Bitcoin Forum

Bitcoin => Pools => Topic started by: DeepBit on February 26, 2011, 04:32:43 AM



Title: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too
Post by: DeepBit on February 26, 2011, 04:32:43 AM
New mining pool with fair reward distribution: https://deepbit.net !

Forum thread for new forum members who can't post here: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=23678.0

Before this day there was only one bitcoin mining service (and NO pools with open registration), so I decided to create some alternative for people that prefer simple reward sharing scheme and fast payments. Feel free to participate with same miners as most of you already use for solo GPU or pooled GPU/CPU mining.
Service fee is 3%, no block confirmation is needed (your reward won't be recalled if block doesn't gets confirmed).

EDIT: Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration. Current rate is 0.00002209487837767 BTC per share.



Our advantages
  • We notify your bitcoin miner about new block with the help of long polling. This allows us minimize the number of stale shares (https://deepbit.net/help/5#5). (You can get up to a several percents higher results). Currently this mode is supported by latest version of poclbm OpenCL miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334.0).
    Protocol description (http://deepbit.net/longpolling.php)
  • We provide e-mail notifications on worker failure
  • We pay you for every solved block, even if it later fails to mature (up to 1.2% more)
  • You can take your reward at ANY moment, just press "Instant payout" button
  • You can choose between two payment modes
  • We credit your balance instantly, without 120 blocks delay
  • We have e-mail notifications on worker failure
  • We have open and free registration and do not limit the number of connections or users



If you already know how to use RPC miners, you can register a new account at http://deepbit.net and join the test, using deepbit.net hostname and 8332 port. Your e-mail is your login.
You can run separate miners on one account or create additional workers.

m0mchil's poclbm is recommended, DiabloMiner, puddinpop and jgarzik miners should work fine too.

m0mchil's:
poclbm.exe -d1 --host=pit.deepbit.net --port=8332 --user=example@example.com --pass=password

DiabloMiner:
./DiabloMiner-OS.sh/.bat -b -u example@example.com -p password -o pit.deepbit.net -r 8332 -v 2

ufasoft's SSE2 CPU miner:
bitcoin-miner.exe -a 5 -o http://pit.deepbit.net:8332 -u example@example.com -p password


Update your miners, please.

Long Polling is working now, so you can download latest poclbm miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334.0) and use it with DeepBit.
This new feature will eliminate stale shares and your mining efficiency may rise up to ~1.7% more on average (depends on your GPU speed and luck).

What is Long Polling ? Explained here (https://deepbit.net/longpolling.php).


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: xenon481 on February 26, 2011, 04:38:08 AM
Please remove the word "fair" from your thread title. Implying that Slush is purposefully "unfair" is an offensive patently false lie propagated through an unwillingness to understand statistics. (and pure malice by some)

Slush has shown the statistical charts proving that the score based reward system distributes just as equally as a shares based reward system.

I also "like" the implication that a 3% fee is more "fair" than a 2% fee.


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 04:44:30 AM
Please remove the word "fair" from your thread title. Implying that Slush is purposefully "unfair" is an offensive patently false lie propagated through an unwillingness to understand statistics. (and pure malice by some)
I didn't said anything about Slush, it's just you.


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: xenon481 on February 26, 2011, 04:47:08 AM
Please remove the word "fair" from your thread title. Implying that Slush is purposefully "unfair" is an offensive patently false lie propagated through an unwillingness to understand statistics. (and pure malice by some)
I didn't said anything about Slush, it's just you.

That's why I said "implying".

There is only one reason to use the word "fair" and noting that another pool exists; that is to brazenly imply that the other pool is "unfair". You are openly stating that what sets your pool apart from the other pool is the reward method.


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: BitLex on February 26, 2011, 04:53:21 AM
sorry to get OT, but...

who are you to tell people what words to put in their thread titles and what not?
i could also tell you to remove your posting from this thread, not only implying that [Tycho] has anything against slush's pool (which is not the case afaik), but also implying slush has something against competition (which is also not the case afaik).
but don't worry, i wont do that.

and i didnt see anything about one pool being more or less fair than any other pool,
it's up to the users to decide which one to use and what's most "fair" in their eyes.
 


Title: Re: New minig pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: NicholasBell on February 26, 2011, 04:58:49 AM
Trying to use puddinpop's rpc miners. I've never joined a pool before--what am I missing?

Code:
rpcminer-4way.exe -server=deepbit.net -port=8332 -user=XXX@XXXXXXXXX.com -password=XXXXX

EDIT: Never mind, figured it out. Replacing server/port with -url=http://example.com:8332


Title: Re: New minig pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: xenon481 on February 26, 2011, 04:59:14 AM
For the record, I fully applaud your initiative for starting another pool and fully believe that competition is the best thing for a free market.

My only concern was the obvious implication of the word "fair".

Edit: Thank you, the word "proportional" now properly references the method of determining reward distribution.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: M4v3R on February 26, 2011, 07:23:03 AM
[Tycho]: I think your calculation of "Average speed in last 5 minutes" is wrong. It shows that I have 14.20 MH/s with my CPU (which I wish I had) whereas I have ~1.4 MH/s now.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: kseistrup on February 26, 2011, 11:16:19 AM
Which timezone is used for datetimes on the website, please?

Cheers,


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: fornit on February 26, 2011, 01:27:45 PM
i always get auth errors.

parameters are like this:
Z:\blubb\poclbm.exe --host=deepbit.net --port=8332 --user=xxx --pass=yyy --device=0 -v -w 128


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: pla on February 26, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
Slush has shown the statistical charts proving that the score based reward system distributes just as equally as a shares based reward system./quote]

...Over time.  "Fair" has more than one meaning in this context.

For people running GPU miners with hundreds of mh/s, the expected payout over time converges with reality in just a few blocks.  For those of us running under 10mh/s, the payout per block varies radically - I've had a few lucky blocks where I get a whole BitDime as my share, and I've had full days where I only managed to solve a share every fifth block and even then only pulled down on the order of 1E-4BTC per block.

So Slush's pool, while "fair", trades slow-miner convergence rate for discouraging a particular type of cheating.  A purely proportional pool converges faster, but allows a style of participation that some people might consider "cheating" (though if you legitimately contribute work to the pool, I don't know that I'd throw too many stones just because someone found the best way to split their contributions across multiple pools to maximize payouts - You could just as well call the entire concept of "pools" cheating, because it deviates from the Satoshi-intended winner-take-all style of BTC generation).

That said, Tycho, how do you plan to avoid massive cheating without block verification?  Accepting all shares as equal, no problem; but what stops contibutors from simply lying?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: BitLex on February 26, 2011, 02:56:53 PM
[Tycho]: I think your calculation of "Average speed in last 5 minutes" is wrong. It shows that I have 14.20 MH/s with my CPU (which I wish I had) whereas I have ~1.4 MH/s now.
your "Average speed in last 5 minutes" is calculated by the number of shares you submitted,
in lucky times (were you find lots of diff1 hashes in a very short time) you might see much more speed than you actually do, in unlucky times, you see less speed.
overall it seems pretty accurate, an increased timeframe for calculation might improve accuracy a bit though.

Which timezone is used for datetimes on the website, please?
GMT it seems, correct me if i'm wrong.

That said, Tycho, how do you plan to avoid massive cheating without block verification?  Accepting all shares as equal, no problem; but what stops contibutors from simply lying?
what could contributors lie about?
the only way of "cheating" is the same you mentioned above, legitimately contribute work to the pool and "pool-hopping" as discussed in other threads.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: kseistrup on February 26, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
Which timezone is used for datetimes on the website, please?
GMT it seems, correct me if i'm wrong.
Thanks.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: pla on February 26, 2011, 03:32:22 PM
what could contributors lie about?
the only way of "cheating" is the same you mentioned above, legitimately contribute work to the pool and "pool-hopping" as discussed in other threads.

About completing a share...  Without verification, what stops someone from just making up answers?  "Yup, found a hash.  Yup, found a hash.  Yup, found a hash".

I can appreciate that checking those from hundreds of clients puts a bit of a load on the server, but it seems just plain necessary to keep the scum out of the pool.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 03:35:13 PM
[Tycho]: I think your calculation of "Average speed in last 5 minutes" is wrong. It shows that I have 14.20 MH/s with my CPU (which I wish I had) whereas I have ~1.4 MH/s now.
your "Average speed in last 5 minutes" is calculated by the number of shares you submitted,
in lucky times (were you find lots of diff1 hashes in a very short time) you might see much more speed than you actually do, in unlucky times, you see less speed.
overall it seems pretty accurate, an increased timeframe for calculation might improve accuracy a bit though.
Yes, it's like "luck meter" because when it shows 14 MH/s, you have same luck as someone with 14 MH/s :)
May be i'll change it to 10 minutes, but it's initial purpose was to show the variation.

Which timezone is used for datetimes on the website, please?
GMT it seems, correct me if i'm wrong.
Should be UTC, but it's almost the same.

Thanks for helping people :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 03:36:12 PM
what could contributors lie about?
the only way of "cheating" is the same you mentioned above, legitimately contribute work to the pool and "pool-hopping" as discussed in other threads.

About completing a share...  Without verification, what stops someone from just making up answers?  "Yup, found a hash.  Yup, found a hash.  Yup, found a hash".

I can appreciate that checking those from hundreds of clients puts a bit of a load on the server, but it seems just plain necessary to keep the scum out of the pool.
Of course every share is checked by pool. Why do you think that it doesn't ?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: BitLex on February 26, 2011, 03:39:28 PM
"no block confirmation is needed" is meant for real blocks that the pool found in a day, not for all hashes/shares miners send.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: myrkul on February 26, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
Looks cool, I'm switching my tiny netbook over... I should be a larger portion of the overall share pool... still don't expect much, but we'll see how it goes.

Mostly I'm replying to keep track of the thread.


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: xenon481 on February 26, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Slush has shown the statistical charts proving that the score based reward system distributes just as equally as a shares based reward system.

...Over time.  "Fair" has more than one meaning in this context.

For people running GPU miners with hundreds of mh/s, the expected payout over time converges with reality in just a few blocks.  For those of us running under 10mh/s, the payout per block varies radically - I've had a few lucky blocks where I get a whole BitDime as my share, and I've had full days where I only managed to solve a share every fifth block and even then only pulled down on the order of 1E-4BTC per block.

So Slush's pool, while "fair", trades slow-miner convergence rate for discouraging a particular type of cheating.  A purely proportional pool converges faster, but allows a style of participation that some people might consider "cheating" (though if you legitimately contribute work to the pool, I don't know that I'd throw too many stones just because someone found the best way to split their contributions across multiple pools to maximize payouts - You could just as well call the entire concept of "pools" cheating, because it deviates from the Satoshi-intended winner-take-all style of BTC generation).

That said, Tycho, how do you plan to avoid massive cheating without block verification?  Accepting all shares as equal, no problem; but what stops contibutors from simply lying?

As I posted in Slush's thread, even a CPU Miner trends towards strong convergence on the order of after 1-2 weeks. Are you planning on only mining for 1-2 days?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: fornit on February 26, 2011, 04:39:09 PM
tycho, you have any idea why i get auth errors?
the login and password work for the homepage... ???


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 05:10:33 PM
tycho, you have any idea why i get auth errors?
the login and password work for the homepage... ???
I'll look into resolving this. Try changing your password to one containing only letters and numbers.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: fornit on February 26, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
already tried "hallo", didnt work either.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: NicholasBell on February 26, 2011, 05:14:18 PM
Confirmed I got my first payout with this pool. Finally...my mining amounted to something.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 05:16:02 PM
already tried "hallo", didnt work either.
Looks like i know what's wrong with your auth.
When you change your password on the site, it changes only your account password, not the worker's one.
So if you created your account and then changed your pw, then you need to use your OLD password in miner.

It's temporary condition while i'm implementing workers management, but if you give me your account name, i can clone your password to worker's one. Or just create new account.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: fornit on February 26, 2011, 05:24:18 PM
ok, i made a new account and it works  :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: pla on February 26, 2011, 05:26:16 PM
Of course every share is checked by pool. Why do you think that it doesn't ?

Ah, BitLex nailed it.  I mistook your original comment about not validating blocks to refer to shares - My mistake.   :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: theGECK on February 26, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Same problem with authorization problems, I'm just assuming that the pool is down for right now. "username" for miner is our email address, correct?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: yoshi on February 26, 2011, 08:26:26 PM
Thanks for creating this pool. I've been waiting for a new one to be created after bitpenny's pool closed and I joined after slush had new registrations suspended.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 08:29:19 PM
Same problem with authorization problems, I'm just assuming that the pool is down for right now. "username" for miner is our email address, correct?
No, the pool isn't down. In case of troubles you can look at pool speed indicator in the upper left part of webpage.
Same answer as to previous poster - try your old password.

Worker management page will be added in less than a hour, then you'll be able to set worker password and change reward scheme.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: MrMagic on February 26, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
Just put my gtx 460 in to try it out. I already found a couple shares. Looks good.

Thanks.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: theGECK on February 26, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
Well, I can't get any miner to work with the CPU I'm trying to donate to your pool - m0mchil's won't work, and I can't get Diablo's to function. I'll have to wait a few more days before I'm back to my main miner to throw some hash/s your way for testing.

I didn't realize that the pool had to be configured to accept a particular miner - that's too bad. I was under the impression that I could use any miner, such as ufasoft's CPU miner (which is my current CPU miner), and connect to any pool that was around.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: AmpEater on February 26, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
I signed up and just pointed 2x 5970s your way.  Everything seems to be going OK, though I did get a "could not communicate with RPC server" error for a minute or two about an hour ago.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 09:25:03 PM
Well, I can't get any miner to work with the CPU I'm trying to donate to your pool - m0mchil's won't work, and I can't get Diablo's to function. I'll have to wait a few more days before I'm back to my main miner to throw some hash/s your way for testing.

I didn't realize that the pool had to be configured to accept a particular miner - that's too bad. I was under the impression that I could use any miner, such as ufasoft's CPU miner (which is my current CPU miner), and connect to any pool that was around.
Oh, now i see what's your problem. ufasoft's CPU miner is the only one that is not supported by my pool because it's not fully compliant with the protocol (as i see it). I said this in the first post.

m0mchil's and Diablo's miners are mainly for GPU, not CPU miners.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: CorneredS on February 26, 2011, 10:32:55 PM
This might be a noobish question, but I've been receiving shares for a while now, but my account is on 0.0000000 bitcoins still...


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 26, 2011, 10:48:42 PM
This might be a noobish question, but I've been receiving shares for a while now, but my account is on 0.0000000 bitcoins still...

Looking at http://deepbit.net/stats.php , the last payout for a successful find was around 3:19pm on the 26th Feb.

If you started submitting shares after this then there is no payout, yet :-)

-

Thanks for setting this up Tycho. Nice, simple start is good :-)

Let me know if you need any gfx/design to pimp up the deepbit.net site at any point as that is in my line.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: CorneredS on February 26, 2011, 10:49:41 PM
This might be a noobish question, but I've been receiving shares for a while now, but my account is on 0.0000000 bitcoins still...

Looking at http://deepbit.net/stats.php , the last payout for a successful find was around 3:19pm on the 26th Feb.

If you started submitting shares after this then there is no payout, yet :-)

-

Thanks for setting this up Tycho. Nice, simple start is good :-)

Let me know if you need any gfx/design to pimp up the deepbit.net site at any point as that is in my line.

I was afraid the answer might be that easy XD


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 10:49:50 PM
This might be a noobish question, but I've been receiving shares for a while now, but my account is on 0.0000000 bitcoins still...
Your account will be credited during the first hour after finding the block (approximately every 36500 shares received by pool from all users).

Currently i'm implementing pay-per-share option, that will increase balance after each share. Will be available soon.

EDIT: Heh, two posts already appeared while i was answering :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 26, 2011, 10:53:19 PM
Thanks for setting this up Tycho. Nice, simple start is good :-)
Let me know if you need any gfx/design to pimp up the deepbit.net site at any point as that is in my line.
You are welcome :)
Thanks for your offer, i'll tell if some help will be needed.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 12:02:43 AM
I'm sorry, I haven't understood the terms you are using. I am guessing that a "share" is when somebody finds a solution to a simpler problem than the current difficulty? Demonstrating proof-of-work that way, only less work? I hope I got it right.

I see in the replies to "getwork" that your server is sending, that the "target" field has 32 zero bits to the right, which is the same number as the zero bits in the "prev_block" field in the "data". Does that mean that I am supposed to give you only full solutions? From looking at the code, I think that my miner program (cpu-miner) will send you the data block, with the "nonce" value that was used, whenever the hash contains at least 8 zero bits at the end. The probability for that is one in 256 (unless I don't understand something), and there is a printf() call when that happens. However, that hasn't happened yet! And the program reports hash rates of around 100khash/sec!

I'm using the 4-way SSE2 code and I have no GPU. And this is strange. The official bitcoin client gave me much lower hash rates.

And I'm probably missing something again.


Sorry, the number of bits is 32. My mistake. I'm new. The probability is one in 2^32. Should take around 5-6 hours on average if that hash rate is correct. Also, the official client hash rate was around 1Mhash/sec which I've now reached with cpu-miner, because I didn't compile it with debugging flags this time.

All is well...


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 12:05:14 AM
I've noticed one failed RPC so far (the server returned a 404 error) but that's a very minor issue.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 12:19:30 AM
My miner logs start to show a small rate of failed RPCs ... out of curiosity,
(and unless it's a trade secret :) ) do you load balance the incoming RPC stream
to multiple instances of the C++ bitcoin daemon ? If so, can you tell us what's
your load balancing strategy (i.e. how many RPC/s do you send to each instance)
Actually i don't need load balancing at this moment. My tests showed that one instance will be enough for much more users.
I have some plans for this, but there are no problems with it yet.

I'm mining in my pool myself and don't see any RPC failures, except for some moments when pool software was updated. Are you sure it's not a problem with your connection ? You can run a ping -t deepbit.net and look if there is packet loss at the same time with RPC failures.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 12:24:10 AM
Sorry, the number of bits is 32. My mistake. I'm new. The probability is one in 2^32. Should take around 5-6 hours on average if that hash rate is correct.

The benchmark/avg. is currently 1 share every 5 minutes at 14200Kh/s.
At your rate of around 100Kh/s you should see a hit every 11-12h by my count.

If the RPC failures increase, check you have the latest clients that persist connections nicely, rather than fire-hosing the server with connection attempts :-)

And hi and welcome etc. :D


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 12:37:14 AM
The benchmark/avg. is currently 1 share every 5 minutes at 14200Kh/s.
At your rate of around 100Kh/s you should see a hit every 11-12h by my count.

If the RPC failures increase, check you have the latest clients that persist connections nicely, rather than fire-hosing the server with connection attempts :-)

You are right. I was wrong again. When that is the hash rate, one can expect solutions every that often. Now I have a 1Mhash/sec rate (gcc -O3) so I should get solutions approximately every 70 minutes.

There wasn't one single correct thing in what I posted! No, there was!

For the "fire-hosing" problem, I simply reduced the "getwork" call frequency from once every 5 seconds to once every 20 seconds.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 12:41:32 AM
*snip*
At your rate of around 100Kh/s you should see a hit every 11-12h by my count.

If the RPC failures increase, check you have the latest clients that persist connections nicely, rather than fire-hosing the server with connection attempts :-)

You are right. I was wrong again. When that is the hash rate, one can expect solutions every that often. Now I have a 1Mhash/sec rate (gcc -O3) so I should get solutions approximately every 70 minutes.

There wasn't one single correct thing in what I posted! No, there was!

For the "fire-hosing" problem, I simply reduced the "getwork" call frequency from once every 5 seconds to once every 20 seconds.

Not wrong, just learning, and quickly :-)

The fire-hose thing was more of a problem with the official client until recently and applies less to what you're doing I think.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 01:09:28 AM
In other words, if your own miners are on the same LAN,
(or very close-by from a latency P.O.V.) your failure rate
will be much lower than that of someone who is 300ms
away.
Actually no, i'm 144 ms away from DC :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 01:27:05 AM
Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration.

Current rate is 0.0012342331201539 BTC per share.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: NicholasBell on February 27, 2011, 01:48:12 AM
Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration.

Current rate is 0.0012342331201539 BTC per share.

I'm curious, being new to pooled mining--what is the motivation for choosing one mode over the other? Is it to remove some of the luck component?  I can see that maybe if the pool as a whole is really unlucky and doesn't solve a block then each share in "proportional" would be worth less than if the pool solves it faster.

Does the current pay rate you have there represent the statistical average rate we would expect in proportional mode anyway?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 01:56:09 AM
Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool.

I'm curious, being new to pooled mining--what is the motivation for choosing one mode over the other? Is it to remove some of the luck component?  I can see that maybe if the pool as a whole is really unlucky and doesn't solve a block then each share in "proportional" would be worth less than if the pool solves it faster.

Does the current pay rate you have there represent the statistical average rate we would expect in proportional mode anyway?
Depends on people. Some just like getting their cents now, some can wait. Some feel lucky and some - not.
Price is calculated as (50 / current difficulty) - 10%, exactly as other pay-per-share pools, just some nano-coins more because of higher precision :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: xenon481 on February 27, 2011, 01:56:31 AM
Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration.

Current rate is 0.0012342331201539 BTC per share.

I'm curious, being new to pooled mining--what is the motivation for choosing one mode over the other? Is it to remove some of the luck component?  I can see that maybe if the pool as a whole is really unlucky and doesn't solve a block then each share in "proportional" would be worth less than if the pool solves it faster.

Does the current pay rate you have there represent the statistical average rate we would expect in proportional mode anyway?

Yes, with a Pay-Per-Share model (like BitPenny), the vast majority of the variance is moved from the individual miner client to the pool operator. In this mode, the pool operator is betting (like a casino) that the statistical average number of shares to solve a block will hold true over time. As casinos prove, this is a near certainty over time unless somebody finds a way to cheat and skew the statistical average.

It also moves the risk of being harmed by cheaters from the miners to the pool operator.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: xenon481 on February 27, 2011, 01:59:53 AM
Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool.

I'm curious, being new to pooled mining--what is the motivation for choosing one mode over the other? Is it to remove some of the luck component?  I can see that maybe if the pool as a whole is really unlucky and doesn't solve a block then each share in "proportional" would be worth less than if the pool solves it faster.

Does the current pay rate you have there represent the statistical average rate we would expect in proportional mode anyway?
Depends on people. Some just like getting their cents now, some can wait. Some feel lucky and some - not.
Price is calculated as (50 / current difficulty) - 10%, exactly as other pay-per-share pools, just some nano-coins more because of higher precision :)

That's actually really important! That's a 10% (statistical average) fee instead of the 3% fee for "Proportional" that you mention in your first post.

I don't think the 10% is out of line, just that it is important that it be disclosed as different.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 02:04:30 AM
Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration.

Current rate is 0.0012342331201539 BTC per share.

I don't see such an option. I also don't understand the "Minimum value for automatic payment" option. Is there an automatic payment whenever the balance reaches this value?

Also, at the top, with green letters is a "0.00 MH/s" label about "Average speed". I know that my client is calculating hashes at around 1Mh/s, but it's not reporting it to you. Is there some protocol for doing that? I can't find any good documentation for this "standard" getwork protocol. I had to read code and packet dumps.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 02:09:26 AM
I don't see such an option. I also don't understand the "Minimum value for automatic payment" option. Is there an automatic payment whenever the balance reaches this value?
Open your account page, scroll down to workers list, click on worker name and you'll see it's configuration.
After finishing tests, payments will be sent every hour if it's more than given threshold.

Also, at the top, with green letters is a "0.00 MH/s" label about "Average speed". I know that my client is calculating hashes at around 1Mh/s, but it's not reporting it to you. Is there some protocol for doing that? I can't find any good documentation for this "standard" getwork protocol. I had to read code and packet dumps.
Actually it's a luck meter, it just counts number of received shares per given time interval. If it shows, for example, 10 MH/s, then at this moment you are just as lucky as someone with 10 MH/s speed.

Currently it's set to 7 minutes, which is shorter than interval between your shares.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 02:13:41 AM
That's actually really important! That's a 10% (statistical average) fee instead of the 3% fee for "Proportional" that you mention in your first post.

I don't think the 10% is out of line, just that it is important that it be disclosed as different.
Price per share is given with high precision, so it wasn't a secret.
As you know, it's the same as in other pool, so i decided that it's suitable rate.

It can't be compared directly with 3% fee because it's 10% of unknown value for me. It may be more and may be less, comparing to proportional mode. If some block takes longer to find, this will be more than in Proportional.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: ronaldmaustin on February 27, 2011, 02:43:12 AM
Thanks for building a competing mining pool to those out there.  I will try yours because although the fee is 50% higher that the one I currently use gives me alot of "invalid or stale" and occasional "Problem communicating with RPC", which by rough calculations, amounts to much higher than your 3%.  I do suspect that these problems may be on my end, so don't consider this a negative or anyone elses mining pool.  However, I will try your pool and report back. 4 5970's.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 02:45:51 AM
It can't be compared directly with 3% fee because it's 10% of unknown value for me. It may be more and may be less, comparing to proportional mode. If some block takes longer to find, this will be more than in Proportional.

I'm already 2 bitcents richer sucka! Should I spend it on crack or hoes, I wonder?

It's fun and interesting to try these things out :-)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: telestrial on February 27, 2011, 03:07:19 AM
Code:
* Connection #0 to host www.deepbit.net left intact
JSON decode failed(1): '[' or '{' expected near '<'
json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds

Any ideas?




Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 03:10:38 AM
Code:
* Connection #0 to host www.deepbit.net left intact
JSON decode failed(1): '[' or '{' expected near '<'
json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds

Any ideas?
Which miner do you use ? It this a consistent error ?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 03:11:17 AM
Code:
* Connection #0 to host www.deepbit.net left intact
JSON decode failed(1): '[' or '{' expected near '<'
json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds

Any ideas?

Wouldn't be surprised if the response was HTML (404 or 503 error) instead of JSON. Other than that not sure.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: telestrial on February 27, 2011, 03:14:09 AM
I'm using the newer CPU miner...

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1925.60


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 03:31:43 AM
I keep seeing this hash in the "prev_block" field in the data of the work that I get from deepbit.net :

Quote
b84401536a5ec2fca283157d1ba9b80c0259a63954659d20000113dd00000000

These are 8 zeros there (4 bytes = 32 bits). Real blocks as I see on block explorer have 47 zero bits, I think? Is this block from the "testnet"? This isn't for real?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 04:02:57 AM
I keep seeing this hash in the "prev_block" field in the data of the work that I get from deepbit.net :
Quote
b84401536a5ec2fca283157d1ba9b80c0259a63954659d20000113dd00000000
Have you tried to look at other pool's work or your local bitcoin's one ?

3 blocks already found and they are surely not from testnet :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 04:25:56 AM
Have you tried to look at other pool's work or your local bitcoin's one ?

3 blocks already found and they are surely not from testnet :)

I'm just quoting what the server at deepbit.net is returning in response to my "getwork" JSON requests.

I feel happy right now, as I just found my first "share", but I still don't understand why there are so few zeros in prev_block, since we are supposedly trying to generate real blocks.

EDIT: Maybe that part (first 64-byte chunk) of the "data" field is not filled correctly? I think it's not used by the SHA256 algorithm on the client, being already hashed by the server, with the result placed in "midstate", so that the client needs to perform only two rounds of SHA256.

EDIT: Still, it would be nice if the right data was placed there, so I'd at least know which real block I am contributing to!


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 04:27:33 AM
After using the Pay-Per-Share for a few hours it seems to be working just pukka, apart from a slightly odd behaviour in the Account Balance (http://deepbit.net/acc.php)

It appears to track each new share perfectly in the balance sometimes, then will 'rewind' to an earlier value. Possibly in conjunction with an hourly balance update?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: telestrial on February 27, 2011, 04:28:44 AM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 04:35:11 AM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.
Just tested jgarzik's CPU miner and it worked fine for me.
Try to use -P key and see, what it's trying to parse. Then copy it and send to me by private message, i'll try to resolve.

BTW it's deepbit.net, not www.deepbit.net. But works anyway.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: Ricochet on February 27, 2011, 04:36:34 AM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.

In the first post, the only one claimed not to work is the SSE2 miner.  I got it to work with Puddinpop's RPC CPU miner, for instance


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 04:37:41 AM
EDIT: Still, it would be nice if the right data was placed there, so I'd at least know which real block I am contributing to!
Do you clearly understand what a "share" is and why you are working with difficulty-1 task ?
Just wanted to be sure.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 04:41:06 AM
After using the Pay-Per-Share for a few hours it seems to be working just pukka, apart from a slightly odd behaviour in the Account Balance (http://deepbit.net/acc.php)

It appears to track each new share perfectly in the balance sometimes, then will 'rewind' to an earlier value. Possibly in conjunction with an hourly balance update?
Thanks for your bug report. Just fixed that for displaying pay-per-share rewards.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on February 27, 2011, 04:52:01 AM
EDIT: Still, it would be nice if the right data was placed there, so I'd at least know which real block I am contributing to!
Do you clearly understand what a "share" is and why you are working with difficulty-1 task ?
Just wanted to be sure.

I think so. :) Or maybe I haven't understood something correctly again.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: ronaldmaustin on February 27, 2011, 05:23:58 AM
Same speeds as on Slush's server, but am getting no stale's or invalids so far.  So I'll be switching over for the time being as the stales/invalids were costing me as much as 5-10 percent.  I think it may be the load on Slush's server, so hopefully yours will not have the same problem as it gets popular.  I'll leave 2 5970's on your server and the other 2 on Slush's and compare after awhile.  But, so far, excellent.  I'd like to see even more competition to ease up the load on the various pools.  I see this is in Beta.  Hopefully you will not have much downtime.  If you're down for an hour in a day, for example, that would cost well over the commission.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 05:35:06 AM
Same speeds as on Slush's server, but am getting no stale's or invalids so far.  So I'll be switching over for the time being as the stales/invalids were costing me as much as 5-10 percent.  I think it may be the load on Slush's server, so hopefully yours will not have the same problem as it gets popular.  I'll leave 2 5970's on your server and the other 2 on Slush's and compare after awhile.  But, so far, excellent.  I'd like to see even more competition to ease up the load on the various pools.  I see this is in Beta.  Hopefully you will not have much downtime.  If you're down for an hour in a day, for example, that would cost well over the commission.
I'm not expecting load problems yet, it's really easy to avoid.

Beta actually means that i'm gradually adding features and looking carefully if everything works fine.
Downtime was about 5-10 seconds in last two days, due to software updating.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: whyjustin on February 27, 2011, 05:40:45 AM
First of all thanks for setting up a second pool for everybody; I recently got into the BTC hype but was having trouble going at it alone. I've been running for about 8 hours with little to no problems, although I don't have much to compare to seeing this is the first pooled experience I have. The only issue I've seen so far is occasionally DiabloMiner will give the following feedback:

85413/90697 khash/secException in thread "DiabloMiner Executor (GeForce GTX 295
(#1)/2)" java.lang.NullPointerException
        at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$Ge
tWorkParser.parse(DiabloMiner.java:731)
        at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$Ge
tWorkParser.getWork(DiabloMiner.java:636)
        at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$Ge
tWorkParser.update(DiabloMiner.java:630)
        at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState.ru
n(DiabloMiner.java:534)
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

It would seem that the work returned is null and cannot be parsed. It corrects itself after a while, probably by asking for more work until something comes back. Forgive my noobidity if that's an incorrect assumption.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 05:43:09 AM
First of all thanks for setting up a second pool for everybody; I recently got into the BTC hype but was having trouble going at it alone. I've been running for about 8 hours with little to no problems, although I don't have much to compare to seeing this is the first pooled experience I have. The only issue I've seen so far is occasionally DiabloMiner will give the following feedback:

85413/90697 khash/secException in thread "DiabloMiner Executor (GeForce GTX 295
(#1)/2)" java.lang.NullPointerException
        at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$Ge
tWorkParser.parse(DiabloMiner.java:731)
I thought that I fixed this issue yesterday... Ok, will check again, thanks for your report :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: JoeGTN1 on February 27, 2011, 06:30:09 AM
First of all thanks for setting up a second pool for everybody; I recently got into the BTC hype but was having trouble going at it alone. I've been running for about 8 hours with little to no problems, although I don't have much to compare to seeing this is the first pooled experience I have. The only issue I've seen so far is occasionally DiabloMiner will give the following feedback:

85413/90697 khash/secException in thread "DiabloMiner Executor (GeForce GTX 295
(#1)/2)" java.lang.NullPointerException
        at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$Ge
tWorkParser.parse(DiabloMiner.java:731)
I thought that I fixed this issue yesterday... Ok, will check again, thanks for your report :)

I'll second this, I've gotten it about 5 times in the past 5 hours w/ Diablo on a GTX460, I also have cpuminer-0.7 going and got a few "not enough semaphores" or some such.  Most of the time Diablo recovers and keeps going, once it went like 20min without doing any work before I killed it.

Should I have a separate account/worker set-up for the cpuminer?  I currently have them both logged in to the same user.

Also, I think everything is fine, but should I be expecting more than ~8Mh/s out of an i7 860 and 44Mh/s out of a GTX 460?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: whyjustin on February 27, 2011, 06:38:20 AM
Sounds about right, I'm getting ~8 out of an i7 and it looks like the GTX460 does ~68. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison. If you're doing graphic related stuff on your computer (games/streaming video) then it'll drop below the numbers on that site.

EDIT: I wrote 64, [Tycho] FTFM


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 06:38:53 AM
I'll second this, I've gotten it about 5 times in the past 5 hours w/ Diablo on a GTX460, I also have cpuminer-0.7 going and got a few "not enough semaphores" or some such.  Most of the time Diablo recovers and keeps going, once it went like 20min without doing any work before I killed it.

Should I have a separate account/worker set-up for the cpuminer?  I currently have them both logged in to the same user.

Also, I think everything is fine, but should I be expecting more than ~8Mh/s out of an i7 860 and 44Mh/s out of a GTX 460?
You can run many miners on same account, it's ok.
Today i'll add the option to create new workers.

This table says that you should get ~68 MH/s on GTX460 @ 1350 MHz. Looks like you should try another miner.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison

I'll try to find out the cause of that bug with DiabloMiner today too.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: dishwara on February 27, 2011, 06:50:51 AM
I joined ur pool.
Even i mined some shares at 220MH.
But so far even after 7-10 hours no share is showed in my account.
It says 0000000 balance only & i have not received any btc. even micros.
also ur stats page says reward none.
No one so far paid?
Or i am the only one having problem?


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 07:03:09 AM
But so far even after 7-10 hours no share is showed in my account.
It says 0000000 balance only & i have not received any btc. even micros.
*snip*
Or i am the only one having problem?

The last block that paid out (the pool hit a +50BTC) was 17 hours ago.

Yours shares for the last 7-10 hours will only pay out when the pool hits a new +50BTC.

Simples. :-)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: Ricochet on February 27, 2011, 07:07:58 AM
Hehe, I was about to ask the exact same question.  Did one share at PayPerShare before switching to Proportional for a few hours.  Would be nice to see an "expected reward" field like with slush's pool to avoid confusion here, but it's not too big a deal.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 07:13:26 AM
Hehe, I was about to ask the exact same question.  Did one share at PayPerShare before switching to Proportional for a few hours.  Would be nice to see an "expected reward" field like with slush's pool to avoid confusion here, but it's not too big a deal.

I'm sure Tycho has it on the TODO list along with the pretty graphs and everything :-)

Clean up this thread and it will be the help/FAQ page as well more or less. Eventually anyway.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 07:19:33 AM
Hehe, I was about to ask the exact same question.  Did one share at PayPerShare before switching to Proportional for a few hours.  Would be nice to see an "expected reward" field like with slush's pool to avoid confusion here, but it's not too big a deal.
There is not so many users yet, so first blocks take long time to find. When this 4th block will be found, reward will be added to your balance.

dishwara generated 77 shares, at this moment it's ~0.11% of the block (which is not found yet).


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: M4v3R on February 27, 2011, 07:22:50 AM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.

I've successfully used GPU miner poclbm with "-d 0" option, it used my CPU. Not very powerful though, I only got around 0.01 BTC for ~8 hours of mining on my Intel C2D 2.0 GHz. So you'd want to use your GPU anyway.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: NicholasBell on February 27, 2011, 07:40:21 AM
What happens if you switch from proportional to per-share in the middle of this block if you've gotten a lot of shares in proportional? Will I still get credit for all of those shares?

I think the difficulty will be going up in the next couple hours (block 110880), so hopefully somebody in this pool solves a block before then.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
What happens if you switch from proportional to per-share in the middle of this block if you've gotten a lot of shares in proportional? Will I still get credit for all of those shares?

I think the difficulty will be going up in the next couple hours (block 110880), so hopefully somebody in this pool solves a block before then.
No shares will be lost, mode switch is seamless and you'll receive both parts of reward.

I hope so, this one block is really hard :)


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: ronaldmaustin on February 27, 2011, 08:07:07 AM
Okay, so I'm happy with the total absence of "invalid or stale" responses, and my Mhash rate as reported on your site seems to exactly correlate.  So I'm throwing the other 4 GPS's at it for a total of 8.  You are now at over 8Ghash and I am over 2.5Ghash of that.  You should start hitting blocks under 5 1/2 hours at that rate . . . over 218 bitcoins a day.  But I have a feeling those numbers are going to go up very fast.  Good to be in on the ground floor.  Let's see if we are lucky.

One suggestion, I realize there are alot of requests for new things.  If it ain't broke don't fix it.  On the other hand, go ahead and fix them if it won't lead to down time.

EDIT (You should post your current hash rate in the title to attract clients.)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~8.5 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on February 27, 2011, 08:37:10 AM
Hi,
I just want to make sure i've understood the difference, please ...
Proportional: Reward is based on finding a block. (I think i'm wrong here)
Pay-per-Share: Reward is based on the number of shares submitted, and the price specified on the homepage per share.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~8.5 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 08:40:32 AM
I just want to make sure i've understood the difference, please ...
Proportional: Reward is based on finding a block. (I think i'm wrong here)
Pay-per-Share: Reward is based on the number of shares submitted, and the price specified on the homepage per share.
Yes, you are right.
Proportional: you get your part of the block when it's found. If you submitted 10000 shares and the block took 20000 to solve, you get half of all the reward.
Pay-per-Share: you get that fixed price for every share instantly, even if block is not found yet.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~8.5 Gh/s
Post by: ronaldmaustin on February 27, 2011, 09:08:25 AM
I just want to make sure i've understood the difference, please ...
Proportional: Reward is based on finding a block. (I think i'm wrong here)
Pay-per-Share: Reward is based on the number of shares submitted, and the price specified on the homepage per share.
Yes, you are right.
Proportional: you get your part of the block when it's found. If you submitted 10000 shares and the block took 20000 to solve, you get half of all the reward.
Pay-per-Share: you get that fixed price for every share instantly, even if block is not found yet.

This does need to be simplified a bit more, e.g.

Proportional: . . .  you get half of all the reward, less three percent, which is commission to the pool operator.
Pay-per-Share: . . . that fixed price is, on average, ten percent less than you would get on a statistical average over the long term.

I think these are fair commissions as they are in line with others.  I mention it here only because if it is not completely clear to everyone, people are going to jump all over you when they finally get a clue and they are going to accuse you of cheating them.  Look at Slush's pool . . . people were asking him pointed questions, as if he were up to no good, at a time he wasn't even charging anything.  Just FYI, the only reason I left Slush's pool is that I was getting a large percentage of invalid/stale responses which may have accounted for a percentage of loss larger than anyone's commission.  That may have been a problem on my end, and not with Slush's pool, but since it has apparently been eliminated, I will stick with your pool for awhile.  My motto:  Put all of your eggs in one basket.  Then watch that basket.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~8.5 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 03:02:18 PM
Software update in progress, may result in ~2 minutes of downtime, sorry.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: telestrial on February 27, 2011, 04:21:56 PM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.
Just tested jgarzik's CPU miner and it worked fine for me.
Try to use -P key and see, what it's trying to parse. Then copy it and send to me by private message, i'll try to resolve.

BTW it's deepbit.net, not www.deepbit.net. But works anyway.



Sent! ..At least I think..my outbox is always empty even after I send a PM. It bugs me. But yeah...I think it should be in your inbox!


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 04:26:51 PM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.
Just tested jgarzik's CPU miner and it worked fine for me.
Try to use -P key and see, what it's trying to parse. Then copy it and send to me by private message, i'll try to resolve.
BTW it's deepbit.net, not www.deepbit.net. But works anyway.

Sent! ..At least I think..my outbox is always empty even after I send a PM. It bugs me. But yeah...I think it should be in your inbox!
Got it. You are trying to connect to port 80 instead of 8332.
Use http://deepbit.net:8332 as URL


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: telestrial on February 27, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
Are CPU miners not supported? It's okay if not. I just don't want to continue messing with this trying to make it work.
Just tested jgarzik's CPU miner and it worked fine for me.
Try to use -P key and see, what it's trying to parse. Then copy it and send to me by private message, i'll try to resolve.
BTW it's deepbit.net, not www.deepbit.net. But works anyway.

Sent! ..At least I think..my outbox is always empty even after I send a PM. It bugs me. But yeah...I think it should be in your inbox!
Got it. You are trying to connect to port 80 instead of 8332.
Use http://deepbit.net:8332 as URL


<3


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~8.5 Gh/s
Post by: Artifice on February 27, 2011, 06:04:48 PM
Is there a way to trigger a manual payment? I can't seem to find anything to do that. I've also set the automated payment to be 0.01 just to see if it'd auto-transfer but I don't see any change in my wallet or to the account info on the website.

Are all of these things delayed by an hour?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~8.5 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 27, 2011, 06:11:48 PM
Is there a way to trigger a manual payment? I can't seem to find anything to do that. I've also set the automated payment to be 0.01 just to see if it'd auto-transfer but I don't see any change in my wallet or to the account info on the website.

Are all of these things delayed by an hour?
Yes, they do. Actually i mentioned that during beta stage all payments are processed daily.
I just forced your payment manually.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~10 Gh/s
Post by: paulofisch on February 27, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
The Pay-Per-Share seems to pay on a fairly good schedule too.

Can confirm the per-share rate change seems to work seamlessly as well.

EDIT: woo! new block :-)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~10 Gh/s
Post by: yoshi on February 27, 2011, 07:54:30 PM
The Pay-Per-Share seems to pay on a fairly good schedule too.

Can confirm the per-share rate change seems to work seamlessly as well.

EDIT: woo! new block :-)

After that 26 hour slog to hit a block, i was tempted to switch to pay-per-share. I glad I didn't cuz we just hit ANOTHER just now! (< 3 hours). Even with that difficulty increase. I hope we can keep up the winning streaks!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 01:06:43 AM
Got my first block in less than 1 week mining on an OC'd 5770.  At the old difficulty 10 days was average.  At new difficulty (55,589) I am now at 15 days.

Man I wish I got into mining about 4 months ago...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on February 28, 2011, 01:17:37 AM
Might be a silly question but: Is this pool viable for someone with a laptop?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 01:22:29 AM
Might be a silly question but: Is this pool viable for someone with a laptop?
Yes, if you understand that you can't mine any serious amount of BTC by CPU with current difficulty.
But you can try, escpecially with Pay-Per-Share mode.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 01:51:57 AM
@[Tycho]

Is the thought of having each worker (client) with their own user/pass?  If so, how to add a new worker?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: telestrial on February 28, 2011, 02:01:33 AM
What does "PROOF OF WORK RESULT: true (yay!!!)" mean?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 02:03:39 AM
Is the thought of having each worker (client) with their own user/pass?  If so, how to add a new worker?
You can use many miners on the same account.
In the next update i'll add worker creation.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 02:04:21 AM
What does "PROOF OF WORK RESULT: true (yay!!!)" mean?
I think it means that your miner successfully submited a share to the pool.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: telestrial on February 28, 2011, 02:10:06 AM
How often should that happen? I've been running for quite some time (13 hours or so) and that's the first time that's happened. Just CPU mining...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
How often should that happen? I've been running for quite some time (13 hours or so) and that's the first time that's happened. Just CPU mining...
3-8 times per minute on a single GPU, once in 6 minutes on modern Intel CPU and once in 8 hours on p3-class old CPU.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 02:23:06 AM
Is the thought of having each worker (client) with their own user/pass?  If so, how to add a new worker?
You can use many miners on the same account.
In the next update i'll add worker creation.

Sounds good - one minor critique - password for worker shouldn't be seen?!?  When you use a different p/w for the worker it shows in the text field.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: theboos on February 28, 2011, 02:24:52 AM
Have been getting RPC errors and the following error message at the site for a few minutes now:

Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'MongoCursorException' with message 'couldn't send query: Broken pipe' in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/_auth.php:33 Stack trace: #0 /usr/local/www/apache22/data/_auth.php(33): MongoCollection->findOne(Array) #1 /usr/local/www/apache22/data/acc.php(2): include('/usr/local/www/...') #2 {main} thrown in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/_auth.php on line 33



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 02:26:22 AM
Sounds good - one minor critique - password for worker shouldn't be seen?!?  When you use a different p/w for the worker it shows in the text field.
Password is not shown when you use same password as for the main account (which can't be seen).
If you set your separate password, it's not hidden anymore and even if it's stolen, other people can't do anything bad with it.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 02:26:54 AM
Have been getting RPC errors and the following error message at the site for a few minutes now:
Fixing this at the moment.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 02:27:02 AM
Server is having issues now it seems - remember we are in _BETA_


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on February 28, 2011, 02:29:01 AM
Posting to say thanks for the pool, got my first .14 BTC!
Not much but it's a start, lol.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: telestrial on February 28, 2011, 02:31:12 AM
Have been getting RPC errors and the following error message at the site for a few minutes now:

Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'MongoCursorException' with message 'couldn't send query: Broken pipe' in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/_auth.php:33 Stack trace: #0 /usr/local/www/apache22/data/_auth.php(33): MongoCollection->findOne(Array) #1 /usr/local/www/apache22/data/acc.php(2): include('/usr/local/www/...') #2 {main} thrown in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/_auth.php on line 33



Yep..it's boinked.

Quote
Quote from: telestrial on Today at 02:07 am
How often should that happen? I've been running for quite some time (13 hours or so) and that's the first time that's happened. Just CPU mining...
3-8 times per minute on a single GPU, once in 6 minutes on modern Intel CPU and once in 8 hours on p3-class old CPU.

This is not happening for me.  I'm running an Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P8400 (2.26 GHz, 3MB L2 Cache) with 64-bit Ubuntu (10.10).  Using jg's cpuminer...cryptopp algorithm

Any ideas?




Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 02:37:33 AM
The economics of cpu mining are VERY bad - especially if you are paying the electric bill.



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: telestrial on February 28, 2011, 02:39:01 AM
The economics of cpu mining are VERY bad - especially if you are paying the electric bill.



I'm not. So...I want to take this for all it's worth.  It's called "utilities included"..and it's a beautiful thing.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: dingus on February 28, 2011, 03:48:11 AM
added my miners (~2.1 G/h/s)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: deter on February 28, 2011, 03:53:01 AM
Awesome. Got my miner up and working! even though it's only 3000khash/s, it helps somewhat.

I have a question though: Can I set this up on multiple machines (and have all the "pay" directed at one account, mine?) Or is it against the rules, not just possible? I have no clue  ::)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 04:30:49 AM
Awesome. Got my miner up and working! even though it's only 3000khash/s, it helps somewhat.

I have a question though: Can I set this up on multiple machines (and have all the "pay" directed at one account, mine?) Or is it against the rules, not just possible? I have no clue  ::)
Answered this one many times already :) Yes, you can do this.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on February 28, 2011, 06:07:45 AM
Once I've chosen Proportional in Payment Method, there seems no changes with my BTC, is there something wrong? or just have to wait some time?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 06:18:33 AM
Once I've chosen Proportional in Payment Method, there seems no changes with my BTC, is there something wrong? or just have to wait some time?
In Proportional mode your balance will increase in a next hour after finding a block.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on February 28, 2011, 06:21:09 AM
Once I've chosen Proportional in Payment Method, there seems no changes with my BTC, is there something wrong? or just have to wait some time?
In Proportional mode your balance will increase in a next hour after finding a block.

Okay, thanks~


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: dingus on February 28, 2011, 07:11:09 AM
I keep getting RPC communication errors. Any idea?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 07:25:14 AM
I keep getting RPC communication errors. Any idea?
How much is your ping delay to deepbit.net ? Do you have any packet loss ?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: dishwara on February 28, 2011, 09:44:02 AM
Ya i too get RPC error so switched to slash.

Pinged deepbit.net & every time the average changed.
From 375 - 503ms around 20 times ran ping deepbit.net cmd


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: dingus on February 28, 2011, 12:37:38 PM
The RPC errors seem to go away after a few minutes. I guess it is a "your side" network problem. I am somewhat confused as to having multiple workers registered as opposed to just one. What is the advantage to having more than one worker registered?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: fornit on February 28, 2011, 01:40:19 PM
when i am not logged in, i can still see my shares and rewards in the statistics, even new ones, but cannot see the my account page. so somethings wrong with the sessions.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 03:01:25 PM
Can't seem to change my worker from proportional to pay-per-share.

It allows the change to be made via the edit worker but the "my account" still shows proportional for that worker.

EDIT - Had to log out and log back in to see the change


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~12 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on February 28, 2011, 05:08:07 PM
Might be a silly question but: Is this pool viable for someone with a laptop?
Yes, if you understand that you can't mine any serious amount of BTC by CPU with current difficulty.
But you can try, escpecially with Pay-Per-Share mode.

I do understand that. But I have no clue how to set this up. Could one of you wizards write a simple step by step "how to set this up" guide for windows users? It would be much appreciated, thanks!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~14 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 05:47:49 PM
I am somewhat confused as to having multiple workers registered as opposed to just one. What is the advantage to having more than one worker registered?
There is no difference. It's just for better statistics - you can see which one is not working and can set different payment sharing for different miners.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 07:25:17 PM
Pool updated:
1) ufasoft's SSE2 CPU miner is now supported
2) workers creation is allowed
3) payments list is available to users


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: theGECK on February 28, 2011, 07:39:22 PM
Attempting to throw ufasoft's miner at your pool, and getting these errors. The bold is the switches I tried to use to run the miner.
Quote
C:\CPUMiner>miner.exe -o deepbit.net:8332 -u xx@xx.xx -p xxx

0 MHash/s     Error 8007007B:  The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.

I closed the window with the error while typing this up, but when I put a "http://" in front of the deepbit.net part, it just said it couldn't make a connection.

It is connected to slush's pool right now, so I'm sure I'm just missing something.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on February 28, 2011, 07:53:32 PM
I'll put in a plug for the GUI front-end of m0mchil's poclbm miner here (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3878.0)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
Attempting to throw ufasoft's miner at your pool, and getting these errors. The bold is the switches I tried to use to run the miner.
Quote
C:\CPUMiner>miner.exe -o deepbit.net:8332 -u xx@xx.xx -p xxx
0 MHash/s     Error 8007007B:  The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.
I closed the window with the error while typing this up, but when I put a "http://" in front of the deepbit.net part, it just said it couldn't make a connection.
Just tried with vesion 0.3.2 and everything works fine. You should use http://deepbit.net:8332, not just the domain name. "The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect" is surely not pool's error but miner's one, ask ufasoft about this.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: theGECK on February 28, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
No longer getting the error, but getting 0 Mhash/s. In the past, that's only happened when username/password are wrong. After typing each in several times, and copy/pasting them straight from the account section, I'm still not getting any hashes.

Edit: It works, but takes some time to start showing work. Timed it to be exactly 60 seconds each time before the hash rate shows up. Not sure if this is on my end, or the pool's end.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 08:43:43 PM
No longer getting the error, but getting 0 Mhash/s. In the past, that's only happened when username/password are wrong. After typing each in several times, and copy/pasting them straight from the account section, I'm still not getting any hashes.

Edit: It works, but takes some time to start showing work. Timed it to be exactly 60 seconds each time before the hash rate shows up. Not sure if this is on my end, or the pool's end.
It sends first request without authorization field in http headers each time and tries to authorize only after receiving pool's answer about required login. I'll try to ask ufasoft to fix this behavior, but he uses external library that works that way, so i'm not sure if it will be better than now.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: wolfangel91 on February 28, 2011, 08:53:20 PM
Thanks Tycho your pool works fine :)  What is the best performance? Pay-Per-Share or Proportionnal ?   :D


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: theGECK on February 28, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
Thanks Tycho your pool works fine :)  What is the best performance? Pay-Per-Share or Proportionnal ?   :D

From what I've heard, PPS should end up being ~10% less than proportional, because you're transferring the risk of not finding a block to Tycho.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on February 28, 2011, 09:49:54 PM
Thanks Tycho your pool works fine :)  What is the best performance? Pay-Per-Share or Proportionnal ?   :D

From what I've heard, PPS should end up being ~10% less than proportional, because you're transferring the risk of not finding a block to Tycho.
No, it should not being 10% less because there is 3% fee for proportional. And sum wildly depends on luck.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: xenon481 on February 28, 2011, 09:52:38 PM
Thanks Tycho your pool works fine :)  What is the best performance? Pay-Per-Share or Proportionnal ?   :D

From what I've heard, PPS should end up being ~10% less than proportional, because you're transferring the risk of not finding a block to Tycho.
No, it should not being 10% less because there is 3% fee for proportional. And sum wildly depends on luck.

Right, over time PPS should add up to being 90% of theoretical while Proportional is 97% of theoretical. A difference of ~7%, not 10%.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: theGECK on February 28, 2011, 09:54:15 PM
Guess I should have clarified that - I forgot that the 3% was mandatory in this pool.

How's the test of the pool coming along? I see the hash/s rate is going up rapidly.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: Ricochet on February 28, 2011, 10:28:30 PM
I just now realized that the .:D:. in the title bar stood for Deepbit.  Thought it was an emoticon for a while now >_>


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: wolfangel91 on February 28, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
thanks all for your responses  ;)  I stay on proportional  ;D


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: Kiv on February 28, 2011, 11:47:01 PM
Hello everyone, I've made a GUI miner for poclbm and it works great with deepbit. If you don't like messing around with the command line and want a convenient miner, you should give it a try. Screenshot:

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq244/chrism67943/deepbit.png

The thread for it and download link is here. (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3878.0)

If you like it please consider a donation, I don't charge anything for my work because I want to see Bitcoin be successful, but donations would help convince my wife I'm not crazy for spending time on this :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: planalpha on February 28, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
Tycho-
I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.

Thanks


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 01, 2011, 12:02:46 AM
Hello everyone, I've made a GUI miner for poclbm and it works great with deepbit.
Thanks for posting :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 01, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Sadly there is no any info about that miner. Should it be --port 8332 or something else ? Are you sure about -r 8332


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: whyjustin on March 01, 2011, 12:10:45 AM
I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Sadly there is no any info about that miner. Should it be --port 8332 or something else ? Are you sure about -r 8332

HAHA I just copy pasta that to my command line and have been running for days. The port doesn't need to be specified since 8332 is default. The -p switch is already declared if you put your password before "-p 8332" so it doesn't do anything anyway; you can remove -p 8332 in its entirety.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: planalpha on March 01, 2011, 12:13:00 AM
Tycho-
Either should work. See usage:
Code:
usage: DiabloMiner -u myuser -p mypassword [args]
                   
 -d,--debug            enable extra debug output
 -f,--fps <arg>        target execution timing
 -g,--getwork <arg>    seconds between getwork refresh
 -h,--help             this help
 -o,--host <arg>       bitcoin host IP
 -p,--pass <arg>       password for host
 -r,--port <arg>        bitcoin host port
 -u,--user             username for host
 -w,--worksize <arg>   override worksize
 -x,--proxy <arg>      optional proxy settings IP:PORT<:username:password>



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: planalpha on March 01, 2011, 12:14:39 AM
I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Sadly there is no any info about that miner. Should it be --port 8332 or something else ? Are you sure about -r 8332

HAHA I just copy pasta that to my command line and have been running for days. The port doesn't need to be specified since 8332 is default. The -p switch is already declared if you put your password before "-p 8332" so it doesn't do anything anyway; you can remove -p 8332 in its entirety.

Hahha. Just noticed that myself!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: yoshi on March 01, 2011, 01:19:27 AM
Thanks Tycho your pool works fine :)  What is the best performance? Pay-Per-Share or Proportionnal ?   :D

From what I've heard, PPS should end up being ~10% less than proportional, because you're transferring the risk of not finding a block to Tycho.
No, it should not being 10% less because there is 3% fee for proportional. And sum wildly depends on luck.

Right, over time PPS should add up to being 90% of theoretical while Proportional is 97% of theoretical. A difference of ~7%, not 10%.

It did some quick math and it seems like PPS is more profitable than Proportional. This is because the chance of success for finding a block does not seem linear from the average of 55590.2 hashes. I seems like outliers for requiring more hashes can go far out to 200,000+ hashes, but you can never solve this in less than 1 hash. The distribution seems geometric? I haven't done math and statistics so someone more familiar in bitcoin hashes please explain how the search and block hits work.

From my calculations, if the average block takes 58061 or more hashes to solve, PPS becomes better than Proportional. For those who want to cheat the system, they just need to start each new block with Proportional. If the block isn't solved in 58061 hashes, they can immediately switch to PPS to maintain maximum payout. Once there is a jump in balance, they would know that a new block is started on and switch back to Proportional. I sorry to air this exploit, but it must be known to close this loophole. The good news is this approach requires tedious monitoring of the account page.

For me I believe the nonlinear distribution in solve times means that the average block is found in more than 58061 hashes. Right now I'm keeping my system as PPS since I'm lazy. However, if someone knows how the statistics of the bitcoin hashes work, please explain it in more detail.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 01, 2011, 01:24:50 AM
I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, when you use proportional, the shares you made with proportional stay proportional. Same with PPS.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: yoshi on March 01, 2011, 01:31:39 AM
I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, when you use proportional, the shares you made with proportional stay proportional. Same with PPS.

True, but at least by sticking with Proportional <58061, you can cash in on a quick block jackpot. Once you go above 58601 hashes, the value of each hash solved with proportional will fall below the value of a hash solved with PPS. Therefore you can limit the losses in value by switching modes for shares solved after 58601.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 01, 2011, 03:00:00 AM
I switched to PPS today and glad I did  ;)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 01, 2011, 03:21:38 AM
I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, when you use proportional, the shares you made with proportional stay proportional. Same with PPS.

True, but at least by sticking with Proportional <58061, you can cash in on a quick block jackpot. Once you go above 58601 hashes, the value of each hash solved with proportional will fall below the value of a hash solved with PPS. Therefore you can limit the losses in value by switching modes for shares solved after 58601.

Good point.

Oh well, I'll stick with PPS because I like quick feedback. lol


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: dingus on March 01, 2011, 03:25:47 AM
Every time I try to use this pool, it works for awhile. But, every time I come back and check up on my mining rig I see the RPC communication error. It seems to work for a number of hours and then just completely stop.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 01, 2011, 03:48:01 AM
Every time I try to use this pool, it works for awhile. But, every time I come back and check up on my mining rig I see the RPC communication error. It seems to work for a number of hours and then just completely stop.
Looks like your miner can't recover from communication errors.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~18 Gh/s
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 01, 2011, 04:09:15 AM
Every time I try to use this pool, it works for awhile. But, every time I come back and check up on my mining rig I see the RPC communication error. It seems to work for a number of hours and then just completely stop.
I have had some "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC" with poclbm now and then, but nothing serious. Have you come up with a means of automatically switching to another server when that occurs? I'm currently working on some Perl that switches to my local bitcoind and checks the pool connection every 30 seconds when I get those errors.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 01, 2011, 03:10:32 PM
@[Tycho],

Have you been tweaking the server?  I cannot login suddenly?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 01, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
Have recently joined the pool - nice work.

A couple of things I noticed:

In the "My Account" section, my Mhash/s is sometimes reported 10x what my miner says it is, which is interesting. A lot of the time though, I'm getting 0 for all the stats except balance - even though I'm generating shares in the miner.

I thought it would be useful to see the number of shares generated by each worker in the web interface - I am mining from a work PC. It would be nice to log in and check the number of shares from home.

I was also interested in knowing how you calculate the per-share rate, if it's not sensitive information of course.

Thanks


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: whyjustin on March 01, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
Have recently joined the pool - nice work.

A couple of things I noticed:

In the "My Account" section, my Mhash/s is sometimes reported 10x what my miner says it is, which is interesting. A lot of the time though, I'm getting 0 for all the stats except balance - even though I'm generating shares in the miner.

I thought it would be useful to see the number of shares generated by each worker in the web interface - I am mining from a work PC. It would be nice to log in and check the number of shares from home.

I was also interested in knowing how you calculate the per-share rate, if it's not sensitive information of course.

Thanks

The Mhash/s reported is the actualized Mhash/s determined by the number of shares passed to the server averaged over the last 7 minutes. The rate you see on your computer is the amount of work your actually doing. I would assume the reason you are seeing 0 is you have a low Mhash/s rate and therefore when you find a share your shares/7 minutes skyrockets but most of the time your shares/7 minutes is 0. This question was answered on the first page of the thread BTW.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 01, 2011, 09:08:03 PM
Hello, people.

Please set your getwork request period to 5 seconds if you are using longer one.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: slush on March 01, 2011, 09:45:45 PM
Please set your getwork request period to 5 seconds of you are using longer one.

Do you check validity of submitted shares? I mean, does your json interface return "false" when the share has older prevhash than the current bitcoin block is?

Originally I counted everything, but changed it right because those miners with very long ask period...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 01, 2011, 10:01:59 PM
Based on the last block generated, the payout per share was ((0.97 * 50)/105149 shares) = 0.000461250... BTC per share.

At the moment, the pay-per-share option pays you 0.00080949.... BTC per share, meaning it pays twice as well on the pay-per-share option, unless I'm mistaken.

I'm not sure I understand this - with pay per share, isn't the operator taking a greater risk by guaranteeing a fixed payout with uncertainty about how much time will be needed to create a new block. Therefore the price per share would be expected to be lower than the proportional payout, because the operator is hedging against risk.

I've switched to pay-per-share for now  :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 01, 2011, 10:24:47 PM
I'm not sure I understand this - with pay per share, isn't the operator taking a greater risk by guaranteeing a fixed payout with uncertainty about how much time will be needed to create a new block.
Yes, i do :)
Moreover, currently i also take the risk of paying for unconfirmed blocks, one of which was found today and will be paid to my customers as normal one.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 01, 2011, 10:28:30 PM
Update: Minimum payment threshold is 0.01 BTC now. I recommend setting it higher to prevent flooding the network with small transactions.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 01, 2011, 10:34:13 PM
Therefore the price per share would be expected to be lower than the proportional payout, because the operator is hedging against risk.
propotional payout should be
((0.97 * 50)/55590 shares) = 0.00087246
though that's on average, it varies a lot from block to block, if pool needs more shares to solve a block, proportional payout will be smaller,
if pools needs less shares to solve a block, proportional payout will be higher.

in your example, you took a block that needed a lot more than on average, so payout was a lot smaller.
on other blocks the pool solved, the payout was a lot higher.

here's some other examples that look quite different to yours:
01.03.2011 06:11:38 shares: 29398 = 0.00164977
01.03.2011 04:27:58 shares: 27938 = 0.00173599
28.02.2011 12:13:30 shares: 40899 = 0.00118585

in the end proportional mode depends on "pooled luck", pay-per-share doesn't.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 01, 2011, 10:43:35 PM
Quote
in your example, you took a block that needed a lot more than on average, so payout was a lot smaller.

True. I based it on the most recent block. Mostly, I am interested in how pay-per-share is determined. Based on the last block it would seem the operator would have lost out. Then there is the risk of unconfirmed blocks being paid out as well.

Not picking at all by the way, just fascinated by how it works.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: slush on March 01, 2011, 10:45:56 PM
Mostly, I am interested in how pay-per-share is determined.

One share in pay-per-share mode is 45 BTC / (current difficulty)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 01, 2011, 10:53:49 PM
Quote
One share in pay-per-share mode is 45 BTC / (current difficulty)

Blocks which take longer than statistically expected (give current difficulty) cost the operator more if he is paying out fixed pay-per-share (since it would be cheaper to pay proportionally, than by share at said rate.)

So faster than expected blocks benefit the operator, to the extent that he has fixed liabilities based on price-per-share of 45 BTC / current difficulty.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: songchen on March 01, 2011, 11:56:30 PM
Has anyone else had trouble connecting to deepbit.net?

I've done a bunch of cache clearing, router powercycling, and DNS juggling, but I still cannot ping or trace route to deepbit.net. :(

Anybody have an idea as to what the problem is? Am I being blocked at the ISP level or something?

update: working now! thanks, whatever you did tycho.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 02, 2011, 12:12:38 AM
Connecting fine here.
Do you mean the site(port 80) or mining(port 8332)?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 12:14:18 AM
Has anyone else had trouble connecting to deepbit.net?
I've done a bunch of cache clearing, router powercycling, and DNS juggling, but I still cannot ping or trace route to deepbit.net. :(
Anybody have an idea as to what the problem is? Am I being blocked at the ISP level or something?
Send me your IP address in PM, i'll check it.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: cactusbin on March 02, 2011, 03:09:48 AM
Suggestions:

1) Display the server time on the site. It is useful to know the relative time the last block was completed without have to do time zone conversions.

2) Make the "average speed" calculation the average over an hour or more. Currently, the statistic fluctuates 20MH/s every couple minutes for me, which is not useful at all. Perhaps make two or three averages? Current (7 minutes), Recent (couple hours), Lifetime (not including downtime).


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: sc8nt4u on March 02, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
Just joined with my 2x5970s as I was losing close to 2% of my blocks due to invalid/stale blocks. I hope your pool is as reliable as Slush's pool.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 02, 2011, 03:22:58 AM
So far so good for me - but remember it is _BETA_


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 04:19:14 AM
Suggestions:
1) Display the server time on the site. It is useful to know the relative time the last block was completed without have to do time zone conversions.
2) Make the "average speed" calculation the average over an hour or more. Currently, the statistic fluctuates 20MH/s every couple minutes for me, which is not useful at all. Perhaps make two or three averages? Current (7 minutes), Recent (couple hours), Lifetime (not including downtime).
1) Yes i was planning to do something about this. Server's time is GMT(UTC), so i didn't mentioned it before.
2) The point of the "luck meter" is to show current speed, so user can see if his miner is working correctly. I will think about adding hour average, just didn't wanted to stuff the pagee with too much info :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: planalpha on March 02, 2011, 05:06:59 AM
Tycho
I was wondering if you were planning on adding SSL to the website, at least for the login, but hopefully for it all.
That would be great since I know you have nothing better to do. :)

Thanks for setting all of this up!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 02, 2011, 05:31:42 AM
Tycho
I was wondering if you were planning on adding SSL to the website, at least for the login, but hopefully for it all.
That would be great since I know you have nothing better to do. :)

Thanks for setting all of this up!

I would be inclined to agree. While minimal damage could be done if someone else gets in, it would suck to lose our transfers to someone else because they changed the address our coins are sent to.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 05:59:43 AM
I was wondering if you were planning on adding SSL to the website, at least for the login, but hopefully for it all.
That would be great since I know you have nothing better to do. :)
Yes, this is possible, i'll look into it tomorrow. May be i can also add option to lock bitcoin address or reqire e-mail confirmation for changing it.
By the way, if THEY are sniffing or MITMing your connection, how are you going to get correct SSL certs for my site ?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: planalpha on March 02, 2011, 06:05:13 AM
Tycho-
You're correct if you plan on using a ssc, but that's a low risk at my house opposed to checking my stats at Starbucks.
:)

Thanks again.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 06:58:55 AM
You're correct if you plan on using a ssc, but that's a low risk at my house opposed to checking my stats at Starbucks. :)
Another option is to allow stats checking with just worker's password, without possibility to change anything.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: dishwara on March 02, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
I use chrome to login & got this warning.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lgpkjjingioekjianemgdobchenebhek 
SaferChrome extension.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9163/deepp.jpg

Please increase security to website.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on March 02, 2011, 01:52:34 PM
Tycho~
My current BTC have been already above my Minimum Value for Automatic Payment, but actually nothing happened then. I would ask that at which time of day the automatic payment could be executed.

Many thanks~


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 02, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Same question here please. It's been 24 hours and i haven't received what i earned. It used to be every 6-12 hours.

Thank you.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 02, 2011, 02:10:31 PM
Quote
Same question here please. It's been 24 hours and i haven't received what i earned. It used to be every 6-12 hours.

Ditto...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: m4rkiz on March 02, 2011, 04:58:59 PM
I was wondering if you were planning on adding SSL to the website, at least for the login, but hopefully for it all.
Yes, this is possible, i'll look into it tomorrow.

you may want to check this then http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3748.msg53973#msg53973


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 02, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
Question: Was it anywhere explained what the difference is between Pay-per-Share and proportional pay and why a share is fixed?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: digimag on March 02, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
Hey, it seems like it does work:

Code:
$ ./DiabloMiner-OSX.sh -u [] -p  [] -o deepbit.net -r 8332 -g 5
[02/03/11 19:27:41] Started
[02/03/11 19:27:43] Added GeForce 320M (#1) (6 CU, local work size of 64)
4346/5078 khash/sec

But there is no info on the website.

Last Share is still at "01.01 00:00:00"

And the average speed is still at "0.00 MH/s".

Am I doing something wrong?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 02, 2011, 07:01:42 PM
@digimag
Once you get something along the lines of "Accepted" in the console then you have successfully submitted a share. If you are in proportional then you wont see any money until a block is found. In PPS you'll see it updated on the hour.

Also, the average speed is just that, an average, and it only counts the shares you successfully submit.

@hazek
Yes, in this thread.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
Hey, it seems like it does work:

Code:
$ ./DiabloMiner-OSX.sh -u [] -p  [] -o deepbit.net -r 8332 -g 5
[02/03/11 19:27:41] Started
[02/03/11 19:27:43] Added GeForce 320M (#1) (6 CU, local work size of 64)
4346/5078 khash/sec

But there is no info on the website.
Last Share is still at "01.01 00:00:00"
And the average speed is still at "0.00 MH/s".
Am I doing something wrong?
Looks like you haven't found a share yet. 5 MH/s isn't so fast, you should wait a little longer.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: digimag on March 02, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
Looks like you haven't found a share yet. 5 MH/s isn't so fast, you should wait a little longer.

Haha if it's normal, ok. I don't know yet what a "share" is.

I also have a server. So if I add another worker with the "pay per share" reward it will all work out?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 02, 2011, 07:17:43 PM
Hey, it seems like it does work:

Code:
$ ./DiabloMiner-OSX.sh -u [] -p  [] -o deepbit.net -r 8332 -g 5
[02/03/11 19:27:41] Started
[02/03/11 19:27:43] Added GeForce 320M (#1) (6 CU, local work size of 64)
4346/5078 khash/sec

But there is no info on the website.

Last Share is still at "01.01 00:00:00"

And the average speed is still at "0.00 MH/s".

Am I doing something wrong?

My speed is ~4MH/s and I found 13 shares in the last 4 hours. That's will translate to around 0.6 BTC a day :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 07:22:25 PM
Same question here please. It's been 24 hours and i haven't received what i earned. It used to be every 6-12 hours.
Payments were delayed for a couple of hours due to additional checks (it's still beta and i want to be sure). Everything is paid now.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
Code:
$ ./DiabloMiner-OSX.sh -u [] -p  [] -o deepbit.net -r 8332 -g 5
[02/03/11 19:27:41] Started
[02/03/11 19:27:43] Added GeForce 320M (#1) (6 CU, local work size of 64)
4346/5078 khash/sec
And the average speed is still at "0.00 MH/s".
Am I doing something wrong?
My speed is ~4MH/s and I found 13 shares in the last 4 hours. That's will translate to around 0.6 BTC a day :)
You are using nVidia card insted of ATI's one.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 02, 2011, 07:28:56 PM
You are using nVidia card insted of ATI's one.

 :(  :-[ :P


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~25 Gh/s
Post by: dishwara on March 02, 2011, 07:37:17 PM
I was wondering if you were planning on adding SSL to the website, at least for the login, but hopefully for it all.
Yes, this is possible, i'll look into it tomorrow.

you may want to check this then http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3748.msg53973#msg53973

http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/free-ssl-certificate.html
http://www.rapidssl.com/switch-ssl/index.html


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 07:47:18 PM
UPDATE: Today at 21:00 UTC pool will be paused for software maintenance. Expected downtime is less than 10 minutes.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: dishwara on March 02, 2011, 07:59:11 PM
I got in my statistic & clicking the time bring out a page with this address & it says no such block.
01.03.2011 21:04:22   3h 05m   - Invalid -    0.35259366

http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000d8614794ab6ff02df69a80bc48535955db387be6c76b17448ded

What it actually means?

some one must find out before deep or i dont understand.
anyone please explain.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: digimag on March 02, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
Wait what does that mean?

Code:
[02/03/11 20:18:19] Block 1 found on GeForce 320M (#1)
[02/03/11 20:52:22] Block 2 found on GeForce 320M (#1)

When working in a pool, a block is just a "share", right?

Or did I really discovered two blocks in a row?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 02, 2011, 08:13:09 PM
Wait what does that mean?

Code:
[02/03/11 20:18:19] Block 1 found on GeForce 320M (#1)
[02/03/11 20:52:22] Block 2 found on GeForce 320M (#1)

When working in a pool, a block is just a "share", right?

Or did I really discovered two blocks in a row?

Not familiar with Diablo, but my guess is that yes, when pooled, block = share.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 08:32:04 PM
I got in my statistic & clicking the time bring out a page with this address & it says no such block.
01.03.2011 21:04:22   3h 05m   - Invalid -    0.35259366
http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000d8614794ab6ff02df69a80bc48535955db387be6c76b17448ded
What it actually means?
some one must find out before deep or i dont understand.
Block was found almost simultaneously by my pool and by someone else and the bitcoin network decided that other block was found earlier. This means that my block was discarded and considered invalid. When mining solo you would loose those 50 BTC, but currently in my pool you are insured against such thing and will receive your ~0.35 part.


Title: Re: New mining pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution
Post by: prcarter on March 02, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
EDIT: Still, it would be nice if the right data was placed there, so I'd at least know which real block I am contributing to!
Do you clearly understand what a "share" is and why you are working with difficulty-1 task ?
Just wanted to be sure.

For the record (it's just now that I notice), it looks like the prev_block hash in work.data is a little-endian series of big-endian 4-byte words:

Quote
prev_block: a7741e55 1833dce3 0d9e7e97 a11e5173 d3146037 f0e32a18 00004869 00000000
print: 00000000 00004869 f0e32a18 d3146037 a11e5173 0d9e7e97 1833dce3 a7741e55

I must have been blind.

EDIT: Though, the first 64-byte chunk is indeed ignored, at least by my miner client. It's not necessary for the calculation, since the server gives a ready "midstate".


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 02, 2011, 08:51:26 PM
Server down?

HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 09:04:10 PM
Server down?

HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.
Looks like you i should repeat this again...

UPDATE: Today at 21:00 UTC pool will be paused for software maintenance. Expected downtime is less than 10 minutes.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: niooron on March 02, 2011, 09:06:19 PM
I am getting redirected to videohal.com

What happened?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: sc8nt4u on March 02, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
I am getting redirected to videohal.com

What happened?

UPDATE: Today at 21:00 UTC pool will be paused for software maintenance. Expected downtime is less than 10 minutes.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 09:19:14 PM
UPDATE: Server is up, everything working fine.
Pool's database was moved to separate HDD for best perfomance.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: niooron on March 02, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
I am getting redirected to videohal.com

What happened?

UPDATE: Today at 21:00 UTC pool will be paused for software maintenance. Expected downtime is less than 10 minutes.


For a while I thought the server was hacked.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: DcyMatrix on March 02, 2011, 09:31:50 PM
Same question here please. It's been 24 hours and i haven't received what i earned. It used to be every 6-12 hours.
Payments were delayed for a couple of hours due to additional checks (it's still beta and i want to be sure). Everything is paid now.

Seems I still have some coins in my account, and not received them in my wallet either?? Are you sure they are all paid out? Or else I just found a bug :P

my address is: 1ALXMmVvtEyG1YpthG49HSYxd87MSKRgfN


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
Same question here please. It's been 24 hours and i haven't received what i earned. It used to be every 6-12 hours.
Payments were delayed for a couple of hours due to additional checks (it's still beta and i want to be sure). Everything is paid now.

Seems I still have some coins in my account, and not received them in my wallet either?? Are you sure they are all paid out? Or else I just found a bug :P
Tell me your login name and i'll check.
Also you can look at your payments list on site to see if there was a payment.

If your balance is over threshold AND less than 24 hours passed since last payment - then there are no problems.

EDIT: only 14h 10m since last payment. Everything is fine.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: DcyMatrix on March 02, 2011, 09:42:09 PM
Same question here please. It's been 24 hours and i haven't received what i earned. It used to be every 6-12 hours.
Payments were delayed for a couple of hours due to additional checks (it's still beta and i want to be sure). Everything is paid now.

Seems I still have some coins in my account, and not received them in my wallet either?? Are you sure they are all paid out? Or else I just found a bug :P
Tell me your login name and i'll check.
Also you can look at your payments list on site to see if there was a payment.

If your balance is over threshold AND less than 24 hours passed since last payment - then there are no problems.

EDIT: only 14h 10m since last payment. Everything is fine.

Thank you! :D Love the service!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: digimag on March 02, 2011, 10:24:20 PM
[Tycho], could we have the number of shares received displayed somewhere, please?

It would be more transparent.

Sometimes I get the impression that stats are not updated.

Example:

Code:
[02/03/11 22:38:34] Block 1 found on GeForce 320M (#1)
[02/03/11 22:46:02] Block 2 found on GeForce 320M (#1)
[02/03/11 23:18:06] Block 3 found on GeForce 320M (#1)

Only after the third block my average time was updated. But there is no way to know if all of my shares were taken into account.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 02, 2011, 10:34:56 PM
[Tycho], could we have the number of shares received displayed somewhere, please?
It would be more transparent.
Sometimes I get the impression that stats are not updated.

Example:
Code:
[02/03/11 22:38:34] Block 1 found on GeForce 320M (#1)
[02/03/11 22:46:02] Block 2 found on GeForce 320M (#1)
[02/03/11 23:18:06] Block 3 found on GeForce 320M (#1)

Only after the third block my average time was updated. But there is no way to know if all of my shares were taken into account.
Average speed is updated once per minute, no shares are lost if they are correct.
I'll think about adding shares/hour stats in next pool update.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: no_response on March 02, 2011, 10:45:43 PM
as I am going to link many PCs to farm for me, do I need to create a separate worker address for each PC or can I use only one?

I mean can I start 10 miners with the same username and password and will this work correctly?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 02, 2011, 10:46:21 PM
as I am going to link many PCs to farm for me, do I need to create a separate worker address for each PC or can I use only one?

I mean can I start 10 miners with the same username and password and will this work correctly?

Yes you can.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on March 03, 2011, 02:30:23 AM
First logged in, then after a few minute it turned out 'Unregistered'~

Any one with the same problem?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 02:44:19 AM
First logged in, then after a few minute it turned out 'Unregistered'~
Any one with the same problem?
Did your IP address changed in those mins ? Are cookies keeped in your browser ?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on March 03, 2011, 02:50:52 AM
First logged in, then after a few minute it turned out 'Unregistered'~
Any one with the same problem?
Did your IP address changed in those mins ? Are cookies keeped in your browser ?

Yeah, so I can't figure out where's the problem, actually yesterday when I logged in it was all OK~

If there is no one with the same problem, let me check my configuration again.

Thanks, Tycho~


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on March 03, 2011, 02:58:24 AM
I know where's the problem, my explorer(Sougou Explorer) has a option for accelerate network speed, which might be using some proxy servers for acceleration.

Once I turned it off, It's all okay again :D


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 03, 2011, 03:40:20 AM
Payments were delayed for a couple of hours due to additional checks (it's still beta and i want to be sure). Everything is paid now.
Thanks Tycho, as someone here said before, we just want to make sure we didn't fall prey to a bug that could cause our work to be lost. I've received my earnings indeed; i'll wait a bit more than 24 hours next time before asking :).


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: reflex99 on March 03, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
I'm liking this pool.

Good work.

Now i just need more video cards to run this  ;)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Ownski on March 03, 2011, 06:26:02 AM
Gonna be switching over to this pool from Bitpenny. The extra 7% makes a big difference for me.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 03, 2011, 08:07:25 AM
Quote
03.03.2011 05:14:31   0h 09m   3863

Fast.  :o


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 03:41:27 PM
@[Tycho]

Thanks again for running the server!  Do you foresee any issues on the network/hardware side that might drive up the current 3% fee if we grow closer to the size of slush's pool?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: curator on March 03, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
My first post!
My first pool!
Ran the Ufasoft overnight last night and made a shiny penny.

Thanks, Tycho.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 04:06:01 PM
4 blocks today with times under 55 minutes - NICE  ;D


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
Thanks again for running the server!  Do you foresee any issues on the network/hardware side that might drive up the current 3% fee if we grow closer to the size of slush's pool?
You are welcome :)
My pool software is much more efficient, so i don't see any problems with number of clients.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Sahtor on March 03, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
Whats the propability that my cpuminer got 0 shares in last 2 (edit: 3) blocks? They were solved in under an hour and my miner was running all day approx 700 khash/s.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 03, 2011, 04:37:52 PM
At 700kh/s, I would say it is quite possible you didn't get a share within an hour.
There are times my 3300kh/s doesn't get one for an hour, it's just luck.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 04:43:05 PM
Whats the propability that my cpuminer got 0 shares in last 2 (edit: 3) blocks? They were solved in under an hour and my miner was running all day approx 700 khash/s.
The average time to generate a block at 700 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 42 minutes, and 15 seconds.
Last two blocks visible to public were 30+32 minutes or 1 hour and 2 minutes, which is shorter than your expected 1 hour, 42 minutes
Try using GPU instead.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Ownski on March 03, 2011, 05:07:53 PM
Props on the pool @Tycho. Very efficient! I have gotten the best results here so far :) highest BTC out of all the pools.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: friendsofkim on March 03, 2011, 05:09:13 PM
Quote
03.03.2011 15:31:03   0h 30m    13757   
03.03.2011 15:00:07   0h 32m    14833   
03.03.2011 14:27:56   0h 53m    24684   
03.03.2011 13:34:48   0h 19m    8745   

That's a lot of luck.

@sahtor

At 1.5 MHash/s (about twice your speed) I've generated 69 shares in 48 hours.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 05:22:24 PM
I have been much happier on proportional of late as we are knocking out the blocks in quick fashion...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: slush on March 03, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
My pool software is much more efficient, so i don't see any problems with number of clients.

Hehe, don't say this - you are still on 30ghashes, I had no problems on this speed, too (and also don't have problem at current 90ghash/s).

And please don't forget that lot of issues was caused by non optimized miners; I spent weeks with miner developers to find those glitches and bugs. The last huge improvement was support for long living HTTP connections, this was the reason why I closed the pool registrations, because hundreds of miners connecting every few seconds literally DDoSed the server with SYN floods.

I never had troubles with speed of pool software itself and I see your statement as little unfair, because you didin't have to solve 90% of troubles which I had. Just my 2 cents...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 05:51:09 PM
My pool software is much more efficient, so i don't see any problems with number of clients.
Hehe, don't say this - you are still on 30ghashes, I had no problems on this speed, too (and also don't have problem at current 90ghash/s).
Quote
[03:51] <[Tycho]> On how many getworks/sec did you started to get problems in the first time ?
[03:51] <slush1> I think around 30ghash, not sure which getwork/s it was
I based my statement on those your words. If you weren't talking truth, then ok, my statement is not true too.
And since registration is still closed, i assumed that you had at least some problems with your current 90 Gh/s.

I never had troubles with speed of pool software itself and I see your statement as little unfair, because you didin't have to solve 90% of troubles which I had. Just my 2 cents...
I was talking about all the pool complex in total. Sorry, no offense intended.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: slush on March 03, 2011, 05:56:28 PM
Quote
[03:51] <[Tycho]> On how many getworks/sec did you started to get problems in the first time ?
[03:51] <slush1> I think around 30ghash, not sure which getwork/s it was

Nobody is lying here. Yes, in my case on 30ghash/s the bitcoind started to fail. But it is not related to hashrate, but to getworks/sec. As you're using the same core as me, you'll hit the same problems later.

But maybe no, because you know (from me) that there will be problems with bitcoind. That's the point. Btw, my pool software (not bitcoind) can handle thousands of getworks per second and I never had problems with speed of my custom software.

(Bts it's nice example of another issue, in the times when I made the pool, running more instances of bitcoind on the same machine was not possible because of hardcoded listening on the 8333 port.)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 06:08:04 PM
[Tycho] I don't know if you mentioned this before but are you going to limit to how many users can participate in the pool?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 06:09:53 PM
But maybe no, because you know (from me) that there will be problems with bitcoind. That's the point. Btw, my pool software (not bitcoind) can handle thousands of getworks per second and I never had problems with speed of my custom software.

(Bts it's nice example of another issue, in the times when I made the pool, running more instances of bitcoind on the same machine was not possible because of hardcoded listening on the 8333 port.)
Ok, sorry again for this, my statement was unsuitable. You are doing great work and thanks for info about bitcoind.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 06:12:20 PM
[Tycho] I don't know if you mentioned this before but are you going to limit to how many users can participate in the pool?
No, i'm not planning to set such restriction.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: slush on March 03, 2011, 06:18:10 PM
This is little offtopic, but the right reason why I closed registration was that in the some point pool started to grow exponentially (difficulty was low, bitcoin price was high and somebody slashdotted it) and I was too slow in adding more and more bitcoinds :). For current pool users, there is no reason for making pool even bigger; more ghash/s does not add any benefit for them.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 06:52:00 PM
I would be pleased if [Tycho]'s pool stayed right around 30-35Ghash  ;)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 03, 2011, 06:52:15 PM
What's the number in the bottom right corner on your web-site for? It keeps changing every time i switch pages.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 06:54:27 PM
What's the number in the bottom right corner on your web-site for? It keeps changing every time i switch pages.
It's time spent for generating this page. Not connected to the pool at all.
Letters and numbers at the bottom left corner is bitcoin address - you can send donations there :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
I would be pleased if [Tycho]'s pool stayed right around 30-35Ghash  ;)
Why ? :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
I would be pleased if [Tycho]'s pool stayed right around 30-35Ghash  ;)
Why ? :)

I imagine because with more the proportional share gets smaller and smaller for those with high speed hashing.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
I would be pleased if [Tycho]'s pool stayed right around 30-35Ghash  ;)
Why ? :)
I imagine because with more the proportional share gets smaller and smaller for those with high speed hashing.
Yes, is gets smaller, but more often. Overall reward per hour/day will be the same.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 07:58:09 PM
Yep - I understand my statement lacks logic...

Something about seeing rewards getting smaller is disappointing (even if they are more frequent)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
Could pools get so big that the difficulty gets so high that not being in a pool even if you have 4 GPUs of your own wont be worth mining anymore unless you also join a pool?

Could pools get so big that one pool could have enough hashing speed to actually compromise the network?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 03, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
Could pools get so big that the difficulty gets so high that not being in a pool even if you have 4 GPUs of your own you'll be better off in a poll then not?

From what I understand, it's actually approaching that fairly quickly.

Could pools get so big that one pool could have enough hashing speed to actually compromise the network?

Not sure I understand what you mean by compromising the network.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 03, 2011, 08:11:44 PM
Could pools get so big that the difficulty gets so high ...
difficulty gets higher with more network-hashing-power, doesn't matter if that power is pooled or not.
Quote
...wont be worth mining...
not a matter of difficulty, or hashpower at all.

Quote
Could pools get so big that one pool could have enough hashing speed to actually compromise the network?
in theory, yes.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 08:12:41 PM
Not sure I understand what you mean by compromising the network.

Well say that people join a pool that's being run on a server that belongs to someone who want's to attack the network and compromise the chain with fake transactions. I read countless of times on these forums and in the wiki that something like is impossible because someone would need a cpu power to match at least 50% of the rest of the network. Well isn't that what a pool is? Basically a server with the power of loads and loads of CPUs combined?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 08:14:40 PM
Quote
Could pools get so big that one pool could have enough hashing speed to actually compromise the network?
in theory, yes.


In theory?! Are you sure it's not just in theory? Isn't this a serious issue?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 03, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Not sure I understand what you mean by compromising the network.

Well say that people join a pool that's being run on a server that belongs to someone who want's to attack the network and compromise the chain with fake transactions. I read countless of times on these forums and in the wiki that something like is impossible because someone would need a cpu power to match at least 50% of the rest of the network. Well isn't that what a pool is? Basically a server with the power of loads and loads of CPUs combined?

Technically yes, but I think we will be seeing more pools in the future(already see 3 biggish ones), so having that much power isn't foreseeable.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 03, 2011, 08:17:25 PM
Isn't this a serious issue?
if you don't trust a pool-operator, don't use the pool.
it just takes a few seconds to switch to another pool, or solo-mining.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 08:20:47 PM
Isn't this a serious issue?
if you don't trust a pool-operator, don't use the pool.
it just takes a few seconds to switch to another pool, or solo-mining.

You make it sound like I'm spoiling the party or something when I'm only questioning the security of the network that could be threaten by pools. Relying on "the right people" to harness all that cpu power is a bit of a hole in security, don't you think?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 03, 2011, 08:22:59 PM
Based on my calculations, it won't be worth it to mine in a pool in 3 months; for me anyway. After that, i'm thinking of solo mining for the fees involved in transactions; read they go to whoever generates the block. I think they'll go higher; right now they're mostly non-existent (?).

We'll see soon enough anyway. Don't earnings become 2/3 every 10 days or so?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Nekrobios on March 03, 2011, 08:23:17 PM
There is already a lot of competition between pools, so this isnt an issue (anymore).


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 08:26:49 PM
There is already a lot of competition between pools, so this isnt an issue (anymore).

What if someone manages to hack and attack 3 or 4 or half of the pools at the same time and get them under their control? I don't know I'm just very worried when I see so much CPU power being harnessed by so few individual servers.

EDIT: Or better yet they attack and shutdown all the rest of the pools but their own??


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 03, 2011, 08:48:42 PM
they attack and shutdown all the rest of the pools but their own??

I don't really see the problem if this happens, they'll still get the same blocks they'd get otherwise. Anyone who'd do that is just plain stupid.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 08:49:06 PM
There is already a lot of competition between pools, so this isnt an issue (anymore).
What if someone manages to hack and attack 3 or 4 or half of the pools at the same time and get them under their control? I don't know I'm just very worried when I see so much CPU power being harnessed by so few individual servers.
EDIT: Or better yet they attack and shutdown all the rest of the pools but their own??
It's very unlikely that someone can not only hack all the pools, but do this simultaneously.
For this to happen, evil guy should gain access to all servers some days before the operation. As i know, currently our pools use completely different software and even operating systems. I think that pool operators will have enough time to warn people or shut everything down and good network will take control of the chain back again.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
they attack and shutdown all the rest of the pools but their own??
I don't really see the problem if this happens, they'll still get the same blocks they'd get otherwise. Anyone who'd do that is just plain stupid.
He is talking about overpower attack, but looks like he didn't read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Attacker_has_a_lot_of_computing_power
So if anyone can do this, not much harm can be done anyway.

And all current pools have only 1/4 of total network hashing power.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
My understanding of the "weakness" of pooling is there are fewer p2p nodes (users running the bitcoin client) since all clients of the pool are running a cpu/gpu mining program (poclbm, Diablo, Ufasoft, etc).

That said, I still run bitcoind on a server at home to help offset this "wekaness"


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 03, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
they attack and shutdown all the rest of the pools but their own??
I don't really see the problem if this happens, they'll still get the same blocks they'd get otherwise. Anyone who'd do that is just plain stupid.
He is talking about overpower attack, but looks like he didn't read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Attacker_has_a_lot_of_computing_power
So if anyone can do this, not much harm can be done anyway.

And all current pools have only 1/4 of total network hashing power.

Yeah I am and yeah I did just not carefully enough I guess.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 03, 2011, 09:08:24 PM
So if anyone can do this, not much harm can be done anyway.
Keyword! No-one who would think about doing such attack can spend so much, or even if he can it would be pointless to him. Unless he's a rich sadist.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 03, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
My understanding of the "weakness" of pooling is there are fewer p2p nodes (users running the bitcoin client) since all clients of the pool are running a cpu/gpu mining program (poclbm, Diablo, Ufasoft, etc).
That said, I still run bitcoind on a server at home to help offset this "wekaness"
People run bitcoin clients anyway to receive and spend their bitcoins :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 03, 2011, 09:16:49 PM
I wait will rejoice the day when I can easily spend my bitcoins


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 03, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
You make it sound like I'm spoiling the party or something
wasn't my intention
Quote
when I'm only questioning the security of the network that could be threaten by pools. Relying on "the right people" to harness all that cpu power is a bit of a hole in security, don't you think?
it's up to us, "the people", to care about security, the pool-operator doesn't own that much power, it's us.
it's not that the pool-operator can force us to use his pool, or something,
if WE don't like that much power in one hand, WE have to split that power into many hands and we can do that by the click of a button.

Based on my calculations, it won't be worth it to mine in a pool in 3 months
i'd like to see, what those calculations are based on
Quote
After that, i'm thinking of solo mining for the fees involved in transactions; read they go to whoever generates the block.
oh, so it will be worth mining for a few bitcents/block, but not worth it for 50bitcoins/block?   ???

Quote
Don't earnings become 2/3 every 10 days or so?
no


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 04, 2011, 12:10:53 AM
i'd like to see, what those calculations are based on
Try it yourself first, then tell me if what i'm saying is incorrect.

Quote
oh, so it will be worth mining for a few bitcents/block, but not worth it for 50bitcoins/block?   ???
Think about it; in the future when you start to get a block every 3 months, what will motivate you to continue mining? Then people will start to notice their transactions aren't going through, they'll read around and get the hint that in order to make their transactions be included in a miner's block, they should motivate him by adding a fee. Imagine how many transactions are in that long awaited block.

Well, it's just my opinion anyway, based on what i've read so far. If you disagree, by all means, share your opinion.

Quote
Don't earnings become 2/3 every 10 days or so?
Why not? Again, calculate it yourself then tell me if what i'm saying is incorrect. No shame in being wrong, but don't just say no and leave it at that.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 04, 2011, 12:16:42 AM
Then people will start to notice their transactions aren't going through, they'll read around and get the hint that in order to make their transactions be included in a miner's block, they should motivate him by adding a fee. Imagine how many transactions are in that long awaited block.
10 minutes aren't THAT long :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: myrkul on March 04, 2011, 12:25:07 AM
Think about it; in the future when you start to get a block every 3 months,

the 1 block/10 minutes is hard-coded into the system. If the difficulty gets too high, it will be reduced to maintain this.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 04, 2011, 12:42:00 AM
13 blocks today (March 3) and 12 blocks yesterday (March 2).  Good stuff!!!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 04, 2011, 01:14:48 AM
Loving it, my initial connection issues are gone.

A suggestion, how about a field for a list of addresses that can be sequential/randomized and reused/consumed instead of a single one, perhaps even per-miner?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 04, 2011, 02:02:38 AM
A suggestion, how about a field for a list of addresses that can be sequential/randomized and reused/consumed instead of a single one, perhaps even per-miner?
What may be the purpose of this ?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: polish-jack on March 04, 2011, 02:04:20 AM
I tried out the Pay-Per-Share payout method and found that it does not give any details as to how much was being paid out per block.  Is this a glitch or something that is not yet available?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 04, 2011, 02:05:52 AM
A suggestion, how about a field for a list of addresses that can be sequential/randomized and reused/consumed instead of a single one, perhaps even per-miner?
What may be the purpose of this ?
It'd be in-line with Bitcoin's creation of a new address for every transaction. More anonymity.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 04, 2011, 02:18:21 AM
I tried out the Pay-Per-Share payout method and found that it does not give any details as to how much was being paid out per block.  Is this a glitch or something that is not yet available?

From the Main Page:

Quote
Optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration.
Current rate is 0.00080949465069954 BTC per share.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 04, 2011, 02:19:54 AM
A suggestion, how about a field for a list of addresses that can be sequential/randomized and reused/consumed instead of a single one, perhaps even per-miner?
What may be the purpose of this ?
It'd be in-line with Bitcoin's creation of a new address for every transaction. More anonymity.

It's kind of pointless because the only person seeing them knows they are you anyways.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 04, 2011, 02:30:48 AM
I tried out the Pay-Per-Share payout method and found that it does not give any details as to how much was being paid out per block.  Is this a glitch or something that is not yet available?
PPS is not connected to blocks. You receive your reward for submitted shares.
Your balance is updated once per hour.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: polish-jack on March 04, 2011, 02:33:27 AM
I tried out the Pay-Per-Share payout method and found that it does not give any details as to how much was being paid out per block.  Is this a glitch or something that is not yet available?
PPS is not connected to blocks. You receive your reward for submitted shares.
Your balance is updated once per hour.

I get it now.  Thanks for the explanation.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 04, 2011, 02:33:28 AM
Opps, read block as share for some reason. ::)

^^Yeah that


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 04, 2011, 07:32:16 AM
the 1 block/10 minutes is hard-coded into the system. If the difficulty gets too high, it will be reduced to maintain this.
Thanks, seems i missed that while reading, thanks for correcting me. So, to actually depend on fees, we'll have to reach the point where the block generations rewards too little? That's too far away, so i guess we can enjoy it for a while longer than i thought :D.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 04, 2011, 09:03:09 AM
i'd like to see, what those calculations are based on
Try it yourself first, then tell me if what i'm saying is incorrect.
what you're saying is probably incorrect

Quote
Quote
oh, so it will be worth mining for a few bitcents/block, but not worth it for 50bitcoins/block?   ???
Think about it; in the future when you start to get a block every 3 months, what will motivate you to continue mining?
most current miners are motivated by profit,
as long as there is profit in mining, it doesn't matter, if you need 3 hours, 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, or 3 years to generate a block.


Quote
Quote
Don't earnings become 2/3 every 10 days or so?
Why not?
Why?
if you say earning == BTC per day, then you're right as far as it gets less every 2016 blocks,
but 1 BTC might have more value in 3 months than today,
you seem to know the future price already, i don't.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 04, 2011, 09:16:21 AM
if you say earning == BTC per day, then you're right as far as it gets less every 2016 blocks, but 1 BTC might have more value in 3 months than today, you seem to know the future price already, i don't.
Please, no sarcasm. You're right indeed, I forgot about the supply/demand rule, thanks. Time to re-think it over again, but i kindly disagree with you on the point that if it takes 3 years to generate a block at the same exchange rate, no-one will mine; let's agree to disagree on that.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~30 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 04, 2011, 09:53:15 AM
i kindly disagree with you on the point that if it takes 3 years to generate a block at the same exchange rate
i never said that


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: new_in_this on March 04, 2011, 01:53:46 PM
I was wondering that does it harm my rewards if i reboot computer (let it cool few hours) and shares in miner starts from beginning?
(i'm not sure how long my computer has been mining in a row)

My GPU and HDD's started to make odd sounds and fan speed is 70% ..


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 04, 2011, 02:51:25 PM
Man we're unlucky atm. Yesterday there was a period when it seemed like we had god mode on and were getting blocks within 30-50min but now even with ~30% increased speed it takes us for hoooooouuuuuurrrrrssss :S


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 04, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
Is something wrong with the pool server or is it me? I keep getting

Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:31:51, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:31:57, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:03, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:09, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:15, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:21, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:28, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:34, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:40, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:46, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:52, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:32:58, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:04, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:10, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:16, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:22, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:28, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:34, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:40, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:46, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:52, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:33:58, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:04, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:10, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:16, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:22, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:28, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:34, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:40, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:46, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:52, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:34:58, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:04, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:10, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:16, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:22, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:28, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:34, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:40, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:46, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:35:52, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:36:36, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:36:43, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:36:49, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:36:55, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:01, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:07, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:13, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:19, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:25, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:31, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:37, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:43, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:49, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:37:55, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:01, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:07, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:13, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:19, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:25, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:31, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "hazek": 04/03/2011 16:38:37, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

And if I ping you I get periods of Request time outs while if I ping anything else I don't?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: m4rkiz on March 04, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
I was wondering that does it harm my rewards if i reboot computer (let it cool few hours) and shares in miner starts from beginning?
no, it is like mining solo - you can break any time


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 04, 2011, 05:01:14 PM
@hazek

Had a couple second hiccup from the looks of it but other then that it's fine.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 04, 2011, 05:06:11 PM
The last 20 hours hasn't been kind -- would have been better if doing PPS.  This was not the case yesterday, however.

I can only suggest PPS for CPU mining and even more so OLD CPUs where the potential for not submitting a share on a very short "block found" would leave you missing a reward.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: digimag on March 04, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
Hum, it also seems to me that we have to trust the pool owner, because he has the possibility to cheat by occasionally submitting a block on his own without rewarding users.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: FooDSt4mP on March 04, 2011, 05:57:10 PM
Hum, it also seems to me that we have to trust the pool owner, because he has the possibility to cheat by occasionally submitting a block on his own without rewarding users.

Yes.  This has been well established in other threads.  All you can do is monitor your rewards and if you're too far from the average over a long period of time, than perhaps consider switching pools or mining solo.  That said, there are many people doing this for each pool, so if the pool owner did cheat, it would probably be noticed unless they did so very infrequently.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: new_in_this on March 04, 2011, 06:53:33 PM
@m4rkiz

Thanks for info, i was getting really worried about that weird noise coming from GPU. i thought it's end of road for that  :'(

Shutting down compputer and blowing possible dust away with air duster.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: RustyShackleford on March 04, 2011, 09:11:12 PM
I was wondering that does it harm my rewards if i reboot computer (let it cool few hours) and shares in miner starts from beginning?
(i'm not sure how long my computer has been mining in a row)

My GPU and HDD's started to make odd sounds and fan speed is 70% ..

@m4rkiz

Thanks for info, i was getting really worried about that weird noise coming from GPU. i thought it's end of road for that  :'(

Shutting down compputer and blowing possible dust away with air duster.

I would recommend against giving your computer a 'cooling cycle'. Heating up and cooling down puts more wear on your hardware than you would get letting it do what it was designed to do. The chips themselves will become useless for modern software long before actually -dying- from use. Sounds like you may need to replace a fan there though or you could burn out the chip (much more common).

Keeping it clean is a good start.

Bitcoin/Miners don't really do much hard drive activity, you may want to replace it if it's old while you can still read the data. I'd back up your wallet.dat to a usb drive NOW.


1FNyVLfEsK3W99wBbJMdVtvTbV9x4ZLWLk


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: mrballcb on March 04, 2011, 11:12:06 PM
Hi Tycho, your site is nice, and seems to be reliable.  Great job!  I have a small website change suggestion:  The user/pass login always shows in a box on top of the left pane, even when you're logged in.  I suggest to change it so that when you're logged in (and it shows it on the top right side), don't display the user/pass login boxes.  Instead, display "Welcome $USER" and/or a Logout link, or just nothing at all.  It _works_ properly, I'm not complaining about how well it works in the least :-)  Just that it from a UI perspective, it shouldn't continue to prompt you for login credentials if you've already logged in.

Great product!  Thanks!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: foo on March 04, 2011, 11:45:22 PM
Problem with the payouts today? Mine has been stuck in limbo for many hours now.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 12:01:21 AM
Problem with the payouts today? Mine has been stuck in limbo for many hours now.
At this moment there is NO delayed payments.
Look at your "payments" page and check if you had a payment in last 24 hours and that your balance is over threshold.

If you still think that there is a problem - PM me your login name.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 12:03:32 AM
Hi Tycho, your site is nice, and seems to be reliable.  Great job!  I have a small website change suggestion:  The user/pass login always shows in a box on top of the left pane, even when you're logged in.  I suggest to change it so that when you're logged in (and it shows it on the top right side), don't display the user/pass login boxes.  Instead, display "Welcome $USER" and/or a Logout link, or just nothing at all.  It _works_ properly, I'm not complaining about how well it works in the least :-)  Just that it from a UI perspective, it shouldn't continue to prompt you for login credentials if you've already logged in.
Thanks for your suggestion, i'll fix it.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: foo on March 05, 2011, 12:11:24 AM
Problem with the payouts today? Mine has been stuck in limbo for many hours now.
At this moment there is NO delayed payments.
Look at your "payments" page and check if you had a payment in last 24 hours and that your balance is over threshold.

If you still think that there is a problem - PM me your login name.
PM sent - the payment is listed on the site, but the blockexplorer link says "No such transaction".

EDIT: Got the payment now, thanks!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Problem with the payouts today? Mine has been stuck in limbo for many hours now.
At this moment there is NO delayed payments.
Look at your "payments" page and check if you had a payment in last 24 hours and that your balance is over threshold.
If you still think that there is a problem - PM me your login name.
PM sent - the payment is listed on the site, but the blockexplorer link says "No such transaction".

EDIT: Got the payment now, thanks!
Oh, so you were talking about network's delay, not payout delay :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: foo on March 05, 2011, 12:27:17 AM
PM sent - the payment is listed on the site, but the blockexplorer link says "No such transaction".

EDIT: Got the payment now, thanks!
Oh, so you were talking about network's delay, not payout delay :)
Well, I don't know what the holdup was, but I sent a couple of transactions between my wallets tonight (without paying fees) and they went through immediately, so the network seems to be working without delay.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 12:29:45 AM
Tough day for Deepbit - just 9 blocks  ::)



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 12:32:28 AM
Tough day for Deepbit - just 9 blocks  ::)
It should average out back to normal. Currently we have about ~52 000 shares per block at current difficulty which fits perfectly.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 12:37:01 AM
Tycho - agreed

9 - Friday (155 minute avg)
13 - Thursday (93 minute avg)
12 - Wednesday (129 minute avg)
8 - Tuesday (211 minute avg)
3 - Monday (448 minute avg)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 01:43:58 AM
UPDATE:
  • Now you can set your timezone, all dates will be shown with your local time.
  • Login box is now hidden when you are logged in.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: mrballcb on March 05, 2011, 01:54:35 AM
I suggest to change it so that when you're logged in (and it shows it on the top right side), don't display the user/pass login boxes.
Thanks for your suggestion, i'll fix it.
Holy crap that was fast.  Awesome, thanks!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 02:23:14 AM
BAD BAD BAD luck...

No blocks for almost 7 hours!  ::)

For our hash power 95% is 5:13



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: yunk3r on March 05, 2011, 02:45:00 AM
is the server down right now?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 02:50:02 AM
I can connect but think something is wrong...

1.  When I switch to PPS in the past my credits would accumulate every minute or two -- just ran it for 5 minutes and no change.  Yes, I know the disclaimer says updates once per hour but that isn't how it was working on Wednesday.

2.  We are now past 8 hours without a block!

I know slush and tycho discussed slush's pool having issues (with bitcoind) as it neared 30GH/s.  Hoping that isn't the issue here!


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 02:53:40 AM
is the server down right now?
No.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 02:56:07 AM
1.  When I switch to PPS in the past my credits would accumulate every minute or two -- just ran it for 5 minutes and no change.  Yes, I know the disclaimer says updates once per hour but that isn't how it was working on Wednesday.
Fast update was enabled only for testing. Now it's once per hour, as it should be. You haven't noticed change in the disclaimer :)

2.  We are now past 8 hours without a block!
I know slush and tycho discussed slush's pool having issues (with bitcoind) as it neared 30GH/s.  Hoping that isn't the issue here!
No, everything is working as it should.

EDIT: Today slush's pool had at least two blocks that took more than 200 000 shares each, so it's still perfectly possible unlucky round.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 02:59:14 AM
OK - thanks Tycho!

EDIT : Credits for the PPS shares just appeared as Tycho said it would.  8)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: polish-jack on March 05, 2011, 04:13:26 AM
I am using my GTX 480 for mining and it's crunching at about 106 Mhash/s.  Is it better for me to be on Pay-Per-Share or Proportional payout?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 04:31:01 AM
I'd say proportional...



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: sc8nt4u on March 05, 2011, 04:35:22 AM
I am using my GTX 480 for mining and it's crunching at about 106 Mhash/s.  Is it better for me to be on Pay-Per-Share or Proportional payout?

I would sell it and replace it with an ATI.

You are using roughly ~500w @ full load. With 80% PSU efficiency you're pulling 600w from the wall. 600w/hour * 24 hours/day * 30 days = 432 Kwh and at $0.10/Kwh, you would be paying $43.20 a month in electricity and pull in about 57.5 BTC per month or $52.33 a month at current difficulty and current Mt.Gox market price, netting $9.13/mo.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: polish-jack on March 05, 2011, 04:42:42 AM
I am using my GTX 480 for mining and it's crunching at about 106 Mhash/s.  Is it better for me to be on Pay-Per-Share or Proportional payout?

I would sell it and replace it with an ATI.

You are using roughly ~500w @ full load. With 80% PSU efficiency you're pulling 600w from the wall. 600w/hour * 24 hours/day * 30 days = 432 Kwh and at $0.10/Kwh, you would be paying $43.20 a month in electricity and pull in about 57.5 BTC per month or $52.33 a month at current difficulty and current Mt.Gox market price, netting $9.13/mo.

I don't like using ATI cards, their driver support for Linux is not very good.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 05, 2011, 04:47:09 AM
I am using my GTX 480 for mining and it's crunching at about 106 Mhash/s.  Is it better for me to be on Pay-Per-Share or Proportional payout?
I would sell it and replace it with an ATI.
You are using roughly ~500w @ full load. With 80% PSU efficiency you're pulling 600w from the wall. 600w/hour * 24 hours/day * 30 days = 432 Kwh and at $0.10/Kwh, you would be paying $43.20 a month in electricity and pull in about 57.5 BTC per month or $52.33 a month at current difficulty and current Mt.Gox market price, netting $9.13/mo.
I don't like using ATI cards, their driver support for Linux is not very good.
Only if mining or other integer stream processing is not your main goal. ATIs are many times faster than nVidia in mining.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: sc8nt4u on March 05, 2011, 04:58:17 AM
I am using my GTX 480 for mining and it's crunching at about 106 Mhash/s.  Is it better for me to be on Pay-Per-Share or Proportional payout?

I would sell it and replace it with an ATI.

You are using roughly ~500w @ full load. With 80% PSU efficiency you're pulling 600w from the wall. 600w/hour * 24 hours/day * 30 days = 432 Kwh and at $0.10/Kwh, you would be paying $43.20 a month in electricity and pull in about 57.5 BTC per month or $52.33 a month at current difficulty and current Mt.Gox market price, netting $9.13/mo.

I don't like using ATI cards, their driver support for Linux is not very good.

Well I can't change your mind, but here's some food for thought. You could probably get 5.5x your current Mhash on 2x5870s with at most 50w increase at stock clocks. This would most likely be within your current PSUs power envelope; so you would not need to replace the PSU.

Answering your original question, I would do proportional.



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: bitjet on March 05, 2011, 05:29:50 AM


Answering your original question, I would do proportional.



Hitting four 5 hour blocks in a day might make you change your mind. ;)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: sc8nt4u on March 05, 2011, 05:35:01 AM


Answering your original question, I would do proportional.



Hitting four 5 hour blocks in a day might make you change your mind. ;)

Not as bad as my solo mining average  :P


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: williamthec on March 05, 2011, 06:21:45 AM
I think maybe ATI cards are much better at 32bits integer computing, which is necessary for cryptography~

Actually my GTX260+ has only 50Mh/s, I'm going to change it for a 5850.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: phathash on March 05, 2011, 08:05:18 AM
No block for 12 hours?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: VastLite on March 05, 2011, 08:32:10 AM
It has not been a good day for us proportional users...  :(


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: new_in_this on March 05, 2011, 09:48:40 AM
Back in mining :)

HDD was burning hot when i closed my computer and was having lot's of difficulties to boot. It was under warranty and i got replacement disk.

Luckily i'm over paranoid with backups and didn't lose any important info and files :) I think that burning hot HDD caused my GPU fan to near max out as inside case was reallyreally hot :o

OK, back to topic.

Could someone explain proportional/pay per share in a way that i understand (think i'm stupid)?


EDIT:
@[Tycho]: could you set forum link attribute to open in new window/tab?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 05, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
Could someone explain proportional/pay per share in a way that i understand?

Here you go ...

I just want to make sure i've understood the difference, please ...
Proportional: Reward is based on finding a block. (I think i'm wrong here)
Pay-per-Share: Reward is based on the number of shares submitted, and the price specified on the homepage per share.
Yes, you are right.
Proportional: you get your part of the block when it's found. If you submitted 10000 shares and the block took 20000 to solve, you get half of all the reward.
Pay-per-Share: you get that fixed price for every share instantly, even if block is not found yet.

This does need to be simplified a bit more, e.g.

Proportional: . . .  you get half of all the reward, less three percent, which is commission to the pool operator.
Pay-per-Share: . . . that fixed price is, on average, ten percent less than you would get on a statistical average over the long term.

I think these are fair commissions as they are in line with others.  I mention it here only because if it is not completely clear to everyone, people are going to jump all over you when they finally get a clue and they are going to accuse you of cheating them.  Look at Slush's pool . . . people were asking him pointed questions, as if he were up to no good, at a time he wasn't even charging anything.  Just FYI, the only reason I left Slush's pool is that I was getting a large percentage of invalid/stale responses which may have accounted for a percentage of loss larger than anyone's commission.  That may have been a problem on my end, and not with Slush's pool, but since it has apparently been eliminated, I will stick with your pool for awhile.  My motto:  Put all of your eggs in one basket.  Then watch that basket.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 12:45:18 PM
I switched to PPS last night until I see us getting stable again with results.

EDIT: My PPS is even well below normal.  Just 0.08823492 last hour.  I should be nearer .315/hour with 488Mhash/s based on my calculations.

Last hour back at .331 - as it should be - will watch this today...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: kosovito on March 05, 2011, 01:46:48 PM
Just a simple question from a noob.

Is needed to run bitcoin with Generating Coins activated?? or running mining in a cmd is ok??

Thanks


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 05, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
Just a simple question from a noob.

Is needed to run bitcoin with Generating Coins activated?? or running mining in a cmd is ok??

Thanks

If you are generating coins with a miner and connected to deepbit, then no, you do no have to have the regular client up at all.

If you are using a cpu miner, having generate coins on in the regular client would be a counter productive thing to do as well.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: electrotime on March 05, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
Hi, Im new here...

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1066/paypershare.png

What would you recommend for me? PPS or Proportional?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: kosovito on March 05, 2011, 02:14:43 PM
Just a simple question from a noob.

Is needed to run bitcoin with Generating Coins activated?? or running mining in a cmd is ok??

Thanks

If you are generating coins with a miner and connected to deepbit, then no, you do no have to have the regular client up at all.

If you are using a cpu miner, having generate coins on in the regular client would be a counter productive thing to do as well.

Ok, then, i have a GUI miner running, and bitcoint too (but disabled generating coins)
This is the mining:

http://i53.tinypic.com/15d51ci.jpg

Is that ok then??

Thanks


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 05, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Hi, Im new here...

What would you recommend for me? PPS or Proportional?

Definitely proportional. But you have to understand there's a bit of variance involved so in short periods PpS is more constant but if you intend to run it for at least a week which is how long I think it'll take to even out for how fast the pool finds blocks you'll get more with proportional.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 05, 2011, 02:38:42 PM

Is that ok then??

Thanks

Yep.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: foo on March 05, 2011, 03:17:57 PM
Man, variance is a bitch... :P
Time/Link             Found in   Total shares
05.03.2011 15:57:27   0h 02m     1746
...
05.03.2011 11:00:13   13h 21m    394614


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: electrotime on March 05, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
Definitely proportional. But you have to understand there's a bit of variance involved so in short periods PpS is more constant but if you intend to run it for at least a week which is how long I think it'll take to even out for how fast the pool finds blocks you'll get more with proportional.

Thank you! I'll follow your advice... ^^


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
It certainly appears that after we find a block in a short time (i.e., less than 60 minutes) the next block is closer to 4-5 hours.
Code:
05.03.2011 12:19:40 3h 02m
05.03.2011 09:17:00 0h 16m

05.03.2011 09:00:13 13h 21m
04.03.2011 19:39:11 0h 38m

04.03.2011 11:40:10 3h 55m
04.03.2011 07:44:57 0h 03m

04.03.2011 07:41:48 5h 35m
04.03.2011 02:06:22 0h 55m
04.03.2011 01:11:19 4h 52m
03.03.2011 20:19:12 0h 12m

The exception is the "God Run" we had on 3 March where we had 5 in a row less than an hour...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 05, 2011, 03:43:59 PM
Man, variance is a bitch... :P
Time/Link             Found in   Total shares
05.03.2011 15:57:27   0h 02m     1746
...
05.03.2011 11:00:13   13h 21m    394614


No kidding:

Time/Link       Found in         Total shares     Reward
05.03.2011 14:57:27   0h 02m    1746   None


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: wolfdog on March 05, 2011, 04:18:46 PM
I switched to PPS last night until I see us getting stable again with results.

EDIT: My PPS is even well below normal.  Just 0.08823492 last hour.  I should be nearer .315/hour with 488Mhash/s based on my calculations.

Last hour back at .331 - as it should be - will watch this today...

I just switched too and I am seeing much more consistent results, which is to be expected :).  Maybe I will switch back, but I doubt it since I like seeing consistent results.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 05:20:26 PM
Wolfdog,

There is a 10% fee for PPS so in the long run it isn't as good as proportional.  That said, I do like the consistent $.33/BTC per hour


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 05, 2011, 06:18:24 PM
Thought i'd make myself a simple script to show me when i go below 0.2 hourly average (PPS average, to switch to that). deepbit is treating me well :).

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6623/miningaverage.th.png (http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6623/miningaverage.png)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: new_in_this on March 05, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
@os008:
Thanks, it was on page 5 and for some reason i didn't see it even i've read all replies so far.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 05, 2011, 06:40:33 PM
No problem.

I think my Excel sheet needs revision. It's totally off. Anyway, the average so far is higher than the PPS average by 22% over the period of 3 days (0.2 vs 0.243). At least for me. So i'm happy.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 05, 2011, 06:53:04 PM
I missed a few quick ones

Back to proportional - be patient...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: new_in_this on March 05, 2011, 06:58:58 PM
That sheet looks cool, are you considering sharing it? Or does it work only for you?
(i'm new to this all, so sorry if this was stupid question)

Currently i don't have any "office" installed, but i was thinking on installing LibreOffice as Microsoft Office is so expensive..


Also i changed to proportional, been running pay per share for few days and i think i notice difference in few days too.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 05, 2011, 07:10:46 PM
That sheet looks cool, are you considering sharing it? Or does it work only for you?
Ask all you want man, no worries. If you want, i'd share it of course. You have to populate it from the "statistics" page on deepbit's web-site though. It works for a single person only. Just fill the Hours column with the "Hours" it took to give you each reward, and the minutes with the minutes, and the reward with the reward given, that's it. My style is always n00bish at programming (whatever form), that's why any script/program i've ever made looked completely n00by :D. If you have any questions just ask me in a PM please.

MiningHourlyAvg (55590).zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/wu4Kcj_i/MiningHourlyAvg__55590_.html)

note: Upload folder on the forums is full.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: VastLite on March 05, 2011, 11:57:20 PM
Is there a non-volatile way to add rows or do I have to redo the equation for each row in the spreadsheet every time I want to add a new block?  ???

Edit: I finally figured out what was going wrong, I wasn't paying attention to where I was clicking, the equations do auto-adjust to row number. My friend gave me a handy equation for filling out the forms: "60/min*amout" So it's 60, divided by the minutes the block took, multiplied by how much you earned that block; very handy.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: jkminkov on March 06, 2011, 12:21:57 AM
That sheet looks cool, are you considering sharing it? Or does it work only for you?
Ask all you want man, no worries. If you want, i'd share it of course. You have to populate it from the "statistics" page on deepbit's web-site though. It works for a single person only. Just fill the Hours column with the "Hours" it took to give you each reward, and the minutes with the minutes, and the reward with the reward given, that's it. My style is always n00bish at programming (whatever form), that's why any script/program i've ever made looked completely n00by :D. If you have any questions just ask me in a PM please.

MiningHourlyAvg (55590).zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/wu4Kcj_i/MiningHourlyAvg__55590_.html)

note: Upload folder on the forums is full.

@ bottom line

PPS 1,086 ...... 0,119

which number I have to put for my config and from where do I get them?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 06, 2011, 02:05:53 AM
Getting close to 50Gh/s  :o


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: RustyShackleford on March 06, 2011, 02:49:04 AM
been mining for days now on my 9800GTX+ and it's been awesome (woohoo, 3 BTC :D! )

but I just got this for the first time ever, solo or pooled or whatever, any idea?
http://i.imgur.com/9MCfm.png



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 06, 2011, 05:18:38 AM
which number I have to put for my config and from where do I get them?
Add a row just below the first row, copy the row below the one you just added (for the equations), then paste it in the new empty row, then replace the Hours, Minutes, and Reward cells.

I know it's ridiculously annoying, but i didn't make it for the public, sorry. I hope Tyco makes something like this on his web-site.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~45 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 06, 2011, 12:38:23 PM
which number I have to put for my config and from where do I get them?
Add a row just below the first row, copy the row below the one you just added (for the equations), then paste it in the new empty row, then replace the Hours, Minutes, and Reward cells.

I know it's ridiculously annoying, but i didn't make it for the public, sorry. I hope Tyco makes something like this on his web-site.

That is how I made my sheet as well  :P


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~40 Gh/s
Post by: dishwara on March 06, 2011, 03:59:15 PM
UPDATE:
  • Now you can set your timezone, all dates will be shown with your local time.
  • Login box is now hidden when you are logged in.

Can u set time zone in with decimal point also?
I am from India, & i have to choose 5 or 6, but mine is 5.3 actually.
Can u add that?
Thanks.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 06, 2011, 05:20:01 PM
I will not switch to PPS
I will not switch to PPS
I will not switch to PPS
 ::)

Bad luck continues...

At 44Ghash we should be 1h30m average.  95% is 4h30m.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 06, 2011, 08:20:55 PM
Worst 3 block streak this month...

06.03.2011 17:54:05   5h 16m   
06.03.2011 12:38:04   5h 58m      
06.03.2011 06:39:11   3h 17m      


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: slush on March 06, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
Bad luck continues...

Pick one of mode and don't switch after few lucky/unlucky rounds. People should stop thinking about one round; this is probability, gentlemen.

I bet that many people switching between two modes frequently will make less than with one of them all the time, because:

a) When they see few lucky rounds and switch to share based, pool will have long rounds then and
b) When they see few long rounds and switch to PPS, pool will have few very short rounds, because

BUT IN AVERAGE, IT IS STILL THE SAME

One round does not depend on another. Depends on your personality, pick one of mode and keep them; it's the best what you can do.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: new_in_this on March 06, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
Yesterday i switched to proportional and my BTC dropped dramatically :/ From 3 (using pay per share) to 1 (on this proportional)
I'm not sure, but i think that my system is not powerful enough for proportional method and my shares are not helpful.

Going to use proportional for one day more and then back to pay per share option.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 06, 2011, 11:37:21 PM
We had a very tough day - only 6 blocks - I am switching to PPS shortly


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: xenon481 on March 07, 2011, 12:15:19 AM
Why oh why oh why don't people understand statistics and probability?  ???  :-\ :-\ :-\


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 07, 2011, 12:25:02 AM
I do understand it - just get frustrated is all  ;D

My horizon is very short...


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: dingus on March 07, 2011, 01:15:16 AM
I am having trouble understanding the payment system. I have my automatic payment set to 10 BTC. Wouldn't that make it to where I get my reward when my balance reaches 10 BTC? Currently, my balance is at ~17 BTC. Why hasn't the automatic payment been sent?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: yunk3r on March 07, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
I am having trouble understanding the payment system. I have my automatic payment set to 10 BTC. Wouldn't that make it to where I get my reward when my balance reaches 10 BTC? Currently, my balance is at ~17 BTC. Why hasn't the automatic payment been sent?

the payout only happens once per day so if the balance has been over 10 for more than 24 hours than something is wrong.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 07, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
Why oh why oh why don't people understand statistics and probability?  ???  :-\ :-\ :-\

Don't know but it makes me a happy camper, especially when I play poker :)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 01:19:25 AM
I am having trouble understanding the payment system. I have my automatic payment set to 10 BTC. Wouldn't that make it to where I get my reward when my balance reaches 10 BTC? Currently, my balance is at ~17 BTC. Why hasn't the automatic payment been sent?
As i said some times here, in main post and on main page of site - during beta stage payments are processed daily because of additional checks :)
And one other reason: MANY people set their threshold to 0.01 BTC and tried even smaller numbers, so if i would pay every hour, it will flood the network with lots of low-priority transactions, which is not nice.

Just forced one payment for someone with ~17 BTC.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 01:20:57 AM
Looks like people are still confused with two existing reward distributhing modes, so now i'm working on third one.
Hope you'll like it.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 01:24:40 AM
Suppose more options are better. Interested in what this one will be. lol


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: purpleeggguy on March 07, 2011, 01:35:02 AM
Looks like people are still confused with two existing reward distributhing modes, so now i'm working on third one.
Hope you'll like it.

I kind of wish it would automatically select the option with the greatest payout based on your hash speed, although I suppose that would be less than ideal for the pool.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: dingus on March 07, 2011, 01:40:59 AM
I am having trouble understanding the payment system. I have my automatic payment set to 10 BTC. Wouldn't that make it to where I get my reward when my balance reaches 10 BTC? Currently, my balance is at ~17 BTC. Why hasn't the automatic payment been sent?
As i said some times here, in main post and on main page of site - during beta stage payments are processed daily because of additional checks :)
And one other reason: MANY people set their threshold to 0.01 BTC and tried even smaller numbers, so if i would pay every hour, it will flood the network with lots of low-priority transactions, which is not nice.

Just forced one payment for someone with ~17 BTC.

Oops! Sorry for being stupid, I should've read more carefully.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 01:46:43 AM
Looks like people are still confused with two existing reward distributhing modes, so now i'm working on third one.
Hope you'll like it.

I kind of wish it would automatically select the option with the greatest payout based on your hash speed, although I suppose that would be less than ideal for the pool.

My guess is that while if you are on the extremes of the speed it is easy enough to figure that out, but for those around the middle, it can be difficult to say which is better.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 07, 2011, 02:42:55 AM
Looks like people are still confused with two existing reward distributhing modes, so now i'm working on third one.
Hope you'll like it.

I kind of wish it would automatically select the option with the greatest payout based on your hash speed, although I suppose that would be less than ideal for the pool.

My guess is that while if you are on the extremes of the speed it is easy enough to figure that out, but for those around the middle, it can be difficult to say which is better.
there is no way, no matter what hashrate you have, to automagically switch to option with the greatest payout,
except maybe if you own a time-machine, but i guess then you would have better stuff todo with it anyway.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 02:53:18 AM
Looks like people are still confused with two existing reward distributhing modes, so now i'm working on third one.
Hope you'll like it.

I kind of wish it would automatically select the option with the greatest payout based on your hash speed, although I suppose that would be less than ideal for the pool.

My guess is that while if you are on the extremes of the speed it is easy enough to figure that out, but for those around the middle, it can be difficult to say which is better.
there is no way, no matter what hashrate you have, to automagically switch to option with the greatest payout,
except maybe if you own a time-machine, but i guess then you would have better stuff todo with it anyway.


It is (in theory) possible to take an average hashrate (and from extension, average amount of shares of some time) and figure out how much you can expect to make in the long run using the different payouts.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 03:03:43 AM
Would it be possible to get the payouts listed in descending order? (Newest on top)


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: BitLex on March 07, 2011, 03:06:53 AM
It is (in theory) possible to take an average hashrate (and from extension, average amount of shares of some time) and figure out how much you can expect to make in the long run using the different payouts.
well, in the long run you'll get <7% more from proportional, that's what you can expect.
no need to take your hashrate or any imaginary numbers into account.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 03:13:26 AM
It is (in theory) possible to take an average hashrate (and from extension, average amount of shares of some time) and figure out how much you can expect to make in the long run using the different payouts.
well, in the long run you'll get <7% more from proportional, that's what you can expect.
no need to take your hashrate or any imaginary numbers into account.


I would say not true for those with lower hashrates, but could be wrong.

Quote
any imaginary numbers into account.

No need to be snide.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 03:38:13 AM
It is (in theory) possible to take an average hashrate (and from extension, average amount of shares of some time) and figure out how much you can expect to make in the long run using the different payouts.
well, in the long run you'll get <7% more from proportional, that's what you can expect.
no need to take your hashrate or any imaginary numbers into account.
I would say not true for those with lower hashrates, but could be wrong.
Should be true for anyone.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 03:38:42 AM
Would it be possible to get the payouts listed in descending order? (Newest on top)
It's possible, but what is your reason for that ?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 03:41:37 AM
It is (in theory) possible to take an average hashrate (and from extension, average amount of shares of some time) and figure out how much you can expect to make in the long run using the different payouts.
well, in the long run you'll get <7% more from proportional, that's what you can expect.
no need to take your hashrate or any imaginary numbers into account.
I would say not true for those with lower hashrates, but could be wrong.
Should be true for anyone.


Then I stand corrected.
Was thinking the chance to miss blocks with lower hash rates might make a difference.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 03:43:26 AM
Would it be possible to get the payouts listed in descending order? (Newest on top)
It's possible, but what is your reason for that ?

Well, it's not a problem right now. But once there is quite a few transfers, it would be nice to just see the latest one sent without having to scroll to the bottom.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 03:45:12 AM
well, in the long run you'll get <7% more from proportional, that's what you can expect.
no need to take your hashrate or any imaginary numbers into account.
I would say not true for those with lower hashrates, but could be wrong.
Should be true for anyone.
Then I stand corrected.
Was thinking the chance to miss blocks with lower hash rates might make a difference.
If you miss each one of two rounds, then you need ~twice more hashrate. Then you will have, possibly, one share in each round, which gives you twice the reward, just proportional to your speed.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: Neereus on March 07, 2011, 03:49:58 AM
well, in the long run you'll get <7% more from proportional, that's what you can expect.
no need to take your hashrate or any imaginary numbers into account.
I would say not true for those with lower hashrates, but could be wrong.
Should be true for anyone.
Then I stand corrected.
Was thinking the chance to miss blocks with lower hash rates might make a difference.
If you miss each one of two rounds, then you need ~twice more hashrate. Then you will have, possibly, one share in each round, which gives you twice the reward, just proportional to your speed.

Makes sense, thanks.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 07, 2011, 07:12:49 AM
I made 0.19246032 in no time at all:
Code:
07.03.2011 00:19:21 0h 00m 252 0.19246032


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: sc8nt4u on March 07, 2011, 07:39:41 AM
I made 0.19246032 in no time at all:
Code:
07.03.2011 00:19:21 0h 00m 252 0.19246032

22 seconds.

06.03.2011 21:19:21   0h 00m   252    1.53968254
06.03.2011 21:18:59   0h 18m   12021    1.44035438


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 08:05:37 AM
Geezus proportional is profitable again.
It's always the same on average, as i said earlier.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: edric on March 07, 2011, 08:42:38 AM
Found a block in 22 seconds.. NICE! lol


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 07, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
Much better nite - "luck" has returned and statistics and probability remain intact  ;D


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 07, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
It's always the same on average, as i said earlier.
I've noticed that indeed. In the end if you work on both 24/7 it should even-out sometime to be the same average. In Proportional mode my average fluctuates between 0.16BTC and 0.25BTC per hour (0.202 average). In PPS it's always 0.2 exactly. I'm currently using PPS just because i sometimes lose connection, and when it returns it sends shares during the long sessions in Proportional, which makes my average drop too low.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: paulofisch on March 07, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
So, for those doing a frogger between Prop. and PPS, another thing to consider is that if the rate of block discovery goes down through difficulty or lack of luck, I'm assuming the price in PPS will surely drop anyway in the long term.

PPS isn't a license to 'beat-the-market', it's there to even-out rewards at a cost of 7% to you, the miner.

In the short term, Tycho is bankrolling PPS when we have a bad run in the pool, but long-term the market demands he reduce the price of PPS unless he has deep bitpockets and a generous soul :-)

EDIT: If a block is taking around 10 mins for the network as a whole, then we're hoovering up around 8.5% of blocks at the moment. Does that compute?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 07, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
PPS is a way for some people who lose too much to Proportional because of not mining 24/7. But also, it brings more profit to Tyco. From what i've seen, and the averages i've calculated, it's exactly the same for Tyco, he doesn't pay anything from his own pocket in the long run. Except that PPS gives him 7% more profit, but more beneficial for some people.

PPS rate is calculated from the current difficulty. So it will be re-adjusted as soon as the new difficulty is set. He does not change it during any given difficulty.

If i'm mistaken, please correct me.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
So, for those doing a frogger between Prop. and PPS, another thing to consider is that if the rate of block discovery goes down through difficulty or lack of luck, I'm assuming the price in PPS will surely drop anyway in the long term.
Currently i'm working on something like mode separation and the third reward option which will make Prop-PPS jumpers safe for honest users.

EDIT: So it's someone called "Tyco" who steals all my profit ?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 07, 2011, 02:27:48 PM
PPS is a way for some people who lose too much to Proportional because of not mining 24/7. But also, it brings more profit to Tyco. From what i've seen, and the averages i've calculated, it's exactly the same for Tyco, he doesn't pay anything from his own pocket in the long run. Except that PPS gives him 7% more profit, but more beneficial for some people.

PPS rate is calculated from the current difficulty. So it will be re-adjusted as soon as the new difficulty is set. He does not change it during any given difficulty.

If i'm mistaken, please correct me.

With the current estimated new difficulty at 77748 the new PPS should be ~ 0.00057879302361476.

PPS has 10% fee (where proportional is 3%).  So take 45 / 77748 = PPS rate per share.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 07, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
So it's someone called "Tyco" who steals all my profit ?
LOL, sorry man, i wrote it as i pronounced it; forgot there's an "h". Honest mistake :D.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: nster on March 07, 2011, 03:13:02 PM
Sorry, I know this is a complete newbie question but, can anyone explain to me what proportional method of payment is?

If I understand correctly, you get paid for every share to find with PPS, and with proportional you get paid the number of shares you contributed to finding a block?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 07, 2011, 03:14:29 PM
My balance got emptied but I didn't receive anything, is everything ok?


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: bitjet on March 07, 2011, 03:36:12 PM
My balance got emptied but I didn't receive anything, is everything ok?

Can confirm that I received mine at 1:43 am.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 07, 2011, 03:45:52 PM
If I understand correctly, you get paid for every share to find with PPS, and with proportional you get paid the number of shares you contributed to finding a block?

Here you go ...

I just want to make sure i've understood the difference, please ...
Proportional: Reward is based on finding a block. (I think i'm wrong here)
Pay-per-Share: Reward is based on the number of shares submitted, and the price specified on the homepage per share.
Yes, you are right.
Proportional: you get your part of the block when it's found. If you submitted 10000 shares and the block took 20000 to solve, you get half of all the reward.
Pay-per-Share: you get that fixed price for every share instantly, even if block is not found yet.

This does need to be simplified a bit more, e.g.

Proportional: . . .  you get half of all the reward, less three percent, which is commission to the pool operator.
Pay-per-Share: . . . that fixed price is, on average, ten percent less than you would get on a statistical average over the long term.

I think these are fair commissions as they are in line with others.  I mention it here only because if it is not completely clear to everyone, people are going to jump all over you when they finally get a clue and they are going to accuse you of cheating them.  Look at Slush's pool . . . people were asking him pointed questions, as if he were up to no good, at a time he wasn't even charging anything.  Just FYI, the only reason I left Slush's pool is that I was getting a large percentage of invalid/stale responses which may have accounted for a percentage of loss larger than anyone's commission.  That may have been a problem on my end, and not with Slush's pool, but since it has apparently been eliminated, I will stick with your pool for awhile.  My motto:  Put all of your eggs in one basket.  Then watch that basket.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: bitjet on March 07, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
How accurate are the hash rates on the 'my account' page?

For example, Ihave 2 instances of poclbm running and it says a pretty steady number of 298mhps on both. So just under 600mhps. But the server says Im hitting it with 650mhps. Is this a graphic issue on my end?



Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: nster on March 07, 2011, 03:52:38 PM

Here you go ...


Yea that's what I figured, thanks


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 07, 2011, 04:03:52 PM
How accurate are the hash rates on the 'my account' page?

For example, Ihave 2 instances of poclbm running and it says a pretty steady number of 298mhps on both. So just under 600mhps. But the server says Im hitting it with 650mhps. Is this a graphic issue on my end?


I think the server only calculates it for that particular 7min interval you submitted a hash block in.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: nster on March 07, 2011, 04:04:45 PM
How accurate are the hash rates on the 'my account' page?

For example, Ihave 2 instances of poclbm running and it says a pretty steady number of 298mhps on both. So just under 600mhps. But the server says Im hitting it with 650mhps. Is this a graphic issue on my end?



this goes up and down, at the end, your average will come to your actual Mh/s, but else it varies (ie: I vary between 150 and 350Mh/s but I'm actually mining at 273Mh/s)

It is indeed because of the 7 min thing


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: bitjet on March 07, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
How accurate are the hash rates on the 'my account' page?

For example, Ihave 2 instances of poclbm running and it says a pretty steady number of 298mhps on both. So just under 600mhps. But the server says Im hitting it with 650mhps. Is this a graphic issue on my end?


I think the server only calculates it for that particular 7min interval you submitted a hash block in.

Regardless, my question still stands. It always says my hash rate is higher than what I am seeing on my end.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: nster on March 07, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
How accurate are the hash rates on the 'my account' page?

For example, Ihave 2 instances of poclbm running and it says a pretty steady number of 298mhps on both. So just under 600mhps. But the server says Im hitting it with 650mhps. Is this a graphic issue on my end?


I think the server only calculates it for that particular 7min interval you submitted a hash block in.

Regardless, my question still stands. It always says my hash rate is higher than what I am seeing on my end.

You will see it be below at some point, you will see


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: paulofisch on March 07, 2011, 04:14:05 PM
Regardless, my question still stands. It always says my hash rate is higher than what I am seeing on my end.

This rate is based on how many shares you submit in a given 7 minute period to the server, rather than your actual reported rate on the client.

Each share is good for about 14.2MH/s. So far you've been quite lucky it seems.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 07, 2011, 11:04:38 PM
My balance got emptied but I didn't receive anything, is everything ok?
Open your payments list on deepbit site and check if there was a payment. It should be there.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: JWU42 on March 08, 2011, 01:02:49 AM
19 blocks today  ;D


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: hazek on March 08, 2011, 03:15:08 AM
19 blocks today  ;D

Yay for me and my laptop, I missed 10.  :'(


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: jkminkov on March 08, 2011, 07:48:06 AM
can you tell me 156Mhash/s how many shares/hour(average, minimum?) should produce - please with formulae :)

I'm a bit lost as I don't run 24/7


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: paulofisch on March 08, 2011, 08:05:24 AM
can you tell me 156Mhash/s how many shares/hour(average, minimum?) should produce - please with formulae :)

At 26Mhps I'm getting around 20 shares an hour. This has ranged between 13 and 26 though just last night.

Using this as a base you should be getting of the order of 120 shares per hour.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: [Tycho] on March 08, 2011, 08:07:01 AM
can you tell me 156Mhash/s how many shares/hour(average, minimum?) should produce - please with formulae :)
I'm a bit lost as I don't run 24/7
The expected generation output, at 156000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 2.8226040045 BTC per day and 0.117608500188 BTC per hour (actually 3% less because of fee in Proportional mode). And this difficulty may change tomorrow. Use online mining calculator :)
The average time to generate a block solo at 156000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 2 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, 8 minutes, and 21 seconds

Multiply number of shares per minute by 71 and you may possible get your speed in MH/s.
paulofisch gets 20 per hour, and (20/60)*71 = 23 MH/s
Calculate backwards if you want to get shares/minute for given speed.


Title: Re: New pool with proportional and pay-per-share reward distribution, ~50 Gh/s
Post by: os008 on March 08, 2011, 12:39:25 PM
250 shares/hour here @300MH/s.


Title: Re: (~50 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) New pool with proportional and pay-per-share modes
Post by: os008 on March 08, 2011, 10:56:38 PM
Which web-site provides info about the next expected difficulty value and date please? http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/ is down 99% of the time.


Title: Re: (~50 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) New pool with proportional and pay-per-share modes
Post by: BitLex on March 08, 2011, 11:03:53 PM
http://bitcoincharts.com shows next estimated difficulty in <number of blocks>, besides other useful information.


Title: Re: (~50 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) New pool with proportional and pay-per-share modes
Post by: os008 on March 08, 2011, 11:07:05 PM
Thank you Lex; that's a really cool web-site.


Title: Re: (~50 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) New pool with proportional and pay-per-share modes
Post by: BitLex on March 08, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
one of my favourites too,
be sure to show tcatm (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=592) some love.  ;)


Title: Re: (~50 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) New pool with proportional and pay-per-share modes
Post by: [Tycho] on March 10, 2011, 08:18:10 AM
Which web-site provides info about the next expected difficulty value and date please? http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/ is down 99% of the time.
You can also use bot in #bitcoin-dev @ irc.freenode.org
Very useful for calculations :)


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: os008 on March 10, 2011, 10:53:53 AM
Thank you, will try the IRC also.


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: JWU42 on March 11, 2011, 02:45:09 PM
Tough 12 hour stretch here  >:(


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: [Tycho] on March 11, 2011, 03:38:09 PM
What is Long Polling ?

Usually the pool gives each miner some "job" to be done - a range of data that miner will hash one by one in search for the share. This "job" is unique for every block and changes every time when new block appears in bitcoin chain and every time when new transaction is added to possible block by the pool. If someone finds a block and after this you submit your share, calculated from old "job", it's considered stale and is wasted.

Most GPU miners need about 10-30 seconds do try all the possible hashes in this "job" and then should ask the pool for next one, but currently it happens more frequently - about every 10 seconds miner just drops it's current job and asks for next just to be sure that it's fresh and has all new data. Miners do have options to configure this number. The longer is this interval - the higher is your chance to submit stale share.
Someone can reduce their server's load by modifying the miner so it will ask for new job only when current one is finished completely. This way it requests for a new one with bigger intervals, but also with bigger chance that it's work will be futile. They also can decide to take shares not only from this round, but previous one too (which favours CPU miners and reduces reward for GPU ones). This is a nice idea and it's effect on server load is great, but there is something else that can be done for the mining to be more fair...

Long Polling is a special extension to bitcoin RPC protocol that allows pool to notify the miner about new blocks, so it can drop calculations currently in progress and immediately start new ones without loosing time and power. I expect this to cause several percent rise of miner's efficiency.
The first client software with Long Polling support will be the new version of m0mchil's OpenCL miner which is expected to be released soon.

I hope that beta test of this feature will be successfull.



Also there is a new share counter on each worker's page, tonight it will be enhanced, improved and upgraded :)


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 11, 2011, 04:01:41 PM
Sounds great, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming)). Hope it "tightens time" :P.


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: mrballcb on March 11, 2011, 09:25:38 PM
Web interface feature request:

Purely for aesthetics, on the statistics page would it possible to identify which blocks were submitted by your pool? An asterisk would be sufficient IMHO, but you could just as easily add a "Pool Hit" column with a checkmark if your pool submitted that block.  If the "claiming" of that block goes against the Anonymous nature of the currency, I understand a "no I won't do that" answer.


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: JWU42 on March 11, 2011, 09:53:54 PM
What is Long Polling ?

<snip>


Also there is a new share counter on each worker's page, tonight it will be enhanced, improved and upgraded :)

Thanks for the education!


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: jkminkov on March 12, 2011, 08:57:08 AM
What is Long Polling ?
The first client software with Long Polling support will be the new version of m0mchil's OpenCL miner which is expected to be released soon.

I hope that beta test of this feature will be successfull.




ok, it's out, how to enable that? use "-a 10" instead of "-a 5" ?


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: [Tycho] on March 12, 2011, 09:09:45 AM
What is Long Polling ?
The first client software with Long Polling support will be the new version of m0mchil's OpenCL miner which is expected to be released soon.
I hope that beta test of this feature will be successfull.
ok, it's out, how to enable that? use "-a 10" instead of "-a 5" ?
It's enabled by default. -a parameter is not used with long polling.


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: Cablesaurus on March 12, 2011, 09:43:01 AM
Is long polling useful at all for solo mining?


Title: Re: (~55 Gh/s, OPEN REGISTRATION) Mining pool with classic and pay-per-share modes
Post by: [Tycho] on March 12, 2011, 10:03:22 AM
Is long polling useful at all for solo mining?
Yes, but it's not supported by official bitcoind, so you can't use it in solo mining yet.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: Kiv on March 12, 2011, 02:22:17 PM
Great to see long polling arrive! I will update my GUI this weekend with support for it.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: [Tycho] on March 12, 2011, 11:06:23 PM
Update your miners, please.

Long Polling is working now, so you can download latest poclbm miner (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334.0) and use it with DeepBit.
This new feature will eliminate stale shares and your mining efficiency may rise up to ~1.7% more on average (depends on your GPU speed and luck).

What is Long Polling ? Explained here (http://deepbit.net/longpolling.php).



Font size was increased in some parts of the site. Is it better or worse now ?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: Neereus on March 13, 2011, 09:37:35 PM
Font size increase was mostly good. Only the payments section seems to be adversely affected with the date causing it to "double line" the table. But not a big deal so overall the change was good.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: kosovito on March 13, 2011, 10:32:51 PM
Have a little problem.

Since a couple of days, i cant receive payments, i dunno why, but my maximum value for automatics payments is set to "1", but i have 3btc's in my account.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: FairUser on March 13, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
Update your miners, please.

Long Polling is working now, so you can download latest poclbm miner (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334.0) and use it with DeepBit.
This new feature will eliminate stale shares and your mining efficiency may rise up to ~1.7% more on average (depends on your GPU speed and luck).

What is Long Polling ? Explained here (http://deepbit.net/longpolling.php).



Font size was increased in some parts of the site. Is it better or worse now ?

That certainly is one way to do it!  Not bad... :)


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: [Tycho] on March 14, 2011, 04:59:50 AM
Since a couple of days, i cant receive payments, i dunno why, but my maximum value for automatics payments is set to "1", but i have 3btc's in my account.
Tell me your login name please, i'll check it.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: kosovito on March 14, 2011, 06:03:03 AM
Since a couple of days, i cant receive payments, i dunno why, but my maximum value for automatics payments is set to "1", but i have 3btc's in my account.
Tell me your login name please, i'll check it.

Fixed

Thanks


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: Neereus on March 14, 2011, 03:54:54 PM
Currently using the GUI version of poclbm with long polling. (The new one)
I have actually gotten 4 stale shares since using it, when before long polling I never got one.
Just wondering how normal that is?

Edit: Just checked the console, seems there were some "long poll exceptions". I suppose it could have been because of these?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: wootwoot on March 14, 2011, 05:26:46 PM
When will the graph section of the website be functional?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: BitLex on March 14, 2011, 07:16:41 PM
it seems i get more and more of these
Quote
Stale hash. To reduce stales, use long polling, e.g. latest m0mchil's python miner
while already using latest m0mchil's python miner.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 14, 2011, 10:02:10 PM

Hi Tycho,

my timezone is not supported, my machines are operating in Timezone GMT+13

would you mind adding that one?

cheers.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: [Tycho] on March 14, 2011, 10:14:26 PM
my timezone is not supported, my machines are operating in Timezone GMT+13
would you mind adding that one?
Fixed.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: [Tycho] on March 15, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
it seems i get more and more of these
Quote
Stale hash. To reduce stales, use long polling, e.g. latest m0mchil's python miner
while already using latest m0mchil's python miner.
I see that you are sending more stale shares than expected (but less than 1%, anyway).
Trying to find the cause of this.


Title: Re: New minig pool with fair reward distribution
Post by: ronaldmaustin on March 15, 2011, 07:31:27 AM
Please remove the word "fair" from your thread title. Implying that Slush is purposefully "unfair" is an offensive patently false lie propagated through an unwillingness to understand statistics. (and pure malice by some)

Slush has shown the statistical charts proving that the score based reward system distributes just as equally as a shares based reward system.

I also "like" the implication that a 3% fee is more "fair" than a 2% fee.

Please remove the words "patently false" from your post.  Any lie is, by definition, patently false.  Please also remove the words "Slush" and "purposefully" since there is nothing in the original post mentioning Slush or that anybody has done anything on purpose.  While you are at it, remove the word "imply"  since the original statements did not imply anything more than stated.  "Propagated" is improper since the misunderstanding of statistics actually diminishes on this board, as good people like yourself explain probability.  "Unwillingness" is also incorrect, since the people who spread rumors are usually just stupid and not "unwilling" to "understand".  In fact, we know nothing about their level of understanding, so strike that too.  Your post must read, "Please the thread title offensive lie statistics."  When you are done editing, please leave this forum for one week in compliance with your new rule that one forum member can direct another on what he or she must do.
 


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: bombo999 on March 15, 2011, 12:14:42 PM
troll


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: [Tycho] on March 15, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
UPDATES:
  • Now you can see number of contributed shares per each worker.
  • Stale shares percentage is also shown. If you are sending more than 1% stale shares and are mining with GPU, please update your miner to the latest version of m0mchil's poclbm miner.
  • Worker names are shown in red color if no share was received in the last 30 minutes.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: mrballcb on March 15, 2011, 04:07:59 PM
it seems i get more and more of these
Quote
Stale hash. To reduce stales, use long polling, e.g. latest m0mchil's python miner
while already using latest m0mchil's python miner.
I see that you are sending more stale shares than expected (but less than 1%, anyway).
Trying to find the cause of this.
I've got two machines mining, both at fairly low bitrates, 6M and 73M.  Both of them are running the latest poclbm.  My status page (for accounts tlyons@ive.*) show my two accounts at 1.91% and 1.49% stale, respectively.  Is that statistic over the life of the account?  Because I just started using the new poclbm about 24 hours ago, but was using it for a couple weeks before that.

In addition, I see log entries such as this occasionally (times are UTC -0700) :
Code:
15/03/2011 06:40:30, 5ab08224, accepted
15/03/2011 06:41:38, long poll: Deepbit is temporarily unavailable
15/03/2011 06:42:13, ea0227f4, accepted
15/03/2011 06:42:57, d260477e, accepted
15/03/2011 06:43:45, long poll: new block
I suspect the last line is long polling working as suspected, where the server pushes out an update request to me when it receives a new block.  I also suspect the second line is just you doing work on the system and restarting things, but that's a guess.

I also see this occasionally:
Code:
15/03/2011 08:41:16, long poll: backend error
Is there anything I might want to tweak on this?

Regards...        Todd


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s] Mining pool with both payment methods. No stales, no failed blocks !
Post by: [Tycho] on March 15, 2011, 04:16:09 PM
I've got two machines mining, both at fairly low bitrates, 6M and 73M.  Both of them are running the latest poclbm.  My status page (for accounts tlyons@ive.*) show my two accounts at 1.91% and 1.49% stale, respectively.  Is that statistic over the life of the account?  Because I just started using the new poclbm about 24 hours ago, but was using it for a couple weeks before that.
Look at each worker's page - there is a time and date of last reset for those counters. Today i'll add manual reset button for users.
If you switched to long polling just one day ago, then it includes old results too. If everything is working correctly, then stale percentage should be decrementing slowly.

I also see this occasionally:
Code:
15/03/2011 08:41:16, long poll: backend error
Is there anything I might want to tweak on this?
This one is already fixed.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: Dr. Arnold on March 15, 2011, 10:58:18 PM
Hey Tycho, Great pool you've got running however I've been using the latest version (2011/03/11) m0mchil's python miner but it seems that long polling isn't working for some reason.

I get these messages when mining occasionally:
Quote
15/03/2011 17:41:31, long poll: new block
Stale hash. To reduce stales, use long polling, e.g. latest m0mchil's python min

And my stats page says I've been submitting 0.97% and 2.21% stale shares for my miners

Any idea how I can get long polling working? There's no extra flags required to enable it, correct?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 16, 2011, 06:33:00 AM
Any idea how I can get long polling working? There's no extra flags required to enable it, correct?
Tell me your login name so can check it at my side.
What is hashing speed of your miners ?

BTW, if you see a stale hash instantly after "new block" message, it means that your miner sent it's result just some milliseconds before or after LP notify, so it's normal. But 2% is definitely not normal for Long Polling. Is this number decreasing now or not ?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: nster on March 16, 2011, 08:06:10 AM
I get 0.6~0.7 stale share with LP I believe. Not bad, but not perfect


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 16, 2011, 09:01:03 AM
I get 0.6~0.7 stale share with LP I believe. Not bad, but not perfect
It's very hard to get stales percentage lower than 0.3% because of network delay.
And it depends on your hashing speed too. Your result is normal.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: slush on March 16, 2011, 09:55:12 AM
I get 0.6~0.7 stale share with LP I believe. Not bad, but not perfect

Nothing is perfect and LP don't lead to absolute zero of stale shares; there are still latencies in server broadcasts, on network level, miner have to refresh his job internally etc. I think 0.3% is the minimum which can be done with current infrastructure, so 0.6% isn't SO bad.

Btw I'm thinking that better number for showing LP effectivity should be (stale shares)/(new blocks notifications), which tell us in how many cases was the LP broadcast too late. It is more exact than (stale shares)/(submitted shares), because this number depends also on bitcoin network speed (difficulty and hashrate) and when new blocks are coming faster or slower than before, this number will be affected. What do you think, Tycho?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: JWU42 on March 16, 2011, 11:21:01 AM
I am at .19% stale  ;D

Two crappy days in a row with 11 and 10 blocks found, respectively.


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jaybob20 on March 16, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
I run find for a bit and then get these "errors" and it stops submitting new blocks. I set my timeout to 15. Any ideas?

16/03/2011 01:17:07, 310189 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:17:07, d3eab41a, accepted
16/03/2011 01:17:08, 310087 khash/s
....
16/03/2011 01:17:50, 310167 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:17:50, 18364559, accepted
16/03/2011 01:17:51, 310008 khash/s
....
16/03/2011 01:18:14, 310228 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:18:14, Wrong data: checkWork: this nonce already completed
16/03/2011 01:18:15, 310012 khash/s
.....
16/03/2011 01:19:28, 309955 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:19:29, long poll: new block
16/03/2011 01:19:29, 302538 khash/s
.....
16/03/2011 01:24:45, 309991 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:24:45, Wrong data: checkWork: this nonce already completed
16/03/2011 01:24:46, 309802 khash/s
....
16/03/2011 01:29:24, 309983 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:29:24, Wrong data: checkWork: No record for this data, please set
lower getwork timeout (5 seconds)
16/03/2011 01:29:26, 309819 khash/s
.....
16/03/2011 01:30:41, 309976 khash/s
16/03/2011 01:30:42, Wrong data: checkWork: No record for this data, please set
lower getwork timeout (5 seconds)
16/03/2011 01:30:43, 309700 khash/s


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: m0mchil on March 16, 2011, 06:28:04 PM
... I set my timeout to 15 ...

What are your command line options? How do you set the timeout?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jaybob20 on March 16, 2011, 08:19:57 PM
... I set my timeout to 15 ...

What are your command line options? How do you set the timeout?
python poclbm.py -d0 --host=deepbit.net --port=8332 --user=xxxxxxx --pass=xxxxxx -v -w 128 --verbose
I also lowered the clocks on my card to minimums to see if that was making things strange.
I also removed the frames flag.

I set the timeout in the python fileBitcoinMiner.py TIMEOUT = 15, I did that after having problems, and I'm still getting problems.
I have the latest git pull from a day ago.


17/03/2011 08:56:34, 225438 khash/s
17/03/2011 08:56:34, Stale hash. To reduce stales, use long polling, e.g. latest m0mchil's python miner
17/03/2011 08:56:35, 225269 khash/s
I am...

Repeates about every 30 seconds:
17/03/2011 09:00:55, Wrong data: checkWork: No record for this data, please set lower getwork timeout (5 seconds)


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: Dr. Arnold on March 16, 2011, 10:17:23 PM
Tell me your login name so can check it at my side.
What is hashing speed of your miners ?

BTW, if you see a stale hash instantly after "new block" message, it means that your miner sent it's result just some milliseconds before or after LP notify, so it's normal. But 2% is definitely not normal for Long Polling. Is this number decreasing now or not ?

My login is jakiedentures (at) gmail.com
I get ~300 MH/s on my 6950 and ~70 MH/s on my 4850. The stale share % has not gone down and is sitting at 0.93% and 2.47% respectively



Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 17, 2011, 11:31:03 PM
UPDATES:
  • Shares and stale counters can be reset, all at once or one at a time (total sum is still saved).
  • Now you can delete workers if you don't need them anymore


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: JWU42 on March 18, 2011, 11:49:46 AM
Nearing 12 hours without a block?!?


Title: Re: [~50 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 20, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
Nearing 12 hours without a block?!?
No need to worry, it's already averaged out by a run of easy blocks :)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: sniper_sniperson on March 21, 2011, 01:52:19 PM
Since 2 days my balance is not transfered to the wallet. No contact information at deepbit.net site... ::)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 21, 2011, 02:12:07 PM
Since 2 days my balance is not transfered to the wallet. No contact information at deepbit.net site... ::)
What is your login ? White it here or PM me.
Your balance should be transferred each day if it's over your threshold and you have your address configured.

I found a couple of users with word "sniper" in login. If the one with ~6.95 balance is you, then you just get 0.01 over your threshold today.
Payment is sent.



Currently i'm modifying payment system. Tomorrow there should appear "Pay now" button for that :)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: JWU42 on March 21, 2011, 03:51:21 PM
Nice new feature  ;D


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: sniper_sniperson on March 21, 2011, 03:52:42 PM
Yep, it's ok now (0.00360724 BTC current). Where can I check the current balance of the wallet ?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: os008 on March 21, 2011, 03:59:53 PM
Use the Bitcoin application to check your wallet. It should update it automatically.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 21, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
Hello, CPU miners.

New version of jgarzik's (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1925.msg68934#msg68934) CPU mining software supports long polling now, so you can improve your efficiency by installing it.
Please upgrade.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: BitLex on March 21, 2011, 05:00:03 PM
..so you can improve your efficiency by installing it.
Please upgrade.

sorry to say, but...well, long polling actually isn't as efficient as you want it to be.
no idea what it's like for others, or on other pools, with long polling i get ~0.90% stale shares, without long polling i get ~1.05% stale shares.

that's not really much of an improvement.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 21, 2011, 05:15:22 PM
..so you can improve your efficiency by installing it. Please upgrade.
sorry to say, but...well, long polling actually isn't as efficient as you want it to be.
no idea what it's like for others, or on other pools, with long polling i get ~0.90% stale shares, without long polling i get ~1.05% stale shares.
that's not really much of an improvement.
Overall effect is very noticeable to me, many GPU miners are submitting only 0.2 - 1% of stales.
Don't know yet what is the cause for some others, including you, but it will be especially useful for CPU miners because of their low hashrate.
I'm trying to resolve this issue, but not done yet, sorry.

Two of my fastest users at this moment submit 0.14% and 0.16% of stales, most of the "top5" are in 0.2-0.6% range.
For comparison, users of poclbm-mod are in 3.05%-4.44% (and one with 35%, but he does something really wrong)

EDIT: looks like I see something like a bug in your miner's answer.
BTW, you are using two different miners - "poclbm/201103.beta" and "poclbm/20110311" on same worker account. Can you please create two new workers and place those miners on each one separately, so i can see which one is faulty ?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 21, 2011, 07:07:43 PM
It's dead Jim... From multiple locations, traceroute stops at xe1-01.agg01.sctn01.hostnoc.net (64.191.19.6).


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 21, 2011, 07:11:45 PM
It's dead Jim... From multiple locations, traceroute stops at xe1-01.agg01.sctn01.hostnoc.net (64.191.19.6).
Yes, working on it.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 21, 2011, 08:23:20 PM
Server is back online.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dishwara on March 22, 2011, 04:12:27 AM
I think some bug in auto payment. Set to 0.1, but even after 3-4 hours, still not sending.
username dishwara(at)gmail.com


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: bbulker on March 22, 2011, 05:10:04 AM
I've only had 3 stales out of 1,731 shares and they were caused by me overclocking my video card while mining.

I think some bug in auto payment. Set to 0.1, but even after 3-4 hours, still not sending.
username dishwara(at)gmail.com

Same with me, I have had well beyond my minimum for quite a while now.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: nster on March 22, 2011, 07:06:55 AM
I've only had 3 stales out of 1,731 shares and they were caused by me overclocking my video card while mining.

I think some bug in auto payment. Set to 0.1, but even after 3-4 hours, still not sending.
username dishwara(at)gmail.com

Same with me, I have had well beyond my minimum for quite a while now.

dont you get paid at the end of the day only?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 22, 2011, 05:08:04 PM
I think some bug in auto payment. Set to 0.1, but even after 3-4 hours, still not sending.
username dishwara(at)gmail.com
As i said many times before, autopayment runs daily, so it's normal if you get payment after 24 hours (usually in worst case).
Today i'm planning to deploy "Pay now" button to site for those who want to get their money instantly :)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dishwara on March 22, 2011, 09:26:38 PM
I think some bug in auto payment. Set to 0.1, but even after 3-4 hours, still not sending.
username dishwara(at)gmail.com
As i said many times before, autopayment runs daily, so it's normal if you get payment after 24 hours (usually in worst case).
Today i'm planning to deploy "Pay now" button to site for those who want to get their money instantly :)

oh, it pays daily, don't know that. anyway got paid & pay now button is good idea.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: foxmulder on March 23, 2011, 03:45:51 PM
What does proportional payout method means? does it will pay only when a block being found?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 23, 2011, 03:49:14 PM
What does proportional payout method means? does it will pay only when a block being found?
Yes, your balance is updated once per hour after the block is found in Proportional mode. You get your part of BTC, generated in this block.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 23, 2011, 11:15:15 PM
As we can see, someone keeps flooding transaction queue with hundreds of small payments, possibly to force everyone into setting a mandatory transaction fee.
Already more than 1/4 of network is not accepting free transactions, which I don't like because at this time free transactions are a great bitcoin advantage when comparing to another online payment systems.

Regarding this i want to say that my pool will continue to accept free transactions in my blocks. (I alrealy tried to delay this problem by including most of those flood txes when they were generated, but it's not feasible anymore to accept them all)
Also, i'm including all my payment transactions, so pool members will continue to receive their rewards without transaction fees.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: SteveB on March 24, 2011, 12:28:22 AM
Regarding this i want to say that my pool will continue to accept free transactions in my blocks.

I'm glad to hear that. Slush's decision to stop including free transactions was the main reason why I switched from his pool to yours. I hope the spam problem can be resolved. In my opinion, if  paying a fee will become necessary, bitcoin will die. What is the most hated thing about traditional banking? IT'S THE FEES!


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: MDKing on March 24, 2011, 12:42:47 AM
Hello:

Just have a question regarding rewards. I currently have about 750Mhash/sec in raw speed which fluctuates between 825Mhashes/sec to 650Mhashes/sec average speed on the account pages. As I understand this is figured is based upon the successful submissions of shares. Based on this average speed my pool % is determined, typically around 1.25%. So far I've participated in the finding of one block, a reward of ~0.24 BTC, I would have expected that 1.25% of the pool would be around 0.625 BTC. Or is it that although I am providing 1.25% of the pool speed, I may not be providing 1.25% of the pool shares?





Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jgarzik on March 24, 2011, 12:43:21 AM
I'm glad to hear that. Slush's decision to stop including free transactions was the main reason why I switched from his pool to yours. I hope the spam problem can be resolved. In my opinion, if  paying a fee will become necessary, bitcoin will die. What is the most hated thing about traditional banking? IT'S THE FEES!

Paying a fee was always likely necessary in the long run.  You might like sending free transactions, but that also means spammers can spam unlimited numbers of transactions, unless there are some counter-incentives in place.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jgarzik on March 24, 2011, 12:44:52 AM
As we can see, someone keeps flooding transaction queue with hundreds of small payments, possibly to force everyone into setting a mandatory transaction fee.
Already more than 1/4 of network is not accepting free transactions, which I don't like because at this time free transactions are a great bitcoin advantage when comparing to another online payment systems.

Use -limitfreerelay in current git.  That will reduce spam, while still allowing free transactions.  Non-spammy transactions with larger amounts and older coins will still have higher "free" priority over spam transactions, while continuing to avoid fees.



Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 24, 2011, 12:59:17 AM
Just have a question regarding rewards. I currently have about 750Mhash/sec in raw speed which fluctuates between 825Mhashes/sec to 650Mhashes/sec average speed on the account pages. As I understand this is figured is based upon the successful submissions of shares. Based on this average speed my pool % is determined, typically around 1.25%. So far I've participated in the finding of one block, a reward of ~0.24 BTC, I would have expected that 1.25% of the pool would be around 0.625 BTC. Or is it that although I am providing 1.25% of the pool speed, I may not be providing 1.25% of the pool shares?
The percentage of pool's speed displayed on account page is based on the "luck meter" (the MH/s speed display), which is based on counting your submitted shares per some minutes. It's not very steady value, so real payment is based on exact number of your shares per solved block.
On average those percentages are similar, but "luck meter" is provided as coarse reference only (you may be more lucky in one minute and less lucky in another one), so check stats page for real value after the block will be added there.

Other differnece between hashing speed percentage and shares percentage:
If you join the pool exactly in the middle of a round and get, for example, 10% of pool's speed and this value may be correct. But since you were participating only half the time, your reward share will be only 5% (4.85%, to be precise). So in this case yes, providing 1.25% of pool's speed doesn't equals to providing 1.25% of shares.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: SteveB on March 24, 2011, 01:08:04 AM
Paying a fee was always likely necessary in the long run.  You might like sending free transactions, but that also means spammers can spam unlimited numbers of transactions, unless there are some counter-incentives in place.

If that's the case than I'm afraid that bitcoin will fail. I can't be the only one that absolutely despises fees.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 24, 2011, 01:11:16 AM
Paying a fee was always likely necessary in the long run.  You might like sending free transactions, but that also means spammers can spam unlimited numbers of transactions, unless there are some counter-incentives in place.
If that's the case than I'm afraid that bitcoin will fail. I can't be the only one that absolutely despises fees.
There always will be someone to accept free txes.
We just have to find a way to fight off the bad guys who are flooding to make fees mandatory :)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jgarzik on March 24, 2011, 01:13:08 AM
Paying a fee was always likely necessary in the long run.  You might like sending free transactions, but that also means spammers can spam unlimited numbers of transactions, unless there are some counter-incentives in place.

If that's the case than I'm afraid that bitcoin will fail. I can't be the only one that absolutely despises fees.

There is no doubt that everybody likes a free lunch.



Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: MDKing on March 24, 2011, 01:13:36 AM
Just have a question regarding rewards. I currently have about 750Mhash/sec in raw speed which fluctuates between 825Mhashes/sec to 650Mhashes/sec average speed on the account pages. As I understand this is figured is based upon the successful submissions of shares. Based on this average speed my pool % is determined, typically around 1.25%. So far I've participated in the finding of one block, a reward of ~0.24 BTC, I would have expected that 1.25% of the pool would be around 0.625 BTC. Or is it that although I am providing 1.25% of the pool speed, I may not be providing 1.25% of the pool shares?
The percentage of pool's speed displayed on account page is based on the "luck meter" (the MH/s speed display), which is based on counting your submitted shares per some minutes. It's not very steady value, so real payment is based on exact number of your shares per solved block.
On average those percentages are similar, but "luck meter" is provided as coarse reference only (you may be more lucky in one minute and less lucky in another one), so check stats page for real value after the block will be added there.

Other differnece between hashing speed percentage and shares percentage:
If you join the pool exactly in the middle of a round and get, for example, 10% of pool's speed and this value may be correct. But since you were participating only half the time, your reward share will be only 5% (4.85%, to be precise). So in this case yes, providing 1.25% of pool's speed doesn't equals to providing 1.25% of shares.

Great explanation and if I follow correctly, over say a 24 hour period, the blocks that I fully participate in my reward share % should converge towards my pool speed % ( which again is based on the (un)lucky MH/s meter ).


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 24, 2011, 01:26:16 AM
Great explanation and if I follow correctly, over say a 24 hour period, the blocks that I fully participate in my reward share % should converge towards my pool speed % ( which again is based on the (un)lucky MH/s meter ).
Yes.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: SteveB on March 24, 2011, 01:46:05 AM
There is no doubt that everybody likes a free lunch.
May I also have a free dessert after the free lunch?  ;D

There always will be someone to accept free txes.
We just have to find a way to fight off the bad guys who are flooding to make fees mandatory :)
Let's hope a solution can be found before it is too late.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 24, 2011, 01:49:36 AM
There always will be someone to accept free txes.
We just have to find a way to fight off the bad guys who are flooding to make fees mandatory :)
Let's hope a solution can be found before it is too late.
I'm glad that this problem appeared before bitcoin become widely recognized, so we have time to work on it.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 24, 2011, 03:06:47 AM

I don't see why we cannot just make default fees miniscule as to be insignificant, i.e. 1millibitcent (0.00001 BTC) or similar, but more than zero to discourage spamming TXs.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jkminkov on March 24, 2011, 06:59:47 AM
if I run bitcoin server, does that helps free transactions ???


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 24, 2011, 09:15:08 AM

[Tycho],

just for informational purposes and in the interests of transparency, do you have a personal rig connected to your pool?

Or any rig, connected to other pools, or solo mining?



Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 24, 2011, 02:29:11 PM
if I run bitcoin server, does that helps free transactions ???
Not really if you aren't mining at many GH/s. Including free transactions in block helps, but you need to create new blocks in order to do this, like my pool is doing.

[Tycho],just for informational purposes and in the interests of transparency, do you have a personal rig connected to your pool?
Or any rig, connected to other pools, or solo mining?
Yes, i'm mining at about ~900 MH/s.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: jgarzik on March 24, 2011, 04:45:02 PM
FYI, the longpoll specification should say POST, not GET.

It is incorrect for GET to be receiving data in the body of the HTTP request (the JSON-RPC payload).  This confuses HTTP libraries.



Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 03:44:56 AM
FYI, the longpoll specification should say POST, not GET.
It is incorrect for GET to be receiving data in the body of the HTTP request (the JSON-RPC payload).  This confuses HTTP libraries.
As i already answered in IRC, everything is correct, since there is no body in this request.

We may create a different thread for discussing long polling because it's dev thing.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dooman on March 25, 2011, 11:02:06 AM
Currently I'm not able to login to deepbit site with my account  ???


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: nster on March 25, 2011, 11:02:57 AM
Currently I'm not able to login to deepbit site with my account  ???

I'm logged in fine


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dooman on March 25, 2011, 11:38:08 AM
Currently I'm not able to login to deepbit site with my account  ???

I'm logged in fine

It says wrong password. I have tried every pass I usually use but it didn't worked.

Is there a way to reset my password?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 01:48:34 PM
Currently I'm not able to login to deepbit site with my account  ???
I'm logged in fine
It says wrong password. I have tried every pass I usually use but it didn't worked.
Is there a way to reset my password?
I was modifying login function this morning, this may be a reason for someone to temporary see login problems.
Are you still unable to login at this moment ? PM me your login name and i'll fix it.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dacoinminster on March 25, 2011, 02:54:52 PM
I checked out this pool this morning, because I am interested in diversifying so I don't have all my eggs in one basket.

Only one thing stops me from moving some of my workers over here. My setup makes the unchangeable numeric naming of workers really inconvenient. I'll have to remember which number is which worker, and each worker migrated here would have to use a number rather than its already-assigned name. I thought about just creating a bajillion workers on your site and then just having each worker run a checksum on its name to determine its number on your server, but that only solves half the problem and might annoy you guys.

If you allow me to customize alphanumeric worker names, then I'll migrate some workers here right away.

Other than that, the pool looks awesome.

Thanks!


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: wootwoot on March 25, 2011, 03:15:16 PM
I am having a strange issue with yesterdays payout. It says 0/unconfirmed and at the bottom of the bitcoin client it reads "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 03:21:48 PM
I am having a strange issue with yesterdays payout. It says 0/unconfirmed and at the bottom of the bitcoin client it reads "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
What is the version of your client ? PM me your login name.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
Only one thing stops me from moving some of my workers over here. My setup makes the unchangeable numeric naming of workers really inconvenient. I'll have to remember which number is which worker, and each worker migrated here would have to use a number rather than its already-assigned name. I thought about just creating a bajillion workers on your site and then just having each worker run a checksum on its name to determine its number on your server, but that only solves half the problem and might annoy you guys.

If you allow me to customize alphanumeric worker names, then I'll migrate some workers here right away.
I don't understand what you wanted to do with checksums. My "flood protection" wouldn't allow creating a lot of workers in a short timespan.
Will it be enough for you if i'll allow customizing the name part after "_" character ?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dacoinminster on March 25, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
Will it be enough for you if i'll allow customizing the name part after "_" character ?
That is exactly what I want! That way I can set up:

me_5770
me_5870-FriendBob
me_5870-I7PC
me_5870-oldPC
me_5970-GPU0
me_5970-GPU1

etc

Please let me know as soon as I can do something like that!

Thanks.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: hacim on March 25, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
I'm having a new problem that just started:

backend (http://127.0.0.1:5847/) connect error:
Connection to http://127.0.0.1:5847 refused

I have my bitcoind running locally, and the username/password are set properly, and I haven't changed anything. It just started.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: LordZer on March 25, 2011, 09:19:44 PM
Keep getting this randomly...
 


[2011-02-25 17:17:35] JSON-RPC call failed: {
   "code": -1,
   "message": "backend (http://127.0.0.1:5847/) connect error:Connection to http
://127.0.0.1:5847 refused"
}
[2011-02-25 17:17:35] json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 09:21:57 PM
Doing some restarts now, sorry for short interrupts.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: LordZer on March 25, 2011, 09:51:50 PM
I hate to rehas an old question, but which payment method is better for GPU generation and which is better for CPU?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 09:55:26 PM
I hate to rehas an old question, but which payment method is better for GPU generation and which is better for CPU?
There is no difference between GPU and CPU regarding payment. If you are mining 24/7, then proportional, if only sometimes - then PPS.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: LordZer on March 25, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
Thank you and thank you very much for your help :)
also looking for the easiest way to put a cpu miner on an ubuntu headless box...


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 09:59:01 PM
Thank you and thank you very much for your help :)
also looking for the easiest way to put a cpu miner on an ubuntu headless box...
Do you know that CPU mining isn't really profitable at this moment ?


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: LordZer on March 25, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
might be when there are 64 cores on the machine, and i dont pay the bills for electricity ;)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: nster on March 25, 2011, 10:14:01 PM
I use PPS for my CPU, else I use proportional...


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: demonofelru on March 25, 2011, 10:29:18 PM
I'm having trouble receiving my payment it's been in 0/unconfirmed for a while now.

Edit: Seems it's a problem with the transaction spammer nvm.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 10:56:10 PM
I'm having trouble receiving my payment it's been in 0/unconfirmed for a while now.
It should be included in the next block found by my pool.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: cdhowie on March 25, 2011, 11:04:21 PM
I'm having trouble receiving my payment it's been in 0/unconfirmed for a while now.
It should be included in the next block found by my pool.
I wonder if it would be a good idea for pool payout transactions to receive high priority within that pool.  For example, if you just issued 50 payouts, those 50 transactions should always be part of the next block your own pool generates.  Inter-pool this doesn't make sense, but intra-pool -- you know they're not spam, don't treat them as though they might be.  :)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 25, 2011, 11:23:57 PM
I'm having trouble receiving my payment it's been in 0/unconfirmed for a while now.
It should be included in the next block found by my pool.
I wonder if it would be a good idea for pool payout transactions to receive high priority within that pool.  For example, if you just issued 50 payouts, those 50 transactions should always be part of the next block your own pool generates.  Inter-pool this doesn't make sense, but intra-pool -- you know they're not spam, don't treat them as though they might be.  :)
My pool is already including ALL of my transactions :)


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dishwara on March 26, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/

There are 1492 unconfirmed transactions.

Every one can check in this site whether you have been sent coins or []Tycho] cheating you.

Go to the above address & you will see a lot of Date, time,...some numbers....input, output.....
& you can see your unconfirmed bitcoin also.

"Hey are you crazy, how can i see my transactions in this zillions of numbers"-- I can hear that.

Simple, just hit ctrl+f in windows or anything in Linux to search on current webpage, & in the search field, enter the bitcoin address/addresses you put in your profile in the deepbit.net, or you can use the address in the address book of your bitcoin client. I gave a label "deep" to the address i gave to deepbit.net, so i don't have to worry from whom i got bitcoins.... & hit enter.

You will be dddddddddddddddirectly taken to your address in the zillions of numbers & address & your address will be in orange.
You can see above your address, it is unconfirmed & also date, time, amount.........many things.

Holy banana.

you find it useful, see my address in signature in red & donate.
Thanks.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: [Tycho] on March 26, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
There are 1492 unconfirmed transactions.

I know you find it useful, & i am expecting donation from you.
You can see my address in my signature in red.
This is not a problem for my users since i'm including my payout transactions in my pool's blocks, so they are delivered fast enough. In worst case you should just wait for my pool to mint a block.


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: SteveB on March 26, 2011, 07:01:38 PM
Holy banana.

I know you find it useful, & i am expecting donation from you.
Even after finding it helpful & refuse to donate me make you fart 100 times/ day. Its a curse, i secretly put with this message.
You can see my address in my signature in red.

 :D :D :D :D :D
For making me laugh, I have sent you a small donation.
What a unique way to ask for donations!


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: BitLex on March 26, 2011, 08:24:08 PM
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
...
I know you find it useful, & i am expecting donation from you.
and what exactly do you have todo with bitcoincharts, or that list?
i expect you to donate to tcatm, or was that your plan anyway, to send all donations to him?

i might fart a few times today though


Title: Re: [~60 Gh/s Mining Pool] Get 1-2% more with long polling ! No failed blocks.
Post by: dishwara on March 26, 2011, 10:50:09 PM
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
...
I know you find it useful, & i am expecting donation from you.
and what exactly do you have todo with bitcoincharts, or that list?
i expect you to donate to tcatm, or was that your plan anyway, to send all donations to him?

i might fart a few times today though

Many are complaining, fighting, getting anger that even after 10-12 hours, in bitcoin client it showed, 0/unconfirmed.
For those i gave the link that, hey guys don't worry, u don't loose ur bitcoin. It is there but taking some time to reach you, & you want to see whether ppol miner send it or not, look at the address.

@bitlex, btw i confess to gavin 2 days before & i am free now.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] +1-2% more with long polling! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 28, 2011, 03:06:02 AM
UPDATE:

Instant payout button added to web interface.
http://deepbit.net/payments
Currently two payouts per day are allowed (automatic or manual), this is a temporary limit.
Button is shown when your balance is at least 0.01 BTC and you received less than two payments in last 24 hours.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eideteker on March 28, 2011, 04:34:58 AM
FYI, I noticed two failed blocks yesterday on my GPU miners.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 28, 2011, 04:53:40 AM
FYI, I noticed two failed blocks yesterday on my GPU miners.
I think that you are talking about stale shares, not failed blocks. Those are completely different things :)
A couple of stale shares won't affect your reward, and failed blocks are paid by my pool anyway as confirmed ones.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eideteker on March 28, 2011, 05:38:14 AM
I believe you are correct, the confusion was all on my part...I'm a rookie.  :P


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on March 28, 2011, 07:33:38 AM
I believe you are correct, the confusion was all on my part...I'm a rookie.  :P

No worries, everyone was there at some point


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on March 28, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Tycho is thier anything you can do to increse the frequency of Auto payouts without stressing your wallet?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 28, 2011, 05:16:24 PM
Tycho is thier anything you can do to increse the frequency of Auto payouts without stressing your wallet?
There is no stressing. Technically i can pay even every minute, but i don't want to flood the network with small transactions.
People rarely need their bitcents that frequently, but after testing i'll allow more instant payouts per day, may be 10 or something like that.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: os008 on March 28, 2011, 08:11:48 PM
after testing i'll allow more instant payouts per day, may be 10 or something like that.
I read somewhere that it's possible for the pool to process its own payments in the blocks it generates (I might have misunderstood it). If that's true, wouldn't that enable you to allow unlimited number of payouts?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 28, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
after testing i'll allow more instant payouts per day, may be 10 or something like that.
I read somewhere that it's possible for the pool to process its own payments in the blocks it generates (I might have misunderstood it). If that's true, wouldn't that enable you to allow unlimited number of payouts?
I'm already including my payouts in my blocks (as i said many times in this thread :)
But it makes blockchain size bigger anyway. And your payouts list becomes less useful.

Yes, after some testing I will increase number of allowed manual instant payouts, but why someone would want to get automatic payments that frequently ?
It's more useful to get one 1-50 BTC payment per day instead of some bitcents each hour. And if you need your money now - just press the "Instant payment" button.

Of course i'm open to suggestions if you tell me what do you need and why it's better.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on March 28, 2011, 08:48:02 PM
after testing i'll allow more instant payouts per day, may be 10 or something like that.
I read somewhere that it's possible for the pool to process its own payments in the blocks it generates (I might have misunderstood it). If that's true, wouldn't that enable you to allow unlimited number of payouts?
I'm already including my payouts in my blocks (as i said many times in this thread :)
But it makes blockchain size bigger anyway. And your payouts list becomes less useful.

Yes, after some testing I will increase number of allowed manual instant payouts, but why someone would want to get automatic payments that frequently ?
It's more useful to get one 1-50 BTC payment per day instead of some bitcents each hour. And if you need your money now - just press the "Instant payment" button.

Of course i'm open to suggestions if you tell me what do you need and why it's better.

TBH I like how you are setting this up. I'm more and more inclined to come back to deepbit as it is so much more user friendly, consistent, and filled with awesome features. You seriously have the best pool out there, good job.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 28, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
Hmm, wonder how [Tycho]'s forum account got screwed...


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 28, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
Hmm, wonder how [Tycho]'s forum account got screwed...
Yes, something strange happened. Looking into this...

EDIT: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5079.0


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 29, 2011, 03:41:16 AM
I would like to hear your suggestions about adding new features to deepbit.net

Is there something you want to see in my pool ?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Miner-TE on March 29, 2011, 03:52:48 AM
I'd like to see graphs to get a better idea of the pools condition and progress.

Edit:  Additionally,  I'd love to see the hour delay removed from the stats but I understand it's to prevent "abuse"

Edit2:  How about a personalized dashboard page.  One that shows my worker stats, totals,  few previous solved blocks and maybe some bitcoin stats for good measure.  I find myself checking the stats page and my account page too often as well as monitoring the network.  If all this was available in a single page,  I'd work this pool 100%.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 29, 2011, 04:17:20 AM
Yes, I would like to see how many shares each user has contributed and how many actual blocks they have solved ... (do not need to know who the users are they can remain anonymous). Just to get an idea of distribution of proof of work difficulty 1 versus network difficulty randomness.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 29, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
I would like to hear your suggestions about adding new features to deepbit.net

Is there something you want to see in my pool ?


The idea of having multiple addresses I talked about earlier (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3889.msg59354#msg59354) and randomization of the minimum value for automatic payment would help with anonymity.

Or, if you'd rather the client handle it, perhaps a lightweight RPC/SOAP API for changing address/minimum value?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 29, 2011, 04:26:09 AM
Yes, I would like to see how many shares each user has contributed and how many actual blocks they have solved ... (do not need to know who the users are they can remain anonymous). Just to get an idea of distribution of proof of work difficulty 1 versus network difficulty randomness.
Can you explain further what do you mean ?
You want a list of all users, their submitted shares and found blocks ? But it would be the same as existing statistics page.

The idea of having multiple addresses I talked about earlier (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3889.msg59354#msg59354) and randomization of the minimum value for automatic payment would help with anonymity.
Or, if you'd rather the client handle it, perhaps a lightweight RPC/SOAP API for changing address/minimum value?
Technically it's possible, but how this can improve anonymity ? Your address is anonymous already and you can split/merge received coins by yourself with same results.


Does anyone finds "Your part in the pool's current speed" meter useful ? Can i remove it from account page ?
I'd like to free up some space for additional features.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 29, 2011, 05:28:54 AM
Quote
Can you explain further what do you mean ?
You want a list of all users, their submitted shares and found blocks ? But it would be the same as existing statistics page.

No, the statistics page only has the total shares that the pool found for each block. I would like running totals since forever.

If we had table with breakdown as follows;

User  |   Total Shares  Submitted  |  Total Blocks Found
----------------------------------------------------------------------
user1                1048576                                20
user2                    32768                                15
.
.
.

userN                  2                                          0

You could put a fourth column with ratio of total_shares_submitted:total_blocks_found if you like but that would be gravy.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on March 29, 2011, 05:31:26 AM
Yes, I would like to see how many shares each user has contributed and how many actual blocks they have solved ... (do not need to know who the users are they can remain anonymous). Just to get an idea of distribution of proof of work difficulty 1 versus network difficulty randomness.
Can you explain further what do you mean ?
You want a list of all users, their submitted shares and found blocks ? But it would be the same as existing statistics page.

The idea of having multiple addresses I talked about earlier (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3889.msg59354#msg59354) and randomization of the minimum value for automatic payment would help with anonymity.
Or, if you'd rather the client handle it, perhaps a lightweight RPC/SOAP API for changing address/minimum value?
Technically it's possible, but how this can improve anonymity ? Your address is anonymous already and you can split/merge received coins by yourself with same results.


Does anyone finds "Your part in the pool's current speed" meter useful ? Can i remove it from account page ?
I'd like to free up some space for additional features.

The % of pools current speed could be removed, noone will really miss it


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on March 29, 2011, 05:39:57 AM
Hi, I'm a new bitcoin user and joining your pool with my (not so) hefty ~890 kh/s (peak). I have a question/suggestion for you: would it not make more sense for the payments on the Payments page to be in reverse chronological sequence, with the most recent at the top and oldest at the bottom? It would to me, if not for ease of readability, then to match the sort order of the official bitcoin client. As for the "Your part in the pool's current speed" measure, I've only ever seen it read 0%, diverging occasionally/briefly to some impossibly high value. Same for "average speed in last 7 minutes" actually. To me, those could both be removed because they seem useless and uninformative.

Thanks! :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TurdHurdur on March 29, 2011, 05:48:19 AM
I like more info rather than less, perhaps a +/- button to expand/collapse the "Your part in the pool's current speed" info?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 29, 2011, 05:56:16 AM
Hi, I'm a new bitcoin user and joining your pool with my (not so) hefty ~890 kh/s (peak). I have question/suggestion for you: would it not make more sense for the payments on the Payments page to be in reverse chronological sequence, with the most recent at the top and oldest at the bottom?
Granted.

It would to me. As for the "Your part in the pool's current speed" measure, I've only ever seen it read 0%, diverging occasionally/briefly to some impossibly high value. Same for "average speed in last 7 minutes" actually. To me, those could both be removed because they seem useless and uninformative.
"average speed in last 7 minutes" or luck meter works for fast miners. I'll add time window adjustment for it to work with CPU miners too.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on March 29, 2011, 06:02:32 AM
Hi, I'm a new bitcoin user and joining your pool with my (not so) hefty ~890 kh/s (peak). I have question/suggestion for you: would it not make more sense for the payments on the Payments page to be in reverse chronological sequence, with the most recent at the top and oldest at the bottom?
Yes, it may be better that way.

It would to me. As for the "Your part in the pool's current speed" measure, I've only ever seen it read 0%, diverging occasionally/briefly to some impossibly high value. Same for "average speed in last 7 minutes" actually. To me, those could both be removed because they seem useless and uninformative.
"average speed in last 7 minutes" or luck meter works for fast miners. I'll add time window adjustment for it to work with CPU miners too.

That sounds great. :) Feel free to donate btw. ;) System upgrades aren't cheap. :S

Oh wow that was quick! The sequence in the payments window is already changed. :D I think I'm going to like this pool. ;D


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on March 29, 2011, 08:35:05 AM
add stats page with earned btc per day(noting client timezone) something like @ payment log

add option to input user Mhash/s next to Average speed in last 7 minutes and under user speed recalculate Your part in the pool's current speed based on user value

81.14 MH/s 95 MH/s
Average speed in last 7 minutes

0.11 % 0.13%
Your part in the pool's current speed

add more columns for shares

Shares /Shares per day/Shares per hour/(stale)
   3240 (0.67%)
   0 (0.00%)   
   0 (0.00%)   


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Nick13ro on March 29, 2011, 03:48:32 PM
Hey. I'm new here. It says "Balance is updated once per hour" but I've been at it for several hours and no update. What gives ?

EDIT: It seems a block wasn't found in quite a bit. I assume that must be the reason. :|


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: LordZer on March 30, 2011, 03:02:24 AM
Hi, I'm a new bitcoin user and joining your pool with my (not so) hefty ~890 kh/s (peak). I have question/suggestion for you: would it not make more sense for the payments on the Payments page to be in reverse chronological sequence, with the most recent at the top and oldest at the bottom?
Yes, it may be better that way.

It would to me. As for the "Your part in the pool's current speed" measure, I've only ever seen it read 0%, diverging occasionally/briefly to some impossibly high value. Same for "average speed in last 7 minutes" actually. To me, those could both be removed because they seem useless and uninformative.
"average speed in last 7 minutes" or luck meter works for fast miners. I'll add time window adjustment for it to work with CPU miners too.

That sounds great. :) Feel free to donate btw. ;) System upgrades aren't cheap. :S

Oh wow that was quick! The sequence in the payments window is already changed. :D I think I'm going to like this pool. ;D

BTW if you are CPU mining, try playing with the different algorithm settings. I found with the quad core i can get 1.2mh/s/core with cryptopp_asm32 and only 880kh/s/core with 4 way or c.....


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: xenon481 on March 30, 2011, 05:06:31 AM
BTW if you are CPU mining, try playing with the different algorithm settings. I found with the quad core i can get 1.2mh/s/core with cryptopp_asm32 and only 880kh/s/core with 4 way or c.....

Ufasoft's SSE2 CPU Miner gets me about 2.5MHash/s per core on a 2.2ghz Core2 Duo. ~5MHash/sec total.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on March 30, 2011, 06:20:04 AM
Ufasoft's SSE2 CPU Miner gets me about 2.5MHash/s per core on a 2.2ghz Core2 Duo. ~5MHash/sec total.

Same with cpuminer's "sse2_64" algorithm.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on March 30, 2011, 11:09:35 AM
Ufasoft's SSE2 CPU Miner gets me about 2.5MHash/s per core on a 2.2ghz Core2 Duo. ~5MHash/sec total.

Same with cpuminer's "sse2_64" algorithm.

well I can only run it with those algorithms(showing on help screen)

c, 4way, cryptopp, cryptopp_asm32

and it's not fast enough

win xp 32bit, intel E7200* and Q6600

* - 1,4Mhash/s


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on March 30, 2011, 04:13:50 PM
I'm using puddinpop's cpu miner (only one CPU at home, 2 at work). How do I change algorithms? Which CPU miner would you say is best?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on March 30, 2011, 05:08:48 PM

cpuminer's sse2_64 should be the fastest, but it only works on 64-bit Linux (sse2_64 is a port of ufasoft's code).

ufasoft's miner works on Windows.

puddinpop's stuff can do CPU mining, but is slower than cpuminer or ufasoft.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on March 30, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
Tycho, why you waste money on google adwords, give'em to me :D


cpuminer's sse2_64 should be the fastest, but it only works on 64-bit Linux (sse2_64 is a port of ufasoft's code).

ufasoft's miner works on Windows.

puddinpop's stuff can do CPU mining, but is slower than cpuminer or ufasoft.

how about borrowing the code ;D I wanted long pool cpu miner before summer comes ;D




Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on March 30, 2011, 05:58:36 PM
I wanted long pool cpu miner before summer comes ;D

cpuminer already supports long polling.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on March 30, 2011, 06:06:29 PM
yes, but it's 1,4Mhash/s w/ LP vs. 3,8Mhash/s w/o LP on one core E7200@3,16Mhz


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on March 30, 2011, 06:40:24 PM
yes, but it's 1,4Mhash/s w/ LP vs. 3,8Mhash/s w/o LP on one core E7200@3,16Mhz

I think you've got a configuration problem, because nobody else is reporting such bizarre behavior :)  Maybe you could head over to the cpuminer thread (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1925.0) and provide technical details sufficient for a bug report?



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 30, 2011, 10:02:21 PM
Quote
Can you explain further what do you mean ?
You want a list of all users, their submitted shares and found blocks ? But it would be the same as existing statistics page.

No, the statistics page only has the total shares that the pool found for each block. I would like running totals since forever.

If we had table with breakdown as follows;

User  |   Total Shares  Submitted  |  Total Blocks Found
----------------------------------------------------------------------
user1                1048576                                20
user2                    32768                                15
.
.
.

userN                  2                                          0

You could put a fourth column with ratio of total_shares_submitted:total_blocks_found if you like but that would be gravy.

Any thoughts on this [TYCHO], yes, no maybe?

More transparency and information is always good for building confidence, right?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 30, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
No, the statistics page only has the total shares that the pool found for each block. I would like running totals since forever.
If we had table with breakdown as follows;

User  |   Total Shares  Submitted  |  Total Blocks Found
----------------------------------------------------------------------
user1                1048576                                20
user2                    32768                                15

You could put a fourth column with ratio of total_shares_submitted:total_blocks_found if you like but that would be gravy.
Any thoughts on this [TYCHO], yes, no maybe?
More transparency and information is always good for building confidence, right?
Actually at this moment i'm not keeping information about who solved the block because it doesn't matters for anything except curiosity.
And i have more than a 1000 of users, this would be a really long list. You want this to check if it's better to mine in pool or solo ?

I'm planning to add info about average number of shares per block in the last 24 hours, which should be almost the same and useful for checking statistics.
What's the point of breaking it into separate users if you don't know who is who anyway ?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on March 30, 2011, 10:33:45 PM
No, the statistics page only has the total shares that the pool found for each block. I would like running totals since forever.
If we had table with breakdown as follows;

User  |   Total Shares  Submitted  |  Total Blocks Found
----------------------------------------------------------------------
user1                1048576                                20
user2                    32768                                15

You could put a fourth column with ratio of total_shares_submitted:total_blocks_found if you like but that would be gravy.
Any thoughts on this [TYCHO], yes, no maybe?
More transparency and information is always good for building confidence, right?
Actually at this moment i'm not keeping information about who solved the block because it doesn't matters for anything except curiosity.
And i have more than a 1000 of users, this would be a really long list. You want this to check if it's better to mine in pool or solo ?

I'm planning to add info about average number of shares per block in the last 24 hours, which should be almost the same and useful for checking statistics.
What's the point of breaking it into separate users if you don't know who is who anyway ?

It is the only way you will truly know if everyone is mining honestly.

EDIT: there is an element of curiosity to know distribution of luck also ...


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 30, 2011, 10:36:45 PM
It is the only way you will truly know if everyone is mining honestly.
I have other ways to check this; I'm prepared since i expected someone to implement Raulo's attack :)
And if they will do it with sufficient speed, i'll notice it.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on March 31, 2011, 12:53:14 AM
cpuminer's sse2_64 should be the fastest, but it only works on 64-bit Linux (sse2_64 is a port of ufasoft's code).

ufasoft's miner works on Windows.

puddinpop's stuff can do CPU mining, but is slower than cpuminer or ufasoft.
Thanks for the reply! I've tried ufasoft's and it is indeed faster.. I'm running an AMD64 3200+ with Windows XP SP3 32-bit (1 CPU) and 2GBs RAM. With only the miner running I seem to peak at 933 kh/s whereas with puddinpop's I peak at 888 kh/s. Is this really the best I can get or can I get better?
The command line I used is:
Quote
bitcoin-miner.exe -a 5 -v -g no -t 1 -o "http://deepbit.net:8332/" -u X@X.X -p XXXX
Thanks. :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: urizane on March 31, 2011, 02:31:57 AM
As far as CPU mining goes, you're not going to get much out of it.  You should consider a GPU.  Well, if you insist on CPU mining and this is your own personal machine, you have one possible option.  If you've got Socket 939, you might be able to find a Socket 939 Althlon X2 somewhere.  If it'll cost you more than $120 though, don't bother.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Ian on March 31, 2011, 04:15:26 AM
One thing that I'd find useful is extending the worker's table under "My Account" to display hash/s for the past 30m/24h/all time.  Since I've got this all running on a separate box I find it's much easier to visit your site to check on my miners than to get to the miners directly, and if I'm not at home it's the only way that I can check on them.  Turning the worker red when it hasn't received a share in 30m is useful, but only detects complete failures, it doesn't detect misconfiguration (e.g. I forgot to overclock a card or accidentally ran two miners on a single GPU).  To keep things clean you could probably remove the password and reward columns since they only change when the user changes them.

Great job with the site/pool so far though, definitely worth the 3% it for all of the benefits it brings.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on March 31, 2011, 04:22:25 AM
As has been stated numerous times, CPU mining really is not profitable at this point in Bitcoin. You will most likely spend more on electricity than you will make mining.

A suggestion for anyone with an office computer with an available pci-e slot:

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=sapphire+5670&hl=en&biw=1016&bih=935&prmd=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=1275012490375071464&sa=X&ei=vfuTTYiuHo6ksQOPmtjDBQ&ved=0CGcQ8wIwBQ#

The 5670 will get you about 75MH/s or so and does not need external power, meaning you can probably use the generic power supply that comes with just about any computer. Depending on shipping, it costs about $80 USD which is a much more sound investment, in my opinion, than finding a better CPU for an older motherboard.

At Pay per share of 0.0006/share, given that 1MH/s equates to about 1 share an hour, that's about 75 shares an hour (1800 shares/day), which is 1.08 BTC/day. You can recoup your costs in a little over two months if nothing changes.

If I'm not mistaken, the difficulty has gone down a bit recently, from 75k to 60-something (sorry I'm only back mining these last few days.) I think when I started it was 55k, and people were saying how insane the jump had been in the preceding two weeks. I think once the whole Slashdot effect wares off (if it hasn't already) the difficulty should at least be more stable than the jump that occurred during that influx.

Anyway, the suggestion is just my opinion. I know there are numerous projects for CPU mining, I just don't think anyone with less than a multi-socket setup will see any tangible return, and if anything, they will see a large power bill, which will only increase once summer gets here, when running the A/C doubles the price paid per kW/h of any heat-generating appliance.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 31, 2011, 04:29:44 AM
One thing that I'd find useful is extending the worker's table under "My Account" to display hash/s for the past 30m/24h/all time.  Since I've got this all running on a separate box I find it's much easier to visit your site to check on my miners than to get to the miners directly, and if I'm not at home it's the only way that I can check on them.  Turning the worker red when it hasn't received a share in 30m is useful, but only detects complete failures, it doesn't detect misconfiguration (e.g. I forgot to overclock a card or accidentally ran two miners on a single GPU).  To keep things clean you could probably remove the password and reward columns since they only change when the user changes them.
Yes, that would be useful. But you must remember that luck meter can't be really accurate on time intervals shorter than some hours.
I'm thinking about removing the right gray column (which was intended to contain nice drawing) to make more room for tables.
30 min. interval for turning red will be definitely user-configurable (i'm currently adding a new "settings" page), and i may add option to mark it with some other ill color when it's speed falls below defined threshold.

Great job with the site/pool so far though, definitely worth the 3% it for all of the benefits it brings.
Thanks :) I'm trying to do my best.
Actually 3% fee is almost lower than some other pools ask.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on March 31, 2011, 05:04:58 AM
My current motherboard supports AGP only, so if I want to run with GPU I have no choice but to gut my system to replace my old graphics card, motherboard, processor and ram (ie, major pain in the ass). I had already started looking into it, I'm rather sick of all my games crashing every 5 minutes due to a motherboard bug. I doubt I'll see much of a difference in my power bill, I used to run Folding@Home 24/7 anyway.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Ian on March 31, 2011, 05:37:10 AM
Yes, that would be useful. But you must remember that luck meter can't be really accurate on time intervals shorter than some hours.

Absolutely, it'd be a tough balance between keeping the time window long enough to give the desired accuracy while keeping it short enough to be useful.  I'm sure someone with a statistics background could figure out the needed time to get a small enough margin of error.

As far as turning the worker red, you could probably base that time interval off of historical data, e.g. if I've been working at X Mh/s over the past 24 hours then you should be able to figure out that 99% of the time you should see a new share in under N minutes.

Only other thing I can thing of would be to change the "Total Shares" statistics page to show "Your Shares/Total Shares" to see how much you contributed to each found block.

Really though these are all superficial changes to how the data is displayed so they're all just polish and not really important.  Functionally there's not really anything that I find lacking.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 31, 2011, 05:54:10 AM
Only other thing I can thing of would be to change the "Total Shares" statistics page to show "Your Shares/Total Shares" to see how much you contributed to each found block.
Well, the "Your reward" shows pretty much the same, you just need to double your reward and this will be almost your percentage.
For example, if if shows that your reward is 3.5 BTC, your share is 7% (7.2164948453608247422680412371134% to be precise)
Since there is not much free space for that table, i had to choose something among the possible columns. Will think about this further.

Really though these are all superficial changes to how the data is displayed so they're all just polish and not really important.  Functionally there's not really anything that I find lacking.
My "To Do" list is about two screens long. But i like making modifications to data display because it's easy :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on March 31, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
In the statistics (my account statistics) i think it would be nice to see the average amount of shares/h and the share/h of the last hour or something like that ;)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dansthunder on March 31, 2011, 07:03:50 PM
How about the ability to set custom timeout notifications on workers, and the option to send an email if a worker goes down?   Nothing worse then having your GPU miner reboot itself or crash, and no shares.   

On my gpu miners, I'd like to set a 1 or 2 minute "red" with an alert.   Some of my slowest cpu miners go red at 30 minutes anyway, so I would like to bump them to 45 mins.

Right now, I'm constantly watching my stats page, looking for miners that fall out.

Thanks!


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on March 31, 2011, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: zoro on Today at 07:08:29 pm
Moreover i don't see the 10% fee in pps method that you have said. i calculate exaclty the shares x share_value and the outcome was exactly the BTCs that i got!

Quote from: Tycho
That's because price per share is already set with 10% subtracted from average expectation.


i will transfer the conversiation here because it has to do with your pool Tycho.
thanks for the reply but i was reffering to your pool, i dont see anywhere this 10% fee, only the 3% for proportional and nothing for pps!


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 31, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
i will transfer the conversiation here because it has to do with your pool Tycho.
thanks for the reply but i was reffering to your pool, i dont see anywhere this 10% fee, only the 3% for proportional and nothing for pps!
Technically there is no "fee", i'm just buying your shares by the price, offered by me. This price is 10% lower than average expectation.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on March 31, 2011, 09:41:49 PM
UPDATE:
Now you can set your failure detection threshold (1-3600 minutes) separately for each worker. If no share is received from this account in given time the worker's name will turn red. Later i'll add e-mail notification too.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dansthunder on March 31, 2011, 10:18:37 PM
Awesome!   Now all we need some sort of notification, which I see is coming soon!  :)



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 01, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
Working worker, why green from blue?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 01, 2011, 08:09:51 AM
Working worker, why green from blue?
Fixed :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: ancow on April 01, 2011, 08:44:14 AM
UPDATE:
Now you can set your failure detection threshold (1-3600 minutes) separately for each worker. If no share is received from this account in given time the worker's name will turn red. Later i'll add e-mail notification too.

Just wondering why 1 minute is inclusive while 3600 are exclusive? (i.e. the highest I can set are 3599 minutes and the lowest is 1)
That seems a little inconsistent.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 01, 2011, 08:46:36 AM
Just wondering why 1 minute is inclusive while 3600 are exclusive? (i.e. the highest I can set are 3599 minutes and the lowest is 1)
That seems a little inconsistent.
Fixed. I hope 3600 is enough for everyone (it's 2.5 days) :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: os008 on April 01, 2011, 09:13:31 AM
PayPal mining ... April's Fool? :P


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 01, 2011, 10:56:22 AM
JFYI, graph of shares per block solved so far :)
Two blocks between 340000 and 500000 are not shown.
Red line is the current difficulty. Grey trendline is the real "difficulty".
http://deepbit.net/gr.gif


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on April 01, 2011, 12:47:43 PM
when we can have Webmoney mining, next 1st April ? ;)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 01, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
I saw the new addition paypal mining. its a really brilliant idea.
But how you calculate the btc value to paypal value?
Which exchange you will use & also you use fixed rate or daily or hourly rate?
Also BTC/PPUSD changes even hourly, so, if a user waits for the maximum BTC rate , then he set use instant payout?
or you pay daily at a particular time UTC 0:00 as you used to pay before & you take the value of BTC at that point & convert or You convert the lowest value on that day?....

It would be better if you explain and also add a FAQ in the site itself.

Thanks for adding paypal option, it makes miners not to wait for his/her bitcoins to sell in mtgox or otc or black market.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 01, 2011, 05:18:13 PM
I saw the new addition paypal mining. its a really brilliant idea.
But how you calculate the btc value to paypal value?
Which exchange you will use & also you use fixed rate or daily or hourly rate?
Also BTC/PPUSD changes even hourly, so, if a user waits for the maximum BTC rate , then he set use instant payout?
or you pay daily at a particular time UTC 0:00 as you used to pay before & you take the value of BTC at that point & convert or You convert the lowest value on that day?....

It would be better if you explain and also add a FAQ in the site itself.

Thanks for adding paypal option, it makes miners not to wait for his/her bitcoins to sell in mtgox or otc or black market.


April 1st :(


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 01, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: EPiSKiNG on April 01, 2011, 06:44:29 PM
I saw the new addition paypal mining. its a really brilliant idea.
But how you calculate the btc value to paypal value?
Which exchange you will use & also you use fixed rate or daily or hourly rate?
Also BTC/PPUSD changes even hourly, so, if a user waits for the maximum BTC rate , then he set use instant payout?
or you pay daily at a particular time UTC 0:00 as you used to pay before & you take the value of BTC at that point & convert or You convert the lowest value on that day?....

It would be better if you explain and also add a FAQ in the site itself.

Thanks for adding paypal option, it makes miners not to wait for his/her bitcoins to sell in mtgox or otc or black market.


Tycho really had me going for a second, until I started asking all the same questions as you.  Then I realized I had been fooled.

-EP


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: n4l3hp on April 01, 2011, 07:17:30 PM
My current motherboard supports AGP only, so if I want to run with GPU I have no choice but to gut my system to replace my old graphics card, motherboard, processor and ram (ie, major pain in the ass). I had already started looking into it, I'm rather sick of all my games crashing every 5 minutes due to a motherboard bug. I doubt I'll see much of a difference in my power bill, I used to run Folding@Home 24/7 anyway.

Try looking for an AGP version of 4650 or 4670 in Ebay. There are some listed once in a while.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 01, 2011, 08:17:53 PM
Tycho, i think the automatic payment is not working. i have it at 5 and it passes 6 when i performed instant payout instead!


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 01, 2011, 08:28:38 PM
hmm... fooled on 200th post & April 1st.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blo
Post by: bobR on April 01, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
hmm... fooled on 200th post & April 1st.

DISRAG the posting TROLL


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 01, 2011, 10:30:16 PM
Tycho, i think the automatic payment is not working. i have it at 5 and it passes 6 when i performed instant payout instead!
You didn't read the description :)
Automatic payment is triggered if your balance is higher than your threshold AND at least 24 hours passed since last payment.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blo
Post by: ehird on April 02, 2011, 01:40:42 AM
DISRAG the posting TROLL

That just wouldn't do! This public forum is no place for nudity!


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on April 02, 2011, 02:21:22 AM
Question: Why is it necessary to enter your password to log off? I'm very curious to hear the train of thought you had when you chose to implement it that way.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 02, 2011, 02:26:23 AM
Question: Why is it necessary to enter your password to log off? I'm very curious to hear the train of thought you had when you chose to implement it that way.
The purpose of this is to invalidate all cookies possibly stored on other computers (just implemented that way).


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on April 02, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
when can you tell if a block is invalid, after 120 confirmations?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 02, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
when can you tell if a block is invalid, after 120 confirmations?
It will be marked as "Invalid" in stats. But you shouldn't care because i pay for invalid blocks too.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 02, 2011, 10:34:32 AM
cool! thanks Tycho.
i already implement the signature thing... :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: os008 on April 02, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
  • JSON API (http://deepbit.net/settings) is available for fetching user stats.
How do i use this please?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 02, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
  • JSON API (http://deepbit.net/settings) is available for fetching user stats.
How do i use this please?
Open your Advanced Settings page, then click on the "API" under the "Change my password" link.
This is your API link with token. By opening it, you'll receive a JSON entity with stats inside. If you know what to do with JSON, you can use it right away. The data is updated each minute.
Complete description of JSON and JSON-RPC API will be available tomorrow.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 02, 2011, 05:30:56 PM
I love and hate the newest addition for these reason:
1.)it will show your Current Active speed, so if i stop my miner to go play games. it looks like i suck at mining
2.)This is great advertising for Deepbit.net, Wich in my case, isnt all that good lol, the more people in the pool faster than me'll make me get less


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: error on April 02, 2011, 06:43:10 PM
I love and hate the newest addition for these reason:
1.)it will show your Current Active speed, so if i stop my miner to go play games. it looks like i suck at mining
2.)This is great advertising for Deepbit.net, Wich in my case, isnt all that good lol, the more people in the pool faster than me'll make me get less

So don't stop your miner to play games. I see about a 20% drop in hash rate while gaming, but that's far better than a 100% drop. :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: m4rkiz on April 02, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
[...] the more people in the pool faster than me'll make me get less

not true


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 02, 2011, 10:48:53 PM
UPDATE:
  • JSON API (http://deepbit.net/settings) is available for fetching user stats.
  • Now you can see average number of shares per block in the last 24 hours on stats page (http://deepbit.net/stats)
  • Web session reset after IP change can be disabled
  • 'Your percentage of pool's speed' display can be hidden
  • Averaging window for hashrate display/"luck meter" can be adjusted (5-30 minutes)
  • Dynamic signature for forums is available but lacks any design yet (sorry). You may want to increase averaging window to improve it's precision :)

Tomorrow some signature controls will be added, such as colors and content selection.

...I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the miners who are still alive


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 03:38:42 AM
1) Do you people want to receive notifications about payouts (optional) ?
What method would you choose - e-mail or jabber ?

2) What notification method is preferred for notification about failure of your miner ?
a) e-mail
b) jabber
c) SMS (not free)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: gusti on April 03, 2011, 03:44:24 AM
of course
email


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 03, 2011, 03:46:32 AM
Most mobile carriers permit some method of sending email to a phone...   free SMS


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 03, 2011, 04:40:28 AM
So that paypal thing was a joke or no?  I don't use paypal personally but just wondering.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: overand on April 03, 2011, 04:51:10 AM
I have to agree - e-mail or jabber are more important, but include a quick link there for "SMS" to something like  this list of e-mail addresses for cell providers (http://www.emailtextmessages.com/)

I'd argue that more folks these days are using e-mail than Jabber/XMPP, so e-mail notification is probably more useful for more users, though Jabber is probably more appropriate.

Plus, setting up that e-mail notification gadget?  Totally rad if you get that working for 'down miner' too.

Most mobile carriers permit some method of sending email to a phone...   free SMS


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 03, 2011, 04:59:33 AM
1) Do you people want to receive notifications about payouts (optional) ?
What method would you choose - e-mail or jabber ?
Email.  I like the idea of XMPP notifications, but I'd rather have them someplace where retrieving them isn't subject to my physical location.  (If I'm online at work and not at home, and I leave work without taking my IM client at work offline, I won't get notifications until I go back to work.  Also, yes, it's called XMPP -- Jabber is the legacy name and its use is discouraged. ;))

2) What notification method is preferred for notification about failure of your miner ?
a) e-mail
b) jabber
c) SMS (not free)
d) None.

I am running a home-grown PHP mining proxy that will let me centrally manage my miners and which pool(s) they will mine, with failover.  It does its own monitoring, and I would rather not receive notifications from two places.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 05:08:21 AM
So that paypal thing was a joke or no?  I don't use paypal personally but just wondering.
PayPal mining is a joke. But setting your PayPal address is not.

I am running a home-grown PHP mining proxy that will let me centrally manage my miners and which pool(s) they will mine, with failover.  It does its own monitoring, and I would rather not receive notifications from two places.
It's optional, of course.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 03, 2011, 05:17:18 AM
I am running a home-grown PHP mining proxy that will let me centrally manage my miners and which pool(s) they will mine, with failover.  It does its own monitoring, and I would rather not receive notifications from two places.
It's optional, of course.
Right now I see an option to set the failure threshold between 1 and 3600 minutes, but not to disable it altogether.  (Of course, 3600 minutes is 2.5 days, and I doubt I'll be off the pool for that long, but still...)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 05:20:05 AM
I am running a home-grown PHP mining proxy that will let me centrally manage my miners and which pool(s) they will mine, with failover.  It does its own monitoring, and I would rather not receive notifications from two places.
It's optional, of course.
Right now I see an option to set the failure threshold between 1 and 3600 minutes, but not to disable it altogether.  (Of course, 3600 minutes is 2.5 days, and I doubt I'll be off the pool for that long, but still...)
I'm talking about notification, it's not deployed yet. There will be additional checkbox.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 03, 2011, 05:35:20 AM
I'm talking about notification, it's not deployed yet. There will be additional checkbox.
Ah, so this setting does nothing at the moment?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 05:44:41 AM
I'm talking about notification, it's not deployed yet. There will be additional checkbox.
Ah, so this setting does nothing at the moment?
It sets detecting threshold, but this affects only JSON API report and red color at account page yet. Later, there will be option to send a notification.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 03, 2011, 06:07:40 AM
So that paypal thing was a joke or no?  I don't use paypal personally but just wondering.
PayPal mining is a joke. But setting your PayPal address is not.

I am running a home-grown PHP mining proxy that will let me centrally manage my miners and which pool(s) they will mine, with failover.  It does its own monitoring, and I would rather not receive notifications from two places.
It's optional, of course.

Sorry for being dense but what is the point of entering a paypal email address if it does nothing are you planning on making a use for it in the future?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 06:10:46 AM
So that paypal thing was a joke or no?  I don't use paypal personally but just wondering.
PayPal mining is a joke. But setting your PayPal address is not.
Sorry for being dense but what is the point of entering a paypal email address if it does nothing are you planning on making a use for it in the future?
PayPal payouts are going to be available soon. Hope so :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 03, 2011, 06:13:52 AM
So that paypal thing was a joke or no?  I don't use paypal personally but just wondering.
PayPal mining is a joke. But setting your PayPal address is not.
Sorry for being dense but what is the point of entering a paypal email address if it does nothing are you planning on making a use for it in the future?
PayPal payouts are going to be available soon. Hope so :)

Oh nice I wouldn't use paypal but great for those who do your pool just keeps getting better.  Thanks for the dedication!


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: AliceD on April 03, 2011, 07:08:39 AM
Hi Folks!

I just started using Bitcoin and deepbit some days ago.

Everything was running fine, but today i could'nt log in at the deepbit-site, it said User_not_found

So I re-registered, used my old emailadress but changed my password. Now I can log on at the deepbit-site, but all coins i made are gone, and my miner can't login with my new userdata, but my miner can log in and is doing hash/s with my old userdata, but my new deepbit.account isnt makong a single cent.

Is it possible I was hacked? Or did I made some sort of mistake?

Thanks for help in advance


update: Problem was solved by [Tycho] in super short time, all BTC are back - Thanks very much !


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 07:11:41 AM
So I re-registered, used my old emailadress but changed my password. Now I can log on at the deepbit-site, but all coins i made are gone, and my miner can't login with my new userdata, but my miner can log in and is doing hash/s with my old userdata, but my new deepbit.account isnt makong a single cent.
Is it possible I was hacked? Or did I made some sort of mistake?
Thanks for help in advance
PM me your login name and we will find out what's happened.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 03, 2011, 07:20:42 AM
is it possible to have a column next to workers to show the amount of blocks that the worker has found?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 03, 2011, 07:23:53 AM
is it possible to have a column next to workers to show the amount of blocks that the worker has found?
Currently i don't have a complete history of this, sorry.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 03, 2011, 07:42:16 AM
i mean from now on, not the previous ones :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bolapara on April 03, 2011, 08:22:54 PM
Nice service!  I have a request though.  It'd be nice if you offered https access.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 04, 2011, 03:42:52 PM
It'd be nice if you offered https access.
+1


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 05, 2011, 01:55:41 PM
Yes, i know about demand for HTTPS. It will be added as soon as i get SSL certificate (a couple of days, i hope).
Sorry for delay.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 05, 2011, 01:57:58 PM
What exactly are the benefits of HTTPS?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 05, 2011, 02:35:45 PM
What exactly are the benefits of HTTPS?
With HTTPS conection it's harder to intercept the information between browser and server.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dbitcoin on April 05, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
Yes, i know about demand for HTTPS. It will be added as soon as i get SSL certificate (a couple of days, i hope).
Sorry for delay.

Sadly with current SSL certificate market and browser behavior, good certificate with "green bar" too expensive fro small project.
Or self-signed or cheap "blue" SSL certificate with fake 99% "browser compatibility" ($10-40/per year).


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 05, 2011, 03:42:37 PM
Sadly with current SSL certificate market and browser behavior, good certificate with "green bar" too expensive fro small project.
Or self-signed or cheap "blue" SSL certificate with fake 99% "browser compatibility" ($10-40/per year).
There are many companies giving SSL certs for free. And those are recognized by most browsers (IE7+).
And this isn't a small project :)

Actually the users who asked for SSL may not trust even the root authorities for 100%. The Comodo was already "hacked" a couple of weeks ago.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 05, 2011, 04:14:44 PM
There are many companies giving SSL certs for free. And those are recognized by most browsers (IE7+).
And this isn't a small project :)

Actually the users who asked for SSL may not trust even the root authorities for 100%. The Comodo was already "hacked" a couple of weeks ago.
Have you considered CACert?  I use them for my certificates.  They're not trusted by most browsers by default, but it's pretty easy to install the root certs.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 05, 2011, 04:19:35 PM
Have you considered CACert?  I use them for my certificates.  They're not trusted by most browsers by default, but it's pretty easy to install the root certs.
Thanks for your advice, but if i'm going to support HTTPS, i'd try to get something supported by at least IE7+, if possible :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 05, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Related to HTTPS:  I am planning on adding support for HTTP Digest authentication, on top of current HTTP Basic auth.  While not perfect, and SSL is better, this will move community away from sending base64-encoded passwords (easily decoded) frequently over the 'net.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 05, 2011, 06:09:05 PM
Related to HTTPS:  I am planning on adding support for HTTP Digest authentication, on top of current HTTP Basic auth.  While not perfect, and SSL is better, this will move community away from sending base64-encoded passwords (easily decoded) frequently over the 'net.
Note that any risk of discovered passwords is mitigated by pools that have worker accounts (like slush's) and where users use random passwords, different from the main account password, for the worker accounts.

The main account login should be secured with TLS, since the destination wallet can be changed with that password, but the worst you could do with a worker account password is request/submit work or try to screw around with the pool under someone else's name.  (And the pool operator would readily be able to tell that such requests were coming from another IP anyway.)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 05, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
Related to HTTPS:  I am planning on adding support for HTTP Digest authentication, on top of current HTTP Basic auth.  While not perfect, and SSL is better, this will move community away from sending base64-encoded passwords (easily decoded) frequently over the 'net.
Note that any risk of discovered passwords is mitigated by pools that have worker accounts (like slush's) and where users use random passwords, different from the main account password, for the worker accounts.

This standard was started by bitcoind, and is used outside of pools.  Furthermore, if I intercept a worker password, I can make an attack look like it's coming from another user, possibly getting them kicked off the pool server.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dbitcoin on April 05, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
Sadly with current SSL certificate market and browser behavior, good certificate with "green bar" too expensive fro small project.
Or self-signed or cheap "blue" SSL certificate with fake 99% "browser compatibility" ($10-40/per year).
There are many companies giving SSL certs for free. And those are recognized by most browsers (IE7+).
And this isn't a small project :)
Actually the users who asked for SSL may not trust even the root authorities for 100%. The Comodo was already "hacked" a couple of weeks ago.
You a ready pay something like $400+ per year for complains from such not trusted users? :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dbitcoin on April 05, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
Note that any risk of discovered passwords is mitigated by pools that have worker accounts (like slush's) and where users use random passwords, different from the main account password, for the worker accounts.

This standard was started by bitcoind, and is used outside of pools.  Furthermore, if I intercept a worker password, I can make an attack look like it's coming from another user, possibly getting them kicked off the pool server.

Such attack easily discovered by IP or if user usually use another miner.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 05, 2011, 06:57:52 PM
Note that any risk of discovered passwords is mitigated by pools that have worker accounts (like slush's) and where users use random passwords, different from the main account password, for the worker accounts.

This standard was started by bitcoind, and is used outside of pools.  Furthermore, if I intercept a worker password, I can make an attack look like it's coming from another user, possibly getting them kicked off the pool server.

Such attack easily discovered by IP or if user usually use another miner.

That does not excuse sending cleartext passwords with every request.  Users have been known to do strange things, like re-use passwords.

Decades of security practice has demonstrated that cleartext passwords should never ever be used.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: electrotime on April 05, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
Hi Tycho! I've been using rpcminer-cuda without problems, but now I've noticed this in my profile:

05.04.2011 18:08:56   0h 25m   31955    None
05.04.2011 17:43:09   0h 49m   61789    None
05.04.2011 16:54:08   0h 59m   74549    None
05.04.2011 15:54:58   0h 19m   25210    None
05.04.2011 15:35:16   0h 42m   55033    None
05.04.2011 14:52:19   0h 23m   30346    None
05.04.2011 14:28:50   0h 02m   3113    None
05.04.2011 14:26:23   0h 30m   38431    None
05.04.2011 13:56:16   0h 07m   9308    None
05.04.2011 13:48:45   0h 34m   42825    None
05.04.2011 13:14:34   0h 42m   53102    None
05.04.2011 12:32:13   0h 30m   40124    None
05.04.2011 12:01:24   0h 26m   33833    None
05.04.2011 11:34:37   2h 18m   181196    None
05.04.2011 09:15:50   2h 35m   203520    None
05.04.2011 06:40:35   1h 36m   123378    None
05.04.2011 05:04:08   0h 00m   871    None
05.04.2011 05:03:23   0h 25m   31564    None
05.04.2011 04:37:58   0h 40m   50619    None
05.04.2011 03:57:42   1h 31m   114299    None
05.04.2011 02:26:00   0h 18m   22245    None
05.04.2011 02:07:55   2h 49m   209771    None
04.04.2011 23:18:31   0h 19m   24617    None
04.04.2011 22:58:37   0h 05m   6482    None
04.04.2011 22:53:05   0h 13m   15859    None
04.04.2011 22:39:33   0h 27m   33861    None
04.04.2011 22:11:54   4h 02m   238749    None
04.04.2011 19:14:14   1h 05m   64308    None
04.04.2011 18:09:00   0h 27m   35344    None
04.04.2011 17:41:39   2h 30m   194227    None

How can it be posible? I've been watching the window and it was working, and I've also been checking my gpu temps and my card was at >60 so it was working... what happened here? :o


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Miner-TE on April 05, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
Hi Tycho! I've been using rpcminer-cuda without problems, but now I've noticed this in my profile:

05.04.2011 18:08:56   0h 25m   31955    None
05.04.2011 17:43:09   0h 49m   61789    None
05.04.2011 16:54:08   0h 59m   74549    None
05.04.2011 15:54:58   0h 19m   25210    None
05.04.2011 15:35:16   0h 42m   55033    None
05.04.2011 14:52:19   0h 23m   30346    None
05.04.2011 14:28:50   0h 02m   3113    None
05.04.2011 14:26:23   0h 30m   38431    None
05.04.2011 13:56:16   0h 07m   9308    None
05.04.2011 13:48:45   0h 34m   42825    None
05.04.2011 13:14:34   0h 42m   53102    None
05.04.2011 12:32:13   0h 30m   40124    None
05.04.2011 12:01:24   0h 26m   33833    None
05.04.2011 11:34:37   2h 18m   181196    None
05.04.2011 09:15:50   2h 35m   203520    None
05.04.2011 06:40:35   1h 36m   123378    None
05.04.2011 05:04:08   0h 00m   871    None
05.04.2011 05:03:23   0h 25m   31564    None
05.04.2011 04:37:58   0h 40m   50619    None
05.04.2011 03:57:42   1h 31m   114299    None
05.04.2011 02:26:00   0h 18m   22245    None
05.04.2011 02:07:55   2h 49m   209771    None
04.04.2011 23:18:31   0h 19m   24617    None
04.04.2011 22:58:37   0h 05m   6482    None
04.04.2011 22:53:05   0h 13m   15859    None
04.04.2011 22:39:33   0h 27m   33861    None
04.04.2011 22:11:54   4h 02m   238749    None
04.04.2011 19:14:14   1h 05m   64308    None
04.04.2011 18:09:00   0h 27m   35344    None
04.04.2011 17:41:39   2h 30m   194227    None

How can it be posible? I've been watching the window and it was working, and I've also been checking my gpu temps and my card was at >60 so it was working... what happened here? :o

Are you set for Pay-Per-Share?   PPS does not show you payout by block, only Proportional.

   


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 05, 2011, 07:35:14 PM
Hi Tycho! I've been using rpcminer-cuda without problems, but now I've noticed this in my profile:
05.04.2011 18:08:56   0h 25m   31955    None
How can it be posible? I've been watching the window and it was working, and I've also been checking my gpu temps and my card was at >60º so it was working... what happened here? :o
Everything is fine on my side. PM me your login name so i can check your account stats.

What was shown on your account page and in workers table ?

If you are using PPS mode, then there is no "your reward per block", your account balance just increases every hour.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 05, 2011, 07:58:09 PM
This standard was started by bitcoind, and is used outside of pools.
If we are talking about Bitcoin's own RPC mechanism, this should really use TLS anyway, rendering the HTTP auth mechanism irrelevant.  If you're sending requests over the Internet to other bitcoind instances to do things like transfer money, all of the data should be secured.

Furthermore, if I intercept a worker password, I can make an attack look like it's coming from another user, possibly getting them kicked off the pool server.
Please read my original post again.  It's clear that you skipped some parts.

That does not excuse sending cleartext passwords with every request.  Users have been known to do strange things, like re-use passwords.

Decades of security practice has demonstrated that cleartext passwords should never ever be used.
I'm not disputing that, only indicating that there are perfectly reasonable workarounds that exist already, and that any security-conscious user would already be using them.  Besides, digest-mode authentication is really like using a band-aid on a severed limb.  If we're going to spend energy securing the protocol, how about we do it right?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 05, 2011, 08:01:32 PM
...because not all users will or can use HTTPS, rendering most of those points moot.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 05, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
If we are talking about Bitcoin's own RPC mechanism, this should really use TLS anyway, rendering the HTTP auth mechanism irrelevant.  If you're sending requests over the Internet to other bitcoind instances to do things like transfer money, all of the data should be secured.
To elaborate on this a bit: suppose that Mallory does have the ability to intercept Alice's traffic.  Using basic auth, Mallory can extract Alice's username and password, then send his own requests to her bitcoind and do stuff.  He may also be able to authenticate using Alice's credentials to other services (email, etc.).

Using digest auth, Mallory cannot easily extract Alice's username and password, but if Mallory has the ability to intercept traffic he probably has the ability to alter it as well.  He can then execute a MITM attack, change Alice's request payload, and transfer money to himself, possibly even return a response back to Alice that looks like a reasonable response to her original request so that she is not immediately aware of the attack.  Mallory can't try to authenticate using Alice's unknown-to-him credentials elsewhere, but he now has a fair amount of control over her bitcoind.  This is a slightly better scenario, but only marginally.

Using TLS, Mallory would have to compromise Alice's bitcoind private key (or trick Alice into using a forged certificate) in order for any such attacks to be possible.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 05, 2011, 08:05:48 PM
...because not all users will or can use HTTPS, rendering most of those points moot.
Nobody could use TLS before TLS was invented, either.  It's a good thing people didn't give up on creating it.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 05, 2011, 08:11:32 PM
Using encryption is better than not using encryption.  Thanks for that news flash.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 05, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
User who cares about securuty would use separate password for workers.
Worker processing and JSON API doesn't allow attacker to steal user's money or account. There is no function to change user's bitcoin address with worker password or api token. Someone may even use random password for main account and never use it again to prevent it's interception :))


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cdhowie on April 05, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
Worker processing and JSON API doesn't allow attacker to steal user's money or account. There is no function to change user's bitcoin address with worker password or api token. Someone may even use random password for main account and never use it again to prevent it's interception :))
Right, that's pretty much what I'm saying -- implementing digest auth for mining doesn't seem worthwhile, given that damage can only result if the user is dumb enough to use a shared password for a worker.  Attacks under the user's identity can be easily detected.

If it wasn't clear, I was only bringing up a possible attack against a normal bitcoind in response to this:

This standard was started by bitcoind, and is used outside of pools.
I was trying to illustrate that digest auth is pointless for mining accounts, and offers only the illusion of protection for a normal bitcoind.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 05, 2011, 09:29:55 PM
It's very simple:  using Digest auth by default will reduce potential for problems, over existing practice of using Basic auth.  Is SSL better?  Yes.  Do potential problems exist even with Digest?  Yes.  But neither of those factors implies that Digest is useless, given current client implementations and practices.

Remember:  don't let perfect be the enemy of good.


Title: [~90 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 06, 2011, 07:20:28 AM
Difficulty period of ~68978.89245792 just ended this night and new difficulty is ~82347.22294654 (~19% increase) :)

During this period we have found 263 blocks with average 68128.4106 shares per block, which is ~1.23% better than expected.
Our hashrate is about 90 GH/s and peak value yesterday was over 100 GH/s.

UPDATE:
  • You can try to enable history column in you advanced settings
    If history column is enabled, you can see your shares/total shares, average speed and balance change for each block


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: os008 on April 06, 2011, 10:28:32 AM
Thank you for all the new features; making this pool better very fast. Keep it up :).


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 06, 2011, 05:45:01 PM
I've already said it and I'll say it again, feature-wise and in general, this is by far the best pool. Sure the fees are the highest on the market, but they are offset by LP and failed block payouts, which IMO, as long as slush doesn't implement LP, deepbit is actually cheaper than slush. Having such a large hashrate, this is, for most, the most attractive pool to join.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: konstancja on April 06, 2011, 05:49:05 PM
thanks  for having long polling support


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Doctor Mushies on April 06, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
Tycho:
Can I get help with reseting, or recovering a lost account password?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 06, 2011, 10:39:47 PM
Hey, [Tycho], recently slush made this post in his thread:

In connection to recent security issues of other bitcoin site I want to clarify, that pool application does not store account passwords in paintext, but as hashes with random salt to avoid possible dictionary attacks. Also pool sources are built on technologies which does not allow SQL injection in any form. Finally, the profile page is using techniques against Cross site request forqery attack (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/cs/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery). It makes impossible to modify (for example) wallet address from malicious javascript. I care about overall pool security a lot.


Could you confirm you have something of the sort? It would put my mind and several other's people's mine at ease


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 07, 2011, 03:07:53 AM
PayPal mining?  :o


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 03:31:41 AM
PayPal mining?  :o

an AF joke


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: mjsbuddha on April 07, 2011, 03:44:27 AM

though there's no reason he couldn't convert the bitcoins at the current mt. gox rate and deposit it directly into a paypal account.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 03:59:20 AM

though there's no reason he couldn't convert the bitcoins at the current mt. gox rate and deposit it directly into a paypal account.

wayyyyyyyy too much work


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 07, 2011, 05:25:25 AM
though there's no reason he couldn't convert the bitcoins at the current mt. gox rate and deposit it directly into a paypal account.
wayyyyyyyy too much work
Actually this IS possible and i'm working on it. There is already API for automatic exchange, but i have no paypal accounts with allowed incoming transactions, so testing it is not so easy :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 07, 2011, 05:30:04 AM
Hey, [Tycho], recently slush made this post in his thread:
In connection to recent security issues of other bitcoin site I want to clarify, that pool application does not store account passwords in paintext, but as hashes with random salt to avoid possible dictionary attacks. Also pool sources are built on technologies which does not allow SQL injection in any form. Finally, the profile page is using techniques against Cross site request forqery attack (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/cs/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery). It makes impossible to modify (for example) wallet address from malicious javascript. I care about overall pool security a lot.
Could you confirm you have something of the sort? It would put my mind and several other's people's mine at ease
Yes, of course. I'm not storing plaintext account passwords, only as salted hashes - that's why your main password is shown as "hidden" if used as worker's password. There is no SQL in my pool and it's protected against injections. Cross-site form forgery is not possible too.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 05:51:03 AM
couldn't you ask a mod to change the thread title to ~90 instead of 70?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 07, 2011, 08:47:53 AM
Also, the "BTC in last 24 hours" in history column is real earning, not theoretical or expected value.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 07, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
Also, the "BTC in last 24 hours" in history column is real earning, not theoretical or expected value.

wich is a giagantic peice of the site that i love

Could you make it so that your pool shows how many Blocks (50gen's) that we've found, I've found One on slushs' pool and i've been mining in Deepbit for 3x the length that i've mined in Slushs' pool.
 But the #1 that bugs me is the rate of auto payout!, it needs to be Much more than Once a day without


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bombo999 on April 07, 2011, 03:37:43 PM
Also, the "BTC in last 24 hours" in history column is real earning, not theoretical or expected value.

wich is a giagantic peice of the site that i love

Could you make it so that your pool shows how many Blocks (50gen's) that we've found, I've found One on slushs' pool and i've been mining in Deepbit for 3x the length that i've mined in Slushs' pool.
 But the #1 that bugs me is the rate of auto payout!, it needs to be Much more than Once a day without

I disagree.  Deepbit has one of the best implemented and most flexible payout configurations of any pool.  There is no delay for block confirmation, there is customization for payout threshold which triggers the automatic daily payments and on top of all that there is a pay now button. 


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 05:47:50 PM
Also, the "BTC in last 24 hours" in history column is real earning, not theoretical or expected value.

wich is a giagantic peice of the site that i love

Could you make it so that your pool shows how many Blocks (50gen's) that we've found, I've found One on slushs' pool and i've been mining in Deepbit for 3x the length that i've mined in Slushs' pool.
 But the #1 that bugs me is the rate of auto payout!, it needs to be Much more than Once a day without

I disagree.  Deepbit has one of the best implemented and most flexible payout configurations of any pool.  There is no delay for block confirmation, there is customization for payout threshold which triggers the automatic daily payments and on top of all that there is a pay now button. 

agreed, and since he s a big pool, if he did payout too often, he would flood the Bitcoin transfers or wtv and slow everything down.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jgarzik on April 07, 2011, 05:50:05 PM
agreed, and since he s a big pool, if he did payout too often, he would flood the Bitcoin transfers or wtv and slow everything down.

Not with the new 'sendmany' transaction, designed specifically for pool operators and similar situations.



Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 07, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
6 hours have passed without new block?!
i hope it is a site refressing problem :D


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 05:58:07 PM
6 hours have passed without new block?!
i hope it is a site refressing problem :D

at 18% more BTC then expected, you have to anticipate this to balance things out


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 07, 2011, 06:01:18 PM
07.04.2011 19:59:47   5h 49m    457322   
this not just bad luck, this is crazy  ;D


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 06:33:24 PM
07.04.2011 19:59:47   5h 49m    457322   
this not just bad luck, this is crazy  ;D

no, still at 7% better expected payout


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 07, 2011, 06:35:53 PM
07.04.2011 19:59:47   5h 49m    457322   
this not just bad luck, this is crazy  ;D
This was pretty expected with +18% luck.
But you shouldn't worry about it because we are still 9% ahead :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Borogove on April 07, 2011, 07:52:40 PM
07.04.2011 19:59:47   5h 49m    457322   
this not just bad luck, this is crazy  ;D

Dude, it all balances out:

06.04.2011 23:48:18   0h 00m    900
06.04.2011 23:47:33   0h 03m    4962

Of course, that would be the time when I was gaming.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 07, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
07.04.2011 19:59:47   5h 49m    457322   
this not just bad luck, this is crazy  ;D

Dude, it all balances out:

06.04.2011 23:48:18   0h 00m    900
06.04.2011 23:47:33   0h 03m    4962

Of course, that would be the time when I was gaming.

yea lol happens to me too


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 07, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
who has time for gaming?  ;D
just get a bitcoin dedicated rig !

07.04.2011 09:58:29   0h 10m    13073   0.54165073
07.04.2011 09:48:18   0h 00m    900   0.91611111
07.04.2011 09:47:33   0h 03m    4962   0.53758565

i am not compaining  :P


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 08, 2011, 04:51:06 AM
It may just be my internet, but I've been getting "Problems communicating with Bitcoin RPC" and the site won't load for ~5 minutes.

My end or the site's end? Just curious.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 08, 2011, 05:10:11 AM
DeepBit is DOWN

... get it sorted.

... and UP

... and DOWN

... and UP

this is getting old, was it planned or is it some kind of outage?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 08, 2011, 05:17:28 AM
Looks like it's back.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 08, 2011, 05:49:34 AM
It's been intermittent the past few hours.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 08, 2011, 06:14:59 AM
Yeah seems to be having problems anybody having problems with mtgox as well?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 08, 2011, 06:38:16 AM
I was having an issue with a Liberty Reserve funds addition at Mt. Gox, this is what they had to say:

"Hi,

Could you send me the details about your LR transaction (the batch number should be enough) and your mtgox account name?

Looks like LR api is still not fully working...


Thanks,
Mark"

Once I sent the information, the funds cleared:

"Hi,

Your funds have been credited to your account. We will try to check this LR problem to see exactly why it's not working fine.


Thanks,
Mark"

Edit: And yes, Deepbit seems to be having some intermittent connectivity issues today. Well, by the looks of my miners, about 40 minutes of an outage this last time.

As I was typing, service came back up: 42 minutes of downtime.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 08, 2011, 07:10:49 AM
I saw connectivity problems with some of the users, looks like peering failure. Trying to find cause of this.

And i ordered a new server in Europe to use as backup (automatic failover) for this kind of situations, will be available in a couple of days.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 08, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
I saw connectivity problems with some of the users, looks like peering failure. Trying to find cause of this.

And i ordered a new server in Europe to use as backup for this kind of situations, will be available in a couple of days.

Awesome thanks again for the continued work.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on April 08, 2011, 05:37:23 PM
Could the dates and times on the web site be displayed according to client time zone? There hasn't been one listed so it's rather confusing to know exactly what time it's relative to. GMT? Your local time? Definitely not my local time (EST). :S


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 08, 2011, 05:39:37 PM
Could the dates and times on the web site be displayed according to client time zone? There hasn't been one listed so it's rather confusing to know exactly what time it's relative to. GMT? Your local time? Definitely not my local time (EST). :S
It's GMT or UTC. You can set your timezone in advanced settings. It was mentioned in news column more than a month ago :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on April 08, 2011, 05:43:06 PM
I did set it a long time ago but it never seems to match or be near the time on my local clock when something changes or appears. :S

Case in point, a few days ago I saw that a payment (will have?) had been made several hours in the future (in other words, more than just the offset of daylight savings time in difference).


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: yrral on April 08, 2011, 06:02:12 PM
THIS WAS FROM THE DEEPBIT THREAD, NOT THIS ONE

If you use miner with long polling support and have several miner instances (several rigs or multiple gpu cards), you must use different miner login/password for each miner instance.
You may create additional miner logins in your profile.


Do we need to do this as well?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on April 08, 2011, 06:03:28 PM
THIS WAS FROM THE DEEPBIT THREAD, NOT THIS ONE
If you use miner with long polling support and have several miner instances (several rigs or multiple gpu cards), you must use different miner login/password for each miner instance.
You may create additional miner logins in your profile.

Do we need to do this as well?
Yes.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 08, 2011, 06:11:08 PM
THIS WAS FROM THE DEEPBIT THREAD, NOT THIS ONE
If you use miner with long polling support and have several miner instances (several rigs or multiple gpu cards), you must use different miner login/password for each miner instance.
You may create additional miner logins in your profile.

Do we need to do this as well?
No.

You can use many miners on each worker account.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 08, 2011, 06:14:51 PM
I did set it a long time ago but it never seems to match or be near the time on my local clock when something changes or appears. :S
What is your timezone ? PM me your login name so i can check it.
Was the wrong data shown in "payments" page ?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 08, 2011, 06:23:48 PM
stats are delayed by 1 hour btw


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tolkien on April 08, 2011, 06:29:03 PM
I did set it a long time ago but it never seems to match or be near the time on my local clock when something changes or appears. :S
What is your timezone ? PM me your login name so i can check it.
Was the wrong data shown in "payments" page ?
I believe so.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 08, 2011, 09:45:01 PM
I saw connectivity problems with some of the users, looks like peering failure. Trying to find cause of this.

And i ordered a new server in Europe to use as backup (automatic failover) for this kind of situations, will be available in a couple of days.

Good stuff ... so out of interest, the new European server will not be co-located with the main server which is where ?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 09, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
And i ordered a new server in Europe to use as backup (automatic failover) for this kind of situations, will be available in a couple of days.
Good stuff ... so out of interest, the new European server will not be co-located with the main server which is where ?
Main server is in USA.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 09, 2011, 05:22:57 AM
Would it be possible to show statistics on PPS history entries and the Statistics menu? Currently, we just get the number of shares in the block, not the full display of our contribution, hash rate, and earning. And on the statistics page, it shows None under reward. It'd be nice to be able to track your progress, especially for those of us who mine overnight.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 09, 2011, 06:01:52 AM
Would it be possible to show statistics on PPS history entries and the Statistics menu? Currently, we just get the number of shares in the block, not the full display of our contribution, hash rate, and earning. And on the statistics page, it shows None under reward. It'd be nice to be able to track your progress, especially for those of us who mine overnight.
PPS earnings aren't connected with blocks, you will get your reward even if no blocks were found overnight at all, that's why PPS reward isn't shown in stats table.
You can look at your balance and contributed shares counter in workers list.

I'll try to come up with some solution, don't know the best way of displaying this yet.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 09, 2011, 06:20:50 AM
Would it be possible to show statistics on PPS history entries and the Statistics menu? Currently, we just get the number of shares in the block, not the full display of our contribution, hash rate, and earning. And on the statistics page, it shows None under reward. It'd be nice to be able to track your progress, especially for those of us who mine overnight.
PPS earnings aren't connected with blocks, you will get your reward even if no blocks were found overnight at all, that's why PPS reward isn't shown in stats table.
You can look at your balance and contributed shares counter in workers list.

I'll try to come up with some solution, don't know the best way of displaying this yet.

you could put the total reward of PPS during the time it took to find the block?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 09, 2011, 07:31:55 AM

you could put the total reward of PPS during the time it took to find the block?

Something like "During the last X hours Y minutes, a block was solved containing A shares, of which you contributed B, earning you C at the current rate."

Of course, it'd be compressed to the history sidebar, looking something like this

Mo/Dy/Yr Hr:Mn:Sc
Xh Ym BBB/AAAAAA
PPS: + C.CCCCCCCC BTC

Almost like the normal proportional one, just with a PPS to let you know what mode you were in. Maybe add Prop.: to proportional entries for easier distinguishing.

Since we're on the topic of PPS stat tracking, the new Statistics page could look like this:

Time/Link | Found In | Total Shares | Your Shares | % Contrib. | Mode | Payout

Example for Proportional: 09.04.2011 00:00:00   | 1h 30m | 30000 | 200 | 0.00667% | Prop. | 0.33333 BTC

Same example, PPS mode: 09.04.2011 00:00:00   | 1h 30m | 30000 | 200 | 0.00667% | PPS | 0.10929 BTC


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 09, 2011, 08:25:29 AM
Something like "During the last X hours Y minutes, a block was solved containing A shares, of which you contributed B, earning you C at the current rate."
In PPS mode your shares aren't connected to blocks in any way. People may be confused if i'll do it that way.

Since we're on the topic of PPS stat tracking, the new Statistics page could look like this:
Time/Link | Found In | Total Shares | Your Shares | % Contrib. | Mode | Payout
Example for Proportional: 09.04.2011 00:00:00   | 1h 30m | 30000 | 200 | 0.00667% | Prop. | 0.33333 BTC
Same example, PPS mode: 09.04.2011 00:00:00   | 1h 30m | 30000 | 200 | 0.00667% | PPS | 0.10929 BTC
Same user may have both PPS and Proportional workers running at the same time.
May be i'll add earnings table by hours - PPS reward for each hour and sum for 24 h.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 09, 2011, 06:19:18 PM
In PPS mode your shares aren't connected to blocks in any way. People may be confused if i'll do it that way.

[/quote]

Oh, if that's how it works, the by hour/day display would work best.


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 09, 2011, 06:32:41 PM
Something like "During the last X hours Y minutes, a block was solved containing A shares, of which you contributed B, earning you C at the current rate."
In PPS mode your shares aren't connected to blocks in any way. People may be confused if i'll do it that way.

Since we're on the topic of PPS stat tracking, the new Statistics page could look like this:
Time/Link | Found In | Total Shares | Your Shares | % Contrib. | Mode | Payout
Example for Proportional: 09.04.2011 00:00:00   | 1h 30m | 30000 | 200 | 0.00667% | Prop. | 0.33333 BTC
Same example, PPS mode: 09.04.2011 00:00:00   | 1h 30m | 30000 | 200 | 0.00667% | PPS | 0.10929 BTC
Same user may have both PPS and Proportional workers running at the same time.
May be i'll add earnings table by hours - PPS reward for each hour and sum for 24 h.

Good idea


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 10, 2011, 01:28:26 AM
I know you said you were thinking about paypal but could you also look into amazon payments as a possible auto payment thing?


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: will on April 10, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
Hi Tycho

You're running an awesome service and I really appreciate the time you're putting into it.

Just wanted to see what you're planning for the web's graphs?

I've used a cool cross-browser jquery charting tool called highcharts (http://www.highcharts.com/). Easy to implement and very interactive (and free).

Some charts i'd like to see:
1. Earnings vs total shares (dual y-axis), by day (x-axis) - (aggregate by day).
2. Earnings vs "found in time" (dual y-axis), by day (x-axis) - (aggregate by day).

Would be cool if you could dynamically add series for comparison on the dual axes. I've done something similar to that here: http://www.picostats.com/demo/

The thing with a charting spec is that it's hard to see what is needed before you actually see the data on a chart - so just wanted to throw this out there. If you want help with the designs, just let me know.

Keep up the good work :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 10, 2011, 11:12:07 AM
Hi Tycho
You're running an awesome service and I really appreciate the time you're putting into it.
Just wanted to see what you're planning for the web's graphs?
Hello.
Thanks for your advice, i'm looking into it. The good thing is that there is a support for drawing scatter plot, but the bad thing is the price - $360 for single license. So i'll better try something else :)

Initially i planned to put some raster graphs there, but now i think that JS may be suitable too (not sure yet :)


Title: Re: [~70 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1-2% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: will on April 10, 2011, 11:58:20 AM
Hmm, true - the single dev license is a bit steep for highcharts.

Google charts (http://code.google.com/apis/chart/) also supports scatter graphs (http://code.google.com/apis/chart/docs/gallery/scatter_charts.html): and is free to use.

Have you considered adding Adsense to the web for a bit of extra income? A quick calculation shows you should be able to make ~$50/day adding that (based on ~500 users doing one page-view/day). I certainly wouldn't mind it as you'd be able to offset the income from that with your 3% rate, allowing you to stay competitive if need be. That, or just making more money to subsidise your cool development, which is the point, I guess.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed bloc
Post by: jurian89 on April 10, 2011, 07:48:13 PM
put up some adds and lower your pps % to 8 % :D :D


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 10, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
I keep getting "not talking to master and retries used up". Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 10, 2011, 08:44:21 PM
I keep getting "not talking to master and retries used up". Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?
I'm deploying hot spare server at this moment, so short interrupts were possible. Don't worry, it will be fine shortly.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 10, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
I keep getting "not talking to master and retries used up". Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?
I'm deploying second server, so short interrupts are possible. Don't worry, it will be fine shortly.
Ok thanks.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Adeq on April 11, 2011, 09:23:13 AM
There is some problem with Instant payout, when I click the button, it shows: Please_wait_for_autopayment!.
Anyone have this issue?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: burtyb on April 11, 2011, 09:33:06 AM
<AOL>me too</AOL>

Edit: I've just had an auto payment come through.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 11, 2011, 11:21:17 AM
There is some problem with Instant payout, when I click the button, it shows: Please_wait_for_autopayment!.
Anyone have this issue?
Sorry, just fixed this :) You can use instant payment now.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Cablesaurus on April 11, 2011, 05:15:29 PM
Does deepbit reflect a stat on how many blocks one's workers have found for the poo (ala slush's pool)l? I was looking for this but couldn't find.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: ancow on April 11, 2011, 06:52:28 PM
I've been getting this error 4 times within 90 mins:
Code:
[2011-04-11 19:21:58] JSON-RPC call failed: {
   "code": -1,
   "message": "Out of semaphores to get db connection"
}


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 11, 2011, 07:13:14 PM
I've been getting this error 4 times within 90 mins:
Code:
[2011-04-11 19:21:58] JSON-RPC call failed: {
   "code": -1,
   "message": "Out of semaphores to get db connection"
}

I got similar I got long poll: Out of semaphores to get db connection.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 11, 2011, 07:44:11 PM
I got similar I got long poll: Out of semaphores to get db connection.
Already fixed. Adding new features at this moment, sorry :)


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 11, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Does deepbit reflect a stat on how many blocks one's workers have found for the poo (ala slush's pool)l? I was looking for this but couldn't find.
It's hidden at the very bottom of advanced settings page.

"Total shares" of block found by you is marked in bold text on stats page.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: demonofelru on April 11, 2011, 07:56:46 PM
I got similar I got long poll: Out of semaphores to get db connection.
Already fixed. Adding new features at this moment, sorry :)

No problem well worth it for new features thanks for fast response.


Title: 0.00 MH/s
Post by: dan12345 on April 11, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
I made an account earlier today, and I'm still reading 0.00 MH/s for my hashes.  I'm throwing 4 CPUs at this.  (My GPU's apparently don't support OpenCL.)  I'm reading "0.00 MH/s" even though my threads should be giving me at least 1 MH/s. 

My stats read as "Not a single share found yet."

Am I too slow for this pool?


Title: Re: 0.00 MH/s
Post by: [Tycho] on April 11, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
My stats read as "Not a single share found yet."
Am I too slow for this pool?
There is no minimal speed limit in the pool.
What miner do you use ? Have you found a share already ? How long you are mining ? PM me your login name and i'll check my logs.


Title: Re: 0.00 MH/s
Post by: dan12345 on April 11, 2011, 09:30:48 PM
There is no minimal speed limit in the pool.
What miner do you use ? Have you found a share already ? How long you are mining ? PM me your login name and i'll check my logs.

Speak of the devil.  One of my threads just had a hit. Now I'm up to 10.14 MH/s.  I guess I'm okay.

(I'm using jgarzik's CPU miner on two different dual-core boxes I have.)



Title: Re: 0.00 MH/s
Post by: [Tycho] on April 11, 2011, 10:26:46 PM
There is no minimal speed limit in the pool.
What miner do you use ? Have you found a share already ? How long you are mining ? PM me your login name and i'll check my logs.
Speak of the devil.  One of my threads just had a hit. Now I'm up to 10.14 MH/s.  I guess I'm okay.
(I'm using jgarzik's CPU miner on two different dual-core boxes I have.)
When mining with CPU you may want to increase your speed averaging window to 30 minutes in pool's advanced settings so the luck meter will be more accurate.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 12, 2011, 03:36:32 AM
I am running poclbm to mine with default ask rate. i use flags -v -w128 -f1.
Today, it stopped mining saying reduce ask rate..so, more than 3 hours of no mining. Only block detected using long poll is displayed.
Why suddenly i am asked to change ask rate?
Do , i have to change ask rate every few hours or minutes..?
I was running this same file with same flags for more than 10-15 days, since its released. last version of pocblm.exe (25/03/11).
Is anything changed?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: tenach on April 12, 2011, 08:22:02 AM
Are there any more statistics that you plan on exposing via the API?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 12, 2011, 11:02:53 AM
Are there any more statistics that you plan on exposing via the API?
What info do you want to fetch ? Suggestions are welcome.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: cowhead2oo3 on April 12, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
12.04.2011 06:06:05   0h 11m    16078   0.02413235
12.04.2011 05:54:38   0h 09m    13030   0.01861090
12.04.2011 05:45:27   0h 25m    35463   0.01367623
12.04.2011 05:20:26   0h 02m    3697           0.02623749
12.04.2011 05:17:44   2h 40m    226130   0.01587140
12.04.2011 02:37:16   0h 09m    13904   0.01395282
12.04.2011 02:27:32   0h 13m    19295   0.01256802
12.04.2011 02:14:02   0h 10m    14764   0.02628014
12.04.2011 02:03:45   0h 03m    5557           0.01745546
12.04.2011 01:59:52   0h 16m    23237   0.01878470
12.04.2011 01:43:38   0h 03m    5368           0.00903502
12.04.2011 01:39:49   0h 14m    21127   0.02295641
12.04.2011 01:24:54   0h 37m    52319   0.01575909
12.04.2011 00:47:37   1h 35m    133068   0.15380858
11.04.2011 23:11:46   1h 38m    129858   0.07693789
11.04.2011 21:33:02   0h 24m    31389   None
11.04.2011 21:08:54   2h 45m    214749   0.15199372
11.04.2011 18:23:20   0h 39m    51094   0.16611540
11.04.2011 17:44:01   1h 11m    94121   0.16644001
11.04.2011 16:32:36   0h 47m    61359   0.16836161

Why? My reward is decreased so much last night?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 12, 2011, 01:51:44 PM
Why? My reward is decreased so much last night?
May be there was a problem with your miner. Is the speed on your account page shown correctly ?
PM me your login name and i will check it.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 12, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
I am getting miner is idle error many times.
Problem is my side or server side?

12/04/2011 20:26:02, warning: job finished, miner is idle
12/04/2011 20:26:35, warning: job finished, miner is idle
12/04/2011 20:29:11, 83768226, accepted
12/04/2011 20:29:25, ee04b369, accepted
12/04/2011 20:29:39, 694536a5, accepted
12/04/2011 20:30:48, cd4b757c, accepted
12/04/2011 20:30:51, dee44092, accepted
12/04/2011 20:30:55, 918a9ec2, accepted
12/04/2011 20:30:57, 2bb60b9e, accepted
12/04/2011 20:31:39, warning: job finished, miner is idle
12/04/2011 20:31:48, 84ae8c02, accepted
12/04/2011 20:31:51, 2bbb7f45, accepted
12/04/2011 20:32:18, warning: job finished, miner is idle
12/04/2011 20:32:37, 56f59b5a, accepted
12/04/2011 20:32:50, warning: job finished, miner is idle
12/04/2011 20:33:00, f51b3ed9, accepted
12/04/2011 20:33:05, 8e773f33, accepted
12/04/2011 20:33:24, warning: job finished, miner is idle
12/04/2011 20:34:51, 051ff339, accepted
12/04/2011 20:34:52, 5bc67904, accepted
12/04/2011 20:35:30, 82f5b4ad, accepted
12/04/2011 20:36:34, 92406124, accepted


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 12, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
I am getting miner is idle error many times.
Problem is my side or server side?
I'm still working on your issue. "miner is idle" usually happens when you have network problems, but there may be other cause too. PM me your login name.

UPDATE: Looks like your problem was caused by the DNS server you are using - it wasn't updated fast enough.
To fix this you need to:
1) Add some good DNS servers to your TCP/IP settings and make them first in the list. You can use Google's DNS service: http://code.google.com/intl/ru/speed/public-dns/ (instructions inside).
2) Flush your DNS cache. If you are using Windows, execute ipconfig /flushdns in command line window.

This is recommended to those people who experienced connectivity problems in last two days.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 12, 2011, 09:42:17 PM
Anyway , i now using bitcoinpool's pocblm-mod in ur pool & it works with no problem. I too try google & opendns


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 13, 2011, 04:13:11 AM
Does deepbit reflect a stat on how many blocks one's workers have found for the poo (ala slush's pool)l? I was looking for this but couldn't find.
It's hidden at the very bottom of advanced settings page.

"Total shares" of block found by you is marked in bold text on stats page.
:-[ i've found 4 blocks.... Wouldnt that be 200? i've only mined 62 out of deepbit..... I feel very sad right now, I understand all the Wonderful benefits of being in a pool, but have i really only gained 31% of my minings earnings and shared 69% of it? :'( :'(


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 13, 2011, 04:38:14 AM
Does deepbit reflect a stat on how many blocks one's workers have found for the poo (ala slush's pool)l? I was looking for this but couldn't find.
It's hidden at the very bottom of advanced settings page.

"Total shares" of block found by you is marked in bold text on stats page.
:-[ i've found 4 blocks.... Wouldnt that be 200? i've only mined 62 out of deepbit..... I feel very sad right now, I understand all the Wonderful benefits of being in a pool, but have i really only gained 31% of my minings earnings and shared 69% of it? :'( :'(

Sure, its sad to hear.
But what about you earned so far without finding a block?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: BitLex on April 13, 2011, 04:56:51 AM
but have i really only gained 31% of my minings earnings and shared 69% of it? :'( :'(
no, the 31% are 100% your minings earnings,
what you share in a pool is your LUCK, not your earnings,
your (expected future) earnings do not depend on the number of blocks you found in a given (past) timeframe.

you've been just very lucky to be the one finding those blocks for the pool (not that it matters for yourself),
how could you tell what would have happened when you would have been mining solo?
you could have made 200BTC, or 500BTC, or none at all, noone can tell.

don't feel sad, the fun part about pools is, that you'll also receive your 62BTC (or less while difficulty rises) without finding any blocks at all.




Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 13, 2011, 05:18:09 AM
Are there any more statistics that you plan on exposing via the API?
What info do you want to fetch ? Suggestions are welcome.

Slush's pool has "estimated reward" - it calculates your proportional reward during a round by dividing your shares by the total shares.

I'm not sure it would work with the delay here.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: jkminkov on April 13, 2011, 06:01:27 AM
Does deepbit reflect a stat on how many blocks one's workers have found for the poo (ala slush's pool)l? I was looking for this but couldn't find.
It's hidden at the very bottom of advanced settings page.

"Total shares" of block found by you is marked in bold text on stats page.

that stat is since joining or later?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +1.2% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Grinder on April 13, 2011, 08:54:46 AM
"Total shares" of block found by you is marked in bold text on stats page.
Hey, I've found 3 in the last 10 hours! I demand a raise!


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Shienarier on April 13, 2011, 10:45:55 AM
Is it just me, or did the withdraw option in GUIminer just got grayed out for deepbit?
On a kind of related not, does anyone have any suggestions to why automatic payment
have never worked for me?
I used to just click withdraw, but now the button is constantly grayed out.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
Is it just me, or did the withdraw option in GUIminer just got grayed out for deepbit?
On a kind of related not, does anyone have any suggestions to why automatic payment
have never worked for me?
I used to just click withdraw, but now the button is constantly grayed out.
Auto payment is triggered if your last payout was more than 24 hours ago.
Instant payout button is available if you had less than two payouts in the last 24 hours, your balance is at least 0.01 BTC and you have set your bitcoin address.
I'll increase allowed payouts number in a couple of days.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
Are there any more statistics that you plan on exposing via the API?
What info do you want to fetch ? Suggestions are welcome.
Slush's pool has "estimated reward" - it calculates your proportional reward during a round by dividing your shares by the total shares.
I'm not sure it would work with the delay here.
Your estimated reward in DeepBit depends only on your speed and the combined pool hashrate, both of those stats are available.
It won't jump up & down because i'm not using score-based system, that's why i'm not showing "estimated reward". I can add it, but it will be the same for all rounds if your speed is constant.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: slush on April 13, 2011, 01:33:49 PM
It won't jump up & down because i'm not using score-based system, that's why i'm not showing "estimated reward".

Excuse me, but jumps in estimated reward are not related to score system. It's changing also in share based system for miners with slow submit rate, because in formula user_shares / total_shares * 50, 'total shares' is rising constantly, but 'user shares' is changing only time to time.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 02:12:19 PM
It won't jump up & down because i'm not using score-based system, that's why i'm not showing "estimated reward".

Excuse me, but jumps in estimated reward are not related to score system. It's changing also in share based system for miners with slow submit rate, because in formula user_shares / total_shares * 50, 'total shares' is rising constantly, but 'user shares' is changing only time to time.
Sorry, that wasn't some kind of offence to your system.
In my experience standart deviation of estimated reward in score-based pool was higher than in share-based. I know that it averages out and the reward will be the same over time.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 13, 2011, 02:33:25 PM
I know there is no min or max hashrate requirements, but if its higher you get much higher rewards?
My rewards ranges from 0.08137296 to 0.09869956 on ~230Mhash/s (1x5850 no OC) and my miner is 24/7 online.

I don't remember where i read in these forums but most of peoples get usually 1.x rewards or more on higher Mhash/s, am i just unlucky, or is my hashrate too low as some sig is using 5870(what is not really that much faster than 5850) and hashrate ~900Mhash/s?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 13, 2011, 02:33:53 PM
the last 24 hours were epic for deepbit!
40+ blocks and from 12BTC/day i jumped to 20 with the same MHash !!!!


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
I don't remember where i read in these forums but most of peoples get usually 1.x rewards or more on higher Mhash/s, am i just unlucky, or is my hashrate too low as some sig is using 5870(what is not really that much faster than 5850) and hashrate ~900Mhash/s?
No, your rewards are proportional to your hashrate. If you get twice more megahashes, your reward will double.

the last 24 hours were epic for deepbit!
40+ blocks and from 12BTC/day i jumped to 20 with the same MHash !!!!
I'm doing my best :)


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 13, 2011, 02:48:21 PM
Ah, thanks. Now i understood that :)





Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 13, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
Wow. Im Unluckly Lucky.
That fucking sucks

Votes guys:
should i stay in the pool?
Or try for a solo block then come back once i've grabbed one


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: xenon481 on April 13, 2011, 02:58:46 PM
Wow. Im Unluckly Lucky.
That fucking sucks

Votes guys:
should i stay in the pool?
Or try for a solo block then come back once i've grabbed one

Past results are not an indicator of future success.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 13, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
Yeah i know.......
Probability Time
Average 15 days, 9 hours, 0 minutes
50% 10 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes
95% 46 days, 1 hour, 27 minutes

So should i stay in the pool? it seems Alot less profitable BUT: this is not a discussion of weather or not im gonna run off to solo mining.
I am asking for Votes on:
Try for first block and come back
Or
Stay because your just gonna missout on shares when you leave


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 05:07:13 PM
I knew that someone will be not happy to see block stats :)
But there is ALWAYS someone who found more blocks than average and someone who found less. That's the way pools work - by distributing luck evenly.

So should i stay in the pool? it seems Alot less profitable BUT: this is not a discussion of weather or not im gonna run off to solo mining.
That was a lucky run, I had same experience when trying other pools. It doesn't means that you will have same luck tomorrow or in a next week or in a next hour. I'll recommend staying.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 13, 2011, 05:46:52 PM
Number of blocks found by you: 8
cool 8)

If that luck has been on solo i could have 400BTC :o but i seriously doubt that my luck is not enough on solo. I mean it would be cool to have over 400BTC instead of 13.71BTC
but i'm not complaining :)


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 13, 2011, 06:06:12 PM
well, in the long run the found blocks will be equal to your BTCs ;)
just be patience. i have tried the solo run, but at this difficulty i prefer pooling ;)
Tycho, the "bold" total shares in the statistics means that i have found a block?
then it is 2 for today :D


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on April 13, 2011, 06:40:06 PM
I wasn't sure but now I am sure.
Something isn't going right. (Or there's something I don't understand ^^)
Well, about 3 hours ago I had about 0.05 BTC.
Now I have about 0.19 BTC.

On the side stands:
13 Apr 2011 19:30:41
46 / 62470
81.616 MH/s
+ 0.03571314 BTC
13 Apr 2011 18:50:39
55 / 183282
32.889 MH/s
+ 0.01455408 BTC

So it had to be about 0.09 or 0.10 BTC and not 0.19 BTC.
I'm only working with ~75 MHash/s.

As I said, maybe I misunderstanding something.
Greetings


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 06:42:23 PM
well, in the long run the found blocks will be equal to your BTCs ;)
just be patience. i have tried the solo run, but at this difficulty i prefer pooling ;)
Tycho, the "bold" total shares in the statistics means that i have found a block?
then it is 2 for today :D
Yes, should be so. Somehow many people notice their blocks today...

So it had to be about 0.09 or 0.10 BTC and not 0.19 BTC.
I'm only working with ~75 MHash/s.
You have only two blocks in the history column ?
Do you remember that your balance may be delayed up to one hour ?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 13, 2011, 06:47:28 PM
the last 24 hours were epic for deepbit!
40+ blocks and from 12BTC/day i jumped to 20 with the same MHash !!!!

That cleared my doubt, why i got 4+ when i usually get 3+ btc/day


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on April 13, 2011, 06:49:16 PM
My complete history:
Code:
13 Apr 2011 19:30:41
46 / 62470
81.616 MH/s
+ 0.03571314 BTC
13 Apr 2011 18:50:39
55 / 183282
32.889 MH/s
+ 0.01455408 BTC
13 Apr 2011 16:51:55
2983
13 Apr 2011 16:49:50
28898
13 Apr 2011 16:30:39
40378
13 Apr 2011 16:04:01
21495
13 Apr 2011 15:49:19
111975
= 0.87 BTC in last 24h


I started to mine at about 16:45 deepbit-time (or german time, pretty same)
First I wasn't sure, my BTC were slowly going higher, but now I'm curious.
Greetz


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 06:52:58 PM
I started to mine at about 16:45 deepbit-time (or german time, pretty same)
First I wasn't sure, my BTC were slowly going higher, but now I'm curious.
Your balance may be updated before history column, so there is a chance that you got reward, but don't see the corresponding block yet.

Also you can set your timezone in advanced settings.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on April 13, 2011, 06:56:59 PM
It's possible, but I think I could'nt get about 0.10 BTC in the last 2 hours with only 75MHashes/s.
I'll watch it the next few hours.

Timezone, forgot... I have set it to GMT +2 (german summertime; I hate the summertime :D)
Greetz


edit:Looks like you were right. The History just updated:
Code:
13 Apr 2011 20:17:55
26 / 27658
101.336 MH/s
+ 0.04559260 BTC
13 Apr 2011 19:59:42
29 / 44975
71.000 MH/s
+ 0.03127293 BTC
13 Apr 2011 19:30:41
46 / 62470
81.616 MH/s
+ 0.03571314 BTC
13 Apr 2011 18:50:39
55 / 183282
32.889 MH/s
+ 0.01455408 BTC
13 Apr 2011 16:51:55
2983
13 Apr 2011 16:49:50
28898
13 Apr 2011 16:30:39
40378
= 0.91 BTC in last 24h


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 13, 2011, 07:36:51 PM
UPDATE:
  • Now you can set your timezone, all dates will be shown with your local time.
  • Login box is now hidden when you are logged in.

Can u set time zone in with decimal point also?
I am from India, & i have to choose 5 or 6, but mine is 5.3 actually.
Can u add that?
Thanks.

[Tycho] Can you please add half hour time zone also?
I am from India & it confuses me a lot, coz i have the option to choose only +5 or +6
If i select +5, i have to add 30 minutes & +6, i have to minus 30 minutes & most times i did reverse.
I don't have superman powers to shift India country to +5 or +6 time zone, & also no place to put India, coz below will be some other country.
Please at least add 5:30, if you can't add all 30 minutes.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
[Tycho] Can you please add half hour time zone also?
I am from India & it confuses me a lot, coz i have the option to choose only +5 or +6
I don't have superman powers to shift India country to +5 or +6 time zone, & also no place to put India, coz below will be some other country.
Please at least add 5:30, if you can't add all 30 minutes.
+5.5 added to the list.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: randomproof on April 13, 2011, 07:50:50 PM
I've seen a few fourm post about transaction fees vs free transaction and I was wondering if your server is running using the current standard rules about fees or if you have modified it to accept certain transactions over others?

(I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, just curious.)


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 13, 2011, 07:51:19 PM
[Tycho] Can you please add half hour time zone also?
I am from India & it confuses me a lot, coz i have the option to choose only +5 or +6
I don't have superman powers to shift India country to +5 or +6 time zone, & also no place to put India, coz below will be some other country.
Please at least add 5:30, if you can't add all 30 minutes.
+5.5 added to the list.

Thanks............


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 13, 2011, 07:57:29 PM
I've seen a few fourm post about transaction fees vs free transaction and I was wondering if your server is running using the current standard rules about fees or if you have modified it to accept certain transactions over others?
I have already posted about this. My pool is including free transactions in mined blocks and usually i'm including even more free transactions than default configuration does.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: echto on April 13, 2011, 10:02:48 PM
So it had to be about 0.09 or 0.10 BTC and not 0.19 BTC.
I'm only working with ~75 MHash/s.
As I said, maybe I misunderstanding something.
Greetings

ugh... I'm only getting ~ 20MHash/s.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on April 13, 2011, 11:41:08 PM
Yeah, I'm a little proud of my overclocked AMD HD4850, but it's not comparable with those HD5800 or even HD6800 cards which get about 300MHash/s.
My little Notebook with a HD4570 (not overclocked) can get about ~8,5MHash/s (-v -w 64 or -v -w32; don't remember yet).

I'm thinking of getting a better card, because the power consumption of my HD4850 isn't very proportional to the BTC I'm getting (some would say, it's a waste of real money).
Greetz


edit: That's really weird.
First of all, GMT +2.
The most blocks are found at night for me.
From about 19 to next morning to about 6 O'Clock. (Thats nearly my mining time)
In days (sun up in the sky by my time) there's nearly no blocks founded.
Are they getting some rewards or won't the get anything at all?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: n4l3hp on April 14, 2011, 12:55:03 AM
Yeah, I'm a little proud of my overclocked AMD HD4850, but it's not comparable with those HD5800 or even HD6800 cards which get about 300MHash/s.
My little Notebook with a HD4570 (not overclocked) can get about ~8,5MHash/s (-v -w 64 or -v -w32; don't remember yet).

I'm thinking of getting a better card, because the power consumption of my HD4850 isn't very proportional to the BTC I'm getting (some would say, it's a waste of real money).
Greetz

I use a 4850 (680 core) and 5670 (995 core). The 4850 is about 83 mh/s while the 5670 is 92 mh/s. The 4850 consumes 40+ watts more than the 5670.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on April 14, 2011, 01:40:56 AM
Yes, that could be, since I'm using Aero in Win7 and have (mostly) several windows open and 2 displays connected.
My HD4850 (700 core) is doing mostly between 74-75mh/s, but as you show it consumes alot more watts than a newer GPU.
I've also some extra flags:
-w128 (give a small boost)
-f60 (against lags, display frequenzy is 60Hz, using VSync, so it's best; more would be decreasing the mh/s rate too much)
Greetz


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bitjet on April 14, 2011, 03:28:44 AM
the last 24 hours were epic for deepbit!
40+ blocks and from 12BTC/day i jumped to 20 with the same MHash !!!!


Yeah no kidding, today was pretty nice.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 14, 2011, 04:12:10 AM
This has to happen when I am trying out slush's pool to compare.... The current hash average for this difficulty is LOWER than that of last one >.>


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bitjet on April 14, 2011, 04:48:14 AM
This has to happen when I am trying out slush's pool to compare.... The current hash average for this difficulty is LOWER than that of last one >.>

Hows it going in slush's pool? Same averages?


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 14, 2011, 10:11:23 AM
Very strange.
For many 13 is unlucky number, its even devil's number or number makes negative things.

But on 13th apr 2011, yesterday, many got more bitcoins than they get normally
& also yesterday again 1BTC=1USD (it is called parity? that 1:1) reached after 10 feb 2011.

Unlucky becomes lucky???


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: slush on April 14, 2011, 10:51:43 AM
Looks like your pool forgot switch to higher difficulty ;).


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 14, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
Looks like your pool forgot switch to higher difficulty ;).

btc/share went down as soon as the difficulty changed, so I'll say that's not the case.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 14, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
Looks like your pool forgot switch to higher difficulty ;).
btc/share went down as soon as the difficulty changed, so I'll say that's not the case.
"BTC per share" is only for PPS mode.


Title: Re: [~100 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 14, 2011, 02:28:24 PM
Looks like your pool forgot switch to higher difficulty ;).
btc/share went down as soon as the difficulty changed, so I'll say that's not the case.
"BTC per share" is only for PPS mode.
yeah I know, but that obviously means your pool took the new difficulty in account, doesn't it?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Grinder on April 14, 2011, 02:30:06 PM
It should be pretty obvious that it was a joke, even if slush hadn't included the smiley.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 14, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
It should be pretty obvious that it was a joke, even if slush hadn't included the smiley.
ah well, now that I look back at it that makes sense :D sorry about that.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: chungenhung on April 14, 2011, 05:37:31 PM
regardign paypal mining.
How do I get to the page to enter my paypal email?
I know the direct link is http://deepbit.net/settings but I want to know how to get to it using the menu.

Also, it says to use "--currency=PPUSD", do I just add that to the end regardless of the type of miners? for example, I am using poclbm for gpu.
So I would run "poclbm.exe --currenty=PPUSD"?

What do I put for "Your wallet for receiving rewards"?

Thanks


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 14, 2011, 05:44:36 PM
regardign paypal mining.
How do I get to the page to enter my paypal email?
I know the direct link is http://deepbit.net/settings but I want to know how to get to it using the menu.
"Advanced..." button on your account page.

Also, it says to use "--currency=PPUSD", do I just add that to the end regardless of the type of miners? for example, I am using poclbm for gpu.
So I would run "poclbm.exe --currenty=PPUSD"?
Paypal mining for software miners was an 1st april joke.

What do I put for "Your wallet for receiving rewards"?
Your bitcoin address for receiving rewards.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 14, 2011, 06:03:46 PM
well you should write down that it was a joke. more and more people will be confused  ;D


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: chungenhung on April 14, 2011, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: [Tycho
Paypal mining for software miners was an 1st april joke.
if that's a joke, then why is the paypal email field still there under advanced settings?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 14, 2011, 06:13:38 PM
Quote from: [Tycho
Paypal mining for software miners was an 1st april joke.
if that's a joke, then why is the paypal email field still there under advanced settings?
PayPal payouts may be available soon.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Shienarier on April 14, 2011, 06:13:48 PM
well you should write down that it was a joke. more and more people will be confused  ;D
I second. This was bound to happen.
I think you should remove that joke now, since people are only on guard for these things on the actual day.
The way it is now you are kind of just cluttering the internet with misinformation.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: chungenhung on April 14, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: [Tycho
What do I put for "Your wallet for receiving rewards"?
Your bitcoin address for receiving rewards.
And what is my bitcoin address?? Where do I get it? How do I know I will be able to spend it later on?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 14, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
[Tycho]
Please check "Open DaCoinMinster's Chatroom" in your my account page in slush pool.

You can add it to your site deepbit.net which will give instant notification of problem from members.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 14, 2011, 07:18:49 PM
[Tycho]
Please check "Open DaCoinMinster's Chatroom" in your my account page
Don't see it there. May be it's a plugin in your browser.
What notifications do you mean ? From users to me ?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 14, 2011, 07:30:12 PM
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/98553, here is the dacoinminister script. Install the script & you will see it in my account page
Yes from users to u.
I am getting RPC, i am not server down error....can be chatted in site itself, instead of posting here in forum.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 14, 2011, 08:11:11 PM
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/98553, here is the dacoinminister script. Install the script & you will see it in my account page
Yes from users to u.
I am getting RPC, i am not server down error....can be chatted in site itself, instead of posting here in forum.
You can join #bitcoin-deepbit channel on irc.freenode.net if you have an IRC client.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 14, 2011, 08:22:46 PM
Its not for me, its for newbies, & for them even IRC will be new.
coz many are windows people. don't know basics.
As a pool owner, its up to you to decide. i thought it may help.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 14, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
Its not for me, its for newbies, & for them even IRC will be new.
coz many are windows people. don't know basics.
As a pool owner, its up to you to decide. i thought it may help.
IRC is fine for windows.
I understand your point, but then i'll have to watch that chat constantly ? Besides the forum, PM and IRC :)


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 14, 2011, 10:03:56 PM
Its not for me, its for newbies, & for them even IRC will be new.
coz many are windows people. don't know basics.
As a pool owner, its up to you to decide. i thought it may help.
IRC is fine for windows.
I understand your point, but then i'll have to watch that chat constantly ? Besides the forum, PM and IRC :)
ask dacoinminister to connect it to irc. the damn thing is i dont know programming. he does, even some bitcoins will get u effective chat.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 15, 2011, 07:58:32 AM
Because I'm indecisive:

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i412/Lareyu/mining.png

PPS or Prop.?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 15, 2011, 08:05:07 AM

proportianal


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 15, 2011, 10:23:46 AM
Because I'm indecisive:
PPS or Prop.?
Try using poclbm miner.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Raulo on April 15, 2011, 11:03:27 AM
[Tycho],

Is there a way to download a longer history of blocks found by the pool?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 15, 2011, 11:27:23 AM
[Tycho], Is there a way to download a longer history of blocks found by the pool?
I'll add CSV export soon.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JWU42 on April 15, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
I had been keeping a history for a few weeks then got tired of updating it manually.  CSV export will be nice!


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 15, 2011, 06:05:52 PM
15.04.2011 16:31:02   0h 00m    16   None
=O Wish i got one in then = /


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 15, 2011, 07:00:02 PM
3.09375* BTC per share, dang, I wish I had one too...

Edit: (Quick-math fail the first time.)


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 15, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
Because I'm indecisive:
PPS or Prop.?
Try using poclbm miner.

I'm actually using bitcoinpool's modded poclbm, it shows detailed statistics and searches the entire getwork for the possibility of extra answers.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 15, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
Because I'm indecisive:
PPS or Prop.?
Try using poclbm miner.
I'm actually using bitcoinpool's modded poclbm, it shows detailed statistics and searches the entire getwork for the possibility of extra answers.
I see many stales on your screenshot - something may be wrong, that's why i'm talking about trying poclbm. You can PM me your login name so i'll check the log for possible cause of those stales.

Searching the entire nonce space ("getwork") is not needed, the probability of finding a share is the same anyway.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Reto on April 15, 2011, 10:21:17 PM
Okay, PM sent. The amount of stales did get me wondering.

EDIT: Actually, you're right about not needing to check the entire nonce space. It's only for optimization and lessening the server load on smaller pools.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 16, 2011, 04:12:04 AM
a proposal to make deepbit just a little more interesting :)
a fee to the one that finds a block of 5% or 10% and the rest of the block to go to the other co-miners?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 16, 2011, 06:14:25 AM
a proposal to make deepbit just a little more interesting :)
a fee to the one that finds a block of 5% or 10% and the rest of the block to go to the other co-miners?

In the long run this doesn't really matter, it would only increase the deviation, and this is exactly why we mine in a pool, to keep it down.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 16, 2011, 11:39:08 AM
a proposal to make deepbit just a little more interesting :)
a fee to the one that finds a block of 5% or 10% and the rest of the block to go to the other co-miners?

Or the block finding miner gets the transactions fees included in the block ... not much but just something to make it interesting without taking away from the "low variance" pay-out ...?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: number5800 on April 17, 2011, 05:18:51 AM
Is there a reason that my stale share rate is so much lower than everyone else's I've seen in this thread?

I have 4782 shares and only 0.04% of them are bad, according to the worker menu. Somewhere I read someone said that it was unrealistic to go below 0.3%. Is that just outdated information?


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 17, 2011, 07:19:41 AM
From my understanding, a stale share is one that has already been solved, or whose calculation is no longer needed. Invalid shares will also show up in that percentage, those being indicative of possible stability issues. Having such a low percentage of stale shares may very well be due to very low latency to the server. Services like Verizon's FiOS have fantastically low latencies.

I know a little bit about the effects of latency because I run four python GPU miners on one Satellite connection, and more often than not, whenever there is a new block, there is at least on stale share per miner. My roundtrip latency to any given server is anywhere between 1000-2000ms, and at 220MH/s on my fastest machine, that can translate to quite a few wasted shares.


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 17, 2011, 07:41:53 AM
in the right column of my account, is it possible to have the whole 24h transactions and not the last 7 of them?
9 blocks in 3 weeks! not bad :p


Title: Re: [~120 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Ulysses on April 18, 2011, 05:27:43 AM
I have 4782 shares and only 0.04% of them are bad, according to the worker menu. Somewhere I read someone said that it was unrealistic to go below 0.3%. Is that just outdated information?

Probably you should wait a little more, to get a more correct statistic. BTW, what client do you use?



Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 18, 2011, 06:44:42 AM
I saw 10999 shares in my account & after a minute it went back to 10414. 500+ shares vanished?
How it can be?
I mined until 9 am & put system in sleep mode, after power back , i woke up system & it started mining.
I refreshed my account page & saw 10999 shares, then again refresh after a minute & saw 10414 shares.
How can 500+ shares can vanish in 1 minute?
Is my shares got steal by some one?


Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 18, 2011, 07:36:23 AM
I have never seen the pool going so fast, 165GH/s oO what happened a few hours ago it was at 130GH/s..

Great job everyone =D


Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 18, 2011, 07:36:40 AM
I don't know if Tycho would have any additional input to this, but it just sounds like a simple server error to me. No one would be able to steal any shares already submitted, the only way you would be getting ripped off would be if your account was compromised and your wallet address for receiving rewards was changed. Even at that, your shares would still be counted towards your account. As long as your payouts are staying consistent, I wouldn't worry about any shenanigans going on.

EDIT: Holy crap! Where did the extra 30Gh/s come from all of a sudden? 168Gh/s?! This pool is now as fast as Slush's, at least for the moment. Indeed, good job everyone! :)

EDIT 2: It seems a large cluster has been DDoS-ing the pools recently. It would explain the instantaneous 30Gh/s increase. However, unlike the other guys, pool connectivity has remained and the website seems to be holding up just fine too, so props goes to Tycho as always for having such a bullet-proof mining pool.  ;)


Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 18, 2011, 08:12:31 AM
I saw 10999 shares in my account & after a minute it went back to 10414. 500+ shares vanished?
How it can be?
I mined until 9 am & put system in sleep mode, after power back , i woke up system & it started mining.
I refreshed my account page & saw 10999 shares, then again refresh after a minute & saw 10414 shares.
How can 500+ shares can vanish in 1 minute?
Is my shares got steal by some one?
The only way to decrease shares counter is to press "reset" button.
Are you really sure that it was more than 10414 ?

Currently i'm checking my log files to see if there is a bug, will post an update after this.


Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 18, 2011, 08:18:27 AM
Hey Tycho, under "Statistics," what happened to the percentage we're doing better or worse than the current expected difficulty? I just refreshed the page and it went missing. I always like to look at it and gauge how our luck is doing.


Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 18, 2011, 08:20:05 AM
Hey Tycho, under "Statistics," what happened to the percentage we're doing better or worse than the current expected difficulty? I just refreshed the page and it went missing. I always like to look at it and gauge how our luck is doing.
The difficulty just changed at this moment, so we have to find a couple of blocks to show the result.


Title: Re: [~130 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 18, 2011, 08:21:46 AM
Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the super-quick reply too! :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 18, 2011, 09:34:04 AM
I saw 10999 shares in my account & after a minute it went back to 10414. 500+ shares vanished?
How it can be?
I mined until 9 am & put system in sleep mode, after power back , i woke up system & it started mining.
I refreshed my account page & saw 10999 shares, then again refresh after a minute & saw 10414 shares.
How can 500+ shares can vanish in 1 minute?
Is my shares got steal by some one?
The only way to decrease shares counter is to press "reset" button.
Are you really sure that it was more than 10414 ?

Currently i'm checking my log files to see if there is a bug, will post an update after this.
I am sure, coz i saw 999, 3 -999's if it was 9999, then it is impossible to jump to 10414 after i woke up system from sleep.
~500 shares cant be added to my account with out i mined.
I refresh my account page every 1 minute with script. so that i always be sure that my shares added & also to check my balance.....


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 18, 2011, 09:49:02 AM
The only way to decrease shares counter is to press "reset" button.
Are you really sure that it was more than 10414 ?
Currently i'm checking my log files to see if there is a bug, will post an update after this.
I am sure, coz i saw 999, 3 -999's if it was 9999, then it is impossible to jump to 10414 after i woke up system from sleep.
~500 shares cant be added to my account with out i mined.
I refresh my account page every 1 minute with script. so that i always be sure that my shares added & also to check my balance.....
I just chcked my log files.
It looks like you loaded stats page at 6:40 and posted in this thread at 6:44, then you are reloading the page once per minute since 6:49.
As of 9:28 UTC you had submitted a total of 10818 postworks since last reset, including all stales and invalids, so the counter is correct at this time, no shares were lost.

If you saw 10999, then there is some bug in my statistics page that I have to find. Working on this.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: kosovito on April 18, 2011, 12:45:32 PM
Is "Paypal Mining" working??


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 18, 2011, 12:48:03 PM
Is "Paypal Mining" working??
It was a 1st april joke.
Paypal payouts may be implemented in a few days.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 18, 2011, 02:23:06 PM
So the new expected difficulty seems to be 92k, hopefully we get our luck meter back soon?  ???


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Herodes on April 18, 2011, 02:44:45 PM
Is anyone connected to the deepbit.net pool with a dual 5970 rig, and if so, what is the average khash/s you get? Also it would be interesting to know wheter you run linux or windows, and which software you use. If you don't feel like posting the numbers in this thread, please pm me. But I am sure others would be interested in this as well.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 18, 2011, 03:42:24 PM
So the new expected difficulty seems to be 92k, hopefully we get our luck meter back soon?  ???
It's enabled now.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 18, 2011, 03:43:54 PM
Is anyone connected to the deepbit.net pool with a dual 5970 rig, and if so, what is the average khash/s you get? Also it would be interesting to know wheter you run linux or windows, and which software you use. If you don't feel like posting the numbers in this thread, please pm me. But I am sure others would be interested in this as well.
You should get ~1040-1170 MH/s, depending on your mining software and GPU clock.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 18, 2011, 04:16:15 PM
The only way to decrease shares counter is to press "reset" button.
Are you really sure that it was more than 10414 ?
Currently i'm checking my log files to see if there is a bug, will post an update after this.
I am sure, coz i saw 999, 3 -999's if it was 9999, then it is impossible to jump to 10414 after i woke up system from sleep.
~500 shares cant be added to my account with out i mined.
I refresh my account page every 1 minute with script. so that i always be sure that my shares added & also to check my balance.....
I just chcked my log files.
It looks like you loaded stats page at 6:40 and posted in this thread at 6:44, then you are reloading the page once per minute since 6:49.
As of 9:28 UTC you had submitted a total of 10818 postworks since last reset, including all stales and invalids, so the counter is correct at this time, no shares were lost.

If you saw 10999, then there is some bug in my statistics page that I have to find. Working on this.

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k563/dishwara/deep.jpg

If this matches your log, then the fault is in statistics page.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Herodes on April 18, 2011, 10:02:12 PM
Is anyone connected to the deepbit.net pool with a dual 5970 rig, and if so, what is the average khash/s you get? Also it would be interesting to know wheter you run linux or windows, and which software you use. If you don't feel like posting the numbers in this thread, please pm me. But I am sure others would be interested in this as well.
You should get ~1040-1170 MH/s, depending on your mining software and GPU clock.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 18, 2011, 10:02:26 PM
[Tycho]

good job on keeping deepbit.net firing, seems like you are the biggest for now ... just wondering if deepbit has guards against the ddos attack that has befallen slushes pool yesterday?

ciao,

moa


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 19, 2011, 01:56:16 AM
How exactly are the doing the DDoS attack, i understand the nature, and i know theres different ways, but what particular aspect are they attacking?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 19, 2011, 02:01:54 AM
How exactly are the doing the DDoS attack, i understand the nature, and i know theres different ways, but what particular aspect are they attacking?
I don't have all the info. May be someone requests a lot of web pages, increasing load on database engine.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 19, 2011, 05:06:59 AM
first time i see this!!
19.04.2011 06:37:23   1h 59m    271975   0.35076570
19.04.2011 04:37:33   0h 04m    8840   None
19.04.2011 04:33:31   0h 20m    46021   None
19.04.2011 04:13:07   0h 01m    2471   None
19.04.2011 04:11:57   0h 07m    17774   None
19.04.2011 04:04:07   1h 41m    232794   0.21063043
19.04.2011 02:23:00   2h 14m    310904   0.45675836
19.04.2011 00:08:07   1h 20m    180335   0.46204564

for an unknown reason my system seems to low its hashrate to the half or even at zero!!!!

but the cards are still working at their full capacity!
very very strange!!!!


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 19, 2011, 05:26:38 AM
first time i see this!!
19.04.2011 06:37:23   1h 59m    271975   0.35076570
19.04.2011 04:37:33   0h 04m    8840   None
19.04.2011 04:33:31   0h 20m    46021   None
19.04.2011 04:13:07   0h 01m    2471   None
19.04.2011 04:11:57   0h 07m    17774   None
19.04.2011 04:04:07   1h 41m    232794   0.21063043
19.04.2011 02:23:00   2h 14m    310904   0.45675836
19.04.2011 00:08:07   1h 20m    180335   0.46204564

for an unknown reason my system seems to low its hashrate to the half or even at zero!!!!

but the cards are still working at their full capacity!
very very strange!!!!

It basically means deepbit.net has not received shares from you.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: will on April 19, 2011, 11:15:04 AM
If any of you mine on a windows machine which you use for web browsing and gaming like I do you might find the following useful:

Don't watch your (long) videos online- for some reason my hasrate drops by ~50% when a (e.g. youtube) video is open in Firefox (doesn't matter if it's playing or not). This is probably due to Flash taking up one of the GPUs for itself (running an ATI 5770 Sapphire).

Use this Firefox extension : http://www.downloadhelper.net/ to download the video and watch it in your favourite player ( I use VLC http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) - this drops the hashrate by as little as ~2-3% instead.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Tyran on April 19, 2011, 01:53:56 PM
Don't watch your (long) videos online- for some reason my hasrate drops by ~50% when a (e.g. youtube) video is open in Firefox (doesn't matter if it's playing or not). This is probably due to Flash taking up one of the GPUs for itself (running an ATI 5770 Sapphire).
This is caused by the card's hardware decoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder) which is designed to run at 400MHz. Your BIOS will have a seperate PowerPlay state for this, which is different from the 3 states controlled by ATI Overdrive. Apparently flashing a BIOS with edited UVD state to force a higher clock rate just causes it to crash, so the best solution is to simply not use it.
For YouTube, right click the video, go to Settings and uncheck Enable Hardware Acceleration.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 19, 2011, 02:05:13 PM
So, i just bought a ATI HD 6970, I had a Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT...Hash rate from 20MH/s > 320 MH/s

But, i have an issue, my screen keeps going black and the fan returns to a slow speed when ever i do ANYTHING but hash..Any ideas?

Edit: It's hashed for about 10 hours straight now without crashing, thats with just HW Monitor and guiminer up, and Afterburner minimized(if its up my comp crashes).  I am also afraid to run steam right now, just an idea, but it'd probably crash.



Don't watch your (long) videos online- for some reason my hasrate drops by ~50% when a (e.g. youtube) video is open in Firefox (doesn't matter if it's playing or not). This is probably due to Flash taking up one of the GPUs for itself (running an ATI 5770 Sapphire).
This is caused by the card's hardware decoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder) which is designed to run at 400MHz. Your BIOS will have a seperate PowerPlay state for this, which is different from the 3 states controlled by ATI Overdrive. Apparently flashing a BIOS with edited UVD state to force a higher clock rate just causes it to crash, so the best solution is to simply not use it.
For YouTube, right click the video, go to Settings and uncheck Enable Hardware Acceleration.
That is surprisingly helpful, ty for that oO

How exactly are the doing the DDoS attack, i understand the nature, and i know theres different ways, but what particular aspect are they attacking?
I don't have all the info. May be someone requests a lot of web pages, increasing load on database engine.

bitcoinpool.com is stating "Keep an eye on your account while we deal with this.", so they could be trying to break passwords, or that may just be a cautionary statement


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: OUTSIDE on April 19, 2011, 02:44:58 PM
Yeah! I have now a Mining Rig!

1 - 2x5850 @ 900 (300+300=600MH/s) (mining rig -> 24/7) (C2D E6600 2.4 @ 3.2GHz)
2 - 1x6970 @ 1000 (330MH/s) (gaming rig ~ 13h per day) (i7 2600K 3.4 @ 5GHz)
3 - 1x5570 @ stock (60MH/s) (working rig ~ 24/7) (AMD 64 X2 6000+ @ 3GHz)
4 - 1x5450 @ stock (12MH/s) (HTPC rig ~ 24/7) (P4 2.8 @ 3GHz)

TOTAL ~ 1GH/s

All with "poclbm-gui pre"

I am OutsiMiner!

ByE!


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 19, 2011, 02:48:28 PM
How exactly are the doing the DDoS attack, i understand the nature, and i know theres different ways, but what particular aspect are they attacking?
I don't have all the info. May be someone requests a lot of web pages, increasing load on database engine.
bitcoinpool.com is stating "Keep an eye on your account while we deal with this.", so they could be trying to break passwords, or that may just be a cautionary statement
DoS/DDoS and bruteforce password cracking are completely different things.
Some pools show all their login names, so that may be a reason of such attack.

I'm monitoring the pool health/stats and will notice something like that.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 19, 2011, 02:50:36 PM
Yeah! I have now a Mining Rig!
TOTAL ~ 1GH/s
Thanks for your participation :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 19, 2011, 03:34:17 PM
How exactly are the doing the DDoS attack, i understand the nature, and i know theres different ways, but what particular aspect are they attacking?
I don't have all the info. May be someone requests a lot of web pages, increasing load on database engine.
bitcoinpool.com is stating "Keep an eye on your account while we deal with this.", so they could be trying to break passwords, or that may just be a cautionary statement
DoS/DDoS and bruteforce password cracking are completely different things.
Some pools show all their login names, so that may be a reason of such attack.

I'm monitoring the pool health/stats and will notice something like that.

Thanks, hope it doesn't happen though


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: OUTSIDE on April 19, 2011, 07:33:34 PM
Yeah! I have now a Mining Rig!
TOTAL ~ 1GH/s
Thanks for your participation :)
[/quote

You're welcome!

ByE!


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 19, 2011, 09:18:18 PM
Tycho, I love you. You are definitly worth your tax.
Thankyou for all of your continuous improovments that never cease to appear as a neccessity.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 19, 2011, 11:19:39 PM
Ok, I just started mining with deepbit, and this is my first shot at bitcoin mining.  I'm using my 6990 on an old AMD Athlon 64x2 system (4200+, specifically).  I'm getting ~220 per GPU core.  That seems low for a 6990, and I wonder if the Athlon CPU is holding my GPU back.  Any advice?  I'm running on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 with the latest Catalyst drivers and the latest AMD SDK (2.4, I think).

In any event, any thoughts on whether I should be using Pay-per-Share or Proportional with a single 6990?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 19, 2011, 11:55:41 PM
Ok, I just started mining with deepbit, and this is my first shot at bitcoin mining.  I'm using my 6990 on an old AMD Athlon 64x2 system (4200+, specifically).  I'm getting ~220 per GPU core.  That seems low for a 6990, and I wonder if the Athlon CPU is holding my GPU back.  Any advice?  I'm running on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 with the latest Catalyst drivers and the latest AMD SDK (2.4, I think).
In any event, any thoughts on whether I should be using Pay-per-Share or Proportional with a single 6990?
No, your CPU shouldn't affect mining speed in any way.

What miner do you use ? You can also check threads on the 6990 mining in this forum - may be there is some solution.

Many users ask me about PPS/Proportional, but this depends on the current luck. Sometimes the PPS may give you more (when pool is unlucky) and sometimes less.
If you are going to mine 24/7 then overall Proportional may give you more because proportional fee is 3% instead of 10% in PPS (the price for share is 45/difficulty). But it's not guaranted that average shares per block number will be equal to difficulty - it may be more or less than that.
The main use case for PPS is when you want to have steady payout rate, not depending on pool luck at all (you will receive your reward even if there are no blocks found for a long time).


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 20, 2011, 07:27:27 PM
Ok, I just started mining with deepbit, and this is my first shot at bitcoin mining.  I'm using my 6990 on an old AMD Athlon 64x2 system (4200+, specifically).  I'm getting ~220 per GPU core.  That seems low for a 6990, and I wonder if the Athlon CPU is holding my GPU back.  Any advice?  I'm running on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 with the latest Catalyst drivers and the latest AMD SDK (2.4, I think).
In any event, any thoughts on whether I should be using Pay-per-Share or Proportional with a single 6990?
No, your CPU shouldn't affect mining speed in any way.

What miner do you use ? You can also check threads on the 6990 mining in this forum - may be there is some solution.

Many users ask me about PPS/Proportional, but this depends on the current luck. Sometimes the PPS may give you more (when pool is unlucky) and sometimes less.
If you are going to mine 24/7 then overall Proportional may give you more because proportional fee is 3% instead of 10% in PPS (the price for share is 45/difficulty). But it's not guaranted that average shares per block number will be equal to difficulty - it may be more or less than that.
The main use case for PPS is when you want to have steady payout rate, not depending on pool luck at all (you will receive your reward even if there are no blocks found for a long time).

I'm using poclbm-gui.  I added "-v -w128 -f0" to the flags section of poclbm-gui and that increased my rate by quite a bit. 

Also, after looking at my first nearly 24 hour period it looks like I'll be much better off using PPS with my single 6990.  For the past 22 hours I've used proportional and I've earned 2.78205276 BTC.  That seems pretty bad.  If I had used PPS, then right now I'd have about ~4 BTC [  (8300 shares) x (0.00048 BTC/share) = ~4 BTC].


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: EPiSKiNG on April 20, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
Ok, I just started mining with deepbit, and this is my first shot at bitcoin mining.  I'm using my 6990 on an old AMD Athlon 64x2 system (4200+, specifically).  I'm getting ~220 per GPU core.  That seems low for a 6990, and I wonder if the Athlon CPU is holding my GPU back.  Any advice?  I'm running on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 with the latest Catalyst drivers and the latest AMD SDK (2.4, I think).

In any event, any thoughts on whether I should be using Pay-per-Share or Proportional with a single 6990?

Yes, the CPU may be holding you back...  I hear using linux will cure this.  Also, Stream SDK 2.1 or 2.2 is best... although maybe you can't use that with the 6 series card??

-EP


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 20, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
Wow!  It's been over three hours since the deepbit pool has found a block. 


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MinerBob on April 20, 2011, 07:53:18 PM
Quick question from a Bitcoin Mining newbie.

Deepbit shows a payout of 0.5BTC.

My wallet shows a credit of 0.05BTC.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Rob


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 08:02:11 PM
Also, after looking at my first nearly 24 hour period it looks like I'll be much better off using PPS with my single 6990.  For the past 22 hours I've used proportional and I've earned 2.78205276 BTC.  That seems pretty bad.  If I had used PPS, then right now I'd have about ~4 BTC [  (8300 shares) x (0.00048 BTC/share) = ~4 BTC].
That's because the pool luck today is lower than usual - PPS is more profitable in this case.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 08:05:10 PM
Deepbit shows a payout of 0.5BTC.
My wallet shows a credit of 0.05BTC.
Am I missing something?
On the payouts page click on date and wallet links - you'll see the transaction itself and the log of operations with your wallet. Check the sum on those pages.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 20, 2011, 08:06:03 PM
the last 2 days were worst than ever :)
i guess pps would be better!


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 08:07:04 PM
Wow!  It's been over three hours since the deepbit pool has found a block. 
Some other pool today had a block with more than a 1000000 shares in it. So it's possible and long blocks are encountered sometimes.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 08:09:56 PM
the last 2 days were worst than ever :)
i guess pps would be better!
You should notice that both previous difficulty spans were more successful than usual - up to +15% reward for more than 2 weeks. Both positive and negative deviations are possible.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MinerBob on April 20, 2011, 08:13:11 PM
Deepbit shows a payout of 0.5BTC.
My wallet shows a credit of 0.05BTC.
Am I missing something?
On the payouts page click on date and wallet links - you'll see the transaction itself and the log of operations with your wallet. Check the sum on those pages.

Hmm, looks like my address was wrong for some reason - may I hit new by mistake in my Bitcoin client

Does that means the coins are gone :(?

Update : I see the old address in my address book - maybe it's taking more than a few days to come through - I'l sit it out. Thanks for the quick response.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
Deepbit shows a payout of 0.5BTC.
My wallet shows a credit of 0.05BTC.
Am I missing something?
On the payouts page click on date and wallet links - you'll see the transaction itself and the log of operations with your wallet. Check the sum on those pages.
Hmm, looks like my address was wrong for some reason - may I hit new by mistake in my Bitcoin client
Does that means the coins are gone :(?
Update : I see the old address in my address book - maybe it's taking more than a few days to come through - I'l sit it out. Thanks for the quick response.
All your old addresses are still working.
Usually the transaction should appear in your bitcoin client instantly and receive first confirmation in 10 minutes (in rare cases up to one hour).
If you see this transaction in bitcoin block explorer then everything is fine.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on April 20, 2011, 08:53:03 PM
Instant payout shows up in my client in seconds.  Just a data point.  I am seeing a very small amount of stale shares, 7150 (0.11%), but that is MUCH lower than with the slush pool.  I need to do some comparisons between the pools on total payout however (and uptime of the site).


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 09:38:41 PM
Instant payout shows up in my client in seconds.  Just a data point.  I am seeing a very small amount of stale shares, 7150 (0.11%), but that is MUCH lower than with the slush pool.  I need to do some comparisons between the pools on total payout however (and uptime of the site).
The difference in stale shares amount is caused by long polling support.

When comparing total payouts remember to take a long enough timeframe because luck deviation will affect measurements.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on April 20, 2011, 10:33:38 PM
Instant payout shows up in my client in seconds.  Just a data point.  I am seeing a very small amount of stale shares, 7150 (0.11%), but that is MUCH lower than with the slush pool.  I need to do some comparisons between the pools on total payout however (and uptime of the site).
The difference in stale shares amount is caused by long polling support.

When comparing total payouts remember to take a long enough timeframe because luck deviation will affect measurements.

Yes I knew this was due to long polling; why isn't this used more widely I wonder?  I was thinking 20000 shares or maybe just 96 hours (Saturday at 4:20PM I would switch over I guess).  The difference in fees though is 3% for deepbit as opposed to 2% slush, correct?  It seems to me that the stale shares alone make that up.  If I start running and see stale shares get anywhere near 1%, I will end the test early.  I do like the feature that slush offers of being able to see the unconfirmed payout.   For me, I knew that eventually, my payout would be 9.99 and I set the payout limit one bit cent below that and it worked great, but with instant payout, it is sort of a non-issue [it is not as if I am going to pool jump anyway unless good reason suggests itself] and the need to do something like that, other than pool testing, would be rare.  I like both pools and want both to succeed. 

Maybe when I fix my older computer I can get another GPU online for mining :)  It is over four years old (Core2 Q6600, 5GB DDR2-800 RAM with PCIx x16) but will take an 6990 or a 6970 if I want [the case for that machine is actually better than my current case as far as ventilation goes, but more difficult to access internally or I would switch everything over to it.  I had to setup a UDP for my GPU fan to keep the GPU temp around 75-78C; I don't use fixed fan speeds as dust eventually necessitates altering that [or other heat generating hardware use] such that user defined fan curves are nice :)  The GPU fan is loud enough that with my case fans maxed out they seem quiet in comparison (GPU fan is at 51% currently).


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 10:56:26 PM
I do like the feature that slush offers of being able to see the unconfirmed payout.
That's because all balance is always "confirmed" in deepbit :)

Maybe when I fix my older computer I can get another GPU online for mining :)  It is over four years old (Core2 Q6600, 5GB DDR2-800 RAM with PCIx x16) but will take an 6990 or a 6970 if I want
Core2 is not old, but CPU, RAM and PCIe lanes number doesn't matters for mining anyway :)
I would recommend 5970 instead of 6990 because it's almost twice as cheaper and in some cases may be faster (unless you have suitable drivers, OS and miner).
But if you want to sell it later, new card may be more suitable.

(note that PCI-X and PCIe are different things. But since PCI-X is very rare now it's not an issue :)

Thanks for your support :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: NETio on April 20, 2011, 10:56:36 PM
Well, you just got another 1Gh/s added to your system :) I hate to say I'll only be mining on my main system for a few hours daily.

Anyway, so far it's looking like a fun, mildly competitive, and possibly profitable activity. I'm still a bit confused on exactly how I'm paid and how much, but I'll just run the miner as much as possible, and see what happens in a few days/weeks. In the mean time, what's the most efficient CUDA/OpenCL miner? I'm running a NVIDIA GTX 470 and right now the poclbm OpenCL miner seems to be doing a bit better than the RPC-CUDA miner I started with. I'm new to this, and the only experience I have with distributed computing is rainbow-tables and folding@home (I was/am rather active in the latter's community). Anyway, thanks for making a great system, and this is sort of my thanks to deepbit/intro to this forum.

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8118/btc.png


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 20, 2011, 11:11:34 PM
Anyway, so far it's looking like a fun, mildly competitive, and possibly profitable activity. I'm still a bit confused on exactly how I'm paid and how much, but I'll just run the miner as much as possible, and see what happens in a few days/weeks. In the mean time, what's the most efficient CUDA/OpenCL miner? I'm running a NVIDIA GTX 470 and right now the poclbm OpenCL miner seems to be doing a bit better than the RPC-CUDA miner I started with. I'm new to this, and the only experience I have with distributed computing is rainbow-tables and folding@home (I was/am rather active in the latter's community). Anyway, thanks for making a great system, and this is sort of my thanks to deepbit/intro to this forum.
Thanks :)

Yes, this activity is profitable (with ATI GPU).
Useful GPU comparison page: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
You will earn ~0.86 BTC per day or ~0.035 BTC per hour on average when mining at 81.5 MH/s.

poclbm is the most advanced and feature-rich, it's also fastest free miner available.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: FoS on April 20, 2011, 11:31:34 PM
It seems that all our luck has gone in the past difficulty change. Long blocks  is common now. At least at night time(here in Spain gmt +2) it seems we have more luck than day time.
Is someone calling to teeth fairty to help us minning while we sleep?? Or it's only some kind of ghost giving us a lot of bad luck during day? Lol, it should be the bit-ghost, who play with our graphic cards doing they work without sense.  :D
Well, all of us should had a rabbit leg above the case or the monitor, it will be good for all.
(Yes, if someone is thinking about... I was a little bit bored and thought about our lately bad luck  :P)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: grndzero on April 21, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
[Feature Request]

Not sure how feasible it would be, but I was wondering if it would be possible to implement a function that resets the counters when an automatic payout is triggered and also show a table for historical purposes. I have an automatic payment level set, so I can already see from historical payouts what kind of timeframe it took me to hit that. My idea is to be able to see how many shares I contributed in that timeframe.

EDIT: Or to just add up all shares between payouts and show that as a separate column next to the payout in the same timeframe, then the counters wouldn't need to be reset.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 21, 2011, 01:58:43 AM
It seems that all our luck has gone in the past difficulty change. Long blocks  is common now. At least at night time(here in Spain gmt +2) it seems we have more luck than day time.
Is someone calling to teeth fairty to help us minning while we sleep?? Or it's only some kind of ghost giving us a lot of bad luck during day? Lol, it should be the bit-ghost, who play with our graphic cards doing they work without sense.  :D
Well, all of us should had a rabbit leg above the case or the monitor, it will be good for all.
(Yes, if someone is thinking about... I was a little bit bored and thought about our lately bad luck  :P)

I noticed our luck has been horrible, but it has to go both ways so =/


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on April 21, 2011, 02:47:33 AM
I do like the feature that slush offers of being able to see the unconfirmed payout.
That's because all balance is always "confirmed" in deepbit :)

Maybe when I fix my older computer I can get another GPU online for mining :)  It is over four years old (Core2 Q6600, 5GB DDR2-800 RAM with PCIx x16) but will take an 6990 or a 6970 if I want
Core2 is not old, but CPU, RAM and PCIe lanes number doesn't matters for mining anyway :)
I would recommend 5970 instead of 6990 because it's almost twice as cheaper and in some cases may be faster (unless you have suitable drivers, OS and miner).
But if you want to sell it later, new card may be more suitable.

(note that PCI-X and PCIe are different things. But since PCI-X is very rare now it's not an issue :)

Thanks for your support :)

I was not able to find the 5970 ANYWHERE for cheaper except as used EBay hardware.  The item seems quite rare.  I saw a few listed as new on EBay and one was over $1000 which is of course absurd.  Since most are used and highly prized for this use, I worry that it was not taken care of and flakes out at high use; so only new high end video cards for me when it comes to ATI/AMD GPUs.  My NVidia 570GTX OC was nearly a match for the 6970 on the graphics side, but not the bitcoin side. 


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 02:50:44 AM
I was not able to find the 5970 ANYWHERE for cheaper except as used EBay hardware.  The item seems quite rare.  I saw a few listed as new on EBay and one was over $1000 which is of course absurd.  Since most are used and highly prized for this use, I worry that it was not taken care of and flakes out at high use; so only new high end video cards for me when it comes to ATI/AMD GPUs.  My NVidia 570GTX OC was nearly a match for the 6970 on the graphics side, but not the bitcoin side. 
I was talking about used ones, of course.
Not sure about eBay, here they are sold for ~$350.

Ok, then you can try your luck with 6990 :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 02:51:32 AM
EDIT: Or to just add up all shares between payouts and show that as a separate column next to the payout in the same timeframe, then the counters wouldn't need to be reset.
That's easy to implement. I'll think about it today :)
Thanks.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on April 21, 2011, 02:58:07 AM
I was talking about used ones, of course.
Not sure about eBay, here they are sold for ~$350.

Ok, then you can try your luck with 6990 :)

Not me ... I can't afford one [ok, I can, but I don't want to spend that much on one] and it won't fit in my case.  IF decide to get my old machine running again [instead of auctioning the parts], I might consider looking for a used 5970 if it comes from a reputable person here who doesn't run it at high temp (but how do I know?).


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bitcoineater on April 21, 2011, 04:50:55 AM
I just started using your service, and I am new to mining. I got the poclbm-gui running, says its connected to deepbit.net. I've been running for about a half hour and it shows 0 shares accepted and my average speed is still 0. is there something wrong? Im running a 4850 on windows 7 64 bit, installed stream sdk and all


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 21, 2011, 05:00:38 AM
I just started using your service, and I am new to mining. I got the poclbm-gui running, says its connected to deepbit.net. I've been running for about a half hour and it shows 0 shares accepted and my average speed is still 0. is there something wrong? Im running a 4850 on windows 7 64 bit, installed stream sdk and all

Does the GUI say you are getting any hashes?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bitcoineater on April 21, 2011, 05:11:39 AM
i dont see a spot for showing hashes, so Im not sure. It says it is mining, but no other information. Where would I look?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 21, 2011, 05:38:18 AM
i dont see a spot for showing hashes, so Im not sure. It says it is mining, but no other information. Where would I look?

Summary Page or bottom left of the window.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 21, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
I think my career as BTC miner is over (rewards have been really low for few days and i don't see point continuing) It's been fun while it lasted, thank you all :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 21, 2011, 12:41:59 PM
@Tycho, if I switch from PP to PPS, when does that change take effect?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 21, 2011, 01:04:45 PM
@Tycho, if I switch from PP to PPS, when does that change take effect?

I'm not Tycho, but it should be instant


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 01:17:35 PM
I think my career as BTC miner is over (rewards have been really low for few days and i don't see point continuing) It's been fun while it lasted, thank you all :)
It's just some unlucky days. Considering the almost doubled bitcoin price now you are earning even more than last week :)

@Tycho, if I switch from PP to PPS, when does that change take effect?
Immediately.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 21, 2011, 02:54:14 PM
Considering the almost doubled bitcoin price now you are earning even more than last week :)

Thanks, didn't think of it that way. My electric bill for last month was ~170$ and i was thinking that there is no way for me to compensate it while having fun on mining BTC.

edit: my avarega shares are 12.7% worse atm :/


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bitcoineater on April 21, 2011, 05:08:06 PM
i dont see a spot for showing hashes, so Im not sure. It says it is mining, but no other information. Where would I look?

Summary Page or bottom left of the window.
Thank you. I have solved the problem, turns out i needed different drivers. I am now producing  70Mhash/s, it is also showing shares

 I am confused about your payment model though. what is the difference between proportional and pay per share?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 05:30:11 PM
I am confused about your payment model though. what is the difference between proportional and pay per share?
With PPS your income is guaranted and stable, but 10% lower than average expectation.
With Proportional the fee is only 3%, but your reward depends on pool luck and may be ~15% higher or lower than expected.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 21, 2011, 05:52:11 PM
I am confused about your payment model though. what is the difference between proportional and pay per share?
With PPS your income is guaranted and stable, but 10% lower than average expectation.
With Proportional the fee is only 3%, but your reward depends on pool luck and may be ~15% higher or lower than expected.

Example: this difficulty, we are -13% so far, add + 3% fee and we are at ~16% lower than expected. Last time, we were about 16~17% better, so total after fee was 13~14% better than expected from solo (if difficulty doesn't change)

PPS is -10%, but its constant. In the long run, this optional will net you -7% compared to proportional


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 21, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
I am confused about your payment model though. what is the difference between proportional and pay per share?
With PPS your income is guaranted and stable, but 10% lower than average expectation.
With Proportional the fee is only 3%, but your reward depends on pool luck and may be ~15% higher or lower than expected.

Am I doing this right?  So, to see what I would have earned had I always been on the PPS system I should take my number of shares and multiply that number by ~ 0.00048.  For example:

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/6033/screenshot20110421at154.png

So, if I had always been on PPS during the period that I processed 10198 shares I would have earned 4.89BTC.  Is that right?  Am I missing something?



Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 06:18:52 PM
Am I doing this right?  So, to see what I would have earned had I always been on the PPS system I should take my number of shares and multiply that number by ~ 0.00048.  For example:
So, if I had always been on PPS during the period that I processed 10198 shares I would have earned 4.89BTC.  Is that right?  Am I missing something?
Yes, should be 4.96937705974470746 BTC (rounded to 8 digits after dot).


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 21, 2011, 06:21:49 PM
Am I doing this right?  So, to see what I would have earned had I always been on the PPS system I should take my number of shares and multiply that number by ~ 0.00048.  For example:
So, if I had always been on PPS during the period that I processed 10198 shares I would have earned 4.89BTC.  Is that right?  Am I missing something?
Yes, should be 4.96937705974470746 BTC (rounded to 8 digits after dot).

Ok, thanks.  Just wanted to make sure I was doing that correctly.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Grimzer on April 21, 2011, 10:03:27 PM
Hey Tycho, love the site!

Just have a quick question, is it possible to have the payout based on a set amount of time (eg. payout every 24 hours) instead of having it reach a certain account balance? If not, do you think it would be possible to add it as an option?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VastLite on April 21, 2011, 10:24:02 PM
I'm not Tycho either, but: If you set your payout threshold to say, 3BTC, and it auto-pays you, it will auto-pay you again in 24 hours if you have 3BTC on deepbit. If not, it will auto-pay you as soon as you reach 3BTC and the 24-hour cycle begins again. This is from my experience, so if anyone can add more info, or if my information needs correcting, feel free.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
Hey Tycho, love the site!
Just have a quick question, is it possible to have the payout based on a set amount of time (eg. payout every 24 hours) instead of having it reach a certain account balance? If not, do you think it would be possible to add it as an option?
Thanks.

If you set your threshold to a low value (less than your daily reward), for example - 0.01 BTC, then you will receive autopayment every 24 hours.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 21, 2011, 10:49:57 PM
For CPU miners:

Ufasoft's CPU miner v0.7 now supports long polling protocol, you may want to update:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3486.0


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Grimzer on April 22, 2011, 02:19:19 AM
Hey Tycho, love the site!
Just have a quick question, is it possible to have the payout based on a set amount of time (eg. payout every 24 hours) instead of having it reach a certain account balance? If not, do you think it would be possible to add it as an option?
Thanks.

If you set your threshold to a low value (less than your daily reward), for example - 0.01 BTC, then you will receive autopayment every 24 hours.

Ah thank you, that's perfect.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 22, 2011, 02:49:12 AM
Why is my average shares per block percentage getting worse and worse? Does it mean that my GPU is getting "out dated" and i need to buy better :o


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 22, 2011, 02:54:24 AM
Why is my average shares per block percentage getting worse and worse? Does it mean that my GPU is getting "out dated" and i need to buy better :o
It's not yours shares per block, it's global pool stat.
You don't need to worry about this, it eventually goes up and down.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 22, 2011, 04:51:05 AM
It is just the luck factor that is bad for us for now.... last difficulty we were incredibly lucky, equally, this difficulty we are incredibly unlucky


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on April 22, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Is that normal, that I can't disable "Hide 'your percentage of pool's speed' display" anymore?
It's enabled, even if I disable it and click on "Save settings".
Greets


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 22, 2011, 06:40:26 PM
Hey, I LOVE the stats page now, much better with the 24 hours and the percentages for everyone of them


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: luffy on April 22, 2011, 06:51:01 PM
me too!
the luck is starting to change from the moment one of my friends enters the pool  ;D
Tycho, can we have a page with hall of fame (number of blocks per user) ?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 22, 2011, 07:08:54 PM
Is that normal, that I can't disable "Hide 'your percentage of pool's speed' display" anymore?
It's enabled, even if I disable it and clock on "Save settings".
Thanks for your report, I'll fix it.

the luck is starting to change from the moment one of my friends enters the pool
Tycho, can we have a page with hall of fame (number of blocks per user) ?
Yes, last 24h are normal again :)

This can't be done yet because users of my pool don't have public nicknames, only e-mails.
I'll think about adding "nickname" field for other uses too.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: luffy on April 22, 2011, 08:59:32 PM
payments are not working?
i have reached the time for automatic but it isn't working. i try instant, no luck too!
now it works :)
strange!


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 22, 2011, 10:31:00 PM
payments are not working?
now it works :)
strange!
There was a little pause for payments update, everything is working now.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 23, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
Are you serious? last difficulty I was mostly with Slush and I miss out on the - 16.6%, and now I started a bit late this difficulty and I get +23%? BS :(

Tycho, why aren't you sprinkling unicorn dust on your pool?  :'(


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 23, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
Maybe upgrading the server with pretty new processors, make them happy? =D


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 23, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
won't change our luck lol


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Miner-TE on April 23, 2011, 06:46:28 PM
Pool's luck is down but mine seems to be improving.  I just noticed my solved block count is up to 4.  Last time I checked, about 2 week ago, it was 1.  three solved blocks in less than 2 weeks.  I only have 350 MH/s.


Oh well, Now I'm playing the 'What if I was solo' game in my head.  Darn, solved block count.  :)

Anyway,  Happy Hashing to all.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: MrGaSp on April 23, 2011, 06:48:57 PM
never know.. ..

I have switched to PPS now because of the horrid luck, just can't take the time between the blocks =/

Edit:

Oh well, Now I'm playing the 'What if I was solo' game in my head.  Darn, solved block count.  :)

Anyway,  Happy Hashing to all.

Now you got me debating =/


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 24, 2011, 12:51:51 AM
I now withdraw 2.78 coins from my account & nothing in bitcoin client & this link says, no such transaction.
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/d2a8b82b7ce67da33a47ac1d49d7ac4a8c01f46375bc50f5e5535a2a6c7395b6


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: mjsbuddha on April 24, 2011, 12:54:21 AM
I now withdraw 2.78 coins from my account & nothing in bitcoin client & this link says, no such transaction.
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/d2a8b82b7ce67da33a47ac1d49d7ac4a8c01f46375bc50f5e5535a2a6c7395b6

had the same issue earlier. while the instant payout doesnt appear to be down it does seem less then instant right now. took 20+ minutes for me.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 24, 2011, 01:00:00 AM
I now withdraw 2.78 coins from my account & nothing in bitcoin client & this link says, no such transaction.
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/d2a8b82b7ce67da33a47ac1d49d7ac4a8c01f46375bc50f5e5535a2a6c7395b6
Bitcoin Block Explorer can show your transaction only after it gets included in some block (and then BBE server receives that block).
I see your transaction in queue and everything is fine with it.

You can check it here: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
(serach for your transaction number and you'll see it if it's not in block yet)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 24, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
got my coins.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 24, 2011, 04:00:23 AM
I've decided to stick with the steady and predictable results of PPS.  I know that the pool's size reduces variance, but I'm happy to tolerate 10% off the top in exchange for as much predictability as I can get.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 24, 2011, 11:10:02 AM
Just wondering:

Why there is some days missing on payments? (miner been online 24/7 so thats not reason).

Last payment received is 24.4 and second is 22.4. So 23.4 is missing? And thats not only day, there is other day missing too in past.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on April 24, 2011, 02:25:01 PM
Just wondering:

Why there is some days missing on payments? (miner been online 24/7 so thats not reason).

Last payment received is 24.4 and second is 22.4. So 23.4 is missing? And thats not only day, there is other day missing too in past.

I'm curious about that too ...


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 24, 2011, 03:18:59 PM
Just wondering:
Why there is some days missing on payments? (miner been online 24/7 so thats not reason).
Yesterday automatic payments were delayed for a few hours, but nothing was lost.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bitjet on April 25, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
Tycho,

So why when my miners are reporting 1.3-1.4ghps does my hash rate the account page fluctuate between 1000-1290ish most of the time? Sometimes hits 1300+ but mostly in the 11-1200's.



Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: aahzmundus on April 26, 2011, 01:52:08 AM
I believe the pool calculates your speed based on the number of shares received, not true hashing speed (although... how different are they?)  I bet you could get a more accurate measure of your speed by bumping up your "Window for hashrate display".  My guess is stale shares could be bringing down your rate, not sure how that all works.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on April 26, 2011, 02:34:00 AM
Nice to see chat on your pool's main page.
Here after pool members can tell, pool problems instantly to deepbit, instead of posting here & wasting threads in post.
All ready reached 907 thread.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: ancow on April 26, 2011, 08:08:51 AM
Nice to see chat on your pool's main page.

It'd be even better if there was a way to get rid of it completely. The placement and size are annoying as heck!
(Also, it's not only on the main page...)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on April 26, 2011, 12:25:24 PM
I don't mind it, infact i just noticed it :D

Placement is not bad IMO


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 26, 2011, 04:19:17 PM
Tycho, i have 9 workers so far and i need more!
i cannot use more? i don't see the button to create a worker  >:(
thanks


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 26, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Tycho, i have 9 workers so far and i need more!
i cannot use more? i don't see the button to create a worker  >:(
thanks
Fixed.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on April 26, 2011, 07:48:50 PM
Tycho, can you write the average traffic that is generated to/from us, corresponding to Mhash/s ?
I counted about 44KB/s, which means around 5000MB per month for dedicated rig. Trying to reduce the packets, nothing more :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 26, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Tycho, can you write the average traffic that is generated to/from us, corresponding to Mhash/s ?
I counted about 44KB/s, which means around 5000MB per month for dedicated rig. Trying to reduce the packets, nothing more :)
44 Kbps is more than i expect. Should be around 600+ bytes per getwork.
Will check it.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 26, 2011, 10:11:01 PM
Tycho, i have 9 workers so far and i need more!
i cannot use more? i don't see the button to create a worker  >:(
thanks

Impressive, 9 workers ... are you becoming some kind of GPU bot-herder?  :D


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Herodes on April 26, 2011, 10:16:25 PM
Tycho, i have 9 workers so far and i need more!
i cannot use more? i don't see the button to create a worker  >:(
thanks

Impressive, 9 workers ... are you becoming some kind of GPU bot-herder?  :D

He's the GPU shepherd in deepbitvalley. :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: ancow on April 27, 2011, 02:55:19 AM
Placement is not bad IMO
It is on my screen (relatively low resolution and widescreen). Since there is no single placement that will suit everybody, an option to disable it would be quite nice.

I've since managed to block it using adblock, so I don't care so much anymore...


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eleuthria on April 27, 2011, 05:38:58 AM
Tycho, i have 9 workers so far and i need more!
i cannot use more? i don't see the button to create a worker  >:(
thanks
Fixed.

Looks like someone requested that just in time.  I'm looking at #10 and #11 next week on my worker list :).  Might be building a climate controlled room if I can continue to snipe $200-210 5870s :).


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: luffy on April 27, 2011, 07:10:19 AM
Well done guys,
we have reached almost the 1/4 of the network brute force!
in current rate we should find up to 40-50 blocks per day!
impressive indeed  :o

edit: 22 blocks in the last 9 hours!!!!!!


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 27, 2011, 03:03:22 PM
WOOO WE HIT THE 200Ghash MARK! WOOO


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 05:46:37 PM
So I'm only mining on a small GPU, 50khash/s, part time... Would one payment mode be more beneficial over the other?


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: drgr33n on April 27, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
WOOO WE HIT THE 200Ghash MARK! WOOO

Yep and since that happened ..

27.04.2011 15:09:58   2h 01m    343371   
27.04.2011 13:08:43   1h 14m    210267   
27.04.2011 11:54:21   1h 51m    309034   
27.04.2011 10:03:08   1h 15m

I'm going PPS :D


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 27, 2011, 05:53:00 PM
WOOO WE HIT THE 200Ghash MARK! WOOO

Yep and since that happened ..

27.04.2011 15:09:58   2h 01m    343371   
27.04.2011 13:08:43   1h 14m    210267   
27.04.2011 11:54:21   1h 51m    309034   
27.04.2011 10:03:08   1h 15m

I'm going PPS :D
please do. luck will go to -20%, i can assure you :D


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 27, 2011, 05:54:17 PM
So I'm only mining on a small GPU, 50khash/s, part time... Would one payment mode be more beneficial over the other?

PPS.  But at 50khash/s it would take you about five and half years to earn your first bitcoin.  Of course, it's far worse than that because the difficulty increases about every 2 weeks, so, really, you'll probably never earn a bitcoin.  I'd use that GPU for something else if I were you.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: drgr33n on April 27, 2011, 05:56:58 PM
WOOO WE HIT THE 200Ghash MARK! WOOO

Yep and since that happened ..

27.04.2011 15:09:58   2h 01m    343371   
27.04.2011 13:08:43   1h 14m    210267   
27.04.2011 11:54:21   1h 51m    309034   
27.04.2011 10:03:08   1h 15m

I'm going PPS :D
please do. luck will go to -20%, i can assure you :D

We will see :D it seems to have been following a pattern for the last few days until now.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eleuthria on April 27, 2011, 05:57:35 PM
WOOO WE HIT THE 200Ghash MARK! WOOO

Yep and since that happened ..

27.04.2011 15:09:58   2h 01m    343371   
27.04.2011 13:08:43   1h 14m    210267   
27.04.2011 11:54:21   1h 51m    309034   
27.04.2011 10:03:08   1h 15m

I'm going PPS :D

It's all my fault.  I finished building a status page I could load on my iPhone which shows me how long my machines have been running, pulls the latest market depth to get an accurate $ value for the work, an estimate of the electricity cost per machine, and then computes average profit per computer/daily profit.  Put the system online last night and reset my stats on Deepbit.  Since then the pool's luck has dived.  I'm sorry, I swear my intentions were pure!


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 05:59:40 PM
So I'm only mining on a small GPU, 50khash/s, part time... Would one payment mode be more beneficial over the other?

PPS.  But at 50khash/s it would take you about five and half years to earn your first bitcoin.  Of course, it's far worse than that because the difficulty increases about every 2 weeks, so, really, you'll probably never earn a bitcoin.  I'd use that GPU for something else if I were you.

But working on a proprotional payout, I've gotten 0.01954144 BTC after about an hour or so of work.... 5 years? You can't be serious...


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on April 27, 2011, 06:10:57 PM
link=topic=3889.msg97110#msg97110 date=1303927180]
So I'm only mining on a small GPU, 50khash/s, part time... Would one payment mode be more beneficial over the other?

PPS.  But at 50khash/s it would take you about five and half years to earn your first bitcoin.  Of course, it's far worse than that because the difficulty increases about every 2 weeks, so, really, you'll probably never earn a bitcoin.  I'd use that GPU for something else if I were you.

But working on a proprotional payout, I've gotten 0.01954144 BTC after about an hour or so of work.... 5 years? You can't be serious...
[/quote]


27.04.2011 07:09:58 2h 01m  343371 0.06045356 
27.04.2011 05:08:43 1h 14m  210267 0.06366192 
27.04.2011 03:54:21 1h 51m  309034 0.05791110 
27.04.2011 02:03:08 1h 15m  207364 0.06104483 
27.04.2011 00:48:00 0h 15m  42605 0.04439620

Thats what im getting with Proportional @ 250Mhashes, Wouldnt what your saying mean that if i switch to PPS i'll loose out?[quote author=TheShoura


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 27, 2011, 06:15:00 PM
27.04.2011 15:09:58   2h 01m    343371   
27.04.2011 13:08:43   1h 14m    210267   
27.04.2011 11:54:21   1h 51m    309034   
27.04.2011 10:03:08   1h 15m

I'm going PPS :D
Good :)
But you should remember that each block's lenght doesn't depends on the previous ones :)


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
okay so I switched to a Cuda miner and it boosted to 60khash/s.... but I still don't understand how PPS versus proportional works... is there a wiki detailing this? I wanna find out which is better for BTC production!

edit: i keep seeing this, what does it mean:
http://i.imgur.com/ugaXG.png


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 27, 2011, 06:27:47 PM
okay so I switched to a Cuda miner and it boosted to 60khash/s.... but I still don't understand how PPS versus proportional works... is there a wiki detailing this? I wanna find out which is better for BTC production!

edit: i keep seeing this, what does it mean:
http://i.imgur.com/ugaXG.png

Just a little FYI, you're pulling 60,000 khash/s (also referred to as 60Mhash/s) not 60 khash/s.  At 60,000 khash/s you'll do ~0.6BTC per day.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 06:29:37 PM
....fail, I should have said 60Mhash/s


anyone know what the whole "found hash!" thing that keeps poping in my CMD window is? I only started seeing it when I swithched to Cuda based RPC miner from poclbm


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 27, 2011, 06:30:30 PM
okay so I switched to a Cuda miner and it boosted to 60khash/s.... but I still don't understand how PPS versus proportional works... is there a wiki detailing this? I wanna find out which is better for BTC production!
It's on the main page.
I'll add the description on the registration page too...

anyone know what the whole "found hash!" thing that keeps poping in my CMD window is? I only started seeing it when I swithched to Cuda based RPC miner from poclbm
It means that you found a share. poclbm says "accepted" in this case.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
okay so I switched to a Cuda miner and it boosted to 60khash/s.... but I still don't understand how PPS versus proportional works... is there a wiki detailing this? I wanna find out which is better for BTC production!
It's on the main page.
I'll add the description on the registration page too...

anyone know what the whole "found hash!" thing that keeps poping in my CMD window is? I only started seeing it when I swithched to Cuda based RPC miner from poclbm
It means that you found a share. poclbm says "accepted" in this case.

Ah okay thank you. Answered both of my questions! :)

So with proportional, I find a 50BTC block, i get paid ~40 something less a fee? How did I get 0.01 over the span of 1 hour then?

with pay per share, its pretty cut and dry. I just don't understand how proportion is working


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 27, 2011, 06:44:24 PM
So with proportional, I find a 50BTC block, i get paid ~40 something less a fee? How did I get 0.01 over the span of 1 hour then?
with pay per share, its pretty cut and dry. I just don't understand how proportion is working
When pool finds a block, it's divided propotionally to all the participants.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 06:45:59 PM
So with proportional, I find a 50BTC block, i get paid ~40 something less a fee? How did I get 0.01 over the span of 1 hour then?
with pay per share, its pretty cut and dry. I just don't understand how proportion is working
When pool finds a block, it's divided propotionally to all the participants.

Hmm... this seems like it would be more worth while since getting paid per share is kinda... low.. also my slow GPU isn't really doing shares all that fast heh


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 27, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
Hmm... this seems like it would be more worth while since getting paid per share is kinda... low.. also my slow GPU isn't really doing shares all that fast heh
On average Proportional will give you 7% more than PPS. But it depends on pool's luck.
At this moment the luck is lower than usual, so you'll get more with PPS.

In both modes your reward depends partially or fully on the number of shares submitted.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 06:50:25 PM
Hmm... this seems like it would be more worth while since getting paid per share is kinda... low.. also my slow GPU isn't really doing shares all that fast heh
On average Proportional will give you 7% more than PPS. But it depends on pool's luck.
At this moment the luck is lower than usual, so you'll get more with PPS.
Ah okay that makes sense, luck. I was looking for some kind of formula LOL

I might say on PPS for a day, switch to proportional next and see how it goes? I think Proportional would be best tho since its based on divided work.

Also; how would this work... if I wanna pause mining, say to sleep (cus I cant sleep with rig in its current state, using backup, noisy card) or to play a game..... do I just close the mining window and re-open when I'm ready? does this hurt anything per-se? I know its going to stop production, but does it discard whatever I'm working on, or save it to continue later?


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 27, 2011, 06:56:21 PM
Ah okay that makes sense, luck. I was looking for some kind of formula LOL

I might say on PPS for a day, switch to proportional next and see how it goes? I think Proportional would be best tho since its based on divided work.
This won't work since luck is different in each moment :)

Formula for PPS: your shares * (45 BTC / current difficulty)
At this moment: 0.00048728937632327 BTC per share

Formula for each block in Proportional: 48.5 BTC * (your shares / total shares of this block)

Also; how would this work... if I wanna pause mining, say to sleep (cus I cant sleep with rig in its current state, using backup, noisy card) or to play a game..... do I just close the mining window and re-open when I'm ready? does this hurt anything per-se? I know its going to stop production, but does it discard whatever I'm working on, or save it to continue later?
Mining process is almost stateless, there is nothing to discard.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: phenom on April 27, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
Tycho,

Have you seen the new phoenix miner? Any suggested settings for that for your pool please?

It's boosted my MH/s by a lot but I've noticed the stale rate has risen quite a bit  :-\


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 27, 2011, 11:08:01 PM
Have you seen the new phoenix miner? Any suggested settings for that for your pool please?
Yes, I tried it, didn't worked well on my system. But some people report good results.
It supports long polling, so you don't need any special settings unles you are getting warnings about running idle.

It's boosted my MH/s by a lot but I've noticed the stale rate has risen quite a bit  :-\
I know the cause of stale share increase, it shouldn't affect your results.
Try the new version of phoenix, this bug may be fixed already.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: reflex99 on April 27, 2011, 11:15:26 PM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net

http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html

Should give you a nice bump in Gh/s, seeing how fanatical everyone over there seems to be about it.

In the second post I recommend your pool (since it is pretty much the only pool)

Just thought you might like to know.


-reflex


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 27, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net

http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html

Should give you a nice bump in Gh/s, seeing how fanatical everyone over there seems to be about it.

In the second post I recommend your pool (since it is pretty much the only pool)

Just thought you might like to know.


-reflex

Saw the guide there and that's what got me started

I'm contemplating building a mining rig right now with some extra cash... 3-4 5870's on a cheap cpu can be had for about a grand


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JoeTheTech on April 27, 2011, 11:51:39 PM
Hello all,
I am not much on posting in forums but thought it was time to say thank you to Tycho for the work and dedication put into Deepbit.net. I also would like to say thanks to all the members that have contributed to this and other threads on this forum. Many of you have been a great help in understanding how this all works.

I started mining solo in mid 2010 with CPUs only. Success was very rare but my interest was captured. I recently purchased a used 5870 from eBay which is turning out to be a good investment. My full time mining rig is an old MSI motherboard with a Q6600 CPU, overclocked 5870, 850 watt power supply, 2 gig ram. Other than the video card and power supply the system is over 4 years old (my old gaming rig reborn). It is sitting in the server room I admin over and working very smoothly.

I have a few bills to pay but plan on investing in another GPU very soon.

If your looking for a pool to join I would say Deepbit.net is the place to be.

Have a great day.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Kick on April 28, 2011, 12:57:43 AM
Hello all,
I am not much on posting in forums but thought it was time to say thank you to Tycho for the work and dedication put into Deepbit.net. I also would like to say thanks to all the members that have contributed to this and other threads on this forum. Many of you have been a great help in understanding how this all works.

I started mining solo in mid 2010 with CPUs only. Success was very rare but my interest was captured. I recently purchased a used 5870 from eBay which is turning out to be a good investment. My full time mining rig is an old MSI motherboard with a Q6600 CPU, overclocked 5870, 850 watt power supply, 2 gig ram. Other than the video card and power supply the system is over 4 years old (my old gaming rig reborn). It is sitting in the server room I admin over and working very smoothly.

I have a few bills to pay but plan on investing in another GPU very soon.

If your looking for a pool to join I would say Deepbit.net is the place to be.

Have a great day.

Most definitely.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: fpgaminer on April 28, 2011, 04:54:37 AM
Feature Request: JSONP support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSONP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSONP)

Needed for special cases of dealing with JSON. Specifically, a webpage running JavaScript cannot fetch JSON from a different server, because the browser will block such a request (Cross Domain Request).

JSONP is a workaround. For example, a request for "http://deepbit.net/api/myapikey?jsonp=parseRequest" would result in:

Code:
parseRequest({all the normal json data})

It's something I'll personally use.

Thank you!


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 04:56:00 AM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 06:14:16 AM
Is that normal, that I can't disable "Hide 'your percentage of pool's speed' display" anymore?
It's enabled, even if I disable it and click on "Save settings".
Fixed.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: reflex99 on April 28, 2011, 07:13:44 AM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)

As long as I get credit for it.

Also a link to the OCN thread at the end of where ever you post it would be nice.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on April 28, 2011, 11:36:40 AM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)

As long as I get credit for it.

Also a link to the OCN thread at the end of where ever you post it would be nice.

I love you for the guide.  :D

But I need some help. My balance of BitCoins was around 0.8 when I went to sleep, leaving my PC on. When I woke up, it was at 0.2. What happened?


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 28, 2011, 12:00:09 PM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)

As long as I get credit for it.

Also a link to the OCN thread at the end of where ever you post it would be nice.

I love you for the guide.  :D

But I need some help. My balance of BitCoins was around 0.8 when I went to sleep, leaving my PC on. When I woke up, it was at 0.2. What happened?
you got your first paycheck? :)


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on April 28, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)

As long as I get credit for it.

Also a link to the OCN thread at the end of where ever you post it would be nice.

I love you for the guide.  :D

But I need some help. My balance of BitCoins was around 0.8 when I went to sleep, leaving my PC on. When I woke up, it was at 0.2. What happened?
you got your first paycheck? :)
Yeah, but my account wasn't credited with anything, they just vanished. And would it be giving them to PayPal, even if I don't have it set up?


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 28, 2011, 12:15:04 PM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)

As long as I get credit for it.

Also a link to the OCN thread at the end of where ever you post it would be nice.

I love you for the guide.  :D

But I need some help. My balance of BitCoins was around 0.8 when I went to sleep, leaving my PC on. When I woke up, it was at 0.2. What happened?

you got your first paycheck? :)
Yeah, but my account wasn't credited with anything, they just vanished. And would it be giving them to PayPal, even if I don't have it set up?

uhm, this is beyond me, you'll have to consult tycho about that. Paypal was april fools joke as far as i know :)


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Kick on April 28, 2011, 01:31:21 PM
keep getting idle miner due to no work received error in phoenix.

was working fine the past few days... at aggression 10


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on April 28, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
keep getting idle miner due to no work received error in phoenix.

was working fine the past few days... at aggression 10
try lowering your agression a bit. It helped me.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 28, 2011, 02:00:42 PM

yeah, their seems to be increasing aggression around these days ...


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 28, 2011, 02:17:11 PM
I'm not sure if you saw it already or not, but I complied a guide over on overclock.net
http://www.overclock.net/other-software/1001123-earn-your-gpu-bitcoin-mining-guide.html
Thanks, you did a great work on this !

Can I copy your post to my site ? I'll keep your name there :)

As long as I get credit for it.

Also a link to the OCN thread at the end of where ever you post it would be nice.

I love you for the guide.  :D

But I need some help. My balance of BitCoins was around 0.8 when I went to sleep, leaving my PC on. When I woke up, it was at 0.2. What happened?
you got your first paycheck? :)
Yeah, but my account wasn't credited with anything, they just vanished. And would it be giving them to PayPal, even if I don't have it set up?

You know what, my deepbit payment history shows that I should have been sent 10.2BTC at around 3am my time, but it's 10:15am now and the payment hasn't arrived to my wallet...strange.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: proudhon on April 28, 2011, 02:32:14 PM
Nevermind, for whatever reason Bitcoin wasn't updating the number of blocks.  I restarted the program, let it update, and the transaction appeared.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 02:49:22 PM
But I need some help. My balance of BitCoins was around 0.8 when I went to sleep, leaving my PC on. When I woke up, it was at 0.2. What happened?
Look at your "payments" page - may be your coins were sent to you already.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bcsaver1 on April 28, 2011, 02:58:55 PM
I cannot seem to register on deepbit.net.  Is registration closed now?  There is no error message, but when I look at the URL, it is http://deepbit.net/register.php?msg=Passwords_don't_match .  I tried multiple times, even restarting the form in different browsers, but it always gives me the same message.  I am sure I input the passwords correctly.

Thanks for any help!


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 03:16:15 PM
I cannot seem to register on deepbit.net.  Is registration closed now?  There is no error message, but when I look at the URL, it is http://deepbit.net/register.php?msg=Passwords_don't_match .  I tried multiple times, even restarting the form in different browsers, but it always gives me the same message.  I am sure I input the passwords correctly.
No, the registration is open.

Can you PM me your login and the password that you are trying to use ? I'll check it.
(of course you will have to use different password later)


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: bcsaver1 on April 28, 2011, 04:02:51 PM
I tried logging in and was able to do so-- apparently although the registration form gave an error, it registered my account ultimately.  Thanks!


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: fasti on April 28, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
I see a problem for small miners in big pool, the bigger the pool the more chance to get those lucky within ~few second finds, which means if you don't have enough hash power, you wont get any coins from that one.

Would be more fair to have like 1hour shares etc.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 04:22:28 PM
I see a problem for small miners in big pool, the bigger the pool the more chance to get those lucky within ~few second finds, which means if you don't have enough hash power, you wont get any coins from that one.

Would be more fair to have like 1hour shares etc.
On average the payout would be the same because someday you will hit this short block too and this chance is related to your speed.

There is PPS mode for those who don't want to play with variance :)


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on April 28, 2011, 08:12:06 PM
Look at your "payments" page - may be your coins were sent to you already.
Wasn't sent any coins.  :'(


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 08:19:32 PM
Look at your "payments" page - may be your coins were sent to you already.
Wasn't sent any coins.  :'(
I don't think that this may happen at all.
PM me your login name.

Are you using PPS or Proportional mode ? If it's proportional does the history column shows the correct value ?


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on April 28, 2011, 08:36:56 PM
I don't think that this may happen at all.
PM me your login name.

Are you using PPS or Proportional mode ? If it's proportional does the history column shows the correct value ?
I'm sure it was 0.7, but history shows .042.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
I don't think that this may happen at all.
PM me your login name.
Are you using PPS or Proportional mode ? If it's proportional does the history column shows the correct value ?
I'm sure it was 0.7, but history shows .042.
Your payments page shows that you had two transactions today and both already reached your wallet.
Why are you saying that no coins were sent ?

History column shows 0.41 BTC proportional reward and 0.44 BTC is what you received.


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on April 28, 2011, 09:45:10 PM
Your payments page shows that you had two transactions today and both already reached your wallet.
Why are you saying that no coins were sent ?

History column shows 0.41 BTC proportional reward and 0.44 BTC is what you received.

Yes, but my balance showed 0.7 last night, and when I woke up, before I did any transactions, it was showing 0.2.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 28, 2011, 10:30:11 PM

[Tycho]

your pool luck is really, really sucking right now ... +35%.

I thought you said somewhere that it can't get worse than +15%?

Is it time to consider that someone is performing the "hide the golden ticket" attack on your pool?

How would we know other than sucky lucky?

cheers,

moa


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 28, 2011, 10:49:33 PM
your pool luck is really, really sucking right now ... +35%.
I thought you said somewhere that it can't get worse than +15%?
Is it time to consider that someone is performing the "hide the golden ticket" attack on your pool?
In theory it can be better or worse to any extent.
I'm constantly monitoring all stats and everything is running as it should.
Do you know that such attacker would need to have 35% of pool speed to do this ? That's 70 GH/s, even ArtForz can't do this yet :) The fastest users are crunching at only 2.5% of pool's speed, and there aren't many of them. I don't think that 30+ top users can cooperate in such anti-pool effort and lose their 35% (25 GH/s) too.

Cost of such attack thus would be $700 per day not to mention enormous hardware resources.

So let's crunch trought this to the brilliant future :)


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 28, 2011, 11:34:17 PM
your pool luck is really, really sucking right now ... +35%.
I thought you said somewhere that it can't get worse than +15%?
Is it time to consider that someone is performing the "hide the golden ticket" attack on your pool?
In theory it can be better or worse to any extent.
I'm constantly monitoring all stats and everything is running as it should.
Do you know that such attacker would need to have 35% of pool speed to do this ? That's 70 GH/s, even ArtForz can't do this yet :) The fastest users are crunching at only 2.5% of pool's speed, and there aren't many of them. I don't think that 30+ top users can cooperate in such anti-pool effort and lose their 35% (25 GH/s) too.

Cost of such attack thus would be $700 per day not to mention enormous hardware resources.

So let's crunch trought this to the brilliant future :)

If we had a break-down of total shares and blocks found per worker we would know, after a time, if anyone was diverting "golden tickets" that should be going to the pool.

As I asked for quite sometime back, if you recall. It is just in the interests of transparency.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 29, 2011, 12:17:49 AM
If we had a break-down of total shares and blocks found per worker we would know, after a time, if anyone was diverting "golden tickets" that should be going to the pool.

As I asked for quite sometime back, if you recall. It is just in the interests of transparency.
Actually i'm still thinking that this would be a bit useless because ANY results distribution is possible. It's just like a table with lots of random numbers.

When I started my mining at ~22k difficulty and 900 MH/s I didn't get a block for more than 2 weeks. Does it means that i'm hiding the winning hashes ? No, that's just bad luck.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 29, 2011, 01:08:13 AM
REDACTED:

sorry about that, had my misconceptions cleared up ... we can check it on block explorer if needs be.

feck this luck sucks.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 29, 2011, 01:30:11 AM
feck this luck sucks.
You can use PPS mode while we are expreriencing bad luck.

Also, remember that we had good luck all the previous difficulty span AND current span has less deviation than that :)


Title: Re: [~200 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 29, 2011, 01:47:18 AM
Your payments page shows that you had two transactions today and both already reached your wallet.
Why are you saying that no coins were sent ?
History column shows 0.41 BTC proportional reward and 0.44 BTC is what you received.
Yes, but my balance showed 0.7 last night, and when I woke up, before I did any transactions, it was showing 0.2.
I'll check my logs, but i don't think it's possible, since the only way to decrease your balance is to get a successful payment.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: drgr33n on April 29, 2011, 01:33:11 PM
Is the deepbit website down ? I can't seem to go onto it but my miners still crunching away ?


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 29, 2011, 03:25:24 PM
Is the deepbit website down ? I can't seem to go onto it but my miners still crunching away ?
No, works fine for me.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 29, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
it could be nice if we could select pps and prop for all the workers or some of them at once without clicking so many times! :)


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 29, 2011, 04:47:54 PM
I read that you can elongate the time sample for average hash rate from 7 minutes to ~30? for accuracy

how do i do this


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 29, 2011, 04:49:37 PM
I read that you can elongate the time sample for average hash rate from 7 minutes to ~30? for accuracy
"Averaging window" parameter in advanced settings page.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 29, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
I read that you can elongate the time sample for average hash rate from 7 minutes to ~30? for accuracy
"Averaging window" parameter in advanced settings page.

Thanks, that took care of it!

Also, found a nice signature banner :D Looking gooood


Title: Re: [~240 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 30, 2011, 06:45:08 AM
-39% WTF???  ;D
it would be nice if we just get the 50% of the whole net force!
come on people  ;)


Title: Re: [~240 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 30, 2011, 06:45:53 AM
What is -39%??


Title: Re: [~240 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: qed on April 30, 2011, 06:49:35 AM
-39% WTF???  ;D
it would be nice if we just get the 50% of the whole net force!
come on people  ;)

Karma!


Title: Re: [~240 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on April 30, 2011, 07:12:03 AM
-50% !!!!!
this shows that the difficulty of the pool is 50% lower than the general difficulty ;)


Title: Re: [~240 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 30, 2011, 07:18:54 AM

deepbit has hit the motherlode  8)

on the new difficulty too ... how long can this last i wonder?


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 30, 2011, 07:51:04 AM
Can someone explain what is going on here? Where are all my shares going? The whole time I been producing at 660 MH/S!!
http://i.imgur.com/bOuES.png


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 30, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
Can someone explain what is going on here? Where are all my shares going? The whole time I been producing at 660 MH/S!!
http://i.imgur.com/bOuES.png

Why was my last payout so low? I paused my client for ~5 minutes to reboot, I change a flag -w to test it out for a few hours, realtime MH/s wasn't different... I changed it back about 20 minutes ago


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on April 30, 2011, 07:58:07 AM
Can someone explain what is going on here? Where are all my shares going? The whole time I been producing at 660 MH/S!!
http://i.imgur.com/bOuES.png

Why was my last payout so low? I paused my client for ~5 minutes to reboot, I change a flag -w to test it out for a few hours, realtime MH/s wasn't different... I changed it back about 20 minutes ago

It was a really short round and you only got a few of the shares that were submitted ... the very short rounds it is a crap shoot who gets the most shares in and doesn't have time to even out to reflect average hashrates .... if you hang around for enough short rounds it will even out when totalled over all of them.

Next time just hope the short round are all your shares going in ... !


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 30, 2011, 07:58:30 AM
Why was my last payout so low? I paused my client for ~5 minutes to reboot, I change a flag -w to test it out for a few hours, realtime MH/s wasn't different... I changed it back about 20 minutes ago
That was a very short block - it took only a few seconds to solve, so your chances to send a share in exact those seconds aren't 100%
It's normal.


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 30, 2011, 08:06:19 AM
Okay so just bad timing? lol damn.

Welp. What's the production difference in the long run between using larger/smaller work sizes? I tried 64 for a few hours, the Mh/s was peaking higher at 340Mh/s per mining client, but it would wildly swing from 340, 330, down to 325... using 128 seems more stable as it holds steady at 324-330, staying at 330 most often.

I tried 256 and it seemed slower at 329...

Anyhow, Thanks for fast replies


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: nster on April 30, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
We are officially the biggest pool :D


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: rrz on April 30, 2011, 03:25:48 PM
Thanks to [Tycho] for all his hard work!  ;D  I just joined the pool a few days go with my lowly Macbook Pro, but I go back to work today and will add my iMac and my co-lo boxes to the effort. I just started learning coding with the REALStudio suite, and am considering writing a cross platform GUI as a project. Unfortunately, Mac's seem to be low man on the Bitcoin mining totem pole, I need to dig further in the forums to find out what specifically is the issue. I'm wondering if running this hardware with Linux instead of OS X would make a difference?


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on April 30, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
Thanks to [Tycho] for all his hard work!  ;D  I just joined the pool a few days go with my lowly Macbook Pro, but I go back to work today and will add my iMac and my co-lo boxes to the effort. I just started learning coding with the REALStudio suite, and am considering writing a cross platform GUI as a project. Unfortunately, Mac's seem to be low man on the Bitcoin mining totem pole, I need to dig further in the forums to find out what specifically is the issue. I'm wondering if running this hardware with Linux instead of OS X would make a difference?
The problem is probably shitty hardware, really. Macs never, ever came with great GPUs, which is what you need to excel.


Title: Re: [~210 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on April 30, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
your pool luck is really, really sucking right now ... +35%.
I thought you said somewhere that it can't get worse than +15%?
Is it time to consider that someone is performing the "hide the golden ticket" attack on your pool?
In theory it can be better or worse to any extent.
I'm constantly monitoring all stats and everything is running as it should.
Do you know that such attacker would need to have 35% of pool speed to do this ? That's 70 GH/s, even ArtForz can't do this yet :) The fastest users are crunching at only 2.5% of pool's speed, and there aren't many of them. I don't think that 30+ top users can cooperate in such anti-pool effort and lose their 35% (25 GH/s) too.

Cost of such attack thus would be $700 per day not to mention enormous hardware resources.

So let's crunch trought this to the brilliant future :)

Yes, and at which point they may as well form a small pool and mine amongst themselves ... or am I missing something?


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on April 30, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
It'd be even better if there was a way to get rid of it completely. The placement and size are annoying as heck!
I knew that everyone will like it :)
Now you can disable it in advanced settings.


Title: Re: [~250 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on April 30, 2011, 11:29:31 PM
We are officially the biggest pool :D

 ;)  Although it does vary from day to day or even hour to hour as the block size variances creep in.  It almost seems as if when slush is big, then deepbit is smaller and the opposite holds true.  I think one of the other pools will probably break out soon as well as more people look for what makes them happiest.  Ideally, I think 3-5 competing pools of comparable sizes is good for mining and also reduces the likelihood of attack [although I trust Slush and Tycho implicitly and it would take corruption or cracking and hacking to divert their pools].  Now, based pure hash rate or number of members .... well, even that changes too, but both are seeing massive increases.

I am anxious to see what Slush comes up with next when he gets time [i.e. long polling, additional interesting statistics, etc.].  BTW, long polling reduces the load on the pool server and reduces stale shares, so it is in his interest to implement it, so I expect that will be coming before long.


Title: Re: [~160 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: ancow on May 01, 2011, 01:41:44 AM
It'd be even better if there was a way to get rid of it completely. The placement and size are annoying as heck!
I knew that everyone will like it :)
Now you can disable it in advanced settings.
Thank you! :D
Great service and reaction time, as always.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 01, 2011, 01:44:20 AM

[Tycho]

Seen any botnet activity on your pool?
BTCmine says they have seen some
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4251.msg61724#msg61724

might pay to watch out.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 01, 2011, 02:04:30 AM
Seen any botnet activity on your pool?
I have no reasons to suspect my users of illegal activity yet.

...says they have seen some
might pay to watch out.
That's a very strange decision.
Of course i'm not going to close registration, new users are welcome :)


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 01, 2011, 04:35:10 AM
What exactly is "botnet" illegal activity?  Something to do with IRC?  How would this affect the pool?


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on May 01, 2011, 04:43:10 AM
What exactly is "botnet" illegal activity?  Something to do with IRC?  How would this affect the pool?

I think botnet to flood pool, so pool can't operate & goes down.
If pool goes down, then only option is solo mining & those with Ghash/s computer network only gets all coins.
All other forced to BUY instead of mining.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 01, 2011, 05:09:24 AM

The argument is that it is unethical for a pool operator to allow a botnet to be connected to the pool so that stolen CPU time can make money on their pool.

It would be pretty obvious if there were accounts with thousands of workers submitting sub-CPU level hashrates.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dbitcoin on May 01, 2011, 06:47:29 AM
The main arguments is:
1) I'm do not want lost my servers and break good relations with my hosting.
2) I'm not need investigations (or actions) from FBI or similar gov. organizations

Abuses for such botnet activities - only matter a time.
BTC prices too high now, black market morons (or just stupid persons) start use this.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 01, 2011, 07:17:33 AM
Seen any botnet activity on your pool?
I have no reasons to suspect my users of illegal activity yet.

...says they have seen some
might pay to watch out.
That's a very strange decision.
Of course i'm not going to close registration, new users are welcome :)
Just please be careful and monitor your pool closely.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: winnetou on May 01, 2011, 11:07:05 AM
problem solved


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 01, 2011, 11:14:30 AM
I justed tested your service. My ufasoft miner is running with 2mhash since 30minutes but in My Account I can not see any activity! Is it required to run the official client while mining with a rpc?
No.
Average time to generate one share with 2 MH/s is 35 minutes and 47 seconds
So there may be no activity even for one hour (depends on your luck).
When a valid share will be received from you, worker name in the table will turn blue - it means that everything is working.

Remember that balance and blocks history are updated once per hour.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: winnetou on May 01, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
my client is mining and successfully connected but it is not listed green in My Account settings :/ damn =( can somebody help me?


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 01, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
my client is mining and successfully connected but it is not listed green in My Account settings :/ damn =( can somebody help me?
It should be blue approximately at least once per hour.
Number of received shares should be greater than 0, but you may need to wait ~20-60 minutes for this.

2 MH/s is a VERY slow mining speed because you are mining with your CPU.
GPU miners run on average at 100-600 MH/s, so their stats are much easier to track on the site.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: DiabloD3 on May 01, 2011, 04:57:57 PM
DiabloMiner now supports long polling (after much requesting).


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 01, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
Question: In my bitcoin client I added the 0.01 transaction fee

do I need to increase what I send by 0.01 or will it pull extra to cover that fee, or will it subtract from the amount I send (meaning the recipient gets less)

Thx


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: frycicle on May 01, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
The site is getting really big. We were at 270 Gh/s this morning.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JohnDn on May 01, 2011, 08:31:24 PM
Hi,

I've been having a few problems with your website lately, taking a long time to load..
It's got to be on my side because it's only like that in Chrome, no problem with Firefox... any idea what could be causing this ? (Win7)

Besides that, I've been using your pool for a while now and really enjoy it, keep up the good work  ;)


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 01, 2011, 09:00:32 PM
Slush is not far behind.   However I am in a quandary as to which pool to stick with in the near term.  Slush only takes 2% and Tycho takes 3%, but the difference from long polling and invalids has been no more than 0.5%, so over time payout is slightly better with Slush.  Pretty miniscule overall.  Scoring on Slush is a slight disadvantage due to the need to shut down miners for small periods of time (my 6970 hangs when I try to watch any internet browser embedded video) which means accidental browsing to a page with a video on it (most news sites) will hang my computer, so I need to shut down the miner for some types of web browsing.  Advantage deepbit until slush implements long polling.

Also, I am a little worried about what was announced for BTCMine that closed down new registration.  Where are the reassurances that this can't happen in the two largest pools (potentially undetected).  Having said that, payout want doing do well when I was with them, so I left, but since I left and the announcement, the variance has definitely been in their favor.  Short term I know.

In short, the future holds a lit of promise for the pool that can break out with the best combination of features, fees and security is going to win the battle.

I think BTCMine made a mistake by going to 0% and relying upon donations (I think they will eventually shut down with that move).


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 01, 2011, 09:22:45 PM
Question: In my bitcoin client I added the 0.01 transaction fee

do I need to increase what I send by 0.01 or will it pull extra to cover that fee, or will it subtract from the amount I send (meaning the recipient gets less)

Thx

If I am not mistaken, the 0.01 is taken out automatically when you send money.  The fee is added to whoever creates the block which holds your transaction and charges a fee.  Honestly, unless you solo mine our need very fast transaction execution, you probably shouldn't bother with using the transaction fee in you bitcoin client.  After the mining phase of bitcoin is over, then you may want to use a transaction fee.  For now, keep it free for the little guys (the big guys can charge each other if they want too).


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: drgr33n on May 02, 2011, 12:53:41 AM
I know I've said this before but is the server down ? I'm getting a 500 error on the website ?


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Digigami on May 02, 2011, 12:55:44 AM
I belive the whole pool is down... all my miners connected to deepbit are saying "Problems communicating with boitcoin RPC"

Hope this is just a temporary outtage


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: crosslider on May 02, 2011, 12:57:04 AM
500 Internal Server Error
nginx/1.0.0

Connections Problems


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: thisisharsh on May 02, 2011, 12:57:56 AM
Wow, I literally just a minute ago withdrew all my 1.76 bitcoins (lol) from deepbit, then it went down! Hope it wasn't my fault!

Only noticed when my PC suddenly went quiet.  Don't realise how loud a mining operation is until it dies.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on May 02, 2011, 12:58:19 AM
Its down guys.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Digigami on May 02, 2011, 01:00:29 AM
All miners are back up and running now  :)


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: thisisharsh on May 02, 2011, 01:01:01 AM
Phew!  Back up.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: ancow on May 02, 2011, 01:01:38 AM
Yeah, how dare he have a 5 minute outage... :P


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on May 02, 2011, 01:12:26 AM
Yeah, how dare he have a 5 minute outage... :P
  ::)


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 01:13:31 AM
I just switched deepbit to another server.
Sorry for this pause :)


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on May 02, 2011, 01:21:00 AM
I just switched deepbit to another server.
Sorry for this pause :)

GRAAAAAH! How dare you take down the service for our benefit!


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 02, 2011, 01:29:35 AM
I just switched deepbit to another server.
Sorry for this pause :)

Did you switch servers because of the outage our as an upgrade?


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Mugabuga on May 02, 2011, 01:30:25 AM
Did you switch servers because of the outage our as an upgrade?

I want to know this too.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 01:51:52 AM
I just switched deepbit to another server.
Sorry for this pause :)
Did you switch servers because of the outage our as an upgrade?
Technical problems unrelated to mining, don't worry - it will not affect you. As you may see (well, after the one hour delay :), some nice blocks were found around this time.

I hope that m0mchil or Kiv will implement my failover extension soon so the switching will be instant in case of something like this.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 02, 2011, 01:57:02 AM
A heads up is usually nice :$


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 02:05:11 AM
European server will be rebooted shortly, this will pause mining for 2 minutes and will only affect 20% of users.
If you see some problems with RPC connection during this time - it means that your DNS server is not respecting TTL field and you should consider using some good and fast DNS like Google Public DNS (http://code.google.com/intl/ru/speed/public-dns/)

EDIT: Reboots are over, everything is fine.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on May 02, 2011, 04:24:17 AM
Seems many thing happened while i was sleeping & after i woke up, i saw everything running smooth only.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 05:04:59 AM
Seems many thing happened while i was sleeping & after i woke up, i saw everything running smooth only.
You didn't missed anything, it was only a few minutes long.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on May 02, 2011, 05:09:24 AM
ya, its not abt pool only, just read mtgox & another exchange fight.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 02, 2011, 05:27:06 AM
Slush is not far behind.   However I am in a quandary as to which pool to stick with in the near term.  Slush only takes 2% and Tycho takes 3%, but the difference from long polling and invalids has been no more than 0.5%, so over time payout is slightly better with Slush.  Pretty miniscule overall.  Scoring on Slush is a slight disadvantage due to the need to shut down miners for small periods of time (my 6970 hangs when I try to watch any internet browser embedded video) which means accidental browsing to a page with a video on it (most news sites) will hang my computer, so I need to shut down the miner for some types of web browsing.  Advantage deepbit until slush implements long polling.

Also, I am a little worried about what was announced for BTCMine that closed down new registration.  Where are the reassurances that this can't happen in the two largest pools (potentially undetected).  Having said that, payout want doing do well when I was with them, so I left, but since I left and the announcement, the variance has definitely been in their favor.  Short term I know.

In short, the future holds a lit of promise for the pool that can break out with the best combination of features, fees and security is going to win the battle.

I think BTCMine made a mistake by going to 0% and relying upon donations (I think they will eventually shut down with that move).

I change my mind about BTCMine's decision to block open registration.  They did implement a method for automatic donation and that changes my perspective on their decision greatly.  I have more hardware online (provided the main board is intact ... waiting on new PSU) and feel they may be the best choice available to me ... I need to give it some time similar to what I have given Slush and Deepbit.

I think the market drop may be a combination of the closing of PayPal with Coinpal and the fear that the same thing will happen to Mtgox.  The need for a new exchange to cash is a great opportunity, but until then, there will be some depression knowing that it may be difficult to get bitcoins exchanged.  Also, I think that the reason for BTCMine closing registration may be valid and potentially systemic in the pools.  I hope not, but I don't like the odds after all the sudden profit taking.  Tycho and Slush, please watch your pools.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
It's got to be on my side because it's only like that in Chrome, no problem with Firefox... any idea what could be causing this ? (Win7)
Is the issue gone now or not ?

Besides that, I've been using your pool for a while now and really enjoy it, keep up the good work  ;)
Thanks, you are welcome :)


Title: Re: [~290 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JohnDn on May 02, 2011, 11:36:41 AM
I will check as soon as i get home tonight  ;)


Title: Re: [~290 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Convery on May 02, 2011, 11:51:06 AM
So, how's the progress with implementing paypal payouts?


Title: Re: [~290 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 11:57:33 AM
So, how's the progress with implementing paypal payouts?
Not so good because of the situation with coinpal/coincard. But i'm trying to find another way to do this.


Title: Re: [~270 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JohnDn on May 02, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
It's got to be on my side because it's only like that in Chrome, no problem with Firefox... any idea what could be causing this ? (Win7)
Is the issue gone now or not ?

It seems to be, thanks ! (what was it from ?)


Title: No Payment
Post by: imolaavant on May 02, 2011, 05:06:38 PM
I requested a payout 2 1/2 hours ago.  The amount was deducted from my account, but has not been received by my wallet (I'm using mybitcoin and the same address I've used for all my other payouts).  When I click on the date on my deepbit payout screen I get a "No Such Transaction" page on blockexplorer.  Where did my payment go?


Title: Re: No Payment
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 05:57:44 PM
I requested a payout 2 1/2 hours ago.  The amount was deducted from my account, but has not been received by my wallet (I'm using mybitcoin and the same address I've used for all my other payouts).  When I click on the date on my deepbit payout screen I get a "No Such Transaction" page on blockexplorer.  Where did my payment go?
Blockexprorer shows your transaction only after it's inclusion in the block.
If your transaction is not in the block yet, you can search for it in the queue: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin

If you think that something is wrong - PM me your login name and i'll check it myself.


Title: Re: No Payment
Post by: imolaavant on May 02, 2011, 06:12:21 PM
Blockexprorer shows your transaction only after it's inclusion in the block.
If your transaction is not in the block yet, you can search for it in the queue: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin

If you think that something is wrong - PM me your login name and i'll check it myself.

Yup, it shows in the queue.  I've never had a transaction take so long to work it's way through the system.  Thanks for the info and the link.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: frycicle on May 02, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
Somebody should post a guide on overclockers.com to get this pool to grow even larger.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Kick on May 02, 2011, 06:58:11 PM
Somebody should post a guide on overclockers.com to get this pool to grow even larger.

I'd rather not


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 02, 2011, 06:59:19 PM
Somebody should post a guide on overclockers.com to get this pool to grow even larger.

I'd rather not
same

Market needs to stabilize after the stupidity of overclock.net


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JohnDn on May 02, 2011, 07:43:26 PM
Pool is now at more than 400 GHash/s  :o
only a spike, going back down..


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on May 02, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
Tycho, my local time is now 10:47PM. From 03:51:51 I've got
Quote
Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

The system wasted a lot of time...

Another:

Quote
03:58:55, Deepbit is temporarily unavailable

Quote
Listener for "deepbit2": 02/05/2011 05:17:39, can't find a master
Listener for "deepbit3": 02/05/2011 05:17:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "deepbit3": 02/05/2011 05:17:43, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

The machine got the work at:

Quote
Listener for "deepbit 1": 02/05/2011 05:25:37, long poll: new block 00006c6608538a95
Last block is at:
Quote
Listener for "deepbit 1": 02/05/2011 22:41:36, long poll: new block 00004bccaf3eb0f1

With speed almost 1Ghash/s my earnings didn't rise from 3.04083244 BTC for about 5 and a half hours. Explanations or I must mark that as bad luck + waste of energy?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on May 02, 2011, 07:54:21 PM
something is wrong?!
the sudden and rapid ups and downs in hash power
and the 3 hours delay f finding a block are not good !


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 08:13:07 PM
something is wrong?!
the sudden and rapid ups and downs in hash power
and the 3 hours delay f finding a block are not good !
That long block is already solved. It was the longest one found by our pool :)

About the hashrate jumps - now checking it, may be a display bug.
While i'm fixing it, payments are paused for a short period.

Don't worry, will be available soon.

EDIT: Unusually high hashrate readings in last hour were caused by speed calculation bug. Bug fixed, payments are released.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 02, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
Why the fuck is MtGox getting ddos again?

What kind of asshole is doing this....

edit: i had an intteruption in my mining via deepbit... what was this one about?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 08:39:10 PM
edit: i had an intteruption in my mining via deepbit... what was this one about?
Look at the previous post. Everything is fixed already.
Sorry for interruption.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 02, 2011, 08:40:37 PM
edit: i had an intteruption in my mining via deepbit... what was this one about?
Look at the previous post. Everything is fixed already.
Sorry for interruption.

Did you pause it more than once? I had an interruption twice about 30 minutes ago.. I thoght what you posted was referring to what happened overnight for me
Quote
02/05/2011 13:40:29, fc56ae8b, accepted
02/05/2011 13:40:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
02/05/2011 13:40:46, long poll: new block 00001871dc8e7e90
02/05/2011 13:41:26, 0ba39d18, accepted
333104 khash/s


What's this?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: fasti on May 02, 2011, 08:43:27 PM
Got couple of those as well. And now I'm seeing "warning: job finished, miner is idle" two times within a minute, haven't had that happening before.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 08:44:30 PM
Tycho, my local time is now 10:47PM. From 03:51:51 I've got
Quote
Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
The system wasted a lot of time...
Looks like your DNS is faulty and didn't switched to alternative mining server when the main one was under maintenance. Consider using some good server like Google's public DNS service.

Sorry for this.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Kick on May 02, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
holy crap. finally deepbit.net is back to its snappy self.

it used to be instantaneous load when i click on statistics or my account in deepbit

then it went downhill and i would have to wait awhile

now it's back to its original self! yee


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 02, 2011, 08:47:43 PM
holy crap. finally deepbit.net is back to its snappy self.

it used to be instantaneous load when i click on statistics or my account in deepbit

then it went downhill and i would have to wait awhile

now it's back to its original self! yee

wow this is huge improvement, i just noticed i'm not waiting ~10 seconds to load anymore, thank you

Tycho, do you take donations? I may send some btc to support you! :D


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 08:54:25 PM
holy crap. finally deepbit.net is back to its snappy self.
now it's back to its original self! yee
The advice about DNS server goes to you too.
Usually slow page loads are experienced when you use backup server instead of main one, so it would be nice to know, why that happened to you.

wow this is huge improvement, i just noticed i'm not waiting ~10 seconds to load anymore, thank you
Tycho, do you take donations? I may send some btc to support you! :D
...and to you too. Hey, people, WHY didn't anyone told me about the slow loading ? I just didn't knew about it...
Thanks for your support. Address for donations is in the bottom left corner of the site, but it was just my job to fix things :)


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 02, 2011, 08:56:39 PM
holy crap. finally deepbit.net is back to its snappy self.
now it's back to its original self! yee
The advice about DNS server goes to you too.
Usually slow page loads are experienced when you use backup server instead of main one, so it would be nice to know, why that happened to you.

wow this is huge improvement, i just noticed i'm not waiting ~10 seconds to load anymore, thank you
Tycho, do you take donations? I may send some btc to support you! :D
...and to you too. Hey, people, WHY didn't anyone told me about the slow loading ? I just didn't knew about it...
Thanks for your support. Address for donations is in the bottom left corner of the site, but it was just my job to fix things :)

It is your job indeed, I won't disagree, but its nice that you're also active in the community. Also, LOL@Nobody complaining haha, I figured it was cus ppl would slap F5 waiting for their balance to go up HAHA

I'll be donating once MtGox stops getting fucked and I can get my USD traded to BTC


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: FoS on May 02, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
When I try to refresh balance in GUIMiner with my API it says Connection error. Some kind of bug?? Can you take a view for it Trycho? It works good for me 2 hours ago.
Thank you in advance ;)


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 02, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
When I try to refresh balance in GUIMiner with my API it says Connection error. Some kind of bug?? Can you take a view for it Trycho? It works good for me 2 hours ago.
Should be fixed at this moment already, try again.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: FoS on May 02, 2011, 09:10:39 PM
Perfect now, ty ;)


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Kick on May 02, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
holy crap. finally deepbit.net is back to its snappy self.
now it's back to its original self! yee
The advice about DNS server goes to you too.
Usually slow page loads are experienced when you use backup server instead of main one, so it would be nice to know, why that happened to you.

wow this is huge improvement, i just noticed i'm not waiting ~10 seconds to load anymore, thank you
Tycho, do you take donations? I may send some btc to support you! :D
...and to you too. Hey, people, WHY didn't anyone told me about the slow loading ? I just didn't knew about it...
Thanks for your support. Address for donations is in the bottom left corner of the site, but it was just my job to fix things :)

Yeah, ive been meaning to, but that would mean a restart and a restart is a PITA right now even though an SSD makes it boot faster.


gotta start up. login. open realtemp, msi AB, gui miner, change a few settignfs here and there. blargh.

doesnt sound too bad now that i think about it.

So google's dns is recommended?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 02, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
Yeah Google's DNS IMO is the best.

http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JoeTheTech on May 03, 2011, 12:03:38 AM
I see some are having DNS problems and others recommending Googles DNS. I would like to recommend, to those on a Windows system, to give DNS benchmark a try by Steve Gibson http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm. Using this tool you can find the best DNS server for your connection.

Quote from page
  "The point made above about the suitability to you of candidate nameservers is a crucial one, since everything is about where you are located relative to the nameservers being tested. You might see someone talking about how fast some specific DNS nameservers are for them, but unless you share their location there's absolutely no guarantee that the same nameservers would perform as well for you. ONLY by benchmarking DNS resolvers from your own location, as this DNS Benchmark does, can you compare nameserver performance where it matters . . . right where you're computer is."

Mr. Gibson's knowledge of networks has been a great help to me for many years. I hope he can help you, if you are in the need, as well.

By the way he is a Bitcoin solo miner and has done a very nice netcast about Bitcoin http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-287.htm

Cheers


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Loader009 on May 03, 2011, 12:26:46 AM
Today I got no stales...
Is that normal? I mean, in the last few weeks I got about 1% stales, it should be about 4-5 today.
I'll report next day again, if I get no stales.
Greetz


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 03, 2011, 12:49:49 AM
I see some are having DNS problems and others recommending Googles DNS. I would like to recommend, to those on a Windows system, to give DNS benchmark a try by Steve Gibson http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm. Using this tool you can find the best DNS server for your connection.
No, it's another problem.
Those DNS-servers don't respect TTL field and still point to an old IP when it should be new already.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TurdHurdur on May 03, 2011, 01:34:57 AM
I'd suggest sticking with local servers found by http://code.google.com/p/namebench/


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sc8nt4u on May 03, 2011, 05:10:33 AM
Is there script/software out there to let me know that my worker has stopped working from the API token?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 03, 2011, 05:22:07 AM
Is there script/software out there to let me know that my worker has stopped working from the API token?

yep.

http://btc.imnotacyb.org/dbm/


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on May 03, 2011, 07:13:03 AM
For Windows based mining rigs it's good to use apps such as FastCache or similar and setup them to renew locally stored ips<->domains on every 24 hours. This should be enough to make the mining more reliable cause for example Google DNS servers don't provide 99.9999% online service.

Running a script and a daemon that do this on some distro is good decision too...


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 03, 2011, 07:17:09 AM
For Windows based mining rigs it's good to use apps such as FastCache or similar and setup them to renew locally stored ips<->domains on every 24 hours. This should be enough to make the mining more reliable cause for example Google DNS servers don't provide 99.9999% online service.
Manually restricting refresh to 24 hours will make things much worse, don't do that.

DNS record for deepbit can be updated automatically to move miners from one server to another.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on May 03, 2011, 07:21:34 AM
Refresh in 24 hours for 4-5 addresses shouldn't be a problem. Problem is when the majority of low-cost ISPs have crappy DNS service and maintenance ...


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TurboK on May 03, 2011, 10:21:47 AM
One thing I noticed, when using Pay-per-share, the history column will not tell me how much BTC I made in the last 24 hours. Can a counter be added there, something that keeps count of how many shares I completed in the last 24h?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Kick on May 03, 2011, 10:30:18 AM
One thing I noticed, when using Pay-per-share, the history column will not tell me how much BTC I made in the last 24 hours. Can a counter be added there, something that keeps count of how many shares I completed in the last 24h?

every 24 hours, u should just reset share counter and do the math yourself for now


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 12:36:37 PM
Yeah, ive been meaning to, but that would mean a restart and a restart is a PITA right now even though an SSD makes it boot faster.


gotta start up. login. open realtemp, msi AB, gui miner, change a few settignfs here and there. blargh.

doesnt sound too bad now that i think about it.

So google's dns is recommended?

A Windows machine shouldn't require a reboot when changing network settings, but 2K/XP does (Vista and 7 do as well if you change work group or domain name, but not if you make DNS changes ... and for me, I just do it on my router anyway, so it is transparent to all networked devices).

As far as the rest, put shortcuts to them in your start up folder.  Afterburner can be configured to start with windows as can your bitcoin client.  At least with deepbit.net, you don't loose a ton of "work" if you are forced to reboot towards the end of a long round [the score based servers really ding you for that ... I changed my mind and prefer proportional :)].


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on May 03, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
Since 11:00 CET we probably hit again another large block  ???


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 01:23:17 PM
Since 11:00 CET we probably hit again another large block  ???

Difficulty is increasing ... although maybe this correction and the lack of fund pouring in will slow this down some.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: sniper_sniperson on May 03, 2011, 01:31:11 PM
Heh, so fast? Since 4-5 hours I didn't go up above 1.50135069 BTC, pretty funny isn't it?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
Heh, so fast? Since 4-5 hours I didn't go up above 1.50135069 BTC, pretty funny isn't it?

Not at all, but consider working in a small pool or solo mining and the variance can kill you if you expect consistent payout ... especially with the difficulty rising so fast.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on May 03, 2011, 02:22:13 PM
difficulty CANNOT/WILL NOT rise beyond 109670 until the block 122976


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 02:37:16 PM
difficulty CANNOT/WILL NOT rise beyond 109670 until the block 122976

Sure, but my hope is that with recent events it will not rise or not rise much for a change.  Even better would be a drop; but I think there is a latency period where people are still bringing new hardware online in spite of the market correction and Paypal cut off.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TurboK on May 03, 2011, 05:28:32 PM
One thing I noticed, when using Pay-per-share, the history column will not tell me how much BTC I made in the last 24 hours. Can a counter be added there, something that keeps count of how many shares I completed in the last 24h?

every 24 hours, u should just reset share counter and do the math yourself for now

... or just write down the current btc amount I have every 24h. Yeah, I'm doing it now, but it would be more user friendly to have a counter.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VTCarter on May 03, 2011, 05:53:02 PM
Technical question, the smallest unit processable by a bitcoin client is a block is it not? What then comprises a share? Or is it a matter of blocks somehow being further divisible?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 05:56:21 PM
Technical question, the smallest unit processable by a bitcoin client is a block is it not? What then comprises a share? Or is it a matter of blocks somehow being further divisible?

Shares are parts of a block.  Only one share has the solution to the block.  That makes it very ready to distribute work in a pool.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VTCarter on May 03, 2011, 06:09:32 PM
Technical question, the smallest unit processable by a bitcoin client is a block is it not? What then comprises a share? Or is it a matter of blocks somehow being further divisible?

Shares are parts of a block.  Only one share has the solution to the block.  That makes it very ready to distribute work in a pool.

so each miner client still attempts to process the 'current' block' submitting their answers , each answer submitted is a share but only one will be 'first' and thus have the solution for the block . Is that correct? Forgive my confusion I just want to be sure I understand it correctly.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 06:14:40 PM
Yes, correct.  But remember that multiple pools and solo miners are all working on the same block trying to be first.  When a win is reported, others quit working on that block [further work on that block results in stale shares].  So, one "round" in a pool is the time from the solution of one block to the solution of the next block and the round is worth 50BTC total to the pool divided according to their agreement with the miners.  A "round" may span work over many many blocks before a solution is found and the 50BTC awarded.

Clear as mud?  :)


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: VTCarter on May 03, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
actually, very clear ty, have a half bit on me


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 03, 2011, 07:04:34 PM
Got it ... Thank you much.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: crosslider on May 03, 2011, 08:11:50 PM
Hi [Tycho] I had set in "Minimum value for automatic payment" 50, why did sent me a payment of 20 right now? I haven't used instant payout.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 03, 2011, 08:15:01 PM
Hi [Tycho] I had set in "Minimum value for automatic payment" 50, why did sent me a payment of 20 right now? I haven't used instant payout.
There were no payments of 20 BTC in last autopayout. PM me your login name so i can check.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: crosslider on May 03, 2011, 08:41:15 PM
Hi [Tycho] I had set in "Minimum value for automatic payment" 50, why did sent me a payment of 20 right now? I haven't used instant payout.
There were no payments of 20 BTC in last autopayout. PM me your login name so i can check.

Done.


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: kindle on May 04, 2011, 04:11:35 AM
Hi Tycho just to check does a total shares (bold) under statistics mean anything?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on May 04, 2011, 04:25:40 AM
it means you have found a block! well done :)


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 04:55:32 AM
UPDATE:
  • Pool interface is partially translated to russian language, you can enable this option in your advanced settings.

Hi Tycho just to check does a total shares (bold) under statistics mean anything?
Yes, it's block found by you :)

it means you have found a block! well done :)
Thanks for help :)


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: kindle on May 04, 2011, 07:15:36 AM
UPDATE:
  • Pool interface is partially translated to russian language, you can enable this option in your advanced settings.

Hi Tycho just to check does a total shares (bold) under statistics mean anything?
Yes, it's block found by you :)

it means you have found a block! well done :)
Thanks for help :)

Wow thanks. I was having super bad luck for a week + on my solo mine and I just started full mining on the pool and I strike a block. Thanks!
Though I am feeling abit =~


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
Wow thanks. I was having super bad luck for a week + on my solo mine and I just started full mining on the pool and I strike a block. Thanks!
Though I am feeling abit =~

Similar thing happened to me.  With my NVidia 570GTX (~133MH/s at the time), I found two blocks in a short period of time on deepbit.  I have updated to a Radeon 6970 and haven't found one yet [in any pool] and it runs about 366MH/s currently.

BTW, if you go to your account and hit the advanced settings button, down under the BBCode textbox is a line that says how many blocks you have found historically.  Just a little tip.

Tycho - if you read this, I think that could be located a little more prominently in a better location if you get around to doing it.  Just a suggestion.  Thanks.



Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eleuthria on May 04, 2011, 03:55:03 PM
Seconding what Veldy said.  I'd love to see the Found Blocks actually associated with the workers similar to how slush shows it.  That way when I have to take my anger out on a rig I know which one has been slacking!

And any chance of being able to rename workers soon?


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: TheShoura on May 04, 2011, 04:19:47 PM
I would like to be able to rename workers too

I have a question though, do I put all my machines on the same worker, is this a bad thing? I'm rather curious if I should split them up...

does it matter? Or is it just a preference for you guys to keep track of each rig?


Title: Re: [~300 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: kindle on May 04, 2011, 04:36:53 PM

BTW, if you go to your account and hit the advanced settings button, down under the BBCode textbox is a line that says how many blocks you have found historically.  Just a little tip.


Hey thanks for the tip! I dint notice that!


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 07:58:17 PM
I have a question though, do I put all my machines on the same worker, is this a bad thing? I'm rather curious if I should split them up...
does it matter? Or is it just a preference for you guys to keep track of each rig?
If you don't use the long polling, you can put unlimited number of miners on the same worker credentials. If your client supports long polling then I would recommend creating new worker account for each 10 miners (there is a trigger that suspects LP malfunction if you use more than 20 LP clients on one worker, but if you really need more - I can disable it by request).


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Bitcoineruk on May 04, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Is there any explanation why i never go below 700 in my mining client, but frequently recently go too 500 mhash/s in the stats?


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 10:55:53 PM
I have noticed a lot of communication failures to the pool.  I see the hash rate drop suddenly [and my fan quiet down and a second later everything is back to normal.

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:31:30, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:34:23, long poll: new block 000080247f9334f1
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:37:18, long poll: new block 00000182fab8bdec
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:43:35, long poll: new block 000026c251a79438
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:45:57, long poll: new block 0000781183a2e1a9
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:46:43, long poll: new block 00000b3542f08cdc
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:40, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:47, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC


I didn't have this problem using Slush or BTCMine, but there are reasons that I am using deepbit right now.

Tycho ... do you know what is going on?  BTW ... I have been using Google DNS for months (I figure nothing on the Internet is truly private these days, so at least the blame can all fall on one company :) ).

It just happened again less than a couple of minutes later ... note the overlap here for context.

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:46:43, long poll: new block 00000b3542f08cdc
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:40, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:47, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:56:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 10:59:15 PM
Is there any explanation why i never go below 700 in my mining client, but frequently recently go too 500 mhash/s in the stats?
If you are using proportional mode - look at your history column for more realistic speed guesstimation.
Also you may be using phoenix miner, many users reported that it's internal hashrate meter may show higher values.

I have noticed a lot of communication failures to the pool.  I see the hash rate drop suddenly [and my fan quiet down and a second later everything is back to normal.

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:40, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:47, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
It just happened again less than a couple of minutes later ... note the overlap here for context.
What miner do you use ?


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
GUIMiner v2011-04-26

Passing -v -w 128 -f 40 for my Radeon 6970.

Looking over the last 24 hours, this has happened several times.  VPN is stable, Netflix doesn't hiccup, connections elsewhere are very stable.  This appears to be outside of Comcast ... can't say whether it is your servers or network unless I can run diagnostics on it when it happens and if the "mini outage" is long enough to do so.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Bitcoineruk on May 04, 2011, 11:06:03 PM
Thanks for the reply, im using the new windows GUI interface with a 6990, usage never drops through afterburner and hash rate (according to clint never wavers too much at all) is this a client problem? do I need to ask nicely for them to fix it? (Im doing Pay per share - which is why it matters)


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Here is a list starting when I first started seeing it.  Note this is long ...

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:03:34, long poll: new block 000035eb555f7109
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:16:05, long poll: new block 00000783c8fcd3c4
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:17:53, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:17:53, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:18:09, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:18:10, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:18:18, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:18:32, long poll: new block 000012af4599a6e0
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:19:23, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:19:23, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:19:33, long poll: new block 000056dd26cf24b3
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:26:33, long poll: new block 000026ffb9405747
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:35:30, long poll: new block 0000197f32cec885
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:39:12, long poll: new block 0000141f10dd8139
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:42:13, long poll: new block 00005863965ade33
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:46:51, long poll: new block 000022695f4cbb69
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 13:50:06, long poll: new block 00001aa30d88f230
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 14:04:12, long poll: new block 000039f548f245f7
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 14:05:45, long poll: new block 000008ded7e6be58
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 14:44:16, long poll: new block 0000764562ab68c2
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 14:47:11, long poll: new block 000023cfd11507d9
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 14:57:00, long poll: new block 00005eb077fca76b
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:12:13, long poll: new block 0000855b0b0af926
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:14:59, long poll: new block 000061bc76e3466e
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:17:39, long poll: new block 00006a2c9b40a8d1
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:21:34, long poll: new block 00004a1accfc9fe4
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:22:37, long poll: new block 00009368dccdd23c
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:34:17, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:35:22, long poll: new block 000081a7f8408258
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:46:16, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:46:16, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:50:03, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:50:03, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:51:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:51:46, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:52:47, long poll: new block 0000967a22b958bc
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 15:54:32, long poll: new block 00000f5e7fb39e76
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:00:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:00:42, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:05:25, warning: job finished, miner is idle

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:09:38, long poll: new block 000068407a6768ab
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:11:11, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:11:11, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:16:17, long poll: new block 00004c05f2ed4597
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:17:56, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:22:00, long poll: new block 00007a7aa1116f24
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:22:11, long poll: new block 000094f254e851f0
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:24:32, long poll: new block 000070109bf8c695
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:44:01, long poll: new block 00006d431e05f644
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:45:17, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:46:57, long poll: new block 00007cfedffce7a2
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:48:54, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:51:55, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:51:55, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:53:23, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:53:24, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 16:57:46, warning: job finished, miner is idle

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:09:47, long poll: new block 000074f180ae5f0a
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:10:34, long poll: new block 000001b34fa555da
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:13:18, long poll: new block 0000151e507c76ad
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:24:22, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:26:38, long poll: new block 00002f3427f02d18
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:31:29, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:31:30, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:34:23, long poll: new block 000080247f9334f1
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:37:18, long poll: new block 00000182fab8bdec
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:43:35, long poll: new block 000026c251a79438
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:45:57, long poll: new block 0000781183a2e1a9
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:46:43, long poll: new block 00000b3542f08cdc
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:40, warning: job finished, miner is idle
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:48:47, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:56:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle

Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:58:09, long poll: new block 0000094d2c016d84
Listener for "Deepbit": 04/05/2011 17:58:59, long poll: new block 000066b8b1805c35


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 11:10:16 PM
Thanks for the reply, im using the new windows GUI interface with a 6990, usage never drops through afterburner and hash rate (according to clint never wavers too much at all) is this a client problem? do I need to ask nicely for them to fix it? (Im doing Pay per share - which is why it matters)
Set your averaging window to 30 minutes in advanced settings and try again - then luck meter will be more precise. Short drops or peaks are absolutely normal because sometimes you are more lucky and sometimes not.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 11:16:13 PM
Here is a list starting when I first started seeing it.  Note this is long ...
Open your command prompt and try the following commands:

nslookup deepbit.net

And

telnet deepbit.net 8332

Tell me what outputs do you get.
Also you'd better send that long log to my PM, not here :)


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 11:20:21 PM
Here is a list starting when I first started seeing it.  Note this is long ...
Open your command prompt and try the following commands:

nslookup deepbit.net

And

telnet deepbit.net 8332

Tell me what outputs do you get.
Also you'd better send that long log to my PM, not here :)

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    deepbit.net
Address:  46.4.99.204

telnet makes a connection, but no text response.  I hit ctrl-c to break the connection and get:

 <html>
<head><title>400 Bad Request</title></head>
<body bgcolor="white">
<center><h1>400 Bad Request</h1></center>
<hr><center>nginx/1.0.0</center>
</body>
</html>


Connection to host lost.

Traceroute shows a convoluted route through what looks like France and Germany.

Tracing route to deepbit.net [46.4.99.204]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     7 ms     6 ms     7 ms  73.115.174.1
  2     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  ge-9-1-ur02.hamlake.mn.minn.comcast.net [68.85.165.229]
  3     8 ms     9 ms     *     te-0-3-0-2-ar01.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net [68.87.174.70]
  4    19 ms    17 ms    18 ms  te-0-4-0-0-cr01.chicago.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.137]
  5    94 ms    53 ms    54 ms  pos-2-10-0-0-cr01.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.113]
  6    54 ms    53 ms    53 ms  pos-0-4-0-0-pe01.111eighthave.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.85.22]
  7    53 ms     *       53 ms  nyk-s2-rou-1001.us.eurorings.net [75.149.228.126]
  8    82 ms    53 ms    53 ms  nyk-s2-rou-1021.US.eurorings.net [134.222.226.38]
  9   157 ms   149 ms   133 ms  nntr-s1-rou-1022.FR.eurorings.net [134.222.226.162]
 10   143 ms   141 ms   141 ms  ffm-s1-rou-1022.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.229.30]
 11     *      141 ms   189 ms  ffm-s1-rou-1021.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.231.141]
 12   147 ms   145 ms   145 ms  nbg-s1-rou-1001.DE.eurorings.net [134.222.225.26]
 13   145 ms   147 ms   146 ms  kpn-gw.hetzner.de [134.222.107.21]
 14   163 ms   150 ms   160 ms  hos-bb2.juniper1.fs.hetzner.de [213.239.240.146]
 15   148 ms   151 ms   174 ms  hos-tr1.ex3k7.rz14.hetzner.de [213.239.224.136]
 16     *      149 ms   152 ms  j2.deepbit.net [46.4.99.204]

Trace complete.

Also, the idle warnings are still occurring.



Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
telnet makes a connection, but no text response.  I hit ctrl-c to break the connection and get:
Looks fine to me.
PM me your login, i'll check my logs.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 11:27:11 PM
telnet makes a connection, but no text response.  I hit ctrl-c to break the connection and get:
Looks fine to me.
PM me your login, i'll check my logs.

Sent.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 04, 2011, 11:56:30 PM
This may correspond to the following "None" (I notice a few today).

Time/Link                      Found in   Total shares   Reward
04.05.2011 17:45:57      0h 08m    38530      0.05412665
04.05.2011 17:37:18      1h 15m    343831      0.05007547
04.05.2011 16:22:11      0h 00m    625         None
04.05.2011 16:22:00      0h 29m    134977      0.05138283


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 12:26:07 AM
This may correspond to the following "None" (I notice a few today).
04.05.2011 16:22:11      0h 00m    625         None
No, I think that there was "None" just because the round was only few seconds long.

I don't see anything wrong with you at my side, it's strange. May be you had some connection problems.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on May 05, 2011, 02:37:24 AM
I've had alot of those "none"s too


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: DareC on May 05, 2011, 02:48:48 AM
Quick question from a newbie:  is there a general consensus on the hashrate where proportional is more profitable than PPS (or vice versa) over the long-term?


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 02:49:55 AM
I've had alot of those "none"s too
It depends on your hashrate and payout mode.
In PPS mode it should be always "none" because PPS is not connected with blocks.
What is your hashrate ?

Quick question from a newbie:  is there a general consensus on the hashrate where proportional is more profitable than PPS (or vice versa) over the long-term?
It doesn't depends on your hashrate, only on pool's luck.
With PPS your income is always constant. With Proportional it will be more at normal and gool luck or less at bad luck times.


Title: Re: [~340 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Cablesaurus on May 05, 2011, 05:39:37 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?


Title: Re: [~340 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 05:53:20 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?

For me, as long as the threshold is low enough, payout is almost exactly 24 hours give or take [although the web interface may not reflect your balance until it is updated at the next hour mark.  My last two payouts were 23:12 yesterday and 23:30 today.  Maybe you are just not getting notified quickly via the bitcoin P2P cloud?  I usually get notification in my bitcoin client almost instantly however.

I hope that helps.


Title: Re: [~340 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 06:01:32 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
Well, actually there is no reason :)
Sometimes I run the payments manually to test if it's working after fixing something. But usually it should not pay automatically before 24 hours.
You don't need to worry while your money is not lost :)

I understand that some of you may use 24h-payments to measure daily income, then sorry for out-of-shedule ones.
I'll add "daily income" table soon.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: PiGames on May 05, 2011, 06:08:02 AM
Quick question from a newbie:  is there a general consensus on the hashrate where proportional is more profitable than PPS (or vice versa) over the long-term?

I mine at 150-220mhash/s (depends if im on my machine or not). And right now, Prop has paid out more than pps.
Since my last payout i've submitted 13660 shares.
PPS - 13660 @ .00041/ share = 5.604698 btc
Prop - same amount of shares = 6.07452664 btc

Of course..with a string of bad luck on the pool the difference would change.

I also avg .035btc/ block and love those <10min blocks  8)


Title: Re: [~340 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: luffy on May 05, 2011, 06:47:17 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics ;)


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: dishwara on May 05, 2011, 08:07:33 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics ;)

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: clonedone on May 05, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
hey tycho, i have been cashing out for the past week and recieved everyone except this one.

i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem

on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06   1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi...   12.24

this was on the list of payments.

i think it might be the ipod but iunno


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 12:28:08 PM
i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem

on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06   1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi...   12.24

i think it might be the ipod but iunno
I don't think that it may me caused by ipod.
What do you see when you click on the date and the wallet address ?
If you click on the date and blockexplorer shows "transaction not found" - can you find this transaction in the queue ? -
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin (http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin)

If it's in the blockexplorer or the queue, then everything is fine (you may need to wait a bit for it to make it's way from queue to blockchain). If not - PM me your login.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: luffy on May 05, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics ;)

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.

i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)

"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps

:)


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: clonedone on May 05, 2011, 12:43:56 PM
i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem

on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06   1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi...   12.24

i think it might be the ipod but iunno
I don't think that it may me caused by ipod.
What do you see when you click on the date and the wallet address ?
If you click on the date and blockexplorer shows "transaction not found" - can you find this transaction in the queue ? -
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin (http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin)

If it's in the blockexplorer or the queue, then everything is fine (you may need to wait a bit for it to make it's way from queue to blockchain). If not - PM me your login.

hmm honestly I dont know how to read what it says when i click on the date or my wallet number. heres what it says though for the date when clicked:

1    Not yet redeemed    12.24    1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ    Address    
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG

the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: clonedone on May 05, 2011, 01:06:41 PM
ahh nevermind i just got it thanks again


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 01:09:33 PM
hmm honestly I dont know how to read what it says when i click on the date or my wallet number. heres what it says though for the date when clicked:

1    Not yet redeemed    12.24    1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ    Address    
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG

the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks
If the bitcoincharts site says that coins are in your wallet already then it's ok.
If you still don't see them in your bitcoin client then you may have not downloaded the entire blockchain or you may need to rescan it.

I just checked myself - your money are in your wallet.


Title: Re: [~340 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 01:39:18 PM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
Well, actually there is no reason :)
Sometimes I run the payments manually to test if it's working after fixing something. But usually it should not pay automatically before 24 hours.
You don't need to worry while your money is not lost :)

I understand that some of you may use 24h-payments to measure daily income, then sorry for out-of-shedule ones.
I'll add "daily income" table soon.

You sure do a lot of testing on a live system.  You have been getting away without real harm so far, but since people notice, it is worth you considering running your testing on an offline system first [i.e. in this example, fill an imaginary account(s) with credits and send them to yourself].  One day, this is going to bite you if you cease to remain lucky.   We all know that luck plays a role in mining after all :).

A little friendly advice from a system software guy to you :).  Tinkering with live systems like this is like feeding a tiger a raw steak on your open palm, ask Roy Horn of Sigfried and Roy whose luck ran out. :(


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eleuthria on May 05, 2011, 01:54:39 PM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics ;)

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.

i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)

"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps

:)

Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 02:00:35 PM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics ;)

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.

i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)

"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps

:)

Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct.  It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative.  That means negative is lucky for the pool.  Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eleuthria on May 05, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct.  It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative.  That means negative is lucky for the pool.  Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.

That's what the '-' signifies.  '-' means blocks were being solved faster (fewer shares) than difficulty suggests.  When that happens, proportional produces higher payouts, since the block contained fewer shares.  The '+' signifies that blocks were going slower (more shares), which is when PPS has a higher payout.  Although I did oversimplify one part.  A small '+' would still favor proportional, due to the higher fee taken from PPS (10% vs 3%).


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
I registered on the site, as well as added my worker user/pass in my account. I'm not behind any wonky firewalls & I have a solid 20mbps connection pipe. When I run my miner, I get a flood of:


5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle

No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
I registered on the site, as well as added my worker user/pass in my account. I'm not behind any wonky firewalls & I have a solid 20mbps connection pipe. When I run my miner, I get a flood of:


5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle

No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?


Are you in the US? I think the problem is the trans-Atlantic link is glitchy.  It is certainly the largest hop by far!  deepbit.net is located in German [or at least is hosted there], and it seems other pools are in the US (not entirely sure) and thus this problem isn't being seen with those pools [or least, I haven't seen it].


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 03:09:16 PM
Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on May 05, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
What is your hashrate ?

It's between 233-239 Mhash/s ATM
(stock 5850)

EDIT: I use Proportional

when i didn't fully understood this (i still don't understand all) i was very paranoid and did hopping between PPS and Pro, then i finally made my mind and i've been using Pro for +2months and not going to switch back to PPS, no matter what :)


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 03:52:47 PM
Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 03:58:57 PM
What is your hashrate ?

It's between 233-239 Mhash/s ATM
(stock 5850)

EDIT: I use Proportional

when i didn't fully understood this (i still don't understand all) i was very paranoid and did hopping between PPS and Pro, then i finally made my mind and i've been using Pro for +2months and not going to switch back to PPS, no matter what :)

In your case, definitely use proportional and don't look back.  PPS has been said to be a roughly 10% fee where proportional charges 3%, but is variable based on luck.  Proportional will nearly always pay out better for you with that card.

It is always good to look at this page for your hardware.  http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison (http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison).  What miner do you use?  I use poclbm GUI (GUIMiner v2011-04-26).  I would try -v -w 64 -f 40 as additional arguments if this is a machine that you use for other purposes while mining.  Also, you can try -v -w 128 -f 40; I am not sure, but I believe that hardware supports the larger work.  If you have a dedicated machine, change -f 40 to -f 1.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 04:14:06 PM
Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.


I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere.  =/


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 04:22:59 PM
Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.


I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere.  =/

It would be a good idea to look into your connection.  You can see some of the diagnostics that Tycho and I went through on my connection (by the way, I haven't seen any further problems since that time).  My guess is it depends how well your ISP is connected to the trans-Atlantic trunk going over to France and then Germany ... and it seems that only one route exists to get there.  I wish deepbit.net was multi-homed [via ISP] such that there were multiple trans-Atlantic routes (I haven't seen any other option .. I asked a QWest and Frontier user each, two collegues of mine, to do the traceroute and while they took different routes through the USA, they hit the same route across the Atlantic.

Then I would try slush's pool @ http://mining.bitcoin.cz (http://mining.bitcoin.cz).  Good luck.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 04:34:16 PM
Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct.  It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative.  That means negative is lucky for the pool.  Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.

That's what the '-' signifies.  '-' means blocks were being solved faster (fewer shares) than difficulty suggests.  When that happens, proportional produces higher payouts, since the block contained fewer shares.  The '+' signifies that blocks were going slower (more shares), which is when PPS has a higher payout.  Although I did oversimplify one part.  A small '+' would still favor proportional, due to the higher fee taken from PPS (10% vs 3%).

I guess there is no better way to describe it than what it says right on the site.

Quote
This is the number of submitted shares divided by the number of solved blocks. It's variation is random and depends on pool luck, but in long term it converges to expected difficulty. When the average is less than difficulty - it means that the pool is lucky, when it's greater - unlucky. Those numbers are only for curiosity, every solved block's luck is completely independent, so past results do not affect next ones. If you don't want to depend on luck, use PPS payout method; it has zero variance because the pool takes your risk.


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on May 05, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
you can try -v -w 128 -f 40

Holy smoke what an boost;
277-286 Mhash/s  :o


Thank you for good tip, monitoring temps etc now and i don't see any lag etc. So cool! :)


EDIT: is it safe if fan speed is over 50%?
Currently it's 53%


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 04:55:26 PM
you can try -v -w 128 -f 40

Holy smoke what an boost;
277-286 Mhash/s  :o


Thank you for good tip, monitoring temps etc now and i don't see any lag etc. So cool! :)

You are welcome, glad to be of service.

Yes, it is safe to have fan speed over 50%. I use MSI Afterburner and have a custom fan profile to keep my temp around 75C.  Fan runs 54-60% (usually at the low end) most of the time..


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on May 05, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
i see a lot of disconnections, miner idle, twisted.internet.error, etc
mesages to all of my miners.
these error i don't see when i connect to smaller pools!
i wonder...


Title: Re: [~320 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: new_in_this on May 05, 2011, 06:07:46 PM
Yes, it is safe to have fan speed over 50%

Thanks for that info. I don't remember have i read somewhere or did someone said that running fan over 50% can cause damage.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on May 05, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
24/7 use of the fan more than 50% i think can cause failures in the far future!


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
24/7 use of the fan more than 50% i think can cause failures in the far future!

Perhaps, although my card claims 10 years constant running if kept at 70degC.  I assume that would include the fan.  To maintain this, the fan would normally have to run reasonably fast.  The enemy to a motor [servo] is not usage as much as it is constant change in speed.  Acceleration in particular is toughest on motor.  If you can setup a fan profile to keep your fan speed relatively consistent [and blow the dust out of your machine on a regular basis], you should be fine.  Statistically, there will always be fans that blow early and always be fans that run for the useful lifetime of the card even at 100%.

I hope you find this useful.  It is FAR better to blow the fan then to run the card hot.  A fan can be replaced [as long as the card shuts down], but running the card consistently hot will more likely cause total failure as opposed to just a fan failing.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: keybaud on May 05, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
I've changed my password on the login page over an hour ago and I can login with it to check my account, but I still have to use the old password with the miner. Are there 2 separate passwords or is your system not synchronizing them?


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: keybaud on May 05, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
I've changed my password on the login page over an hour ago and I can login with it to check my account, but I still have to use the old password with the miner. Are there 2 separate passwords or is your system not synchronizing them?

Account password is not the same as worker password.


Thanks. I've now found the worker and changed that password.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 08:54:23 PM
i see a lot of disconnections, miner idle, twisted.internet.error, etc
mesages to all of my miners.
these error i don't see when i connect to smaller pools!
i wonder...

With all that hashing power, you probably should be working a smaller pool [or solo mining].  BTCMine comes to mind right out of the gate.  Registration is closed, but send a message and you can probably get in there. I am just trying to get existing "dead" rigs revived to the point of hitting 1GH/s ;-) .... currently running one card at 366MH/s, so I have some way to go.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 05, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
RETRACTED

Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: slurch on May 05, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
I have been inexplicably paid. :P The pool just sent out .27 BTC for me. Odd, since I have my threshold set at 1 and just took yesterday's payoff about 2 hours ago. Not that I'm complaining. :)


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 05, 2011, 10:02:16 PM

BTCMine is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder  :D

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4251.320

I think we need to grow BTCMine now, he is doing a good service over there ... not sure if [Tycho] is okay with me saying that here but it is better for bitcoin network stability to not have too big of a central (single) point of failure.

Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.

I've been trying to explain this for a while now. It seems no one cares. They are all concerned with being in the biggest pool, forgetting what makes Bitcoin secure to begin with. I wonder if the large pool operators have considered this. The bigger their pool, the more money they make. But if the system is easily exploitable, no one will be making any money at all.

If I was a government goon, I would certainly go after the big pool operators first. Either bribe or threaten them to do what I want. Of course, we don't need to worry about governments, right? Bitcoin doesn't threaten them in the slightest.

I think all the pool operators are doing a great job. But the security of Bitcoin is more of a concern to me.

Yeah, but the perceived economic incentive with the big pool is steady payouts. BUT, if you are in it for the long term and have some good sized hash power BTCMine is actually a better economic choice right now because it has zero fees and the variance will even out quite quickly if you have enough power ... also I think deepbit.net grew quite big recently because a lot of newbs showed up and the OCN guide just showed them how to connect to deepbit.net so that is what they did ... after a while some will figure out where they fit in and how which pool suits which the way they mine ... night-time, daytime, class-time, all the time ...

I started on slush but then moved to deepbit when he had only 15 JiggaHash to help him grow, now I like to gamble some time on BTCMine and help him grow, maybe to catch a run wahoo! or blow some of my cluster time on nothingness booooo ... and if I have other things to do for days I just leave it running on slush or deepbit and the meter ticks over nicely ...  its all good.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
Another reason that deepbit.net is drawing people is that you don't have to wait for the 120 confirmations of a winning block to get your reward paid out [people love immediate gratification].  Also, long polling is significant.  One other point is that up until the recent hack fix made by slush, the payouts and website would suddenly cease to work until he manually intervened.

Just my 0.02BTC worth :)


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 11:43:05 PM
Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?
While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.
I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere.  =/
If you are using phoenix miner, please try Poclbm or Poclbm-gui to see if it works or not.
Looks like phoenix still can't fix some bugs in their/twister's network code.
Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
it is better for bitcoin network stability to not have too big of a central (single) point of failure.
Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.
I've been trying to explain this for a while now. It seems no one cares. They are all concerned with being in the biggest pool, forgetting what makes Bitcoin secure to begin with. I wonder if the large pool operators have considered this. The bigger their pool, the more money they make. But if the system is easily exploitable, no one will be making any money at all.

If I was a government goon, I would certainly go after the big pool operators first. Either bribe or threaten them to do what I want. Of course, we don't need to worry about governments, right? Bitcoin doesn't threaten them in the slightest.
There is no such threat. When some pool operator decides to do something bad or cooperate with governments, all the miners will instantly switch to others or go solo, and there will be no big pool anymore.

Also, the same reason about not being "single point of failure". It takes less than a minute to switch pools when something happens.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 05, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
...is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder  :D
Please, do not invite people to other pools in MY thread, that's impolite. I'm not posting my ads in other pools threads.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 11:58:24 PM
Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.

You have a US server?  Handy knowledge for many perhaps.  ;D


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on May 05, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
...is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder  :D
Please, do not invite people to other pools in MY thread, that's impolite. I'm not posting my ads in other pools threads.

Apologies. in my defence I was responding to clear up an erroneous comment .... but it is retracted now anyway.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 12:02:06 AM
Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.
You have a US server?  Handy knowledge for many perhaps.  ;D
Yes, I do :)
It's set to automatically take US miners in case of transatlantic network failure.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 12:06:32 AM
There is no such threat. When some pool operator decides to do something bad or cooperate with governments, all the miners will instantly switch to others or go solo, and there will be no big pool anymore.
Also, the same reason about not being "single point of failure". It takes less than a minute to switch pools when something happens.
Yet, the fact remains that if a large pool operator attacked the system (regardless if he wanted to or not), he could. If, for example, your pool grew large enough to control 51% of the network, you could do damage to the network before the network could react.
I'm not planning to reach 50%, just in case.
But I know some good things that can be done for network if big pools unite.
NOTE: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3889.msg110565#msg110565

Indeed, it takes less than a minute to switch pools, but how many of your users monitor the network every minute of every day?
I see how fast they react when there is a problem with some of the pools.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: aahzmundus on May 06, 2011, 05:02:39 AM
IDK if your willing to answer this Tycho... but with fees and your own mining, what do you make in a day BTC wise?

I would love to see a Daily btc chart as im one of those people that uses my payouts to watch progress :P


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 05:12:58 AM
IDK if your willing to answer this Tycho... but with fees and your own mining, what do you make in a day BTC wise?

I would love to see a Daily btc chart as im one of those people that uses my payouts to watch progress :P
I'm working on this, especially for PPS users :)
Also I would like to hear: should I count daily earnings between midnights on UTC or midnights on user's timezone ?
Second option may be more useful, but it will be more difficult to compare between users and may lead to wrong values if user changes his timezone.

By the way the stats page is updated, now it shows average time to find a block (at the bottom) and loads 6 times faster.

As for my own income, I can't give precise answer at this moment because i'm overinvesting in my little "mining farm". I'll post some pics and results later when it will be done.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: winnetou on May 06, 2011, 05:38:06 AM
Hi. Is there a limit on 20 workers? I Can not create more!? I read in this thread that I can use up to 10 clients on one worker? Is that fact up 2 date?


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: aahzmundus on May 06, 2011, 05:47:38 AM
IDK if your willing to answer this Tycho... but with fees and your own mining, what do you make in a day BTC wise?

I would love to see a Daily btc chart as im one of those people that uses my payouts to watch progress :P
I'm working on this, especially for PPS users :)
Also I would like to hear: should I count daily earnings between midnights on UTC or midnights on user's timezone ?
Second option may be more useful, but it will be more difficult to compare between users and may lead to wrong values if user changes his timezone.

By the way the stats page is updated, now it shows average time to find a block (at the bottom) and loads 6 times faster.

As for my own income, I can't give precise answer at this moment because i'm overinvesting in my little "mining farm". I'll post some pics and results later when it will be done.

Since its meant as a statistic UTC time is better IMHO.  BitcoinCharts calculates their daily periods of volume and price change using that time period.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: eleuthria on May 06, 2011, 06:07:01 AM
Well I'm just one unlucky person.  I was slaving away coding my own pool this evening, after moving my miners to your pool about 14 hours ago Tycho.  And what do I see before going to sleep?

19:22:02, 20:12:37, and 20:18:36 (GMT -7) blocks were found by me.  That's right.  There were 4 blocks discovered by Deepbit.net between 19:22 and 20:22, and 3 of them were from my miners.  I bet if I finish making my own pool I'll never find one again!


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 06:12:52 AM
Hi. Is there a limit on 20 workers? I Can not create more!? I read in this thread that I can use up to 10 clients on one worker? Is that fact up 2 date?
If you are using long polling, then the limit is 20 miners per one worker account and 20 worker accounts per one user.
But this limit is only to detect LP malfunction so if you need more, PM me with desired number and reason - it's easy to add.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 06:15:58 AM
19:22:02, 20:12:37, and 20:18:36 (GMT -7) blocks were found by me.  That's right.
Thanks :)


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: FoS on May 06, 2011, 08:01:45 AM
Tycho, could it be posible to reset workers' shares counters individualy?? I'm testing differents cards at different speed and there is some workers I don't want to reset its stats. I hope it will be possible.
Thank you


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 08:17:45 AM
Tycho, could it be posible to reset workers' shares counters individualy?? I'm testing differents cards at different speed and there is some workers I don't want to reset its stats. I hope it will be possible.
There is already individual reset button on each worker's page.


Title: Re: [~350 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: FoS on May 06, 2011, 08:19:42 AM
Oh, I hadn't seen it, sorry.  :D


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: fasti on May 06, 2011, 08:30:33 PM
Suddently started getting lots of "Long poll exceptions...", "long poll: deepbit is temporarily unavailable" and new thing now: "long poll: backend error"

Using latest m0mchil's miner.


Seems like ~90% of the latest ~10 blocks, makes long poll error.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 10:43:43 PM
Suddently started getting lots of "Long poll exceptions...", "long poll: deepbit is temporarily unavailable" and new thing now: "long poll: backend error"

Seems like ~90% of the latest ~10 blocks, makes long poll error.
Long Polling was reset a few times by me recently because of updates, don't worry - this will not affect your mining.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 06, 2011, 10:52:45 PM
Suddently started getting lots of "Long poll exceptions...", "long poll: deepbit is temporarily unavailable" and new thing now: "long poll: backend error"

Seems like ~90% of the latest ~10 blocks, makes long poll error.
Long Polling was reset a few times by me recently because of updates, don't worry - this will not affect your mining.

Doesn't it potentially increase the number of stale shares; especially if he is seeing this at a rate of 10% of all queries?


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 06, 2011, 11:04:41 PM
Long Polling was reset a few times by me recently because of updates, don't worry - this will not affect your mining.
Doesn't it potentially increase the number of stale shares; especially if he is seeing this at a rate of 10% of all queries?
No, it was for a very short time, so the number of stales would be negligible.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 06, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
Long Polling was reset a few times by me recently because of updates, don't worry - this will not affect your mining.
Doesn't it potentially increase the number of stale shares; especially if he is seeing this at a rate of 10% of all queries?
No, it was for a very short time, so the number of stales would be negligible.

Well, whatever you have been doing seems to be working.  Pretty soon "Other" is going to be trying to catch up with you on the network hash rate pie chart.   :o


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on May 07, 2011, 12:18:05 AM
Holy Moly! 380! last time i looked it was 290!, Who turned on another MM, Actually hell, I dont care solong as the MM is ina pool LOL

Tycho, Im about to get 1.5ghashes, Please with your honest opinion, What would give SEEMINGLY MORE income Seeing as how All my calculations are wrong with the 90ghash just that i didnt notice, And now i dont think i'll beable to go solo, But with this HUGE ghash pool jump i dont know if it'll be worth it to go in a pool (24/7)

Forget about the 3%


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 07, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
Tycho, Im about to get 1.5ghashes, Please with your honest opinion, What would give SEEMINGLY MORE income
Are you talking about choosing between PPS or Proportional ?

But with this HUGE ghash pool jump i dont know if it'll be worth it to go in a pool (24/7)
Of course you should mine in a pool. Especially considering the oncoming difficulty jump :)


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: slurch on May 07, 2011, 12:31:41 AM
Tycho, Im about to get 1.5ghashes, Please with your honest opinion, What would give SEEMINGLY MORE income
Are you talking about choosing between PPS or Proportional ?

But with this HUGE ghash pool jump i dont know if it'll be worth it to go in a pool (24/7)
Of course you should mine in a pool. Especially considering the oncoming difficulty jump :)

Yeah...it's going to chafe in a serious way.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 07, 2011, 12:37:27 AM
Is Tycho an unbiased person to ask?  No offense Tycho, but you get 3% of his massive input which is quite considerable.  Also, to be honest, I am getting nervous about the size of the pool.  Tycho has already said he is investing in mining hardware with his earnings.  There is a lot of potential for corruption.  I don't believe that Tycho would do this, but having such a large pool and still growing is getting scarry, especially since it is rapidly approaching that fearful 51% scarey.

I am not trying to discourage people to use deepbit, just from allowing it to overcome the bitcoin market.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: slurch on May 07, 2011, 12:41:35 AM
Is Tycho an unbiased person to ask?  No offense Tycho, but you get 3% of his massive input which is quite considerable.  Also, to be honest, I am getting nervous about the size of the pool.  Tycho has already said he is investing in mining hardware with his earnings.  There is a lot of potential for corruption.  I don't believe that Tycho would do this, but having such a large pool and still growing is getting scarry, especially since it is rapidly approaching that fearful 51% scarey.

I am not trying to discourage people to use deepbit, just from allowing it to overcome the bitcoin market.

Tycho's already said that he doesn't plan on taking more than half of the total Bitcoin network over (though I don't know how he plans to mitigate that)...if it gets close, no offense to Tycho, but I should be moving on. It's all about the security of the network.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 07, 2011, 12:46:53 AM
I don't believe that Tycho would do this, but having such a large pool and still growing is getting scarry, especially since it is rapidly approaching that fearful 51% scarey.
Actually there is still a VERY long way to 50% considering that deepbit is not the only pool that grows rapidly.

I'm going to talk with someone like Gavin about considering additional steps towards transprency, so people will know that my pools is not doing anything bad.

Is Tycho an unbiased person to ask?  No offense Tycho, but you get 3% of his massive input which is quite considerable.
3% at this speed is only like having 11 GH/s farm. Even ArtForz doing more, but if farm owner does something wrong he can continue mining, and if pool's owner does something to harm the network, he will lose his income. So being honest is better than trying to steal once.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 07, 2011, 12:53:24 AM
I don't believe that Tycho would do this, but having such a large pool and still growing is getting scarry, especially since it is rapidly approaching that fearful 51% scarey.
Actually there is still a VERY long way to 50% considering that deepbit is not the only pool that grows rapidly.

I am not sure that I agree; especially with people offering to bring GH/s hardware online with your pool.  I think you hit nearly 40% today, although we know much of that could be due to variance, however the pool hash rate has grown massively in just the last week and only slush competes significantly and he doesn't appear to have the time or resources to take his pool to the next level.  Perhaps many small pools or a couple growing medium size pools (relatively) would help alleviate the apprehension.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on May 07, 2011, 02:57:46 AM
lol people are afraid of Tycho becoming rich and throwing a bunch of his own comps in the pool, and then dominating the network.
lol
Like yeah im scared too but shit eh? what  do you expect us to do, Flee off of the best Proportional pool?

Tycho, Im about to get 1.5ghashes, Please with your honest opinion, What would give SEEMINGLY MORE income
Are you talking about choosing between PPS or Proportional ?

But with this HUGE ghash pool jump i dont know if it'll be worth it to go in a pool (24/7)
Of course you should mine in a pool. Especially considering the oncoming difficulty jump :)

Of course Prop.

Difficulty Factor 151580  (reset)
Hash Target 1.7785681020590652e+62
Hash Rate (khps) 1536000

Probability Time:
Average 4 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes
50% 3 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes
95% 14 days, 16 hours, 42 minutes

Thats what im looking at for the next difficulty, So it looks like im not gonna be getting a blocka week avrg, But if anyone disagrees then im prolly going solo
Oh, And who can make a prediction as to how much i would earn in the pool every 24 hrs?


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: slurch on May 07, 2011, 03:48:52 AM
Pool seems unhappy...anyone confirm for me?

Nevermind. :)


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Nilarium on May 07, 2011, 06:56:03 AM
Hash Rate (khps) 1536000

Oh, And who can make a prediction as to how much i would earn in the pool every 24 hrs?

something like 11.5+- btc every 24hrs


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Xer on May 07, 2011, 12:38:55 PM
Only a 11 GH farm? rofl tycho. thats a 11GH farm without major hardware costs or porwe cost.
im not sure what your paying for the server but i bet sure as hell it isnt 7698.34 USD a month (diff estimate 152k).


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JoeTheTech on May 07, 2011, 02:30:39 PM
Pool rate: 405 Gh/s GRATS

Wish I had that kind of preprocessing power.

Thanks again for all your hard work and dedication [Tycho].

Cheers


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JJG on May 07, 2011, 03:05:30 PM
Hash Rate (khps) 1536000

Oh, And who can make a prediction as to how much i would earn in the pool every 24 hrs?

something like 11.5+- btc every 24hrs

For another 2.5 days, at which point difficulty jumps 40% (or more) and the expected value falls to about 8 BTC/day for another 10 days or so.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 07, 2011, 03:12:31 PM
Hash Rate (khps) 1536000

Oh, And who can make a prediction as to how much i would earn in the pool every 24 hrs?

something like 11.5+- btc every 24hrs

For another 2.5 days, at which point difficulty jumps 40% (or more) and the expected value falls to about 8 BTC/day for another 10 days or so.
:'(  Also, Tycho dropped to 400GH/s ... not doing so hot!  J/K ... looks like about 33% of the entire network hash rate.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: JJG on May 07, 2011, 03:39:14 PM
Only a 11 GH farm? rofl tycho. thats a 11GH farm without major hardware costs or porwe cost.
im not sure what your paying for the server but i bet sure as hell it isnt 7698.34 USD a month (diff estimate 152k).

I'm sure programming, hosting, and maintaining the pool software and front-end doesn't cost Tycho anything in the way of time or money, either.  ;)


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: zoro on May 07, 2011, 05:13:59 PM
if you are going to accuse a businessman who finds a profitable way of working and you think it is simple and easy, then
why you don't do the same?  ;)


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 07, 2011, 05:19:18 PM
if you are going to accuse a businessman who finds a profitable way of working and you think it is simple and easy, then
why you don't do the same?  ;)

I don't think anybody is accusing him of anything [and making money is a good thing and sort of the purpose of bitcoin mining to begin with].  My ONLY worry is the size of the pool relative to the entire bitcoin mining economy.  Also, Tycho has expressed interest in working with other pools to make great things happen if I can paraphrase.  I wish I remember where in this thread he wrote that (that is the problem with one giant thread as opposed to setting up a forum just for this pool [on this same site is fine].


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Fiyasko on May 07, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
Hash Rate (khps) 1536000

Oh, And who can make a prediction as to how much i would earn in the pool every 24 hrs?

something like 11.5+- btc every 24hrs

For another 2.5 days, at which point difficulty jumps 40% (or more) and the expected value falls to about 8 BTC/day for another 10 days or so.

Incase you didnt notice, I already accounted for the difficulty jump
So you: JJG and You Vladimir, Stop bashing everyone who wants to mine.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: vuce on May 07, 2011, 05:55:44 PM
Hash Rate (khps) 1536000

Oh, And who can make a prediction as to how much i would earn in the pool every 24 hrs?

something like 11.5+- btc every 24hrs

it would actually be 10 btc/day - 3% for pool fees.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Veldy on May 07, 2011, 06:02:52 PM
Incase you didnt notice, I already accounted for the difficulty jump
So you: JJG and You Vladimir, Stop bashing everyone who wants to mine.

Agreed!  For selfish reasons, I would like to see fewer miners [at least high end miners] :)  That won't stop me from encouraging the hobby to people that want to do it.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: Ulysses on May 07, 2011, 11:15:03 PM
it would actually be 10 btc/day - 3% for pool fees.

Actually, it will be less than 3% due to insurance against invalid blocks and long polling.


Title: Re: [~380 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks!
Post by: [Tycho] on May 07, 2011, 11:41:06 PM
Pool rate: 405 Gh/s<