIndex* pindexFirst = pindexLast;
  for (int i = 0; pindexFirst && i < nRemaining-1; i++)
  pindexFirst = pindexFirst->pprev;
@@ -666,6 +667,7 @@
 
  int64 rema = GetAdjustedTime() - pindexFirst->GetBlockTime();
  if(rema < nTargetTimespan)
+*/
  return pindexLast->nBits;
  }
 
@@ -691,6 +693,71 @@
 
     if (bnNew > bnProofOfWorkLimit)
         bnNew = bnProofOfWorkLimit;
+
+    /// debug print
+    printf("GetNextWorkRequired RETARGET\n");
+    printf("nTargetTimespan = %"PRI64d"    nActualTimespan = %"PRI64d"\n", nTargetTimespan, nActualTimespan);
+    printf("Before: %08x  %s\n", pindexLast->nBits, CBigNum().SetCompact(pindexLast->nBits).getuint256().ToString().c_str());
+    printf("After:  %08x  %s\n", bnNew.GetCompact(), bnNew.getuint256().ToString().c_str());
+
+    return bnNew.GetCompact();
+}
+
+//blatantly stolen from SolidCoin
+unsigned int static GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
+{
+    const int64 nTargetTimespan = 12 * 60 * 60; // 12 hours
+    const int64 nTargetSpacing = 3 * 60;    //3 minute blocks
+    const int64 nInterval = nTargetTimespan / nTargetSpacing;
+
+    // Genesis block
+    if (pindexLast == NULL)
+        return bnProofOfWorkLimit.GetCompact();
+
+//okay, maybe not this line
+    if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) < 14640)
+        return GetNextWorkRequired_OLD(pindexLast);
+
+    // Only change once per interval
+    if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) % nInterval != 0)
+        return pindexLast->nBits;
+
+    // Go back by what we want to be 14 days worth of blocks
+    const CBlockIndex* pindexFirst = pindexLast;
+    for (int i = 0; pindexFirst && i < nInterval-1; i++)
+        pindexFirst = pindexFirst->pprev;
+    assert(pindexFirst);
+
+    // Limit adjustment step
+    int64 nActualTimespan = pindexLast->GetBlockTime() - pindexFirst->GetBlockTime();
+    int64 nTwoPercent = nTargetTimespan/50;
+    //printf("  nActualTimespan = %"PRI64d"  before bounds\n", nActualTimespan);
+
+    if (nActualTimespan < nTargetTimespan)  //is time taken for a block less than 3minutes?
+    {
+         //limit increase to a much lower amount than dictates to get past the pump-n-dump mining phase
+        //due to retargets being done more often it also needs to be lowered significantly from the 4x increase
+        if(nActualTimespan<(nTwoPercent*16)) //less than a minute?
+            nActualTimespan=(nTwoPercent*45); //pretend it was only 10% faster than desired
+        else if(nActualTimespan<(nTwoPercent*32)) //less than 2 minutes?
+            nActualTimespan=(nTwoPercent*47); //pretend it was only 6% faster than desired
+        else
+            nActualTimespan=(nTwoPercent*49); //pretend it was only 2% faster than desired
+
+        //int64 nTime=nTargetTimespan-nActualTimespan;
+        //nActualTimespan = nTargetTimespan/2;
+    }
+    else if (nActualTimespan > nTargetTimespan*4)   nActualTimespan = nTargetTimespan*4;
+
+    // Retarget
+    CBigNum bnNew;
+    bnNew.SetCompact(pindexLast->nBits);
+    bnNew *= nActualTimespan;
+    bnNew /= nTargetTimespan;
+
+
+    if (bnNew > bnProofOfWorkLimit)
+        bnNew = bnProofOfWorkLimit;
 
     /// debug print
     printf("GetNextWorkRequired RETARGET\n");


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: deepceleron on August 25, 2011, 10:05:54 AM
birth and death of a fork. the start is late for a day or so. let's see if it will become a zombie after the retargeting  :D

It is only truly dead after no one ever speaks its name again.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 25, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
Something like this should do the trick (disable the broken one-week crap, switch to solidcoin algo after block 14639).


I think this is how it should be solved.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 25, 2011, 04:17:31 PM
Any updates?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: virtualfaqs on August 26, 2011, 09:58:13 AM
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post, but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Is anyone selling i0coins?

Thanks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 26, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
When is this fixed? Do we need >48 hours to copy/paste some code?



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 26, 2011, 06:17:12 PM
Well, kr105 seems unable/unwilling/busy/run over by a bus... so... *shrug*.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 26, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
IXCoin is going back up, it's at around 0.0027 right now. Not nearly as impressive as solidcoin, but way better than i0coin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 26, 2011, 07:50:59 PM
maybe i0coin should have some premine/bounty after all,
so the creator would have some benefit fixing the code.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: AlexNeto on August 27, 2011, 04:40:52 AM
Does anyone has i0coins for sale?
Pm me.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 27, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
So I guess if whoever was actually in charge of i0coins doesn't do something very soon,
we can assume that someone else can/will take over this?

Heck I run my own modified bitcoind client/server for BTC so it's not that hard to do (except I don't have windows)

... and this is a thread about i0coins NOT ix ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 27, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
yup, if kr105 doesn't respond very soon we'll just have to adjust the client on our own and hopefully everyone else will update to the same codes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 28, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
maybe i0coin should have some premine/bounty after all,
so the creator would have some benefit fixing the code.

I would like to setup a bounty for fixing i0coins:

200 i0coins for the one who fixes it!

Who wants to add some more? Quote and add your name to the list!

Bounty list:

MaGNeT - 200 i0coins


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 28, 2011, 10:07:59 AM

I would like to setup a bounty for fixing i0coins:

200 i0coins for the one who fixes it!

Who wants to add some more? Quote and add your name to the list!

Bounty list:

MaGNeT - 200 i0coins
d.james - 400 i0coins

Total - 600 i0coins

^^ I'll double your bounty.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: sd on August 28, 2011, 10:41:39 AM
The one week part of "one week or 2016 blocks" retargeting is b0rked.
Downloading the chain with a fresh datadir makes it try to retarget at block 1.
Then it tries to go back 2016 blocks. from block 1. Boom, NULL pointer.
With a client that already has the blockchain up to some point in the past, it'll start disagreeing on what the target should be (again, mistrigger of the after-7-days stuff)... around now.
Easy Fix: pull a Thomas and blatantly rip off solidcoins retargeting algo.

Indeed, it should be an easy fix. Not that I've ever looked at the code, there might be reasons why this isn't an easy fix.


Software development in one line:

Develop -> Test it compiles -> Automated Unit Tests -> Test functionality -> User Acceptance testing -> Alpha -> Beta -> RC -> Production


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 28, 2011, 11:39:11 AM
finally broke out of the newbie jail....

yup, if kr105 doesn't respond very soon we'll just have to adjust the client on our own and hopefully everyone else will update to the same codes.


working on it...
https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin

Checked in artforz recommended changes... trying to compile now (not as trivial).

Any other changes we should rip off of other forks?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 28, 2011, 12:33:21 PM
I think you messed up the genesis "pszTimestamp" string literal while editing.
for portability it should prolly be changed to
Code:
const char* pszTimestamp = "15/Ago/2011 - Diario El Dia - Obama cae al 39% en la aprobaci\xf3n ciudadana";
notice the \xf3 escape in the string, it's a literal 0xf3 char in the original source. iirc thats not valid C++ and tends to get broken easily by a editor using the wrong codepage.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 28, 2011, 12:40:52 PM
I think you messed up the genesis "pszTimestamp" string literal while editing.
for portability it should prolly be changed to
Code:
const char* pszTimestamp = "15/Ago/2011 - Diario El Dia - Obama cae al 39% en la aprobaci\xf3n ciudadana";
notice the \xf3 escape in the string, it's a literal 0xf3 char in the original source. iirc thats not valid C++ and tends to get broken easily by a editor using the wrong codepage.

Fixed


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 28, 2011, 12:57:42 PM
Woudl be nice to get merged mining support in here... Like to see if that would ever really work and dont want to wait till december to see name coin try it out.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 28, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
"It compiles, ship it!"
On a more serious note, for a merged mining currency it'd be better to start a fresh chain and not be associated with the general failure that is ix/i0 (and namecoin testnet already has a working implementation).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 28, 2011, 05:31:38 PM
eh I will bump this... surprised there arent more complains when you look at all the coins for sale on bitparking
yeah i0coin was created on a lark.. but if it can be fixed..even just fixed so it can properly die, than it should be fixed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 28, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
So is i0coin going to adopt the Solidcoin difficulty algorithm?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 28, 2011, 05:51:26 PM
Well, thats what my patch does, switch to straight solidcoin algo after block 14639 (180s/block, diff increase limit, retargeting period 240 blocks), but keep i0s 48 coin/block reward.
-> diff should adjust by /4 after 14639, and at 4096 diff even single-digit Ghps should be able to sustain at least 1-2 blocks/hour or so.
I guess we could just disable the 7-day thing and keep i0s retargeting algo, but then we'd be stuck at diff 16384 for a looooong time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 28, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
you should adopt solids diff algo.. maybe tweak it a bit but something like that.
if you want i0coin to actually compete.
I would actually probably do it ever 6 hours rather than 12


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 28, 2011, 06:01:39 PM
So is it safe for i0exchange to start back trading again?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 28, 2011, 06:09:26 PM
Well, once theres reasonable consensus on what the new algo should be, it's just a matter of changing the constants and finding a suck... masochi... kind soul to build binaries.
Probably not a too good idea to open a exchange back up before "everyone" switched and the network gets at least a few dozen Ghps.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on August 28, 2011, 06:55:16 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post, but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Is anyone selling i0coins?

Thanks.

I have 400 i0coins you can buy for $0.01 BTC each


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 28, 2011, 07:03:27 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post, but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Is anyone selling i0coins?

Thanks.
you can buy for $0.01 BTC each
;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 28, 2011, 08:41:16 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post, but I couldn't find anywhere else.

Is anyone selling i0coins?

Thanks.

I have 400 i0coins you can buy for $0.01 BTC each

Are you denominating in bitcoins or dollars? The way you wrote it is confusing "$0.01 BTC".

If it is BTC that is a super rip off lol.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 28, 2011, 09:00:15 PM
At USD 0.01 it's still a ripoff  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 28, 2011, 09:00:50 PM
Is there any value to these coins?
Can you even make a transaction?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 28, 2011, 09:06:55 PM
Is there any value to these coins?
Can you even make a transaction?
if someone buys them, they have value even if they are nothing more than digital paper weights right now.

but read a page back or two, paper weights might actually turn back into currency soon.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 28, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
Well, thats what my patch does, switch to straight solidcoin algo after block 14639 (180s/block, diff increase limit, retargeting period 240 blocks), but keep i0s 48 coin/block reward.
-> diff should adjust by /4 after 14639, and at 4096 diff even single-digit Ghps should be able to sustain at least 1-2 blocks/hour or so.
I guess we could just disable the 7-day thing and keep i0s retargeting algo, but then we'd be stuck at diff 16384 for a looooong time.
Why not allowing difficulty to be divided by more than 4?
4 was chosen to avoid huge difficulty change but as we're now changing difficulty far more quicker we can get rid of that limit, or modifying it to 10 or 20


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 28, 2011, 09:17:41 PM
if someone buys them, they have value even if they are nothing more than digital paper weights right now.
but read a page back or two, paper weights might actually turn back into currency soon.
Yes, you are right. Demand sets the price.
But the only way to trade I0coins now is to send your wallet.dat.
This was supposed to be a joke currency and people got too serious about it.
The founder has disappeared. Is I0coins dead?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 28, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
But the only way to trade I0coins now is to send your wallet.dat.
Do you realize how false your sentence is?

The founder has disappeared. Is I0coins dead?
Welcome to the open-source world
Enjoy your stay


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 28, 2011, 09:48:12 PM
Do you realize how false your sentence is?
Actually I don't. Maybe I'm just stupid. So you can still send I0coins?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 28, 2011, 09:48:20 PM
The founder has disappeared. Is I0coins dead?

Yes bitcoin is dead because Satoshi disappeared.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 28, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
Actually, just realized something... as ix will also switch to 3-min blocks but has 96 coins/block... that's twice our inflation rate... can't have that.
so... either also switch to 96 coins/block (boooring!) or go to 90 seconds/block target while keeping the 48 coin reward.
At 90 sec/block... change retarget to every 120 blocks (= every 3h nominal), keep the *1.1 /4 limit per retarget, change block acceptance rules so blocks can't be more than 5min or so in the future (we still use bitcoins 120min, but we have way more accurate time thanks to integrated NTP...)
And while we're at it, go to diff 256 instead of 4096 after block 14639.
"special" enough?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 28, 2011, 10:16:34 PM
sounds good on paper, at difficulty of 256, it's going to lure a small number miners to get in on this.
wish we can test it out in someway, but this thing might actually turn out to be an improved version of solidcoin after all.
we'll just have to wait and see.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 28, 2011, 11:55:56 PM
Actually, just realized something... as ix will also switch to 3-min blocks but has 96 coins/block... that's twice our inflation rate... can't have that.
so... either also switch to 96 coins/block (boooring!) or go to 90 seconds/block target while keeping the 48 coin reward.
At 90 sec/block... change retarget to every 120 blocks (= every 3h nominal), keep the *1.1 /4 limit per retarget, change block acceptance rules so blocks can't be more than 5min or so in the future (we still use bitcoins 120min, but we have way more accurate time thanks to integrated NTP...)
And while we're at it, go to diff 256 instead of 4096 after block 14639.
"special" enough?

Fine with me.. can you tell me the code to change and I'll do it.. or maybe there's a way to add you to the project.... I'm still working on getting this damn thing to compile ( worked on the prereqs this morning before life happened and fininishing that up now).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 29, 2011, 01:28:13 AM
Well, once theres reasonable consensus on what the new algo should be, it's just a matter of changing the constants and finding a suck... masochi... kind soul to build binaries.
Probably not a too good idea to open a exchange back up before "everyone" switched and the network gets at least a few dozen Ghps.
Yeah, I'll enable the exchange once it's been running for a bit and seems to be working ok. I'll update my pool with the new code though to help move it along.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ditchmagnet on August 29, 2011, 01:59:21 AM
So can we actually mine IOcoin yet?  I didn't want to read all through the pages, and there is nothing about it in the OP.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Starlightbreaker on August 29, 2011, 03:57:33 AM
So can we actually mine IOcoin yet?  I didn't want to read all through the pages, and there is nothing about it in the OP.
you're late to the party.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 06:16:51 AM
Actually, just realized something... as ix will also switch to 3-min blocks but has 96 coins/block... that's twice our inflation rate... can't have that.
so... either also switch to 96 coins/block (boooring!) or go to 90 seconds/block target while keeping the 48 coin reward.
At 90 sec/block... change retarget to every 120 blocks (= every 3h nominal), keep the *1.1 /4 limit per retarget, change block acceptance rules so blocks can't be more than 5min or so in the future (we still use bitcoins 120min, but we have way more accurate time thanks to integrated NTP...)
And while we're at it, go to diff 256 instead of 4096 after block 14639.
"special" enough?

Ok, checked in most these changes... except..
>And while we're at it, go to diff 256 instead of 4096 after block 14639.

Not exactly sure how to do that.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 29, 2011, 06:19:26 AM
Firstly https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ doesn't seem to work any more (after you login it fails)

Secondly, why on earth are people hacking with the code other than to fix the current problems?

Seriously, just use that patch, make a new one and we'll be done.

Copying some other coin ideas and agreeing coz one person posted a comment here on the forum is not a good excuse to be causing more problems
Every other coin who has been making changes keeps screwing up - so don't follow in their footsteps and just fix the current problem.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 06:19:37 AM
This one still stands :)

Quote
I would like to setup a bounty for fixing i0coins:

200 i0coins for the one who fixes it!

Who wants to add some more? Quote and add your name to the list!

Bounty list:
MaGNeT - 200 i0coins
d.james - 400 i0coins

Total - 600 i0coins

Remember, we can only pay the bounty if the network is up again  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 06:27:33 AM
Secondly, why on earth are people hacking with the code other than to fix the current problems?

Because the entire network is down and now is the time to fix it (ie no one has published working binaries yet which everyone will need to upgrade too).   Either way these were trivial changes.  Now back to getting this windows binary compiling (I suspect linux users probabaly can easily rebuild and restart thier nodes anytime they wish and will once some people confirm they are up and generating blocks again).

Unless someone posts a quick way to reset the difficulty target for restart in the code.. the probabbaly is the last change (unless someone else takes the reigns and makes thier own forks).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 29, 2011, 06:29:12 AM
Firstly https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ doesn't seem to work any more (after you login it fails)
Works fine for me, PM me your error if you're getting one.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 29, 2011, 06:36:14 AM
Unless someone posts a quick way to reset the difficulty target for restart in the code.. the probabbaly is the last change (unless someone else takes the reigns and makes thier own forks).
The NTP code was broken in the original release. It would cause i0coind to hang if the NTP server didn't respond. It'd be good if that can be fixed. I disabled the NTP code on my systems otherwise it was too reliable.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 06:41:36 AM
for the switch-to-256 thing...
Code:
--- a/src/main.cpp
+++ b/src/main.cpp
@@ -726,6 +726,9 @@ unsigned int static GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
 //okay, maybe not this line
     if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) < 14640)
        return GetNextWorkRequired_OLD(pindexLast);
+    //hardcoded switch to 256.0 difficulty at block 14639
+    if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) == 14640)
+        return 0x1C00FFFF;
 
     // Only change once per interval
     if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) % nInterval != 0)
should work ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 06:42:22 AM
right, the NTP hangs... let's see how hard adding a short timeout would be...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 06:47:28 AM
for the switch-to-256 thing...
Code:
--- a/src/main.cpp
+++ b/src/main.cpp
@@ -726,6 +726,9 @@ unsigned int static GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
 //okay, maybe not this line
     if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) < 14640)
        return GetNextWorkRequired_OLD(pindexLast);
+    //hardcoded switch to 256.0 difficulty at block 14639
+    if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) == 14640)
+        return 0x1C00FFFF;
 
     // Only change once per interval
     if ((pindexLast->nHeight+1) % nInterval != 0)
should work ?

ok.. duh... should have figured that out... :) ... committed.  thanks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 29, 2011, 07:03:52 AM
Do you realise how ironic this is?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 07:33:52 AM
First stab at adding a 3s recv timeout to the NTP stuff, I *hate* asio.
Code:
diff --git a/src/util.cpp b/src/util.cpp
index 31dcb57..cfd1932 100644
--- a/src/util.cpp
+++ b/src/util.cpp
@@ -839,6 +839,17 @@ time_t GetNTPTime( const char* ntpServer )
  socket.send_to(
  boost::asio::buffer(data),
  receiver_endpoint);
+ //ugly hack, CBA to switch to asio async I/O just to get a 3 sec timeout
+ int hSocket = socket.native();
+ fd_set fdset;
+ FD_ZERO(&fdset);
+ FD_SET(hSocket, &fdset);
+ struct timeval t;
+ t.tv_sec = 3;
+ t.tv_usec = 0;
+ int n_readable = select(hSocket+1, &fdset, NULL, NULL, &t);
+ if (!n_readable)
+ return time_t(0);
  socket.receive_from(
  boost::asio::buffer(data),
  sender_endpoint);
@@ -890,10 +901,17 @@ int64 GetAdjustedTime()
 
  if((time - nTimeNTPLastSync) >= (60 * 5)) // Calculate the NTP offset once every 5 min
  {
- int64 ntpTime = GetNTPTime();
- nTimeNTPOffset = ntpTime - time;
  nTimeNTPLastSync = time;
- printf("nTimeNTPOffset=%d\n",nTimeNTPOffset);
+ int64 ntpTime = GetNTPTime();
+ if (ntpTime)
+ {
+ nTimeNTPOffset = ntpTime - time;
+ printf("nTimeNTPOffset=%d\n",nTimeNTPOffset);
+ }
+ else
+ {
+ printf("NTP timeout\n");
+ }
  }
 
     return time + nTimeNTPOffset;
it compiles, seems to work and doesn't lock up or crash the client... so far.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 29, 2011, 07:44:43 AM
Please set the block number for the change over a bit higher before relaunch.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Chris Acheson on August 29, 2011, 07:48:43 AM
Do you realise how ironic this is?

Shh, don't ruin it.  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 07:59:49 AM
Please set the block number for the change over a bit higher before relaunch.
Sure, we can switch after block 16127, at diff 16384 and a exchange rate of 0.0006 those remaining 1495 blocks should be done in ... 6 months or so.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 09:25:25 AM
First stab at adding a 3s recv timeout to the NTP stuff, I *hate* asio.
Code:
diff --git a/src/util.cpp b/src/util.cpp
index 31dcb57..cfd1932 100644
--- a/src/util.cpp
+++ b/src/util.cpp
@@ -839,6 +839,17 @@ time_t GetNTPTime( const char* ntpServer )
  socket.send_to(
  boost::asio::buffer(data),
  receiver_endpoint);
+ //ugly hack, CBA to switch to asio async I/O just to get a 3 sec timeout
+ int hSocket = socket.native();
+ fd_set fdset;
+ FD_ZERO(&fdset);
+ FD_SET(hSocket, &fdset);
+ struct timeval t;
+ t.tv_sec = 3;
+ t.tv_usec = 0;
+ int n_readable = select(hSocket+1, &fdset, NULL, NULL, &t);
+ if (!n_readable)
+ return time_t(0);
  socket.receive_from(
  boost::asio::buffer(data),
  sender_endpoint);
@@ -890,10 +901,17 @@ int64 GetAdjustedTime()
 
  if((time - nTimeNTPLastSync) >= (60 * 5)) // Calculate the NTP offset once every 5 min
  {
- int64 ntpTime = GetNTPTime();
- nTimeNTPOffset = ntpTime - time;
  nTimeNTPLastSync = time;
- printf("nTimeNTPOffset=%d\n",nTimeNTPOffset);
+ int64 ntpTime = GetNTPTime();
+ if (ntpTime)
+ {
+ nTimeNTPOffset = ntpTime - time;
+ printf("nTimeNTPOffset=%d\n",nTimeNTPOffset);
+ }
+ else
+ {
+ printf("NTP timeout\n");
+ }
  }
 
     return time + nTimeNTPOffset;
it compiles, seems to work and doesn't lock up or crash the client... so far.
committed


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2011, 09:57:16 AM
It still should be 42 coins per block and rename i0coin to 42coin.

Its the answer to life ,the universe, and everything.

Then Art can say so long and thanks for all the coins ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 10:46:39 AM
lol So guys what are we doing over here? Restart i0coin? LAWL

 :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 10:50:01 AM
committed


Ok, got a windows binary rebuilt with all the changes discussed above... Just need a ok place to post it.

Obviously no one should trust these binaries and you should compile yourself.... but those not inclined to do so we do have an update available.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
committed


Ok, got a windows binary rebuilt with all the changes discussed above... Just need a ok place to post it.

Obviously no one should trust these binaries and you should compile yourself.... but those not inclined to do so we do have an update available.


Link?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 11:45:34 AM
ok, so I confirmed this new client is working..  I'll call it version i0coin 1.1...  Those who choose to adopt it.. the current block chain is at 14632... So the new 1.1 rules will kick in 8 blocks.. should give plenty of time for those who were wanting it to recompile and go live.

Changes at block 14640:  Rebase to 256 difficulty... 90 second blocks. Solidcoin retarget method.

Client bugs fixed:  Issues with negative block count on loading new chain... NTP hangs.


Code:
https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 11:46:32 AM


Link?

Where do you suggest?   I don't know what a trusted location to post these.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 11:51:37 AM
This one still stands :)

Quote
I would like to setup a bounty for fixing i0coins:

200 i0coins for the one who fixes it!

Who wants to add some more? Quote and add your name to the list!

Bounty list:
MaGNeT - 200 i0coins
d.james - 400 i0coins

Total - 600 i0coins

Remember, we can only pay the bounty if the network is up again  ;D

Obviously your call on this.. but I want to be clear that ArtForz  should be considered for the bulk of bounty or a share as his code led to the changes.. I'm just the shlep who checked it in.

Hopefully anyone looking for i0coin to come back to rescue thier i0coin balance or exchange out to bitcoin or solid coin (if a market shows up), would consider a tip of thier bitcoin proceeds.

Enjoy.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 29, 2011, 01:01:45 PM
can you post the new client on sourceforge?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 29, 2011, 01:09:15 PM
Hopefully anyone looking for i0coin to come back to rescue thier i0coin balance or exchange out to bitcoin or solid coin (if a market shows up), would consider a tip of thier bitcoin proceeds.
The bitparking i0coin pool (http://i0pool.bitparking.com) is now running this new version. Once things seem to be stable I'll re-open the i0coin side of the exchange.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 29, 2011, 01:10:31 PM
Hopefully anyone looking for i0coin to come back to rescue thier i0coin balance or exchange out to bitcoin or solid coin (if a market shows up), would consider a tip of thier bitcoin proceeds.
I sent you some btc to the address in your sig as thanks for your work, nice job!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 01:21:05 PM
Seems to be working, we're at block 14641 and diff is 256 as expected.... 14642... 14645... I think I'll direct my miners elsewhere now (inb4 "STOP HOGGING THE BLOCKS")


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 29, 2011, 02:00:31 PM
Oh thanks I hope its still at low difficulty when I get home form work but I don't like my chances lol... time for me to learn how to setup a VPN/ssh so I can direct my mining rig remotely.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
Hopefully anyone looking for i0coin to come back to rescue thier i0coin balance or exchange out to bitcoin or solid coin (if a market shows up), would consider a tip of thier bitcoin proceeds.
I sent you some btc to the address in your sig as thanks for your work, nice job!
Hey thanks. :)   

Still looking for a recomendation for a quick/trustworthy place to host these windows binaries.. Just let me know and I'll get it up.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 02:13:37 PM
Where can we download the compiled version?  I looked at fusebox's github but couldn't finds it :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 29, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
Where can we download the compiled version?  I looked at fusebox's github but couldn't finds it :(

I don't think there is one. I just downloaded it using git clone and typed make -f makefile.unix i0coind but already have all the dependencies installed so it was easy. The hard part is downloading all the blocks on this sorry ass wimax connection at about 7k/sec.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 02:22:53 PM
So what's the difficulty at now?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 02:24:40 PM
Still 256, probably not for long. i0pool.bitparking.com is already at > 20Ghps ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 02:26:53 PM
Oh ok. Can I still use my old i0coin address (and wallet.dat) from the previous version?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 02:31:31 PM
Yep. existing wallets should work fine, same for existing blk001/blkindex and... really... everything.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 02:43:07 PM
Got the windows binaries up on git hub (finally figured out how to do it).

https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin

Enjoy.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 29, 2011, 02:46:40 PM
Got the windows binaries up on git hub (finally figured out how to do it).

https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin

Enjoy.


Thank you!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: 3phase on August 29, 2011, 03:22:21 PM
Now this is what I call the ZombieCoin  :D

The Rise of the Undead.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 03:32:15 PM

Edit: I sent you the 200 i0coins, Fusebox.
I'll send another 200 to ArtForz as soon as he sends me an i0coin address.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: AlexNeto on August 29, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
Quote
Once the network hashrate stabalizes I'll announce a date and time that this exchange will re-open. The order book will be reset before opening.

doublec, when?? :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 03:54:38 PM

Edit: I sent you the 200 i0coins, Fusebox.
I'll send another 200 to ArtForz as soon as he sends me an i0coin address.

I don't think ArtForz needs any more I0coins :P


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
Awesome good job! :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on August 29, 2011, 04:46:46 PM
When windows client will be released?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 04:50:08 PM

Edit: I sent you the 200 i0coins, Fusebox.
I'll send another 200 to ArtForz as soon as he sends me an i0coin address.

I don't think ArtForz needs any more I0coins :P

I just sent them anyway http://i.fokzine.net/s/bupatih.gif


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 04:50:33 PM
When windows client will be released?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.msg488167#msg488167


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 04:50:55 PM
When windows client will be released?

https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 04:52:17 PM
I installed the new Windows client but it's still showing a difficulty of like 16K or so.  And Help->About still says 0.3.25beta IIRC (I'm at work now, so I'm going by memory).  Am I still running the old version?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
I installed the new Windows client but it's still showing a difficulty of like 16K or so.  And Help->About still says 0.3.25beta IIRC (I'm at work now, so I'm going by memory).  Am I still running the old version?

What version # does "help -> about" show?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on August 29, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
I mean already compiled client like bitcoin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe for windows.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
https://raw.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/master/I0coinClientv1.zip <- win32 binaries


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on August 29, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
Perfect. Thanks.

Blocks solved so far 15055...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 05:15:23 PM
I installed the new Windows client but it's still showing a difficulty of like 16K or so.  And Help->About still says 0.3.25beta IIRC (I'm at work now, so I'm going by memory).  Am I still running the old version?
Installed? it's just a zip containing the client and daemon exes.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 05:17:07 PM
Installed? it's just a zip containing the client and daemon exes.

It's easier to type "installed" than "unpacked the binaries into a directory" :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 05:19:34 PM
Hmm, tried restarting the client? You might've gotten a bit unlucky and only connected to nodes running the old version (which doesn't pass along the new-rules blocks).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 05:21:14 PM
Ohhhh now that you mention it, I may have still been running the old client when I started the new one.  Oh well, I'll have to check when I get home.  I blame it on Monday.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 05:25:41 PM
Okay it appears my old wallet with 50 i0coins does not seem to confirm with the block chain. But when I create a diff i0coin address with same wallet file in the folder and run the my miners on it it confirms.

Any ideas?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: darnoth on August 29, 2011, 05:33:46 PM
Heh sucks that it didn't get moved off freenode with this being a mandatory upgrade.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 06:01:22 PM

Edit: I sent you the 200 i0coins, Fusebox.
I'll send another 200 to ArtForz as soon as he sends me an i0coin address.

Just wanted to say thanks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 06:02:42 PM

Edit: I sent you the 200 i0coins, Fusebox.
I'll send another 200 to ArtForz as soon as he sends me an i0coin address.

Just wanted to say thanks.


I want to thank both of you for repairing the i0coin  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 29, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
Now, do we bother with merged mining?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 06:10:40 PM
Okay it appears my old wallet with 50 i0coins does not seem to confirm with the block chain. But when I create a diff i0coin address with same wallet file in the folder and run the my miners on it it confirms.

Any ideas?
You old wallet does not confirm? what does that mean?
If it's a send stuck at 0/unconfirmed it should confirm eventually.
If it's a receive stuck at 0/unconfirmed... it'll probably be stuck at 0/unconfirmed until the user that sent it upgrades (detailed reason: a client will only resend a transaction after it has seen a new block not containing the tx. old clients don't see any new blocks -> they won't resend tx.)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 06:13:49 PM
Now, do we bother with merged mining?


I think it's a smart way to introduce i0coin to the Bitcoin community.
Why?

If 1 or 2 pools start merged mining, I will go to those pools because of the bonus of extra income.
If I go to those pools, other pools will have to implement merged mining to keep up and don't lose miners.

More people = more speculators = higher value ;D

But there may be reasons not to?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
How does difficulty adjust in this new release?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 29, 2011, 07:27:10 PM
I was wondering how would one start solo mining ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
How many coins per block are there now?  


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
How does difficulty adjust in this new release?

Ehm, I think max 10% up every 144 blocks or x hours and max 75% down every 144 blocks or x hours.

Not sure...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 07:29:15 PM
I was wondering how would one start solo mining ?

Put the following line in a batch file (or use the settings for guiminer):

Quote
start /D "C:\poclbm" poclbm.exe user:password@127.0.0.1:7332 -d0 -v -f 0 -w 256
(where 127.0.0.1 should be changed to the IP where the client runs)

Also put a i0coin.conf in:

C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\I0coin

The i0coin.conf should look like this:

Quote
rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=password
server=1
rpcallowip=192.168.0.*

The line with "rcpallowip" is the IP range (or seperate IP's) you want to allow to connect to your rig.
Don't forget the line, or it will only accept mining on localhost.

Then (re-)start the i0client and point your miner to it :)

I found a block with my 5770 after 2 hours and now the second after 11 minutes.
I have 2950Mhash/s pointed at the pool but wanted to use my 5770 for solo mining :P Just for fun...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/i0coinsolomine5770.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 29, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
How many coins per block are there now?  

48 coins per block!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 07:34:29 PM
How many coins per block are there now?  

48 coins per block!

Damn, I've found 16 blocks for the Bitparking pool but only have like 360 coins FML


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dinker on August 29, 2011, 07:37:25 PM
Now, do we bother with merged mining?


merged mining like namecoin? that would be huge!
now how easy is it to implement such feature?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
How many coins per block are there now?  

48 coins per block!

Damn, I've found 16 blocks for the Bitparking pool but only have like 360 coins FML

Same here I am missing like 20% or more at bitparking pool when I mine. I found like 18 blocks but only got like 525 coins.

DoubleC are we missing something here? I've got 4 GH/s pointed at your pool and there is no way myself and moustpotato are creating blocks at that rate and not getting our proper shares.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 07:53:52 PM
w00t! 19 blocks found, for a total of 405 coins now :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 07:59:28 PM
w00t! 19 blocks found, for a total of 405 coins now :)

i'm at 20 blocks 611 coins.

Is something wrong? 48 coins per block yea?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:01:29 PM
Seems rather low, but it could just be variance.  I mean we could technically have found 0 blocks individually and still be at our current coin count.  I think it'll smooth out over time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 29, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
Lol,I think same found 8 blocks so far but only 148 coins


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 08:04:19 PM
Just found 3 blocks on my HD5770; one after 2 hours, one after 11 minutes and one after 25 minutes :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 08:05:36 PM
Seems rather low, but it could just be variance.  I mean we could technically have found 0 blocks individually and still be at our current coin count.  I think it'll smooth out over time.

Well I am curious how many others have the exact same issue. If all 20Gh/s of which I'm 20% of are getting this discrepancy then I think it is noteworthy.

I highly doubt that someone has found 0 blocks yet is getting all the rest of our coins.

That makes no sense.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:05:57 PM
Just found 3 blocks on my HD5770; one after 2 hours, one after 11 minutes and one after 25 minutes :)

You're mining solo though.  I'm talking about the Bitparking pool.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
Seems rather low, but it could just be variance.  I mean we could technically have found 0 blocks individually and still be at our current coin count.  I think it'll smooth out over time.

Well I am curious how many others have the exact same issue. If all 20Gh/s of which I'm 20% of are getting this discrepancy then I think it is noteworthy.

I highly doubt that someone has found 0 blocks yet is getting all the rest of our coins.

That makes no sense.

I'm putting down about 1.3GH/s so between you and me, that's a little over 22% I think.

Edit: How long til the next retarget?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 29, 2011, 08:08:57 PM
Found 15 blocks mining solo! 720 coins  ;D
Before that I was on pool, and got about 300 coins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 08:09:12 PM
Okay, here's the gist of the new retargeting rules.

target time per block is 90 seconds.
difficulty is adjusted every 120 blocks (= 3h nominal).
upward difficulty adjustment is roughly:
 +11% if avg time/block over the last 120 blocks was < 30s
 +6% if avg time/block over the last 120 blocks was < 60s
 +3% if avg time/block over the last 120 blocks was < 90s
downward adjustment if time/block is > 90s is proportional and limited to /4.
= the same limiting algo as solidcoin, just over 120 instead of 240 blocks.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 08:17:11 PM
Hmmm, on "bitparking pool seems unlucky"...
Blocks Found   24
Balance   1269.575216314


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
Hmmm, on "bitparking pool seems unlucky"...
Blocks Found   24
Balance   1269.575216314

Is that solo or with Bitparking?

Edit:  Err, that's a fractional amount so it'd have to be with a pool.  If that's with Bitparking, that's what I would expect to see for 24 blocks.  I'm sitting at 21 blocks and 421 coins now though :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 08:21:28 PM
Hmmm... wild guess... it might not be showing unconfirmed rewards? (stopped mining @ bitparking ~block 15300)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on August 29, 2011, 08:22:45 PM
I'm on bitparking, 10 blocks found for them, 317 coins given to me.
That's a touch more than 5% fee!

I can't get the i0coind to run on winxp or win7, nor to compile at all on linux, so no solo mining for me :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Seems rather low, but it could just be variance.  I mean we could technically have found 0 blocks individually and still be at our current coin count.  I think it'll smooth out over time.

Well I am curious how many others have the exact same issue. If all 20Gh/s of which I'm 20% of are getting this discrepancy then I think it is noteworthy.

I highly doubt that someone has found 0 blocks yet is getting all the rest of our coins.

That makes no sense.

I'm putting down about 1.3GH/s so between you and me, that's a little over 22% I think.

Edit: How long til the next retarget?

Dunno. But I'm going to solo mine and see how things pan out. The rate at which I make blocks on bitparking when compared to rewards is too variant.

Unacceptable especially when I have to pay 5% fee on top of all that variance.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
Hmmm... wild guess... it might not be showing unconfirmed rewards? (stopped mining @ bitparking ~block 15300)

That would make sense to a degree.  But then shouldn't my balance reflect 16-17 blocks worth of coins give or take?  Even still it's way off for me.  Maybe it's just bad luck I guess.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Hmm, tested the gui client in win7 here, works fine except for some weird graphics glitch in the background of the toolbar area.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on August 29, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
Can the gui client act as a server for solo mining?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:30:21 PM
I'm on bitparking, 10 blocks found for them, 317 coins given to me.
That's a touch more than 5% fee!

I can't get the i0coind to run on winxp or win7, nor to compile at all on linux, so no solo mining for me :(

How many GH/s are you contributing?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 08:31:04 PM
Gui client works fine for solo mining if you start it with -server or put server=1 in your i0coin.conf (don't forget to also set rpcuser and rpcpassword)
just tested the new i0coind on win7, also works


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 08:31:15 PM
I'm on bitparking, 10 blocks found for them, 317 coins given to me.
That's a touch more than 5% fee!

I can't get the i0coind to run on winxp or win7, nor to compile at all on linux, so no solo mining for me :(

Ya I'm not going to tolerate that much variance. Ridiculous. >:(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 08:31:37 PM
Can the gui client act as a server for solo mining?

Yup.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.msg488756#msg488756



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on August 29, 2011, 08:35:21 PM
950MHash or so.


That got it working.  Thanks for the links!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 29, 2011, 08:37:23 PM
What port do I open on my router for i0coin?

Wasn't there a "how to" in one of the recent threads?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 29, 2011, 08:42:44 PM
What port do I open on my router for i0coin?

Wasn't there a "how to" in one of the recent threads?

To do what? :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on August 29, 2011, 08:44:26 PM
What port do I open on my router for i0coin?

Wasn't there a "how to" in one of the recent threads?

I think it's 7332.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 29, 2011, 08:48:59 PM
What port do I open on my router for i0coin?

Wasn't there a "how to" in one of the recent threads?

I think it's 7332.
Yes


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Technocrat on August 29, 2011, 09:22:25 PM
Open port 7333 to get more connections.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: navigator on August 29, 2011, 09:23:48 PM
Doublec, things seem to be working, how much longer til you open the exchange back up?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on August 29, 2011, 09:24:30 PM
Is it normal for phoenix (or whatever) to not report any accepted hashes when mining solo?  Never done this before.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 29, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
Yes. Solo it only reports 1 accepted/rejected when it finds a block (or finds a stale block solution...).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on August 29, 2011, 09:43:22 PM
Excellent, thank you for the help!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 29, 2011, 10:01:46 PM
Nevermind,seems to be working fine now boy is solo mining paying of greatly.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 29, 2011, 10:33:05 PM
On i0 bitparking:
Blocks Found   4
Balance   183

Not so bad


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Acejam on August 30, 2011, 12:18:00 AM
Mining @ 4 GHash/s, I've found ~25 blocks in the last 5 hours.  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 30, 2011, 01:46:57 AM
https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin/blob/master/I0coinClientv1.zip
^^
The windows client is working for me (except for the little graphical error on the buttons)
Once I finish re-downloading block info, and hopefully didn't lose anything :) I will send 400 i0c revival bounty to ArtForz (for he is the one published the final codes/binary)

Also I think the new i0coin relaunch deserves a new thread.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on August 30, 2011, 02:27:40 AM
Finally got the source on https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin to compile on linux.  It compiled a functional bitcoin client.  Either I did something woefully wrong, or the code up there isn't exactly what it's supposed to be.


Total sidenote:  What's the current difficulty?
Related:  Can you check difficulty with a GUI client?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ditchmagnet on August 30, 2011, 02:33:35 AM
Got the client running on windows.  How do I setup for solo mining?  Just create iocoin.conf?

EDIT:

Answer - Yes, but it is i0coin.conf, not iocoin.conf

EDIT:

I am also wondering what current difficulty is.  Where can we find that?

I have about 1 ghash going towards i0coin soloing right now.  About how fast should be be solving blocks?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 30, 2011, 04:04:07 AM
when the exchange will be open?
I've reset the order book, and enabled deposits/withdrawal of i0coins again. The exchange will open for trading 2011-08-30 11:00am UTC. That's 7 hours from now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 30, 2011, 04:15:42 AM

I am also wondering what current difficulty is.  Where can we find that?


i0coind.exe getdifficulty


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ditchmagnet on August 30, 2011, 04:30:10 AM
Ok, so difficulty is in the 700 range right now.  I don't know why I still haven't solved 1 block solo mining with 1 ghash.  Maybe something is not set right here...

I set my server to port 8333 and have my miners using that port, everything looks like it should be working, but haven't generated anything.

Do I have to use a different port for it to work right?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 30, 2011, 04:47:28 AM
Ok, so difficulty is in the 700 range right now.  I don't know why I still haven't solved 1 block solo mining with 1 ghash.  Maybe something is not set right here...

I set my server to port 8333 and have my miners using that port, everything looks like it should be working, but haven't generated anything.

Do I have to use a different port for it to work right?

i0coin's rpcport listens on port 7332 by default. 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 30, 2011, 04:52:26 AM
I tried solo mining but the fact remains that it depends on your individual luck and after ~2-4 hours I found a few blocks which honestly wasn't worth the time you can get when mining with a pool.

I am glad that Double C has opened the exchange......only thing that is left is possibly Btcguild opening back the mining site.This could have the same affect as Solidcoin potentially.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ditchmagnet on August 30, 2011, 04:53:20 AM
Ok, I will change it.  Though it looks like I did just solve one.

The server only has 1 card in it, and then I have another computer with 2 cards that are connecting.  Does that cause any problems that they are all using the same username and password?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 30, 2011, 06:17:40 AM
Ok, I will change it.  Though it looks like I did just solve one.

The server only has 1 card in it, and then I have another computer with 2 cards that are connecting.  Does that cause any problems that they are all using the same username and password?

Why do you want to ditch me?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coinotron on August 30, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
I have reactivated i0coins in coinotron.

Happy mining !

:)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 30, 2011, 10:58:29 AM
bitparking i0coin exchange (https://i0exchange.bitparking.com) is open for trading again now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on August 30, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
bitparking i0coin exchange (https://i0exchange.bitparking.com) is open for trading again now.

Thanx :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 30, 2011, 11:44:57 AM
crazy prices on the exchange.. current price makes i0coins 4.5x more profitable.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 30, 2011, 11:48:05 AM
correction.. now 7x more profitable.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 30, 2011, 12:00:01 PM
https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin/blob/master/I0coinClientv1.zip
^^
The windows client is working for me (except for the little graphical error on the buttons)
Once I finish re-downloading block info, and hopefully didn't lose anything :) I will send 400 i0c revival bounty to ArtForz (for he is the one published the final codes/binary)

Also I think the new i0coin relaunch deserves a new thread.


Just FYI, i was the one who published the new windows binaries.. but you are right ArtForz is the one who contributed the code.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 30, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
Doing well guys.. already furiously overpriced. A bit of an uneasy feeling about this one. Might have the revive that i0coin is a scam thread soon. *jokes* Anyway I haven't bought in. I had 300 that I sold but way too early. Was attempting some low buy orders but no crash in sight and I hate leaving orders in while I sleep....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 30, 2011, 01:42:11 PM
doublec, your api seems broken


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 30, 2011, 01:45:13 PM
doublec, your api seems broken
How so? It's working for me. eg. 'curl http://i0exchange.bitparking.com:8080/api/o' works fine.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 30, 2011, 01:52:56 PM
I meant the data

I found the problem: all the trades between 01:19:14 and now aren't in the api data


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 30, 2011, 01:56:58 PM
I found the problem: all the trades between 01:19:14 and now aren't in the api data
If you mean the '/api/t' URL, it's cached at 60 minutes. '/api/t2' is cached at 10 seconds.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on August 30, 2011, 02:01:12 PM
Did anyone noticed the i0coin forum is full of spam? I think that should have been fixed first.

http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?board=2.0


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 30, 2011, 02:20:11 PM
I found the problem: all the trades between 01:19:14 and now aren't in the api data
If you mean the '/api/t' URL, it's cached at 60 minutes. '/api/t2' is cached at 10 seconds.
Thanks

Did anyone noticed the i0coin forum is full of spam? I think that should have been fixed first.

http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?board=2.0
Why? Every Bitcoin fork use this subforum and not their own forum anyway


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bbxx on August 30, 2011, 02:56:23 PM
doublec, your api seems broken

APi works flawlesly

feel free to visit I0Coins OrderBook with some important data for traders

http://www.i0coins.info/

doublec, can you ping my server by f.ex. form GET method ?
i will be getting data from api only after new orders issued, and use cache on my mirrors


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 30, 2011, 03:06:23 PM
feel free to visit I0Coins OrderBook with some important data for traders

http://www.i0coins.info/

doublec, can you ping my server by f.ex. form GET method ?
i will be getting data from api only after new orders issued, and use cache on my mirrors
Nice, I've linked to you from the exchange. Yes, I'll work on a server ping method, it's a good idea.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bbxx on August 30, 2011, 03:28:13 PM
Nice, I've linked to you from the exchange. Yes, I'll work on a server ping method, it's a good idea.

i will be prepared for this.

thanks for link, could you add also link to http://www.ixc2btc.com (IX mirror) ?

i added fixed market depth calculated by last price.
on I0 market it is:

buyers can buy 74.543 I0 coins, sellers have 82.144 I0Coins

buyers have 188.59 BTC, sellers can sell all for  211 BTC

:)

so market is shallow now





Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 30, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
Did anyone noticed the i0coin forum is full of spam? I think that should have been fixed first.

http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?board=2.0

lol xrumer.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on August 30, 2011, 08:11:04 PM

Just FYI, i was the one who published the new windows binaries.. but you are right ArtForz is the one who contributed the code.

I went to re-visit the last few pages, and decided to split the bounty.
you deserve at least half of the bounty(which is not much at all compared to what you have done)
here's 200.123 coins on the way.

Also I recommend whoever benefiting from this revival sending them a little tip as well.
After all,  if it wasn't for them all your coins was worth nothing,


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ohforf on August 30, 2011, 08:14:32 PM


Did anyone noticed the i0coin forum is full of spam? I think that should have been fixed first.

http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?board=2.0
Why? Every Bitcoin fork use this subforum and not their own forum anyway

SolidCoin has a clean Forum, no Spam and quite a few active Users:
http://solidcointalk.org/  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 30, 2011, 10:48:23 PM


Did anyone noticed the i0coin forum is full of spam? I think that should have been fixed first.

http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?board=2.0
Why? Every Bitcoin fork use this subforum and not their own forum anyway

SolidCoin has a clean Forum, no Spam and quite a few active Users:
http://solidcointalk.org/  ;D
And yet there are tons of solidcoin related posts other here, which was my point



Anyway, maybe i0coin needs to release a great huge awesome new release on sept 1st!
Why? Well dunno...
Solidcoin planned to release his new release on this day, and our beloved nasakioto thought that if he released his own shitty new version on the same day it will bring some glory to it
So... As I0coin is a ixcoin fork, why not?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on August 30, 2011, 11:21:44 PM


Did anyone noticed the i0coin forum is full of spam? I think that should have been fixed first.

http://forum.i0coin.org/index.php?board=2.0
Why? Every Bitcoin fork use this subforum and not their own forum anyway

SolidCoin has a clean Forum, no Spam and quite a few active Users:
http://solidcointalk.org/  ;D
And yet there are tons of solidcoin related posts other here, which was my point



Anyway, maybe i0coin needs to release a great huge awesome new release on sept 1st!
Why? Well dunno...
Solidcoin planned to release his new release on this day, and our beloved nasakioto thought that if he released his own shitty new version on the same day it will bring some glory to it
So... As I0coin is a ixcoin fork, why not?

I'm going to see if I can integrate the merged mining patch from namecoin into iocoin.. but that won't be till later this weekend, and it's have to be scheduled (and frankly voted on by the miners since it will require upgrades and a choice of a future block to go live)..

merged mining is the only thing that will save the alt chains...   IE, imagine if you could mine iocoin, namecoin, and bitcoin all simultaneously with the same hash strength.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 30, 2011, 11:27:51 PM
Anyway, maybe i0coin needs to release a great huge awesome new release on sept 1st!
Why? Well dunno...
Solidcoin planned to release his new release on this day, and our beloved nasakioto thought that if he released his own shitty new version on the same day it will bring some glory to it
So... As I0coin is a ixcoin fork, why not?

I'm going to see if I can integrate the merged mining patch from namecoin into iocoin.. but that won't be till later this weekend, and it's have to be scheduled (and frankly voted on by the miners since it will require upgrades and a choice of a future block to go live)..

merged mining is the only thing that will save the alt chains...   IE, imagine if you could mine iocoin, namecoin, and bitcoin all simultaneously with the same hash strength.
It was just a joke but nice idea!
Looks like it works well on Namecoin testnet http://dot-bit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=269

As for the block#, I think it's not critical to chose now, we can vote after we are sure it works in testnet


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: navigator on August 31, 2011, 01:05:59 AM
Wouldn't merge mining push the exchange rate for that blockchain down to near zero? If I'm in a pool that is mining BTC and I0, I will keep my usual BTC then exchange any I0 to btc/usd.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on August 31, 2011, 01:12:08 AM
Wouldn't merge mining push the exchange rate for that blockchain down to near zero? If I'm in a pool that is mining BTC and I0, I will keep my usual BTC then exchange any I0 to btc/usd.
IMO, merged mining is not a good idea. It would drive the I0Coin difficulty above the BTC difficulty if it weren't for shorter block times (the shorter block times do help, but have the same effect). If BTC difficulty were higher than I0Coin difficulty, then miners would profit by submitting pure-i0 blocks as well as i0-btc double-blocks. This will make solidcoin algo useless (except for slow rises, which is disputable since the rapid increase in hashing power would provide 0-security blocks and chains).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 31, 2011, 01:27:38 AM
Just wanted to give a public cheer to ArtForz for his contribution to the fork!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 31, 2011, 01:59:37 AM
I have a .2 BTC bounty for anyone that knows how to recover encrypted passphrases ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 31, 2011, 02:10:22 AM
I have a .2 BTC bounty for anyone that knows how to recover encrypted passphrases ?
Encrypted passphrases?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 31, 2011, 02:19:09 AM
^Correct,I was playing around with the new encryption scheme by I0 coin and entered a pass to see how it worked but now can't remember said phrase.I was wondering where I might be able to find said phrase.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on August 31, 2011, 02:23:18 AM
^Correct,I was playing around with the new encryption scheme by I0 coin and entered a pass to see how it worked but now can't remember said phrase.I was wondering where I might be able to find said phrase.
I'm pretty sure you're out of luck. If you lose the passphrase you can't decrypt the wallet.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 31, 2011, 02:32:17 AM
It's not the passphrase that is encrypted, it's your wallet
And to answer you, you just can't


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 31, 2011, 02:33:21 AM
^^Damn,that's definitely not good.I had quite a few coins in there that I had mined earlier as well.

I was under the impression that since the network can communicate and add coins to the wallet even though encrypted and not needing a password that the passphrase was recoverable for your wallet if encrypted.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 31, 2011, 02:37:54 AM
it's designed to keep people who dont know your passphrase out.. and think of a huge titanium safe and you forgot the combo

and actually that is easier to get into but the point is, you arent going to find that phrase

just keep trying


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 31, 2011, 02:39:47 AM
^^Damn,that's definitely not good.I had quite a few coins in there that I had mined earlier as well.

I was under the impression that since the network can communicate and add coins to the wallet even though encrypted and not needing a password that the passphrase was recoverable for your wallet if encrypted.

Coins can be sent to addresses already encoded in your wallet whether you can read your wallet or not.

Unless you can decrypt and read your wallet, you will not be able to spend any coins locked by the keys stored in your wallet.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lumpy on August 31, 2011, 02:53:27 AM
WARNING: If you encrypt your wallet and lose your passphrase, you will
LOSE ALL OF YOUR I0COINS!
Are you sure you wish to encrypt your wallet?


...


I can't see how this could be made more clear. If it's possible to recover the passphrase, what good is the encryption at all?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 31, 2011, 02:55:22 AM
I can't see how this could be made more clear. If it's possible to recover the passphrase, what good is the encryption at all?

Hey, back when hitting Escape got you past the Windows login dialogue box, I couldn't get anyone to understand that concept...

Can't exactly say I'm surprised people still seem to think there's an equivalent to hitting escape to reverse strong encryption.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 31, 2011, 04:26:40 AM
WARNING: If you encrypt your wallet and lose your passphrase, you will
LOSE ALL OF YOUR I0COINS!
Are you sure you wish to encrypt your wallet?


...


I can't see how this could be made more clear. If it's possible to recover the passphrase, what good is the encryption at all?
You are assuming I saw that.I am guessing I wasn't able to see the warning due to a slower desktop when I was testing Cat 11.8 and pressed enter too many times.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense,encryption is not the only thing that is important.It is like having an employer that pays you only via direct deposit and your bank says whoops just because you lost your password you can't have access to your account,are you serious ?

The whole point of these alternate currencies are to replace THAT system......including Bitcoin,or am I mistaken ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Zonyc on August 31, 2011, 04:40:57 AM
At the current difficulty (3115) is it worth while to solo mine?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 31, 2011, 05:21:46 AM
At the current difficulty (3115) is it worth while to solo mine?

That depends on your hardware. You will get the same amount of coins over time as with a pool, but the variance will be decreased.

If you are going to get a block once every week on average, you might actually get four in one week and none for three weeks. (And of course difficulty could change in that one month period.)

A hash computation is like going and buying a lottery ticket and letting the computer pick the random numbers. More tickets you buy, greater your odds of winning.

A mining pool is everyone "buying" tickets as fast as they can as a group and splitting the proceeds.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lumpy on August 31, 2011, 05:24:08 AM
What you're saying doesn't make any sense,encryption is not the only thing that is important.It is like having an employer that pays you only via direct deposit and your bank says whoops just because you lost your password you can't have access to your account,are you serious ?

Any reputable encryption system by design cannot be broken without the appropriate passphrase or multiple-factor authentication.

The purpose of encrypting your wallet is to protect your coins from thieves. You think a "forgot my password" feature is a good idea?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 31, 2011, 05:37:05 AM

Any reputable encryption system by design cannot be broken without the appropriate passphrase or multiple-factor authentication.

The purpose of encrypting your wallet is to protect your coins from thieves. You think a "forgot my password" feature is a good idea?
Note:After fighting for the last 2 hours I have finally found the password.......

Technically since "Joulesbeef" was accurate in "keep trying" he won the bounty.

On topic,for anything that has to deal with replacing anything else as a base for monetary value,absolutely.Keeping your money safe is important but having access to it is even more so,do you disagree ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 31, 2011, 05:38:51 AM
What you're saying doesn't make any sense,encryption is not the only thing that is important.It is like having an employer that pays you only via direct deposit and your bank says whoops just because you lost your password you can't have access to your account,are you serious ?

The bank does verification for password recovery much differently. Your computer doesn't have a slot for you to insert your driver's license, social security card, and three utility bills to prove control of address...

And even if it did, that would mean _YOUR_ computer had all the information needed to bypass your forgotten password. Which is just fine... until a hacker steals your computer or otherwise defeats its security mechanism. This is why if a hacker can break into your bank -EVERYONE- who banks there can be fucked.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on August 31, 2011, 06:01:02 AM

Any reputable encryption system by design cannot be broken without the appropriate passphrase or multiple-factor authentication.

The purpose of encrypting your wallet is to protect your coins from thieves. You think a "forgot my password" feature is a good idea?
Note:After fighting for the last 2 hours I have finally found the password.......

Technically since "Joulesbeef" was accurate in "keep trying" he won the bounty.

On topic,for anything that has to deal with replacing anything else as a base for monetary value,absolutely.Keeping your money safe is important but having access to it is even more so,do you disagree ?
Absolutely disagree.

In fact it is EXACTLY the same as a Swiss bank account where you must know the account number or you cannot get the money ... (well like the ones in the movies anyway :)

The point of the wallet is the same:
If you lose your wallet (and don't have another copy of it) you forever lose you current balance.
However the reverse is also true if you haven't encrypted your wallet: if ANYONE gets even a copy of your wallet they can take all your coins.

However:
If you can bypass the security without the password then ANYONE else can do that also.

If you don't like that - then seriously, Bitcoins are not for you.

... and they allow what banks want but cannot have: complete security.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on August 31, 2011, 06:03:16 AM
Technically since "Joulesbeef" was accurate in "keep trying" he won the bounty

 ;D

I didnt really help much though, but i figured you might have forgotten a capitalized letter and while it is nearly impossible to brute force a password when you know nothing about what it might be, it isnt that hard to brute force a password if you are yourself and know it can only be of a few combinations. I have a btc addy below if you want to donate some chicken funds. I am running quite low.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on August 31, 2011, 06:26:24 AM
@Joulesbeef

Done w/ extra.

@Kano,I guess we have a difference of opinion then since I said nothing about "bypassing security".I simply mentioned about "password recovery".Considering if the Wallet.dat can hold the encryption with your password surely a password recovery can also be implemented within said system and still be considered secured.I also haven't heard seen a lot people complain to banks about such a system.

What is ultimately the point of Bitcoin as system if it is not user friendly to the mainstream user.It's like basically saying you lost your wallet so tough shit.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Zonyc on August 31, 2011, 06:28:08 AM
At the current difficulty (3115) is it worth while to solo mine?

That depends on your hardware. You will get the same amount of coins over time as with a pool, but the variance will be decreased.

If you are going to get a block once every week on average, you might actually get four in one week and none for three weeks. (And of course difficulty could change in that one month period.)

A hash computation is like going and buying a lottery ticket and letting the computer pick the random numbers. More tickets you buy, greater your odds of winning.

A mining pool is everyone "buying" tickets as fast as they can as a group and splitting the proceeds.

With ~2500Mhash/s?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on August 31, 2011, 06:47:46 AM
At the current difficulty (3115) is it worth while to solo mine?

That depends on your hardware. You will get the same amount of coins over time as with a pool, but the variance will be decreased.

If you are going to get a block once every week on average, you might actually get four in one week and none for three weeks. (And of course difficulty could change in that one month period.)

A hash computation is like going and buying a lottery ticket and letting the computer pick the random numbers. More tickets you buy, greater your odds of winning.

A mining pool is everyone "buying" tickets as fast as they can as a group and splitting the proceeds.

With ~2500Mhash/s?

Just mine bitcoin. i0coin isn't more profitable than bitcoin at this point. If you really want i0coins just mine bitcoin and buy i0.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on August 31, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
At the current difficulty (3115) is it worth while to solo mine?

That depends on your hardware. You will get the same amount of coins over time as with a pool, but the variance will be decreased.

If you are going to get a block once every week on average, you might actually get four in one week and none for three weeks. (And of course difficulty could change in that one month period.)

A hash computation is like going and buying a lottery ticket and letting the computer pick the random numbers. More tickets you buy, greater your odds of winning.

A mining pool is everyone "buying" tickets as fast as they can as a group and splitting the proceeds.

With ~2500Mhash/s?

At current difficulty level, solo mining is practical and your variance will probably be measured over days. It's when it's weeks or months that it gets... very frustrating.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 31, 2011, 01:42:13 PM
Difficulty just dropped to 2675!
Are miners leaving?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lumpy on August 31, 2011, 02:20:27 PM
@Joulesbeef

Done w/ extra.

@Kano,I guess we have a difference of opinion then since I said nothing about "bypassing security".I simply mentioned about "password recovery".Considering if the Wallet.dat can hold the encryption with your password surely a password recovery can also be implemented within said system and still be considered secured.I also haven't heard seen a lot people complain to banks about such a system.

What is ultimately the point of Bitcoin as system if it is not user friendly to the mainstream user.It's like basically saying you lost your wallet so tough shit.



I have the feeling that you don't understand how encryption works or the purpose of it as a whole. Do some research first and you'll see that the password itself is not embedded, so to speak, anywhere in the file. I have my entire hard drive encrypted and if I forget the passphrase (20+ characters, strong mix), ALL is lost forever. That's the point.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: jackjack on August 31, 2011, 02:25:17 PM
"I forgot my password: the system is not user-friendly" ::)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Xanderus on August 31, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
Does anybody knows, is existed anywhere some kind of blockexplorer for i0coins ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 31, 2011, 03:12:07 PM
Does anybody knows, is existed anywhere some kind of blockexplorer for i0coins ?

I also want to know! Current round at i0.digbtc.net is over 60 minutes. Difficulty adjustment at this pace is going to take some time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on August 31, 2011, 03:19:49 PM
Guess digbtc is just massively unlucky. Estimated network hashrate is ~95Gh/s and the last 60 blocks were ~120s/block average -> another 30% or so diff decrease at block 19200 (= in about 2h or so at current hashrate).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on August 31, 2011, 03:42:33 PM
Guess digbtc is just massively unlucky. Estimated network hashrate is ~95Gh/s and the last 60 blocks were ~120s/block average -> another 30% or so diff decrease at block 19200 (= in about 2h or so at current hashrate).

Phew! Zombieround is over, after 90 minutes. I can relax again.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on August 31, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on September 01, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
Lumpy is a stand up guy.. i'll vouch for you in the future if you ever need it for sales or whatever.

thanks for quite a bit more than the bounty


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on September 01, 2011, 01:38:13 AM
Lumpy is a stand up guy.. i'll vouch for you in the future if you ever need it for sales or whatever.

thanks for quite a bit more than the bounty
Lol,I guess I'm Lumpy. ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ditchmagnet on September 01, 2011, 08:49:07 PM
Is anyone else having trouble signing in here?

https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/main

EDIT:

nevermind, I created a new account, and it is working for me now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MacMiner on September 02, 2011, 04:22:40 AM
iX 0.002XX
i0 0.001XX ???

i0coin needs more promotion, twitter, facebook, forums... or... create a thread on speculation section and profit ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: btc-e.com on September 02, 2011, 06:18:01 AM
New Exchanger  IXC/BTC https://btc-e.com/ixc_exchanger (https://btc-e.com/ixc_exchanger)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 02, 2011, 07:17:27 AM
iX 0.002XX
i0 0.001XX ???

i0coin needs more promotion, twitter, facebook, forums... or... create a thread on speculation section and profit ;D

i0coin needs more people to mine on the ORIGINAL ixcoin chain. Thomas fucked up his "fix" big time and a little creativity (and a fair bit of hashing power) could pretty much permanently kill ixcoin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Chris Acheson on September 02, 2011, 07:26:14 AM
iX 0.002XX
i0 0.001XX ???

i0coin needs more promotion, twitter, facebook, forums... or... create a thread on speculation section and profit ;D

i0coin needs more people to mine on the ORIGINAL ixcoin chain. Thomas fucked up his "fix" big time and a little creativity (and a fair bit of hashing power) could pretty much permanently kill ixcoin.

Unless I missed something, the new and old clients won't talk to each other, and therefore won't share blocks.  Mining on one side of the chain fork isn't going to affect the other.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 02, 2011, 07:32:20 AM
iX 0.002XX
i0 0.001XX ???

i0coin needs more promotion, twitter, facebook, forums... or... create a thread on speculation section and profit ;D

i0coin needs more people to mine on the ORIGINAL ixcoin chain. Thomas fucked up his "fix" big time and a little creativity (and a fair bit of hashing power) could pretty much permanently kill ixcoin.

Unless I missed something, the new and old clients won't talk to each other, and therefore won't share blocks.  Mining on one side of the chain fork isn't going to affect the other.

Except a lot of people haven't upgraded. And if you have half the users suddenly able to do transactions on the old chain again ... well, it'd be really funny to see how many ditch ixcoin.2 for ixcoin.1 when ixcoin.1 lets you send coins and ixcoin.2 doesn't because it's not publishing blocks at a useful rate... It'd be really funny to see how many people realize ixcoin is just a complete joke when they find such a major change with such potential catastrophe had to be made so early in the client's lifetime: and only because Thomas couldn't keep people mining after it became obvious to most people that this was a giant scam to start with.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 02, 2011, 07:34:49 AM
Oh, case in point. Exchanges switched to ix.2, so if there was activity on ix.1 and people tried sending coins to an exchange ... they'd be lost. Unless the exchange switched back. An exchange pretty much -must- pick one post-fork chain and can't just change later... pretty massive risk. If it's proven to be this easy for a couple jackasses with graphics cards to make such a major issue for the currency then *BOOM* goes its value, and Thomas's 1,160,000 pre-mined coins (remember, the block chain forked and won't coalesce!!) won't be worth the crap I'm gonna be taking before bed.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Chris Acheson on September 02, 2011, 07:42:18 AM
Oh, case in point. Exchanges switched to ix.2, so if there was activity on ix.1 and people tried sending coins to an exchange ... they'd be lost.

Well, they'd be lost on the old chain.  If they upgrade to the new client, they'd get those coins back because the new chain never saw the transaction.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 02, 2011, 07:46:10 AM
Oh, case in point. Exchanges switched to ix.2, so if there was activity on ix.1 and people tried sending coins to an exchange ... they'd be lost.

Well, they'd be lost on the old chain.  If they upgrade to the new client, they'd get those coins back because the new chain never saw the transaction.

True, but if the old chain doesn't rapidly die the way Thomas expects then he does indeed have a problem. After all, the choice to switch is up to the users. The new chain doesn't work and won't for a while because the blocks are coming stupidly slowly. If the old chain doesn't have a problem any more then a lot of the unawares people will just never switch. And the coins may not be "truly" lost but users have a tendency to blame the author of a system for every problem. Like how many people get pissed at the makers of strong encryption when they lose their data.

"HEY THIS PGP STUFF SUCKS I LOST ALL MY DATA"


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mrb on September 02, 2011, 07:55:09 AM
I am selling an HD 5970 for i0coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40880.0


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: goemon888 on September 02, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
there is a link with fixed windows client?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: makomk on September 02, 2011, 12:36:50 PM
Unless I missed something, the new and old clients won't talk to each other, and therefore won't share blocks.  Mining on one side of the chain fork isn't going to affect the other.
Won't share blocks, but some transactions that are valid on one side are also valid on the other.

Edit: In particular, if there are exchanges or other deposit-holding institutions on both sides of the fork, someone could try sending the same coins to a different one on each side, then withdraw their money and hope to get coins that a valid on both sides of the fork each time. The transactions wouldn't naturally propagate across but...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 02, 2011, 01:52:07 PM
What's happening with i0coin bitcoin exchange right now seems to be an exact copy of what's going on on mtgox  :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on September 02, 2011, 09:48:02 PM
How exactly do you get your i0coin wallet to work again? Mine hasn't updated in about 3-4 weeks at all and I have lots of unconfirmed transactions.. I downloaded the lastest stable build from http://forum.i0coin.org opened it but it's still not updating the block chain at all.. Any help?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 02, 2011, 10:16:24 PM
How exactly do you get your i0coin wallet to work again? Mine hasn't updated in about 3-4 weeks at all and I have lots of unconfirmed transactions.. I downloaded the lastest stable build from http://forum.i0coin.org opened it but it's still not updating the block chain at all.. Any help?
You need the new 'fixed' client there is another github acc where you can get the source (I don't remember where somewhere in this thread) or there is a windows binary of the fixed client by Artforz (also ITT)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on September 02, 2011, 10:22:56 PM
Do you have a link possibly? No Idea where to find the fixed version :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 02, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
You're lucky it still was in my downloaded files list
https://raw.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/master/I0coinClientv1.zip


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on September 02, 2011, 10:40:22 PM
Sweet! Thanks ElectricMucus :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on September 02, 2011, 10:45:09 PM
Was having trouble downloading from GitHub thankyou for the direct link :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 02, 2011, 11:48:52 PM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet (in fact it may have even negotiated the S bend already....)



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 02, 2011, 11:51:02 PM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet
No its collectible value is increasing dramatically, you are just jealous of it's relative success.  :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 02, 2011, 11:54:58 PM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet (in fact it may have even negotiated the S bend already....)



When is ixcoin's difficulty going to go down? At this rate it may take until Halloween? LOL

Takes like 3 days from what I here to transfer ixcoins to the exchange or from the exchange lol. Or was 6 days? LOL :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 02, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet
No its collectible value is increasing dramatically, you are just jealous of it's relative success.  :D

You mean collectible as it will be a rare coin one day (ie no-one will be mining it?)  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 02, 2011, 11:59:17 PM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet
No its collectible value is increasing dramatically, you are just jealous of it's relative success.  :D

You mean collectible as it will be a rare coin one day (ie no-one will be mining it?)  ;D
Bingo. :)

That's the measure on what you'd have to value the current 'alternates'  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2011, 12:01:38 AM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet
No its collectible value is increasing dramatically, you are just jealous of it's relative success.  :D

You mean collectible as it will be a rare coin one day (ie no-one will be mining it?)  ;D

Exactly like how ixcoin is right now? Practically no one mining on it? LOL ;D


SELF-PAWNAGE! lol


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 03, 2011, 12:05:17 AM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet
No its collectible value is increasing dramatically, you are just jealous of it's relative success.  :D

You mean collectible as it will be a rare coin one day (ie no-one will be mining it?)  ;D
Bingo. :)

That's the measure on what you'd have to value the current 'alternates'  ;D

Yea if my memory serves me correctly Bitcoin did nothing value-wise for over a year before it was worth .50c...but hey lets not compare that less we get a true perspective on things...  ::)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2011, 12:07:35 AM
wow the value of this currency has really gone down the toilet
No its collectible value is increasing dramatically, you are just jealous of it's relative success.  :D

You mean collectible as it will be a rare coin one day (ie no-one will be mining it?)  ;D
Bingo. :)

That's the measure on what you'd have to value the current 'alternates'  ;D

Yea if my memory serves me correctly Bitcoin did nothing value-wise for over a year before it was worth .50c...but hey lets not compare that less we get a true perspective on things...  ::)

Difficulty of bitcoin took like 1.5 years to get where ixcoins' is lol. I like that 0.02 GH/s on coinotron.com mining ixcoins. Current block time is 274 hours.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! lol :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 03, 2011, 12:11:27 AM

I like that 0.02 GH/s on coinotron.com mining ixcoins. Current block time is 274 hours.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! lol :D

You must think I care...  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2011, 12:54:02 AM

I like that 0.02 GH/s on coinotron.com mining ixcoins. Current block time is 274 hours.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! lol :D

You must think I care...  ;D

I figured you would get a good laugh out of it. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAH!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 03, 2011, 01:14:19 AM

I like that 0.02 GH/s on coinotron.com mining ixcoins. Current block time is 274 hours.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! lol :D

You must think I care...  ;D

I figured you would get a good laugh out of it. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Nah, I just get a laugh out of your silly posts  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2011, 01:18:49 AM

I like that 0.02 GH/s on coinotron.com mining ixcoins. Current block time is 274 hours.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! lol :D

You must think I care...  ;D

I figured you would get a good laugh out of it. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Nah, I just get a laugh out of your silly posts  ;)

Good hahahaha! Oh and UPDATE:

That 0.02 GH/s has MAGICALLY disappeared from coinotron.com.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 03, 2011, 01:31:42 AM
We need a face for i0coin  ;)

Let me introduce
Santashi Nikitima


http://i.imgur.com/cj9sN.jpg

Awesome

I have created a web page with it, now if somebody can host it???  ;D

Code:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"

"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>I0Coin</title>
<style type="text/css">
    li { list-style: none;  margin: 0; }
    p { margin: 0; }

    span.l { color: red; font-weight: bold; }

    a.mapnode:link {text-decoration: none; color: black; }
    a.mapnode:visited {text-decoration: none; color: black; }
    a.mapnode:active {text-decoration: none; color: black; }
    a.mapnode:hover {text-decoration: none; color: black; background:

#eeeee0; }

</style>
<!-- ^ Position is not set to relative / absolute here because of Mozilla

-->
</head>
<body>
<p><span style="font-size: 200%;font-family: SansSerif, sans-serif;

">I0Coin</span>
<ul><li><span style="font-size: 100%;font-family: SansSerif, sans-serif;

font-style: italic; ">``The most collectible cryptocurrency"</span>

</li>
<li>&#xa;    <img src="Santashi_Nikitima.jpg" alt="Santashi Nikitima">&#xa; 
<ul><li><span style="font-size: 116%;font-family: SansSerif, sans-serif;

">get it</span>
<ul><li><br><a

href="https://raw.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/master/I0coinClientv1.zip"><span

class=l>>>> </span>&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 116%;font-family:

SansSerif, sans-serif; ">github: binary client (Windows only)</span>
</a>

</li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin"><span class=l>>>>

</span>&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 116%;font-family: SansSerif, sans-

serif; ">github: source</span>
</a>

</li>

</ul>
</li>

</ul>
</li>

</ul></body>
</html>


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 03, 2011, 01:53:25 AM
Badass web page!  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 03, 2011, 02:11:21 AM
thx

I pmed kr105 lets see out this turns out  :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on September 03, 2011, 08:12:07 PM
We need a face for i0coin  ;)

Let me introduce
Santashi Nikitima


http://i.imgur.com/cj9sN.jpg

I like this! make it that if you have more than 10,000 coins in the balance,
a hidden sexier gif version is unlocked.
(to encourage hoarding  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 12:25:28 AM
So...how's this all coming along fellas? Web page up yet?

Btw, are you going to have a 'peep show' forum for members only?  

Edit: Err that thing that girls holding in her hands - the symbol looks like something familiar  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 04, 2011, 12:31:19 AM
So...how's this all coming along fellas? Web page up yet?

Btw, are you going to have a 'peep show' forum for members only?  

Edit: Err that thing that girls holding in her hands - the symbol looks like something familiar  ;D

The funny thing is that the only coin you can withdraw and deposit with on bitparking is i0coin, namecoin, and bitcoin. Solidcoin and ixcoin waiting....lol

When's that difficulty adjustment for ixcoin going to take place? Christmas?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 12:38:04 AM
http://i.imgur.com/jekCn.jpg

LMAO..

Sorry bud, would love to read your troll response but its become a bit of a job lately scrolling through all your shitty useless posts so I had to put you on ignore 'less I wear out my mouse wheel...  ;D

So..back to my question guys. Hows this new pron front page coming along?

btw, I notice the current i0coin forum has thousands of links to porn pics. Perhaps you could look at what you already have for inspiration?  ;D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 04, 2011, 12:40:26 AM
http://i.imgur.com/jekCn.jpg

LMAO..

Sorry bud, would love to read your troll response but its become a bit of a job lately scrolling through all your shitty useless posts so I had to put you on ignore less I wear out my mouse wheel...  ;D

So..back to my question guys. Hows this new pron front page coming along?

LOL haha yeah keep walking...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
Heres a snippet from the current i0coin forum

http://i.imgur.com/caiXE.jpg

Hey Smoochie, I notice theres even a link there for you right at the bottom of the snip  ;D

Edit: Actually I'm onto you Smoochie - the pics in that link are pics you uploaded of yourself aren't they?  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 04, 2011, 12:47:51 AM
Heres a snippet from the current i0coin forum

http://i.imgur.com/caiXE.jpg

Hey Smoochie, I notice theres even a link there for you right at the bottom of the snip  ;D

LOL and everyone says I'm the troll. Haha look at yourself oldminer.

Only a bitch would ignore comments of a person he is trolling. Looks like I got to you so bad you had to take your ball and run home to mommy.

LAWL


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 02:12:45 AM
Still replying to my posts even though your on ignore eh?

....

http://domaingang.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/retard.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lumpy on September 04, 2011, 02:17:01 AM
Actually RELEVANT to i0coin, from the newbies board:

My website  http://allchains.info  has when the next i0diff will hit, what it will be, and the total speed of the chain.  I'm in #btcguild on freenode if anyone has any comments or ideas.  (Or post them here.)

-Sp0tter


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 04, 2011, 02:27:01 AM
Oldminer why so much hate upon i0coin? 

To point out the differnce between ixcoin & solidcoin vs i0coin: They both are pretty much a oneman show one developer/guru with a bunch of followers (well ixcoin not anymore :P) while i0coin still while the underdog gets active contributions from random people.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 04, 2011, 02:40:06 AM
Oldminer why so much hate upon i0coin? 

To point out the differnce between ixcoin & solidcoin vs i0coin: They both are pretty much a oneman show one developer/guru with a bunch of followers (well ixcoin not anymore :P) while i0coin still while the underdog gets active contributions from random people.

And i0coin didn't have 580,000 coins pre mined like Oldminer got to do on ixcoin, and i0coin wasn't released with code the ixcoin project could swipe to try and keep Oldminer's precious 580,000 coins from becoming completely valueless thus destroying his attempt to make himself rich.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 04, 2011, 02:41:13 AM
When's that difficulty adjustment for ixcoin going to take place? Christmas?

It's gonna be Christmas Eve. I'm mining on it with a 486 laptop for laughs, and because my bathroom needed a smaller space heater than my real heater.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 02:50:06 AM
Oldminer why so much hate upon i0coin?  

To point out the differnce between ixcoin & solidcoin vs i0coin: They both are pretty much a oneman show one developer/guru with a bunch of followers (well ixcoin not anymore :P) while i0coin still while the underdog gets active contributions from random people.

I dont hate it dude (in fact I've spent a fair amount of of time trading and mining i0coin of late). I just like taking the piss out of Smoochie. He bites every time, & every now and then I just feel like rattling his cage  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: sd on September 04, 2011, 03:09:40 AM
I dont hate it dude (in fact I've spent a fair amount of of time trading and mining i0coin of late). I just like taking the piss out of Smoochie. He bites every time & every now and then I just feel like rattling his cage  ;)

Is that like when you tease the cute girl in school because it's the only way to get her attention?

Just be honest, you love smoothie don't you? You see his sweet avatar and you want to lick him all over. It's OK to be gay, you don't have to repress your feelings. Just maybe you should carry on your flirting in private messages.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 04, 2011, 03:15:48 AM
Just be honest, you love smoothie don't you? You see his sweet avatar and you want to lick him all over. It's OK to be gay, you don't have to repress your feelings. Just maybe you should carry on your flirting in private messages.

Hey, one rapist in the bitcoin community was already one too many. It's not "flirting" when the recipient screams no!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 03:22:36 AM


Just be honest, you love smoothie don't you? You see his sweet avatar and you want to lick him all over.


I can tell you typed that with a lot of emotion. Perhaps you should approach him directly yourself about your feelings rather than try to convey them through me? Least, thats how I did it in school anyway  ;)  


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on September 04, 2011, 03:33:14 AM
Hey Kids! Your Mom Called you for Dinner! Scurry Home Now! xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tomatocage on September 04, 2011, 03:35:04 AM
LOL Ixcoin keeps increasing in value


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: SupaDupaJenkins on September 04, 2011, 03:36:59 AM
LOL Ixcoin keeps increasing in value

It's easy to increase value from 0 Tomatocage LOL xD


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 05:49:22 AM
LOL Ixcoin keeps increasing in value

Yea the interesting thing about ixcoin is its value has never really dropped this last few weeks despite the issues its had. It will be even more interesting to see where the price goes once the new difficulty kicks in.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 04, 2011, 05:57:04 AM
LOL Ixcoin keeps increasing in value

Yea the interesting thing about ixcoin is its value has never really dropped this last few weeks despite the issues its had. It will be even more interesting to see where the price goes once the new difficulty kicks in.

Yeah, because people will finally actually be able to transfer their currency to the exchanges.

And then they can SELL SELL SELL!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 04, 2011, 05:58:30 AM
LOL Ixcoin keeps increasing in value

Yea the interesting thing about ixcoin is its value has never really dropped this last few weeks despite the issues its had. It will be even more interesting to see where the price goes once the new difficulty kicks in.

Yeah, because people will finally actually be able to transfer their currency to the exchanges.

And then they can SELL SELL SELL!

Awesome. I'll be waiting to buy.

Come to Poppa..   ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 04, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
With recent events it turns out i0coin will be the only remaining alternate blockchain.
Namecoin goes for merged mining. Ixcoin is already dead and solidcoin got the lethal dose today.

i0coin prices are already recovering as a result  ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ArtForz on September 04, 2011, 01:53:55 PM
Guess you can't kill the undead. ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: 3phase on September 04, 2011, 01:57:08 PM
Guess you can't kill the undead. ;)

Aim for the head! Aim for the head!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: gw4tt on September 04, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
the i0coin client needs an i0 logo. It's still showing the bitcoin logo.

also either a new forum or clean up the xrumer spam on the old one..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on September 04, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Anybody actually manage to compile the linux i0coin client into a working form?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caish5 on September 04, 2011, 05:25:04 PM
I tried and failed.
I was thinking of doing a little solo mining at this difficulty


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on September 04, 2011, 06:24:04 PM
I figured out what my problem was.  Miniupnp doesn't work for me, at all.
Editing the makefile so that it doesn't try to use miniupnp fixed it, and it compiled.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 05, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
So...how's this all coming along fellas? Web page up yet?

Btw, are you going to have a 'peep show' forum for members only?  

Edit: Err that thing that girls holding in her hands - the symbol looks like something familiar  ;D

I guess we are still looking for someone to host the web page?
LOL not so sure about the pr0n idea though  :P
Who made the I0coin symbol? I borrowed it for the "santas helper" pic, hope it's ok  :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wallet.dat on September 06, 2011, 01:57:36 AM
Difficulty is only 1029.  Shouldn't I be able to find a single block within an hour with 2GH/s?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on September 06, 2011, 02:31:42 AM
Difficulty is only 1029.  Shouldn't I be able to find a single block within an hour with 2GH/s?
Average is 37 minutes for you so more than and hour is still reasonable.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on September 06, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
It's strange that i0coin is so undervalued.
We have ixcoin and solidcoin and both got a lot of negative attention but value is still high compared to i0coin.

Do you think value will go up?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 06, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
It's strange that i0coin is so undervalued.
We have ixcoin and solidcoin and both got a lot of negative attention but value is still high compared to i0coin.

Do you think value will go up?

Seems there arent a whole lot of sell orders on bit parking. It has held steady for a few days.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on September 06, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
i0coin is actually doing surprisingly well for a fork that was created on a whim as somewhat of a joke.  I may have to start mining on it again.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: iopq on September 08, 2011, 01:59:09 AM
what's the latest official client version?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: smoothie on September 08, 2011, 03:38:21 AM
i0coin is actually doing surprisingly well for a fork that was created on a whim as somewhat of a joke.  I may have to start mining on it again.

Just mined 500 of them in the past 2.5 hours.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MrGaSp on September 08, 2011, 04:02:45 AM
I decided to give in and install the client on my linux server...I am now mining at 400MH/s =P, going to get some while i can...if they're worth anything in the end or not, i'll have SOME..hehe..

Edit: 4 now..


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: joulesbeef on September 08, 2011, 04:11:30 AM
i blame the difficulty algo.. it is rather interesting, if it ceases to be profitable, people leave, diff adjusts and it is profitable again.

Its been interesting watching the diff drop down to below 1000 and it still be profitable to mine. If you can sell that is. of course with a low diff, that means low interest, less miners, and lower volume at the exchanges, but the coins still appear to move, so go for it I say


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Oldminer on September 08, 2011, 06:37:35 AM
30K of coins just sold on the exchange...lol...your going to have to bring your bids up ladies if your gonna make any $$.....


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: simonk83 on September 08, 2011, 06:50:57 AM
30K of coins just sold on the exchange...lol...your going to have to bring your bids up ladies if your gonna make any $$.....

People are mining this for a reason.   The same reason they aren't mining IX.

Coin   Profit/BTC           Exchange r.     Difficulty
BTC      1.00             1.00000000    1777774
IXC       0.32            0.00153500    16384
I0C       1.19            0.00070903    1014
SC        1.66            0.00997679    6849


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: phelix on September 08, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
i blame the difficulty algo.. it is rather interesting, if it ceases to be profitable, people leave, diff adjusts and it is profitable again.

Its been interesting watching the diff drop down to below 1000 and it still be profitable to mine. If you can sell that is. of course with a low diff, that means low interest, less miners, and lower volume at the exchanges, but the coins still appear to move, so go for it I say

The only problem with difficulty falling all the time is that soon little red riding hood with a pocket calculator can pull off a double spending attack.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: wolftaur on September 08, 2011, 10:17:12 PM
The only problem with difficulty falling all the time is that soon little red riding hood with a pocket calculator can pull off a double spending attack.

Unless the big bad wolf eats her first. *BURP*


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 08, 2011, 10:30:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/bXkkI.png

What do you think?

edit.
added transparency

LOL
Haven't used photoshop in years. Just made this from a tutorial and I had to google how to do the transparency :D


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 08, 2011, 10:34:52 PM
Needs a transparency layer  :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on September 08, 2011, 11:35:01 PM
30K of coins just sold on the exchange...lol...your going to have to bring your bids up ladies if your gonna make any $$.....

People are mining this for a reason.   The same reason they aren't mining IX.

Coin   Profit/BTC           Exchange r.     Difficulty
BTC      1.00             1.00000000    1777774
IXC       0.32            0.00153500    16384
I0C       1.19            0.00070903    1014
SC        1.66            0.00997679    6849
And why not SC in that case?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Coinbuck @ BTCLot on September 12, 2011, 05:40:20 PM
30K of coins just sold on the exchange...lol...your going to have to bring your bids up ladies if your gonna make any $$.....

People are mining this for a reason.   The same reason they aren't mining IX.

Coin   Profit/BTC           Exchange r.     Difficulty
BTC      1.00             1.00000000    1777774
IXC       0.32            0.00153500    16384
I0C       1.19            0.00070903    1014
SC        1.66            0.00997679    6849
And why not SC in that case?

SC difficulty now is 11436


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on September 12, 2011, 05:41:37 PM
I hope this doesn't happen to i0coin  :o

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43669.0


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 12, 2011, 06:38:23 PM
I hope this doesn't happen to i0coin  :o

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43669.0
Well it is too small to get enough attention, while it could technically happen very easily he e-penis enlargement a potential attacker can hope for would be almost non-existent so I doubt it will :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Coinbuck @ BTCLot on September 13, 2011, 12:34:05 AM
Erm I get 0 connections  :-[

I've been trying at 2 days to add nodes and other things all I get is a log like this:

Quote
trying connection 188.165.138.165:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 64.22.103.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 96.35.24.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 178.63.62.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 206.248.184.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 216.135.68.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 173.242.112.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,4hrs lasttry=-365520,4hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 109.75.176.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,5hrs lasttry=-365520,5hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 91.155.160.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,5hrs lasttry=-365520,5hrs
connection timeout
trying connection 216.243.7.x:7333 lastseen=-365520,5hrs lasttry=-365520,5hrs
connection timeout
nTimeNTPOffset=1


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Coinbuck @ BTCLot on September 13, 2011, 12:03:27 PM
Could anyone help me ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 13, 2011, 12:10:46 PM
Actually you might be using the wrong client, there was some, well messing around with the blockchain back then so it is split, better read this thread as a whole to find it out, its way to complicated to explain and it wouldn't be too beneficial to spell it all out ;)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on September 13, 2011, 12:23:22 PM
Could anyone help me ?
Last block I solo mined (in the last week for the fun of testing something non destructive) I had that happen when I first connected then about half an hour later when I connected again it was OK (and was OK each time I connected)
You are using the latest version?
last git is here: https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Coinbuck @ BTCLot on September 13, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
Could anyone help me ?
Last block I solo mined (in the last week for the fun of testing something non destructive) I had that happen when I first connected then about half an hour later when I connected again it was OK (and was OK each time I connected)
You are using the latest version?
last git is here: https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin

Damn I was using the one from the i0coin forum and it didn't work. This one looks like it's working.

i0coin forum is full of spam now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 15, 2011, 02:20:44 AM
Any I0coin exchange is there operating?
Bitparking disabled deposit & withdrawals.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: AlexNeto on September 15, 2011, 03:00:49 AM
Any I0coin exchange is there operating?
Bitparking disabled deposit & withdrawals.

Probably not. This project is dead.

But I can buy them, if someone wanna sell.
Today my price is 0.00025



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 15, 2011, 03:06:11 AM
https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/main  closed.
But still price is going up 0.00037007


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on September 15, 2011, 03:10:39 AM
ah so I was too hasty in my sell off... oh well.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: fusebox on September 15, 2011, 03:11:46 AM
When a supposed fix for the exploits being discussed are actually posted publicly so they can be vetted, I will update the fusebox fork of the i0coin chain.    But so far it's all talk until the source is openly posted.   Frankly since doubleC runs the largest i0coin exchange any submission would essentially need to be a-oked by him otherwise he will have no reason to turn the exchange back on as long as there no coinfidence in the algorithms that were placed in ix/i0 coin to lead to the forks...



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on September 15, 2011, 03:23:12 AM
When a supposed fix for the exploits being discussed are actually posted publicly so they can be vetted, I will update the fusebox fork of the i0coin chain.    But so far it's all talk until the source is openly posted.   Frankly since doubleC runs the largest i0coin exchange any submission would essentially need to be a-oked by him otherwise he will have no reason to turn the exchange back on as long as there no coinfidence in the algorithms that were placed in ix/i0 coin to lead to the forks...



That source was published on github yesterday.


Edit:  think it was in this commit  https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld/commit/f9523f33ec22e26b7781f5a545fc74b4ecdc31a6
if not it is in one of them anyway


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on September 15, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
Is I0coin still dead?  This is the only coin that is easy to mine, and I have mined quite a bit. 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 15, 2011, 01:03:02 PM
Is I0coin still dead?  This is the only coin that is easy to mine, and I have mined quite a bit.  
Zombiecoin never dies completely. Its living dead.
Its trading at 0.00039998 right now at bitparking I0Coin exchange.  :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
Is I0coin still dead?  This is the only coin that is easy to mine, and I have mined quite a bit. 

Geist is easy to mine, too. Or it was untill diff shot through 170+ ;)

Is I0coin still dead?  This is the only coin that is easy to mine, and I have mined quite a bit. 
Zombiecoin never dies completely. Its living dead.
Its trading at 0.00039998 right now at bitparking I0Coin exchange.  :)

You do know what is in the Geist genesis block, don't you :) ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 15, 2011, 03:33:57 PM
Quote
You do know what is in the Geist genesis block, don't you :) ?
No I don't! Enlighten me please  :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 15, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
Seems I0C bitparking exchange locked at address 37789.
My deposit 1620 is not showing even after 30+ confirmations.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on September 15, 2011, 07:02:44 PM
Someone tried rewriting the block chain 10 blocks back, which is the number of confirmations the exchange waits for deposits. The exchange has locked the block chain down automatically. I'm looking into it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 16, 2011, 09:38:40 AM
what happening in exchange?
200 blocks behind?


http://i53.tinypic.com/2hoe441.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 09:53:14 AM
Quote
You do know what is in the Geist genesis block, don't you :) ?
No I don't! Enlighten me please  :)

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons death may die" (in case you wonder, that's H.P. Lovecraft, a wonderful horror writer)

Alt chains pretty much can not really die (the fact that RS failed to "consensually shutdown" SC illustrates that nicely)

As for i0, it has about 30 Ghashes on it. Makes perfect sense someone tried to overwrite it for sheer evulz.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 16, 2011, 03:32:33 PM
Quote
You do know what is in the Geist genesis block, don't you :) ?
No I don't! Enlighten me please  :)

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons death may die" (in case you wonder, that's H.P. Lovecraft, a wonderful horror writer)

Alt chains pretty much can not really die (the fact that RS failed to "consensually shutdown" SC illustrates that nicely)

As for i0, it has about 30 Ghashes on it. Makes perfect sense someone tried to overwrite it for sheer evulz.

Epic!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on September 16, 2011, 06:34:23 PM
what happening in exchange?
200 blocks behind?
Same problem as last time. A block reorg going back further than the deposit confirmation limited caused the exchange to stop processing blocks. I'll look into it to see what caused it and re-enable deposits/withdrawals when it looks safe.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 19, 2011, 04:15:01 PM
Who's trying to rewrite the blockchain? Please stop doing this. Damn terrorist!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dinker on September 19, 2011, 07:54:59 PM
Oh noes, not again??!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: BCEmporium on September 19, 2011, 09:06:59 PM
Hmmm... looking at i0coin's forum, is this now "PornCoin"?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Lolcust on September 19, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
It's a kind of derelict coin.

I wonder if it just keeps on trucking because some megaminer got hit by a bus and now there's no one to shut his private pool down.

Thousands of years down the line, our robotic posthuman descendants shall unearth several ancient computers, still desperately mining i0-coins, leeching off a power line the company just never really cared enough to cut.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Chucksta on September 20, 2011, 08:29:42 AM
It's a kind of derelict coin.

I wonder if it just keeps on trucking because some megaminer got hit by a bus and now there's no one to shut his private pool down.

Thousands of years down the line, our robotic posthuman descendants shall unearth several ancient computers, still desperately mining i0-coins, leeching off a power line the company just never really cared enough to cut.

+1

LOLOL, I like it :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on September 20, 2011, 08:46:35 AM
Just like ALL the other coins - and maybe even Bitcoin if it doesn't make it either.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Splirow on September 21, 2011, 09:07:59 AM
Anybody has a client zip download file for i0Coin? The download link on i0coin.org does not work......


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on September 21, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
Anybody has a client zip download file for i0Coin? The download link on i0coin.org does not work......
I think the windows binaries are included in the source distribution: https://github.com/fusebox/i0coin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 21, 2011, 10:35:26 AM
Anybody has a client zip download file for i0Coin? The download link on i0coin.org does not work......

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.msg488405#msg488405


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Splirow on September 22, 2011, 03:36:17 AM
I have been trying........but not succeeded!!!!

From the beginning..... How do you solo mine i0Coin?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 22, 2011, 03:43:49 AM
I am mining in pool


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Splirow on September 22, 2011, 03:47:06 AM
I want to solo mine......I have 3/ghs


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 22, 2011, 03:49:20 AM
This is the only last working release of I0coin client.
https://raw.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/master/I0coinClientv1.zip
If u extract it MUST show as I0coinclientv1.1


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Splirow on September 22, 2011, 04:37:48 AM
I got that already. Did some playing around with it but got nowhere!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on September 22, 2011, 08:24:49 AM
U have to use 7332 as port

Don't know if you knew that

Brat


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EskimoBob on September 22, 2011, 10:58:19 PM
sell some coins now! How long do I have to wait for my orders to fill  >:(
Maybe someone can do some fear mongering?  ::)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on September 23, 2011, 04:22:25 AM
sell some coins now! How long do I have to wait for my orders to fill  >:(
Maybe someone can do some fear mongering?  ::)

thanks E-Bob, that made me laugh - nice for a friday afternoon

Fear mongering, hmmm, well obviously the virus writers are going to target I0coin and divert their bot farms onto i0 until the expected completion time goes over 100 days like namecoind (http://allchains.info/) - should take long to do a few hundred blocks at 1000Ghash and then drop out again. 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EskimoBob on September 23, 2011, 06:51:25 AM
Small but positive move in i0coin price made it suddenly 14% more profitable to mine than a BTC. 14% is in this crappy diff/price market is good enough for me.


 

 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on September 25, 2011, 02:28:17 AM
It may be 14% more profitable but where can you find an exchange to change it?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on September 25, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
It may be 14% more profitable but where can you find an exchange to change it?

https://i0exchange.bitparking.com


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on September 25, 2011, 07:53:32 PM
It may be 14% more profitable but where can you find an exchange to change it?

https://i0exchange.bitparking.com
Why are people still buying I0coin? It doesn't seem to have a future right now.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on September 25, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
At present it is 0.96 less profitable than bitcoin, when it is 1.4 which is more profitable, you can mine it and exchange for bitcoin.  I don't think I want to keep i0coin but it can be profitable depending on the value of exchange between i0coin and bitcoin


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dree12 on September 25, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
At present it is 0.96 less profitable than bitcoin, when it is 1.4 which is more profitable, you can mine it and exchange for bitcoin.  I don't think I want to keep i0coin but it can be profitable depending on the value of exchange between i0coin and bitcoin
If nobody buys I0Coin, it wouldn't be worth anything. My question is, why are people buying it?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on September 26, 2011, 12:06:48 AM
because they want to buy them

I have some (both mined and purchased on an exchange).  Will I ever do anything with them?  That's a different question, but I do have stuff in my house I've paid for and don't use.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 28, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ locked at block 54482
deposit not working


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EskimoBob on September 28, 2011, 05:23:04 PM
https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ locked at block 54482
deposit not working

FUD!


I0Coin deposits and withdrawals are working again.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on September 28, 2011, 06:36:26 PM
You can see the time difference between the two addresses & both has same block number 54482, even after 2 hours.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2mqkkld.jpg


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on September 28, 2011, 06:39:22 PM
Well I changed all my I0coins waiting for my stability before I start mining and selling it for bitcoins again


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: trippp on September 28, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
https://i0exchange.bitparking.com/ locked at block 54482
deposit not working

I have the same problem.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: LoupGaroux on September 28, 2011, 06:54:36 PM
Another one that has been locked on block 54482 for the past 7 hours or so. Blocks keep marching onward, but the exchange is hung.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: CosicMiner on September 28, 2011, 09:57:30 PM
I can't even login to i0exchange anymore. Whats going on?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on September 28, 2011, 10:47:16 PM
Another block chain rollback was attempted and the exchange stopped processing blocks until I look into it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: LoupGaroux on October 01, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
Seems we have another lock up happening at block 58557.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on October 01, 2011, 11:49:11 PM
I tried several deposits of i0 and ixcoins this morning.  The deposit of ixcoins directly from my wallet worked ok, but the deposits from my pool seem to be hung up.  Using block explorer they say "Not yet redeemed".  I don't get it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: trippp on October 02, 2011, 09:54:46 AM
Seems we have another lock up happening at block 58557.

Sure looks like it. I wish these things would be announced by the exchange.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 02, 2011, 11:11:43 AM
Once again there was another double spend attempt on the exchange. The exchange closed block chain processing when it happened. As a result of these continued attacks I've had to close the exchange. As it says from the main page:
Quote
Deposits for I0Coin and Bitcoin have been suspended, along with trading. Due to low network power of the I0Coin chain over the last couple of weeks there have been attempts to do 51% double spend attacks. The exchange would stop processing the block chain when these were detected and users will have noticed this, as deposits/withdrawals were suspended while I investigate. I'd then re-open with a higher deposit confirmation limit.

Some of the double spends were successful and a total of 198 bitcoins were successfully taken from the exchange. This involved anonymous users operating over TOR depositing I0Coins, trading for bitcoins, withdrawing the bitcoins and reversing the original deposit.

Due to this loss and the risk involved in continuing to operating an exchange for a chain which has, or can easily get, an attacker with >51% of the power, I've closed the exchange. Please withdraw all bitcoins and I0Coins before 31 Oct 2011 12:00 UTC. You can reach the exchange operator at admin@bitparking.com if you have any questions. It's unfortunate that the actions of a few have to stop the exchange usage for many honest users.
The basic approach from the attacking user was to deposit about 120,000 I0Coins, sell them, withdraw the BTC then invalidate/remove the original deposit. All the successful attacks (totaling 198 bitcoins or so) were done by a user operating over TOR. The user used accounts with names like:
* youdozeek
* mooncoin
* ploti
* adolf
* mojimcheo

The bitcoin addresses that were withdraw too were:

* 13kf6BR32STEuW7FSKVbM3WNUcF6nqcP3q
* 1H3Zx5a7fTWnpt8pfZnwekQzQYb4497vWb
* 1AKxgg8jESUvooeHtNvaSQYhbPCyv7wYZF
* 1G8XACmUXoTF3FaA5bATSD3fnSR2WQXVJH
* 1PoUHcuTqoSiKupYzkQUbPHE4SwTPBT9Ht

If you were one of these users and don't believe you did a deliberate double spend, please get in touch.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on October 02, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
Is there no way to patch this problem once and for all? 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on October 02, 2011, 12:42:06 PM
Is there no way to patch this problem once and for all? 
Stop alternate coins from starting? :)
Basically I'd expect this is happen to all alternate coins.
Some sooner than others.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on October 02, 2011, 01:01:16 PM
Is there no way to patch this problem once and for all? 
Stop alternate coins from starting? :)
Basically I'd expect this is happen to all alternate coins.
Some sooner than others.

Some of them are 51% proof, like GG.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on October 02, 2011, 01:22:18 PM
Maybe they should all patch and be like GG, it isn't safe to have to keep on having such 51% issues and stopping deposits and whatever.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mizerydearia on October 02, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Additionally with a working implementation to provide double spending abilities, it (the software) shall improve over time and be easily compatible with all p2p blockchains, including potentially even bitcoin blockchain if one or more individuals behind the implementation are able to accumulate enough processing power.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: LoupGaroux on October 02, 2011, 02:00:25 PM
The withdraw function for IOC is locked up incidentally. And it might be nice to turn off the fees charged for people to withdraw their remaining funds.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caston on October 02, 2011, 02:08:01 PM
From what I was reading "Some of the double spends were successful and a total of 198 bitcoins were successfully taken from the exchange. This involved anonymous users operating over TOR depositing I0Coins, trading for bitcoins, withdrawing the bitcoins and reversing the original deposit."

that's quite a large theft. Nearly a grand.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on October 02, 2011, 04:41:55 PM
Is there no way to patch this problem once and for all? 
Stop alternate coins from starting? :)
Basically I'd expect this is happen to all alternate coins.
Some sooner than others.

Some of them are 51% proof, like GG.

GG is not 51% proof....  it is Time Warp bug fixed is all.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on October 02, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Once again there was another double spend attempt on the exchange. The exchange closed block chain processing when it happened. As a result of these continued attacks I've had to close the exchange. As it says from the main page:
Quote
Deposits for I0Coin and Bitcoin have been suspended, along with trading. Due to low network power of the I0Coin chain over the last couple of weeks there have been attempts to do 51% double spend attacks. The exchange would stop processing the block chain when these were detected and users will have noticed this, as deposits/withdrawals were suspended while I investigate. I'd then re-open with a higher deposit confirmation limit.

Some of the double spends were successful and a total of 198 bitcoins were successfully taken from the exchange. This involved anonymous users operating over TOR depositing I0Coins, trading for bitcoins, withdrawing the bitcoins and reversing the original deposit.

Due to this loss and the risk involved in continuing to operating an exchange for a chain which has, or can easily get, an attacker with >51% of the power, I've closed the exchange. Please withdraw all bitcoins and I0Coins before 31 Oct 2011 12:00 UTC. You can reach the exchange operator at admin@bitparking.com if you have any questions. It's unfortunate that the actions of a few have to stop the exchange usage for many honest users.
The basic approach from the attacking user was to deposit about 120,000 I0Coins, sell them, withdraw the BTC then invalidate/remove the original deposit. All the successful attacks (totaling 198 bitcoins or so) were done by a user operating over TOR. The user used accounts with names like:
* youdozeek
* mooncoin
* ploti
* adolf
* mojimcheo

The bitcoin addresses that were withdraw too were:

* 13kf6BR32STEuW7FSKVbM3WNUcF6nqcP3q
* 1H3Zx5a7fTWnpt8pfZnwekQzQYb4497vWb
* 1AKxgg8jESUvooeHtNvaSQYhbPCyv7wYZF
* 1G8XACmUXoTF3FaA5bATSD3fnSR2WQXVJH
* 1PoUHcuTqoSiKupYzkQUbPHE4SwTPBT9Ht

If you were one of these users and don't believe you did a deliberate double spend, please get in touch.

That sucks.  Sorry to hear that happened.  Neither of those chains had the time warp issue fixed did they?   Seems proof that needs to be fixed for any chain to be viable.  That and maybe also  merged mining.   I still think the idea of multiple chains is a good one in the long run.





Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tomatocage on October 02, 2011, 05:07:55 PM
Some of them are 51% proof, like GG.
GG isn't in any real danger, even if it's not 51-proof.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: d.james on October 02, 2011, 11:09:58 PM
glad i pulled the plug on this a while ago.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 03, 2011, 01:28:12 AM
The withdraw function for IOC is locked up incidentally. And it might be nice to turn off the fees charged for people to withdraw their remaining funds.
Withdrawals seem to be working - what do you mean they are locked up? The exchange still has to pay a withdrawal fee, especially as the wallet gets low on funds and hits fragmented addresses, so it doesn't make sense for it to turn it off and to incur an even greater loss than it already has.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 03, 2011, 01:39:40 AM
That sucks.  Sorry to hear that happened.  Neither of those chains had the time warp issue fixed did they?   Seems proof that needs to be fixed for any chain to be viable.  That and maybe also  merged mining.   I still think the idea of multiple chains is a good one in the long run.
Right, none had the time warp issue fixed. That definitely needs to be fixed on new chains to make it harder for >51% exploits. Such an attacker can still do whatever they want though, it just takes longer. Merged mining helps if it means that large number of users will start mining, making it more difficult for someone to get >51%. Or finding a trusted pool to 'centralize' things for a while until growth happens. I agree that multiple chains are still a good thing and I still hope to work on pools/exchanges as the technology improves.

I don't think people should just delete their ix/i0 coin wallets. It's possible someone could fix the isues, re-release a client and the coins remain valid. It just requires a committed and interested developer to push things forward.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 03, 2011, 03:30:31 AM
Sorry for your headache, but you still do not understand The Time Travel Exploit. The TTE and 51% attacks are not even related and have nothing to do with each other. You can fix TTE and will still be vulnerable to 51% attacks.

The only thing that solves the 51% per say is Network Hashrate.
I'm aware of this. Why do you think I'm not? There's nothing that can be done to avoid attacks by someone with greater than 50% hashrate (with current coin designs) since they can re-write the chain at will - all they need is time.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on October 03, 2011, 03:50:31 AM
Does that mean that even Bitcoin itself is vulnerable? :(  But GG claims it is not vulnerable to the 51% vulnerability.  Can't Bitcoin implement what GG has done?

That sucks.  Sorry to hear that happened.  Neither of those chains had the time warp issue fixed did they?   Seems proof that needs to be fixed for any chain to be viable.  That and maybe also  merged mining.   I still think the idea of multiple chains is a good one in the long run.
Right, none had the time warp issue fixed. That definitely needs to be fixed on new chains to make it harder for >51% exploits. Such an attacker can still do whatever they want though, it just takes longer. Merged mining helps if it means that large number of users will start mining, making it more difficult for someone to get >51%. Or finding a trusted pool to 'centralize' things for a while until growth happens. I agree that multiple chains are still a good thing and I still hope to work on pools/exchanges as the technology improves.

I don't think people should just delete their ix/i0 coin wallets. It's possible someone could fix the isues, re-release a client and the coins remain valid. It just requires a committed and interested developer to push things forward.

@DoubleC

Sorry for your headache, but you still do not understand The Time Travel Exploit. The TTE and 51% attacks are not even related and have nothing to do with each other. You can fix TTE and will still be vulnerable to 51% attacks.

The only thing that solves the 51% per say is Network Hashrate.

Another huge fallacy.

Merged mining provides no protection for the unique exploits that exist in NMC. Merged mining will lower the threshold to less than 20% Network Hash Rate to successfully pull of a Double Spend Attack on Bitcoin. At this point in time, that is still more than 2.2 Tera Hashes /sec but don't underestimate rouge pools forming when a huge amount of BTC is on the table for the taking.

I have a feeling that when the Bitcoin community realizes that there is no real benefit for BTC and exposes BTC to some serious attacks, there will be a quick divorce.

For the record, I have no planned attacks against anyone but I am willing to bet that at block 19201 all hell breaks loose on NMC/BTC merged chain. The info has made it to all the worse places. Operators are standing by.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 03, 2011, 03:55:58 AM
Does that mean that even Bitcoin itself is vulnerable? :(  But GG claims it is not vulnerable to the 51% vulnerability.  Can't Bitcoin implement what GG has done?
Bitcoin is vulnerable to attacks involving a majority of computing power, yes. So is every other bitcoin-based chain. SolidCoin 2 claims to have solved it but there's no details on what they've done on that chain.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on October 03, 2011, 05:06:03 AM
Thanks for the explanation, learning a lot from you guys, I guess I need to change my username :)


@Wisdomtool

GG is still vulnerable to 51%. If you weren't aware there were two versions of GG. GG1 and the current GG2.
Bitcoin and all of its descendents are vulnerable to 51%. No way around it.

ArtForz discovered a time stamp vulnerability in GG1 and posted it. I took it and enhanced it and was able to mine over 20,000 blocks of GG1 in less than 73 minutes with out a single orphan and without disturbing the original chain. I also discovered a vulnerability in NMC which is unique to NMC and still is. Unfortunately with myself and ArtForz discussing this in the forums other people were able to duplicate it. GG2 was relaunched and TTE was fixed. I tested it.

Rather than fix the problem the NMC Dev however concentrated on rushing out merged mining, which by the way provides no protection at all. The result of merged mining will be instead of requiring 11 Tera Hashes/sec to pull of a 51% attack on Bitcoin, it will now take less than 20% of the BTC/NMC combined chain or 2.2 TH/s, which is very doable.

The original Enhanced TTE NMC exploit is still there and merged mining will also invalidate lockins.

19201 in NMC will be the moment of truth for both BTC and NMC.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on October 03, 2011, 07:30:02 AM
@Wisdomtool

GG is still vulnerable to 51%. If you weren't aware there were two versions of GG. GG1 and the current GG2.
Bitcoin and all of its descendents are vulnerable to 51%. No way around it.

ArtForz discovered a time stamp vulnerability in GG1 and posted it. I took it and enhanced it and was able to mine over 20,000 blocks of GG1 in less than 73 minutes with out a single orphan and without disturbing the original chain. I also discovered a vulnerability in NMC which is unique to NMC and still is. Unfortunately with myself and ArtForz discussing this in the forums other people were able to duplicate it. GG2 was relaunched and TTE was fixed. I tested it.

Rather than fix the problem the NMC Dev however concentrated on rushing out merged mining, which by the way provides no protection at all. The result of merged mining will be instead of requiring 11 Tera Hashes/sec to pull of a 51% attack on Bitcoin, it will now take less than 20% of the BTC/NMC combined chain or 2.2 TH/s, which is very doable.

The original Enhanced TTE NMC exploit is still there and merged mining will also invalidate lockins.

19201 in NMC will be the moment of truth for both BTC and NMC.

Ok. There may be a attack after 19201 due to very low hash required to do an attack.

I have some bitcoins & i am also mining bitcoins.
How i have to protect my mined coins & also the coins i am mining now & also i will be mining when nmc block hits 19201?
Bitcoin developers not going to do anything?
They just watch the attack & all innocent people who put money on bitcoin & mining loose all their money & go empty handed, bankrupt or even suicide?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on October 03, 2011, 07:43:53 AM
I really dont understand what the hell developers are doing?
They created a new way to transfer money & after millions of dollars invested, they just going to watch & let it die.
So, as said by many that bitcoin is a scam is going to be real?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Tomatocage on October 03, 2011, 07:55:19 AM
Seriously, there is absolutely ZERO you can do about it.

Just keep mining as usual. I seriously doubt anyone will try and attack Bitcoin. NMC you can count on it due to it be a very soft target.

He could start mining TB/GG since the chance of those getting attacked are pretty much nil, wouldn't you say?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on October 03, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
@Wisdomtool

GG is still vulnerable to 51%. If you weren't aware there were two versions of GG. GG1 and the current GG2.
Bitcoin and all of its descendents are vulnerable to 51%. No way around it.

ArtForz discovered a time stamp vulnerability in GG1 and posted it. I took it and enhanced it and was able to mine over 20,000 blocks of GG1 in less than 73 minutes with out a single orphan and without disturbing the original chain. I also discovered a vulnerability in NMC which is unique to NMC and still is. Unfortunately with myself and ArtForz discussing this in the forums other people were able to duplicate it. GG2 was relaunched and TTE was fixed. I tested it.

Rather than fix the problem the NMC Dev however concentrated on rushing out merged mining, which by the way provides no protection at all. The result of merged mining will be instead of requiring 11 Tera Hashes/sec to pull of a 51% attack on Bitcoin, it will now take less than 20% of the BTC/NMC combined chain or 2.2 TH/s, which is very doable.

The original Enhanced TTE NMC exploit is still there and merged mining will also invalidate lockins.

19201 in NMC will be the moment of truth for both BTC and NMC.

Ok. There may be a attack after 19201 due to very low hash required to do an attack.

I have some bitcoins & i am also mining bitcoins.
How i have to protect my mined coins & also the coins i am mining now & also i will be mining when nmc block hits 19201?
Bitcoin developers not going to do anything?
They just watch the attack & all innocent people who put money on bitcoin & mining loose all their money & go empty handed, bankrupt or even suicide?


Seriously, there is absolutely ZERO you can do about it.

Just keep mining as usual. I seriously doubt anyone will try and attack Bitcoin. NMC you can count on it due to it be a very soft target.

Um? How is NMC's lower hash rate possible to do a 51% attack on BTC based on anything below 51% of BTC?
The BTC hash-chain gets extra crap put in it for NMC when an NMC block is also a BTC block.
Otherwise, nothing happens to BTC
It doesn't suddenly change what's required to do a 51% on BTC nor does it lower in any manner or form what BTC will accept as a block.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: JoelKatz on October 03, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
The withdraw function for IOC is locked up incidentally. And it might be nice to turn off the fees charged for people to withdraw their remaining funds.
Withdrawals seem to be working - what do you mean they are locked up? The exchange still has to pay a withdrawal fee, especially as the wallet gets low on funds and hits fragmented addresses, so it doesn't make sense for it to turn it off and to incur an even greater loss than it already has.
It does make sense to turn it off, since you are compelling people to withdraw. It's not really fair to tell people "you must withdraw all your coins" and at the same time charge them a fee for doing so. Consider a person who just deposited some funds, who now must withdraw them an incur a fee and who gets nothing for his funds.

This is the risk you assumed, and which you were paid for assuming, when you opened an exchange.

I guess a good analogy might be a whole life insurance policy. Such a policy might have a fee associated with cashing in the policy before a particular date. But if the company is going out of business and requires everyone to cash in their policy or lose it, they should clearly waive the fee.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: trippp on October 03, 2011, 06:23:16 PM
I never bothered to get my own ixcoin and i0coin wallets. Are there any web wallets or other services that can hold my IXC and I0C for me while I wait for them to become worthless?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: coblee on October 03, 2011, 06:34:39 PM
The withdraw function for IOC is locked up incidentally. And it might be nice to turn off the fees charged for people to withdraw their remaining funds.
Withdrawals seem to be working - what do you mean they are locked up? The exchange still has to pay a withdrawal fee, especially as the wallet gets low on funds and hits fragmented addresses, so it doesn't make sense for it to turn it off and to incur an even greater loss than it already has.
It does make sense to turn it off, since you are compelling people to withdraw. It's not really fair to tell people "you must withdraw all your coins" and at the same time charge them a fee for doing so. Consider a person who just deposited some funds, who now must withdraw them an incur a fee and who gets nothing for his funds.

This is the risk you assumed, and which you were paid for assuming, when you opened an exchange.

I guess a good analogy might be a whole life insurance policy. Such a policy might have a fee associated with cashing in the policy before a particular date. But if the company is going out of business and requires everyone to cash in their policy or lose it, they should clearly waive the fee.

We're talking about 0.01 btc and 0.01 i0c here. That's like 5 cents for bitcoin withdrawal and nearly nothing for i0c withdrawal. It's nothing for each user but adds up if doublec has to pay for it all. He's lost ~200 btc already trying to do this community a favor. Please give him a break.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: LoupGaroux on October 03, 2011, 08:29:27 PM
I feel badly for doublec, and have told him that personally, as well as offered the few crumbs that are left in my accounts to offset the losses. I was speaking more to a gesture, turning off the automatic fees would be a measure of courtesy to those who have to pull everything out, regardless of how trivial the amounts is to some, a courtesy that might offset some of the surprise at having the only legit exchange for alt/cryptos go under overnight.

And in faireness- how did doublec lose "200 btc" already? It was stolen from the exchange by double spending, so it was actually stolen from those traders who were on the other side of the transaction that was cancelled on the double spend, unless doublec has guaranteed their accounts and made good on the losses.

Sucks to be in the Wild West phase of growth for this thing, but this is the era that creates the barons, the robber barons, and the robbers. You want upside, you will see proportional downside.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mizerydearia on October 03, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
This is the risk you assumed, and which you were paid for assuming, when you opened an exchange.

We're not dealing with create-out-of-thin-air-fiat-currency-to-cover-losses-in-guise-of-insurance exchanges/banks.

In the case of mtgox losing money (several hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoins, maybe a million or more, as of yet still kept secret/private by mtgox), mtgox was able to continue because of their transaction fees that generate us$20,000-us$100,000 profit in bitcoins per month and using those profits to cover their losses (which technically if everyone withdrew their money from mtgox, it would be clearly obvious mtgox had insufficient funds, but this didn't happen and mtgox has had (and still has) opportunity to account for losses in this way.

bitomat was unable to endure similar experiences since the exchange had free transactions.

bitparking seemingly has similar opportunity as mtgox has had (and continues to have) in which continued profit from transaction fees could be used to compensate users for their losses, however, in this particular case, the technological p2p cryptocurrency implementations are still vulnerable to provide a safe, reliable exchange market, whereas in case of mtgox, bitcoin did not noticeably suffer from such vulnerabilities as of yet.  Therefore, this added issue resulting in bitparking to continue offering services in the exact same exchange markets may prevent its opportunity to compensate users for their losses by using funding generated from continued transaction fees and instead would rely on using funding from other sources.

Right now all it would take to effectively kill Bitcoin would be for the US Government or any rouge agency to simply invest a few million in hardware and kiss Bitcoin goodbye. It really is that simple.  Bitcoin's huge hash rate is its security.

And then when that happens, all bitcoin exchanges (http://bitcoinmarkets.com/exchanges.php) will probably endure similar experiences, but more devastatingly in relation to fiat currency investments.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on October 03, 2011, 09:55:10 PM
Thanks for the service DoubleC.  We've traded BTC together and I've used his exchange.  The 5 cent transaction fee for withdrawals is trivial, and people could leave their coins there is they wanted.  No one promised they would be worth any thing.

I think I have his BTC address on my email somewhere to donate to.  Anyone want to buy some potentially worthless i0coins?  Possibly becoming a collectors item (lol)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 03, 2011, 10:39:49 PM
And in faireness- how did doublec lose "200 btc" already? It was stolen from the exchange by double spending, so it was actually stolen from those traders who were on the other side of the transaction that was cancelled on the double spend, unless doublec has guaranteed their accounts and made good on the losses.
The balance of the accounts within the exchange are stored in a database, not the block chain. So when a double spend occurs, the other end of the trade still gets the BTC updated in the database. The exchange itself is short the money but the trader is not. I have made good on the losses. The exchange was structured to minimize any loss (compared to the entire BTC balance the exchange held) knowing that I'd be covering it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: JoelKatz on October 04, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
He's lost ~200 btc already trying to do this community a favor. Please give him a break.
I'm perfectly willing to give him a break. The issue is him compelling other people who might not feel so generous to also give him a break. It's perfectly fine to open a business to help the community, but you can't then turn around and insist that individual members of that community turn around and help you out. He can certainly *ask* the community to help him cover his losses. However, it is wrong for him to compel them to or to impose his losses on others.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 02:45:56 AM
I'm perfectly willing to give him a break. The issue is him compelling other people who might not feel so generous to also give him a break. It's perfectly fine to open a business to help the community, but you can't then turn around and insist that individual members of that community turn around and help you out. He can certainly *ask* the community to help him cover his losses. However, it is wrong for him to compel them to or to impose his losses on others.
I have not asked or imposed on anyone to cover my losses. The withdrawal fee has always been there. Users of the exchange were able to see the fee and choose to deposit or not knowing that there's a fee to withdraw. That fee is solely there to cover the network transaction fee for sending and receiving coins. Knowing a fee exists the risk is upon the user that if circumstances require them to withdraw they need to pay that fee.

In a previous comment you raise an analogy of early termination charges on insurance policies. The withdrawal fee here is not an 'early termination' fee. It's a fee to cover what the bitcoin network charges for transferring money and has been charged always - whether 'terminating early' or not.

You are making it sound like I'm charging a fee to recoup losses. This is not the case.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: yetis on October 04, 2011, 02:49:07 AM
I've invested over 5000 US$ in hardware and electricity for mining Bitcoins and some money buying Bitcoins. Then i've deposited all my hard mtgox-earned and mined Bitcoins plus my mined Ixcoins on http://ixchange.bitparking.com for trading.
Now, the exchange suddenly closed and i have some Bitcoins and many worthless Ixcoins.
What do you think how i'm feeling now?
No rollback, no real information about what's going on? No excuse, just shutting down, telling that someone has stolen money, bla bla...
This looks like a mafia... introducing Bitcoin forks, opening exchanges, collecting trading fees, making big profit, then shutting down, and bye...

Since the last three weeks the Ixcoin value was rapidly falling, because some people sold all their Ixcoins at any price... hmmm...

Think about it!






Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 02:58:41 AM
Now, the exchange was suddenly closed and i have some Bitcoins and many worthless Ixcoins.
What do you think how i'm feeling now?
No rollback, no real information about what's going on? No excuse, just shutting down, telling that someone has stolen money, bla bla...
This looks like a mafia... introducing Bitcoin forks, opening exchanges, collecting trading fees, making big profit, then shutting down, and bye...
I provided information on why it's closing down. I provided information about the double spend attempts on the i0coin block chain. The ixcoin chain has the same problems - it has a low hash rate and has no one maintaining the chain software to provide fixes. The risk is to great for the exchange to operate in this environment. If you want the chain to succeed and exchanges to open then you need to do something about encouraging more people mining and more usage of the coin.  

Others in the forum here have indicated that other exchanges may open to facilitate trade in these coins. You may not be holding worthless coins you may just have to wait for another exchange. You could even operate one yourself or do 'over the counter' trades in forums and IRC. If you're worried that your coins are worthless do something about it and make them worth something.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: mizerydearia on October 04, 2011, 03:06:29 AM
Now, the exchange suddenly closed and i have some Bitcoins and many worthless Ixcoins.
I don't think one or more exchanges set the value (community members that use the exchange platforms do) and the disappearance of one or more (or all) of the exchanges has any affiliation with actual worth or valuation.  Instead the disappearance of one or more *coin-holding community members have affiliation with actual worth or valuation.  Putting pressure or blame towards those one or more exchanges (which are not the source for the items exchanged) seems like a misdirected effort.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 03:20:47 AM
I have an idea; why not set the confirmation limit to a 1000, i know it would be insane, but i perfer to have to up running; with 10 days to deposit; then having it shutdown.

And if a double spending attack occurs; you can prevent it giving you enough time, please give some thought.

I don't want to see i0coin die completely.

If its not enough, put 2000; for everyone using it you still make money, from the fee.
So you shouldn't completely kill it.

Why not make the bitcoin withdraws all manual checks from you?
Some do that; and manually check, make it a 24 hour withdraw on bitcoins,
Make it take 24 hours.

Or something.

Just some ideas, please consider it. Thanks

If you do get it back up with these; i will donate 5BTC...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 03:27:09 AM
I have an idea; why not set the confirmation limit to a 1000, i know it would be insane, but i perfer to have to up running; with 10 days to deposit; then having it shutdown.

This won't work if someone has the majority of hash power. They can always rewrite the chain, they just need to wait. The higher confirmation just makes it harder for someone with less than 50% of the hash rate. i0/ixcoin make it even easier due to the time travel exploit not being fixed and the lack of an active developer/maintainer to set checkpoints regularly.

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Why not make the bitcoin withdraws all manual checks from you?
Some do that; and manually check, make it a 24 hour withdraw on bitcoins,
Make it take 24 hours.

This would be a significant manual effort and not something I want to do. It'll also raise complaints if I refuse a withdraw due to suspicious activity and then get hammered for it on the forums.

I didn't want to close the exchange. But I had to given the existing situation. What i0/ixcoin needs for exchanges to safely operate are:

* More hash power
* An active maintainer of the software
* Fix the time travel exploit
* Regular checkpoints added to the software



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 03:41:28 AM
maybe increase the fee to like 1.5% on both sides; i would still use it.

But yeah you do have good points on that.
And manual check ups with denying of btc for suspicious activity
would lead to been hammered on fourms.

You do have to note; that a lot of people are trolls.
I would just ignore it and get it back up.

Things i would put in
-------------------
-1.5% fee both sides
-72 hour manual check up(less work then 24)
-500 confirmation blocks
-Ban any IP for suspicious activity; the ones who stole 192BTC permanently ban them, If you do
this to all of the small amount of people who does this, then they will be eliminated.


You do have the power to ban anyone; you are the host of it; you are in complete control; just put
stricter harsher rules. And ignore the trolls on the fourm


My 5btc offer is still up.


You do have to note, that this is a very few amount of people, with these fees, i am sure you can pull a profit
And stricter rules; and perhaps my 5btc will help you get there a little faster.
As soon as i see it up; i will donate to you.

I have 3 giga hash, so once this is back up i can throw my rigs on to i0coins, making the hashing network even more powerful.
Should help a bit.



 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on October 04, 2011, 03:44:15 AM
maybe increase the fee to like 1.5% on both sides; i would still use it.

But yeah you do have good points on that.
And manual check ups with denying of btc for suspicious activity
would lead to been hammered on fourms.

You do have to note; that a lot of people are trolls.
I would just ignore it and get it back up.

Things i would put in
-------------------
-1.5% fee both sides
-72 hour manual check up(less work then 24)
-500 confirmation blocks
-Ban any IP for suspicious activity; the ones who stole 192BTC permanently ban them, If you do
this to all of the small amount of people who does this, then they will be eliminated.


You do have the power to ban anyone; you are the host of it; you are in complete control; just put
stricter harsher rules. And ignore the trolls on the fourm


My 5btc offer is still up.

 

Read up on TOR, brother.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 03:49:47 AM
Read up on TOR, brother.
Yes, this is the issue with IP banning. I used to IP ban people with suspicious activity but they just moved to TOR. The people who did the double spend used TOR.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 03:50:15 AM
Then put a 10% fee or something, make it really high.

hmm, well i guess i0coin is dead.
I don't think there is a way around this


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: JoelKatz on October 04, 2011, 04:24:19 AM
I have not asked or imposed on anyone to cover my losses.
I agree. But you could if you wanted to. If you were helping the community, it's entirely possible the community would be willing to help you in return. But you can't make your customers cover your losses -- I hope you agree with that.

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The withdrawal fee has always been there. Users of the exchange were able to see the fee and choose to deposit or not knowing that there's a fee to withdraw. That fee is solely there to cover the network transaction fee for sending and receiving coins. Knowing a fee exists the risk is upon the user that if circumstances require them to withdraw they need to pay that fee.
Except their circumstances don't require them to withdraw, *yours* do. My argument is since it's your circumstances that are compelling them to withdraw, you should cover the fee.

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In a previous comment you raise an analogy of early termination charges on insurance policies. The withdrawal fee here is not an 'early termination' fee. It's a fee to cover what the bitcoin network charges for transferring money and has been charged always - whether 'terminating early' or not.
Right, but you are forcing them to terminate early. Otherwise, for example, they may have changed the Bitcoins to Ixcoins and avoided the withdrawal fee. It is your action that is making them incur the fee.

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You are making it sound like I'm charging a fee to recoup losses. This is not the case.
I agree. I'm not sure what I said that implied that you were charging a fee to recoup losses. (I think it may have been places where I was refuting arguments that you did not make, and likely would not agree with, for example when someone suggested that you opened the exchange to help the community and therefore it's okay to compel individuals to help you in return.)

Let me try another analogy. Say you and I had made a deal to exchange a $100 cashier's check for a bicycle. I get the cashier's check, costing myself $5. When I go to buy the bicycle, you say you changed your mind and are no longer willing to sell it. Should you reimburse me the $5?

I grant that the $5 is not a fee you are charging, it's a fee my bank charged for the cashier's check. But your promise induced me to incur that fee, and it is you who are defaulting on that promise.

Now, to be clear, I am not saying this is a big deal and you are a cheater or scammer if you don't make withdrawals free. It's a very small deal, and I realize that reasonable people can differ. But my opinion is that those fees are part of your losses, and you should not pass them on to your customers. You forced the customers to incur those charges by compelling them to withdraw when otherwise they may not have done so. It is equivalent to a fee for terminating an agreement early where you are compelling them to terminate early.

That's my opinion, you are free to disagree.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on October 04, 2011, 04:45:52 AM
More like a $100 check and a five cent fee.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 05:42:35 AM
Doublec I thought of something, What if you make it; that if someone wants to do a transaction over 10BTC you manually check yourself; not everyone does this; so it wouldn't be as much work.

And if someone spams 5btc or something then you can check that and halt it.
Just a thought; so next time when this double spending attack occurs;
it will be only 10btc or so; and not 192BTC.

For any withdraws over 10BTC you check yourself.
It will cut like 95% of work. And it should be possible.

And a 48 hour withdraw as well; make that automatic, and over 10btc manual;
And if someone spams, you should be easily able to see yourself; and 48 hours is reasonable.

Maybe this will work?

I still have 5btc donation offer; if you get the i0coin bitparking exchange back up.


Or make a daily withdrawal limit; like 10BTC and if i go over it; you manually check yourself to see if its legit or a attack.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on October 04, 2011, 06:13:14 AM
Doublec I thought of something, What if you make it; that if someone wants to do a transaction over 10BTC you manually check yourself; not everyone does this; so it wouldn't be as much work.

And if someone spams 5btc or something then you can check that and halt it.
Just a thought; so next time when this double spending attack occurs;
it will be only 10btc or so; and not 192BTC.

For any withdraws over 10BTC you check yourself.
It will cut like 95% of work. And it should be possible.

And a 48 hour withdraw as well; make that automatic, and over 10btc manual;
And if someone spams, you should be easily able to see yourself; and 48 hours is reasonable.

Maybe this will work?

I still have 5btc donation offer; if you get the i0coin bitparking exchange back up.


Or make a daily withdrawal limit; like 10BTC and if i go over it; you manually check yourself to see if its legit or a attack.

I think DoubleC doesn't stay up 24/7...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 10:40:28 AM
For any withdraws over 10BTC you check yourself.
...
Or make a daily withdrawal limit; like 10BTC and if i go over it; you manually check yourself to see if its legit or a attack.
This doesn't work in the presence of a >51% attacker either. This is one example of how an attack works:

1) Start mining from the current block but don't publish the blocks to the network.
2) Make a deposit.
3) Don't include your deposit transaction in the fork you are mining in (1) but include all others.
4) When the deposit clears trade for bitcoins.
5) Withdraw bitcoins.
6) When the bitcoin withdraw succeeds, publish your forked chain.
7) Since the new fork doesn't include your deposit you can repeat from (1) re-using the coins in the transaction you didn't include in the fork.

It doesn't matter how long I delay the withdrawal in (5) since they can wait as long as needed before doing (6). The only thing that upsets their plans is if the network hash rate increases and their fork is no longer the winning fork. But that's still no loss to them since they still have the bitcoins. They can buy more alternate coins and repeat until they succeed. This attack can easily be automated.

This is difficult to spot for exchanges unless they're monitoring chain reorg's and then check all transactions in the new chain. Even then it's too late and the bitcoins are gone and can't be recovered. If the exchange doesn't notice then at some point they run out of bitcoins and wonder why. The I0Coin exchange was monitoring chain reorg's but unfortunately I didn't catch on to what was happening until the 4th attempt or so due to me traveling and not being able to analyze it in detail.

Tying an exchange user to a verified identity would help since then the exchange user has to come up with verified identities to keep cheating the system, assuming the exchange bans accounts when it notices missing transactions after a chain reorg.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 02:17:54 PM
What are thoughts on this possible fix for the issues of having an exchange safely operate in a low hash rate system. Centralize the block chain around the exchange.

The exchange can broadcast a message, signed by a private key, that contains the latest checkpoint that the exchange wants to lock in. It broadcasts this message whenever it confirms a deposit (ie. a deposit reaches the number of confirmation blocks the exchange requires).  Nodes then automatically get updated with the block chain the exchange is using and refuse reorganizations beyond this check point.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: EskimoBob on October 04, 2011, 03:28:28 PM
Where did all my i0coins go from i0exchange.bitparking.com?



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: sd on October 04, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
What are thoughts on this possible fix for the issues of having an exchange safely operate in a low hash rate system. Centralize the block chain around the exchange.

The exchange can broadcast a message, signed by a private key, that contains the latest checkpoint that the exchange wants to lock in. It broadcasts this message whenever it confirms a deposit (ie. a deposit reaches the number of confirmation blocks the exchange requires).  Nodes then automatically get updated with the block chain the exchange is using and refuse reorganizations beyond this check point.

Do that and you fix one problem at the cost of no longer having a peer-2-peer currency. The exchanges should not be trusted any more than anyone else.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: twobits on October 04, 2011, 05:45:50 PM
What are thoughts on this possible fix for the issues of having an exchange safely operate in a low hash rate system. Centralize the block chain around the exchange.

The exchange can broadcast a message, signed by a private key, that contains the latest checkpoint that the exchange wants to lock in. It broadcasts this message whenever it confirms a deposit (ie. a deposit reaches the number of confirmation blocks the exchange requires).  Nodes then automatically get updated with the block chain the exchange is using and refuse reorganizations beyond this check point.



My initial thoughts:

It should be a new blockchain if it is tried out.  It would be preferable to somehow have it be a confederacy of exchanges and/or maybe pools so it is not totally dependent on one site.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on October 04, 2011, 09:14:14 PM
ixcoins and i0coins could be worthless - that should not be a surprise to anyone, it is a high risk area to play in and no one should be upset over the loss (or perceived loss).  I have some coins, even some SC 1.0's and namecoins sitting around somewhere, and will probably never do anything with them. 

DoubleC isn't forcing anyone to withdraw their coins, and if someone wanted to pay his costs of keeping the exchange open (but not trading), then the coins could sit there, but that doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 11:22:27 PM
It should be a new blockchain if it is tried out.  It would be preferable to somehow have it be a confederacy of exchanges and/or maybe pools so it is not totally dependent on one site.
Right, I'm throwing out ideas for low hash rate chains moreso than 'fix i0coin'. I agree about a confederacy of exchanges/pools. Maybe have some way of all nodes voting to accept the message? Currently a low number of nodes with large hash power have a big impact on what gets accepted on the network. It'd be nice to be able to move this to all nodes somehow.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 04, 2011, 11:23:17 PM
Where did all my i0coins go from i0exchange.bitparking.com?
it's hard to answer this without more information. Are you saying your balance is lower than you thought? If so email admin@bitparking.com with details.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on October 04, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
Personally I wouldn't at all mind if exchanges ran pools to protect the network.
Without exchanges coins are essentially useless, so making some concessions to ensure usefulness (read:  profit) makes sense to me.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on October 05, 2011, 08:26:44 AM
i0coin is up to 16 giga hash; and it is going up. Doublec you said if enough hash rate u will put it back up;
it is doubled of 8.

And more and more is joining. Get it up.
We all want it back.

Its 17.7 giga hash now
http://allchains.info/


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on October 05, 2011, 05:29:15 PM
i0coin is up to 16 giga hash; and it is going up. Doublec you said if enough hash rate u will put it back up;
it is doubled of 8.

And more and more is joining. Get it up.
We all want it back.

Its 17.7 giga hash now
http://allchains.info/

It would need at least 100Gigahash to be anywhere in a safe zone...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: LoupGaroux on October 05, 2011, 05:59:54 PM
I think 100 Ghash could be setting the bar too low. The scumbag element could easily bot up or brute force mine 51% of that number too easily. We probably need to talk something on the order of a Thash or more to take it away from the jag bags.

That being said, its a commitment of 1 Ghash of mining from 1,000 miners. That ought to be doable. I remember seeing averages rates around 50+ over the past two weeks... who wants to throw down a Ghash? I'll dedicate one to the effort, let's see if we can't get a couple of hundred to show its worthwhile pursuing.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on October 05, 2011, 10:18:04 PM
Anyone have a link to the windows binary?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on October 06, 2011, 12:53:19 AM
I think 100 Ghash could be setting the bar too low. The scumbag element could easily bot up or brute force mine 51% of that number too easily. We probably need to talk something on the order of a Thash or more to take it away from the jag bags.

That being said, its a commitment of 1 Ghash of mining from 1,000 miners. That ought to be doable. I remember seeing averages rates around 50+ over the past two weeks... who wants to throw down a Ghash? I'll dedicate one to the effort, let's see if we can't get a couple of hundred to show its worthwhile pursuing.

You really think i0coin, started as a joke, is worth a whole terahash of processing power?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: tacotime on October 06, 2011, 12:57:44 AM
It's going up?  I have hundreds of these in a wallet on one of my backup drives


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: LoupGaroux on October 06, 2011, 02:55:13 AM

You really think i0coin, started as a joke, is worth a whole terahash of processing power?

Depends, if we have a whole lot of happy campers who are willing to devote the cycles to mining it, and an exchange where other happy campers are willing to trade for it, who is to say the joke hasn't adopted a life of its own? It's as legit as any of the other crypto-comedy-coins that we have out there, and if the common belief is that they will be trade-able, then we ought to do it at a level where ass-hats can't come in and screw it up with their desperate pleas for recognition by destroying it.

And my guess is that would be around a terahash.

I've thrown a Ghash or so at it for the past several hours few hours and now have several thousand more. Maybe I'm doubling down on a stupid move, or maybe I'm stealing candy from a kid. Time will tell.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on October 06, 2011, 02:59:29 AM
awww, if you start mining it, it'll make it harder for me (lol)

I do a little i0coin mining each day for fun - I see it as a random interval generator - time between blocks doing some solo-mining.  It might be worth nothing, or next to nothing. 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on October 06, 2011, 04:31:47 AM
I throw 3 giga hash all in; and plan on staying for a long time


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on October 06, 2011, 05:16:38 AM
i0coin is up to 16 giga hash; and it is going up. Doublec you said if enough hash rate u will put it back up;
it is doubled of 8.

And more and more is joining. Get it up.
We all want it back.

Its 17.7 giga hash now
http://allchains.info/

It would need at least 100Gigahash to be anywhere in a safe zone...

You'll need a lot more than 100GH /s to be safe. Me and ArtForz alone could 51% that in less than 30 minutes. A terahash at minimum to be anywhere near a safe zone. Don't forget about rouge pools.

~BCX~
http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scentedsalamander/images/Le%20Rouge.png

?  :D

Seriously though, you need a crapload of hashes to be safe.
Bitcoin itself may or may not be officially safe.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on October 06, 2011, 05:28:15 AM
Bitcoin is pretty damn safe unless someone has a spare 12 TH /s laying around. It would take a huge corporation to spend several million to put together a farm capable of knocking down BTC. Doable, but not likely.
... 12 at the present ... :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Bobnova on October 06, 2011, 06:10:13 AM
Wait till bitcoin reward cuts in half and see what the network strength does!
My guess?  Into the toilet with it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on October 06, 2011, 07:15:44 AM
Wait till bitcoin reward cuts in half and see what the network strength does!
My guess?  Into the toilet with it.
Well, in a few months power costs will cut in half ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bulanula on October 07, 2011, 10:10:33 PM
Wait till bitcoin reward cuts in half and see what the network strength does!
My guess?  Into the toilet with it.

Yup. You are 100% right. As soon as bitcoin stops being profitable people will quit like they are doing now.

As soon as the reward halfs to 25BTC the whole thing collapses ( that is if it does not collapse before that as prices fall back to <$1 levels in meantime ).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 08, 2011, 06:51:37 AM
jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY) appears to contain the coins that were used for double spending on the bitparking i0coin exchange. If you run an exchange and see a deposit coming from this address you know you're at risk from the double spender.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on October 08, 2011, 09:35:46 AM
jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY) appears to contain the coins that were used for double spending on the bitparking i0coin exchange. If you run an exchange and see a deposit coming from this address you know you're at risk from the double spender.

Why would this guy(s) use the same address again...
Do bankrobbers use the same car twice?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 08, 2011, 09:45:22 AM
Why would this guy(s) use the same address again...
Do bankrobbers use the same car twice?
If they want to re-use those coins, short of rewriting the blockchain again, they'd have to pull them from that address.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on October 10, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
Thread needs a bump.

Wanted, an idiot to buy 100,000 (pick a number) I0coins.  For sale, I0coins, just like Bitcoins, but with a 5% discount. 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 17, 2011, 02:10:40 AM
jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY) appears to contain the coins that were used for double spending on the bitparking i0coin exchange. If you run an exchange and see a deposit coming from this address you know you're at risk from the double spender.
55,000 i0coins seem to have been moved from this address to jXHTbPFRrMua2RAMUkPNniThu1qAmP3eGt (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/jXHTbPFRrMua2RAMUkPNniThu1qAmP3eGt). Anyone transacted that many i0coins recently?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on October 23, 2011, 06:12:27 AM
What block explorer are you using?
http://blockexplorer.sytes.net


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: MaGNeT on October 23, 2011, 12:12:38 PM
Thread needs a bump.

Wanted, an idiot to buy 100,000 (pick a number) I0coins.  For sale, I0coins, just like Bitcoins, but with a 5% discount. 

I offer 1 BTC.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on October 23, 2011, 05:15:22 PM
I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 10, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bulanula on November 10, 2011, 06:52:09 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.

What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on November 10, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.

What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !?

Nostalgia?  Actually, I don't know. 


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on November 10, 2011, 07:18:28 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.

What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !?

Nostalgia?  Actually, I don't know. 

I think they have become the preferred unit of currency in the gay club-drug scene.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: steelhouse on November 11, 2011, 05:45:50 AM
https://nodeload.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/tarball/master

http://i0.digbtc.net/

for compiled windows i0coin client


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 11, 2011, 07:41:18 AM
Yeap I got the i0coin client, easy to mine but problem is no one is supporting, no exchange nothing.

https://nodeload.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/tarball/master

http://i0.digbtc.net/

for compiled windows i0coin client


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on November 11, 2011, 05:20:32 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.

What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !?

Nostalgia?  Actually, I don't know.  

I think they have become the preferred unit of currency in the gay club-drug scene.
Yeap I got the i0coin client, easy to mine but problem is no one is supporting, no exchange nothing.

https://nodeload.github.com/fusebox/i0coin/tarball/master

http://i0.digbtc.net/

for compiled windows i0coin client

You're looking in the wrong place.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on November 11, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.

What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !?

Nostalgia?  Actually, I don't know. 

I think they have become the preferred unit of currency in the gay club-drug scene.

lol - well, if I every take up clubbing, drugs or become homosexual, I'll be sure to take my i0coins with me.  At the moment I'm 0 for 3.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: RandyFolds on November 11, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH :)

I offer 1.1 BTC.  Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.

What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !?

Nostalgia?  Actually, I don't know. 

I think they have become the preferred unit of currency in the gay club-drug scene.

lol - well, if I every take up clubbing, drugs or become homosexual, I'll be sure to take my i0coins with me.  At the moment I'm 0 for 3.

It's great...you just use an app on your phone, transfer some i0coin and BAM, a hipster on a fixie arrives and is slapping a bag of poppers and meth in your palm.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: PatrickHarnett on November 11, 2011, 10:44:12 PM

lol - well, if I every take up clubbing, drugs or become homosexual, I'll be sure to take my i0coins with me.  At the moment I'm 0 for 3.

It's great...you just use an app on your phone, transfer some i0coin and BAM, a hipster on a fixie arrives and is slapping a bag of poppers and meth in your palm.

Oh great, now I'm zero for 4, I'd have to get a phone that does apps - currently it makes phone calls. (yes it has other stuff, but it's a phone).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 13, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
I0C seems to be of interest of late, with more than 6 GH/s and difficulty of more than 100 now.  The last time I saw it was only about 20 in difficulty


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kjlimo on November 19, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/jLSn51oKE27uc9JJ74ccscyRdj3mnMTVAY) appears to contain the coins that were used for double spending on the bitparking i0coin exchange. If you run an exchange and see a deposit coming from this address you know you're at risk from the double spender.

Why would this guy(s) use the same address again...
Do bankrobbers use the same car twice?

yes, that's why the get caught...  robber's tend not to be 2 smart... it's why they have to rob...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 20, 2011, 12:58:17 AM
So far it is all talk and not much done to revive I0coin or Ixcoin :(


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 23, 2011, 03:40:07 AM
I made an attempt at fixing the following i0coin bugs:

* Fix for the timetravel/zeitgeist exploit. This is a block-forking change meaning that all clients must upgrade to this version. To enable time to update it turns on at block 150,000.
* Add a checkpoint at bock 127,360
* Remove the list of bitcoin DNS seed nodes
* Change the hardcoded i0coin seed nodes to the only active node I know of accepting connections
* Remove the outdated windows binaries included in the archive
* Changed the IRC code to use the lfnet server instead of freenode

Source (tarball and git repository) and details at http://i0coin.bitparking.com.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on November 23, 2011, 04:35:09 AM
Maybe this?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50741.msg622829#msg622829


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 23, 2011, 04:40:08 AM
Really cool of you. Just curious as to what brought on the desire to re-work I0C?
I was bored and got tired of reading "Please somebody fix i0coin" posts/emails.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 23, 2011, 05:13:41 AM
Anyone having the new windows binaries?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 23, 2011, 09:18:15 AM
Anyone having the new windows binaries?
I built the following: http://i0coin.bitparking.com/i0coin-win32-bin-v32502.zip

That includes the 'i0coin.exe' for the GUI and 'i0coind.exe' for the command line tool. I've only lightly tested it, downloading the blockchain successfully. Backup your wallet before running!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 23, 2011, 11:21:08 AM
Anyone having the new windows binaries?
I built the following: http://i0coin.bitparking.com/i0coin-win32-bin-v32502.zip

That includes the 'i0coin.exe' for the GUI and 'i0coind.exe' for the command line tool. I've only lightly tested it, downloading the blockchain successfully. Backup your wallet before running!

Thanks, it is downloading and mining fine!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 24, 2011, 09:37:47 AM
Anyone want to test merged mining with i0coin? I have a first cut at code, taken from the namecoin implementation, and a post explaining how to test it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50741.msg629411#msg629411).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on November 24, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
I don't have many coins but if you can get someone to fix it, I am willing to contribute what I have.

I have 165,000 i0coins I have mined and willing to donate to the chain if someone will fix it and an exchange opens.

I will contribute 5 BTC, 1000 IXC, and 1000 IOC if the reward is lowered to 1 or less (instead of 48).


Current Donations For development
---------------------------------
165K i0coin (BitcoinEXpress)
100K i0coin (Lightlord)
1000 ixc (Steelhouse)
1000 i0c (Steelhouse)
250 solidcoin (Lightlord)
5.0 btc (Steelhouse)
2.5 btc (Lightlord)






Well post your address and take your price, I need Bitcoin, solidcoin and i0coin.

And will all my 300K i0coins be worth anything? Or be on a separate block chain
And have only zero? It be good if you did the same thing as solidcoin 2.0;
and Pre-mined and give me what i had.

As I mined over 300K hoping it would one day be worth something



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 24, 2011, 01:41:50 PM
Well post your address and take your price, I need Bitcoin, solidcoin and i0coin.

Thanks!

Bitcoin: 1NpNGkLxyWRHNeb9wvq2AATKWcEtsTRZsL
i0coin: jWqLauZXfF3PVVZDhjNqZLZk7voG2CAofi
Solidcoin: I don't run the solidcoin client so don't need this, thanks though

And will all my 300K i0coins be worth anything? Or be on a separate block chain
And have only zero? It be good if you did the same thing as solidcoin 2.0;
and Pre-mined and give me what i had.

As I mined over 300K hoping it would one day be worth something
When merged mining is activated it'll be on a fork of the main blockchain. This means your existing i0coins will be valid and will work. I'll do some more testing then look at having merge mining switch on at a set block number, similar to the way I've set the timetravel exploit fix to activate.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on November 24, 2011, 02:01:14 PM
Doublec: will you also reopen your i0coin exchange after block 150.000 ?

Brat


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 24, 2011, 02:23:40 PM
Doublec: will you also reopen your i0coin exchange after block 150.000 ?
I will probably do something if another exchange doesn't. Whether it's the old exchange, or something a little different, I'm not sure yet. If it was the old exchange it'd require merge mining to be active, and for a healthy hash rate distribution.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DutchBrat on November 24, 2011, 02:24:43 PM
Sounds like a good plan !

Thanks for your efforts !


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: bulanula on November 24, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
So what are you MM this scamchain with ? Ixcoin ?

How you plan to stop 51% attacks with such low hashrate and open exchange ?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on November 25, 2011, 02:42:14 AM
Well post your address and take your price, I need Bitcoin, solidcoin and i0coin.

Thanks!

Bitcoin: 1NpNGkLxyWRHNeb9wvq2AATKWcEtsTRZsL
i0coin: jWqLauZXfF3PVVZDhjNqZLZk7voG2CAofi
Solidcoin: I don't run the solidcoin client so don't need this, thanks though

And will all my 300K i0coins be worth anything? Or be on a separate block chain
And have only zero? It be good if you did the same thing as solidcoin 2.0;
and Pre-mined and give me what i had.

As I mined over 300K hoping it would one day be worth something
When merged mining is activated it'll be on a fork of the main blockchain. This means your existing i0coins will be valid and will work. I'll do some more testing then look at having merge mining switch on at a set block number, similar to the way I've set the timetravel exploit fix to activate.

Doubt 100K i0coins will be worth anything; I feel u need something more worth and value,
As the currency has been brought back to life multiple times.
Sending you 7.5btc and 750 solidcoin, and 10K i0coins instead
300% more btc and 300% more solidcoin.

if i0coin value of lets say 0.0001 that will only be 10btc.

Sending 5more btc and 500 more solidcoin, thats 13btc or so.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on November 25, 2011, 02:50:05 AM
Hm i sent 15btc instead of 7.5btc, application bugged out, and two mouse click input must of been read.
Never mind, I saw the I won't take solidcoin

I0coin, bitcoin been sent.

Keep the 15btc from me as.
I changed the donation, 100K i0coin to 10K i0coin.
And you can keep the 200% more btc.

Wiling to take more risks, even though i0coin restarted 3 times,
You get no risk, and full value

Best regards





Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 25, 2011, 03:01:45 AM
Wiling to take more risks, even though i0coin restarted 3 times,
You get no risk, and full value
Awesome, thanks, much appreciated!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kjlimo on November 25, 2011, 06:45:08 AM
Anyone having the new windows binaries?
I built the following: http://i0coin.bitparking.com/i0coin-win32-bin-v32502.zip

That includes the 'i0coin.exe' for the GUI and 'i0coind.exe' for the command line tool. I've only lightly tested it, downloading the blockchain successfully. Backup your wallet before running!

Thanks, it is downloading and mining fine!

Is the 'i0coin.exe' an actual GUI?  If so, that's awesome. 

As for merged mining, that's cool, too.  Thanks for your developments!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kjlimo on November 25, 2011, 06:50:18 AM
Anyone having the new windows binaries?
I built the following: http://i0coin.bitparking.com/i0coin-win32-bin-v32502.zip

That includes the 'i0coin.exe' for the GUI and 'i0coind.exe' for the command line tool. I've only lightly tested it, downloading the blockchain successfully. Backup your wallet before running!

Thanks, it is downloading and mining fine!

Is the 'i0coin.exe' an actual GUI?  If so, that's awesome. 

As for merged mining, that's cool, too.  Thanks for your developments!

Woot, I went for it.  It's a real GUI that looks just like bitcoin's GUI.  Good stuff!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 25, 2011, 11:44:07 AM
A new version, 32504, with source and windows binaries is available at http://i0coin.bitparking.com. This version has the following changes:

* Add a checkpoint at block 131,130
* Merge patch from bitcoin to fix issues with database writes in the presence of lots of transactions
* Add merged mining support, ported from the namecoin implementation

The database writes patch fixes an issue that came up when the solidcoin 1 chain was under pressure from specially crafted transactions. I cherry-picked the bitcoin fix for the problem.

The merged mining code pulls in the changes I made to enable merged mining. I haven't activated support for i0coin as an auxiliary chain yet as this requires forking the block chain. After a bit more testing I'll pick a block number to activate and provide another update. In the meantime you can test this on the testnet, or use it as a primary chain to mine namecoins at the same time on the main net. See this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50741.msg630355#msg630355) for how to do that.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: pent on November 25, 2011, 01:29:01 PM
A new version, 32504, with source and windows binaries is available at http://i0coin.bitparking.com. This version has the following changes:

* Add a checkpoint at block 131,130
* Merge patch from bitcoin to fix issues with database writes in the presence of lots of transactions
* Add merged mining support, ported from the namecoin implementation

The database writes patch fixes an issue that came up when the solidcoin 1 chain was under pressure from specially crafted transactions. I cherry-picked the bitcoin fix for the problem.

The merged mining code pulls in the changes I made to enable merged mining. I haven't activated support for i0coin as an auxiliary chain yet as this requires forking the block chain. After a bit more testing I'll pick a block number to activate and provide another update. In the meantime you can test this on the testnet, or use it as a primary chain to mine namecoins at the same time on the main net. See this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50741.msg630355#msg630355) for how to do that.
doublec, please check your PM


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 25, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
Diverting some of my mining to i0coin, I do believe it can be resurrected.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kjlimo on November 25, 2011, 02:51:59 PM
Diverting some of my mining to i0coin, I do believe it can be resurrected.

Ditto.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 25, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
Is there anyway to do merged mining on windows?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on November 25, 2011, 09:16:07 PM
I guess you could just add 2 sets of MM data into Bitcoin - one for namecoin and one for i0coin (after the namecoin data in the coinbase ... assuming namecoin MM ignores the data after it?)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caish5 on November 26, 2011, 02:45:23 AM
None of the text renders for me in the linux gui. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, anyone know why?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 27, 2011, 03:07:37 AM
Is there anyway to do merged mining on windows?
Merged mining should work fine on Windows. Use the windows binaries from http://i0pool.bitparking.com and start i0coin.exe with the "-server" command line option, or run the non-gui version i0coind.exe instead. Install Python for windows and use that to run the merged mining proxy, same as the linux command to run it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 27, 2011, 03:08:13 AM
Merged mining kills the building of it on OS X the version 32502 works fine.
I pushed a fix to the git repository just now for this. Let me know if it works for you.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on November 27, 2011, 04:07:28 AM
Is there anyway to do merged mining on windows?
Merged mining should work fine on Windows. Use the windows binaries from http://i0pool.bitparking.com and start i0coin.exe with the "-server" command line option, or run the non-gui version i0coind.exe instead. Install Python for windows and use that to run the merged mining proxy, same as the linux command to run it.

I tried Python on Windows to run the merge mining proxy, somehow it gives errors, if you have the time, can give the steps?  Maybe I did something wrong.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 28, 2011, 09:56:30 AM
None of the text renders for me in the linux gui. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, anyone know why?
What version of wxWidgets are you using? 2.9,1 exhibits that problem I think. Try 2.9.2.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: caish5 on November 28, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
I have 2.92 installed.
I get a pango warning about all font fallbacks failing when running from a terminal.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on November 29, 2011, 03:08:50 PM
DoubleC, will you be opening an exchange at block 150,000? On bitparking?



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on November 29, 2011, 04:17:33 PM
What's going to happen to all the legacy i0coins?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on November 29, 2011, 04:43:19 PM
What's going to happen to all the legacy i0coins?

It will be in some one's wallet, until he/she moves it to some other wallet.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 29, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
I guess you could just add 2 sets of MM data into Bitcoin - one for namecoin and one for i0coin (after the namecoin data in the coinbase ... assuming namecoin MM ignores the data after it?)

It does because coinbase field also contains the "extra nonce".  My understanding is that Bitcoin supports multiple chains.

You simply need a poolserver capable of generating the proper multi-chain block header, miners willing to mine it, and each individual chain understanding what it is looking for inside the coinbase field.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: steelhouse on November 29, 2011, 07:51:07 PM
I sent you doublec 1000 ioc.  However, if you read my post, the 5 btc and rewards were if you lowered the reward from 48 to 1 within the near future.  The reason to make a coin different than btc or nmc with merged mining.  I can't seem to mine with the new client, it crashes when I find a block. 

Nasakioto wants someone to convert ixcoin into merged mining and has also offered a bounty for someone to do so.  I have a bounty for ixc too.  However, I would be extremely happy if one of these coins became a true low inflation cryptocurrency with a 1 block reward. 

But I offer to you 15 BTC if you change the reward such that on or before block 300,000 for ioc or block 100,000 for ixc the reward drops to 1 permanently.  I would also prefer a mandatory automatic transaction fee to prevent attacks and control size.  Also there must be a pool that exists to merge mine btc, nmc, ixc, and ioc all at once before reward is paid and be pretty sure everyone switched and on the new block.

The ixc offered in my ixc reward will still exists, but the 5 BTC is now the new 15 BTC reward.

So either (96 to 1 for ixc) or (48 to 1 for ioc) with merged mining and a pool for 15 BTC.

Dilution is not the solution to pollution.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 29, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
DoubleC, will you be opening an exchange at block 150,000? On bitparking?
See my reply (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.msg629573#msg629573) to a similar question. I haven't yet pushed the version that enables merged mining so it's unlikely that the chain will get any great amount of hash power until that goes through. I'll do that in a day or two, probably switching on at 160,000. I'm currently backporting a number of bitcoin bug fixes that have been done since the original i0coin was released.

It's possible to do an exchange earlier with some form of auto-checkpointing mechanism but that centralizes things around the exchange somewhat (ie. the exchange has control of what blockchain is the 'real' fork). I would imagine most people would be against that.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 29, 2011, 11:48:11 PM
What's going to happen to all the legacy i0coins?
If you have existing i0coins they will remain usable. This is not creating a new chain like SC 2 did to SC 1. It's operating from the existing blockchain.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 29, 2011, 11:55:34 PM
I sent you doublec 1000 ioc.  However, if you read my post, the 5 btc and rewards were if you lowered the reward from 48 to 1 within the near future.  The reason to make a coin different than btc or nmc with merged mining.  I can't seem to mine with the new client, it crashes when I find a block. 
Yes, I saw your request for a drop to the reward. I won't be changing i0coin since this changes the value of existing held coins. It would mean i0coin would effectively be a new coin with a large 'premine' given to people who mined previously. My plan was to fix i0coin bugs, implement merged mining, but leave the generation rate, transaction fees, and values as they are since they are what gives a coin variant its identity. Plus I'd like to avoid the claims of arbitrary changing of values by a 'coin dictator'.

For ixcoin you should contact the coin creator with your idea of dropping the rate. If they agree I'd be willing to provide the patches, a pool, etc. I'd be interested in seeing what a slower generation coin does. Current coins seem to have more coins available than people need to use since their is very little non-trading usage of them. Since ixcoin already has a premine and a 'controller' it may not be so bad to change things.

Now that merge mining exists a possibly better approach for these "lets change a coin's features" requests is to create a new chain starting with no premine with the new features. Merge mine it with existing coins. Provide an exchange to trade between new coin and old coin, and see how they go.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 30, 2011, 04:52:37 AM
It does because coinbase field also contains the "extra nonce".  My understanding is that Bitcoin supports multiple chains.
I've tested merge mining bitcoin as the primary chain (using namecoin patches for getworkaux implementation), with i0coin and namecoin as auxiliary chains and all three chains merge mined producing blocks (on testnet for the chains).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on November 30, 2011, 06:17:30 AM
I guess you could just add 2 sets of MM data into Bitcoin - one for namecoin and one for i0coin (after the namecoin data in the coinbase ... assuming namecoin MM ignores the data after it?)

It does because coinbase field also contains the "extra nonce".  My understanding is that Bitcoin supports multiple chains.

You simply need a poolserver capable of generating the proper multi-chain block header, miners willing to mine it, and each individual chain understanding what it is looking for inside the coinbase field.
Actually - technically, bitcoin doesn't directly support merged mining.
What actually happens is that it doesn't care what is in coinbase and thus supports anyone who wants to put whatever they like in there.
i.e. no bitcoin code change was required for merged mining except the ability to tell bitcoind the replacement coinbase value rather than the one it puts there but never validates or looks at it's value
( quite a few of the scamcoin chains have a single block with the coinbase saying 'Kano' coz I felt like it :) )
How this was actually implemented in bitcoind was via the new function (getmemorypool) that allows you to tell bitcoind the entire block rather than just the hash
(odd decision that one ...)

The 'extra nonce' is not of interest to bitcoin in any way since the 'nonce' field is actually a specific field in the block and part of the hash ('extra nonce' isn't)
Thus the reason that MM works is that bitcoin doesn't care :)


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on November 30, 2011, 07:06:04 AM
I'm still running client 0.3.25 beta I think.  Is that still valid, or do we have to download the new build?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 30, 2011, 07:09:33 AM
I've released source and windows binaries for i0coin version 32506 at http://i0coin.bitparking.com/. This version  backports a bunch of fixes from recent bitcoin versions. The most important change however is it enables merged mining as a auxiliary chain on block 160,000. This is a required upgrade before block 160,000, otherwise you'll be left on the wrong side of a fork. This completes the set of bug fixes and merge mining enabling I set out to do so will hopefully be the last 'required upgrade', except for emergency bug fixes.

Hopefully with merged mining, and a stronger hash rate, exchanges and merchants can have some confidence in the coin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 30, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
I'm still running client 0.3.25 beta I think.  Is that still valid, or do we have to download the new build?
You will need to download the new build before block 150,000 if you are running older than 0.3.25.4, or block 160,000 if you are running 0.3.25.4 itself (this is reported as 32504 in the 'version' field of the 'getinfo' RPC call in the command line client. Latest version is 32506).


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on November 30, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
I'm still running client 0.3.25 beta I think.  Is that still valid, or do we have to download the new build?
You will need to download the new build before block 150,000 if you are running older than 0.3.25.4, or block 160,000 if you are running 0.3.25.4 itself (this is reported as 32504 in the 'version' field of the 'getinfo' RPC call in the command line client. Latest version is 32506).
So that covers everything but an exchange :)
... looks up at the bounties ...
Well there certainly is some incentive for an exchange
and no one has said if they are willing to pay any of the bounties without an exchange since when I asked that before ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 30, 2011, 10:15:22 AM
So that covers everything but an exchange :)
Right, I'm sure one will come when block 150,000 or 160,000 ticks over if not before.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 30, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
Here's a fun feature included in the latest version of i0coin (32506) (http://i0coin.bitparking.com) as a result of the patches I cherry-picked from the recent bitcoin releases. It's khal's patch to sign and verify messages using bitcoin addreses (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6428.0). If you're the owner of an address you can sign a message with the private key.  Anyone can verify the message is from you by calling 'verifymessage' passing it the address and the result of the sign operation. This is a way of confirming a message comes from someone controlling a particular address. Examples:

Code:
$ i0coind getnewaddress
jMq8wkYNByEqBtcUo5CaWq2mrxuRgyVHWB

$ i0coind signmessage jMq8wkYNByEqBtcUo5CaWq2mrxuRgyVHWB "Hello World"
HL2fs5IirODMtZCCAF9Vqgz5ZPpcmqNWgy7cnl50OlkoYvOC7gLlIqD4Z3Acmuu+idOQoRRo2DmEl9z/MCnnR8Q=

$ i0coind verifymessage jMq8wkYNByEqBtcUo5CaWq2mrxuRgyVHWB HL...MCnnR8Q= "Hello World"
true

$ i0coind verifymessage jMq8wkYNByEqBtcUo5CaWq2mrxuRgyVHWB HL...MCnnR8Q= "Hello"
false

$ i0coind verifymessage jaQ4X3vVN41TaYpicQx7YemmvJWoXEscwS HL...MCnnR8Q= "Hello World"
false

This has uses in having a signed contract in exchange for funds transfer. Or if someone claims ownership of an address (say to show how much money they have or to prove they committed some transfer) you can ask them to prove it by signing a message with the address.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on November 30, 2011, 01:24:17 PM
I've released source and windows binaries for i0coin version 32506 at http://i0coin.bitparking.com/. This version  backports a bunch of fixes from recent bitcoin versions. The most important change however is it enables merged mining as a auxiliary chain on block 160,000. This is a required upgrade before block 160,000, otherwise you'll be left on the wrong side of a fork. This completes the set of bug fixes and merge mining enabling I set out to do so will hopefully be the last 'required upgrade', except for emergency bug fixes.

Hopefully with merged mining, and a stronger hash rate, exchanges and merchants can have some confidence in the coin.

Good to hear I0coin is going for merged mining.

But to which other coin I0coin is going to be merged?
Already Namecoin is merged with Bitcoin.
Now another blockchain going to be created , so that I0coin be merged to bitcoin or name coin & bitcoin or to any other coin?

EDITED
oops, find out in OP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50741.msg630355#msg630355 that I0coin is going to merged with namecoin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on November 30, 2011, 01:30:54 PM
But to which other coin I0coin is going to be merged?
...
oops, find out in OP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50741.msg630355#msg630355 that I0coin is going to merged with namecoin.
i0coin can be merge mined with any other coin. It can be namecoin, bitcoin, or anything using the same hash algorithm. Each individual miner (or pool) can merge mine with whatever they want. it's not limited to one specific coin type. I gave namecoin as an example in the post you reference, not as 'this is the only coin you can merge mine with'. I hope that answers your question.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: dishwara on November 30, 2011, 01:31:24 PM
I found out in http://i0coin.bitparking.com/

2011-11-26
Source and windows binaries are available for version 32504 of i0coin. See the 'changes' selection below for full details. The main new thing is support for merged mining based on the namecoin implementation. Currently there is support for i0coin to be used as a 'parent' chain as this doesn't require a block chain fork. This will allow mining i0coin and namecoin at the same time (namecoin being the auxiliary chain). On i0coin testnet you can test using i0coin as an auxiliary chain. Once I'm happy with the stability of this I'll set a 'switch on' block for this to occur on the main blockchain, giving time for users to upgrade. Once auxiliary capability is turned on it will be possible to mine bitcoins and i0coins at the same time. See this forum post for details on using merged mining.

I think you typed bitcoin instead of bitcoin. Is it?


Edited

happy to hear I0coin can be merged & mined with any other coin.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: Mousepotato on November 30, 2011, 07:36:54 PM
I sent you doublec 1000 ioc.  However, if you read my post, the 5 btc and rewards were if you lowered the reward from 48 to 1 within the near future.  The reason to make a coin different than btc or nmc with merged mining.  I can't seem to mine with the new client, it crashes when I find a block.

It's already different.  50 coins per block vs. 48.  I'm not sure why you think changing the block reward would fix your problem, and I'm even further confused why you'd want a change that would affect all i0coin miners just to address an issue you're having.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 30, 2011, 07:50:54 PM
I sent you doublec 1000 ioc.  However, if you read my post, the 5 btc and rewards were if you lowered the reward from 48 to 1 within the near future.  The reason to make a coin different than btc or nmc with merged mining.  I can't seem to mine with the new client, it crashes when I find a block.

It's already different.  50 coins per block vs. 48.  I'm not sure why you think changing the block reward would fix your problem, and I'm even further confused why you'd want a change that would affect all i0coin miners just to address an issue you're having.

Simple he thinks that changing block reward from 48 to 1 will drive the price of existing coins up (artificial scarcity).  New miners will subsidize (via lower mining yields) those w/ large pre-existing holdings of older coins.  It is simply a wealth transfer scheme.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: markm on December 01, 2011, 02:20:52 AM
Surely if merged mining happens, all clients have to know how to verify the work that was purportedly done, so all clients have to know how to get in touch with the parent chain to get the "proof of work". ???

So I do not get how everyone can choose some totally different chain to use as parent when they merged mine?

Surely they would at least be limited to choosing a parent chain that the majority of hash power worth of clients know how to look up the proofs on?

Otherwise I could claim I used some fictional chain of my own as parent, and not have it online to connect to anywhere. A client would not accept that would they? They would want to check the pparent blockchain to make sure it is itself a valid chain, that the purported proof happened on a part of it that has not been orphaned, and so on?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on December 01, 2011, 02:55:37 AM
Surely if merged mining happens, all clients have to know how to verify the work that was purportedly done, so all clients have to know how to get in touch with the parent chain to get the "proof of work". ???

So I do not get how everyone can choose some totally different chain to use as parent when they merged mine?

Surely they would at least be limited to choosing a parent chain that the majority of hash power worth of clients know how to look up the proofs on?

Otherwise I could claim I used some fictional chain of my own as parent, and not have it online to connect to anywhere. A client would not accept that would they? They would want to check the pparent blockchain to make sure it is itself a valid chain, that the purported proof happened on a part of it that has not been orphaned, and so on?

-MarkM-

In merged mining, you mine on the master chain.
It's the slave chain that must support merged mining - so BTC cannot be a slave chain
BTC does not directly support merged mining as I stated above:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.msg635148#msg635148
only indirectly.

Your pool is the software that sorts out how to convert your getwork answer into a second block for the slave chain, but your getwork answer is already a block for the master chain.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: markm on December 01, 2011, 04:40:17 AM
Yes but a client for a coin someone somewhere tried to merged-mine using some arbitrary parent could not verify that the parent chain actually accepted the work if they did not know how to connect to the parent chain and get from it the required evidence.

Someone said earlier you can use pretty much any chains, but I do not think that seems likely. I suspect the clients would have to know how to work with the specific parent chain that any merged miners use, otherwise they cannot validate the blocks that were merge-mined.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kjlimo on December 01, 2011, 06:25:26 AM
1) I agree that the person who wants 1 i0coin / block simply wants to make his coins scarce (worth more).

2) It's sounding like it may be possible to have both namecoin and i0coin merged with bitcoin?  Clearly that gives any new chain new hope to be much more secure in the event new chains are created with merged mining right off the bat.

And I think it would also increase bitcoin security, b/c everyone would be mining the "parent chain" (bitcoin)?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: steelhouse on December 01, 2011, 07:49:44 AM
1) I agree that the person who wants 1 i0coin / block simply wants to make his coins scarce (worth more).

2) It's sounding like it may be possible to have both namecoin and i0coin merged with bitcoin?  Clearly that gives any new chain new hope to be much more secure in the event new chains are created with merged mining right off the bat.

And I think it would also increase bitcoin security, b/c everyone would be mining the "parent chain" (bitcoin)?

1. Disclosure I have about 30K ioc and 50K ixc, to come up with the idea I would like a little bounty.  In the "ixcoin merged mining thread", it is up to nasakioto to keep his baby the way he wants it.  However, I suggest something different than bitcoin.  Otherwise I may ask fcisashita to make goldcoin.  I want to create a true deflationary currency.

2. yes and no because they are probably pools mining bitcoin already.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kjlimo on December 01, 2011, 07:54:54 AM
1) I agree that the person who wants 1 i0coin / block simply wants to make his coins scarce (worth more).

2) It's sounding like it may be possible to have both namecoin and i0coin merged with bitcoin?  Clearly that gives any new chain new hope to be much more secure in the event new chains are created with merged mining right off the bat.

And I think it would also increase bitcoin security, b/c everyone would be mining the "parent chain" (bitcoin)?

1. Disclosure I have about 30K ioc and 50K ixc, to come up with the idea I would like a little bounty.  In the "ixcoin merged mining thread", it is up to nasakioto to keep his baby the way he wants it.  However, I suggest something different than bitcoin.  Otherwise I may ask fcisashita to make goldcoin.  I want to create a true deflationary currency.

2. yes and no because they are probably pools mining bitcoin already.



1) I appreciate the disclosure.  "True deflationary" still needs a mechanism for dispersing the currency into the hands of people.  So just wait a few years, and the "inflation" problem of coins will go away.  No real way to launch us into that situation prematurely.  Otherwise, we're all sitting around with a ton of worthless coins.  There needs to be that balance to allow the project to develop in a more natural way.  I think bitcoin can be praised for that.

2) agreed, good point.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on December 01, 2011, 10:10:00 AM
Now who was it who used that excuse for increasing the value of his coins before? ... ah that's right RealSolid ...


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: markm on December 01, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
I just now added I0Coin to the exchange I am doing initial alpha testing of. This is the third coin type added, so far it thus offers exchanges between BTC, DVC, and I0C. YOu get to specify the granularity too, like buying/selling 1 at a time, 10 at a time, or whatever number you choose. Each granularity is treated as basically another market. Thus the market for buying 100 coins at a time might have a different price per coin than the market for buying only 1 at a time.

See the exchange / Open Transactions server's own thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53329.0

-MarkM-


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on December 01, 2011, 10:40:58 AM
I just now added I0Coin to the exchange I am doing initial alpha testing of.
How are you protecting against double spend attacks given the low hash rate and the fact that i0coin hasn't yet reached the block where the timetravel fix is enabled yet?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: worldinacoin on December 01, 2011, 11:21:27 AM
Can anyone merged mine using windows now?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: markm on December 01, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
I just now added I0Coin to the exchange I am doing initial alpha testing of.
How are you protecting against double spend attacks given the low hash rate and the fact that i0coin hasn't yet reached the block where the timetravel fix is enabled yet?

Does the timetravel thing let people undo historically archived before the last checkpoint or even before last umpteen checkpoints blocks?

I figured on only issuing Digi*coin tokens backed by coins that are in historic blocks that predate last checkpoint of their chain.

So if anyone screws with blockchains, an archived chain up to a checkpoint later than where the coins backing the tokens are can be redeployed once whatever their exploit was has been fixed.

Thus maybe allowing the tokens to be in some sense potentially safer than the coins that back them.

(SInce time travel might undo whole chain back to block one, but, once exploit is fixed, and for any newly set up clients that actually check the chain from scratch making sure all checkpoints are correct, the coins backing the tokens will be in the correct/valid blockchain as they always were.)

I only had maybe 7000 or so I0coins a few months ago, so will only issue up to 7000 DIgiI0C, until I am sure any coins I mined or received more recently have been checkpointed in the latest client releases.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: steelhouse on December 01, 2011, 06:26:16 PM
Now who was it who used that excuse for increasing the value of his coins before? ... ah that's right RealSolid ...

Even at 7 block reward, the inflation is still working on the SC price.  It was once 0.018 now it is 0.0095.  The economy can't really flourish, until you can save.  The owners of existing coins owe nothing to future miners, other than minimum fee to maintain the network.  Suppose you buy 1000 BTC for $1000 or sell a programming service for 100 BTC.  You don't want any future mining because it will dilute the value of the coins you worked or paid for.  If you go around the world and consider history, you will find the strongest economies and gdp growth always occur in countries with lowest inflation or deflation.   


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on December 01, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
Now who was it who used that excuse for increasing the value of his coins before? ... ah that's right RealSolid ...

Even at 7 block reward, the inflation is still working on the SC price.  It was once 0.018 now it is 0.0095.  The economy can't really flourish, until you can save.  The owners of existing coins owe nothing to future miners, other than minimum fee to maintain the network.  Suppose you buy 1000 BTC for $1000 or sell a programming service for 100 BTC.  You don't want any future mining because it will dilute the value of the coins you worked or paid for.  If you go around the world and consider history, you will find the strongest economies and gdp growth always occur in countries with lowest inflation or deflation.   

You forget the second reason for currency issuance.  Your currency has no value if people can't acquire it to pay you.  The nominal value of currency is immaterial.  Bitcoin could have been designed on the concept of entire monetary supply = 1 BTC. and each of the block rewards being 0.0000025 BTC each.  Today the price of the single BTC would be ~$18 million.

Bitcoin would still have the same rate of monetary inflation.  If you want to change the growth in the money supply you need to change the slope of the curve not the nominal value.

Cutting a block reward from 48 to 1 certainly does change the curve but there is no free lunch.  You are simply stealing buying power from future miners to increase the buying power of you pre-mined coins.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: steelhouse on December 02, 2011, 12:25:15 AM
You forget the second reason for currency issuance.  Your currency has no value if people can't acquire it to pay you.  The nominal value of currency is immaterial.  Bitcoin could have been designed on the concept of entire monetary supply = 1 BTC. and each of the block rewards being 0.0000025 BTC each.  Today the price of the single BTC would be ~$18 million.

Bitcoin would still have the same rate of monetary inflation.  If you want to change the growth in the money supply you need to change the slope of the curve not the nominal value.

Cutting a block reward from 48 to 1 certainly does change the curve but there is no free lunch.  You are simply stealing buying power from future miners to increase the buying power of you pre-mined coins.

If I had the option.  I wish 100% of the coins were pre-mined and the future mine rate was 0 per block.  Suppose someone created a coin with 100,000,000 pre-mined.  The owner of those 100,000,000 want to see the economy grow to make his coins worth more.  That coin would be worth nothing.   Then suppose he put some up for auction maybe 1,000,000 for $1.  A couple nerds buy.  Then a couple nerds set-up a business to do some programming for some coin.  Before you know it it gets on an exchange and it starts to have value.  maybe 0.0034 per BTC.  Suppose it seems to be traded FBX or TBX.   Each of these coins still trades 20 times a day at btc-e.  At this point all new mining hurts the price of the coin.  Without the mining the price would only be dependent on the number of users and trades.  Owners of coin like to see their coin go up.  If they don't think it will go up, they will sell it, only using the coin fiand when they need to.  I think I read an article where a Howard Johnson hotel accepted bitcoin as payment, but when they got the payment they immediately sold the bitcoin for usd.   They had no faith in the currency.   A dropping currency is sold and a rising currency is bought.  Suppose after a couple years the coin is now worth 2.3 BTC per coin.  Since the price rose, the people will want to hold it to delay gratification or to pool money to buy a larger ticket item.   

This is what happen to bitcoin.  The price hit $2 and since the price was rising people wanted it.  it rose to $20 due to supply and demand.  At that point the miners were making as much as the new money coming in.  When the hype money slowed the price of bitcoin dropped.  transactions per day slowed.  As it dropped, it dropped more and more as people sold due to the dropping price and the new mined coins added to the supply.  When it hit $2, new and old buyers came in and started buying again to equal the new mined supply.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 08:18:55 AM
Maybe make a existing amount in the network like 100K, and everyone can mine it, at a set rate of lets say 20 per block, and as soon as 100K is distributed out to everyone; it will never ever create anymore.

And once this is fully distributed, then create a fee for per transaction, and
the miners mine off the fees of transactions, so miners can still pull some from others.

This would be a interesting idea to work around.

Call these goldcoins (GC), or something idk

Just an idea.

How is the exchange going for i0coin? is it still be developed?
There is some miners on i0coin, so looks like some life.

And it will hit 150K in a couple days or a week or so.

Keep it going.

Add a icon to client, add some designs, and perhaps ideas.

And lets promote this thing!



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 08:34:20 AM
Goldcoins
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1) Set existing limit of 100K(Prevents Huge supplies and lowering of price if demand remains same)
2) Once fully distributed out, miners then mine off others transactions
3) Set block rate of 100
4) Difficulty adjustment of per 2 hours
5) Difficulty adjustments increase a maximum of 100% per 2 hours
This above difficulty adjustments will help to spread it to the rest
6) Difficulty drops of 10% is maximum( Helps to not have few people get such large amounts, rather helps to distribute more evenly)  
7) Early miners will be setting the price, like 5K for 0.1btc could be a starting price; and then 10 different people
may buy 500 each, and those may spread 500 into another 10 people, etc. (This will help to spread it to everyone; and anyone can buy it,
so if mining stops, there is always some on the market to grab, and this will be a trading currency. Aimed at the goal of having no supply increases, but keeping 100K existing forever, and no more. Bitcoin flaw is a continuing supply increase amount for years to come; resulting in inflation, and devaluation of currency. Goldcoin helps to spread in a quick time, and eliminate flaws.)

Natural trading through markets, will eventually spread it to the rest,
and a scarce amount of 100K, and a unique design, should make many
interested in this concept. No Centralization planed like solidcoin.
Meant to fully support the idea of it.

If someone truly spend the time this thing could be promoted.
And If a large amount of people lets say millions if achieved one day
wanted this, we could always deal with MGC, milliGoldcoins.
1 MGC= 0.0001 GC

Set up
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1) Make logos (Gold->Stable->Value)
2) Make Graphs pointing Bitcoin price crash to increasing supply
3) Promotion of client, logos, its own site. (Example: www.goldcoins.org)
4) Spread the word

The idea master of this is me. If someone wishes to build upon this and actually wants to promote this; you may use it if i receive a donation tab, on all clients, exchanges, and a 0.1% fee per block towards the idea master. (This is way less then Solidcoin 5% fees){0.001% fee is upon transactions once all 100K is given out}


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on December 02, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
The idea master of this is me. If someone wishes to build upon this and actually wants to promote this; you may use it if i receive 5K donation from the coder for the currency GC
How would the coder get 5K without premining? And if they did premine that'd be 5% of the total money supply. You might want to start a new thread on it if you want to get interest and discussion.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on December 02, 2011, 08:53:50 AM
How is the exchange going for i0coin? is it still be developed?
There is some miners on i0coin, so looks like some life.
markm posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36425.msg636942#msg636942) about an open transactions based exchange for i0coin which I believe is available now. I don't know how it works though as I haven't tried it. As you say block 150,000 is getting close for the timetravel fix and merge mining at block 160,000. I'm open to suggestions for changes to the client if you have any.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 09:01:12 AM
*The idea master of this is me. If someone wishes to build upon this and actually wants to promote this; you may use it if i receive a donation tab, on all clients, exchanges, and a 0.1% fee per block towards the idea master. (This is way less then Solidcoin 5% fees){0.001% fee is upon transactions once all 100K is given out}*

Updated set of rules.

This prevents no pre-mined, and 50 times less then solidcoin. Donation would be very small amounts, and some bucks would help me to put some effort into promoting Goldcoin as well.

Doublec, think you can code this?

And put a donation tab for yourself as well.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: doublec on December 02, 2011, 09:07:32 AM
*The idea master of this is me. If someone wishes to build upon this and actually wants to promote this; you may use it if i receive a donation tab, on all clients, exchanges, and a 0.1% fee per transaction towards the idea master. (This is way less then Solidcoin 5% fees){Decrease to 0.01% is agreed upon once all 100K is given out}*
How could the coder control what other exchanges and clients do? They can't force them to put a donation tab on their sites/programs. How do you deal with sites that don't do this?

The fee is 0.1% of what? The transaction amount? That's huge. Solidcoin doesn't take a fee from transactions AFAIK. Or do you mean of the 20 coins mined per block only?


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 09:09:10 AM
Talking about the blocks(Correcting what i said in GC post above)



-It was Updated to 100; to help spread it faster.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: kano on December 02, 2011, 09:09:33 AM
lightlord
How about ... go create a thread about your idea and see if anyone is interested.
It's off topic here so stop posting about it.


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 09:14:00 AM
well i0coin was getting changed, it was an idea that Doublec could create another currency called Goldcoins,
Lets faced it i0coin has restarted 3 times, I think people need a new currency!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 09:17:06 AM
OK it has been forwarded to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53547.0 If you are interested.



Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: lightlord on December 02, 2011, 09:48:11 AM
Hope to see i0coin alive as well. It seems work is being put into it, keep it up, and promote it.
And still some miners mining i0coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53547.0 (Completely changed from one above on this thread)
My above post, if interested in GoldCoin, this if promoted will end up separate, not to replace i0coin.

Keep i0coin going, and lets get it up and running. And good luck on the changes at block 150,000-160,000
And heard there is some alpha testing, more alive then ixcoin.
And a lot of time it has more hash rate then GG.

i0coin has 200% more hash rate then GG, and GG has exchange rate.
So i really see life in it keep up the good work!

And hopefully my donations from earlier and others put Doublec to some good work on this. To get things running. And hopefully an exchange!


Title: Re: New Ixcoin fork -> I0coin
Post by: markm on December 02, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
My Open Transactions server is only in "alpha testing" phase. The momeny a third party tried to inport a contract, connect, and use the thing we found glaring awful gotcha that had hardly been noticed by people testing only on machines they set up and doing their copy-paste routines themselves using habitual details of how the habitually perform such operations. (Do you usually copy/paste that the file's last line of text ends, or do you prefer to make sure you only copy-paste up to but not including the end of the last line (the invisible end, not the last non-whitespace character...)

All is currently waiting for release of a whitespace fix that hopefully will prevent different people's customs of how files end versus how/whether the last line of text in the file ever ends and whether the file starts with the first non-whitespace or may contain some initial whitespace.

This tiny detail can cause every contract-ID you compute do be different from the contract-ID everyone else out there computes.

I might have to discover a completely different ID for DigiI0coins, thus making all accounts that used to be about such coins to no longer be about the new "real correct" ID-identified DigiI0coins and so on.

Very alpha. Not quite the first time anyone tried using a client on one machine to talk to a server on a completely other machine out over the real internet, but possibly the first, probably among the first, test of completely different people trying to get one's client to work across the internet with someone else's server.

The test has shown that Open Transactions really does look good for the proposed tasks, we do right away though have to fix this ghastly stupid little whitespace gotcha to protect against different habits of copy-paste users so we can have everyone actually agree as to what the ID of a given contract should be / correctly is.


As to the initial distribution and the inflation due to minting not being complete yet stuff, my big problem all along with these alternates, and with BTC itself too, is the whole "lets not back them at all" approach.

I am going to try to convince the folks who wanted their own chains, such as GMC, GRF, UKB, CZB, NKL, etc etc etc, to just use Open Transactions for now to issue DigiGMC, DigiGRF, DigiUKB DigiCZB etc etc etc so as to get the currency into use in spite of blockchain vulnerability of low hash power chains problems and to get the value thei