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Title: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: maraoz on January 01, 2014, 12:09:50 AM
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Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: Crackmacs on January 01, 2014, 07:46:34 AM
Forethought.

You're leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: goostatic74829 on January 01, 2014, 07:47:34 AM
interesting


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: Drexme on January 01, 2014, 07:49:30 AM
Reserved
following


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: flower1024 on January 01, 2014, 06:09:00 PM
Thanks!
Any feedback on the Double-signed transactions concept?

the problem i see is that there is no more any plausible deniybility for receiving payments. this can be important if any gov decides that they want backlist addresses.

but i like the idea! maybe just let the sending address decides how many keys (and which) are required to send those coins? for me its an essential cryptocoin feature to need more keys to send money (but companies can easily build this on top of a minimalistic coin - it isnt just that secure)


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: endlessskill on January 01, 2014, 06:10:21 PM
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Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: oncebitcoinedtwiceshy on January 01, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Listening


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: BitzMD on January 01, 2014, 06:16:06 PM
lets see


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: atp1916 on January 01, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Very interesting.

Let's see what you can do, OP.  :)


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: Nullu on January 01, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
Sounds interesting. Something new.


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: hmmmm on January 01, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Wouldn't you be throwing out some necessary features?


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: chip99 on January 01, 2014, 06:32:42 PM
reserved


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: Bombtrack on January 01, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
I'm listening :)


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: nocoin on January 01, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
In sheercoin, we could make it so that both Alice AND Bob need to sign the transaction for it to be valid. This would require a little bit of extra effort for the users, as the transaction signed by Alice must be sent to Bob for signing before being broadcasted to the network.
How do we send transactions in anonymous p2p-network if not by broadcasting to all nodes?

  • No coinbase messages
  • No scripting at all, in fact
Sounds like challenge, wishing luck!


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: Kheg on January 01, 2014, 06:41:34 PM
I rather like it.  It does take out a bit of the anonymity, since you have a return path for the recipient with every single transaction pair, but it does make the transactions themselves more audit-able. I think businesses might actually find this concept more appealing, since they can validate things like refunds with a customer much more easily rather than having a customer say "No, I never got it."


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: flower1024 on January 01, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
I rather like it.  It does take out a bit of the anonymity, since you have a return path for the recipient with every single transaction pair, but it does make the transactions themselves more audit-able. I think businesses might actually find this concept more appealing, since they can validate things like refunds with a customer much more easily rather than having a customer say "No, I never got it."

this is not true. a broadcasted transaction is no guarantee that it goes into a block.

btw. why not just broadcast it half-signed and let his client display a message?


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: blacklig on January 01, 2014, 07:09:26 PM
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Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: oroqen on January 01, 2014, 08:33:47 PM
I rather like it.  It does take out a bit of the anonymity, since you have a return path for the recipient with every single transaction pair, but it does make the transactions themselves more audit-able. I think businesses might actually find this concept more appealing, since they can validate things like refunds with a customer much more easily rather than having a customer say "No, I never got it."

this is not true. a broadcasted transaction is no guarantee that it goes into a block.

btw. why not just broadcast it half-signed and let his client display a message?
I was thinking the same thing, or even have both clients send as different requests one for a send and one for a receive and let the miners hold a second smaller block chain of theses types of transactions that rotate over afew hours/days to release lost coins, wrong address etc... if you let the client do pop ups you could run the risk of someone spamming other wallets with requests clogging up the network


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: Evilish on January 01, 2014, 08:42:55 PM
Sounds very interesting. Please keep us updated with further news.


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: badbonez on January 01, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
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Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: bryan2402 on January 01, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
reserved, ready for sheercoin! :)


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: luanning on January 02, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
Sounds good.


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: CoinPN on January 02, 2014, 03:58:46 PM
Reserved, the double sign transaction was a good idea  ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: GOB on January 02, 2014, 04:58:07 PM
I love the idea, OP.

By the way, why does everyone post "reserved"?

Just in case, consider this my "reserved" post. haha :P


Title: Re: [ANN][SHC]Pre-Launch - Sheercoin, the minimalist cryptocurrency
Post by: GOB on January 02, 2014, 05:54:37 PM
The idea behind sheercoin is to create a cryptocurrency with as little overhead as possible. My plan is to start with bitcoin and remove everything that's not strictly necessary for a cryptocurrency to work. This means:

  • No coinbase messages
  • No multisig transactions
  • No P2SH
  • No OP_RETURN
  • No scripting at all, in fact
  • etc. Open to suggestions on what to "trim"

I think this is a great start. The concept of double signing transactions, while at first blush may seem to conflict the minimalist ethos of Sheercoin, is in fact a key feature as you suggest. As someone said above, it kills plausible deniability regarding receiving payments, but this coin clearly isn't seeking to be all things to all people.

When reading about Sheercoin (S?) it immediately reminded me of this post from a couple days ago:

http://codesuppository.blogspot.com.ar/2013/12/work-in-progress.html?m=1

Visualizing just how much dust and blockchain spam there is out there had an impact on me. I think a very important part of Sheercoin will be finding ways of cutting down on this spam and dust to limit the size of the blockchain from day 1. Have you considered implementing the coin with a method of pruning spent outputs? Perhaps there could be an even more aggressive pruning mechanism where dust gets pruned, or all transactions older than a year or two get pruned automatically (but this is dangerous territory).

Another idea is to consider significant figures (s.f.) in transactions. Even if the currency has, say, a billion units and 100 million subunits, there never really is a good reason to use all those digits in any given transaction. For example, say I buy a tv for 1.23BTC. It makes sense to make the transaction for 1.23BTC (3 s.f.) or even 1.234BTC (4 s.f.), but it really is unnecessary to make the transaction for 1.23456789 (9 s.f.), as the least significant digit (lsd) is only one billionth of the most significant digit (msd). 4 s.f. should be sufficient for any transaction. Therefore, the algo could have miners automatically drop any digits beyond the 4th msd (so, 1234 or 1.234 or 0.1234 or 0.0001234) before including it in a block.

Beyond satisfying my OCD need for neater transactions, what would be the benefit? Well, paired with a (ideally, dynamic, or market based) transaction fee, it would mean accounts would tend not to have a bunch of dust. Why? Say the transaction fee is current 1S. If you want to send 0.000000001S, you'll have to pay 1 billion times more in transaction fees, so that will be uncommon. But also, since the transaction fee is dynamic, and transactions only have 3-4 s.f., usually addresses will only contain significant figures just a few digits beyond the transaction fee digit, the rest will be zeros. Does this make sense?

EDIT: Capitalization, punctuation.