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Title: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on August 31, 2011, 07:27:18 AM
Hello,

  I host and maintain an open source solidcoin<->bitcoin exchange ( https://moonco.in/exchange/solidcoin ) and a namecoin <-> bitcoin exchange ( https://moonco.in/exchange/namecoin ).

 We charge a 0.2% fee, have no withdrawal fees (beyond the transaction fee which goes to the network), have an API, a chart, and a live calculator on the trading page.

Edit:

Our solidcoin exchange will still remain open long as there is interest in trading solidcoins, moonco.in has nor wants involvement in the drama surrounding solidcoin. I simply want to maintain the code for an open source exchange to be used for cryptocurrencies  and provide a reliable and quality service.

tl/dr We choose this remain open because the community uses it, not because we have a position one side or the other.


 Any feedback is appreciated, we are an open source project and we require input from the community in order to be successful.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: doublec on August 31, 2011, 10:54:57 AM
  We charge a 0.2% fee, have no withdrawal fees, have an API, a chart, and a live calculator on the trading page.
Your solidcoin withdrawals page says "(You pay a 0.1 the 0.1 transfer fee.) ", so not quite no withdrawal fees.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on August 31, 2011, 07:05:47 PM
We don't add any additional withdrawal fees as some exchanges do.

The user is making the transaction so it is their fee to pay - I don't feel like I'm being disingenuous in saying no withdrawal fees considering. I don't collect that fee, the network does.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: doublec on September 01, 2011, 12:46:07 AM
We don't add any additional withdrawal fees as some exchanges do. .
What exchanges charge a withdrawal fee that aren't just passing the transaction fee onto the customer?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: twmz on September 01, 2011, 04:20:59 AM
We don't add any additional withdrawal fees as some exchanges do. .
What exchanges charge a withdrawal fee that aren't just passing the transaction fee onto the customer?

Not to nitpick, but don't your exchanges charge a 0.01 BTC withdrawal fee but not put a 0.01 BTC transaction fee on the transactions.  Here is one example of a withdrawal I made and it only has the standard 0.0005 fee:

http://blockexplorer.com/tx/0b4c2d3ba7e74acf0000f2af0357ac87ebeb51bf11fe47b3597285cc3fb3e68d

Frankly, I didn't mind the 0.01 fee, but it is not simply passing on the transaction fee you stuck on the tx.  It's 20x higher.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: doublec on September 01, 2011, 04:28:04 AM
Frankly, I didn't mind the 0.01 fee, but it is not simply passing on the transaction fee you stuck on the tx.  It's 20x higher.
This is what I was curious to see if it was what he was referring to. What I did is work out what the average transaction fee is and I charge approximately that. I don't put the 0.01 fee as part of the transaction because then the average would be even higher.

Due to the way exchanges work they get a lot of small deposits and some large withdrawals. This fragments the wallet and the large withdrawals have to pull from lots of small addresses. This carries a large fee. I've had transaction fees close to 1 coin. As an example from the namecoin exchange, where the fees work like bitcoin:

Code:
    {
        "account" : "",
        "address" : "NH56eFFnzHoieLCpR7kfToTcf6wX5L2AHf",
        "category" : "send",
        "amount" : -5000.00000000,
        "fee" : -0.75000000,
        "confirmations" : 3702,
        "txid" : "d8b597c7875d7c6668150abf5009cee2b74c2fd5c3ad7fb90066351c2e812ec6",
        "time" : 1309517469
    }

I settled on 0.01 as the average and pass this on. Unfortunately the *coin clients don't provide a way to find the fee 'up front' to charge. SolidCoin being the exception here. You can actually bankrupt an exchange that doesn't pass on the transaction fee like this by depositing lots of small amounts and then a large amount over and over.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: twmz on September 01, 2011, 01:15:33 PM
I settled on 0.01 as the average and pass this on. Unfortunately the *coin clients don't provide a way to find the fee 'up front' to charge. SolidCoin being the exception here. You can actually bankrupt an exchange that doesn't pass on the transaction fee like this by depositing lots of small amounts and then a large amount over and over.

Fair enough.  Thanks for the explanation.  I understand better now.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: CoinHunter on September 01, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
SolidCoin being the exception here

*cough*  :)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 01, 2011, 06:49:48 PM
SolidCoin being the exception here

*cough*  :)
8)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 04, 2011, 11:55:27 PM
Our volume jumped 8x today to 80K SC.

Our solidcoin exchange will still remain open long as there is interest in trading solidcoins, moonco.in has nor wants involvement in the drama surrounding solidcoin. I simply want to maintain the code for an open source exchange to be used for cryptocurrencies  and provide a reliable and quality service.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email me at mrmooncoin@gmail.com

 


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 05, 2011, 03:49:49 PM
Our volume jumped 8x today to 80K SC.

Our solidcoin exchange will still remain open long as there is interest in trading solidcoins, moonco.in has nor wants involvement in the drama surrounding solidcoin. I simply want to maintain the code for an open source exchange to be used for cryptocurrencies  and provide a reliable and quality service.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email me at mrmooncoin@gmail.com

 

I really like the trading interface of MrMoon's exchange. I've been dealing all day there. Even if your not dealing solidcoins you should take a look.

See you there...  ;D


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: FractalUniverse on September 05, 2011, 04:37:12 PM
Our volume jumped 8x today to 80K SC.

Our solidcoin exchange will still remain open long as there is interest in trading solidcoins, moonco.in has nor wants involvement in the drama surrounding solidcoin. I simply want to maintain the code for an open source exchange to be used for cryptocurrencies  and provide a reliable and quality service.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email me at mrmooncoin@gmail.com

thanks MrMoon ;)
are you planning for solidcoin betting as well?


Lorna Morgan, viperjbm +1


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 05, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Quote
Last Trade 0.0058 | High Bid 0.0054 | Low Ask 0.0057 | Volume 190685.3403 | SC High 0.0101 | Low 0.0011 | Avg 0.0056

If you're not trading on this exchange, what are you doing?  ???

I forgive you if you're looking at my site  :D


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: ohforf on September 05, 2011, 05:54:19 PM
I had some trouble withdrawing. Seems like like the Numbers I put into the Box were all bad (like 1.22).
So i spent some time looking at the source Code, and figured out there is a RegEx for verifying Numbers with german locale settings.
I didnt expect that, Websites and other Software using German locale settings are very rare.
Seems like Mooncoin detected my locales (how ? must be user agent or IP) and wanted Numbers like 3,14 - proper german, but unusual.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 05, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
I had some trouble withdrawing. Seems like like the Numbers I put into the Box were all bad (like 1.22).
So i spent some time looking at the source Code, and figured out there is a RegEx for verifying Numbers with german locale settings.
I didnt expect that, Websites and other Software using German locale settings are very rare.
Seems like Mooncoin detected my locales (how ? must be user agent or IP) and wanted Numbers like 3,14 - proper german, but unusual.

It was probably made like that to be more intuitive, Ill add something to the help text to make it less confusing when I can.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: smoothie on September 05, 2011, 11:31:22 PM
@MrMoon

I love how you cut and pasted from this forum and started whining on the Solidcoin forum about me calling the remaining exchanges pathetic after Bitparking and Ruxum closed. You wanted reasons as to why I said the remaining three were pathetic. Here is my response and it definitely outlines things beyond your .in TLD

1. You will accept deposits up 8 decimal places but will only allow 2 decimal place withdrawal. Nice little underhanded Indian ripoff.

2. Site is very clunky to use. Better have a calculator handy.

3. BTC withdraws are manual and slow to receive. 24+ hours for 2BTC to get to my wallet

4. You say "No Transaction Fees" but indeed do charge them

5. You are running a straight up gambling site in conjunction with your exchange. Illegal in the USA and invites authorities to come after you. Adds to the chance of you just disappearing. Probably explains your .in domain as you know .com can be handled better by the US authorities.

6. Your support is a Gmail address, are you serious?

7. You're skimming micro amounts off the conversion transactions (didn't think people would notice). Let me guess, they're rounding errors LOL

8. The whole site is a SQL injection nightmare or dream come true, depending on who you are.

9.Phony Whois - Partial phony California USA address. FYI Complaint filed with ICAAN and Net4India.

I have quite a few more, but this should get you started.

+1 Which is why I haven't wanted to touch this site with even a 1000' pole. Bitparking was worlds ahead of this site in terms of reliability, support, and functionality.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: upisdown on September 06, 2011, 03:25:18 AM
Wow trolls are out today.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 03:27:04 AM
@MrMoon

I love how you cut and pasted from this forum and started whining on the Solidcoin forum about me calling the remaining exchanges pathetic after Bitparking and Ruxum closed.

Didn't you already and copy and paste this in two other places? So you are literally criticizing me for responding to you in each location you copy and paste your insults? That is utterly absurd.

Here is your response again:


I love how you cut&amp;paste a quote from a different forum. Here is my response and it definitely outlines things beyond your .in TLD
 
1. You will accept deposits up 8 decimal places but will only allow 2 decimal place withdrawl. Nice little underhanded Indian ripoff.

I did not program the deposit/withdraw functionality on my site. My code is built on the betcoin poker room source code. So your accusation that I am somehow trying to be underhanded is not only racist but unfounded. If this becomes a large concern for the community I would happily invest the time to change this.

It is clear to me you are not above throwing around accusations before actually investigating the truth.

2. Site is very clunky to use. Better have a calculator handy.

If you feel there is a way to improve it you are a free to share it, you seem to make the claim you support open source software. For open source software to improve it needs feedback from the community. I have tough skin, I don't mind criticism but vague insults isn't helpful for improving the site.

3. BTC withdraws are manual and slow to receive. 24+ hours for 2BTC to get to my wallet

This isn't true, but that hasn't stopped you from making unfounded statements before so why start now? You can look at the source code yourself, I only manually process moderator withdrawals. It would be much too time consuming to process each withdrawal. I monitor it every so often to make sure nothing fishy is happening but all user withdraws are automatic. If it was slow that was not the fault of my code.

4. You say &quot;No Transaction Fees&quot; but indeed do charge them

I do not collect withdrawal fees, I don't take a cut from your withdrawal. There are sites that take a portion for the transaction fee and an additional fee on top of that. That is what I mean by no transaction fee, if the community really feels this is unfair wording I will happily change it - I don't really think it would affect new membership rate significantly.

5. You are running a straight up gambling site in conjunction with your exchange. Illegal in the USA and invites authorities to come after you. Adds to the chance of you just disappearing. Probably explains your .in domain as you know .com can handled better by the US Authorities.

So are you a real lawyer or do you just play one one the internet? I'll take advice from my actual lawyer who I pay money too, because he will be the one in court defending me if it ever comes to that.

6. Your support is a gmail address, are you serious?

They are my smtp server too for full disclosure. There are benefits to this including added security, but you clearly aren't really interested in having a civil discussion you just want to find any shallow thing to support your preconceived notions. You should take note from the philosopher Thoreau, "It's never to late to give up your prejudices."

7. You're skimming micro amounts off the conversion transactions (didn't think people would notice). Let me guess, they're rounding errors LOL

My code is open is open source, if I was actually doing this you could provide example source code instead of make silly accusations with no support. Also yes I do take small amounts from each transaction, they are the fees which I openly say I take to maintain the code and provide hosting.

8. The whole site is a SQL injection nightmare or dream come true, depending on who you are.

Which ones? Care to provide examples? Or do you not really support open source software? Because I'm sure betco.in would be interested in knowing too if this was the case.

9.Phony Whois - Partial California USA address - Complaint filed with ICAAN and Net4India.

This is the only legitimate concern I see, but the reason is I want to separate my personal life from this. And trolls like you and drama like this last weekend only makes me feel confident in that decision.
 

I have quite a few more, but this should get you started.

You just appear to be a hateful person trying desperately, grasping at straws, to put any shallow argument together to support your preconceived notions. I really don't have time to waste with this. If you ever actually put together substantial criticism or suggestions which could improve the code for the community please share them but otherwise I'm just going to ignore you from now on. Feel free to email me when you actually want to have a civil and productive discussion.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 03:30:01 AM
+1 Which is why I haven't wanted to touch this site with even a 1000' pole. Bitparking was worlds ahead of this site in terms of reliability, support, and functionality.

How would you know they are worlds ahead in support if you never used my site? Or is that just another preconceived notion you don't feel the need to back up?

You guys are really something. Real intellectuals posting around here, thanks for your insightful inputs that can help my improve my open source code which seeks to support the longterm community.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BitcoinPorn on September 06, 2011, 03:43:40 AM
9.Phony Whois - Partial phony California USA address. FYI Complaint filed with ICAAN and Net4India.

I will fully support any digital currency not backed by malicious Bitcoin users.  So far it is SolidCoin, but I want it to be something else with even less bullshit surrounding it.  But so far it is definitely the BTC users in the way wrong here (this is not an indication that CoinHunter is "in the right", but you are just being a horrible human at this point).


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 03:59:45 AM
I think you're running an exchange that uses doubles instead of decimals.

You know that my source code is open source. So you could look at it to confirm rather then just announce what you think in my thread.

Quality posting.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 04:01:07 AM
I think you're running an exchange that uses doubles instead of decimals.

You know that my source code is open source. So you could look at it to confirm rather then just announce what you think in my thread.

Quality posting.

It's not my job to verify that for you. It's your job as an exchange to be doing it correctly.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 04:14:22 AM
Quote from: BitcoinEXpress
9.Phony Whois - Partial California USA address - Complaint filed with ICAAN and Net4India.

This is the only legitimate concern I see, but the reason is I want to separate my personal life from this. And trolls like you and drama like this last weekend only makes me feel confident in that decision.

Admitted Phony WHOIS information on a financial site

Ah, lovely. Yet another site that, if it turns out to be a scam, we can't locate the operator. Hello, Mybitcoin.com.

If he had a legitimate reason to want that private, there's a mechanism for it. It's called "spend an extra $15 to have the real contact information on file with a company acting as a shield."

But I guess it takes a long time to get the more than 500 worthless SolidCoins you'd have needed to pay for the legal private registration. Yes, I said legal. You're violating the policies of registering a domain name, after all. Which is why you were reported.

And one more thing.

If moonco.in loses their domain or otherwise disappears with everyones' coins, I call dibs on getting to yell "MOXXED!!!"


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:27:17 AM
So you think it ok to ripoff people because someone else built the code? Yes I am straight up accusing you of being underhanded. How is that racist? Is being Indian equal to being a thief?

Yes I do think it is okay to build off of someone elses open source code. I think that is how it improves, Hippach who is a programmer that I repsect and I are able to share our improvements. When one of us makes a security flaw we let the other know and try to work on it together. I think this is a strength.

This response makes me suspect you don't even understand the idea of open source software in general.

Previously explained

Lol, where? You could always copy and paste it, clearly you are know where those buttons on the keyboard are.


Uh, yes it is. Since you like to play word games, Block Explorer shows it processed normal after being sent. Problem is you sat on it for 24 hours.

No it is not and if you took the time to look in the source code you would see I only manually process moderator withdrawals. Do you realize how tedious it would be to process every withdrawal on bitcoin? It would be so unpractical.

Just think before you post, please.


Total BS, Word Games, no matter how you classify it, if you keep a fee, it's transaction fee.
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If the community really felt strongly about it I would change the wording on my advertising, I don't really think it would affect my new user sign up rate significantly.

Don't have to be to know that Internet Gambling or taking bets via the internet without a license is illegal
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Apparently you do because my lawyer disagrees with you. I pay him and he will be the one defending me if we go to court so I think you'll understand when I say I'm going to take his advice.

Once again Gmail for a serious financial support email, are you serious?


I think it is interesting that most of your criticisms are mostly shallow problems with the names of emails and domains. You really can't see the underlying reasons behind my decisions? It appears to me to be arbitrary rules you defined on what is a "serious financial" site.

Now they are transaction fees, since you were caught red handed. Above you clearly said you DO NOT charge fees.


Was I caught red handed? You really are a drama queen.


It is the case, would you like me to demonstrate root access level control. I would be careful. Last time a SC Guru challenged a "helpful supporter" the block chain grew 100X normal rate.


This statement is absurd on so many levels. For one artforz had the respect to actually explain what the specific problem he found was, you have yet show that courtesy. In fact your behavior has been much more akin to realsolid, and I'm live gavin. You say there is a security breach but you refuse to tell me what it is, and if you just told me I could help a whole community by improving open source software.

You have yet explained no specific potential security whole you just made a vague accusation that I could be vulnerable to a very broad array of security holes.

Really its very immature. It's not productive.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:28:11 AM
I think you're running an exchange that uses doubles instead of decimals.

You know that my source code is open source. So you could look at it to confirm rather then just announce what you think in my thread.

Quality posting.

It's not my job to verify that for you. It's your job as an exchange to be doing it correctly.

You realize you are acting just like Realsolid acted to Gavin when Gavin asked for the specifics about the security hole that Realsolid claimed existed within bitcoin?

Good job.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:30:54 AM

This is the only legitimate concern I see, but the reason is I want to separate my personal life from this. And trolls like you and drama like this last weekend only makes me feel confident in that decision.
 

holy shit... sure, lemme go ahead and deposit my funds with a fake whois. just wow.

You do realize you have to have an ID on file to get a real https cert, which should be the one you would be concerned about right?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 04:32:51 AM
You realize you are acting just like Realsolid acted to Gavin when Gavin asked for the specifics about the security hole that Realsolid claimed existed within bitcoin?

Good job.

I'm not talking about a security hole here. I'm talking about basic math performed by the exchange being correct. If you don't know the difference between double and decimal you are not qualified to run an exchange, and if you can't answer the question about which you use then you're proving your exchange isn't legit.

Since someone already pointed out there are math errors, it's a legitimate question. I'm not required to verify whether you're doing it wrong. If you're operating an exchange then it's your responsibility to know what the code you run does.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:33:36 AM
I actually thought of that but then he would have accused me of trolling him. When he first opened the site ... I was trying to be nice.

Since not everyone has English as a first language it occurred to me he might not know, well, the 'less official' meaning of the word moon, and I sent him a short polite PM just to make sure he wasn't caught unawares.

And since he already has a huge problem with anything that isn't sucking up to CoinHunter or his precious crappy exchange...

First you didn't message me when I opened up the site, you messaged me several months afterwards. I also gave you a respectful response, I even shared the story of how I derived the name.

And yes you have trolled this thread relentlessly and provided zero content.

I'm over this though, clearly there are no active moderators on this forum, so why should I even bother, just feeding trolls.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:34:42 AM
You realize you are acting just like Realsolid acted to Gavin when Gavin asked for the specifics about the security hole that Realsolid claimed existed within bitcoin?

Good job.

I'm not talking about a security hole here. I'm talking about basic math performed by the exchange being correct. If you don't know the difference between double and decimal you are not qualified to run an exchange, and if you can't answer the question about which you use then you're proving your exchange isn't legit.

Since someone already pointed out there are math errors, it's a legitimate question. I'm not required to verify whether you're doing it wrong. If you're operating an exchange then it's your responsibility to know what the code you run does.

No one has pointed out math errors, I have asked you to do it but you refuse too. Copy and paste the code that has the math errors if they exist, its open source.

Seriously this is mind numbing.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 06, 2011, 04:36:14 AM

This is the only legitimate concern I see, but the reason is I want to separate my personal life from this. And trolls like you and drama like this last weekend only makes me feel confident in that decision.
 

holy shit... sure, lemme go ahead and deposit my funds with a fake whois. just wow.

You do realize you have to have an ID on file to get a real SSH, which should be the one you would be concerned about right?

Nope.  Don't even know what a SSH is.  Just rubs me the wrong way about the whois.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:38:28 AM

This is the only legitimate concern I see, but the reason is I want to separate my personal life from this. And trolls like you and drama like this last weekend only makes me feel confident in that decision.
 

holy shit... sure, lemme go ahead and deposit my funds with a fake whois. just wow.

You do realize you have to have an ID on file to get a real SSH, which should be the one you would be concerned about right?

Nope.  Don't even know what a SSH is.  Just rubs me the wrong way about the whois.

My mistake, I meant https cert. It is the certificate that lets you know you are really connecting to me and not someone else.

The whois will be corrected.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 04:38:34 AM
First you didn't message me when I opened up the site, you messaged me several months afterwards. I also gave you a respectful response, I even shared the story of how I derived the name.

I never said anything otherwise about your response. The reason I didn't do 'MOONED!' in huge title type was because I wouldn't have wanted to come across as using that exchange of PMs as a public attack later.

Quote
And yes you have trolled this thread relentlessly and provided zero content.

I'm over this though, clearly there are no active moderators on this forum, so why should I even bother, just feeding trolls.

Actually, my comment about doubles to decimals was extremely valid. If you don't agree you have no business handling a financial site, period. As to whether there are active moderators?

Legitimate concerns were brought up about your exchange. CoinHunter may censor that stuff over on HIS forum because he has to suck your dick as hard as he can after doublec and Ruxum bailed, but here, the moderators have allowed relevant conversation to remain. Such as the fact that you are a business taking money with falsified domain records. Such as the fact you apparently can't explain the difference between numeric data types. Such as the fact you apparently thought I was talking about a security flaw, since you brought up CoinHunter's behavior over a supposed flaw in bitcoin.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:40:28 AM
@MrMoon

You clearly stated over and over "There are no transaction fees"

When cornered with the fact that there seems to be math errors during the conversion process, you called it and I quote
"I keep fees from every transaction".

Either you do charge transaction fees or you got caught skimming.

Which is it?

I don't keep fees from every transaction, if that is what I posted I meant to say that I don't keep fees but rather they are immediately used for network transaction fees. If I had to eat these fees I would go bankrupt, I do not keep any of the fee.

If this is really the only issue you have though, I will gladly remove that line from my advertising.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 04:40:41 AM
7. You're skimming micro amounts off the conversion transactions (didn't think people would notice). Let me guess, they're rounding errors LOL

There, Mr.Moon, as requested. Citation for math errors.

The use of floats or doubles in financial code will frequently cause this exact symptom.

[Edit: Removed orphan header line from quote]


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:43:55 AM
7. You're skimming micro amounts off the conversion transactions (didn't think people would notice). Let me guess, they're rounding errors LOL

There, Mr.Moon, as requested. Citation for math errors.

The use of floats or doubles in financial code will frequently cause this exact symptom.

[Edit: Removed orphan header line from quote]

You still have yet to show any examples in my code. Do you not want to help improve my open source project? Or are you just needlessly attacking me because I have some vague association with solidcoins?

What is so ironic is that you criticize realsolid for doing exactly what you are doing right now. He refused to help Gavin out, but rather just said there was problems without ever specifying them. Its really funny in a way.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 04:47:53 AM
You still have yet to show any examples in my code. Do you not want to help improve my open source project? Or are you just needlessly attacking me because I have some vague association with solidcoins?

I was actually asking the question. And to be really, really blunt about this?

If you are running an exchange it is your responsibility to understand what the code you are using does. If you can't answer "Do you use decimal data types?" you should not be running an exchange.

The fact that all you do is spout the "open source, open source, it's your obligation to help improve it" line seems to indicate you don't even know the difference between the two. It is not my responsibility to make your site work correctly, it is _YOURS_, as you want to make money from it. If you actually want me to spend a great deal of my time analyzing your code to determine that it is free of IEEE precision errors in computation or storage, PM me for my rates.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:51:02 AM
I was actually asking the question. And to be really, really blunt about this?

If you are running an exchange it is your responsibility to understand what the code you are using does. If you can't answer "Do you use decimal data types?" you should not be running an exchange.

The fact that all you do is spout the "open source, open source, it's your obligation to help improve it" line seems to indicate you don't even know the difference between the two. It is not my responsibility to make your site work correctly, it is _YOURS_, as you want to make money from it. If you actually want me to spend a great deal of my time analyzing your code to determine that it is free of IEEE precision errors in computation or storage, PM me for my rates.

In all the time that took to type this you could have copied and pasted the issues you claim that exist and really showed me up.

I suspect the real reason you didn't paste them though is because you just made unsubstantial claims that just aren't true.

Nice job acting like real solid. Again quality posting.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 04:54:59 AM
I took that off, just for you Ill say I charge a transaction fee. You would love to make it seem like I'm underhanded but that is just not simply the case.

The transaction fee pays the network fee that I'm charged for sending payments. That fee is passed on. I do not charge any additional fee ontop of that network fee, that is why I felt it was fair to claim that. If you really insist that it is not fair, fine you win. I changed it. However if you want to say that calls my character into question - well you don't really have much credibility after 3 pages of mindless trolling, copying and pasting, wild accusations, vague speculation about security issues and much more.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 05:01:02 AM
In all the time that took to type this you could have copied and pasted the issues you claim that exist and really showed me up.

I suspect the real reason you didn't paste them though is because you just made unsubstantial claims that just aren't true.

Nice job acting like real solid. Again quality posting.

Or you could have actually read through the thread to see what I was talking about.

Someone mentioned an issue with small amounts disappearing despite you saying no fees. Because this is what it would look like if IEEE math was in use, I brought up doubles versus decimals. That is not unsubstantiated, it is posing a possible explanation for an issue someone described which you had not yet addressed.

You then stated you do charge transaction fees, which would also explain the discrepancy in the amounts.

Now you're trying to make the issue be about whether I looked into your code, and whether I'm willing to "help improve it" when in reality the issue is if you are running a business around software, the software is your responsibility, not mine.

And your statement about copying and pasting the issues I claim exist to really show you up? Bzzt. Like I said, someone described a problem, I posted a hypothesis. Instead of simply asserting that you checked the code and it does use a decimal type and that therefore isn't the issue, you demonstrate that, well.

You're even worse than RealSolid. He changed code he didn't fully understand, you're running a business using other peoples' money on code you couldn't answer a very basic question about.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:02:28 AM
@MrMoon

You sir started all of this in response to a statement I made to Coinhunter saying that with the closing of Bitparking and Ruxum that there were only three pathetic exchanges left. You sir have provided the proof for that statement.

I never called out Mooncoin, you jumped out and made a challenge as to why I said that. I simply have responded.

Well I guess that means you have to finish it right? Thats the mature way to have a discussion.

So now you are making the claim you were not calling my exchange pathetic, even though its one of three solidcoin exchanges left?

Look, I don't care if you call my exchange pathetic. I'm a open source software developer, I have tough skin. I just want to know the specifics, I want to sit back down with the code and improve it. I never wanted to get into a pissing match, when I responded to you I was looking for ways I could make my exchange more suitable for everyone.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:05:21 AM


Post the relevant code or even post the thread. I would be happy to look at it and resolve any issues brought up.

Otherwise you are just an immature troll who is bringing nothing to the discussion.

The help text on the site has always said there is a transaction fee taken by the network that we do not cover, so those who said there was small amounts missing from withdrawals were simply not reading the help text on the page. I can try to make it more clear if you feel it was not obvious enough.



Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: smoothie on September 06, 2011, 05:06:15 AM
@MrMoon

You sir started all of this in response to a statement I made to Coinhunter saying that with the closing of Bitparking and Ruxum that there were only three pathetic exchanges left. You sir have provided the proof for that statement.

I never called out Mooncoin, you jumped out and made a challenge as to why I said that. I simply have responded.

Well I guess that means you have to finish it right? Thats the mature way to have a discussion.

So now you are making the claim you were not calling my exchange pathetic, even though its one of three solidcoin exchanges left?

Look, I don't care if you call my exchange pathetic. I'm a open source software developer, I have tough skin. I just want to know the specifics, I want to sit back down with the code and improve it. I never wanted to get into a pissing match, when I responded to you I was looking for ways I could make my exchange more suitable for everyone.

I'm going to take a guess but Mr. Moon here is starting to walk the same path as coinhunter. That path is the path of destruction if he keeps confronting his opposition. Quit while you're ahead dude.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 05:07:39 AM
Look, I don't care if you call my exchange pathetic. I'm a open source software developer, I have tough skin. I just want to know the specifics, I want to sit back down with the code and improve it. I never wanted to get into a pissing match, when I responded to you I was looking for ways I could make my exchange more suitable for everyone.

If that is really true, and you don't know about the issue of floats/doubles versus decimals, and you really are willing to go look in the code you are using to make sure it's being done correctly? JUST ASK. I would be 100% willing to provide you with links to information about the issues with different numeric types, and specific implementation information for whichever language you're using. This open source code is your commercial venture by definition, and I'm not going to do the work. But if you want to do the work I am absolutely willing to provide information on what I was talking about. If it turns out the code was already correct -- and I can't assume so because you have never asserted it -- then fine. If you don't know and you want pointers to information, just ask.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 05:10:51 AM
And for the record, I'm talking about the statement:

7. You're skimming micro amounts off the conversion transactions (didn't think people would notice). Let me guess, they're rounding errors LOL

As I read that, that's not the transaction fees, but selling x SC at y BTC results in a net result where (x*y + your stated fee) is not equal to the amount they receive. And that sort of error is usually caused by use of an IEEE numeric type, hence my post about doubles versus decimals to start with. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, if you're serious about wanting to improve your exchange, please ask me to explain what I'm talking about with numeric types and accuracy.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:11:51 AM
@MrMoon

Is this really necessary every post?

What about the two decimal place withdrawal limit?

It is already on my list of things to do.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:14:31 AM
I'm going to take a guess but Mr. Moon here is starting to walk the same path as coinhunter. That path is the path of destruction if he keeps confronting his opposition. Quit while you're ahead dude.

I don't really think I'm embarrassing myself. I'm giving level headed responses to trolls, because I suspect I might gain some useful information that could help me improve my code.

I'm pretty sure any rational person would read this thread that way. However, you don't come out looking so good with your contentless cheerleading posts. From your posts history I'm guessing you don't really care about your reputation though.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 05:17:34 AM
Now all of the flaws surface as he tries to run with the big dogs and gets all butt hurt like another SC developer when people simply point out the flaws.

Am I missing anything?

Just one thing. The part where the experienced coder in the room suspects Mr.Moon may be serious about wanting to make his exchange better and tries to offer a bit of help. So reserve at least some of your judgment until you see how he responds to the attempt at an olive branch and some well-intentioned information.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:18:00 AM

Mr. Moon gets some code from Betco.in that he really doesn't understand or know or control. Throws it on a site and putts along very quietly because he was a low volume site. No one paid any attention. Suddenly he becomes the number one exchange after the others quit due to Coinhunter's dick maneuver.

Now all of the flaws surface as he tries to run with the big dogs and gets all butt hurt like another SC developer when people simply point out the flaws.

Your posting style is really obnoxious you realize? The bolding and large text and colors really isn't necessary.

So you are just going to go for ad-hom insults now and attack me personally rather then actually show problems with my code?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:19:45 AM
Now all of the flaws surface as he tries to run with the big dogs and gets all butt hurt like another SC developer when people simply point out the flaws.

Am I missing anything?

Just one thing. The part where the experienced coder in the room suspects Mr.Moon may be serious about wanting to make his exchange better and tries to offer a bit of help. So reserve at least some of your judgment until you see how he responds to the attempt at an olive branch and some well-intentioned information.

Please email me with your information, explain the problem in the code, http://moonco.in - go to the bottom and click download sources. You can view the entire source - I would really appreciate it if you point out the problem you see. I will fix it soon as I can and even compensate users for lost funds if possible.

I'm very serious about improving the site and I wish to help create something that will help the whole cryptocurrency community in the long run.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:30:07 AM
Ok maybe this style is more your liking.

The style you make absurd claims without evidence?

1) You charge fees - Admitted

Hrm, no I did not admit I charge fees. Because I do not charge any additional fee over the transaction cost. In fact the entire time you have been posting in this thread the OP specifically explained it in parenthesis. But you aren't into facts, evidence just wild speculation for the sake of comedy I guess?

2) Phony Whois - Admitted

Yes, and it will be corrected. I still maintain its far more important for the HTTPS cert to be legitimate when it comes to security.

3) Two decimal place ripoff - Admitted

Did I admit to that? Really? You are really something.

4) Conversion errors - Admitted

HAHA Where? Can you read? I maintain throughout the entire thread that you should share with me this flaw if it does in fact exist. IF it did exist I would fix it. PLEASE POST IT IF IT EXIST.

and we haven't even talked about the illegal gambling, Amateur Gmail, SQL Injection Vulnerabilities or Slowness in payouts yet.
Do you still wonder why I called the remaining exchanges pathetic or why you might be tad bit suspect?

All these claims you could not support earlier but now are suddenly facts?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: smoothie on September 06, 2011, 05:33:16 AM
Ok maybe this style is more your liking.

The style you make absurd claims without evidence?

1) You charge fees - Admitted

Hrm, no I did not admit I charge fees. Because I do not charge any additional fee over the transaction cost. In fact the entire time you have been posting in this thread the OP specifically explained it in parenthesis. But you aren't into facts, evidence just wild speculation for the sake of comedy I guess?

2) Phony Whois - Admitted

Yes, and it will be corrected. I still maintain its far more important for the HTTPS cert to be legitimate when it comes to security.

3) Two decimal place ripoff - Admitted

Did I admit to that? Really? You are really something.

4) Conversion errors - Admitted

HAHA Where? Can you read? I maintain throughout the entire thread that you should share with me this flaw if it does in fact exist. IF it did exist I would fix it. PLEASE POST IT IF IT EXIST.

and we haven't even talked about the illegal gambling, Amateur Gmail, SQL Injection Vulnerabilities or Slowness in payouts yet.
Do you still wonder why I called the remaining exchanges pathetic or why you might be tad bit suspect?

All these claims you could not support earlier but now are suddenly facts?

Honestly you should quit while you are ahead and stop engaging your opposition like you have recently. That's the same thing coinhunter did and it made him look like an ass as well as piss people off.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 05:36:57 AM
Please email me with your information, explain the problem in the code, http://moonco.in - go to the bottom and click download sources. You can view the entire source - I would really appreciate it if you point out the problem you see. I will fix it soon as I can and even compensate users for lost funds if possible.

Sent you a PM here on the forum.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:39:22 AM
Honestly you should quit while you are ahead and stop engaging your opposition like you have recently. That's the same thing coinhunter did and it made him look like an ass as well as piss people off.

You honestly can't see the difference?

My post are level headed and humble. I'm not afraid of admitting mistakes, I ask for help from the community, I take responsibility for issues that exist and work to fix them in a timely manner.

 If these people have serious concerns I want to address them, what I have realized after 3 pages of trolling is that their claims seem to be unsubstantial. If they do email me with problems though - I will correct them and compensate any lost funds.

I don't think this makes me look bad, I think if anything it shows that I'm a level headed person who is capable of taking criticism. That is a good quality in a business owner and a programmer.

I don't think Realsolid can say the same unfortunately.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:39:54 AM
Please email me with your information, explain the problem in the code, http://moonco.in - go to the bottom and click download sources. You can view the entire source - I would really appreciate it if you point out the problem you see. I will fix it soon as I can and even compensate users for lost funds if possible.

Sent you a PM here on the forum.

Thank you very much I will take a look now and stop wasting my time here =)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: smoothie on September 06, 2011, 05:42:11 AM
Honestly you should quit while you are ahead and stop engaging your opposition like you have recently. That's the same thing coinhunter did and it made him look like an ass as well as piss people off.

You honestly can't see the difference?

My post are level headed and humble. I'm not afraid of admitting mistakes, I ask for help from the community, I take responsibility for issues that exist and work to fix them in a timely manner.

 If these people have serious concerns I want to address them, what I have realized after 3 pages of trolling is that their claims seem to be unsubstantial. If they do email me with problems though - I will correct them and compensate any lost funds.

I don't think this makes me look bad, I think if anything it shows that I'm a level headed person who is capable of taking criticism. That is a good quality in a business owner and a programmer.

I don't think Realsolid can say the same unfortunately.

Whatever you say buddy...


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrMoon on September 06, 2011, 05:42:15 AM
Please email me with your information, explain the problem in the code, http://moonco.in - go to the bottom and click download sources. You can view the entire source - I would really appreciate it if you point out the problem you see. I will fix it soon as I can and even compensate users for lost funds if possible.

Sent you a PM here on the forum.

Thank you, your time is very much appreciated.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: EskimoBob on September 06, 2011, 05:49:46 AM
can yo please fix your charts. 5d and longer show same as 1d.

MrMoon, please take a look at your IRC log. I sent you a long list of bugs and feature requests so you can make this exchange even better.
 


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 06:25:58 AM
I will hold further judgement while Wolftaur works with you.

Until then, best of luck.

I walked Mr.Moon through the code issue I found and verified, and provided a thorough explanation of how it was a problem and information on the approach to fix it. Mr.Moon understands what I was talking about now and will be working on a solution. I volunteered to be available to provide additional pointers and explanation if necessary and my impression is that my report and my offer are being taken seriously.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: smoothie on September 06, 2011, 06:29:17 AM
I will hold further judgement while Wolftaur works with you.

Until then, best of luck.

I walked Mr.Moon through the code issue I found and verified, and provided a thorough explanation of how it was a problem and information on the approach to fix it. Mr.Moon understands what I was talking about now and will be working on a solution. I volunteered to be available to provide additional pointers and explanation if necessary and my impression is that my report and my offer are being taken seriously.

Good to hear! Hope it stays that way.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 07:10:10 AM
Good to hear and even in his post he admitted CoinHunter was a dick. That's a plus for him.

Honestly, I think it may have helped that in the end at least one person was crystal clear about being willing to not just automatically lump them together and do something to be helpful. I like to think that anyway. :)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 06, 2011, 07:32:23 AM
I will hold further judgement while Wolftaur works with you.

Until then, best of luck.

I walked Mr.Moon through the code issue I found and verified, and provided a thorough explanation of how it was a problem and information on the approach to fix it. Mr.Moon understands what I was talking about now and will be working on a solution. I volunteered to be available to provide additional pointers and explanation if necessary and my impression is that my report and my offer are being taken seriously.

Good to hear! Hope it stays that way.

I believe that MrMoon is running a trustworthy site.

@wolftaur helping to fix problems and bugs that you find is really fantastic. I am so pleased to see the community working together to make a better *coin system.  ;D

When *coin (whatever the flavour) goes mainstream the people who actually helped perfect the system will be remembered.

Naysayers, trolls & bluffers ... Who?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 07:55:47 AM
I believe that MrMoon is running a trustworthy site.
The issue I identified isn't any sort of scam or "convenient math" or some crap like that -- it's a peculiarity of computer science that isn't actually explained in most textbooks for some ridiculous reason. As I told Moon when we spoke on AIM about it in detail, I have run into examples of this class of bug many, many, many times in my more than 20 years as a programmer. And moonco.in also isn't the first Bitcoin-or-friends exchange to have this same class of bug when it was new, either. I am aware of one other that acknowledged it, and one more where it could be proven but they quietly fixed it without admitting the mistake.

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@wolftaur helping to fix problems and bugs that you find is really fantastic. I am so pleased to see the community working together to make a better *coin system.  ;D

When *coin (whatever the flavour) goes mainstream the people who actually helped perfect the system will be remembered.
I'm a computer geek. I like teaching solutions to computer science problems and things like that. Honestly, the thing about SolidCoin that had pretty much gotten me really ticked off was that when ArtForz first described issues in SolidCoin I went to CoinHunter privately and tried to volunteer to help, and he flipped out on me. And for a bit I had sort of lumped Mr.Moon in as being the same type because of a few posts going around when everyone was pissed about CoinHunter trying to make SolidCoin closed-source in direct violation of the rights of the original developers. (Seriously, as a programmer, I'm really pissed when someone like CoinHunter steals someone else's code. Yes, steals, he changed the license, removed copyrights crediting the actual creators, specifically denied rights to the Bitcoin developers...)

But when Mr.Moon made a serious comment about wanting to improve the exchange? Well, I'm a computer geek first, an opinionated forum member second. :) And if the result is some interesting bugs that are from an obscure and neglected part of computer science get fixed I'm happy!

And this, right here, is what community is supposed to be about in software development. I'm not even a user of the moonco.in exchange, and I suspect Mr.Moon knew that, but I was still completely willing to offer help when she was willing to ask for it. Everyone who uses the exchange will get to benefit, and by extension, everyone with an interest in the currency, and the whole concept of cryptocurrency in general gets to be legitimized when two people who started the evening at each others throats can toss that aside to go fix an interesting geek problem. :)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
He may be a no good useless asshole but you as a programmer should know how to read a license that said software is under which is the MIT/X11 and that license allows you to do whatever you damn well please including re-license, with the code as long as you preserve original copyright notices in the source files, now if he has done that then you have only that point to make the rest of the statement is in error. If the original developers wanted the source to always remain open then they should have used different license like the GPL which would prevent the situation you describe but they did not so tough luck for them they should have thought ahead...

You should think before you type.

CoinHunter did not preserve the original copyright notices. He changed notices to claim full ownership and specifically denied any rights to the Bitcoin team.

He's also using a third-party library illegally. The BDB library is dual-licensed. The owner of the library demands payment for use in the library of any software which is distributed publicly but is not free open source on an OSI-approved license, and SolidCoin is thus in violation. CoinHunter can scream "Hey bitcoin is MIT/X11" all he wants, but BDB is not MIT/X11, and its owner has every right to indicate the use of BDB under a BSD license is _only_ authorized for projects with an open license, otherwise, pay money.

CoinHunter had the right to relicense his code if and only if he retained original copyright notices (he didn't) and only if he remained in compliance with the licenses of code he used which was NOT extended under the MIT/X11 license.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: doublec on September 06, 2011, 10:15:21 AM
MrMoon, how many confirmations do you wait for for deposits? Your site says one but one confirmation seems pretty dangerous since it makes it much easier for a double spend to occur. Note that this is not intended as an attack on your site, it's a genuine question and suggestion to make it safer.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: aq on September 06, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
I believe that MrMoon is running a trustworthy site.
The issue I identified isn't any sort of scam or "convenient math" or some crap like that -- it's a peculiarity of computer science that isn't actually explained in most textbooks for some ridiculous reason. As I told Moon when we spoke on AIM about it in detail, I have run into examples of this class of bug many, many, many times in my more than 20 years as a programmer. And moonco.in also isn't the first Bitcoin-or-friends exchange to have this same class of bug when it was new, either. I am aware of one other that acknowledged it, and one more where it could be proven but they quietly fixed it without admitting the mistake.

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@wolftaur helping to fix problems and bugs that you find is really fantastic. I am so pleased to see the community working together to make a better *coin system.  ;D

When *coin (whatever the flavour) goes mainstream the people who actually helped perfect the system will be remembered.
I'm a computer geek. I like teaching solutions to computer science problems and things like that. Honestly, the thing about SolidCoin that had pretty much gotten me really ticked off was that when ArtForz first described issues in SolidCoin I went to CoinHunter privately and tried to volunteer to help, and he flipped out on me. And for a bit I had sort of lumped Mr.Moon in as being the same type because of a few posts going around when everyone was pissed about CoinHunter trying to make SolidCoin closed-source in direct violation of the rights of the original developers. (Seriously, as a programmer, I'm really pissed when someone like CoinHunter steals someone else's code. Yes, steals, he changed the license, removed copyrights crediting the actual creators, specifically denied rights to the Bitcoin developers...)

But when Mr.Moon made a serious comment about wanting to improve the exchange? Well, I'm a computer geek first, an opinionated forum member second. :) And if the result is some interesting bugs that are from an obscure and neglected part of computer science get fixed I'm happy!

And this, right here, is what community is supposed to be about in software development. I'm not even a user of the moonco.in exchange, and I suspect Mr.Moon knew that, but I was still completely willing to offer help when she was willing to ask for it. Everyone who uses the exchange will get to benefit, and by extension, everyone with an interest in the currency, and the whole concept of cryptocurrency in general gets to be legitimized when two people who started the evening at each others throats can toss that aside to go fix an interesting geek problem. :)
@wolftaur: good job :)

So apparently MrMoon is not an idiot, not as coinhunter. MrMoon even acknowledged that coinhunter is a dick. Now that leaves the question, why should someone rational expose himself to some coinhunter software and all its daily bugs?

Coinhunter/realsolid does not even care if he introduces new bugs:
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noagendamarket> I mean they have to be very careful because of the value of the bitcoin ecoinomy
noagendamarket> Every bug change has to be tested thouroughly
RealSolid> noagendamarket: right, thats just an explanation for lack of development
noagendamarket> Its one explanation
RealSolid> well they can have their slow and buggy product, even if i do introduce a few bugs (Like in 1.03 tx)
RealSolid> i fix them quickly (1.04)

He is even proud to do no testing. So how can someone having a sane mind implement some exchange on top of this?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 10:39:03 AM
So apparently MrMoon is not an idiot, not as coinhunter. MrMoon even acknowledged that coinhunter is a dick. Now that leaves the question, why should someone rational expose himself to some coinhunter software and all its daily bugs?
MrMoon was just yanked into the gravity well of the black hole that is CoinHunter's egomaniacal singularity. (And honestly, some of the blame for that rests squarely on those of us who were angry with CoinHunter.) The discussion we had on AIM was extremely civil and polite and I have to say I think it was very obvious to me that MrMoon's main goal was to improve upon the work he is doing.

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Coinhunter/realsolid does not even care if he introduces new bugs:

He is even proud to do no testing. So how can someone having a sane mind implement some exchange on top of this?

I cut out the chat log because it won't be relevant to the point I'll need to make.

I strongly suspect MrMoon would give due consideration to using the open-source fork instead of the official release if it is viable when things settle down a little bit. But if MrMoon is attempting to run a viable exchange he does not actually have completely free choice of which block chain fork to support: from a business perspective, he's going to need to support the one the users want.

MrMoon, I think you might want to consider a poll on your site. Let your registered, trading users who support your business weigh in on which chain you should use. If 90% of them want the official chain, then even though I personally would be against it... You can't have a business with no customers. Or you could just see which chain is even viable down the road -- if 90% of them want the official chain but the official chain is 100% broken it may not matter what they want. And of course if 90% of them want the fork but the fork isn't usable then that's just the same thing. On this point you don't have to be in the politics if you don't want to: you can either leave it to the users or just go with whichever gains the majority use and hash rate assuming the chains are split.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 06, 2011, 05:01:36 PM
I just registered on Moonco.in.  It looks a lot different now than it did a few days ago when I first visited it (that's a good thing).  Thanks for building this service, MM!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: cgpgroup on September 06, 2011, 07:06:37 PM
for anyone who does not know mooncoin skims coins when you do withdrawals... you can only withdraw 2 digits after the decimal place. so if you balance is 3.236578... you can only withdraw 3.23, the 0.006578 stays in your account with them... once you close your account.... its theirs... I call that thievery.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 07:45:17 PM
for anyone who does not know mooncoin skims coins when you do withdrawals... you can only withdraw 2 digits after the decimal place. so if you balance is 3.236578... you can only withdraw 3.23, the 0.006578 stays in your account with them... once you close your account.... its theirs... I call that thievery.

MrMoon has already stated earlier in this thread he will be fixing that. I discovered another flaw in his exchange code which I discussed with him at length last night and he is working on handling that, so I would suggest giving him a bit of slack and waiting to see if he lives up to his word on fixing the reported issues -- my impression of him last night is that he genuinely intends to improve on anything that needs work.

And if you've read enough threads to see how vocal I am about people who screw up, you should take it pretty seriously that _I_ am saying give the guy a fair shot to fix the mistake.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 06, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
Site seems to be down right now :(


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: smoothie on September 06, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
for anyone who does not know mooncoin skims coins when you do withdrawals... you can only withdraw 2 digits after the decimal place. so if you balance is 3.236578... you can only withdraw 3.23, the 0.006578 stays in your account with them... once you close your account.... its theirs... I call that thievery.

@ Mr. Moon - The above quote states a fair fix in your exchange site. Users should be able to withdraw all coins to every decimal place.  ::)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Kermee on September 06, 2011, 08:15:20 PM
Site is down for me too :(

Cheers,
Kermee


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: FractalUniverse on September 06, 2011, 08:24:21 PM
for anyone who does not know mooncoin skims coins when you do withdrawals... you can only withdraw 2 digits after the decimal place. so if you balance is 3.236578... you can only withdraw 3.23, the 0.006578 stays in your account with them... once you close your account.... its theirs... I call that thievery.

how about depositing 1.763422 first and then withdraw 5.0? thats what i did when i wanted to withdraw completely BTC or NMC from bitparking and britcoin and my remaining funds there were below withdrawal limit

I call that user stupidity not moonco.in's thievery


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 06, 2011, 08:31:19 PM
Site seems to be down right now :(

Me too. Maybe an update?

Mr Moon?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 08:39:26 PM
Site seems to be down right now :(

Me too. Maybe an update?

Mr Moon?

I was just speaking to MrMoon on AIM, primarily to ask how he made out with documentation I gave him last night.

Exchange is apparently being DDoSed, he's trying to handle it.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 06, 2011, 08:47:39 PM
And we are back!

Thanks @wolftaur

 ;D


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: wolftaur on September 06, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
And we are back!

Thanks @wolftaur

I didn't help with that, I was just relaying the info :)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: cgpgroup on September 06, 2011, 08:55:07 PM
for anyone who does not know mooncoin skims coins when you do withdrawals... you can only withdraw 2 digits after the decimal place. so if you balance is 3.236578... you can only withdraw 3.23, the 0.006578 stays in your account with them... once you close your account.... its theirs... I call that thievery.

how about depositing 1.763422 first and then withdraw 5.0? thats what i did when i wanted to withdraw completely BTC or NMC from bitparking and britcoin and my remaining funds there were below withdrawal limit

I call that user stupidity not moonco.in's thievery

That works for Bitcoins if you dont pay a transaction fee, but that makes no sense if you are trying to withdraw solidcoins. you would be paying a 0.01 transaction fee to deposit the 1.763422 so you can get 0.006578... its thievery dude.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 09, 2011, 03:42:00 AM
503 Service Temporarily Unavailable

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: FractalUniverse on September 09, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
for anyone who does not know mooncoin skims coins when you do withdrawals... you can only withdraw 2 digits after the decimal place. so if you balance is 3.236578... you can only withdraw 3.23, the 0.006578 stays in your account with them... once you close your account.... its theirs... I call that thievery.

how about depositing 1.763422 first and then withdraw 5.0? thats what i did when i wanted to withdraw completely BTC or NMC from bitparking and britcoin and my remaining funds there were below withdrawal limit

I call that user stupidity not moonco.in's thievery

That works for Bitcoins if you dont pay a transaction fee, but that makes no sense if you are trying to withdraw solidcoins. you would be paying a 0.01 transaction fee to deposit the 1.763422 so you can get 0.006578... its thievery dude.

ah.ok.yes.hmm. isn't it ~like 0.0005 dollars?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: FractalUniverse on September 09, 2011, 08:06:37 AM
@MrMoon : Would it be possible to offer SLC/NMC trading as well?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 09, 2011, 03:49:10 PM
@MrMoon - I'm having a slight issue with a withdrawal I made yesterday, it's still reading as not processed but the funds were removed from the account. Any idea what happens in these situations?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: EskimoBob on September 11, 2011, 03:48:20 PM
Screw this "exchange"! If this guy can not answer hes clients for days (or is it weeks now?), can not fix simple calculation errors and so on, how in hell can I trust this character with my coin? Exchange is all about speed, security and precision...






Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 11, 2011, 05:29:16 PM
And it's down currently.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrWizard on September 11, 2011, 06:23:23 PM
"...currently."?
You're a bigger optimist than I am.  I say it is down permanently.  Hope they prove me wrong.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Moray on September 11, 2011, 06:25:59 PM
I doubt that... It's not it's first time .


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 11, 2011, 06:43:29 PM
Its down, do you know?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: EskimoBob on September 11, 2011, 07:29:26 PM
mooncoin got lucky when scexchange.bitparking.com stopped SLC trading. I guess now its time to for https://solidcoin24.com to get lucky ;)
Spread the wealth! 


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: ibko on September 11, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
Mr. Mooncoin, where are you? We need you are here! RSVP!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 11, 2011, 09:32:44 PM
Where is this guy?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MrWizard on September 11, 2011, 10:09:03 PM
Where is this guy?
What an a-hole this MrMoon is!  He has logged-in to this forum TODAY.  But he refuses to answer concerned peoples questions!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 11, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
Yeah I have a feeling we all just got bent over and shafted with no Vasoline.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 11, 2011, 10:34:36 PM
I'm sure he updated his admittedly fake WHOIS, like he said he would.

right?  right?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 12, 2011, 12:12:33 AM
This is starting to look a little suspicious, I can understand if this was an extensive DDoS like was had 5 days ago, but a quick "I'm giving her everything she's got captain!" or even a "FU guys, I'm taking your SC/BTCs and not even those meddling kids and their stupid dog will stop me!" would suffice.
I was just speaking to MrMoon on AIM, primarily to ask how he made out with documentation I gave him last night.

Exchange is apparently being DDoSed, he's trying to handle it.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 12, 2011, 12:42:12 AM
Has he been on AIM lately?  He was on this forum today, but hasn't posted anything about the site :(


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 12, 2011, 12:57:24 AM
If he's logged in today and hasn't said anything, there are two things I can think of:

He's closed up shop, taking the goods with him

or

He's screwed something up and doesn't know how to confront the masses yet.


In either case, looks like those SC/BTC are gone.

myMooncoin anyone?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 12, 2011, 01:26:38 AM
If he's logged in today and hasn't said anything, there are two things I can think of:

He's closed up shop, taking the goods with him

or

He's screwed something up and doesn't know how to confront the masses yet.


In either case, looks like those SC/BTC are gone.

myMooncoin anyone?
Out of those two scenarios, I'd guess the latter.  Last night I noticed that the site switched from six (?) decimal places to eight, I think.  It seemed to work ok, but I didn't really do any trading so I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

Besides, if he was going to take the money and run, why would he take SCs?  I mean where's he going to trade them all in at?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 12, 2011, 01:30:24 AM
^ https://solidcoin24.com/p/main/start.htm


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 12, 2011, 01:34:50 AM
There's not enough volume to support a dump, even a long drawn out one.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 12, 2011, 01:42:22 AM
Out of those two scenarios, I'd guess the latter.  Last night I noticed that the site switched from six (?) decimal places to eight, I think.  It seemed to work ok, but I didn't really do any trading so I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

Besides, if he was going to take the money and run, why would he take SCs?  I mean where's he going to trade them all in at?

Yeah, I see your point, but if he were gonna take the BTC, he couldn't just leave the SC up.  Right now everyone is waiting, giving him more time (if he did take it and run).

I'd like to believe the guy was legit, but this just doesn't look good.  Does anyone know if he was reputable?  How long has he been established?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: GlenBot on September 12, 2011, 01:56:19 AM
Moonco.in is still down...


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 01:56:44 AM
My guess is MrMoon is legitimate, however, blackhat types may have flooded the exchange with fake solidcoins (and fake confirmations) and used those to buy bitcoins which they then withdrew.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 12, 2011, 02:10:40 AM
Interesting proposition. Any basis?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: kjlimo on September 12, 2011, 02:12:33 AM
I also believe (hope) that MrMoon is legit.  I started doing the gambling last night and was really looking forward to watching that during football today....  I hope the site comes up again soon!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 02:16:18 AM
Interesting proposition. Any basis?

Yes, I remember the site saying that they wait for "1 confirmation" this may have changed though but remember solidcoin is such a small network with a relatively low difficulty it would be easy for any moderate to large miner to mine multiple blocks in a row.

Was anyone having trouble withdrawing coins in the days before the site went down?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 12, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
I had an issue with a BTC withdrawal on the 9th, took 5+ hrs to confirm which was uncharacteristically long. All SC transactions have also moved smoothly.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 02:23:47 AM
I had an issue with a BTC withdrawal on the 9th, took 5+ hrs to confirm which was uncharacteristically long. All SC transactions have also moved smoothly.

That's some good news, at least. Hopefully MrMoon is just having technical issues and will be back up soon. We hope for a statement soon. Other than that the only thing we can go on is the block explorers.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 12, 2011, 02:27:28 AM
I find it ironic that the day I dump in 5 BTC to start trading on the variance this happens. I don't mind though that they were purchased at the $4 and change low :D


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 02:47:05 AM
I am just wondering if anyone has examined the source for possible 0days:

https://github.com/MrMoon/Mooncoin



Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: joulesbeef on September 12, 2011, 04:54:46 AM
time for someone to put up an copy already.. call it newmooco.in or darksideofthemoonco.in

I got slc burning to trade


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: ibko on September 12, 2011, 05:44:38 AM
Got a raindrop of good news. Keep hope in your mind!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 05:55:02 AM
Got a raindrop of good news. Keep hope in your mind!

source?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 12, 2011, 06:08:36 AM
Got a raindrop of good news. Keep hope in your mind!
Details?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 06:14:10 AM
Check your fortune cookie for further info:

http://www.wisdomportal.com/JS/RandomFortunes.html


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: ibko on September 12, 2011, 06:22:31 AM
Soource = details is (are) PM from mr. Moon in my emailbox. Just an answer to my question, but he is alive and working! Nothing more.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 12, 2011, 06:27:08 AM
That's good news. What was your question?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: ibko on September 12, 2011, 06:36:01 AM
caston, try PM to him. it worked in my case, maybe it will work in yours. My Q was about lost transaction (deposit to moonco.in). Mr. M promised to buy Ferrari for me (joke)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: MaGNeT on September 12, 2011, 06:25:59 PM
It's back up :)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 12, 2011, 08:12:54 PM
Check your fortune cookie for further info:

http://www.wisdomportal.com/JS/RandomFortunes.html


Your fortune cookie today says:

A cheerful letter or message is on its way to you.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 13, 2011, 01:32:01 AM
Yes, its back up sweet :)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 13, 2011, 02:39:02 AM
Dear Newborn Baby Raptor Jesus, let it stay up.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 13, 2011, 08:48:35 AM
Dear Newborn Baby Raptor Jesus, let it stay up.

Someone must have made baby Jesus angry because its down again:

Quote
Service Temporarily Unavailable

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
Apache/2.2.17 (Ubuntu) Server at moonco.in Port 443


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: drlatino999 on September 13, 2011, 09:27:36 AM
Okay apache, as a service I like you so when you said temporarily down, I expect this to be fixed by the time I'm done with PT. Could this been intentional downtime to do with the attack planned on namecoin?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 13, 2011, 09:46:29 AM
Lorna:

Your fortune cookie today says:

Love is a roller coaster,
it has its ups and downs.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: EskimoBob on September 13, 2011, 05:38:17 PM
Mooncoin exchange is just another fuck up in solidcoins long list of crap and a perfect example of utter incompetence on every imaginable level.

R.I.P
[/size]

"You have to sell porn to trust this idiot"


 


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Dacm4n on September 13, 2011, 10:15:35 PM
Hey Moon I deposited a few solidcoins earlier today and there still not showing up in my balance even though they have more than enough confirms. Is the network just to slow right now?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: joe82 on September 13, 2011, 10:34:27 PM
0,0063 moonco.in
0,0052 btc-e.com

RIP Solid
 
you were good boy.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: EskimoBob on September 14, 2011, 08:36:22 AM
Hey Moon I deposited a few solidcoins earlier today and there still not showing up in my balance even though they have more than enough confirms. Is the network just to slow right now?

mr_moon seems to be not answering questions from anyone the exchange has been down/broken for days good luck in ever seeing any coins from it again...

In those last 8 days we have had multiple shit storms in *coin community. This joker, who runs the moonco xchange has made exactly 0 public announcements to let us know, wtf is going on with the exchange. This in not how exchange is operated!
Level of his incompetence and carelessness has sunken to a completely new level. Amazing!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 14, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
Well I have 8btc remaining there so its not the end of the world but it will come in handy.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 15, 2011, 01:56:05 AM
Quite an extended downtime this time. Anyone able to find him in irc again?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Lorna Morgan on September 15, 2011, 05:53:11 PM
Mmmmmmm

 :(

I think that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement www.ice.gov/ has taken the URL. Gambling perhaps?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 15, 2011, 05:56:20 PM
crap... does anyone know the IP?... or maybe its time for MrMoon to get a .bit address


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: joulesbeef on September 15, 2011, 08:54:20 PM
the original ip redirects to ice as well
his gmail addy is gone as well
and his reddit account


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: w00ly on September 15, 2011, 10:45:29 PM
he could easily setup forwarding to ice on his own, the fact that his email and reddit accounts are gone lead me to believe he's definitely stolen those coin. Has anyone checked the blockchain mooncoin transactions?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: joulesbeef on September 16, 2011, 12:39:53 AM
someone could have gotten his passwords and deleted his email and server and reddit.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 16, 2011, 12:41:14 AM
someone could have gotten his passwords and deleted his email and server and reddit.

If someone had done that, and he was in the clear, all it takes is making a new account to post that he's been hacked.

No announcement = no concern.

Scammers gonna scam.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Mousepotato on September 16, 2011, 01:55:28 AM
Moonco.in has only been around a few weeks.  Govt. agencies don't act THAT fast.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: CoinHunter on September 16, 2011, 03:54:59 AM
For all those with SC involved, please go to this thread and give the deposit addresses and your balance when it went down. If it is indeed a "Scam" or moon never returns I can help fix some of the fraud that went on in SolidCoin 2.0 and hopefully return some or all of it to those users. We have some of his main deposit addresses and can "block" them from going back to him, instead giving them to the users of the service.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/ (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: RandyFolds on September 16, 2011, 04:52:58 AM
For all those with SC involved, please go to this thread and give the deposit addresses and your balance when it went down. If it is indeed a "Scam" or moon never returns I can help fix some of the fraud that went on in SolidCoin 2.0 and hopefully return some or all of it to those users. We have some of his main deposit addresses and can "block" them from going back to him, instead giving them to the users of the service.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/ (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/)


Haha...the central bank of CoinHunter. Wow...that's pretty fucked. What's more fucked is that people are actually participating in your douchebaggery.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 16, 2011, 04:57:02 AM
Haha...the central bank of CoinHunter. Wow...that's pretty fucked. What's more fucked is that people are actually participating in your douchebaggery.

Don't forget, he'll be paying these with the new mining taxes he has on 2.0.

Yes, miners pay taxes in Solidcoin.

/boggle


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 16, 2011, 05:18:43 AM
No, No John you have it wrong. It isn't a tax, it's simply 1 coin from every block that goes into compensating Coinhunter for his divine intellect.

Do you understand now John?


Certainly!

1. Start SC 2.0 Exchange
2. Wait for CH to break the chain
3. Take all the wallets.
4. Profit
5. Wait for CH to double those wallets with taxes taken from miners
6. Profit... x2!

No no no, that is too much effort.

Who wants to take bets the 'Tax' wallet will be stolen? But don't worry peasant miners - SC 3.0 will have DOUBLE the taxes!  Double the security, amirite?!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 12:45:11 PM
For all those with SC involved, please go to this thread and give the deposit addresses and your balance when it went down. If it is indeed a "Scam" or moon never returns I can help fix some of the fraud that went on in SolidCoin 2.0 and hopefully return some or all of it to those users. We have some of his main deposit addresses and can "block" them from going back to him, instead giving them to the users of the service.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/ (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/)

Wow so those who had BTC in moonco.in are not going to get bailed out too? What about those holding namecoins?

I figured you could return all *coins since you're the almighty "coinhunter".



Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: zebedee on September 16, 2011, 12:56:54 PM
Haha...the central bank of CoinHunter. Wow...that's pretty fucked. What's more fucked is that people are actually participating in your douchebaggery.

Hehe, it didn't take CH long to recreate the fiat currency fraud all over again:

  • Central Bank
  • Taxes
  • Bailouts

What's next?  Entitlements?  Spending taxes for the good of the community?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 16, 2011, 01:31:48 PM
Tax isn't such a bad idea as it would encourage a portion to be put aside for spending towards the public good. It may even encourage its use as a currency rather than a fiat burp. You just need to keep it low enough that you don't lose people to the other currencies. I welcome alternate currencies that experiment with "taxation" because it may actually be fairer and easier to manage (and far more advanced) than the incumbent tax systems of the existing world order.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: CoinHunter on September 16, 2011, 01:33:36 PM
No one is asking any of you to invest in a currency with a CPF, so if it bothers you then just stay away from it. From my calculations however a currency with CPF (like USD and every other real currency) has a higher chance of succeeding than one that does not. It's up to you people if you think it's bad to stay away from it, only the future will determine if that is a good decision on your part or not.

The psychic predictions which have no relation to human history however seem rather stupid.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 04:06:16 PM
No one is asking any of you to invest in a currency with a CPF, so if it bothers you then just stay away from it. From my calculations however a currency with CPF (like USD and every other real currency) has a higher chance of succeeding than one that does not. It's up to you people if you think it's bad to stay away from it, only the future will determine if that is a good decision on your part or not.

The psychic predictions which have no relation to human history however seem rather stupid.


Calculations? Where?

You talk in such vague absurdities. How should anyone take you seriously?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 16, 2011, 04:18:16 PM
Tax isn't such a bad idea as it would encourage a portion to be put aside for spending towards the public good. It may even encourage its use as a currency rather than a fiat burp. You just need to keep it low enough that you don't lose people to the other currencies. I welcome alternate currencies that experiment with "taxation" because it may actually be fairer and easier to manage (and far more advanced) than the incumbent tax systems of the existing world order.

The only people getting 'taxxed' are the miners.  Not the vendors, not the merchants, not the middleman, no one else down the line is getting 'taxxed'.

Just the miners.

Infact, if you're already pregening ONE MILLION COINS, goahead and take your taxes out of there.  Damn this isn't rocket science.

LOL I wont even in stall SC X.X on my hdd anymore.  Even if I could make a few extra BTC.... the whole thing is just slimey.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Tax isn't such a bad idea as it would encourage a portion to be put aside for spending towards the public good. It may even encourage its use as a currency rather than a fiat burp. You just need to keep it low enough that you don't lose people to the other currencies. I welcome alternate currencies that experiment with "taxation" because it may actually be fairer and easier to manage (and far more advanced) than the incumbent tax systems of the existing world order.

The only people getting 'taxxed' are the miners.  Not the vendors, not the merchants, not the middleman, no one else down the line is getting 'taxxed'.

Just the miners.

Infact, if you're already pregening ONE MILLION COINS, goahead and take your taxes out of there.  Damn this isn't rocket science.

LOL I wont even in stall SC X.X on my hdd anymore.  Even if I could make a few extra BTC.... the whole thing is just slimey.

+1


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 06:14:03 PM
For all those with SC involved, please go to this thread and give the deposit addresses and your balance when it went down. If it is indeed a "Scam" or moon never returns I can help fix some of the fraud that went on in SolidCoin 2.0 and hopefully return some or all of it to those users. We have some of his main deposit addresses and can "block" them from going back to him, instead giving them to the users of the service.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/ (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/)


LOL This is the biggest line of shit I've seen from him yet. Here he gets to act like he is going to help, act like a Saviour and defers the action. Geez Do you really think people can't see through this.

But please be reminded, I told you all over a week ago that Mooncoin was a SCAM and was blasted.

Wait, what? He's asking people to post their mooncoin deposit address so that he can revert those coins back with SolidCoin 2.0? How stupid can this get? I already sold my SC for BTC on mooncoin. I'll post that deposit address, so I can get those SC back! Or better yet, I will post all the addresses I ever sent SC to. How the heck is he supposed to know if the addresses are indeed mooncoin's.

CoinHunter/RealSolid keeps impressing me with his arrogance and stupidness.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 06:53:30 PM
For all those with SC involved, please go to this thread and give the deposit addresses and your balance when it went down. If it is indeed a "Scam" or moon never returns I can help fix some of the fraud that went on in SolidCoin 2.0 and hopefully return some or all of it to those users. We have some of his main deposit addresses and can "block" them from going back to him, instead giving them to the users of the service.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/ (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/217-mooncoin-deposit-address-thread/)


LOL This is the biggest line of shit I've seen from him yet. Here he gets to act like he is going to help, act like a Saviour and defers the action. Geez Do you really think people can't see through this.

But please be reminded, I told you all over a week ago that Mooncoin was a SCAM and was blasted.

Wait, what? He's asking people to post their mooncoin deposit address so that he can revert those coins back with SolidCoin 2.0? How stupid can this get? I already sold my SC for BTC on mooncoin. I'll post that deposit address, so I can get those SC back! Or better yet, I will post all the addresses I ever sent SC to. How the heck is he supposed to know if the addresses are indeed mooncoin's.

CoinHunter/RealSolid keeps impressing me with his arrogance and stupidness.

+1


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 16, 2011, 07:52:23 PM
Moon's alleged response

http://pastie.org/2544332

http://i.imgur.com/ZrzKL.png


Edit:  The guy had the sense to use bcrypt, but managed to get his domain,reddit,and gmail all hacked at the same time.

His own passwords weren't safe, but he assures you yours are.


If you had the bright idea of using the same password here as you did elsewhere,

CHANGE YOUR PASSWORDS


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 07:55:43 PM
Moon's alleged response

http://pastie.org/2544332

http://i.imgur.com/ZrzKL.png


Edit:  The guy had the sense to use bcrypt, but managed to get his domain,reddit,and gmail all hacked at the same time.

His own passwords weren't safe, but he assures you yours are.


If you had the bright idea of using the same password here as you did elsewhere,

CHANGE YOUR PASSWORDS

Read: I stole your bitcoins, solidcoins, etc. and am Lying to your face.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 08:02:29 PM
I'm sorry but there is too many convenient incidents where people are just playing dumb. How can you have non-complex passwords to all of your main accounts?

This is BS.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 16, 2011, 09:39:17 PM
One thing is for sure, Mr. Moon was NOT using bcrypt. I timed the login and it was wayyyy too fast to use bcrypt.

I'd also sent him messages reporting bugs and issues, as the single block confirmation on deposits.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: doublec on September 16, 2011, 09:47:15 PM
One thing is for sure, Mr. Moon was NOT using bcrypt. I timed the login and it was wayyyy too fast to use crypt.
He changed to bcrypt recently but you had to change your password to have it re-encrypted. Did you test after that?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 16, 2011, 10:18:39 PM
One thing is for sure, Mr. Moon was NOT using bcrypt. I timed the login and it was wayyyy too fast to use crypt.
He changed to bcrypt recently but you had to change your password to have it re-encrypted. Did you test after that?

No, before. It was already there a message saying he used "bcrypt", but his site login time would show more something like md5 or ripemd160.
After that change I went there once, but the site was slow allover, no way to measure that.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: RandyFolds on September 16, 2011, 10:27:24 PM
M-O-O-N; that spells scam.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Splirow on September 17, 2011, 12:51:42 AM
Well....I guess we got



MOONED!!!         for sure!

http://www.e-forwards.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mooned-halloween.jpeg


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 17, 2011, 12:58:07 AM
My losses: about 2 btc and 400 scamcoins... ups!... "solid"

Not that much, if we consider the current value of a scamcoin... damn, again!... "solid" is about -0,000000000000000(...)001 btc


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on September 17, 2011, 01:26:25 AM
Lol,I guess you guys never looked at the cert.


"moonco.in uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for www.ice.gov

(Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)"


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 17, 2011, 01:36:13 AM
Lol,I guess you guys never looked at the cert.


"moonco.in uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for www.ice.gov

(Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)"

Yes, we did... pointing his domain at customs makes me believe that guy lives in a place where customs have more power so he's used to look at them as sort of "major authority", like harbor areas, near the border...




Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on September 17, 2011, 02:14:21 AM
^^That's the specific reason why I brought it up.ICE's responsibility is interior enforcement not the border regions,CBP is responsible for what you mentioned !!!!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: trasp on September 17, 2011, 12:30:36 PM
And noone thinks of the possibility that his workstation was breached and keyloggers or such put in place... Whitehats and blackhats do this shit for fun, throw in a bounty on it and they will go nuts. Not saying Mr.Moon is innocent, but still... who the hell knows...


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: johnj on September 17, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
And noone thinks of the possibility that his workstation was breached and keyloggers or such put in place... Whitehats and blackhats do this shit for fun, throw in a bounty on it and they will go nuts. Not saying Mr.Moon is innocent, but still... who the hell knows...

And innocent people try to clear their name.

If he doesn't show up to account for other peoples losses or for his own actions, we're left with no other conclusion that hes a big fat scam-scam.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: joulesbeef on September 17, 2011, 04:59:56 PM
^^That's the specific reason why I brought it up.ICE's responsibility is interior enforcement not the border regions,CBP is responsible for what you mentioned !!!!


not sure what you are getting at. First he claims it was hackers and not ice, so the cert is probably a herring(yes even if he was a scammer0

ICE does and has seized domains owned by foriegn entities, you can good list of domains seized by ice to see a few.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 17, 2011, 05:14:48 PM
^^That's the specific reason why I brought it up.ICE's responsibility is interior enforcement not the border regions,CBP is responsible for what you mentioned !!!!


not sure what you are getting at. First he claims it was hackers and not ice, so the cert is probably a herring(yes even if he was a scammer0

ICE does and has seized domains owned by foriegn entities, you can good list of domains seized by ice to see a few.

He's stating that ICE did NOT seized the domain, "Mr. Moon" pointed it there.

But the fact he used that to try to "cover up", also shows he's probably American and from a place or work on a area where ICE have special "authority". It's not a sort of force to be felt everywhere.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: mike85123 on September 18, 2011, 06:51:42 PM
When ICE takes over a domain, they put up a quick splash page saying ICE took it over.  I lost 10.5 BTC and about 400 SC to this scumbag..


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 18, 2011, 07:00:53 PM
It's amazing how stupid many of you are to have left your coins on his site given the uncertainty of how truly trustworthy he was.

Remember the guy's site was down for like a few days purely because there was a power outage at his home and he was away.

Brilliant!

LESSON: Don't leave your coins on an untrustworthy site for long periods of time.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: mike85123 on September 18, 2011, 07:33:14 PM
It's amazing how stupid many of you are to have left your coins on his site given the uncertainty of how truly trustworthy he was.

Remember the guy's site was down for like a few days purely because there was a power outage at his home and he was away.

Brilliant!

LESSON: Don't leave your coins on an untrustworthy site for long periods of time.

I had all of my lost coins there for less than 2 hours before the site went down for good.  When the site came back from its extended outage and after the SC Dev (if you want to call him a dev) announced he was shutting SC down, there were still a lot of buy orders so I started transferring all of my SC to mooncoin. Got the first batch there and sold them all for just over 10.5 BTC and had the other 400 sent to the mooncoin address that never showed up before the site went down for good. Was going to wait to pull my BTC out all at once. Never would have guessed he would have skipped town with everything.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: RandyFolds on September 19, 2011, 02:04:56 AM
Never would have guessed he would have skipped town with everything.

Hello, and welcome to Bitcoin!


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 19, 2011, 03:10:22 AM
Never would have guessed he would have skipped town with everything.

Hello, and welcome to Bitcoin! earth.

Fixed for u.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: RandyFolds on September 19, 2011, 03:36:53 AM
Never would have guessed he would have skipped town with everything.

Hello, and welcome to Bitcoin! earth.

Fixed for u.

ftw


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 19, 2011, 03:47:07 AM
Never would have guessed he would have skipped town with everything.

Hello, and welcome to Bitcoin! earth.

Fixed for u.

ftw

 :D


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: doublec on September 23, 2011, 04:23:16 PM
I've posted in another bitcointalk thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44244.msg541400#msg541400) some details on mr_moon based on his IP address, the wikipedia pages that were edited using that IP, and links between pages edited and another bitcoin IRC user who has the same IP address as mr_moon. mr_moon registered his irc nick 6 minutes after the other user last appeared on IRC.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 23, 2011, 04:28:26 PM
San Francisco cable... that IP may be dynamic.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: Spacy on September 23, 2011, 08:54:06 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44244.msg541806#msg541806

Sending 2x to mooncoin donation address... A coincidence?


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 23, 2011, 09:31:58 PM
San Francisco cable... that IP may be dynamic.

True there could be coincidence in that BUT given the same ip would be used for 2 BTC users and within close to the same time frame makes it less likely to be coincidence...

Oh, for that end, yes. Would be too much of coincidence. I mean if that ip resurface it could be with someone else.
Anyway, all it takes is someone with a friend at Comcast to "drop" who was wearing that IP at the given time.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: caston on September 24, 2011, 04:06:25 PM
Could be more than one person at the same house.


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: BCEmporium on September 24, 2011, 05:29:56 PM
Could be more than one person at the same house.

More than one person, yes, more than one house, no.  ;)


Title: Re: Mooncoin - Solidcoin/Namecoin to BTC Exchange
Post by: upisdown on September 27, 2011, 08:14:32 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44244.msg546891#msg546891