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Can I Deal In TRUST RATINGS?

Hello.  I am interested in brokering trust ratings on this forum.  Would I be breaking any rules by offering to buy, sell, and lend trust?
I'll offer a hypothetical scenario to explain what I mean:

1.  I own an account on the default trust list.
2.  I also own a large portfolio of non-trusted accounts which I am selling.
3.  For an additional fee, I would temporarily (lend) or permanently (sell) a positive trust rating from the default trust account.

I would also like to advertise my interest in purchasing trust ratings, if the practice is allowed on this forum.

I'm not interested in debating the ethical ramifications of what i am doing, simply in determining if I could advertise my services on this forum.
Direct reply from the mods or Theymos would be appreciated.

Thank you.

I know I'm not but according to the numerous statements I read about the trust system, there's no reason this would be breaking any rule

You would have to be directly put in the DefaultTrust list by theymos himself to be at depth=1 though
Otherwise you'd be at depth>=2, so your own trusted users would be at depth>=3 in the DefaultTrust list, so people with original settings (DefaultTrust and depth<=2) wouldn't trust those

Thanks,  I don't mean to imply that I'm only interested in the opinions of the mods, just that they're ultimately the ones who ban, so i wanted to make sure i'm not missing anything before putting my money in play.

*regarding trust depth:  will cross that bridge when we get to it, nailing down the basics first.

You might be able to, but you'll get negative trust from me if you do (and maybe others as well).

I'm not sure of the forum rules on this one.

I don't really see the point, if someone wants a trust rating all they have to do is make a deal with someone in the default trust network. In that sense all trust ratings are bought and sold. It'd have to be really cheap to be worth it to the other party, a single trust rating is pretty worthless.

BadBear:
Thank you.  I realize that all one has to do is make a deal with someone in the default trust.  I aim to provide a brokerage service to make this process as frictionless and efficient as possible.  The price will be determined by the demand.  Could you comment on how you would deal with my advertising this service on the forum, regardless?

tysat:
I realize that the account offering this service will receive many undeserved negative trust ratings.  This is simply the cost of doing business.  The trusted account, and the accounts being sold, will be unaffected.  Would your leaving negative trust on this account be the full extent of your response?

Thank you both.

How can trust be undeserved?
People trust you or not, period.

Nope. You'll find out when it happens.

Agreed, the trust system is unmoderated so I doubt its against the rules, but good luck getting on the default trust list in the first place if people know you plan on selling false trust to people.

The trust that people give you for the proposed idea, wouldn't be undeserved, it would be based on their own opinion of the "ethical ramifications"



I'd give you negative trust.

I guess sooner or later people would find out what account gives or "lends" those trust ratings, and that account would be removed from DefaulTrust. Which would in turn undermine your business, leaving your service without any real value.
I doubt that it's a viable business model, but you're absolutely free to try, IMHO.

For newcomers, the trust system is useless for a number of reasons.  For one thing it depends on the trust of theymos and many people don't trust him.

Leaving a negative trust rating is often used punitively, or as an instrument of blackmail. Tysat did not suggest he did not to trust me, he promised a negative trust rating.  
But this is veering into unconstructive territory.  All i want to learn is the potential negative repercussions of my business.

I was talking about what 99% of people will see
The point was not about it being useful or not

Possible reprocussions being, you sell trust to scammers who are then able to more easily take advantage of newer members who don't understand the trust system quite as well, more than likely being labled a scammer yourself for doing it, and a lot of hate from the community.

As the trust system is completely unmoderated, if you are asking if you will be banned, I'd guess no. However whoever decided to add trust to you would be immediately pressured to remove you, so like others said, I don't think it would last long, nor would it be a profitable business venture.

In short, and in my opinion, probably not a good idea.

+1

BadBear's Reign of Terror :D

I am not trying to cheat anyone. As you have mentioned yourself, buying and selling trust is trivial.  I would like it to be done publicly, just like the buying and selling of accounts.  Have you not suggested that it's better to have these things out in the open, so that naive users could learn that these things exist?

Regardless, thank you for your reply.

SaltySpitoon:  Thank you.  Please rest assured that i'm more trustworthy than, oh... TradeFortress, to name a pillar of this comunity,  The sensitive nature of my business would make dishonest dealings financially ruinous for me.  My business lives and dies by its reputation.

And thank you for your reply.

You can warn people without promoting it.  Once you start promoting it (or standing by and watching while it happens) you are then liable for what happens after that.

I am no more "liable" for the misuse of the trust i sell than a gun shop owner is "liable" for the murders comitted with the handguns he sells.
I wish to learn if my business runs afoul of any extant forum rules, not to start a debate about my responsibility for some hypothetical wrongdoings of others.

I am gonna go ahead and neg rate this guy... hey buddy fuck you.

And this is why we can't have nice things...

You have outed a guy named "AccountManagement" with a sig "...your trusted source of pre-owned quality Bitcointalk accounts..." for... selling accounts?
Huff a lot of paint when you were a kid?

Dude sorry but you are facilitating fraud, find a new business model.

Trying doing something honest that improves the lives of others.

I personally don't agree with this or the buying and selling of accounts, but I think the trust system is fundamentally flawed here any way. The fact that you're even discussing doing this and how easy it is for people to leave feedback willy-nilly kind of proves it.


I can't imagine doing a deal with somebody in the default trust is that easy, especially for newbs. What reasons have they got to deal with newbs?

And I wouldn't say a single feedback is worthless, but if you're going to buy trust from somebody who's not on the trusted feedback, you might as well just create your own accounts and do it yourself, but sockpuppet feedback if often easy to spot.

You will no longer have an account on the default trust list once anybody gets a whiff of what you are doing.

Out of interest how do you get put in the default trust list? Do you have to do a trade directly with Theymos or just appear to be trustworthy by doing other successful trades etc?

There's no specific answer to this, but you pretty much have to just give good trust feedback on people.

Our dedicated risk management experts are continuously reasserting the risk profiles of this ever-evolving landscape, Mr Lambert.

The risks are exactingly modeled and calculated with ample safety margins.  This research is reflected in our pricing.  Pricing, if I may add, you will find surprisingly reasonable.

Top quality trust shall only be offered to our most trusted clientele.


Sincerely,

Account Marketing Team

I reckon this Accounts Management guy is just trolling  ;D.

lol

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Sincerely,

Account Marketing Team

Haha, yeah, probably trolling  :D. Do you sell 4chan gold memberships perchance?

Gold accounts are so 2012

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2015/2122531079_d312d73006.jpg

Haha, I haven't been on 4chan in a while.

Gentlemen.

It is with a heavy heart that I inform you of my colleague, AccountMarketing, being B& from this forum.

Before you storm the Bastille, terrified that your natural right to purchase trust is threatened by The Man, I must advise you:  This mortal blow was not dealt him for plying his honorable trade.

His transgression was far graver than selling trust or forum accounts.  He replied to an off-topic post.

As you make merry this festive eve, take a moment to bow your head and speak a prayer for those no longer with us.

AccountMarketing is dead.
        Long live AccountManagement!

lol are you sure it wasn't for just trolling?

As sure as I am in my God-given right to sell trust.