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Title: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on May 09, 2018, 03:21:48 AM
Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Sellingaccs on May 09, 2018, 04:37:23 AM
someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive

Could you explain what do you mean with this? You don't seperately hit any "receive" or "accept" type of buttons if the transaction has already been sent/broadcasted to the network. An exception is that at least with the current client, you are able to create a custom request for a certain amount for example if receiving payments from different clients.

left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work.

Even if you have not synced the whole blockchain, the transaction should have been broadcasted within matter of seconds to the network. At that time mempool was pretty empty i guess, so it should have not been dropped from there either. However im not certain if the early clients did that as well, or if you had to sync the whole blockchain before sending. At least the current versions send them to nodes anyway.

When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.

Are you sure that he actually sent everything to you? Probably not if you cannot see it in your wallet nor any block explorer.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: bitperson on May 09, 2018, 04:40:59 AM
Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.
If someone sent bitcoins to one of your addresses and the transaction was mined onto the blockchain, the bitcoins are at your disposal if you still have the private key (or the mnemonic phrase). Whether your node happened to be online and synced doesn't matter. But if a reliable blockchain explorer shows an empty balance for the address, then the balance for that address is empty.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: LoyceV on May 09, 2018, 05:41:42 AM
Can anyone explain
This is your seventh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=1771764;sa=showPosts) topic on this subject. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.
Why don't you put all information in your first topic?


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on May 09, 2018, 05:59:19 AM
Can anyone explain
This is your seventh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=1771764;sa=showPosts) topic on this subject. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.
Why don't you put all information in your first topic?
No, not trolling LoyceV. I haven't found my wallet yet, I bought coins from someone and would like to know how things worked back then so I can try and find them on the drives. I have reasons why I couldn't get to the drives I have. But I read different things on here about how it worked back then. I didn't post everything together because they are different things that I'm trying to find out about. Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: nc50lc on May 09, 2018, 06:03:55 AM
After that "someone" sent you the transaction ID and you can confirm that it has confirmations with blockexplorers (blockchain.info) it's in that wallet, assuming that the address belongs to it.
You can take all the time in the world before syncing/opening that wallet again.

someone sent coins to the wallet address
If this actually happened back then, there's nothing else required to complete "that" transaction.
If the bitcoins isn't there after synchronization, either the transaction was dropped or it isn't the correct wallet.dat from 2010.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on May 09, 2018, 06:52:15 AM
Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: nc50lc on May 09, 2018, 07:08:51 AM
Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.
Use any online blockexplorer like blockchain.info (http://blockchain.info), enter the block number of the block you want to investigate (you can enter that transaction too).
All the transactions are included there (including the coinbase tx) along with the useful information:
  • Number Of Transactions
  • Timestamp/Received Time

If it was from 2010 (which you mentioned from your other threads), blocks at that time only consists of <10 transactions,
finding a particular tx wont be that hard.
You might wanna check #50001 (https://blockchain.info/block/000000001c920d495e1eeef2452b6d1c6c229a919b28196c103ecffebabee141) and above for transactions from 2010-04-10.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on May 09, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
Timestamp/Received Time
I think the reason I couldn't find it before was that I was searching dates in my time, it's probably all UTC. I'll try that thanks.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: LoyceV on May 09, 2018, 07:53:44 AM
Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.
If you don't have the txid, the address or the private key, there's no point in searching for the amount in any transaction.

I haven't found my wallet yet, I bought coins from someone and would like to know how things worked back then so I can try and find them on the drives. I have reasons why I couldn't get to the drives I have.
If you can't get to your wallet, none of the other things matter.

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But I read different things on here about how it worked back then. I didn't post everything together because they are different things that I'm trying to find out about.
I think it really helps if you put all information and questions together. Now it's bits and pieces everywhere.

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Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.
Yes. That's how blockchains work: transactions never disappear, and funds only move when someone makes a new transaction.

Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.
Download this list for all balances per address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=267618.msg35710820#msg35710820). Search for the amount you want, then search the addresses on a blockexplorer to find the date.
If it's a common balance, you can expect many hits. If it's something weird (like 1.13141533BTC), you'll get less false positives.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: HCP on May 09, 2018, 09:29:41 AM
Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address
If they actually did send the coins (and they haven't been moved since... the coins would still be attached to that address.


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... gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.
None of this makes any difference... you don't have to create a "receive request" or have your wallet online or synced or running... if the other party created, signed and broadcast a transaction to the network that was subsequently included in a block by a miner... then those coins are attached to that address.



Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: BitcoinFX on August 27, 2018, 08:09:41 PM
PM sent to @Oldnewbie.

Lots of inconsistencies here in what you have posted, so I thought it would be easier to move this here ...

BitcoinFX, can you pm or email me, I have a couple questions about back in 2010.

Your account email address is 'hidden' and if I PM you then I'm not sure you can respond due to your (current) newbie account status.

You are welcome to ask me what you want, thus I suggest we continue the conversation in your related thread topic here:
- https ://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3667157  ?


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on August 28, 2018, 05:16:10 AM



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... if the other party created, signed and broadcast a transaction to the network that was subsequently included in a block by a miner... then those coins are attached to that address.


So the coins should be in my address, even though I never logged in with that wallet. Or would the coins show up in his address because the transaction never went through?


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: BitcoinFX on August 28, 2018, 07:25:38 AM
Does anyone have a email address for smoketoomuch, he helped me setup my computer, you can pm it to me. I can see them, but I cannot respond to them yet. Newbe account. Can't remember the name I used on here in 2010.

Nope (sorry) I don't have their email address and even if I did then releasing other folks personal details to a completely random entity would not be something I would consider doing.

Anyhow, that account is still active sometimes so maybe you might try to PM them directly?


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on August 28, 2018, 02:59:56 PM


Nope (sorry) I don't have their email address and even if I did then releasing other folks personal details to a completely random entity would not be something I would consider doing.

Anyhow, that account is still active sometimes so maybe you might try to PM them directly?
If I could pm him I would, but changes to this forum since 2010 won't allow me based on the newbie status. There's other ways of helping me get in touch with him, without giving personal information. Thanks for responding though.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: LoyceV on August 28, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
If I could pm him I would, but changes to this forum since 2010 won't allow me based on the newbie status.
Make 7 more posts (don't spam!), and you'll be a Jr. Member, which allows you to PM anybody.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on August 28, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
Thank you LoyceV for that info. When we were talking about transactions in 2010, if the coins still show up in an old  address, and they were sent to a cold wallet address, does that mean that the transaction never went through.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: bob123 on August 29, 2018, 08:12:03 AM
When we were talking about transactions in 2010, if the coins still show up in an old  address, and they were sent to a cold wallet address, does that mean that the transaction never went through.

A cold wallet is simply a wallet which is not connected to the internet in any way. And a wallet is a piece of software which manages your private- and public- keys.
Whether a transactions went trough only depends on whether it has been included into a block. It doesn't matter whether the private key to access these funds is stored offline or online.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on August 29, 2018, 04:14:06 PM
Does anyone know how to see transactions that are good, that are not included in the main chain.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: grinbuck on August 30, 2018, 07:53:42 AM
Does anyone know how to see transactions that are good, that are not included in the main chain.

Huh? If they're not included in the main chain then they don't exist. There is only one chain - the longest chain - the "main chain".


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: bob123 on August 30, 2018, 08:29:52 AM
Huh? If they're not included in the main chain then they don't exist. There is only one chain - the longest chain - the "main chain".

That's not necessarily true.
These transactions do still exist inside of orphaned  blocks.

They are not part of the main chain, but these blocks do exist. And they are indexed and searchable.



Does anyone know how to see transactions that are good, that are not included in the main chain.

You can view the block info of orphaned blocks here: https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/orphaned-blocks (https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/orphaned-blocks)
The orphaned blocks are valid blocks which are not part of the main chain, but contain valid transactions.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: grinbuck on August 30, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
They are not part of the main chain, but these blocks do exist. And they are indexed and searchable.

Thanks for pointing that out. Learnt something new.   ???


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: LoyceV on August 30, 2018, 08:53:34 AM
These transactions do still exist inside of orphaned  blocks.
Blocks get orphaned all the time, and as far as I know the orphaned transactions aren't abandoned, they're just added to other blocks again. That makes it very unlikely to find a transaction that's not in the main chain this way.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: bob123 on August 30, 2018, 09:45:17 AM
Blocks get orphaned all the time, and as far as I know the orphaned transactions aren't abandoned, they're just added to other blocks again.


This applies to 'normal' transactions.

But maliciously sent transactions which aim to create a double spend do leave transactions inside orphaned blocks which aren't later added to the main chain.

So while the majority of transactions has been added to the mainchain through other blocks, a few have not been added (which are still valid itself in terms signature check).
 


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on August 30, 2018, 05:51:06 PM

They are not part of the main chain, but these blocks do exist. And they are indexed and searchable.


You can view the block info of orphaned blocks here: https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/orphaned-blocks (https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/orphaned-blocks)
The orphaned blocks are valid blocks which are not part of the main chain, but contain valid transactions.
Bob123, thanks for the info, but that only shows back to March of 2014,


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: Oldnewbie on August 31, 2018, 01:43:29 AM
Hi everyone! I am not sure where I need to post to get help...I will explain my situation below:

On August 9th I sent two transactions from my Kraken account to my coinbase account. These transactions were sent to the same coinbase wallet address about 15min apart... one transaction was for .09 Bitcoin and the other .64 roughly. The first transaction went into my coinbase wallet no problem, the second transaction has still not hot my coinbase account. I have contacted both Kraken and Coinbase with no luck. Kraken says the transaction was successful so they cannot do anything on there end...Coinbase says that the wallet address is not linked to my coinbase account...however this is not true as transaction #1 for $600 roughly went into my coinbase wallet...transaction #2 is still sitting on the block chain and is roughly $4,000 which is a lot for me. I have all the picture proof of the transaction on Kraken showing both sent to same wallet....coinbase keeps telling me that the wallet is not a coinbase wallet. I am stuck and have no way to get my $4,000. I am very stressed out and do not know what to do! Any help someone can offer would be greatly appreciated!


Thank You!
I would probably start a new post, so that more people would see the subject related to your situation. If you received one transaction and haven't received the other, I would look to make sure that you typed the address the same in both. Then check block chain to make sure the transaction are there. if both are there, then contact coinbase again.


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: HCP on August 31, 2018, 03:56:27 AM
Get the transaction IDs from Kraken, look them up on a block explorer...

Double check that:
- the second transaction is actually confirmed.
- the second transaction actually sends to the same address as the first transaction.



Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: seoincorporation on September 03, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.

If some one sent the coins to that walle, then there should be the coins, even if the wallet get down or get offline, the bitcoin network keeps running, so there is no reason to not see the coins on the addy, unless the transaction get a double spend.

Maybe when you take a look at that block you search for a wrong addy, bitcoins doesn't disappear in the air, so if that transaction was really made, it should be listed in the blockchain. 


Title: Re: Transaction from Summer 2010
Post by: SDRebel on September 13, 2018, 07:05:09 AM


Nope (sorry) I don't have their email address and even if I did then releasing other folks personal details to a completely random entity would not be something I would consider doing.

Anyhow, that account is still active sometimes so maybe you might try to PM them directly?
If I could pm him I would, but changes to this forum since 2010 won't allow me based on the newbie status. There's other ways of helping me get in touch with him, without giving personal information. Thanks for responding though.

for every PM i get, I get an email...search your email for any old PMs you got.