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Title: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:13:09 AM
 UTC 7:13 9.9.2011

-- [Critical] EDIT from now on, all updates dispensed from Geist website (http://www.geistgeld.org/getting-started.html) and from from Github (sources)--

--Always make sure your config is up to date - GG needs it!--

 
 
Hello everybody !


Ladies and gentlemen, it is that time again - cryptocurrency of the week time!

Has it been too long since the last one started ?

Is it too soon ?

Who knows. Without further ado, I hereby present you, the Geist Geld!

 https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld

Geist Geld is an experimental currency intended to test out the limits of block generation rate empirically, as well as (assuming it does not die due to overly rapid block generation rate) the behavior of a cryptocurrency with (almost) stable generation rate and no upper limit or alteration to supply.

Geist Geld intentionally seeks to trade some decentralization to gain more transaction speed, thus, pools are kindly invited to participate so that centralization would increase somewhat

Now, with your kind permission, some infrequently asked questions

Why not call it "Flaccid Coin" ?

Actually, name is the idea of the person who kept motivating me to go through with the project.
It is not a bad name - it neatly abbreviates to GG or GEG, it sounds sort of cool (all German words do) and most importantly, it does not follow the stale and confusing naming scheme of %random_word%coin (which, quite frankly, makes differentiating between alt-coins quite a chore)

Why did you decide to remove all alterations of production over time ?

It seemed like an interesting thing to try out.

If Bitcoin's approach can be metaphorically compared to mining an (ever decreasing) amount of gold, GeistGeld's approach can be metaphorically compared to "idealized" solar power, when output is stable (barring a few "flares" when a new big pool joins, of course :) )

The block rate is too fast !

That's not a question.
However, I see little reason for concern.

See, GG is specifically intended as an experiment for empirically assessing "cryptocurrency" behavior under such conditions. Worst that can happen is that GG fails to deliver, but that is hardly a guaranteed outcome.

Only he who risks is free.

Why are you using Multicoin ?

Multicoin is a project with much potential and wonderful features (Escrow's already there, and more stuff on its way), and using it will allow Geist Geld to be proving ground for new ideas while benefiting from functional richness multicoin has potential to offer. If/when custom features /GUIs etc. will be developed for GG, they will be incorporated into MC (assuming the maintainers agree as to their value) and vice versa.

Generally, it's a streamlined and efficient approach to rolling out a new cryptocurrency, and I hope more BTC forks will use it as a starting point.

Why are you leeching on the Bitcoin community ?

To the contrary, not only am I not leeching, I happen to think that, should GG survive it's launch, it can serve as guinea pig for various optimizations that can be later implemented in Bitcoin (assuming real programmers take interest, of course), thus benefiting community at large.

Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

Where is the site?

http://www.geistgeld.org/


Give me windows binaries!

Ok, here http://www.geistgeld.org/getting-started.html
has both a version with a makeshift GUI solution which  runs on windows out of the box and has been constructed from finest opensource portable console and a bunch of exquisite batch files (recommended for windows users) and a raw one, just file and config


Any services ?

Assuming it lives past day 4, there will be exchanges, pools, and a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

What will  happen if the network sustain a block per 15 seconds ?

Geist Geld will push the limit further and up the ante by increasing it to 1 block per 7 seconds (BTW, I expect to also have "message signing" (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/183) feature implemented in Geist Geld by that time :))

That would probably allow for interesting stuff to take place...

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Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 07:15:46 AM
so it's like a virtual virtual currency. You gotta imagine it.  :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:21:02 AM
so it's like a virtual virtual currency. You gotta imagine it.  :D

LOL, yeah, was fixing links.

UMPC = not very productive platform 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: sd on September 09, 2011, 07:26:27 AM
Lolcust, Is that all you have; Faster block generation?

Nothing innovative, nothing new, nothing interesting?

It looks like you spent more time on the name and your avatar picture than on this currency.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:34:43 AM
Lolcust, Is that all you have; Faster block generation?

Nothing innovative, nothing new, nothing interesting?

It looks like you spent more time on the name and your avatar picture than on this currency.


There's also fixed production, that might or might not have some interesting effects :)

Hey, it's not particularly innovative (I doubt you can sincerely use that word in regards to some other alt-currencies as well), but it offers the opportunity to push the limit on how far would block generation rate go, and assuming it doesn't die as result, the effects of fixed production rates.

It also has escrow (with sorta-bearable windows "interface") and will proudly piggyback on Multicoin-exp's upcoming features

Hey, it's an experiment in "how far we can push the block rate" first and foremost


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 07:43:21 AM
Trying to connect,

PROCCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOTFOUND.

Windows7 x64


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 07:43:25 AM
I'm running geistd.exe -server from the command line...

Was I supposed to copy the testnet folder and the config file to roaming?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:47:57 AM
Trying to connect,

PROCCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOTFOUND.

Windows7 x64

Do you use the "bundle" (It was built on W7 64 BTW ) or raw geistd + config ?

I'm running geistd.exe -server from the command line...

Was I supposed to copy the testnet folder and the config file to roaming?

Yep, standard multicoin procedure.

However it will also nicely behave if you only copy the config (or it should, at least)

You can use the portable bundle on win (link above), it will keep your wallet, config, and GG chain nicely confined in the folder it is run from


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 07:51:07 AM
Trying to connect,

PROCCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOTFOUND.

Windows7 x64

Do you use the "bundle" (It was built on W7 64 BTW ) or raw geistd + config ?

I used the bundle.

I'm still fuzzy on how to set it up.  I have it running, my miner pointed torwards localhost:7769

I may be screwing up entirely.

Edit: Switched the port to 8777, but not sure if thats the nmc.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:54:08 AM
Trying to connect,

PROCCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOTFOUND.

Windows7 x64

Do you use the "bundle" (It was built on W7 64 BTW ) or raw geistd + config ?

I used the bundle.

I'm still fuzzy on how to set it up.  I have it running, my miner pointed torwards localhost:7769

I may be screwing up entirely.



The miner should face RPC port 8777

Oh, and I've just got a kind message from my Russian Proxy's ISP that I best change the port since they love 7769 dearly for some reason


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 07:55:31 AM
Okay got it.  Thanks.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 08:05:24 AM
My poor 230 mh/s...

10 accepted 23 rejected.

Yay for low difficulty!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:05:44 AM
Okay, ISP issue resolved. Also, they notified me to odd multicoin behavior, if you get no connections, try adding

portsend=7769

to the config file


REPEAT

If trouble connecting, add "portsend=7769" to the config (w/o quotes)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 08:14:31 AM
Okay, ISP issue resolved. Also, they notified me to odd multicoin behavior, if you get no connections, try adding

portsend=7769

to the config file


REPEAT

If trouble connecting, add "portsend=7769" to the config (w/o quotes)

Where exactly am I to put the config file? in the testnet folder in roaming?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:21:08 AM
Okay, ISP issue resolved. Also, they notified me to odd multicoin behavior, if you get no connections, try adding

portsend=7769

to the config file


REPEAT

If trouble connecting, add "portsend=7769" to the config (w/o quotes)

Where exactly am I to put the config file? in the testnet folder in roaming?

Config file should go to roaming, not to testnet.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 08:21:37 AM
7 coins per block?...cool


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
A bunch of minor tweaks (thank you #multicoin ^__^ ), try out if your UNPNP is no workey or if you have open port (THANK YOU! :D ) but don't get connections

*no longer relevant, links deprecated, see first post*


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 08:28:05 AM
What is the current difficulty? I have 9.01475. Sound right?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:31:27 AM
What is the current difficulty? I have 9.01475. Sound right?

Diff is already 13 at this end... looks like the folks are bringing in GPU firepower lol


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 08:32:45 AM
Testing this with 1500 mhash/s
Using the portable client for windows. Is the testnet flags supposed to be 1?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:35:17 AM
Testing this with 1500 mhash/s
Using the portable client for windows. Is the testnet flags supposed to be 1?

Yeah, it's a Multicoin thing.

 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 08:37:17 AM
Seems like I lose connectivity periodcically. Happen to you?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 08:39:28 AM
Seems like I lose connectivity periodcically. Happen to you?

Me too, every 10-20m or so.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 08:41:57 AM
1 block every 15s?  I can't even put out 1 share in 15s...

Where is the alt-chain that's single-card friendly?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 08:43:13 AM
Seems like I lose connectivity periodcically. Happen to you?

Me too!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:46:00 AM
If you get connection timeouts, try adding addnode=[redacted due to my remote proxy/minebox provider  being uncomfortable with the traffic, the port, and everything else in life : (] the add  to your config (it's some weird glitch either in my rentbox's ISP or Multicoin... investigation ongoing)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:48:38 AM
My UMPC battery is dying, so if you have questions, folks at #multicoin are well informed (once again, using this opportunity, kudos to sacarlson, twobit and pigeons for helping me out on this one)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 09, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
You didn't even change the unix makefile. So there's no way to build this for linux. Well, I guess I can't mine this coin. I got no Windows machine.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:51:51 AM
You didn't even change the unix makefile. So there's no way to build this for linux. Well, I guess I can't mine this coin. I got no Windows machine.
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You didn't even change the unix makefile. So there's no way to build this for linux. Well, I guess I can't mine this coin. I got no Windows machine.
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Aw crap :'( Sorry, windowsbox addict here.

Well, expect a unix makefile commit in several hours (I need to find meself at least a socket).




Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
You didn't even change the unix makefile. So there's no way to build this for linux. Well, I guess I can't mine this coin. I got no Windows machine.


WAIT A MOMENT

I forked my git from Multicoin-exp's latest, and it has a unix makefile.


Given that my changes are   few very minor tweaks (and 90% of them defined by the .config, not hardcoded), the makefile in my git (lates Multicoin unix makefile) should work... did you try it ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 09:01:52 AM
Oh well, that was fast.

Can't get any work in before the block is found.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 09:02:55 AM
It doesn't make sense, there is still only one connection,

I smell something very fishy about this

There are about 1-2 listners right now :(

Also, do try the tweaks (previous page)

Given that so far no GeistGeld are sold and bought, what "fishy" could I probably pull off ? Imma not even mining them anymore :)

Git and win downloads updated with a better, listener friendlier config (add "portsend=7769" W/O quotes if you don't want to download anything)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
It doesn't make sense, there is still only one connection,

I smell something very fishy about this

There are about 1-2 listners right now :(

Also, do try the tweaks (previous page)

Given that so far no GeistGeld are sold and bought, what "fishy" could I probably pull off ? Imma not even mining them anymore :)

Git and win downloads updated with a better, listener friendlier config (add "portsend=7769" W/O quotes if you don't want to download anything)

Maybe I missed it but how does difficulty adjust exactly?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: server on September 09, 2011, 11:30:17 AM
Difficulty jumps up and down within 10 minutes, from 35 to 60 and right now it's 50. Why is this ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 09, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
How do you guys mine ?
I have GG_daemon started and guiminer - in solo with port 8777 . Hashes are Ok, but no luck for me... ?
I think there's something wrong, but what ? I appreciate any help.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How do you guys mine ?
I have GG_daemon started and guiminer - in solo with port 8777 . Hashes are Ok, but no luck for me... ?
I think there's something wrong, but what ? I appreciate any help.

Try with cgminer. I think its more efficient when doing fast blocks.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Flexystar on September 09, 2011, 12:26:03 PM
started demon on one pc - open port 8777. try to connect to this pc my mining rig - connection problem. WTF ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: digger on September 09, 2011, 12:28:08 PM
it seems after compiled in linux, it's bitcoin


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: server on September 09, 2011, 12:32:11 PM
started demon on one pc - open port 8777. try to connect to this pc my mining rig - connection problem. WTF ?

add in \Vital_Data\bitcoin.conf

rpcallowip=*


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 09, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
it seems after compiled in linux, it's bitcoin


Unzip Config+Blockchain/Geistgeld_Files.zip, copy the testnet directory somewhere, and move the bitcoin.conf file in there. Then run "bitcoind -datadir=DIR" to run it using the geist gild params.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Flexystar on September 09, 2011, 12:48:27 PM
started demon on one pc - open port 8777. try to connect to this pc my mining rig - connection problem. WTF ?

add in \Vital_Data\bitcoin.conf

rpcallowip=*

Thx man. Worked.

UPDATE:
10 mins worked :
0 shares. 0 rejects.

-____-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
started demon on one pc - open port 8777. try to connect to this pc my mining rig - connection problem. WTF ?

add in \Vital_Data\bitcoin.conf

rpcallowip=*


Whats your Mh/s?
Thx man. Worked.

UPDATE:
10 mins worked :
0 shares. 0 rejects.

-____-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Flexystar on September 09, 2011, 01:03:24 PM
started demon on one pc - open port 8777. try to connect to this pc my mining rig - connection problem. WTF ?

add in \Vital_Data\bitcoin.conf

rpcallowip=*


Whats your Mh/s?
Thx man. Worked.

UPDATE:
10 mins worked :
0 shares. 0 rejects.

-____-

I try only with one gpu to mine this = 318Mh/s


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 01:04:49 PM
what miner do you use?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Flexystar on September 09, 2011, 01:15:11 PM
what miner do you use?

Tryed phoenix and poclbm.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 01:21:26 PM
Damn, my "high performance proxy / mining server" got taken down for "suspicious activity" despite techsupport's claims that 7769 is okie after all.

I forgot to arrange for removal of wallet.dat with all the bounty geists :( ...Hope they will at least let me take my files over SSH 

what miner do you use?

Tryed phoenix and poclbm.

I dunno, a person with guiminer and 250 Mhashes has just made 7 geists, according to her. Maybe bad luck, maybe some miner tweak needed.

How many connections does mining rig have right now ?

Did you add "portsend=7769" W/O quotes to your config ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Flexystar on September 09, 2011, 01:27:12 PM
Damn, my "high performance proxy / mining server" got taken down for "suspicious activity" despite techsupport's claims that 7769 is okie after all.

I forgot to arrange for removal of wallet.dat with all the bounty geists :( ...Hope they will at least let me take my files over SSH 

what miner do you use?

Tryed phoenix and poclbm.

I dunno, a person with guiminer and 250 Mhashes has just made 7 geists, according to her. Maybe bad luck, maybe some miner tweak needed.

How many connections does mining rig have right now ?

Did you add "portsend=7769" W/O quotes to your config ?

I download version after ur fix. So yes this port in config set.
1 connection.
Miner tweak? This configs work normally on all alt currencys. ;( But this is first my solo mining.


UPDATE:
Trying 3 GPU to solo. ~956Mh/sec.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 01:39:18 PM
Damn, my "high performance proxy / mining server" got taken down for "suspicious activity" despite techsupport's claims that 7769 is okie after all.

I forgot to arrange for removal of wallet.dat with all the bounty geists :( ...Hope they will at least let me take my files over SSH 

what miner do you use?

Tryed phoenix and poclbm.

I dunno, a person with guiminer and 250 Mhashes has just made 7 geists, according to her. Maybe bad luck, maybe some miner tweak needed.

How many connections does mining rig have right now ?

Did you add "portsend=7769" W/O quotes to your config ?

I download version after ur fix. So yes this port in config set.
1 connection.
Miner tweak? This configs work normally on all alt currencys. ;( But this is first my solo mining.


UPDATE:
Trying 3 GPU to solo. ~956Mh/sec.

Try to port forward 7769 in your router?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 01:40:44 PM

I download version after ur fix. So yes this port in config set.
1 connection.
Miner tweak? This configs work normally on all alt currencys. ;( But this is first my solo mining.

Um, 1 connection is not normal.

Check router/firewall for port 7769 (The "fix" version of geistd.exe was compiled with UNPNP support, but who knows...)

If else fails, you can just go to #geistgeld00 at  irc.lfnet.org, pick out a few guys (preferably not ones connected through TOR) and add them with addnode=<guy's IP>:7769


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Xanderus on September 09, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
I'm afraid despite your intentions, if it ever survives, this currency will be called GGcoin  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 09, 2011, 02:28:29 PM

Thx man. Worked.

UPDATE:
10 mins worked :
0 shares. 0 rejects.

-____-

That's what I had too.  Eventually just shut it off.

It (global) network latency is ~3s, and these blocks are 15s, thats only ~12s that I have to do work.  On a single card, that just isn't cuttin it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
Its flooding blocks! WTF is going on?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 02:53:10 PM
difficulty 0.06 LOL


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 02:57:13 PM
i seen it go from 1 to 4 to 12.8...wtf


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
1 sec blocks. Pumping in geistgeld here :D

edit
And difficulty is back to 0.06 again


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
1 sec blocks. Pumping in geistgeld here :D

edit
And difficulty is back to 0.06 again

I'm curious to the difficulty adjustment algorithm here.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: server on September 09, 2011, 03:08:26 PM
I guess the sun is shining... ref. solar power.. ???


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
LOL yes , we made 1000 blocks in a few minutes!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: zerokwel on September 09, 2011, 03:10:22 PM
what block is it on ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 03:10:27 PM
Code:
       // Update nTime
        if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+2) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime() + 1800);
        else if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+1) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1;
        else
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime());
*walks away whistling*


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Code:
       // Update nTime
        if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+2) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime() + 1800);
        else if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+1) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1;
        else
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime());
*walks away whistling*

LOL did you drop your 50GH on this?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: server on September 09, 2011, 03:13:15 PM
Code:
       // Update nTime
        if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+2) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime() + 1800);
        else if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+1) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1;
        else
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime());
*walks away whistling*

You again... >:(


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 03:14:02 PM
3Gh, and I'm not orphaning other miners blocks on purpose.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 03:14:54 PM
Code:
       // Update nTime
        if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+2) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime() + 1800);
        else if ((pindexPrev->nHeight+1) % 16 == 0)
            pblock->nTime = pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1;
        else
            pblock->nTime = max(pindexPrev->GetMedianTimePast()+1, GetAdjustedTime());
*walks away whistling*

What does this mean?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:15:09 PM
3Gh, and I'm not orphaning other miners blocks on purpose.

Did you alter the code or something?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
Yes, my miners are producing blocks with "creatively adjusted" timestamps.
Using the rules I posted.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 03:17:35 PM
Um...  I'll see what I can do....


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 03:19:00 PM
Yes, it's supposed to.
But by adjusting the timstamp of the first and last block in each diff period you can make it retarget /4 *every single time* ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:21:22 PM
Yes, it's supposed to.
But by adjusting the timstamp of the first and last block in each diff period you can make it retarget /4 *every single time* ;)
:D lol


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 03:30:15 PM
ddoscoin


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:30:39 PM
ddoscoin

+1 haha


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
Wow, I stop it for a bit and diff shoots back up to > 120 like instantly...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:49:23 PM
Wow, I stop it for a bit and diff shoots back up to > 120 like instantly...

Probably the stupidest diff alg ever. The longer you don't generate a block the harder it gets?lol

EDIT: No offense to the OP.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 03:49:46 PM
Yes, it's supposed to.
But by adjusting the timstamp of the first and last block in each diff period you can make it retarget /4 *every single time* ;)

Ah, now I understand, thank you.

Verily illustrative and creative, as usual.

ArtForz, first and foremost, I would like to officially invite you to offer your guidance and advice - I am merely a curious n00b, sacarlson is pretty busy, and this experiment could use input from someone like you (other input than cleverly crafted blocks, that is :) )

Now, as for this particular case, would you kindly answer the following questions:

1) Does this method affect only forks with time-based diff ?

2) Could you please suggest any fixes other than abandoning time-based diff retarget?

3) Would abandoning time-based retarget "fix" it ?

Wow, I stop it for a bit and diff shoots back up to > 120 like instantly...

Probably the stupidest diff alg ever. The longer you don't generate a block the harder it gets?lol

EDIT: No offense to the OP.

Actually, the opposite should be true, LOL :)



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
Yes, it's supposed to.
But by adjusting the timstamp of the first and last block in each diff period you can make it retarget /4 *every single time* ;)

Ah, now I understand, thank you.

Verily illustrative and creative, as usual.

ArtForz, first and foremost, I would like to officially invite you to offer your guidance and advice - I am merely a curious n00b, sacarlson is pretty busy, and this experiment could use input from someone like you (other input than cleverly crafted blocks, that is :) )

Now, as for this particular case, would you kindly answer the following questions:

1) Does this method affect only forks with time-based diff ?

2) Could you please suggest any fixes other than abandoning time-based diff retarget?

3) Would abandoning time-based retarget "fix" it ?

+1000 Good attitude!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 03:52:56 PM
Yes, it's supposed to.
But by adjusting the timstamp of the first and last block in each diff period you can make it retarget /4 *every single time* ;)

Ah, now I understand, thank you.

Verily illustrative and creative, as usual.

ArtForz, first and foremost, I would like to officially invite you to offer your guidance and advice - I am merely a curious n00b, sacarlson is pretty busy, and this experiment could use input from someone like you (other input than cleverly crafted blocks, that is :) )

Now, as for this particular case, would you kindly answer the following questions:

1) Does this method affect only forks with time-based diff ?

2) Could you please suggest any fixes other than abandoning time-based diff retarget?

3) Would abandoning time-based retarget "fix" it ?

Wow, I stop it for a bit and diff shoots back up to > 120 like instantly...

Probably the stupidest diff alg ever. The longer you don't generate a block the harder it gets?lol

EDIT: No offense to the OP.

Actually, the opposite should be true, LOL :)



LOL sure seems that way though. I commend you on your good attitude despite the oversight and artforz exploiting it.

Good learning experience I'd say for all.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
Well, I am currently discussing best way to go about it with sacarlson, and hope ArtForz will suggest something as well.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
should be possible to make bitcoins algo work for such short intervals.
Main thing, don't accept blocks that far into the future, current clients are accepting blocks up to 2h in the future. *bad* idea if your retarget interval is 4 minutes.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 04:11:01 PM
should be possible to make bitcoins algo work for such short intervals.
Main thing, don't accept blocks that far into the future, current clients are accepting blocks up to 2h in the future. *bad* idea if your retarget interval is 4 minutes.

Indeed. Thanks for input.

P.S.:
Sweet mighty Cthulhu, I need to get a   programmer to look after GeistGeld...

Any takers ? Pretty please :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: JohnDoe on September 09, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
Could you explain to us non-programmers what this is supposed to be doing?

Code:
int64 nSubsidy = (GetArgIntxx(50,"-Subsidy") * COIN);
    nSubsidy = nSubsidy + (GetArgIntxx(0,"-Subsidy_small"));
    if (mapArgs.count("-custom_inflation"))
    {
        printf("custom_inflation is set \n");
        if (nHeight > GetArgIntxx(INT_MAX,"-inflation_triger"))
        {
            printf("nHeight > inflation_triger detected \n");
            nSubsidy = GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_Subsidy") * COIN;
            nSubsidy = nSubsidy + (GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_Subsidy_small"));
            if (nHeight > GetArgIntxx(INT_MAX,"-inflation_trigerB"))
            {
                printf("nHeight > inflation_trigerB detected \n");
                nSubsidy = GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyB") * COIN;
                nSubsidy = nSubsidy + (GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyB_small"));
                if (nHeight > GetArgIntxx(INT_MAX,"-inflation_trigerC"))
                {
                    nSubsidy = (GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyC") * COIN) + GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyC_small");
                }
            }
        }
        printf("nSubsidy after custom = %lu \n",nSubsidy);
    }


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 04:18:51 PM
You going to release a new version or shall we restart?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 04:23:21 PM
You going to release a new version or shall we restart?

I believe a new version is in order... Though it might take some time...

Could you explain to us non-programmers what this is supposed to be doing?

Code:
int64 nSubsidy = (GetArgIntxx(50,"-Subsidy") * COIN);
    nSubsidy = nSubsidy + (GetArgIntxx(0,"-Subsidy_small"));
    if (mapArgs.count("-custom_inflation"))
    {
        printf("custom_inflation is set \n");
        if (nHeight > GetArgIntxx(INT_MAX,"-inflation_triger"))
        {
            printf("nHeight > inflation_triger detected \n");
            nSubsidy = GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_Subsidy") * COIN;
            nSubsidy = nSubsidy + (GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_Subsidy_small"));
            if (nHeight > GetArgIntxx(INT_MAX,"-inflation_trigerB"))
            {
                printf("nHeight > inflation_trigerB detected \n");
                nSubsidy = GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyB") * COIN;
                nSubsidy = nSubsidy + (GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyB_small"));
                if (nHeight > GetArgIntxx(INT_MAX,"-inflation_trigerC"))
                {
                    nSubsidy = (GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyC") * COIN) + GetArgIntxx(0,"-post_SubsidyC_small");
                }
            }
        }
        printf("nSubsidy after custom = %lu \n",nSubsidy);
    }

Given that I am no programmer and not the author of multicoin, I shall consult sacarlson...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2011, 04:24:26 PM
Well, I am currently discussing best way to go about it with sacarlson, and hope ArtForz will suggest something as well.

He will just ddos it for you.  :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
He is currently doing it :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
I tink my ISP is trying to contact me. hmmm


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 04:48:00 PM
I tink my ISP is trying to contact me. hmmm

ISP: Sir are you mining GGcoins? Or maybe PornCoins?

If so, sir we need you to stop because bitcoins are crashing!

lol


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Oef6I.png


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 06:07:15 PM
Trying something, hold on to your hats.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 06:08:03 PM
Trying something, hold on to your hats.

Hat came off and stopped mining for the time being. =)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 06:20:16 PM
Trying something, hold on to your hats.
Mining on full throttle this time?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 06:20:36 PM
Ok, done.
In case anyone is wondering what on earth that storm of blocks was, a slightly optimized bitcoind with 9Gh of miners @ diff 0.0625.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 06:25:33 PM
Trying something, hold on to your hats.
Mining on full throttle this time?
Nope, but before I was always mining @ effective diff 1 due to H==0 checks in my miners and poold.
Also gave me an opportunity to test some of my bitcoind/pool performance improvements on a "live" network.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
Ok, done.
In case anyone is wondering what on earth that storm of blocks was, a slightly optimized bitcoind with 9Gh of miners @ diff 0.0625.

How many blocks u get in that shot?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 06:29:56 PM
A bit over 3400, around 4 blocks/sec average (= around 13% effective hashrate). bitcoind still starts lagging like hell beyond 3 blocks/sec or so :-X


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 09, 2011, 06:31:07 PM
Trying something, hold on to your hats.
Mining on full throttle this time?
Nope, but before I was always mining @ effective diff 1 due to H==0 checks in my miners and poold.
Also gave me an opportunity to test some of my bitcoind/pool performance improvements on a "live" network.

It was so fast I couldnt read the log output on geistd.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 09, 2011, 06:36:35 PM
A bit over 3400, around 4 blocks/sec average (= around 13% effective hashrate). bitcoind still starts lagging like hell beyond 3 blocks/sec or so :-X

Cool. Least we got some benchmarking done.

Good test chain.

Doubt an exchange or pool will jump on this though.

No worries =)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 06:41:17 PM
Only way I see to fix the "someone produces blocks in the future to fuck with diff" problem is... to narrow the accept window a lot. When moving zombie-i0 to 90 sec/block and retarget every 3h I lowered the window to only allow blocks up to 5 minutes in the future (could've done 15 seconds as well, one benefit of the [somewhat half-assed] NTP support).

edit: 10 seconds or so *should* work for geist. guess miners will simply have to make sure they have a accurate clock on their boxes *g*
edit2: I have some finished-but-needs-more-testing NTP code around here somewhere that I indended for zombie-i0 v1.2, if anyone is interested...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 06:59:04 PM
edit: 10 seconds or so *should* work for geist. guess miners will simply have to make sure they have a accurate clock on their boxes *g*

Let's try 30 seconds ( Due to sacarlson's kind help I have code for tweaking that stuff via config almost done) and see how bad that fares.

edit2: I have some finished-but-needs-more-testing NTP code around here somewhere that I indended for zombie-i0 v1.2, if anyone is interested...

That's super cool, but integrating NTP  into GG is way over my limited ability

P.S.:

Meanwhile....

Guys, here's a question that crossed my mind - would changing the "adjustment step  limit" from "/4" to some other value benefit a fork with fast blocks, and if so, which approximate value should that be ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:17:55 PM
Okay guys, I've pushed the version that 1) opens up the whole accept window to .conf manipulation Multicoin-style 2) sets it to 30 secs to git

Could someone give it a quick look to see if I fucked up big time anywhere, and if not, I shall concoct win builds for this beast ASAP

P.S.:

Having update kick in at block x is somewhat above my humble abilities :(


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: JohnDoe on September 09, 2011, 07:18:06 PM
Meanwhile....

Guys, here's a question that crossed my mind - would changing the "adjustment step  limit" from "/4" to some other value benefit a fork with fast blocks, and if so, which approximate value should that be ?

I've always felt that there's no reason to have a limit when adjusting downwards. If the current hashing rate is less than the required to adjust exactly by /4 then you'll need 2 long retargets to get back to normal speed, but if it can adjust freely then only 1 is needed. Namecoin is currently on this predicament. (http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php) The next adjustment will be by /4 to 23,500 but the "instant" difficulty (average of the last 120 blocks) is 7,000 so after this very long adjustment cycle there will be yet another long cycle, if the current hash rate remains constant.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 09, 2011, 07:21:56 PM
from my sims, asymmetric diff adjustment of any kind is "bad". makes it possible for a cartel to put more blocks per timespan and still end up with the correct sum-of-difficulty (for SC-and-clones *1.1 /4 that nets you the ~x3.5 "attack")


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 09, 2011, 07:25:28 PM
Meanwhile....

Guys, here's a question that crossed my mind - would changing the "adjustment step  limit" from "/4" to some other value benefit a fork with fast blocks, and if so, which approximate value should that be ?

I've always felt that there's no reason to have a limit when adjusting downwards. If the current hashing rate is less than the required to adjust exactly by /4 then you'll need 2 long retargets to get back to normal speed, but if it can adjust freely then only 1 is needed. Namecoin is currently on this predicament. (http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php) The next adjustment will be by /4 to 23,500 but the "instant" difficulty (average of the last 120 blocks) is 7,000 so after this very long adjustment cycle there will be yet another long cycle, if the current hash rate remains constant.


I'm of opinion that this is primarily of concern to nets with large retarget periods (thousands of blocks, bitcoin has 2016 IIRC ) and relatively "slow" blocks.

Am I wrong ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 11, 2011, 09:18:58 AM
Any progress yet?  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 11, 2011, 01:28:51 PM
Any updates Lolcust?

Maybe he didn't notice the forum is back up again  ::)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 11, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
Any updates Lolcust?

Maybe he didn't notice the forum is back up again  ::)

Maybe he's starting a Cosby Coin Chain.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 11, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
Okay guys, good news are:

  • Altering acceptance window seems to proceed without trouble, so I've narrowed it to 10 secs. Should be somewhat sufficient to reduce vulnerability to the timestamp thingie
  • Twobits pointed me to NTP code in i0coin that was straightforward enough for me to introduce into GG without much issues. Geist thus now has NTP capability (ensuring proper time synch). Kudos twobits and kr105rlz
  • Introduced checkpoints, everything seems fine
  • Escrow fixed (works now)
  • Nonstandard transactions now allowed (done primarily to fix  Escrow behavior, but I'm sure that the talented and creative folks here will find many more tweaks possible now that the "floodgates" are "open"

Thus, Linux users update from Github (https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld) (don't forget to update the bitcoin.conf), Windows users stand by for binaries.

Bad news are:
  • Updating nTargetTimespan to a  higher value (as suggested by ArtForz to further reduce the capacity for diff manipulation) in a "graceful" manner ( that is, in a manner that does not ruin stuff ) seems to be beyond my *cough* limited programming *cough* prowess.
  • message signing (https://github.com/khalahan/bitcoin/commit/efffd281624b4bcf5672ffe98537c45a39ec2ae1) requires both more skills and some design decisions to implement "right" (I' for one, would rather prefer the more userfriendly approach with compact signatures (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6430.0%29?), as proposed by Pieter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6428.msg108668#msg108668))

Those things  will have to wait until I convince a decent programmer or several to contribute...

Also (in the future), some interesting tweaking regarding Bitcoin's  behavior of ignoring a block per retarget period in order to further increase resistance to time-based manipulations, assuming programming skills are made available


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 11, 2011, 02:37:42 PM
New windows binary, with "crutches" (Crutches also updated with new escrow syntax, also, a naugty bug in a batch file which prevented from passing multi-parameter queries in the "control" tab is now fixed)

http://www.mediafire.com/?lk7q928f2lrduag

"Raw" .exe with most recent "raw" config

http://www.mediafire.com/?bsuhpshz12p56iz


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 11, 2011, 02:56:06 PM
10sec in the future should be plenty narrow enough. The simple version of my attack for a 240s retarget period needs at least a 960 sec "in the future" window for maximum effectiveness.
Have to check the ntp code you used, if it's my 'fixed' version of kr105s original code it's not very nice to pool.ntp.org (queries the same NTP server every 5 min).
I swear I have a way better one around here somewhere (runs NTP in seperate thread, takes round trip time into account, only queries ntp once per hour after initial sync, compares local, ntp and median of peer times and warns user if theres a large difference).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 11, 2011, 02:56:50 PM
New windows binary, with "crutches" (Crutches also updated with new escrow syntax, also, a naugty bug in a batch file which prevented from passing multi-parameter queries in the "control" tab is now fixed)

http://www.mediafire.com/?lk7q928f2lrduag


Now testing :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 11, 2011, 03:05:01 PM
I swear I have a way better one around here somewhere (runs NTP in seperate thread, takes round trip time into account, only queries ntp once per hour after initial sync, compares local, ntp and median of peer times and warns user if theres a large difference).
I don't understand one thing: why would one incorporate NTP into *coind? In any other software that I know NTP is handled by split ntpd-daemon & in-kernel-timeadj in a closed feedback loop. The net effect is that gettimeofday() (or an equivalent) returns very accurate time (fraction of millisecond when stratum > 0). Any other software can just use gettimeofday() and rely on it being very accurate and monotonic.

What so special about *coind that it would require a built-in implementation of NTP?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 11, 2011, 03:23:27 PM
1. we need a clock accurate to at least "block in future window"/2, better doesn't hurt. Bitcoin just uses the median of peer times as thanks to the large diff period and block-in-future window it can tolerate up to an hour or so of offset.
2. It's not a full NTP impl, just stupid SNTP w/ RTT correction (usually +-1ms on a box with properly working ntp)(and i0s original code doesn't even do RTT correction...).
3. Got a cross-platform way to determine if the system we're running on has a running and working ntpd? Does windows even have real NTP support? iirc even W7 only has a SNTP daemon to periodically sync ala ntpdate-from-cronjob.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 11, 2011, 03:38:45 PM
10sec in the future should be plenty narrow enough. The simple version of my attack for a 240s retarget period needs at least a 960 sec "in the future" window for maximum effectiveness.
Have to check the ntp code you used, if it's my 'fixed' version of kr105s original code it's not very nice to pool.ntp.org (queries the same NTP server every 5 min).
I swear I have a way better one around here somewhere (runs NTP in seperate thread, takes round trip time into account, only queries ntp once per hour after initial sync, compares local, ntp and median of peer times and warns user if theres a large difference).

Well, yes, I suspect that it's that very code (I didn't know the fix was yours, and just credited the guy who committed. If you want, I can update the credits in the code comments).

I'm  sure your code is good, but I reasonably doubt that I will be able to implement it by myself (my skills are only a notch above copy/paste as far as programming goes, I'm a design/arts dude by trade)

ArtForz , perhaps you could become a GG contributor :) ? What's your nick on Github ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 11, 2011, 04:39:30 PM
Once again can you explain how diff. adjusts?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 11, 2011, 04:46:19 PM
Once again can you explain how diff. adjusts?

Diff adjusts as with bitcoin, but re-targeting  happens every 16 blocks.

It has been brought to my attention by ArtForz that it is too little and so an increase in this value is to be expected in the future


By the way, this brings me to several  things regarding which  I would like to receive opinions and constructive arguments:

  • What would be optimal retarget period for a chain with 15 second blocks (in the future might be even 7 second  blocks :) ) and why ?
  • would changing the "adjustment step  limit" from "/4" to some other value benefit a fork with fast blocks, and if so, which approximate value should that be ?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 11, 2011, 04:50:54 PM
Once again can you explain how diff. adjusts?

Diff adjusts as with bitcoin, but re-targeting  happens every 16 blocks.

It has been brought to my attention by ArtForz that it is too little and so an increase in this value is to be expected in the future


By the way, this brings me to several  things that I would like to receive opinions and constructive arguments:

  • What would be optimal retarget period for a chain with 15 second blocks (in the future might be even 7 second  blocks :) ) and why ?
  • would changing the "adjustment step  limit" from "/4" to some other value benefit a fork with fast blocks, and if so, which approximate value should that be ?



So as with bitcoin 2016 blocks turns out to be 14 days. What is the period for this? 15 seconds multiplied by 16?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 11, 2011, 04:57:45 PM
So as with bitcoin 2016 blocks turns out to be 14 days. What is the period for this? 15 seconds multiplied by 16?

240 seconds.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 11, 2011, 09:21:34 PM
2. It's not a full NTP impl, just stupid SNTP w/ RTT correction (usually +-1ms on a box with properly working ntp)(and i0s original code doesn't even do RTT correction...).
3. Got a cross-platform way to determine if the system we're running on has a running and working ntpd? Does windows even have real NTP support? iirc even W7 only has a SNTP daemon to periodically sync ala ntpdate-from-cronjob.
In Re:2. I believe you are at least order of magnitude optimistic with +/-1ms standard deviation. To be safe I would assume 100ms standatd deviation with just properly working ntpd (and not openntpd). So two orders of magnitude, if you take your time over the net. It is easy to get much better time over the air thanks to Uncle Sam's (or Uncle Bill Clinton's) GPS with no SA (Selective Availability) and cheap GPS mousey receivers.
In Re:3. I normally do the equivalent of "ntpq -c readvar" and "ntpdc -c loopinfo" agains localhost. I check the status bits in ntpq's output and the offset in ntpdc's output. It has been serving me well over the years.
Code:
$ ntpdc -c loopinfo
offset:               -0.000442 s
frequency:            -6.781 ppm
poll adjust:          30
watchdog timer:       28 s
$ ntpq -c readvar
status=06f4 leap_none, sync_ntp, 15 events, event_peer/strat_chg,
version="ntpd 4.1.1c-rc1@1.836 Thu Feb 13 12:17:19 EST 2003 (1)",
processor="i686", system="Linux2.4.20-6", leap=00, stratum=3,
precision=-15, rootdelay=14.035, rootdispersion=22.854, peer=43382,
refid=ntp.example.com
reftime=d217a3e7.a71fcd24  Sun, Sep 11 2011 14:17:27.652, poll=6,
clock=d217a40b.dd65b20b  Sun, Sep 11 2011 14:18:03.864, state=4,
offset=-0.442, frequency=-6.781, jitter=0.756, stability=0.015
In Re: Windows. MSFT has a decent NTP implementation if nobody is tampering with it, expecially in case of domain membership. But there are so many programs that tamper with the timekeeping on Windows that it is almost impossible to trust it by default.  Additionally, MSFT made some "embrace and extend" extension to NTP, they are documented on the site for European Windows developers.
In Re: pool.ntp.org. Due to rampant abuse, the members of pool.ntp.org deploy various countermeasures. One very popular is to deliver time that is obviously off by months or years. You really have to be carefull with polling pool.ntp.org more often than the default 1024 seconds.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 11, 2011, 09:31:13 PM
How big is the chance "GeistGeld" is going to an exchange? :)

I like the idea of fast blocks and quick confirmations.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 11, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 11, 2011, 09:44:48 PM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)

I did a test run with 2950Mhahs/s and I had 5 accepted / 80 rejected on average, even with CGMiner ;D
But with low difficulty, it's normal I think.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 11, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)

I did a test run with 2950Mhahs/s and I had 5 accepted / 80 rejected on average, even with CGMiner ;D
But with low difficulty, it's normal I think.

Someone just create 20,000 blocks in less than an hour. The first 20,000 took over 48 hours.

Difficulty is 0.06. Exploit has not been fixed.

At this rate the chain may as well restart because if an exchange opens 1 person will have 95% of the coins which makes no sense.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 11, 2011, 09:55:18 PM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)

I did a test run with 2950Mhahs/s and I had 5 accepted / 80 rejected on average, even with CGMiner ;D
But with low difficulty, it's normal I think.

If my card can only do (on average) 1 share every 20s, and the blocks are 15s, I don't see how higher difficulty blocks would matter, since the block time is still less than my average work time.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on September 11, 2011, 10:27:02 PM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)

I did a test run with 2950Mhahs/s and I had 5 accepted / 80 rejected on average, even with CGMiner ;D
But with low difficulty, it's normal I think.

Someone just create 20,000 blocks in less than an hour. The first 20,000 took over 48 hours.

Difficulty is 0.06. Exploit has not been fixed.

At this rate the chain may as well restart because if an exchange opens 1 person will have 95% of the coins which makes no sense.


That would be me !
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL you just made this chain pointless. Restart?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: the joint on September 11, 2011, 10:41:13 PM
Would someone please care to share with me what the hell I'm supposed to do? :)

So, I downloaded the windows bundle.  Opened the "read me immediately" file and changed name and password in the bitcoin.conf file.

Right now, my geistgeld daemon is going bananas.  I assume it's downloading the block chain?  Been giving me thousands of lines of text for several minutes now, so I assumed that's what it was doing.

So, how exactly do I start mining with GUIminer?  What should I put in the 'host' text box, and for 'port' ?  I also don't exactly get where my coins would show up.

Sorry for my ignorance, but I've only been running GUIminer with Bitcoin  (and a little bit of SolidCoin) since June and never tried the other miners.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: gw4tt on September 12, 2011, 12:11:34 AM
you have to change the source, compile, then start mining.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kjlimo on September 12, 2011, 01:47:44 AM
Anyone setting up a mining pool for this yet?  I haven't mined solo yet, but like alternate cryptocurrencies.  I own some of them all and was really promoting Solidcoin until... well you know...

I'm intrigued with all of the new features your starting with Giest Geld.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 07:42:19 AM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)

I did a test run with 2950Mhahs/s and I had 5 accepted / 80 rejected on average, even with CGMiner ;D
But with low difficulty, it's normal I think.

Someone just create 20,000 blocks in less than an hour. The first 20,000 took over 48 hours.

Difficulty is 0.06. Exploit has not been fixed.

At this rate the chain may as well restart because if an exchange opens 1 person will have 95% of the coins which makes no sense.


That would be me !
  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey dude, are you using creative timestampting or some thing like that ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 08:26:53 AM
I have a... lingering suspicion that we have a case of "51 attack" here.

BitcoinEXpress is that so :) ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 08:47:24 AM
I dunno.  With the average block shorter than 225mh/s can get any work in, it's going to exclude a lot of smaller machines.

I have another card on the way, even then i think I'll stll be at 50/50 reject.


(unless my experience was just a bug)

I did a test run with 2950Mhahs/s and I had 5 accepted / 80 rejected on average, even with CGMiner ;D
But with low difficulty, it's normal I think.

Someone just create 20,000 blocks in less than an hour. The first 20,000 took over 48 hours.

Difficulty is 0.06. Exploit has not been fixed.

At this rate the chain may as well restart because if an exchange opens 1 person will have 95% of the coins which makes no sense.

Given that the upper limit on maximum number of Geists is above hundred billions, and that I  pre-mined meself quite a bunch (primarily due to my desire to start a laundry with "squeaky clean coins" should GG persevere) I am reluctant to do a restart.

Investigation is in progress, I am standing by for feedback as to possible causes from upstanding members :) (I am reasonably certain that the limit on accept window is 10 in the latest release, but if someone has 51% of the net he can set whatever accept he wishes - and whatever anything else for that matter)

I would be very grateful if BitcoinEXpress commented on current state of affairs in a constructive manner.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: phelix on September 12, 2011, 09:07:22 AM
could someone sum up the features of this fork?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 09:13:53 AM
could someone sum up the features of this fork?



1) Dangerously ;) fast blocks

2) Escrow implemented

3) nonstandard tx enabled

4) Upcoming (hopefully soon) message signing

5) general intent to be experimental and feature-rich [I really hope some coderfolk would hop in so more awesome tweaks and tricks can be rolled out. I especially want some more robust anti-time-trickery tweaks towards which I have been pointed and the "hidden transfer" script implementation)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: jtimon on September 12, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
the "hidden transfer" script implementation

Where can I read about this?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 05:45:49 PM
the "hidden transfer" script implementation

Where can I read about this?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script

"Hidden recipient address

With this script by Gavin, the address of the recipient is encrypted until after the output is claimed. "randomNumber" must be known by both the sender and the recipient. "

Cool or wicked cool ?

I'd just love to get this stuff into Geist for it to be there... the street will, I believe, find a use for this thing...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Gavin Andresen on September 12, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
RE: hidden recipient address:

I dug deeper into the Script OPs when working on the multisig proposal, and OP_ADD can't add bignums, so the 'hidden recipient' script won't work.

A simpler version would, though; I'll update the wiki.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 07:42:29 PM
Awww, that's sad.

I wonder what the simpler version can do, though...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 12, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
Please dont reset! I have so many coins mined now lol
I have been mining like crazy the whole weekend.
I suggest bitcoinexpress do the right thing and donate the 20000 blocks to bounties?  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 12, 2011, 07:45:15 PM
Please dont reset! I have so many coins mined now lol
I have been mining like crazy the whole weekend.
I suggest bitcoinexpress do the right thing and donate the 20000 blocks to bounties?  ;D

I mined 15,000 but I think a restart would be better for the chain...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 07:48:44 PM
Please dont reset! I have so many coins mined now lol
I have been mining like crazy the whole weekend.
I suggest bitcoinexpress do the right thing and donate the 20000 blocks to bounties?  ;D

Guys, guys, I made a different thread to handle the reset discussion for a reason, and that reason is that I would rather keep this thread for suggestions (and discussion) of future geist parameters / technical discussion / improvement suggestions/ general support and stuff like that.

If you have something to say about why the idea of a reset rocks (or suxx) please do so here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43689.0). Pretty please ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 12, 2011, 08:07:01 PM
sorry Lolcust! Didnt see the new thread!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: makomk on September 12, 2011, 11:15:18 PM
3. Got a cross-platform way to determine if the system we're running on has a running and working ntpd? Does windows even have real NTP support? iirc even W7 only has a SNTP daemon to periodically sync ala ntpdate-from-cronjob.
On Linux and other systems that use the standard ISC ntpd (which ought to include Mac OS X too), you should be able to send a query packet to the local ntpd in the same way that the ntpq command does. I believe the format of this packet is even documented somewhere.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ByteCoin on September 12, 2011, 11:20:33 PM
RE: hidden recipient address:
... I'll update the wiki [with a simpler version of "hidden recipient address"]

I believe that your simpler version of "hidden recipient address" can be redeemed by anyone (most probably a miner) by rewriting the transaction which includes the revealed secret in order to credit themselves.
In short - it's insecure.

Where in the code does it prevent the addition of bignums with OP_ADD?

ByteCoin


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 12, 2011, 11:22:52 PM
Where in the code does it prevent the addition of bignums with OP_ADD?

ByteCoin

Now that's the spirit :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Gavin Andresen on September 12, 2011, 11:31:11 PM
RE: where in the code:  script.cpp

Code:
static const size_t nMaxNumSize = 4;


CBigNum CastToBigNum(const valtype& vch)
{
    if (vch.size() > nMaxNumSize)
        throw runtime_error("CastToBigNum() : overflow");
    // Get rid of extra leading zeros                                                                                                                
    return CBigNum(CBigNum(vch).getvch());
}

... and all of the arithmetic binary ops do a CastToBigNum()

nMaxNumSize = 4 means numbers added must be 32-bits or less.

RE: simpler version being redeemed by anybody by rewriting:  D'oh!  Right, definitely need a signature so the transaction can't be modified between being broadcast and being included in a block.  I'll remove it from the wiki page.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 12:38:49 PM
Geist reset, with all updates, new awesome NTP by ArtForz and a milder diff adjust

With "crutches" pseudo-gui    http://www.mediafire.com/?nu5mccf9cmr9ml5

Raw files http://www.mediafire.com/?yeyf1vgvj0plne9


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 12:57:12 PM
Is there a pool yet?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 01:26:42 PM
Is there a pool yet?
Hopefully :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 01:33:01 PM
BTW, I am giving away the Geists I mined today (except for the bounty/laundry "fund" of course :)) which is 1407 Geists.

Hurry to be the first to apply,   ^__^



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
I want some geistgeld!
Can you reserve some for me untill i get home to find my address please?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
Geist reset, with all updates, new awesome NTP by ArtForz and a milder diff adjust

With "crutches" pseudo-gui    http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie

Raw files http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

Getting an IRC recv failed:10060 error, doesn't work.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lumpy on September 13, 2011, 02:06:48 PM
BTW, I am giving away the Geists I mined today (except for the bounty/laundry "fund" of course :)) which is 1407 Geists.

Hurry to be the first to apply,   ^__^

Something must be awry... I have been successfully mining on my bitcoind and it says we are at 205 blocks. You'd have mined 201 blocks for those 1407 Geists... but I know that is not possible because of my own balance. When I started (about an hour ago) it was on block ~25. Am I on the wrong blockchain or what? Using the Linux compiled from GitHub and the bitcoin.conf in your recent "reboot" post.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 02:15:05 PM
Geist reset, with all updates, new awesome NTP by ArtForz and a milder diff adjust

With "crutches" pseudo-gui    http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie

Raw files http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

Getting an IRC recv failed:10060 error, doesn't work.

BTW, I am giving away the Geists I mined today (except for the bounty/laundry "fund" of course :)) which is 1407 Geists.

Hurry to be the first to apply,   ^__^

Something must be awry... I have been successfully mining on my bitcoind and it says we are at 205 blocks. You'd have mined 201 blocks for those 1407 Geists... but I know that is not possible because of my own balance. When I started (about an hour ago) it was on block ~25. Am I on the wrong blockchain or what? Using the Linux compiled from GitHub and the bitcoin.conf in your recent "reboot" post.

Strange, you might be on some chain fork or something (I did, however, change the magic numbers so old geists wouldn't talk with new ones so dunno where could that fork come from  ???)

200 something blocks were pre-mined (No 200 is a checkpoint), from the top of my head 201 (hence 1407 Geists) but if I actually pre-mined 205 (they could have been caught while I was reaching for the guiminer icon, lol) then I'll add 28 to the "forum fund" lol :)

Try using the chunk of chain found in the "blockchain+conf" folder in git if oddity persists.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 02:20:29 PM
I want some geistgeld!
Can you reserve some for me untill i get home to find my address please?

Lol, sure thing, I'll set aside about half for you and half for whomever else claims and posts adress oke ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: foggyb on September 13, 2011, 02:26:47 PM
I'll take some too! Will post my address in two minutes.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lupus_Yonderboy on September 13, 2011, 02:37:06 PM
Are you able to prevent the previous exploits? Is there anything to keep someone from overpowering the network again? I understand why you rebooted the chain, but if it is just going to keep happening then what is the point?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 02:57:30 PM
 
Are you able to prevent the previous exploits? Is there anything to keep someone from overpowering the network again? I understand why you rebooted the chain, but if it is just going to keep happening then what is the point?

The answer to this question is yes. A "51%" attacker is still capable of doing what a 51-er is supposed to be capable of doing (double-spends, and, if huge enough, rewrites), but should not be able to arbitrarily manipulate difficulty to his advantage without invalidating blocks.

Also, new adjustment limits make diff adjustment smoother, without random "spikes" that occasionally unnerved people in previous version, though the cost is somewhat less rapid response to large alterations in difficulty (don't worry, not as bad as namecoin :) a couple of minutes as opposed to tens of seconds)

I'll take some too! Will post my address in two minutes.

Oky, standing by for addresses


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 03:18:14 PM
gGcsLz9kCpdSeePF4crRwj6TbDq2QeQEE5


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 03:19:10 PM
I want some geistgeld!
Can you reserve some for me untill i get home to find my address please?

Lol, sure thing, I'll set aside about half for you and half for whomever else claims and posts adress oke ?

Thats ok! Setting up new client now.

Edit;
And here's my GG address: gRsK7aUr39HuqCDPfRtHA5dbJtkx9wucTy


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 03:33:35 PM
Trying solo, i get a couple of accepts then straight to all rejects? anyone else?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 03:36:49 PM
Trying solo, i get a couple of accepts then straight to all rejects? anyone else?

If you just started its possble the first accepted ones were done before you had the whole block chain downloaded and thats why they were quicker because the difficulty was lower.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Geist reset, with all updates, new awesome NTP by ArtForz and a milder diff adjust

With "crutches" pseudo-gui    http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie

Raw files http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

Getting an IRC recv failed:10060 error, doesn't work.

Still getting this error.

Downloaded the GeistGeld_new, changed user/pass for miner and can't connect to IRC channel (it seems?).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 03:43:21 PM
Trying solo, i get a couple of accepts then straight to all rejects? anyone else?

What hash rate ? What hard and what soft ? What block number does "getinfo" display ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 03:45:56 PM
The old one worked without problems but this is the exact error message with the new client:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/error.jpg

I deleted al the old stuff, just unzipped it and nothing else.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
Lolcust,

Though I hate your blockchain because it moves too fast for my hardware, I gotta say I'm impressed.  You set up a live chain to be tested on, tests have gone on, it's proving itself right away.

I'm so surprised this wasn't done earlier.

Good job.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 03:58:39 PM
 

Geist reset, with all updates, new awesome NTP by ArtForz and a milder diff adjust

With "crutches" pseudo-gui    http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie

Raw files http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

Getting an IRC recv failed:10060 error, doesn't work.

Still getting this error.

Downloaded the GeistGeld_new, changed user/pass for miner and can't connect to IRC channel (it seems?).

Try turning on DNS in the config.

Meanwhile, you can do addnode=<IP>:7769 with the following IPs if else fails:
173.238.168.52
205.185.188.37
90.176.64.166

I'm testing it once again "out of the box" on a vm through TOR right now

EDIT:
basically, the IRC server ain't not talking to you it seems.

That's odd.

Try turning on DNS and add a bunch of IPs above (with port, just to be sure)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: foggyb on September 13, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
gDYas4z3eoxvDKYMtZMWFVQcUYDGZzNZwm


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 04:12:04 PM
MaGNeT, I've just connected through TOR from a VM, "out-of-the-zip" except for proxy. It worked. I think the local IRC server of lfnet that you get directed to is not behaving well.

Try going through addnode route and enable DNS.

Also, try disabling UNPNP (noupnp=1 in the config) as it tends to upset some routers (I know all "coins" with UNPNP fucked with a Dlink router I had to use yesterday big time)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 04:12:42 PM


Geist reset, with all updates, new awesome NTP by ArtForz and a milder diff adjust

With "crutches" pseudo-gui    http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie

Raw files http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

Getting an IRC recv failed:10060 error, doesn't work.

Still getting this error.

Downloaded the GeistGeld_new, changed user/pass for miner and can't connect to IRC channel (it seems?).

Try turning on DNS in the config.

Meanwhile, you can do addnode=<IP>:7769 with the following IPs if else fails:
173.238.168.52
205.185.188.37
90.176.64.166

I'm testing it once again "out of the box" on a vm through TOR right now

EDIT:
basically, the IRC server ain't not talking to you it seems.

That's odd.

Try turning on DNS and add a bunch of IPs above (with port, just to be sure)


Adding the nodes seemed to fix it, now downloading the blocks  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lupus_Yonderboy on September 13, 2011, 04:19:30 PM
gGFR4biTGgiXw1Nvuv4GVYkwUiaguz2t6w

;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 04:38:17 PM
Trying solo, i get a couple of accepts then straight to all rejects? anyone else?

What hash rate ? What hard and what soft ? What block number does "getinfo" display ?

cgiminer
blocks 1013

800 Mhash
2x 5850


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 04:39:44 PM
Lolcust did you send me those GGs we talked about?  :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 04:43:52 PM

[2011-09-13 12:41:13] Accepted c7cccf3e GPU 1 thread 1 pool 1

[2011-09-13 12:41:27] Accepted 2ccc07cd GPU 0 thread 2 pool 1

[2011-09-13 12:41:28] Accepted f1ca9570 GPU 1 thread 3 pool 1

[2011-09-13 12:41:43] Accepted 4340ee5c GPU 1 thread 3 pool 1

[2011-09-13 12:41:45] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:41:48] Rejected 98fd9f23 GPU 1 thread 1 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:41:53] Rejected 2c6f2f5e GPU 0 thread 0 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:41:57] Rejected d8616d87 GPU 0 thread 0 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:41:57] Rejected 971e1b8e GPU 0 thread 2 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:04] Rejected d0bfcdd6 GPU 1 thread 3 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:09] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:42:23] Rejected 06e1a2a8 GPU 0 thread 2 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:23] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:42:29] Rejected 9bd21d3c GPU 0 thread 0 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:29] Rejected 022e023d GPU 1 thread 1 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:38] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:42:48] Rejected 1930b470 GPU 0 thread 2 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:53] Rejected f2e87aa2 GPU 1 thread 1 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:42:53] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:42:59] Accepted 7aa99925 GPU 0 thread 0 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:43:04] Rejected 39cd507a GPU 0 thread 2 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:43:08] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:43:13] Rejected 922aec36 GPU 1 thread 1 pool 0

[2011-09-13 12:43:23] New block detected on network before longpoll
fresh work
[2011-09-13 12:43:25] Rejected a00e7519 GPU 0 thread 2 pool 0


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 04:55:15 PM
Okay, I am starting to send out them pre-mined coins divided by applicants, no need to give further addresses lol :)

@heinz
Hm, you probably should have more accepted, how many coins you get per minute, approximately ?

Also...before my remote mining rig got taken down during first launch, I was getting very "questionable" results on cgminer solo. Much better at poclbm (GUIminer included in bundle specifically)

heinz, try poclbm.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 05:16:23 PM
cgiminer no go
pheonix no go
poclbm is good.

Odd?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: joulesbeef on September 13, 2011, 05:27:41 PM
Lolcust,

Though I hate your blockchain because it moves too fast for my hardware, I gotta say I'm impressed.  You set up a live chain to be tested on, tests have gone on, it's proving itself right away.

I'm so surprised this wasn't done earlier.

Good job.

they do IT IS CALLED TESTNETS. and it is done this way to not damage the coin itself. I'm not sure I want anything to do with a coin that is so accepting to the childish hackers(NOTE I DID NOT CALL THEM SECURITY PROFESSIONALS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT) and actually not only seeks their help but praises them, giving them more confidence and reasons to attack the major networks here that have shit to do with geist gelds.

I have no faith in this, and you think doubleC will put up a exchange after bitcoin express is going arround saying he is going to bring down namecoin?

You reap what you sow and right now yall are sowing shit.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 05:38:41 PM
gDYas4z3eoxvDKYMtZMWFVQcUYDGZzNZwm

Either my copypaste skills have deteriorated due to all the copypasting of code, or your address isn't right (CosicMiner's address got accepted oky so it is unlikely to be a Geist issue)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 05:40:14 PM
gDYas4z3eoxvDKYMtZMWFVQcUYDGZzNZwm

Either my copypaste skills have deteriorated due to all the copypasting of code, or your address isn't right (CosicMiner's address got accepted oky so it is unlikely to be a Geist issue)

I guess that's more likely :P


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 05:41:26 PM
heinz's addy got copypasted oky.

Hm.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 05:55:30 PM
Lolcust,

Though I hate your blockchain because it moves too fast for my hardware, I gotta say I'm impressed.  You set up a live chain to be tested on, tests have gone on, it's proving itself right away.

I'm so surprised this wasn't done earlier.

Good job.

they do IT IS CALLED TESTNETS. and it is done this way to not damage the coin itself. I'm not sure I want anything to do with a coin that is so accepting to the childish hackers(NOTE I DID NOT CALL THEM SECURITY PROFESSIONALS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT) and actually not only seeks their help but praises them, giving them more confidence and reasons to attack the major networks here that have shit to do with geist gelds.

I have no faith in this, and you think doubleC will put up a exchange after bitcoin express is going arround saying he is going to bring down namecoin?

You reap what you sow and right now yall are sowing shit.

Dude, chillax.

Guy helps me fix/improve Geist - I say "thank you" and put credits in the code comment.

It's that simple.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 13, 2011, 06:06:49 PM
I'm out, sorry but no blocks appear on the balance someone is betting on a majority of hashing power while refusing others to connect it seems. Or whatever it is, good luck with it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 06:08:27 PM
working fine here now


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 06:09:14 PM
Err, what? we're at block 1373 and difficulty 66.46.
Make sure you have the new build and enablefullretargetperiod=1 in your GG bitcoin.conf


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 06:09:24 PM
I'm out, sorry but no blocks appear on the balance someone is betting on a majority of hashing power while refusing others to connect it seems. Or whatever it is, good luck with it.

I got 500 on my balance in 90 minutes, I guess it's working like it should.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: wallet.dat on September 13, 2011, 06:12:32 PM
Ok I think I have everything running now.  I'm getting a lot of stales, but I'm not sure if it's the chain itself or my GPU which has been acting strange lately.  So has GG patched the possible 51% exploit along with the timewarp exploits that Art talked about?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 06:14:24 PM
It fixed the timewarp exploit. So now a 51% attacker can do what a 51% attacker is supposed to be able to do. But no longer "create 10000 blocks in 5 minutes"


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
Ok I think I have everything running now.  I'm getting a lot of stales, but I'm not sure if it's the chain itself or my GPU which has been acting strange lately.  So has GG patched the possible 51% exploit along with the timewarp exploits that Art talked about?

High stales are normal at low difficulty.
I think it has something to do with the time between finding new blocks, also.
If you submit a share (or is it a nonce?) for a block that already was found by someone else, yours is too late and probably becomes a stale.

I had a lot of stales when mining i0coin and solidcoin with high networkpower and low difficulty too.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: wallet.dat on September 13, 2011, 06:16:54 PM
It fixed the timewarp exploit. So now a 51% attacker can do what a 51% attacker is supposed to be able to do. But no longer "create 10000 blocks in 5 minutes"

Ah, excellent.  Good work, Lolcust!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
To get a "acceptable" stale rate at 15s/block you pretty much need a local poold w/ longpolling + cgminer. (at 15 s/block and with poclbm+friends 5s askrate and no LP, you're looking at something like 20% stales)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ElectricMucus on September 13, 2011, 06:21:45 PM
well my blocks disappear after 10 conformations without showing up on the balance.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 06:24:43 PM
Weird, not seeing this here, so far had roughly 3% orphans.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: wallet.dat on September 13, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
To get a "acceptable" stale rate at 15s/block you pretty much need a local poold w/ longpolling + cgminer. (at 15 s/block and with poclbm+friends 5s askrate and no LP, you're looking at something like 20% stales)

That would explain things.  Have the Bitcoin devs fixed the timewarp (sorry for lack of a better description, that's the only word I could think of) issue and what's there to stop someone from doing it right now?  Or is there still a bit of muscle required to overcome the existing 10-12TH/s on the network?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: gw4tt on September 13, 2011, 06:31:22 PM
To get a "acceptable" stale rate at 15s/block you pretty much need a local poold w/ longpolling + cgminer. (at 15 s/block and with poclbm+friends 5s askrate and no LP, you're looking at something like 20% stales)

That would explain things.  Have the Bitcoin devs fixed the timewarp (sorry for lack of a better description, that's the only word I could think of) issue and what's there to stop someone from doing it right now?  Or is there still a bit of muscle required to overcome the existing 10-12TH/s on the network?

Bitcoin doesn't adjust based on time - it adjusts based on block rates, so this problem never existed.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 06:34:29 PM
It fixed the timewarp exploit. So now a 51% attacker can do what a 51% attacker is supposed to be able to do. But no longer "create 10000 blocks in 5 minutes"


Tested and confirmed fixed!

cool !

Now I guess is time to invite pools... Or maybe make one...Decisions, decisions.

Oh, guys, BTW.

I forgot (silly me!) to turn Artz's NTP on in the config. It is strongly advised that everyone activate the ntp since otherwise shenanigans would eventually happen.

To do so, simply put the following line into your config:

ntp=1


Yup, that's all, then you're free to mine on!

P.S.:
I will update the git and the config coming with Win files when I get out of GPRS land...



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 06:37:13 PM
That would explain things.  Have the Bitcoin devs fixed the timewarp (sorry for lack of a better description, that's the only word I could think of) issue and what's there to stop someone from doing it right now?  Or is there still a bit of muscle required to overcome the existing 10-12TH/s on the network?
1. No.
2. You still roughly need 51% to do it, so something like 15Th/s for bitcoin...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 06:39:02 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.
    "blocks" : 1494,
    "difficulty" : 111.50074768,
= about 20min expected average at 400Mh/s


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 06:41:48 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.

Did you do the NTP thing  above ? How many connections ? I've fired up a ghettobox with 250 mhashes some time ago (to test Cosbycoin's complaints of "orphan storm") and it gets an occasional block, though only one so far (GUIminer w poc on Wx64)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 06:52:31 PM
NTP Thingy - Done

Number of connections - no idea. A lot of this stuff is over my head.  However, I'm good at screenshots, so I'll post this:

http://i.imgur.com/aPfc6.png


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.

Did you do the NTP thing  above ? How many connections ? I've fired up a ghettobox with 250 mhashes some time ago (to test Cosbycoin's complaints of "orphan storm") and it gets an occasional block, though only one so far (GUIminer w poc on Wx64)

Well that would be my problem. The ntp setting wasn't in the config. Thanks.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 06:59:05 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.

Did you do the NTP thing  above ? How many connections ? I've fired up a ghettobox with 250 mhashes some time ago (to test Cosbycoin's complaints of "orphan storm") and it gets an occasional block, though only one so far (GUIminer w poc on Wx64)

Well that would be my problem. The ntp setting wasn't in the config. Thanks.



Oky, sorry for missing it   on first go.

P.S.:
This also nicely confirms that we did, indeed, succeed at evicting timetravellers, lol :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 07:00:21 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.

Did you do the NTP thing  above ? How many connections ? I've fired up a ghettobox with 250 mhashes some time ago (to test Cosbycoin's complaints of "orphan storm") and it gets an occasional block, though only one so far (GUIminer w poc on Wx64)

Well that would be my problem. The ntp setting wasn't in the config. Thanks.



Oky, sorry for missing it   on first go.

P.S.:
This also nicely confirms that we did, indeed, succeed at evicting timetravellers, lol :)

The block generation rate appears much more stable. Good work lolcust!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
This line keeps coming up in geistd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000066bd76b9e7c9

Something wrong here?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.

Did you do the NTP thing  above ? How many connections ? I've fired up a ghettobox with 250 mhashes some time ago (to test Cosbycoin's complaints of "orphan storm") and it gets an occasional block, though only one so far (GUIminer w poc on Wx64)

Well that would be my problem. The ntp setting wasn't in the config. Thanks.



Oky, sorry for missing it   on first go.

P.S.:
This also nicely confirms that we did, indeed, succeed at evicting timetravellers, lol :)

lol back to the future!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 07:07:55 PM
I *think* this might be some people running without enablefullretargetperiod=1, but I'm far from certain on that.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
This line keeps coming up in geistd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000066bd76b9e7c9

Something wrong here?

Not necessarily. What is your current block per getinfo ?

Did you get my coins ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: gmaxwell on September 13, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
I've always felt that there's no reason to have a limit when adjusting downwards. If the current hashing rate is less than the required to adjust exactly by /4 then you'll need 2 long retargets to get back to normal speed, but if it can adjust freely then only 1 is needed. Namecoin is currently on this predicament. (http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php) The next adjustment will be by /4 to 23,500 but the "instant" difficulty (average of the last 120 blocks) is 7,000 so after this very long adjustment cycle there will be yet another long cycle, if the current hash rate remains constant.

Er!!! the downward side clamp is essential for security.

E.g. say the difficulty is a zillion and I want to mine a fantasy fork in order to trick clients that I've isolated into accepting txn that will never be confirmed on the main network.  I wait until near the end of a cycle at current difficulty pushing the timetamps into the future, ... when the adjustment happens on my fork if there is no limit the new difficulty it ends up pretty low and I can then maintain that fork in realtime for as long as I like.

With the limit it would require me mining tens of thousands of blocks at high difficulty to produce a valid chain at a difficulty I could maintain.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 07:12:16 PM
So it's agreed if I'm getting 0/0 shares it's something wrong on my end.... I'm just not sure what it is.  At this point I wanna get it to work just so it doesn't beat me.


Grrr shoulda went to school for tech.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 07:13:52 PM
block count would easily shed some light on this:
60k+ = you're on the old GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~350 = you're on the old GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod
~240 = you're on the new GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~1650 = you're on the new GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod

last one is the "real" chain.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 07:16:01 PM
This line keeps coming up in geistd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000066bd76b9e7c9

Something wrong here?

Not necessarily. What is your current block per getinfo ?

Did you get my coins ?

Getinfo blocks 1635
I added the ntp=1 flag and now the orphans are gone. Everything back to normal.
I received the coins! 400 confirmations. Thank you very much!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Sekioh on September 13, 2011, 07:19:29 PM
On the 'real' chain as count states above, got 12 hashes (last at 3:16pmEST, 2 min ago) over the last 8hrs, and 0 balance, 0 account transactions. I'm assuming they're all orphaned and somethings still up.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 07:21:07 PM
Orphans should show up in listtransactions, IIRC.

are you sure you have ntp=1, Sekioh ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 07:24:45 PM
http://i.imgur.com/v4hSe.png

I'm not sure how to get info like block# and connections other than looking at ggID.  So here's a screenshot.

I swear, I always overlook something so obvious.  Sorry for the n00b questions.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: heinz on September 13, 2011, 07:25:39 PM
third tab over. control
type


getinfo


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
I have a suspicion that some coins were mined that weren't legitimate. I had my first block orphaned and it containe dover 7 million coins.

Now can someone create a simple block explorer so we can verify the first 1000 blocks to see that no monkey business was done?

Thanks  ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 07:26:32 PM
Yeah, if your system clock is off more than 10 sec or so, you pretty much need ntp=1 (hrrrm... actually it should be gracefully falling back to median-of-peer-time in that case... wtf?)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 07:27:42 PM
third tab over. control
type


getinfo

Thank you.

Block 1676
Connections 13
Diff 132
hashespersec 0



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
I just got this
ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future
ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 07:42:20 PM
I have a suspicion that some coins were mined that weren't legitimate. I had my first block orphaned and it containe dover 7 million coins.

Now can someone create a simple block explorer so we can verify the first 1000 blocks to see that no monkey business was done?

Thanks  ;)


The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

The reasoning behind the sum is the following - geist has neither production drop-off nor upper limit on amount of gg in the chain (well, there sorta is, over a hundred billions, lol) which (combined with very fast blocks) means no expectation of deflation and thus a lower (compared to other alt-coins) price per unit (when exchanges open, that is)

Thus, I need much more than other coins in terms of bounties.

I also want to organize a "cryptocurrency laundry" that does not suffer from the usual crap of having too little coinage to ensure that you don't get fed your own coins.

After some guesstimations, I've reasoned that I need no less than four millions as buffer for laundry (never to be spent, but instead serve as "clean coin" supply for the laundry while "dirty" coins are accumulated in separate  wallet to eventually become the new buffer, while commission is diverted to yet another wallet) and about a pair of millions for bounties and stuff, so I can more easily persuade competent people to lend their helping hands to the effort. I added a bunch o'geists on top of that "just in case" so I can also open a "Geist Faucet" and keep it running for at least half a year (I am confident in my peer's ability to milk it dry)

Then, I proceeded to contemplate how should I organize pre-mining those, since forcing other people to download a crapton of blocks just because I want to start the cleanest e-money laundry of all times would be kinda mean.

I've figured a way of doing so in just one block without ruining the coin's operation via multicoin's inflation trigger thing, thus achieving pre-mining without encumbering the chain with a swarm of Laundry&Bounty Fund blocks
None of that was secret since post one, and BTW those coins are quite "canonical"

I just got this
ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future
ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED


TIMETRAVELLER EVICTED.
HUGE SUCCESS.

I am so putting this instead of usual error text in the next build.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 07:45:20 PM
I have a suspicion that some coins were mined that weren't legitimate. I had my first block orphaned and it containe dover 7 million coins.

Now can someone create a simple block explorer so we can verify the first 1000 blocks to see that no monkey business was done?

Thanks  ;)


The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

The reasoning behind the sum is the following - geist has neither production drop-off nor upper limit on amount of gg in the chain (well, there sorta is, over a hundred billions, lol) which means no expectation of deflation and thus a lower (compared to other alt-coins) price per unit (when exchanged open)

Thus, I need much more than other coins in terms of bounties.

I also want to organize a "cryptocurrency laundry" that does not suffer from the usual crap of having too little coinage to ensure that you don't get fed your own coins.

After some guesstimations, I've reasoned that I need no less than four millions as buffer for laundry (never to be spent, but instead serve as "clean coin" supply for the laundry while "dirty" coins are accumulated in separate  wallet to eventually become the new buffer, while commission is diverted to yet another laundry) and about a pair of millions for bounties and stuff, so I can more easily persuade competent people to lend their helping hands to the effort.

Then, I proceeded to contemplate how should I organize pre-mining those, since forcing other people to download a crapton of blocks just because I want to start the cleanest e-money laundry of all times would be kinda mean.

I've figured a way of doing so in just one block without ruining the coin's operation via multicoin's inflation trigger thing, thus achieving pre-mining without encumbering the chain with a swarm of Laundry&Bounty Fund blocks
None of that was secret since post one, and BTW those coins are quite "canonical"

Tell me this. What's to stop you from dumping them on the exchange when one does come along?

This is starting to sound like the ixcoin story all over again...

7 million premined coins in a single block? How many blocks did u get?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: johnj on September 13, 2011, 07:46:28 PM
Okay lolcust,

Do you see anything wrong here?

http://i.imgur.com/7tQyB.png

It's probably right there and I don't even see it.  Still can't get any work done.

Thanks again for your help.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lumpy on September 13, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
block count would easily shed some light on this:
60k+ = you're on the old GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~350 = you're on the old GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod
~240 = you're on the new GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~1650 = you're on the new GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod

last one is the "real" chain.

Thanks for this! After finally getting on the right chain (was on the ~240 chain) and setting ntp=1 I'm starting to see some accepted shares. 8)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 07:49:12 PM

I just got this
ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future
ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED

Quote
TIMETRAVELLER EVICTED.
HUGE SUCCESS.

I am so putting this instead of usual error text in the next build.

LOL
So i'm guessing its not my client making the wrong timestamp?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: wallet.dat on September 13, 2011, 07:51:13 PM
TIMETRAVELLER EVICTED.
HUGE SUCCESS.

I am so putting this instead of usual error text in the next build.

It'd be cooler to put something like "Block velocity exceeds 88mph" :P


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Sekioh on September 13, 2011, 07:51:27 PM
Orphans should show up in listtransactions, IIRC.

are you sure you have ntp=1, Sekioh ?

Yeah, had to be on the right chain, had the right block number in the 1600 range, was using the raw console, also tried doing the 'client' and straight out of box getting application exception crashes saying something about txn_ and the save point and to run database recovery. I wiped all the database and lock files, only the wallet was left and it redownloads most of the basics and then crashes there again before it gets very far into the process of setup.

This chains been nothing but trouble from the start for me :| Hours wasted to get reset then all the shares dont exist or are stale, and crashing. Was trying to dedicate some time to the chain, but this is just hassle after hassle.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 13, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

Wow, this was never mentioned. That's very sneaky of you. This is even worse than ixcoin. I'm glad this came out before I waste more time with this scamcoin.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 07:56:41 PM
Lolcust exactly how many premined GG coins do you have?
At the rate we have been generating these blocks it would take 93 days just to mine 7,000,000 GG.

That seems like an awfully long head start on bounty coins (over 3 months time at current rates).



 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:00:37 PM
 
Tell me this. What's to stop you from dumping them on the exchange when one does come along?

The fact that I will earn, at most, a grand 'o bucks in bitcoin, while instead I could use the Superfund as bounties (or convert small fractions into bitcoins to pay folks who don't like being paid in Geist) to make Geist better, implement optimizations that will prevent it from choking to death on its block-speed and c00l tricks like Contracts, hidden transactions and shit-whatnot, make my laundry, and insure a steady income from helping simple Joe Sixpack Bitcoinlaunderer   launder dirty bitcoins via "DirtyBTC->GG->LolcustLaundry->squeaky-clean GG->Squeaky-clean BTC (from a different exchange)" scheme ?

I could earn a grand o'buck by smuggling cellphones into Belarus.

What I want is to take a stab at viable alt-chain, with possibility of stable (if small) completely automated income via provision of much required community service :D

Not everyone is a dim short-term maximizer, dude.

This is starting to sound like the ixcoin story all over again...

Only with actual, you know, differences, and actual benefit to community (which has already manifested in the form of Timetraveler-eviction patch)
7 million premined coins in a single block? How many blocks did u get?

1 worth 7 mil, and 200 worth 7. You see, Multicoin code allows to put X into first block, and then apply a different ruleset to the rest. Neat feat.

I have given away every single Geist in the latter 200 blocks (to which any subsequent Block-exploration will trivially attest)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 08:04:38 PM
 
Tell me this. What's to stop you from dumping them on the exchange when one does come along?

The fact that I will earn, at most, a grand 'o bucks in bitcoin, while instead I could use the Superfund as bounties (or convert small fractions into bitcoins to pay folks who don't like being paid in Geist) to make Geist better, implement optimizations that will prevent it from choking to death on its block-speed and c00l tricks like Contracts, hidden transactions and shit-whatnot, make my laundry, and insure a steady income from helping simple Joe Sixpack Bitcoinlaunderer   launder dirty bitcoins via "DirtyBTC->GG->LolcustLaundry->squeaky-clean GG->Squeaky-clean BTC (from a different exchange)" scheme ?

I could earn a grand o'buck by smuggling cellphones into Belarus.

What I want is to take a stab at viable alt-chain, with possibility of stable (if small) completely automated income via provision of much required community service :D

Not everyone is a dim short-term maximizer, dude.

This is starting to sound like the ixcoin story all over again...

Only with actual, you know, differences, and actual benefit to community (which has already manifested in the form of Timetraveler-eviction patch)
7 million premined coins in a single block? How many blocks did u get?

1 worth 7 mil, and 200 worth 7. You see, Multicoin code allows to put X into first block, and then apply a different ruleset to the rest. Neat feat.

I have given away every single Geist in the latter 200 blocks (to which any subsequent Block-exploration will trivially attest)

You bring up valid points.

There are major difference and improvements yes.

Who did you give the 200 blocks to?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

Wow, this was never mentioned. That's very sneaky of you. This is even worse than ixcoin.

cough  cough cough::) didn't I mention having a fund for starting up a laundry and posting bounties ? I definitely did no less than twice in this thread.

How   does baby bounty form?

premining  ;D !

I could premine them the ugly way, and burden the network with a crapton of Fund Blocks, or I could do it the economic way and waste only one block on the affair.

Lolcust exactly how many premined GG coins do you have?

My current budget is 7769999 in bounty + laundry superfund, and a couple hundreds I couldn't send a guy because his address seems broken.


At the rate we have been generating these blocks it would take 93 days just to mine 7,000,000 GG.

That seems like an awfully long head start on bounty coins (over 3 months time at current rates).[/b]

Don't forget that I intend to sink no less than four (maybe more) mils into my Laundry Buffer, to never ever be spent (and provide a service to the community, yay!)


 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 13, 2011, 08:06:54 PM
Here's your first post. Now explain how you can conveniently "forget" to mention this important thing about 7 million pre-mined coins.
I mean I'm ok with pre-mined used to benefit a coin with bounties and the laundry idea. And 7 million might be a bit excessive. But not mentioning it before you got people to mine your coin is unacceptable.

UTC 7:13 9.9.2011

-- [Critical] update 13/11, please download new version (if you like the "crutches" pseudo-GUI, download the "crutches" version since pseudo-gui was updated too) or update from Github--

--If not updating via downloading the new "crutches", don't forget to update both .exe and .conf !--

Hello everybody !


Ladies and gentlemen, it is that time again - cryptocurrency of the week time!

Has it been too long since the last one started ?

Is it too soon ?

Who knows. Without further ado, I hereby present you, the Geist Geld!

 https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld

Geist Geld is an experimental currency intended to test out the limits of block generation rate empirically, as well as (assuming it does not die due to overly rapid block generation rate) the behavior of a cryptocurrency with (almost) stable generation rate and no upper limit or alteration to supply.

Geist Geld intentionally seeks to trade some decentralization to gain more transaction speed, thus, pools are kindly invited to participate so that centralization would increase somewhat

Now, with your kind permission, some infrequently asked questions

Why not call it "Flaccid Coin" ?

Actually, name is the idea of the person who kept motivating me to go through with the project.
It is not a bad name - it neatly abbreviates to GG or GEG, it sounds sort of cool (all German words do) and most importantly, it does not follow the stale and confusing naming scheme of %random_word%coin (which, quite frankly, makes differentiating between alt-coins quite a chore)

Why did you decide to remove all alterations of production over time ?

It seemed like an interesting thing to try out.

If Bitcoin's approach can be metaphorically compared to mining an (ever decreasing) amount of gold, GeistGeld's approach can be metaphorically compared to "idealized" solar power, when output is stable (barring a few "flares" when a new big pool joins, of course :) )

The block rate is too fast !

That's not a question.
However, I see little reason for concern.

See, GG is specifically intended as an experiment for empirically assessing "cryptocurrency" behavior under such conditions. Worst that can happen is that GG fails to deliver, but that is hardly a guaranteed outcome.

Only he who risks is free.

Why are you using Multicoin ?

Multicoin is a project with much potential and wonderful features (Escrow's already there, and more stuff on its way), and using it will allow Geist Geld to be proving ground for new ideas while benefiting from functional richness multicoin has potential to offer. If/when custom features /GUIs etc. will be developed for GG, they will be incorporated into MC (assuming the maintainers agree as to their value) and vice versa.

Generally, it's a streamlined and efficient approach to rolling out a new cryptocurrency, and I hope more BTC forks will use it as a starting point.

Why are you leeching on the Bitcoin community ?

To the contrary, not only am I not leeching, I happen to think that, should GG survive it's launch, it can serve as guinea pig for various optimizations that can be later implemented in Bitcoin (assuming real programmers take interest, of course), thus benefiting community at large.

Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

Where is the site?

Coming soon

Give me windows binaries!

Ok, here. (no GUI, and do investigate Multicoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24209.0) to learn how to run this properly)

  http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymc9tito0mbj2l

However, for those who are extra-unhappy with GUI-less soft, a makeshift solution has been constructed from opensource portable console and a bunch of batch files.
   http://www.mediafire.com/?g8i4lx4qjf6phie  (<- recommended for windows users)
It's not pretty (at all), but it runs on windows out of the box. Includes configs and everything.

Any services ?

Assuming it lives past day 4, there will be exchanges, pools, and a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

What will  happen if the network sustain a block per 15 seconds ?

Geist Geld will push the limit further and up the ante by increasing it to 1 block per 7 seconds (BTW, I expect to also have "message signing" (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/183) feature implemented in Geist Geld by that time :))

That would probably allow for interesting stuff to take place...

=====ATTENTION! LINKS CHANGED! CRITICAL UPDATE ! DON'T FORGET TO DELETE PREVIOUS DATABASE FILES, THEY ARE NOW INVALID ![/url]=====




Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

Eh ?

I thought long and hard about the 7 mil figure.

If I was making a coin that has "max amount" and isn't churned out at a rate of 7 units every 15 seconds, it would have been excessive.

Given lack of deflationary anticipation in GG (and upper limit that borders on astronomical), if anything, I'm afraid that I pre-mined too little to allow my (planned) laundry serve a large order of bitcoins (via abovementioned scheme), should such arrive.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 08:10:59 PM
Here's your first post. Now explain how you can conveniently "forget" to mention this important thing about 7 million pre-mined coins.
I mean I'm ok with pre-mined used to benefit a coin with bounties and the laundry idea. And 7 million might be a bit excessive. But not mentioning it before you got people to mine your coin is unacceptable.


Good point. Where did you say anything about 7 million premined coins?

You just said "bounties".

As I indicated it will take the network at least 93 days to generate 7million coins.

You think 3 months head-start is more than enough time to get things in place?

But i'm not trying to troll I'm just wanting answers like coblee.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

Eh ?

I suggest you create a set of board members who will hold each an equal amount of those 7 million for bounties so that there is accountability.

Say you had like 10 people with each 700,000 GG and they were reputable in the community. I think users of GG would be more apt to want to put trust in this project.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 13, 2011, 08:17:44 PM
Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

Eh ?

So instead of being open and telling people about your 7 mil pre-mined coins, you expect people to deduce that you mined some coins by the fact that you said "bounty" and using "100% squeaky clean" coins. Well, bounty coins can be mined after the coin has been published. And 100% squeaky clean coins can be mined afterwards for your laundry also. It doesn't necessarily mean you had to pre-mine them. But that's besides the point. You purposely did not mention that you pre-mined 7 million coins because you knew people would not mine your coins if you did that. Tell me that's not true.

I don't doubt that you have good intentions with those 7 mil pre-mined coins. But hiding information is not a good way to go about it and it definitely hurt the trust people have in you and your coins now.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 08:21:53 PM
Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

Eh ?

So instead of being open and telling people about your 7 mil pre-mined coins, you expect people to deduce that you mined some coins by the fact that you said "bounty" and using "100% squeaky clean" coins. Well, bounty coins can be mined after the coin has been published. And 100% squeaky clean coins can be mined afterwards for your laundry also. It doesn't necessarily mean you had to pre-mine them. But that's besides the point. You purposely did not mention that you pre-mined 7 million coins because you knew people would not mine your coins if you did that. Tell me that's not true.

I don't doubt that you have good intentions with those 7 mil pre-mined coins. But hiding information is not a good way to go about it and it definitely hurt the trust people have in you and your coins now.

+1 Agreed. Lolcust needs to setup a circle of trust with community members to hold those 7,000,000 coins in a decentralized manner.

I trust him but what's to say that he gets pissed off like coinhunter and decides to do something rash?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
Here's your first post. Now explain how you can conveniently "forget" to mention this important thing about 7 million pre-mined coins.
I mean I'm ok with pre-mined used to benefit a coin with bounties and the laundry idea. And 7 million might be a bit excessive. But not mentioning it before you got people to mine your coin is unacceptable.


Good point. Where did you say anything about 7 million premined coins?

I admit I am mildly avoidant of the issue due to it being hotbutton for a lot of folks, though, to be honest, Ixcoin did that in a much less elegant and much more burdening way, with far less innovation and net benefit to community (I'm not counting the "I made 500 bucks on Ixcoin, lol" kind of benefit), and it's not like it's dead as a result or something

As I indicated it will take the network at least 93 days to generate 7million coins.

You think 3 months head-start is more than enough time to get things in place?

I -hope- to have the laundry running in 2-3 month, but so far I'm on the lookout for devs (especially ones who want a Geist bounty)

So to be fair, it would be best if you compared bounty+faucet+small stuff fund of approx 2+ mil with the net performance, not including the 4 mils I intend to "forever bind" in a Laundry.

Also, one of conditions for bounty projects (which GG will traditionally have, stand by for list) will be that they are made open-source, so that everyone can benefit from them

a wonderful laundry service that guarantees 100% squeaky clean GeistGeld (mined, no history attached)

Eh ?

I suggest you create a set of board members who will hold each an equal amount of those 7 million for bounties so that there is accountability.

Say you had like 10 people with each 700,000 GG and they were reputable in the community. I think users of GG would be more apt to want to put trust in this project.



That would be an awesome thing to do, but it would require a system of public accountability not yet in place (But I do intend to take a stab at placing a bounty on Bitcoin Contracts implementation for Geist, though I somewhat doubt there will be takers)

It also raises issues of how does this thing manage the Lolcust Laundry which, I must admit, is an idea I am very attached to (because I always dreamed to launder large sums of moneys, lol  :D)

Currently, accountability is trivially managed by watching blockchain as to whether I am trying to sell off a large chunk of superfund, trivially done as soon as geist gets an online explorer.

A complex structure with 10 people would be far harder to monitor, and in the end due to ephemeral nature of all cryptocurrency, just as questionable in terms of accountability.

Also, consider this:
Unless Geist explodes in popularity to Tamagochiesque proportions, there is no chance in hell of ever selling off even 1 000 000 geists in "a chunk"

The whole point of Superfund was that the biggest part will end up "bound" forever while a smaller part will slowly trickle to people willing to contribute time and effort to bettering Geist (and other chains, since everything is gonna be open-source, even the Laundry code, *yes bitcoin laundry, I am looking at you :) * )
 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
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So instead of being open and telling people about your 7 mil pre-mined coins, you expect people to deduce that you mined some coins by the fact that you said "bounty" and using "100% squeaky clean" coins. Well, bounty coins can be mined after the coin has been published.

Um, so far, this approach has not even been tested, let alone demonstrated.

Besides, I think that somewhere later on I said I was "giving away everything except the Laundry and Bounty fund".
You purposely did not mention that you pre-mined 7 million coins because you knew people would not mine your coins if you did that. Tell me that's not true.

Not so much "wouldn't mine" (everyone and his dog can plainly see that the only use millions of Geists could have is 1) Binding them in a huge laundry 2) slowly, very slowly spending them, with a solid chunk being spent on the project itself (so that the utility, and thus price, of the remaining Geists would rise) but "would start a 10 page long discussion about how to best manage the Fund and how large a buffer does Lolcust Laundry need to server an order of laundering 500 000 bitcoins through GeistGeld instead of addressing technical issues which are of far greater importance.

People mined IxCoin after all, and I don't remember ixCoin dude setting up a Really Huge laundry (or even intending to do so), or even bothering to pre-mine his rations in a manner that places minimum burden on the chain, thus I don't expect people to run away screaming because of Fund.

I do expect it to be a potent flame vector, though.
I don't doubt that you have good intentions with those 7 mil pre-mined coins. But hiding information is not a good way to go about it and it definitely hurt the trust people have in you and your coins now.

I wasn't explicitly hiding it though - in fact, relevant commands can be found in the config in plaintext, and given how every-single-coin (except namecoin maybe?) premined, I honestly did not expect people to even entertain but a single doubt that I did premine.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:51:41 PM

+1 Agreed. Lolcust needs to setup a circle of trust with community members to hold those 7,000,000 coins in a decentralized manner.

As soon as Geist gets Contract code, I will seek out a way to manage the bounty + faucet (-beer +vodka + hookers +cigar ;) ) part via an open, publicly accountable decentralized management system it presents.

Managing the Laundry Buffer in such a manner seems... problematic (and I am attached to the idea of starting a "squeaky clean laundry that can help cleaning any coins as long as they can be converted to Geist and Back")

I trust him but what's to say that he gets pissed off like coinhunter and decides to do something rash?

Um, print out the part of the blockchain that "contains" the Superfund and wrap it around my genitals, screaming "behold the mighty lolopenis!!!" ? ::)

What exactly can you do with 4-7 mil of any neo-coin except use them as a buffer in a laundry-like system or veeeryyyy slooooowwwwlllyyyyyy spend them (and again, the wisest spending is that on project itself, since it makes the remaining coins increase in functionality and perceived value) ?

There is no chance in hell of selling-off even a fraction of that in one go, and if you have to sell them sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy (veeeeryyyyy) you may as well start slowly spending them to convince people to contribute useful code (increasing the value of whatever remains and benefiting the community at large due to the whole open-source thingie :) )

So you are starting a formal money laundering scheme?

Depends on whether your jurisdiction recognizes "digital coinsis" as money.

Mine would beat me to the death for having this conversation, so I may as well start "laundering" abstract mathematical constructs.

You pre-mined with NO effort involved 7 mil coins and the community is to just trust your word on what you are using it for?

Due to the size of Superfund, it has virtually no other use.

You are promoting attacks on your system that you actually want users to adopt... so they can feel more secure in their financial/time investments..?

Errrr... now I lost ya.

Where did I "promote" an "attack" on Geist ?   ???

You are planning new features that you can't develop on your own and the only hope is to bounty with a coin that currently has no value?

I do contemplate investing some USD into it, but there aren't much USD I can throw at a coin without facing Dire Secondary Consequences ;)

I also hope that some people will just implement stuff into Geist because they've got this cool idea nobody (especially not Lolcust) ever thought about, but yes, I do intend to post large bounties on Geist features (stuff such as thin clients and blockchain optimizations that later could be ported to other chains) in hopes that some devs will consider it worth a stab.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 13, 2011, 09:01:58 PM
We can all keep track of the 7,000,000 coins and I guess that Lolcust knows his coin is history if he rips us off.

I give him and his coin a chance. It's experimental and he did something with advice from ArtForz and other people.
So he is not another "CH", in my opinion.

Do we all agree to give GeistGeld a chance, at least?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 09:13:19 PM

Seems to be a promotion of attacking a live system to me....  I certainly wouldn't thank Artforz or BTCExpress for attacking a live system you actually want people to invest time and resources into, they can test things offline and still provide fixes for you.

Difference between "thanks for attacking" and "thanks for fixing it up" :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 09:20:06 PM
Got a little creative and made this!
Applying for artwork bounty lol
http://i.imgur.com/6AyM2.png


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
We can all keep track of the 7,000,000 coins and I guess that Lolcust knows his coin is history if he rips us off.

The most horribly evil thing I could do without ruining Geist (and thus the Superfund, and the Laundry which I so dearly hope to create) is to sell off enough Geist to buy meself a keg of beer and hire a hooker (and get "investigated" for "suspicious buying patterns" by the honorible police of my glorible  president :) )

BTW, assuming Geist doesn't choke on blocks or something equally terrible, in less then a year  Superfund (the entire thing, both laundry and the bounty and the "small things") won't look that Super (it will still be somewhat  impressive, but given the upper bound for total number of Geists in the hundreds of billions and demonstrated capacity for sustained operation, not that zomghuge as it might seem now).

  I am thus mildly concerned that I have, in fact, premined too little a sum to get a decent laundry going :(

Got a little creative and made this!
Applying for artwork bounty lol
http://i.imgur.com/6AyM2.png

Hm, if you "emboss" the "sorta-official Geistgeld logo" on it (You can see the small version in the background of windows bundle, file itself is in the Data/scripts folder of the bundle, but I can send a large-ish PNG if needed), I will part with about 500 Geists :)

Sorry, I just am somewhat less-than-rationally attached to the logo I've cobbled together from stuff and recycled stuff while waiting for the first build to compile ^__^


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 09:31:43 PM
I can give it a try! Send the png pls?

Btw, my client says this on getinfo
 "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!"

And geistd shows a lot of ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000f644a13bf23c


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 09:47:16 PM
I can give it a try! Send the png pls?

Btw, my client says this on getinfo
 "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!"

And geistd shows a lot of ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000f644a13bf23c

Okay, this is itchy...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 09:51:27 PM
I can give it a try! Send the png pls?

Btw, my client says this on getinfo
 "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!"

And geistd shows a lot of ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000f644a13bf23c

Okay, this is itchy...
Did a restart of geistd and now the error is gone. I have the NTP=1 option set. I have no clue whats wrong here..


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 09:51:49 PM
It seems to be due to many peers not bothering to do an ntp=1, and/or you managing to find yourself a "weird" ntp server for that particular request.

OKAY, ONCE AGAIN, EVERYBODY PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO TURN ON NTP

ntp=1

must be in the config.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Coinbuck @ BTCLot on September 13, 2011, 11:04:23 PM
It would be nice to a official client with GUI. I may want this into the project I'm developing.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
It would be nice to a official client with GUI. I may want this into the project I'm developing.

Well, at some point there will be a semi-final GUI (probably waaay after signing is implemented), though Crutches makes for a bearable GUI replacement (and versatile in terms of easily implementing a "tab+batch" for the more unwieldy or just exotic functions, see Escrow tabs, for example)

I will make a Crutches for Namecoin after the whole "upcoming storm" thing resolves one way or another.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 13, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Made this one from the small icon in the scriptfolder.
Do you like the darker color?
http://i.imgur.com/TOtNi.png


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 11:52:31 PM
Made this one from the small icon in the scriptfolder.
Do you like the darker color?
http://i.imgur.com/TOtNi.png

Nifty, though I already sent you the bigger one.

I liked the first one color scheme more, and TBH the thing in the center is supposed to be the pupil so perhaps you could filter it differently ? (Am I being to nitpicky for 500 geists lol :) ? )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 14, 2011, 12:20:19 AM
I'll sleep on it!
LOL Now I see its an eye! I need to learn photoshop so this is actually good training for me. :D
Will post a new version tomorrow according to your requests!
(If you like it you can double the bounty  ;D )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on September 14, 2011, 01:09:33 AM
Hmm so what is the actual full hacked bitcoin.conf that actually makes this work?
(or in my case gg.conf)

As usual I'll never trust someone else's executable, so I grabbed the git and then modified all the 'bitcoin' words in there to 'gg'
(... slack ... lazy ... why didn't you change that in the first place? Or should I be looking closely at the code that access the .bitcoin directory???)

... and added my 'usual' modifications that work on all the other chains ...

... and then even added these changes:
ntp=1
testnet=1
enablefullretargetperiod=1

and I still get a 99 block chain that matches the first 99 block of bitcoin ...

Any hints?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on September 14, 2011, 01:34:09 AM
Meh - ok ignore that - found the config in the Config+Blockchain.zip ...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: JohnDoe on September 14, 2011, 02:24:40 AM
How fast were the block rate and retargets on this chain again?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 04:50:48 AM
Just a thought: At the current rate of 15 second blocks and 7 coins per block the entire network will generate an additional 7,000,000 coins in something like 178 days.

With all of the other chains it never took that long to create the bounty sum total.

Just saying it might seem that 7million was waay overkill in terms of diluting the market value if an exchange does come up.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 08:53:46 AM
Just a thought: At the current rate of 15 second blocks and 7 coins per block the entire network will generate an additional 7,000,000 coins in something like 178 days.

With all of the other chains it never took that long to create the bounty sum total.

Just saying it might seem that 7million was waay overkill in terms of diluting the market value if an exchange does come up.

Don't forget that no less than 4 mils are intended to rest forever as buffer in a laundry. Speaking of which, I am getting opinions ranging from "with 4 mils you could launder entire Silk Road (fuck yeah!)" to "with mere 4 mils you will have to resort to laundering 1000-10000 BTC per cycle at most, probably less,  should have gone for 1 bil buffer (awwww :'( )" (But if I did go for such a sum, I would have had to change my username to Lolbernanke and that doesn't have the same ring to it)

And cryptocoin exchanges show zero care about "hoarded" sums as long as the hoarder isn't selling off (which is the stupidest thing to do with such a large load of them), according to some folks I asked

One of the reasons I am generally avoidant of the whole discussion is because it quickly turns into "is x mil too small for a laundry buffer in a 'non-deflationary' coin" which, as I have learned, is a pretty infinite thing to discuss (so I just picked a number that seemed "good enuff" and proceeded to figure out a way to get it without having the net to carry extra blocks)

How fast were the block rate and retargets on this chain again?

1 block per 15 seconds, retarget every 16 blocks.

Lowered retarget limit to avoid large "jitter" of difficulty (works neat, so far)

No imposed upper limit on overall number of geist in circulation

Escrow enabled and working

Nonstandard tx enabled, so if you have That Genius Script Idea, you're welcome.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 09:22:12 AM
What exactly would a nonstandard tx look like or be used for?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 09:50:57 AM
What exactly would a nonstandard tx look like or be used for?

Cunning and complicated things that allow for doing unusual stuff like Escrow (when 2 or more parties have to sign a transaction to decide who would eventually get them moneys) or somesuch.

One of the most attractive, to me, was Gavin's hidden transactions, but it turns out it's not workable for now (I can't help wondering if amendments can be made to make it work without thoroughly ruining things and opening a large can of worms, it is/was such an awesome little thing...hm...food for thought ;))


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
What exactly would a nonstandard tx look like or be used for?

Cunning and complicated things that allow for doing unusual stuff like Escrow (when 2 or more parties have to sign a transaction to decide who would eventually get them moneys) or somesuch.

One of the most attractive, to me, was Gavin's hidden transactions, but it turns out it's not workable for now (I can't help wondering if amendments can be made to make it work without thoroughly ruining things and opening a large can of worms, it is/was such an awesome little thing...hm...food for thought ;))

Hmm hidden transactions? Any other details or threads you can direct me to on this topic?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
What exactly would a nonstandard tx look like or be used for?

Cunning and complicated things that allow for doing unusual stuff like Escrow (when 2 or more parties have to sign a transaction to decide who would eventually get them moneys) or somesuch.

One of the most attractive, to me, was Gavin's hidden transactions, but it turns out it's not workable for now (I can't help wondering if amendments can be made to make it work without thoroughly ruining things and opening a large can of worms, it is/was such an awesome little thing...hm...food for thought ;))

Hmm hidden transactions? Any other details or threads you can direct me to on this topic?

The hidden transactions, or rather their tragic demise (at least for now, until   somebody maybe-hopefully finds a way to bring them back to life in Geist :) ) were discussed in this very thread, starting here  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42417.msg521460#msg521460

things like authority-based validation (and in-validation) of small-time transactions, and who knows what else (Definitely not me, lol) might be possible. 

In general, it seems like a tower of awesome, though not without risks (I decided that Geist might as well take the risks, since we already have one very careful, very robust coin called Bitcoin ;) )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: joulesbeef on September 14, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
Thanks for the announcement and sorry but I'm going to fight against this getting an exchange before the other coins are fixed. I would hate to see bitcoinexpress who was an early adopter of geist geld profit from his actions.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: FlipPro on September 14, 2011, 04:14:24 PM
Thanks for the announcement and sorry but I'm going to fight against this getting an exchange before the other coins are fixed. I would hate to see bitcoinexpress who was an early adopter of geist geld profit from his actions.
+1


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Thanks for the announcement and sorry but I'm going to fight against this getting an exchange before the other coins are fixed. I would hate to see bitcoinexpress who was an early adopter of geist geld profit from his actions.
+1

Why +1 ?
You didn't notice GG is restarted and BitcoinExpress is no longer in any advance?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 04:28:42 PM
FlipPro is dreaming about a currency with explicit demurrage, Geist ain't not radical enough in its nonencouragement of hoarding for his tastes ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 04:58:41 PM
I think it's time for an exchange :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 14, 2011, 05:33:50 PM
I put way too much time into this. But it was fun..
I have made a high res version from the icon Lolcust sent me. Using a program called perfect resize I managed to make it large enough to use in other project, without too much pixel distortion. Like this coin for example. Which is 50% size of original I made.
http://i.imgur.com/rwUIq.png
Theres also this version http://imgur.com/YhR6l (http://imgur.com/YhR6l) with a little more texture.. perhaps too much.

Btw I'll send the high res icon if anyone want it. Just PM.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 14, 2011, 06:11:08 PM
how many blocks mined so far?

i ran getinfo & it said blocks 6968, still its downloading in daemon tab.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
how many blocks mined so far?

i ran getinfo & it said blocks 6968, still its downloading in daemon tab.

6980 over here, so I think it's correct.

3738 GeistGeld so far... Could be worth more than 3 BTC  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 06:16:52 PM
Thanks for the announcement and sorry but I'm going to fight against this getting an exchange before the other coins are fixed. I would hate to see bitcoinexpress who was an early adopter of geist geld profit from his actions.
BCX doesnt have an advantage over anyone. He as well as the rest of us started on a newly launched network.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 08:07:32 PM
I just did some math and found out that if the difficutly of GG was ever to get to 16,000 roughly it would take about 28 minutes to come back down to 1 if I am understanding that decreases in difficulty can range from +400% to -400%.

That sound right?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 08:14:09 PM
I just did some math and found out that if the difficutly of GG was ever to get to 16,000 roughly it would take about 28 minutes to come back down to 1 if I am understanding that decreases in difficulty can range from +400% to -400%.

That sound right?

What adjustment limit factor did you use ?

+/- 400% is the default bitcoin values, and they resulted in large jitter that greatly displeased some miners, so I've dropped that. From the top of my head, current adjust is 176,9%, symmetrical +/-, with retargets every 16 blocks.

I put way too much time into this. But it was fun..
I have made a high res version from the icon Lolcust sent me. Using a program called perfect resize I managed to make it large enough to use in other project, without too much pixel distortion. Like this coin for example. Which is 50% size of original I made.
http://i.imgur.com/rwUIq.png
Theres also this version http://imgur.com/YhR6l (http://imgur.com/YhR6l) with a little more texture.. perhaps too much.

Btw I'll send the high res icon if anyone want it. Just PM.


Neat. You can expect 500 Geists to arrive a mite later today


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
I just did some math and found out that if the difficutly of GG was ever to get to 16,000 roughly it would take about 28 minutes to come back down to 1 if I am understanding that decreases in difficulty can range from +400% to -400%.

That sound right?

What adjustment limit factor did you use ?

+/- 400% is the default bitcoin values, and they resulted in large jitter that greatly displeased some miners, so I've dropped that. From the top of my head, current adjust is 176,9%, symmetrical +/-, with retargets every 16 blocks.

I put way too much time into this. But it was fun..
I have made a high res version from the icon Lolcust sent me. Using a program called perfect resize I managed to make it large enough to use in other project, without too much pixel distortion. Like this coin for example. Which is 50% size of original I made.
http://i.imgur.com/rwUIq.png
Theres also this version http://imgur.com/YhR6l (http://imgur.com/YhR6l) with a little more texture.. perhaps too much.

Btw I'll send the high res icon if anyone want it. Just PM.


Neat. You can expect 500 Geists to arrive a mite later today

Okay so then in my example it should be more like ~70mins instead of 28min to readjust to diff 1 from 16,000 if all miners left the scene.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 08:23:43 PM
Yup. If there is one thing Geist is not "afraid" of, it's the Namecoin Pool Fiasco (well, that and Zeitgeist attacks :) )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
BCX is dropping his load of GH/s right now on this chain. I just saw my last 12 blocks get orphaned.

LOL


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
Meh, as long as he isn't screwing up diffs or doing other "hax" shenanigans, it's perfectly fine.

It's not like we'll have to wait several month to resume mining GG as usual ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 08:28:40 PM
Meh, as long as he isn't screwing up diffs or doing other "hax" shenanigans, it's perfectly fine.

It's not like we'll have to wait several month to resume mining GG as usual ;)

I know that is the beauty of it. It will likely cost someone much more who has much more processing power to mine these things and us with the little GH/s we have can keep up.

He he he...

EDIT: There must be some sort of threshold where the amount of GH/s you put on the network starts to make you less coins per GH/s.

Right?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: RandyFolds on September 14, 2011, 08:34:59 PM
I am not going to scan through 15 pages of retardation to see if this has been addressed, but, in english, to geld is to castrate.

Have fun running around with your balls chopped off, forktards.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
That's exactly what I am testing, The Difficulty Adjust,.... it works FLAWLESSLY...good job Lolcust.

Nothing "Hax" involved, just straight up firepower!

Testing out the "Hit Pool" nothing fun like having the controls to a 200 gh/ s pool to play with. This is an advanced pool, I can bring them online when I want, a psuedo-bot net if you will.

No need to panic.
Wow so that was 200GH u dropped on it? Nice...seems diff only went up to like max 120 or so.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 08:38:04 PM
I am not going to scan through 15 pages of retardation to see if this has been addressed, but, in english, to geld is to castrate.

Have fun running around with your balls chopped off, forktards.

You came all the way over here to castrate yourself? Good job buddy!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
I am not going to scan through 15 pages of retardation to see if this has been addressed, but, in english, to geld is to castrate.

Have fun running around with your balls chopped off, forktards.

In Germany and the Netherlands it's "money".
Pronunciation is different, though.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
The only thing I can really claim credit for is the number 1.769
[coinhunter]I will now patent it and put it under closed-source license [/coinhunter]


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
Strange, all the miners are working, blocks are coming in (now at 7641) but coins stay at 4018 for 30 minutes now.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
The only thing I can really claim credit for is the number 1.769
[coinhunter]I will now patent it and put it under closed-source license [/coinhunter]

Now c'mon if you are going to state something like that show us the link.  I have never seen him state that and I watch both forums regularly.  The license is NOT closed source, nor is it entirely open.  One merely needs to request permission and to date I have only ever heard of him responding positively to those requests.

Hyperbole is a common way to carry out a parody, and humorous intent is quite apparent in the faux tags.

The intent was to lampoon the rather bizarre and comical license escapade of his, not to claim that he has, indeed, attempted to patent a number.

Strange, all the miners are working, blocks are coming in (now at 7641) but coins stay at 4018 for 30 minutes now.

Hm, any orphans popping up in listtransactions ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
The only thing I can really claim credit for is the number 1.769
[coinhunter]I will now patent it and put it under closed-source license [/coinhunter]

Now c'mon if you are going to state something like that show us the link.  I have never seen him state that and I watch both forums regularly.  The license is NOT closed source, nor is it entirely open.  One merely needs to request permission and to date I have only ever heard of him responding positively to those requests.

Hyperbole is a common way to carry out a parody, and humorous intent is quite apparent in the faux tags.

The intent was to lampoon the rather bizarre and comical license escapade of his, not to claim that he has, indeed, attempted to patent a number.

Strange, all the miners are working, blocks are coming in (now at 7641) but coins stay at 4018 for 30 minutes now.

Hm, any orphans popping up in listtransactions ?

Yup, all of them.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 09:17:17 PM
Hm, and you're running what soft again ? Because my ghettobox reported 2 orphans and 7 generates in the last hour, and it is running @ 250 mhashes (poclbm, but I intend to experiment with cgminer soon)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
Hm, and you're running what soft again ? Because my ghettobox reported 2 orphans and 7 generates in the last hour, and it is running @ 250 mhashes (poclbm, but I intend to experiment with cgminer soon)

CGminer, worked for me until now.
I think 4000 coins with 3Ghash/s isn't bad.
Blocks look correct.
Time looks correct.
Put in the ntp=1 yesterday.
Addnode on your advice, solved the irc connect problem yesterday.
Restarted the portable geist.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 09:24:56 PM
Hm, and you're running what soft again ? Because my ghettobox reported 2 orphans and 7 generates in the last hour, and it is running @ 250 mhashes (poclbm, but I intend to experiment with cgminer soon)

CGminer, worked for me until now.
I think 4000 coins with 3Ghash/s isn't bad.
Blocks look correct.
Time looks correct.
Put in the ntp=1 yesterday.
Addnode on your advice, solved the irc connect problem yesterday.
Restarted the portable geist.

what is your stale rate?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
Hm, and you're running what soft again ? Because my ghettobox reported 2 orphans and 7 generates in the last hour, and it is running @ 250 mhashes (poclbm, but I intend to experiment with cgminer soon)

CGminer, worked for me until now.
I think 4000 coins with 3Ghash/s isn't bad.
Blocks look correct.
Time looks correct.
Put in the ntp=1 yesterday.
Addnode on your advice, solved the irc connect problem yesterday.
Restarted the portable geist.

what is your stale rate?

4 accepted, 400 rejected (restarted client 25 minutes ago).
That's one rig of 3x 5870 (@427Mhash)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 09:28:48 PM
Hm, and you're running what soft again ? Because my ghettobox reported 2 orphans and 7 generates in the last hour, and it is running @ 250 mhashes (poclbm, but I intend to experiment with cgminer soon)

CGminer, worked for me until now.
I think 4000 coins with 3Ghash/s isn't bad.
Blocks look correct.
Time looks correct.
Put in the ntp=1 yesterday.
Addnode on your advice, solved the irc connect problem yesterday.
Restarted the portable geist.

what is your stale rate?

4 accepted, 400 rejected.


If you had that kind of reject rate how did you mine 4000 coins? Sheesh thats like 99% rejects.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:30:18 PM
Hm, and you're running what soft again ? Because my ghettobox reported 2 orphans and 7 generates in the last hour, and it is running @ 250 mhashes (poclbm, but I intend to experiment with cgminer soon)

CGminer, worked for me until now.
I think 4000 coins with 3Ghash/s isn't bad.
Blocks look correct.
Time looks correct.
Put in the ntp=1 yesterday.
Addnode on your advice, solved the irc connect problem yesterday.
Restarted the portable geist.

what is your stale rate?

4 accepted, 400 rejected.


If you had that kind of reject rate how did you mine 4000 coins? Sheesh thats like 99% rejects.

When I used poclbm it gave me 25% stale but no more blocks than with cgmine.
Tested it with 2 rigs, with cgmine and poclbm.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Yes! Fresh coins are coming in again! Now from 4018 to 4039.
Could it be the high hashrates that came in from BitcoinExpress?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 14, 2011, 09:33:21 PM
the high reject rate is because cgminer is ignoring "target" in getwork and just blindly sends every H==0 share. so at diff 100 you'll see a 99% reject rate.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 09:34:11 PM
Just got a generate.

Seems everything's normal.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 14, 2011, 09:35:06 PM
Just got a generate.

Seems everything's normal.

Yeah, got it to.
Almost 45 minutes without coins, thought something was wrong :P


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 14, 2011, 09:35:14 PM
Yes! Fresh coins are coming in again! Now from 4018 to 4039.
Could it be the high hashrates that came in from BitcoinExpress?

network is being pounded. I just saw the highest diff rate of 170 just hit.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 14, 2011, 10:11:04 PM
Quote
Neat. You can expect 500 Geists to arrive a mite later today

Thanks!  :)
Address is in my sig.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: JohnDoe on September 14, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
The only thing I can really claim credit for is the number 1.769

So what is the rationale behind this number?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: the joint on September 14, 2011, 11:18:39 PM
45 Geist Geld coins will (I think) forever be gone.  I had 45 before my computer decided to crash and I reformatted HDD. 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 14, 2011, 11:23:17 PM
45 Geist Geld coins will (I think) forever be gone.  I had 45 before my computer decided to crash and I reformatted HDD. 

45 is not a multiple of 7. I call BS!

just kidding. :p


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 12:12:57 AM
Quote
Neat. You can expect 500 Geists to arrive a mite later today

Thanks!  :)
Address is in my sig.

500 Geists away !


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 15, 2011, 02:56:55 AM
This alt didn't even change the name of anything from bitcoin? Even the addresses are still bitcoin addresses? Redo!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 15, 2011, 02:59:21 AM
This alt didn't even change the name of anything from bitcoin? Even the addresses are still bitcoin addresses? Redo!

That can be done in a future update release. The exploits are the important learning curves we are getting from this.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: caston on September 15, 2011, 03:00:41 AM
the high reject rate is because cgminer is ignoring "target" in getwork and just blindly sends every H==0 share. so at diff 100 you'll see a 99% reject rate.

So many questions. You can PM if you prefer not to take this offtopic but what is H==0?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: AlexNeto on September 15, 2011, 03:05:31 AM
Willing to buy some.. ;)
Pm me.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on September 15, 2011, 04:17:36 AM
the high reject rate is because cgminer is ignoring "target" in getwork and just blindly sends every H==0 share. so at diff 100 you'll see a 99% reject rate.

So many questions. You can PM if you prefer not to take this offtopic but what is H==0?


cgminer sends all shares to the pool or server (whichever you are connected to) - in this case the server i.e. ggd (well that's what I called it after only spending 5 minutes to fix all the crap lazy naming stuff that the fool who set it up didn't bother to do)

I presume "H==0" is ArtForz's way of saying difficulty=1 :P

Cgminer will send it all hashes that are '1' difficulty - i.e. look like 00000000XYZ... where from XYZ... etc can be non-zero or zero.
It does this for the obvious reason - that's what a pool counts in order to pay you - shares, not successful block hashes.
However, since shares are also somewhat rare (on average one every 4Billion hash attempts) it's doesn't cause a problem to do that.
What you are looking for is a single "Accept" - that means you found a block - coz ggd will only Accept hashes that meet the required difficulty.
If you look at the top of the screen look at "A:" to see how many blocks you found (though they can get orphan'd of course)

Now to get the % average Accepts - you simply look at the difficulty (as ArtForz implied)
If the difficulty is 100 then on average only 1 in 100 shares will be successful block hashes - thus on average 99 shares will be rejected and 1 share will be accepted (since it will be a successful block hash at the current difficulty)
(as ArtForz said)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Mousepotato on September 15, 2011, 05:40:20 AM
Am I doing this right?  I copied the bitcoin.conf to \appdata\roaming\geistgeld\ and \appdata\roaming\ (wasn't sure where to copy it so I just put a copy in both directories), ran geistd.exe and then started Phoenix like this:

phoenix.exe -u http://username:password@localhost:8777

But it never connects.  Am I using the wrong port?  I put portsend=7769 into the .conf file too.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 15, 2011, 05:51:57 AM
Am I doing this right?  I copied the bitcoin.conf to \appdata\roaming\geistgeld\ and \appdata\roaming\ (wasn't sure where to copy it so I just put a copy in both directories), ran geistd.exe and then started Phoenix like this:

phoenix.exe -u http://username:password@localhost:8777

But it never connects.  Am I using the wrong port?  I put portsend=7769 into the .conf file too.

I put the conf file into my bitcoin folder in roaming and it worked just fine.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Mousepotato on September 15, 2011, 07:14:09 AM
What's the port I should be using for localhost?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Mousepotato on September 15, 2011, 07:26:27 AM
Damn, I still get:

MSG: Bitcoin is not connected!
Failed to connect, retrying...

This is with Bitcoind.exe running and the .conf file in the \AppData\Roaming\ folder (just downloaded the bundle too). Halpz!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 09:03:51 AM
This alt didn't even change the name of anything from bitcoin? Even the addresses are still bitcoin addresses? Redo!

Geist addresses are different - they start with a g (I just never thought I should list that as a feature or somthing lol )

I might bother to change all the names and textual references  in next release, to make pedantic folks happier.

Damn, I still get:

MSG: Bitcoin is not connected!
Failed to connect, retrying...

This is with Bitcoind.exe running and the .conf file in the \AppData\Roaming\ folder (just downloaded the bundle too). Halpz!

Hm.

Are you on win or on Linux ?

can you post getinfo ?

can you try another miner (so far poclbm is working like a charm and I will experiment with cgminer more today)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 09:51:32 AM
I've been thinking - leaving aside the craziness of 15s blocks (or lack thereof, since so far there seems to be no indication of Terrible Terrible Things :) ), such rapid generation should make the Hypothetical Thin Client for Geist (think along the lines of bitcoinJ) much more resistant to Finney attack ?

After all, Lex Luthor has only 15 seconds (on average, so give or take few) to steal 40 cakes from hypothetical Geist merchant, no ?

Am I being silly ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on September 15, 2011, 12:06:01 PM
cgminer had no trouble - there is a block in there (literally) with my name on it :P


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 12:10:11 PM
I too am running cgminer today, to test stuff and see how it goes (-s 1 -Q 0 --no-longpoll ) and it's doing remarkably well on mere 250 mhashes so far (despite the notably raised diff)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 15, 2011, 02:14:04 PM
I too am running cgminer today, to test stuff and see how it goes (-s 1 -Q 0 --no-longpoll ) and it's doing remarkably well on mere 250 mhashes so far (despite the notably raised diff)

Why are you using scantime 1?
And thanks for the bounty you sent! Its confirmed  :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 02:24:02 PM
I too am running cgminer today, to test stuff and see how it goes (-s 1 -Q 0 --no-longpoll ) and it's doing remarkably well on mere 250 mhashes so far (despite the notably raised diff)

Why are you using scantime 1?

 ArtForz suggested that since local connection doesn't have LP and some other stuff, s1 Q0 should work out neatly.


 seems to be working out really well.

I'm toying around with other values but it -seems- that 1 is working out better in solo mining.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 15, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
I too am running cgminer today, to test stuff and see how it goes (-s 1 -Q 0 --no-longpoll ) and it's doing remarkably well on mere 250 mhashes so far (despite the notably raised diff)

Why are you using scantime 1?

 ArtForz suggested that since local connection doesn't have LP and some other stuff, s1 Q0 should work out neatly.


 seems to be working out really well.

I'm toying around with other values but it -seems- that 1 is working out better in solo mining.

I read somewhere that setting too low scantime can cause the miner to discard work that may still be valid.  Cant seem to find the post stating this. But I think it was somewhere on the cgminer thread. Default of 60 seconds is clearly too much for our fast blocks, but 2 -6 seconds is what i use and it seems to work fine. I change this a little depending on current difficulty. When the difficulty was down to 1 before the restart I had to put scantime 1 to keep up with the speed of the blocks.

Another advice would be to use only one thread/gpu. (-g 1) Default cgminer uses 2 threads. This makes submitting work a little quicker.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 15, 2011, 03:41:47 PM
Hello,

Is there real interest in a blockexplorer-like site for Geist Geld?  Help me decide if I should set it up!     ;D

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9)
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 15, 2011, 04:22:31 PM
Is their any pool to mine?
Also any pool to exchange GG to BTC or any other currency?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 15, 2011, 05:02:45 PM
Lolcust, I think you have to update the gg zips so the NTP=1 flag is used by default. Just in case people miss to change this in the config.
Getinfo says "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!" again.

;Edit
Sorry I read on the OP now that you allready done this.
Still, this error is annoying. 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 05:51:10 PM
Lolcust, I think you have to update the gg zips so the NTP=1 flag is used by default. Just in case people miss to change this in the config.
Getinfo says "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!" again.

Did that yesterday (and checked, and re-checked now yet again)

Everything has proper config.

Basically, there are two explanations
1) you get connected to an ntp server that is full of HATE (which would be strange, given that Geist only yanks  them once an hour, which is verily nice of it)
2) there are a bunch of miners who ignore NTP (don't visit the forum too often) and just blast away, and you happen to occasionally get connected preferentially to them.

Which sort of gives me an idea for yet another thing for the todo list...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 15, 2011, 06:08:03 PM
Lolcust, I think you have to update the gg zips so the NTP=1 flag is used by default. Just in case people miss to change this in the config.
Getinfo says "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!" again.

Did that yesterday (and checked, and re-checked now yet again)

Everything has proper config.

Basically, there are two explanations
1) you get connected to an ntp server that is full of HATE (which would be strange, given that Geist only yanks  them once an hour, which is verily nice of it)
2) there are a bunch of miners who ignore NTP (don't visit the forum too often) and just blast away, and you happen to occasionally get connected preferentially to them.

Which sort of gives me an idea for yet another thing for the todo list...

Any way to check what ntp server I'm connected to?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Isepick on September 15, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
I've been getting the NTP error on my main machine every few hours. Every time I stop GG, resync time with time.nist.gov, and then restart. I really don't think my machine is slipping that far in that short amount of time. I don't necessarily have to resync on the the time, either. I do it just in case tho :P

Running Win 7 x64, btw.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 06:19:18 PM
Lolcust, I think you have to update the gg zips so the NTP=1 flag is used by default. Just in case people miss to change this in the config.
Getinfo says "errors" : "Warning: A majority of peers disagree with NTP time. Something is off here!" again.

Did that yesterday (and checked, and re-checked now yet again)

Everything has proper config.

Basically, there are two explanations
1) you get connected to an ntp server that is full of HATE (which would be strange, given that Geist only yanks  them once an hour, which is verily nice of it)
2) there are a bunch of miners who ignore NTP (don't visit the forum too often) and just blast away, and you happen to occasionally get connected preferentially to them.

Which sort of gives me an idea for yet another thing for the todo list...

Any way to check what ntp server I'm connected to?

Hm, I'll see what can be done.

I've been getting the NTP error on my main machine every few hours. Every time I stop GG, resync time with time.nist.gov, and then restart. I really don't think my machine is slipping that far in that short amount of time. I don't necessarily have to resync on the the time, either. I do it just in case tho :P

Running Win 7 x64, btw.

Resync of system time won't do anything because if NTP=1, then Geist abandons system time and does its best to stick to NTP values.

Geist's NTP neither messes with, nor cares for, your Windows system time.

What I suspect is that there are  5-7 dudes who don't care about updates (Connections ? check. Miner running ? check. Are there accepted blocks? CHECK!)  who never bothered with the ntp thingamabobble (or just don't know about it) and just blast away, and given that currently there are exactly 22 folks mining Geist (which makes the diff of 112 more impressive) the probability of ending in the preferential company of "those people" isn't that low.

Geist needs a way to start nagging and begging for updates when updates come...food for thought...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Isepick on September 15, 2011, 06:31:51 PM
Good to know, thanks. Now I won't worry that I am somehow off on my time. Non-scientifically when this happened yesterday my last 10 transactions listed were all orphaned blocks. After I stopped and restarted GG I started getting 'immature' again. Again, that is anecdotally and I haven't run any significant comparisons to see. I may have to spend a bit of time this evening and try to test this out a bit more.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 15, 2011, 06:42:39 PM
I was doing some thinking and GG is only going to gain value if there is a slew of people trying to mine it at the same time, otherwise there is no demand or competition for it.

Since the supply rate is basically a steady rate we can therefore assume that the more people wanting to mine GG the less each person will get in say a pool mining operation for GG.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
I was doing some thinking and GG is only going to gain value if there is a slew of people trying to mine it at the same time, otherwise there is no demand or competition for it.

Since the supply rate is basically a steady rate we can therefore assume that the more people wanting to mine GG the less each person will get in say a pool mining operation for GG.



Unless I misunderstand you, that seems to hold true for every "cryptocoin". Their value tends to correlate with mining competitiveness (though is not, of course, directly related to it, otherwise BTC would have been, much, much more expensive than even its "bubble peak" price) and the more people want to mine in a pooled setup, the less they receive per block (but the more users a pool gets, the more blocks it has, unless it hits some scalability wall in the way pooling is implemented in a given pool for a given coin, and by far this, and not block propagation or potential for godlike blockchain size, is what most concerns me about Geist's design)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
Is their any pool to mine?
Also any pool to exchange GG to BTC or any other currency?


Not yet, but it is coming.

Both a pool and an exchange.

As I already said, I am greatly interested in how geist behaves with pools (and trying to cobble together a pool-friendlier version) and am looking forward to the official deployment of the pool (and the insights that its successes and failures will hopefully bring)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Isepick on September 15, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
Eleuthria (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9119), the owner of BTC Guild, has ran a few alt coin pools rather successfully. Although SC probably left a bad taste in his mouth. Might want to talk to him and see if he is game.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 15, 2011, 07:47:09 PM
I'm impressed. I thought with such fast blocks there would be more orphans. I'm seeing only 2%. The frequent difficulty adjustments are also great. Miners come and leave and the difficulty adjusts real fast. Someone's got to do a block explorer so we can see how the blocks are coming. We're at 13000 blocks. Exactly when was this chain started?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
Eleuthria (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9119), the owner of BTC Guild, has ran a few alt coin pools rather successfully. Although SC probably left a bad taste in his mouth. Might want to talk to him and see if he is game.

I will as soon as I get the (slightly) pool optimized version   compile

I'm impressed. I thought with such fast blocks there would be more orphans. I'm seeing only 2%. The frequent difficulty adjustments are also great. Miners come and leave and the difficulty adjusts real fast. Someone's got to do a block explorer so we can see how the blocks are coming. We're at 13000 blocks. Exactly when was this chain started?

September 13, 2011, 12:38:49 PM

Also, there was a guy who claimed that at least  as far as network latency is concerned, 2s blocks should be sustainable (and had some calc as proof, though being a graphic designer with a side dish of smuggler, I can't attest to the validity of mathemagic he had there), though I think that it's a mite overkill. 15s/block is actually plenty fast (I've had paypal transfers that linger for a full minute, but that's probably due to all fraud checks)



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
Also, there was a guy who claimed that at least  as far as network latency is concerned, 2s blocks should be sustainable (and had some calc as proof, though being a graphic designer with a side dish of smuggler, I can't attest to the validity of mathemagic he had there), though I think that it's a mite overkill. 15s/block is actually plenty fast (I've had paypal transfers that linger for a full minute, but that's probably due to all fraud checks)

I would agree, we need to see real life data on the effects of extremely short blocks and 15s assuming there becomes no adverse side effects as the network grows sufficiently large will provide a lot of really good data to help determine optimal rates.  I look forward to seeing this as the network grows both to miners and consumers.  Even at 15s it brings transactions much closer to the speed of plastic (assuming people don't get start assuming they need 10000 confirmations to accept a transaction rofl - btw do you have a set minimum transaction count?)

You mean as in "count at which listtransactions displays transaction", or some shenanigan that will remind the user that accepting 0/unconfirmed is a Really Bad Idea?


Also, plastic transactions can not that far from 15 sec boundary, depending on arcane intricacies of a given country's banking system operation and current state of affairs in a given bank's automation (During my visit to Germany I once had to wait in line for whole extra 5 minutes because a guy's credit card was extra-thoughtful)

P.S.:
online plastic is way above 15 seconds if we're not talking about a system when you "pre-bind" a credit card long before actually transacting (ala paypal) and include the hassle of entering all them numberses, CC-somethings and address into relevant field (which we probably should)



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 15, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
September 13, 2011, 12:38:49 PM
56 hrs ago? 13200 blocks in 56 hours is nearly a block every 6 seconds. I thought this was still targetting 15 second blocks.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 08:39:07 PM
September 13, 2011, 12:38:49 PM
56 hrs ago? 13200 blocks in 56 hours is nearly a block every 6 seconds. I thought this was still targetting 15 second blocks.

56*60= 3360 minutes
3360 minutes * 60 = 201600 seconds

201600 seconds / 13191 blocks = 15,2 seconds per block.

We're on schedule, lol ::)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 15, 2011, 08:44:02 PM
56*60= 3360 minutes
3360 minutes * 60 = 201600 seconds

201600 seconds / 13191 blocks = 15,2 seconds per block.

We're on schedule, lol ::)
Ok, that looks much better. That's very good it's sticking so close to projections.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 09:04:45 PM
You mean as in "count at which listtransactions displays transaction", or some shenanigan that will remind the user that accepting 0/unconfirmed is a Really Bad Idea?


Also, plastic transactions can not that far from 15 sec boundary, depending on arcane intricacies of a given country's banking system operation and current state of affairs in a given bank's automation (During my visit to Germany I once had to wait in line for whole extra 5 minutes because a guy's credit card was extra-thoughtful)

P.S.:
online plastic is way above 15 seconds if we're not talking about a system when you "pre-bind" a credit card long before actually transacting (ala paypal) and include the hassle of entering all them numberses, CC-somethings and address into relevant field (which we probably should)

1) Yes

2 and 3)  But there should be a minimum transaction count no?  at 10 it's a nice ~2 mins and within the speed of plastic, if merchants need 100 transactions because of the rediculous unfounded notion that it's all about time and not network dispersion then your back up at 25 mins which would be slower than the speed of plastic.

I think I don't "get" the question. The daemon will, of course, display transactions starting from 0 and up :)

If what you are asking is "does Geist's security differ from Bitcoin's in terms of validation count required to consider a transaction set in the motherlovin' stone", then actually that is an interesting question to investigate, but I see no reason why math that holds for 10 min blocks won't hold for 15 sec blocks (yes, blocks are "easier" - but the time window in which you have to feed them to the victim is very much narrower, and due to the NTP thing and the narrowed down accept window, the ability to get coy with block time data is    limited too, so it should even out)

So far, I see no reason to consider a confirmation in Geist any different in terms of reliability from a confirmation in any network.

Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6

What I am more interested is how a narrowed-down time window affects the Finney attack (the famous one with just one confirm).
In an idealized setting, it probably should not affect it, because smaller attack time window is evened out by a "simpler" block, but methinks in a practical way it should be different because the border of Finney's attack time window is now much, much  closer to the moment where a "real life" merchant is likely to start delivering digital goods (IRL downloadable goods aren't delivered "instantly" as well)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 15, 2011, 11:00:18 PM
Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6
You need to run your Geist Gold proxied through Tor to understand why you are wrong. Satoshi was probably over-conservative. You are certainly over-optimistic.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6
You need to run your Geist Gold proxied through Tor to understand why you are wrong. Satoshi was probably over-conservative. You are certainly over-optimistic.

It's entirely possible that I am overly optimistic, but I believe it would be most wonderful if one was to provide a somewhat  more elaborate explanation as to why so and which values would be reasonable to consider secure (a somewhat more elaborate argument is especially welcome in cases where certainty is claimed)

P.S.:
Geist isn't yet  popular enough for some tor dude to try to do a POSR against a Geist transaction even assuming such opportunity exists  :D so that would be a particularly poor way to determine transaction safety

P.P.S.:
As a matter of fact, the Geist miner on my ghettobox is connected through TOR, and it is from there that I have sent some geists to folks. To the best of my knowledge, not a single unit went AWOL (though as I said above, that hardly demonstrates anything except "this particular transaction worked out, lol" )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 15, 2011, 11:22:11 PM
Looks like at current block rate and diff there is betwen 40 and 60 GH/s on GG network.

At somepoint more GH/s I would think would not create faster blocks because of collisions in hash solving times that produce stales.

Any input?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 15, 2011, 11:24:19 PM
As a matter of fact, the Geist miner on my ghettobox is connected through TOR, and it is from there that I have sent some geists to folks. To the best of my knowledge, not a single unit went AWOL (though as I said above, that hardly demonstrates anything except "this particular transaction worked out, lol" )
Basically, the standard deviation of time-delay over Tor (or probably any other anonymity network, eg. I2P) is too close to the deviation limits in your protocol. You will probably experience this once you gather more information to gather meaningful statistics.

It isn't really affecting the security of the protocol, you are right about this. It is affecting the useability of the client, especially its ability to startup and resynchronize after period of time online.

I'm thinking that you just got lucky (low variance) with Tor recently. Have you tried, eg. browsing this forum through Tor?

Edited to add: Oh I'm sorry I forgot to mention: the true test of Tor is connecting to a hidden service "*.onion". The ususal connection to the clearweb only tests less than half of the privacy stack. The complete variance is "from you to a rendezvous-point"+"rendezvous-point name resolution"+"from rendezvous-point to the counterparty". I keep forgetting about this.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 11:46:29 PM
As a matter of fact, the Geist miner on my ghettobox is connected through TOR, and it is from there that I have sent some geists to folks. To the best of my knowledge, not a single unit went AWOL (though as I said above, that hardly demonstrates anything except "this particular transaction worked out, lol" )
Basically, the standard deviation of time-delay over Tor (or probably any other anonymity network, eg. I2P) is too close to the deviation limits in your protocol. You will probably experience this once you gather more information to gather meaningful statistics.
 .

Hm, so, to put it in terms a guy who draws pictures for a living  has easier time with, I will get block propagation issues in the form of my freshly mined blocks   falling too much behind and ending up outside the 10 second window, thus getting rejected by network ?  

I guess that could be easily tested by having one of the multi-gigahash dudes trying to mine through TOR and mining for 10 mins, then through I2P's cancerous outproxy and mine for 10 mins, then directly and again 10 mins. We could compare the number of blocks accepted by the net and see if TOR or I2P result in notable loss.

It isn't really affecting the security of the protocol, you are right about this. It is affecting the useability of the client, especially its ability to startup and resynchronize after period of time online.

Ah, sorry then. I sort of assumed you were referring to my post about validations when you said I'm overly optimistic (primarily because you quoted it :D )

Yes, downloading all them blocks through tor won't be pretty, but it's not like this isn't a problem Bitcoin will inevitably face    (so we might as well try out various solutions on Geist which will face it earlier). For one, unless you intend to mine or feel like being a Coin Historian, there is little practical need for getting the entire goddamned huge chain (there is a "lean" client for Bitcoin already and I think that there might be ways to make it even somewhat leaner)

I'm thinking that you just got lucky (low variance) with Tor recently. Have you tried, eg. browsing this forum through Tor?.

I am, like right now.

I am from Belarus.

TOR is not nice but hey, you see my response right ? So mission accomplished *bush pic*
 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 15, 2011, 11:58:11 PM
Looks like at current block rate and diff there is betwen 40 and 60 GH/s on GG network.

At somepoint more GH/s I would think would not create faster blocks because of collisions in hash solving times that produce stales.

Any input?

Are we talking stales as in Stale Shares, which implies a pool, or are we talking stales in the general sense of PoW submitted too late, which I think in case of "blocks" is usually called orphans ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 12:06:14 AM
Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6
You need to run your Geist Gold proxied through Tor to understand why you are wrong. Satoshi was probably over-conservative. You are certainly over-optimistic.

Lolcust, I think you are overly optimistic about this. 6 geist confirmations is definitely not enough to be secure. A common misconception about bitcoin is that the number of confirmations determines how safe your transaction is from a double spend attack. In reality it's how much time since your transaction that determines how safe it is. This is because the amount of time determines how likely an attack will succeed.

For example, if an attacker has 33% of the network hashrate, he has to be twice as lucky than the other miners in order to create more blocks than everyone else. It's much more likely to be twice as lucky for a period of 90 seconds (6 geist confirmations) than it is for a full 1 hour (6 bitcoin confirmations).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 16, 2011, 12:10:57 AM
I guess that could be easily tested by having one of the multi-gigahash dudes trying to mine through TOR and mining for 10 mins, then through I2P's cancerous outproxy and mine for 10 mins, then directly and again 10 mins. We could compare the number of blocks accepted by the net and see if TOR or I2P result in notable loss.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear first time around. I edited my post too late.

The real test of your future coin laundry will involve setting up a Tor's hidden service. The connections "Tor<->clearnet" only test less than half of the Tor's privacy stack. To get a real statistics you'll have to setup your ghetto box behind a hidden service to connect "Tor<->Tor". Only then it will you test the full Tor stack: "hidden service directory resolution" + "connection from you to rendezvous-point" + "rendezvous-point delay" + "from rendezvoud-point to the hidden server".

If you regularly use Tor then please look up Hidden Wiki for the hidden bootstrap nodes for the original Bitcoin and try to resync the normal "bitcoind" through them after a weekend offline. Then you could try the same feat with your variant.

People frequently complain about 10 minute block interval of the original Bitcoin as way too slow. It is slow, but it reliably bootstraps through Tor. With your 15 second block intervals the bootstrap will be realy a feat of networking.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 16, 2011, 12:15:51 AM
TOR is not nice but hey, you see my response right ? So mission accomplished *bush pic*
Well, Theymos and bitcointalk.org crew aren't really hiding. Your coin laundry will have to run hidden.

Yeah, I keep forgetting than when I talk about Tor I should be clear about the full privacy: both for a client and for a server.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: doublec on September 16, 2011, 12:33:04 AM
Lolcust, I think you are overly optimistic about this. 6 geist confirmations is definitely not enough to be secure.
I'm inclined to agree. The bitparking I0Coin exchange stopped accepting blocks last night when it detected a chain reorg going back 10 blocks, past the 10 confirmations required for a deposit. So even with 90 second blocks, 10 wasn't enough. That chain only has half the hash rate of GG though.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 12:40:03 AM
Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6
You need to run your Geist Gold proxied through Tor to understand why you are wrong. Satoshi was probably over-conservative. You are certainly over-optimistic.

Lolcust, I think you are overly optimistic about this. 6 geist confirmations is definitely not enough to be secure. A common misconception about bitcoin is that the number of confirmations determines how safe your transaction is from a double spend attack. In reality it's how much time since your transaction that determines how safe it is. This is because the amount of time determines how likely an attack will succeed.

For example, if an attacker has 33% of the network hashrate, he has to be twice as lucky than the other miners in order to create more blocks than everyone else. It's much more likely to be twice as lucky for a period of 90 seconds (6 geist confirmations) than it is for a full 1 hour (6 bitcoin confirmations).

Um, I am no actuarian coblee, but it seems to me that the original bitcoin paper does not state that probability of attacker success is a function of time.

Instead, it says that "Given our assumption that p > q, the probability drops exponentially as the number of blocks the attacker has to catch up with increases"

Again, I might be missing an elephant in the room of theses arcane mathematications, but it appears that probability of attacker's success is claimed to drop off with the number of blocks, not the time spent making them, which would mean that "6 valid blocks" are still "6 valid blocks".
Thus, 1 is neat, 2 is secure, 3 is verily secure, everything above 3 even more secure to the point of paranoia at 6 and "you should probably buy something on Silk Road" at above 6
You need to run your Geist Gold proxied through Tor to understand why you are wrong. Satoshi was probably over-conservative. You are certainly over-optimistic.

Lolcust, I think you are overly optimistic about this. 6 geist confirmations is definitely not enough to be secure. A common misconception about bitcoin is that the number of confirmations determines how safe your transaction is from a double spend attack. In reality it's how much time since your transaction that determines how safe it is. This is because the amount of time determines how likely an attack will succeed.

For example, if an attacker has 33% of the network hashrate, he has to be twice as lucky than the other miners in order to create more blocks than everyone else. It's much more likely to be twice as lucky for a period of 90 seconds (6 geist confirmations) than it is for a full 1 hour (6 bitcoin confirmations).

Um, I am no actuarian coblee, but it seems to me that the original bitcoin paper does not state that probability of attacker success is a function of time.

Instead, it says that "Given our assumption that p > q, the probability drops exponentially as the number of blocks the attacker has to catch up with increases"

Again, I might be missing an elephant in the room of these arcane mathematications, but it appears that probability of attacker's success is claimed to drop off with the number of blocks, not the time spent making them, which would mean that "6 valid blocks in a net running at block per 15 secs" are as hard to overpower as  "6 valid blocks in a net running at 1 block per 10 minutes" (assuming hashrate distributions for attacker and good guys match in both of them, of course).

I guess that could be easily tested by having one of the multi-gigahash dudes trying to mine through TOR and mining for 10 mins, then through I2P's cancerous outproxy and mine for 10 mins, then directly and again 10 mins. We could compare the number of blocks accepted by the net and see if TOR or I2P result in notable loss.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear first time around. I edited my post too late.

The real test of your future coin laundry will involve setting up a Tor's hidden service. The connections "Tor<->clearnet" only test less than half of the Tor's privacy stack. To get a real statistics you'll have to setup your ghetto box behind a hidden service to connect "Tor<->Tor". Only then it will you test the full Tor stack: "hidden service directory resolution" + "connection from you to rendezvous-point" + "rendezvous-point delay" + "from rendezvoud-point to the hidden server".

If you regularly use Tor then please look up Hidden Wiki for the hidden bootstrap nodes for the original Bitcoin and try to resync the normal "bitcoind" through them after a weekend offline. Then you could try the same feat with your variant.

People frequently complain about 10 minute block interval of the original Bitcoin as way too slow. It is slow, but it reliably bootstraps through Tor. With your 15 second block intervals the bootstrap will be realy a feat of networking.

Hm, so basically, it will always lag behind the chain because full hidden server is so damn slow. Quite plausible a problem (I guess Bitcoin would always lag behind on, I dunno, GPRS then).

But as long as Geist can stand its ground on "vanilla nets", that strikes me as a fairly remote problem that might be solved by clever lean client design (whether it really can is another matter)

TOR is not nice but hey, you see my response right ? So mission accomplished *bush pic*
Well, Theymos and bitcointalk.org crew aren't really hiding. Your coin laundry will have to run hidden.


Hm, well, one might hypothetically try to have the laundry proper run "lean" and only have the "consumer-facing front" and associated proxy wallets to run G propper.... Hm. Not a bad idea it seems, I'll run it by a certain someone later...

Lolcust, I think you are overly optimistic about this. 6 geist confirmations is definitely not enough to be secure.
I'm inclined to agree. The bitparking I0Coin exchange stopped accepting blocks last night when it detected a chain reorg going back 10 blocks, past the 10 confirmations required for a deposit. So even with 90 second blocks, 10 wasn't enough. That chain only has half the hash rate of GG though.

Again, I might be failing to note an elephant here, but it seems quite explicitly stated in the Satoshi paper that attack success probability drops off with number of blocks, not time spent making them.

As for poor little i0, for the love of everything good, there are currently merely 29.811 Ghashes on i0coin.

If all people mining Geist right now conspired to overrun i0coin, it is not entirely unlikely that we could   do it (not intended to actually incite anyone towards harming the poor little coin)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 12:53:36 AM
Um, I am no actuarian coblee, but it seems to me that the original bitcoin paper does not state that probability of attacker success is a function of time.

Instead, it says that "Given our assumption that p > q, the probability drops exponentially as the number of blocks the attacker has to catch up with increases"

Again, I might be missing an elephant in the room of these arcane mathematications, but it appears that probability of attacker's success is claimed to drop off with the number of blocks, not the time spent making them, which would mean that "6 valid blocks in a net running at block per 15 secs" are as hard to overpower as  "6 valid blocks in a net running at 1 block per 10 minutes" (assuming hashrate distributions for attacker and good guys match in both of them, of course).

Yes, the the original paper does say that, and it's true. 6 GG confirms is much more secure than 5 GG confirms, which is much more secure than 4 GG confirms. But the paper doesn't say anything about comparing the security between 10 min blocks and 15 sec blocks. Given the same block times, each additional confirmations makes the probability of successful attack drop off exponentially. But if you try to compare the 2 chains, 1 BTC confirmation is as secure as 40 GG confirmations.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 16, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
Um, I am no actuarian coblee, but it seems to me that the original bitcoin paper does not state that probability of attacker success is a function of time.
The paper is considering the probility of successfully completing a single attack. Roughly:

6 bitcoin confirmations = 60 minutes
6 gg confirmations = 1.5 minutes

On the gg chain, you can perform 40 times as many attempted attacks in the same time period. So even if the odds for a single attack are the same, you get 40 times as many attempts, so clearly time does effect the security.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 01:22:25 AM
Um, I am no actuarian coblee, but it seems to me that the original bitcoin paper does not state that probability of attacker success is a function of time.

Instead, it says that "Given our assumption that p > q, the probability drops exponentially as the number of blocks the attacker has to catch up with increases"

Again, I might be missing an elephant in the room of these arcane mathematications, but it appears that probability of attacker's success is claimed to drop off with the number of blocks, not the time spent making them, which would mean that "6 valid blocks in a net running at block per 15 secs" are as hard to overpower as  "6 valid blocks in a net running at 1 block per 10 minutes" (assuming hashrate distributions for attacker and good guys match in both of them, of course).

Yes, the the original paper does say that, and it's true. 6 GG confirms is much more secure than 5 GG confirms, which is much more secure than 4 GG confirms. But the paper doesn't say anything about comparing the security between 10 min blocks and 15 sec blocks. Given the same block times, each additional confirmations makes the probability of successful attack drop off exponentially. But if you try to compare the 2 chains, 1 BTC confirmation is as secure as 40 GG confirmations.



Hm,  at this point I think additional expert opinion is worth inviting, since is seems to me that time can not directly factor into the gambler's ruin like that.
It is entirely a function of block confirmations, but there is an element of time dealing with split chains.  I would theorize that with increased split chains due to smaller block times (I suspect that happens in GG as well), and the increased likelihood that they can grow longer than in the slower alternate coins such as bitcoin.  You have to account for block confirmations and a little bit of a time element (enough blocks to cover the majority of the lengths of typical chain splits) .... so while you might incur more risk with 6 that BTC you don't have to get obscene and force enough blocks to cover an hour....  I would guess 10 or up to 15 should suffice but that is just a semi-educated guess.

Hm, so basically the issue is that the split chains might get longer... but doesn't the BTC algo define "canonicity" in terms of which has most work, and not most "block count" ?

BTW, studying Geist's (hypothetical?) propensity for growing "longer" side-chains is an interesting prospect in itself...

P.S.:
Started a thread in technical about comparing security of a single validation in different alt chains.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 16, 2011, 01:36:08 AM
Hm, so basically, it will always lag behind the chain because full hidden server is so damn slow. Quite plausible a problem (I guess Bitcoin would always lag behind on, I dunno, GPRS then).
Yeah, something like that. But I always try to stress that it isn't the lag that kills the network protocols, it is the variance of the lag that's deadly. Find a way to buffer the variance and you'll win. I would bet that you could operate your little laundry on a asteroid with a predictable orbit with no problems, but trying to do this over the network with high variance will be extremely difficult.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 2112 on September 16, 2011, 03:07:58 AM
Hm,  at this point I think additional expert opinion is worth inviting, since is seems to me that time can not directly factor into the gambler's ruin like that.
I'm not an expert, but I used to eat lunches with some experts. Here's the main difference between Satoshi's approach and yours:

Satoshi made an assumption of type "assume a spherical cow in a vacuum", or in his case "assume that the interblock period is long enough to consider the underlying network observable." In other words he can neglect the inter-node transmission time and consider the time to be a discrete interblock periods.

You made an assumption of type "assume a fat cow on a muddy field", or in your case "assume that the interblock period is as short as a decent computer can squeeze them through a decent home-style Internet pipe." In other words you cannot neglect network observability, your inter-node transmission time is on the same order as a TCP/IP timeout and a BGP route flap. Thus the time in your security model cannot be discretized to just interblock period. You have to consider other cases, eg. your node is getting flapped between two competing versions of the block-chain that are producing blocks on the even/odd half-periods.

Now, from reading your previous posts I can tell that you posses both skill and attitude to solve this type of problems. Perhaps Geist Gold requires a "block-chain flap dampening patch" the same way as BGP protocol required "route flap dampening"?

Anyway, the true expert would answer: "Do you want me to write a research grant proposal?"


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 08:26:09 AM
Hm, so basically the issue is that the split chains might get longer... but doesn't the BTC algo define "canonicity" in terms of which has most work, and not most "block count" ?

*Not an expert here*  But how I understood it was that splits are just as valid up until they either are overtaken by the "main" or overtake the "main" and become the main line, it doesn't necessarily mean they did anything bad but it is a mild competition for longest chain.... thusly if you hypothetically are getting length 10 splits you have to additionally ensure that your minimum transactions have to take that into account just in case one of the splits really is rogue.

As far as I understand, the splits are managed (and the "boss" chain is selected) based upon how much work went into a chain, with the most "laborious" chain "winning" and overtaking the other.

Hm,  at this point I think additional expert opinion is worth inviting, since is seems to me that time can not directly factor into the gambler's ruin like that.
I'm not an expert, but I used to eat lunches with some experts. Here's the main difference between Satoshi's approach and yours:

Satoshi made an assumption of type "assume a spherical cow in a vacuum", or in his case "assume that the interblock period is long enough to consider the underlying network observable." In other words he can neglect the inter-node transmission time and consider the time to be a discrete interblock periods.

You made an assumption of type "assume a fat cow on a muddy field", or in your case "assume that the interblock period is as short as a decent computer can squeeze them through a decent home-style Internet pipe." In other words you cannot neglect network observability, your inter-node transmission time is on the same order as a TCP/IP timeout and a BGP route flap. Thus the time in your security model cannot be discretized to just interblock period. You have to consider other cases, eg. your node is getting flapped between two competing versions of the block-chain that are producing blocks on the even/odd half-periods.

Now, from reading your previous posts I can tell that you posses both skill and attitude to solve this type of problems. Perhaps Geist Gold requires a "block-chain flap dampening patch" the same way as BGP protocol required "route flap dampening"?

Anyway, the true expert would answer: "Do you want me to write a research grant proposal?"

Well, the issue under discussion was somewhat different, but I find your post fascinating.

However, first and foremost my initial assumption was "hey, wouldn't it be nice to make a chain with really, really fast blocks and see if it dies screaming" (which it so far did not, and is taking it like a trooper so far  :D). Now that this is out of the way, I find the issue of low-level protocol effects on Geist fascinating (though somewhat saddening because it's quite above my ability to investigate without significant outside help)

I am, however, somewhat perplexed by the idea that BGP flaps can be smooth and regular enough to repeatedly oscilate poor   Geist between two versions of the chain...

As far as I understand, BGP flap is basically a route dying and un-dying fairly rapidly due to something cute happening in a given ISP's network, which suggests that normally they should be fairly irregular and territorially contained... but the issue is absolutely worth looking into, since it makes Geist a fascinating subject of study irrespective of various "plainly pragmatic" considerations.

I'd give you a research grant but I can only pay an impressive sum either in Belorussian Roubles or in Geists, and I'm reasonably certain that Geist is a more viable form of "sorta-money" (not intended as a claim of monetary viability of Geist Geld ;) )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 3phase on September 16, 2011, 11:44:14 AM

As far as I understand, BGP flap is basically a route dying and un-dying fairly rapidly due to something cute happening in a given ISP's network, which suggests that normally they should be fairly irregular and territorially contained... but the issue is absolutely worth looking into, since it makes Geist a fascinating subject of study irrespective of various "plainly pragmatic" considerations.


I might be wrong, but I think 2112 was trying to point out the inevitable situation of a transaction transmitted over to a network, and getting lost or terribly delayed (even with the very fast Geist blocks) because there is a high enough probability that it never manages to be included in a block which is not orphaned later. This probability will be amplified as more nodes and miners join the network. It might still be OK now with less than 100 nodes active (assumption, again I might be wrong about this number).

This issue can be caused by BGP route flaps, TCP timeouts, torrent software overloading your line, bad cabling, local Ethernet switch flap or any other issue that can impair a user's connection to the network (the Geist network that is) for 10-30 seconds. These events would be a non-issue with a slower chain and definitely a non-issue with most Internet services (except Real time video/audio conferencing which cannot afford more than 1sec delay).

The number of things that can go wrong, most of them beyond the users' powers is also why few would be willing to go to the trouble to solve these issues (even if they could, as in the example of LAN issues). They would probably first give up on trying to use Geist as a transaction medium.

As far as I have read about Geist, it brings many innovative features, but in my view the fast blocks collide (pun intended) with the innovations.

Still watching to see how this goes.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 12:15:40 PM

As far as I understand, BGP flap is basically a route dying and un-dying fairly rapidly due to something cute happening in a given ISP's network, which suggests that normally they should be fairly irregular and territorially contained... but the issue is absolutely worth looking into, since it makes Geist a fascinating subject of study irrespective of various "plainly pragmatic" considerations.


I might be wrong, but I think 2112 was trying to point out the inevitable situation of a transaction transmitted over to a network, and getting lost or terribly delayed (even with the very fast Geist blocks) because there is a high enough probability that it never manages to be included in a block which is not orphaned later. This probability will be amplified as more nodes and miners join the network. It might still be OK now with less than 100 nodes active (assumption, again I might be wrong about this number).

This issue can be caused by BGP route flaps, TCP timeouts, torrent software overloading your line, bad cabling, local Ethernet switch flap or any other issue that can impair a user's connection to the network (the Geist network that is) for 10-30 seconds. These events would be a non-issue with a slower chain and definitely a non-issue with most Internet services (except Real time video/audio conferencing which cannot afford more than 1sec delay).

Well, geist obviously is more network-sensitive and there obviously is a blockrate/decentralization tradeoff at work (I think I said that in post one), and point of Geist experiment is, in part, to see exactly how this tradeoff works out on a "live" network that experiences all the live influences.

Geist, however, is quite ready to trade decentralization for blockrates (up to a point of course ;)), which I also stated in my first post, and what concerns me most is that network effects that impede Geist decentralization will also impede pool operation, thus also impeding the partial centralization and thus making further increase in Geist hashrate problematic at best.

They would probably first give up on trying to use Geist as a transaction medium.

Well, "thin" clients don't download the blockchain proper anyways, so theoretically nothing keeps people from sending their tx to all the well-known "big miner" geist nodes first, then the "plebes", thus maximizing the likelihood of those ending up in a block quite soon, or some other, smarter optimization of the way the net handles transactions (I'm not quite smart enough to come up with those by myself, admittedly ;) ).

Bitcoin will need many of those optimizations too if it grows "huge enough", and this is why it might be worthwhile for the community to play around with Geist, IMHO.

In the end, yes, it is quite possible that "audaciously fast blocks" will cause either insurmountable scaling issues or problems of sustaining a good enough connection to force your tx in even if some optimizations in transaction transmission by "lean" clients are in place.

The point of Geist is 1) try to find that out in a "live" setting 2) try to seek amendments to overcome those issues 3) see if some of those optimizations are also worth implementing in Bitcoin
As far as I have read about Geist, it brings many innovative features, but in my view the fast blocks collide (pun intended) with the innovations.

If worst comes to worst, there's nothing in the nature of Geist that would prevent gearing down the blockrate while adjusting the subsidy and retarget to leave economics intact (or maybe even give folks some temporal single-issue of pseudo deflation if they shall so demand, though I refuse on general principle to set a hard upper limit on number of Geists in existence. "Coin regeneration" FTW ;) ), however such course of events will be a huge blow to Geist's stance and appeal, even despite all the knowledge gained when assessing the causes which could lead to such an unfortunate and radical solution.

Still watching to see how this goes.

Interesting things will happen when pools will start to get deployed.

P.S.:

http://i.imgur.com/0SSTN.png

I am a bit iffy on the deeper intricacies of the "how does pool form" theory, so,  how many pool nodes connected to the bicoin network (as opposed to miners connected to pool, which as far as I understand have no particular reason to even be aware of the blockchain since they only deal with the pool's share anyways) does on average each of the "big fishes" of pool business represent ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 3phase on September 16, 2011, 12:37:18 PM

I am a bit iffy on the deeper intricacies of the "how does pool form" theory, so,  how many pool nodes connected to the bicoin network (as opposed to miners connected to pool, which as far as I understand have no particular reason to even be aware of the blockchain since they only deal with the pool's share anyways) does on average each of the "big fishes" of pool business represent ?

Don't really know unless you ask a pool operator willing to disclose that information (difficult) but an example which I think is maybe overdone (except if we're talking VPS machines):

Code:
[localbox1.localdomain ]# nslookup btcguild.com

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.28
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.29
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.30
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.50
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.51
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.52
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.53
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.54
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.26
Name:   btcguild.com
Address: 78.46.186.27

10 servers - 10 coin nodes for a big one. Bigger pools probably also use load balancers and/or bigger servers.

On another note I applaud your efforts, and it must be said that they have already brought results.

Cheers.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 05:39:40 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 05:47:18 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.

Interesting. I wonder how things will play out as we start hitting 100, 200, 300 GH.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 05:54:52 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.

If you (or anyone else) ever find another "bizzaro streak of blocks", please do a getinfo and see if you have connections, and if so, how many. Because if you have like 6-8 connections and get such a streak, then likely something more that just "connection loss" is afoot.

Having said that, if network issues start causing orphaning of large ammount of blocks, that could be detected when studying the blockchain. According to ArtForz, so far there is no indication that the amount of orphans "on whole" is higher that normal.

P.S.:
coblee, could you PM me the timestamps and txid  on those orphans (should be in listtransactions) ?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.

If you (or anyone else) ever find another "bizzaro streak of blocks", please do a getinfo and see if you have connections, and if so, how many. Because if you have like 6-8 connections and get such a streak, then likely something more that just "connection loss" is afoot.

Having said that, if network issues start causing orphaning of large ammount of blocks, that could be detected when studying the blockchain. According to ArtForz, so far there is no indication that the amount of orphans "on whole" is higher that normal.

P.S.:
coblee, could you PM me the timestamps and txid  on those orphans (should be in listtransactions) ?



I did check. I have 8 connections. Since the blocks were consecutive, it makes me thing I was isolated somehow. I will PM you with timestamps and txids.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 16, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.
Interesting. I wonder how things will play out as we start hitting 100, 200, 300 GH.
Won't matter if we have 100 TH. After a few quick blocks, difficulty will adjust, and we'll be right back to 15 second blocks.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 16, 2011, 06:51:55 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.
Interesting. I wonder how things will play out as we start hitting 100, 200, 300 GH.
Won't matter if we have 100 TH. After a few quick blocks, difficulty will adjust, and we'll be right back to 15 second blocks.

As I suspected there is a threshold in which where you add more GH you don't produce any more blocks than with less GH. I'm curious what that number is.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 06:54:14 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.
Interesting. I wonder how things will play out as we start hitting 100, 200, 300 GH.
Won't matter if we have 100 TH. After a few quick blocks, difficulty will adjust, and we'll be right back to 15 second blocks.

Well it's more about the number of nodes than the network hashrate. With a lot of nodes, block information will have to be sent to all the nodes. So there will be a lot of data sent around. Nodes that are unaware of the latest block, will be splitting the chain. So there will be a lot of collision and chains merging. Will be interesting to see if the network can handle it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 06:59:00 PM
I've been mining with 6 ghash and just now I saw that I found 5 blocks in a row. Immediately, I realized something is not right. I can't be that lucky. After a few minutes, I saw that these 5 blocks all got orphaned. I assumed that due to network issues, I was disconnected enough to build up my own block chain, which got wiped out when I reconnected.

Unfortunately, I think these problems will get worse as the network grows.
Interesting. I wonder how things will play out as we start hitting 100, 200, 300 GH.
Won't matter if we have 100 TH. After a few quick blocks, difficulty will adjust, and we'll be right back to 15 second blocks.

Well it's more about the number of nodes than the network hashrate. With a lot of nodes, block information will have to be sent to all the nodes. So there will be a lot of data sent around. Nodes that are unaware of the latest block, will be splitting the chain. So there will be a lot of collision and chains merging. Will be interesting to see if the network can handle it.

Well, that's exactly why I brought up the issue of "how many nodes per a Big Pool" (I PMed Tycho of the deepbit fame, btw)

seems to me that Nodes That Matter in modern bitcoin are, quite frankly, a handful, and the rest could just send them tx "the lean way" and keep the blockchain just for the purpose of feeling themselves like Ye Olde Coin Archiviste.

As for those blocks, there was always in excess two minutes between them (intervals irregular, in one case in excess of 7 minutes), so it does not appear to be exactly a block streak.

That does not disprove the hypothesis that coblee and his peers got sequestered into a "low-diff" fork, but there are other explanations too, like some less than kind person mining on-and off, rushing in at minimum diff, mining till it adjusts, stopping to let it drop (usually missing the norm and going a mite below), then mining again, rinse-repeat.

P.S.:
Someone should write a goddaymn visual block explorer that would allow to visualize orphans and such in relation to main chain  In 3-D ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 16, 2011, 07:23:49 PM
I think the biggest problem will be people with 8 connections. Meaning, they don't have ports open, so are really quite poorly connected to the network. These people will get orphaned more often than everyone else. Make your blocks count. Open incoming connections.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 16, 2011, 07:29:16 PM
It may be a minute between blocks, but because I was building on my own split chain, each block was built on top of the previous one I found. So it looked like this:

Code:
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 7.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 4,
        "txid" : "8132ac21f1b656809d7859bca7190487635d4b74d217759ff9c64219b16388f0",
        "time" : 1316192750
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 7.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 3,
        "txid" : "610036b858586763662ea96b1d12c0c6a005184842f2dca7d6a0d47502ef2e79",
        "time" : 1316192941
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 7.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 2,
        "txid" : "aa8e1379cb807ae660e4034cb24bcd24e5bb2a897405113c0275d9565b22ed77",
        "time" : 1316193097
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 7.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 1,
        "txid" : "9973f663ab4de4d0548b9b66f03b8e5fb9d75cecd2bb1ce9b03373b6e1da0229",
        "time" : 1316193530
    },

And then after a few minutes, they all got orphaned.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 07:51:31 PM
Well, in a connection sac of some kind, the interval of the blocks you're building with your pals (or with yourself, if you got really isolated totally "alone" and still continued mining somehow) should probably drop, not rise, since you start at higher (native net) difficulty and then adjust lower (which Geld does in less than a minute).

Anyways, very interesting blocks. Maybe we should invite theymos ? I heard he likes blockchains.

P.S.:
Oh, and miners on Geist definitely should open incommings and increase maxconnections=

Having more than 125 can hardly hurt if increased within reason.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: theymos on September 16, 2011, 11:11:45 PM
Yeah, I'd guess isolation. Unless the network really did produce no other blocks in that timespan.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Isepick on September 16, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
Port 7769, right? Still can't seem to get more than 8 connections.  :-[


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 16, 2011, 11:25:32 PM
Yeah, I'd guess isolation. Unless the network really did produce no other blocks in that timespan.

Thanks for the input, Theymos.

Well, that's somewhat unnerving. Let's see if such incidents become more common and if anything can be learned from it.

Port 7769, right? Still can't seem to get more than 8 connections.  :-[

Hm, that's odd.

What's the platform and did you try disabling unpnp in the config ?

Can you check your firewall logs or just get what's running (I think it provides connection info...)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Isepick on September 17, 2011, 03:08:49 AM


Hm, that's odd.

What's the platform and did you try disabling unpnp in the config ?

Can you check your firewall logs or just get what's running (I think it provides connection info...)

Disabled upnp. Logs showing dd-wrt being flaky. Instead of forwarding to port 7769, the router forwards to some random port instead. Which is really strange since I have uTorrent running fine on another box with its port forwarded the way it should be. Perhaps if I am feeling brave sometime I will update my version of dd-wrt to see if that fixes it.

Looking at my logs further shows it doing the same for all incoming connections on 8333 as well (which I also have forwarded). Its a wonder I can connect to any network and mine at all ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 17, 2011, 03:56:04 AM
As u can see in the picture, the copy option is greyed out. So their is no way to copy & paste the address. I manually wrote the address now.
Besides, after i give exit, GG closes, but windows gives error message that the software closed unexpectedly & want to check solution.
I am using the new version released on 13 sep 2011 GeistGeld_New.zip.

I extracted to a folder & run GeistGeld_portable_cons.exe & It starts downloading blocks & it works fine that way.
getinfo now gave the following result.
version:32400
balance:0.00000
blocks:20523
connection:11
difficulty:104.3888
....


I tried to mine myself using the built in guiminer. But it only opens the roaming\poclbm\poclbm.ini file & uses that config to mine.
& if i try to mine with local host, i get

Code:
2011-09-17 09:23:24: Listener for "GG": 17/09/2011 09:23:24, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC 1 2
2011-09-17 09:23:27: Listener for "GG": 17/09/2011 09:23:27, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC 2 2
2011-09-17 09:23:30: Listener for "GG": 17/09/2011 09:23:30, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC 3 2

How to mine solo?
And also if some one can send me one or two GG, so that i too see my balance increase.
Below is the address i manually typed from the picture as copy paste not working.
Please double check before sending GG.

gJ9G2BCrxeSguNsck9Toy9tKtiyFT5Wwhv

Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit.


http://i52.tinypic.com/903lp1.jpg


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on September 17, 2011, 05:30:20 AM
probably need to add 'server=1" to the config file ... (and server config settings also if not in there)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 17, 2011, 08:44:26 AM
Hm, the RPC error is quite bizzare - I successfully connect GUIminer "out of the zip" (though its option saving is apparently weird and I have to re-input port every time it restarts). Sent ya some geists

Isepick - I guess your router be playing tricks on ya, especially if strange connection behavior is not limited to Geist's port and also happens for Bitcoin.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 17, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Interesting fact - when connecting to any-coin through a kinky and weird router (D-Link DIR-615 Wireless N Router), I get no more than 12 connections   if "Wan ping" is not allowed, much more if ping is allowed (in both cases, port is forwarded).

Curiously enough, uTorrent seems to give exactly zero rat asses and establishes a lot  of incoming connections in both cases.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 17, 2011, 07:05:54 PM
Thanks, now i too have some GG.
9 GG.
Thanks.


Got new error. Marked in RED line


http://i56.tinypic.com/30mrbco.jpg




Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 17, 2011, 07:16:04 PM
Well, people get that occasionally. Still looking for a cause, but it usually goes away after client restart. Basically, either your NTP server is weird or we have a lot of people who never bothered with ntp=1 which could say scary things about the amount of attention people pay to this thing :)

Could also indicate you have connection issues, but so far no orphans were reported to be associated with this.

But, better safe than sorry, pls restart.

P.S.:
We will have a "pool friendly" version and a stable bootstrap node on tuesday. Also site.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 17, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
I'm thinking based on how blocks are generated with large sums of GH that when a pool opens with enough firepower any solo mining with a few GH will likely be in vain.

Small solo miners will be forced to use a pool to get a small cut of the already small GG pie.

 :D

Interesting I think.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 17, 2011, 07:56:11 PM
I'm thinking based on how blocks are generated with large sums of GH that when a pool opens with enough firepower any solo mining with a few GH will likely be in vain.

Small solo miners will be forced to use a pool to get a small cut of the already small GG pie.

 :D

Interesting I think.

Well, part of this effort is to establish how big can this pie grow (though, given how most of Bitcoin pie is run by, from Bitcoin Net's perspective, hundreds of nodes at most, it doesn't have to be able to grow very big to "live)

What is more concerning is that fast blocks radically affect some aspects of pool operations, which is where the   curious stuff starts.

P.S.:
dishwara, seriously, open up them ports for them incoming connections  :D. That will make you and Geist Geld as a whole happier :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Splirow on September 17, 2011, 11:18:14 PM
Lolcust,

Can you tell me how to mine GG?

I have GUIMiner. What should I do? I am kinda of a newb! lol


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 18, 2011, 05:36:43 AM
I collected some data on the difficulty that adjust ever few minutes. There are some duplicate values you can disregard them.

This is about 4 ro 6 hours of data:

41.32592058
53.03877464
73.57993070
73.57993070
73.57993070
49.74429527
51.01985208
57.21862978
57.21862978
56.05099627
48.21602856
75.14202535
75.14202535
71.00036395
61.73946964
61.73946964
58.56711479
58.56711479
49.14726638
72.36407710
64.32365492
64.32365492
50.78187382
50.78187382
44.64343971
57.91589282
52.65094384
52.65094384
45.29123383
79.92606214
80.26063120
80.26063120
56.48846120
72.49885485
72.49885485
49.57188487
49.57188487
44.55901687
58.75931634
64.98743013
64.98743013
72.89196305
72.89196305
72.89196305
49.69920313
55.47826432
61.35854439
61.35854439
57.52370111
61.35876880
61.35876880
37.95391768
60.72646061
60.72646061
49.91226583
54.44978872
56.08566147
56.08566147
83.60597408
82.91510781
82.91510781
59.57981164
58.36398172
58.36398172
64.55010658
70.41834735
70.41834735
48.70439667
46.02000230
70.80021269
70.80021269
78.66719809
78.66719809
44.52862239
44.52862239
54.24819652
71.53621804
79.85454130
79.85454130
59.70448399
54.90076476
54.90076476
59.62088744
48.17850528
48.17850528
55.32477040
49.17766378
49.17766378
87.79290099
87.79290099
71.66792685
71.66792685
55.12933754
82.69400631
82.69400631
75.46243737
54.71598303
54.71598303


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 18, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
Lolcust,

Can you tell me how to mine GG?

I have GUIMiner. What should I do? I am kinda of a newb! lol

1) Please pretty please open incoming ports, seriously, moar listerners are needed :)

2) input the thing you have in your config after "username=" into username field (default is username)

3)  input the thing you have in your config after "password=" into password field (default is password)

4) input 8777 into guiminer's port field

5) Start mining !


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 18, 2011, 08:40:12 AM
hmm, the "peers disagree with NTP" looks more and more like it can pretty much only be a bad ntp response:

Added time data, samples 17, offset -2 (+0 minutes)
-2  -2  -2  -1  -1  -1  -1  -1  -1  -1  -1  -1  +0  +0  +0  +0  +0  |  nTimeOffset = -1  (+0 minutes)

This is on a box with ntpd synced to a local stratum1 where the current SNTP code consistently gets < 10ms offset to local time from all pool.ntp.org servers I tried.

The basic problem is... we can't trust the local clock to be accurate, and if median-of-peers and SNTP disagree by more than a few sec... which one is right?
Gut feeling says if peers and NTP disagree by too much preferring median-of-peers time and issuing a warning might be better, current code uses NTP time and issues a warning under those conditions.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 18, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
Yes, I tend to agree with your gut feel, will have to tweak that bit later on.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 18, 2011, 05:38:48 PM
Hm, the RPC error is quite bizzare - I successfully connect GUIminer "out of the zip" (though its option saving is apparently weird and I have to re-input port every time it restarts). Sent ya some geists

P.S.:
dishwara, seriously, open up them ports for them incoming connections  :D. That will make you and Geist Geld as a whole happier :)


Ports are open only. I think the problem is guiminer searching for bitcoin.exe.
For GG which is the client & server file to run to mine solo?
is it geistd.exe?
I think if it is then giving it in the guiminer "location of bitcoin client" solve RPC problem.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 18, 2011, 05:50:48 PM
No need for server. Just solo, localhost, user, pass and port (8777), and GG application opened, of course.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 18, 2011, 06:13:18 PM
Guiminer giving error.

Code:
2011-09-18 23:42:40: Running command: poclbm.exe --user=aa --pass=aa -o localhost -p 8777 --device=0 --platform=0 --verbose
2011-09-18 23:42:40: Listener for "Default" started
2011-09-18 23:42:42: Listener for "Default": 18/09/2011 23:42:42, Setting pool aa @ localhost:8777
2011-09-18 23:42:45: Listener for "Default": Wrong username or password

This is in bitcoin.cnf file in virtual_data folder
testnet_config=1
testnet=1
rpcpassword=aa
rpcuser=aa
printtoconsole=1

EDIT:
It mines now.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on September 18, 2011, 06:40:52 PM
Guiminer giving error.

Code:
2011-09-18 23:42:40: Running command: poclbm.exe --user=aa --pass=aa -o localhost -p 8777 --device=0 --platform=0 --verbose
2011-09-18 23:42:40: Listener for "Default" started
2011-09-18 23:42:42: Listener for "Default": 18/09/2011 23:42:42, Setting pool aa @ localhost:8777
2011-09-18 23:42:45: Listener for "Default": Wrong username or password

This is in bitcoin.cnf file in virtual_data folder
testnet_config=1
testnet=1
rpcpassword=aa
rpcuser=aa
printtoconsole=1

EDIT:
It mines now.



What's your hashing rate?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 18, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
Guiminer giving error.

Code:
2011-09-18 23:42:40: Running command: poclbm.exe --user=aa --pass=aa -o localhost -p 8777 --device=0 --platform=0 --verbose
2011-09-18 23:42:40: Listener for "Default" started
2011-09-18 23:42:42: Listener for "Default": 18/09/2011 23:42:42, Setting pool aa @ localhost:8777
2011-09-18 23:42:45: Listener for "Default": Wrong username or password

This is in bitcoin.cnf file in virtual_data folder
testnet_config=1
testnet=1
rpcpassword=aa
rpcuser=aa
printtoconsole=1

EDIT:
It mines now.



What's your hashing rate?

I hope this explains more

http://i54.tinypic.com/1tmruf.jpg


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 18, 2011, 08:25:35 PM
looks perfectly fine to me


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 19, 2011, 03:30:20 AM
I see a strange problem in guiminer. Even after configuring & SAVING & mining, restarting guiminer with quit changes the port back to 8332 in stead of 8777.
Seems guiminer not saving the port number, so in every restart of guiminer port number have to be given again.

I mined only 30 minutes & got 2 blocks & my balance increased from 9 to 23. Since each block has 7 coins. So i hope i am mining correctly.

@Lolcust:  Also please add in your signature in BOLD letters to update the config file with ntp=1 instead of ntp=0.
Many are still using old version & it takes me sometimes 1 or 2 attempts to restart GG to get no error/no ntp error in getinfo.


Post edited.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 19, 2011, 04:02:18 AM
Mine is running great now, after tons of trials and one change of computer :) .  I think most of the problems should be due to firewall setting as for this computer, I just unpack and run and it is running perfectly.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 19, 2011, 05:56:29 AM
The reason for not mining is very simple.
Its not due to not correctly pointing to bitcoin client.

Its for this reason config in bitcoin.conf

Code:
# rpcport will also be changed for namecoin here
rpcport=8777

noirc=0
dns=0
gen=0   I changed it to gen=1


On next release update gen=1.

Also i see a strange problem in guiminer. Even after configuring & SAVING & mining, restarting guiminer with quit changes the port back to 8332 in stead of 8777.
Seems guiminer not saving the port number, so in every restart of guiminer port number have to be given again.

I mined only 30 minutes & got 2 blocks & my balance increased from 9 to 23. Since each block has 7 coins. So i hope i am mining correctly.

@Lolcust:  Also please add in your signature in BOLD letters to update the config file with ntp=1 instead of ntp=0.
Many are still using old version & it takes me sometimes 1 or 2 attempts to restart GG to get no error/no ntp error in getinfo.



Are you sure about the gen=1 ? It should run fine with "gen=0".

I thought "gen" is for CPU mining on the local machine, by the client itself.
But that doesn't give you much coins, CPU's are slow for mining...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 19, 2011, 05:59:58 AM
yes. its not gen=0 gave problem. But guiminer port not storing.
Always port changes to 8332 after restart of guiminer.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Splirow on September 19, 2011, 02:21:48 PM
Lolcust,

when will you make a more simplified client?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 19, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
I finally mined 28 GG coins successfully with 2 blocks of orphaned coins.   It would be nice if someone start a pool though.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kjlimo on September 20, 2011, 04:05:17 AM
I finally mined 28 GG coins successfully with 2 blocks of orphaned coins.   It would be nice if someone start a pool though.

yesyes, plz pool.  I'm too lazy/ untrustworthy to get involved without a pool =/


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 20, 2011, 01:44:24 PM
I think until Lolcust changes the testnet folder to some other name, no pool or exchange will take GG seriously.
Since GG restarted many used to believe that it will be restarted again. Besides that it has a folder named testnet which has wallet.dat..
So, its obvious that anyone can easily believe that GG is still in test net only.

~40000 blocks mined so far, its really higher than the blocks mined by any other currency besides bitcoin. Now I0C passed ~44000+ blocks.

So better release a new version with NO TESTNET folder & also ntp=1


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 20, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
Is there real interest in a blockexplorer-like site for Geist Geld?  Help me decide if I should set it up!     ;D

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9)
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9)

0:0, so there doesn't seem to be neither real need nor interest in the blockexplorer for GG.   ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 02:04:17 PM
Oy, no one donated ? How sad.  I shall donate, then, a bitcoin for science.
Bitcoin away :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Mousepotato on September 20, 2011, 02:06:58 PM
I still can't connect.  In the GG client window I see a message that says "no valid UPnP IGDs found".  What does that even mean?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 02:09:30 PM
I still can't connect.  In the GG client window I see a message that says "no valid UPnP IGDs found".  What does that even mean?

Means that the UPnP has not found a device it could have dirty talk with, so you are falling back on the vanilla approach to port forwarding

Strange enough you have no outgoing ones tho.

Post your getinfo and your config ( www.pastebin.com )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 20, 2011, 02:23:05 PM
Same issue as what I was having on one computer, I restarted the daemon a few times and finally get it working.  For another computer, one start and the GG coins was being mined smoothly all the way.  Kinda of weird for the first computer.  Can't figure out the problems or the solutions.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
On shitty routers, UPnP can somehow upset them in a manner that renders the port closed (investigation underway, should eventually figure it out since I happen to have some shitty routers and a person with unhelathy amounts of free time available).
Restarting the daemon tends to help that one. If else fails, restart the router.

That should not affect outgoing connections though.

Wisdomtool, were both computers using the same internet connection ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 20, 2011, 03:05:59 PM
No, both computers are on different ISPs.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 03:10:09 PM
It might be that one of the ISPs were having some mysterious network issues, the magnitude of effect of which is at the core of whether Geist would survive.

Could you keep Geist running on the "problem" pc and just keep an eye if NTP quirks or "mass orphanages" are common on it ?

P.S.:
My Russian friends have reported that domain name has been registered. Geist site is soon, after all.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 20, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
Sure, running it right now mining GGs.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 03:23:22 PM
Tell me if you get orphan streaks like discussed several pages ago or any other weird stuff.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 20, 2011, 04:08:41 PM
Any news on exchange service?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 20, 2011, 04:23:03 PM
Is there real interest in a blockexplorer-like site for Geist Geld?  Help me decide if I should set it up!     ;D

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9)
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9)

0:0, so there doesn't seem to be neither real need nor interest in the blockexplorer for GG.   ;D

I think there is interest.
The problem is people don't like to pay for voting.
If you set up geist blockexplorer though, I would be glad to donate once it's up.
And maybe Lolcust can offer a bounty?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 20, 2011, 04:29:07 PM
I would be more interested in a pool at the moment, if anyone is setting up and need some help or spare servers do let me know.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 05:04:25 PM
Any news on exchange service?

In the works. Mild technical issues.

I would be more interested in a pool at the moment, if anyone is setting up and need some help or spare servers do let me know.

I will PM you in a moment


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 20, 2011, 06:11:37 PM
I made a vector version of the original Geist Geld logo in adobe illustrator.
So next release perhaps you can put some high res logos in there?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo.ai (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo.ai)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
I made a vector version of the original Geist Geld logo in adobe illustrator.
So next release perhaps you can put some high res logos in there?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo.ai (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo.ai)

OI, thanks, I already vectorized my original doodle, but your work is very appreciated :) I'll see which turned out best... Oh, could you please save it in svg, (open source, all that jazz :) )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 20, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
I made a vector version of the original Geist Geld logo in adobe illustrator.
So next release perhaps you can put some high res logos in there?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo.ai (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo.ai)

OI, thanks, I already vectorized my original doodle, but your work is very appreciated :) I'll see which turned out best... Oh, could you please save it in svg, (open source, all that jazz :) )
Your welcome!
Here it is in svg format.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo%20-%20Copy.svg (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2780360/GGlogo%20-%20Copy.svg)
Btw, I would be surprised if mine turns out better. I've never done this before :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 09:27:04 PM
First bounty: Update Notifier

One of the things Geist Geld desperately needs to avert various unfavorable experiences down the line is a means to somewhat meticulously and insistently (within reason) notify the user if the majority of peers he is connected to have a version different from his own.

This will help to draw the user's attention to the fact that his version is lagging behind the general Geist Geld frontier and he'd better catch up until something bad happened.

The bounty on this one is 69 777  Geists, and of course proper credit in the  Contributors section of the website (which gonna go up real soon)

Meanwhile, I would ask the kind community to provide feedback as to possible pitfalls and implementation suggestions.

Thank you very much in advance


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lumpy on September 20, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
*cough* 150 thousand? *cough*

Considering that we're around block 40000 (=280k mined), doesn't that seem like a bit much? The person who does it suddenly has ~1/3rd of the entire mining supply?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 10:43:45 PM
*cough* 150 thousand? *cough*

Considering that we're around block 40000 (=280k mined), doesn't that seem like a bit much? The person who does it suddenly has ~1/3rd of the entire mining supply?

We need that thing fast, like, really soon. Because quite frankly when the exchange opens, we might have quite an influx of users who will later be quite careless to check for updates.

Need I remind that we still seem to have a few guys without ntp=1 (I wonder if we still have somebody bravely trawling Chain 1 :( )

And I have reasons to believe that  kinks in the exchange will be sorted out pretty damn soon, and coding and testing that thing will likely take quite some time (so, more like ~ 1/4, the brave programmer will have)

EDIT: Decided to slightly tone it down to 69 777 so that nobody gets too nervous and the number is still kinda pretty  ;)...Hope that a kind skilled soul with a keen interest in Geist Geld (and Geists) will still show up soon enough ...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 20, 2011, 11:54:42 PM
Site's up and running... Guess it's time to catch a nap.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: zillagod on September 21, 2011, 01:10:01 AM
First bounty: Update Notifier

One of the things Geist Geld desperately needs to avert various unfavorable experiences down the line is a means to somewhat meticulously and insistently (within reason) notify the user if the majority of peers he is connected to have a version different from his own.

This will help to draw the user's attention to the fact that his version is lagging behind the general Geist Geld frontier and he'd better catch up until something bad happened.

The bounty on this one is 69 777  Geists, and of course proper credit in the  Contributors section of the website (which gonna go up real soon)

Meanwhile, I would ask the kind community to provide feedback as to possible pitfalls and implementation suggestions.

Thank you very much in advance

Wouldn't it be easier/more reliable to build a check into the client against a file on the website? Then you'd know as soon as you start the client if its out of date or not.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: theymos on September 21, 2011, 01:50:32 AM
First bounty: Update Notifier

You already have one! You just failed to use your own public key instead of Satoshi's key:
https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld/blob/multimergemine2/src/main.h#L1578


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 07:17:08 AM
First bounty: Update Notifier

You already have one! You just failed to use your own public key instead of Satoshi's key:
https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld/blob/multimergemine2/src/main.h#L1578

Hm... interesting, I PMed you.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 21, 2011, 10:20:01 AM
BTW is there any step by step instructions on mining Geist Geld with linuxcoin?  the current binaries seem to be for Windows only


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 01:14:02 PM
How do you run GEG with the same user on the same box as you also run Bitcoin on Unix?  I've downloaded the sources with git, compiled them and when running the daemon, even indicating a different --datadir and port (8335) it seems to connect to the Bitcoin network.  Are there any documentation on how to run both simultaneously, please?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 01:34:22 PM
How do you run GEG with the same user on the same box as you also run Bitcoin on Unix?  I've downloaded the sources with git, compiled them and when running the daemon, even indicating a different --datadir and port (8335) it seems to connect to the Bitcoin network.  Are there any documentation on how to run both simultaneously, please?

A different datadir should force it to do everything okay.

Create your datadir. Make sure it's empty. put Geist's config there. Start geist with -datadir="path_to_datadir"

Do not pass port as startup option - config should be taking care of that.

If you did everything right, it will creater a testnet folder in the datadir which you specified and connect to channel #geistgeld00


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 01:48:34 PM
Create your datadir. Make sure it's empty. put Geist's config there. Start geist with -datadir="path_to_datadir"

Do not pass port as startup option - config should be taking care of that.

If you did everything right, it will creater a testnet folder in the datadir which you specified and connect to channel #geistgeld00

It doesn't seem to:

~$ ggd -datadir=.gg/
Bitcoin: Unable to bind to port 8333 on this computer.  Bitcoin is probably already running.

That's why I also try seting the port on the command line.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on September 21, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
Create your datadir. Make sure it's empty. put Geist's config there. Start geist with -datadir="path_to_datadir"

Do not pass port as startup option - config should be taking care of that.

If you did everything right, it will creater a testnet folder in the datadir which you specified and connect to channel #geistgeld00

It doesn't seem to:

~$ ggd -datadir=.gg/
Bitcoin: Unable to bind to port 8333 on this computer.  Bitcoin is probably already running.

That's why I also try seting the port on the command line.
use the full path to datadir


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
use the full path to datadir

I also had tried that.  It does not make any difference:

:~$ ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg/
Bitcoin: Unable to bind to port 8333 on this computer.  Bitcoin is probably already running.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 02:12:51 PM
Um, did you try putting quotes?

:~$ ggd -datadir="/home/ama/.gg/" ?

Maybe try using a different  datadir name, one with no dot in it (random suggestion) ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
Um, did you try putting quotes?

:~$ ggd -datadir="/home/ama/.gg/" ?

Maybe try using a different  datadir name, one with no dot in it (random suggestion) ?

It'd be the first program (and *coin) needing either quotes or a non-hidden directory.

~$ ggd -daemon -datadir="/home/ama/gg/"
Bitcoin: Unable to bind to port 8333 on this computer.  Bitcoin is probably already running.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
Hm, could you post the contents of the config you are using with Geist to www.pastebin.com ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 21, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
Let me try the suggestions out 2mor, am also very interested to see GG coins work in Linux.  Hopefully I will have some good news for you


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: thirdlight on September 21, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
It's working for me, without the trailing / :
Code:
ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 02:41:23 PM
It's working for me, without the trailing / :
Code:
ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg

It does not make any difference.  It shouldn't anyway.  I always add the trailing end to directory paths.

~$ ggd -daemon -datadir=/home/ama/.gg
Bitcoin: Unable to bind to port 8333 on this computer.  Bitcoin is probably already running.

It seems like I was running the Bitcoin binary instead of the GEG one.  But I clone the sources directory with:

git clone https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld.git

And compiled inside of the GeistGeld/src.  I got a binary called 'bitcoind', though.

I followed the same procedure I follow to compile Bitcoin, Namecoin, Solidcoin, I0coin, and Ixcoin.  I've compiled all of the several times and I never had any problem.  Is there something special I need to do for GEG which is different of the rest, please?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 02:46:45 PM
Is there real interest in a blockexplorer-like site for Geist Geld?  Help me decide if I should set it up!     ;D

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9)
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9)

0:0, so there doesn't seem to be neither real need nor interest in the blockexplorer for GG.   ;D

I think there is interest.
The problem is people don't like to pay for voting.
If you set up geist blockexplorer though, I would be glad to donate once it's up.
And maybe Lolcust can offer a bounty?

Well, it wasn't really voting.  As someone said, nobody could find any reason to vote for no.  It was more of a funny way of asking for donations to set it up.

A bounty would be motivating, since simply getting the daemon to run seems to te to be orders of magnitud more complicated than running the other *coins.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: thirdlight on September 21, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
I took the generated bitcoind, moved it to ~ and renamed it. I'm calling it with
Code:
~$./ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg &

In your .gg/bitcoin.conf, check both port & rpcport.

Out of ideas...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I took the generated bitcoind, moved it to ~ and renamed it. I'm calling it with
Code:
~$./ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg &

In your .gg/bitcoin.conf, check both port & rpcport.

Out of ideas...

I don't have any port or rpcport set.  Somebody said before using a different directory would take care of that.  I never set a port or a rpcport either for any of the other five chains.  Is it necesary to do it for this one?  If so, what are the port and rpcport numbers for it?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: zillagod on September 21, 2011, 02:54:01 PM
I started getting a few of these this morning:

ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000000049aaab5e
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001b0b1aa5309
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000016e2617943a
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001aa515daf6a
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001acdbf89780
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001c23469de6c

I have the log piped to a text file if you want it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 03:05:04 PM

I don't have any port or rpcport set.  

That is not normal, default Geist config should have both of those.

Geist is different in how it handles stuff from config (due to being a Multicoin fork) and thus some values (port, portlisten, ntp, enablefullretarget and many others) need to be there.

Please see "default" Geist config, it's in the Config+Blockchain folder that should have gotten fetched from Git, and also in the Git source's root

I started getting a few of these this morning:

ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000000049aaab5e
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001b0b1aa5309
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000016e2617943a
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001aa515daf6a
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001acdbf89780
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000001c23469de6c

I have the log piped to a text file if you want it.

Please PM it to me


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
Hm, could you post the contents of the config you are using with Geist to www.pastebin.com ?

It's short enough to paste it here:

~$ cat .gg/bitcoin.conf
rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=password

I use equivalent files for all the *coin.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 03:15:53 PM
Hm, could you post the contents of the config you are using with Geist to www.pastebin.com ?

It's short enough to paste it here:

~$ cat .gg/bitcoin.conf
rpcuser=user
rpcpassword=password

I use equivalent files for all the *coin.

Well, that kills the Geist.

It's a multicoin fork, so it takes a lot of vital stuff (including Genesis block properties) from config.

I guess I will make that very explicit in first post and on site lol.

Use default config supplied with sources (though you might want to change rpc username and password)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 03:23:55 PM
It's a multicoin fork, so it takes a lot of vital stuff (including Genesis block properties) from config.

I guess I will make that very explicit in first post and on site lol.

Use default config supplied with sources (though you might want to change rpc username and password)

Please do so.  I don't think it's stated anywhere easy enough to find for someone new to the chain.  I'd say it's kind of logical to think it works like all the other 5 popular chains, isn't it?

It seems to be working now, although, unlike any other chain, it's throwing hundreds of lines of text into the console.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
It seems to be working now, although, unlike any other chain, it's throwing hundreds of lines of text into the console.

OK, now when I try to get the block count I get:

~$ ggd getblockcount
146307

Which is the Bitcoin block count.  Isn't that wrong?  Man, I wish there was some documentation I could read.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: thirdlight on September 21, 2011, 03:34:09 PM
In .gg/bitcoin.conf change printtoconsole=1 to printtoconsole=0

ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg getinfo


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 21, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
In .gg/bitcoin.conf change printtoconsole=1 to printtoconsole=0

ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg getinfo


I see.  So I need to add the -datadir parameter on the command line all the time, OK.

~$ ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg getblockcount
12605

Yep!  Finally!  I think it'd be very convenient to make all this information needed to run the daemon easily accesible to the newbies.  Thank you for all the help.   :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 21, 2011, 03:56:16 PM
In .gg/bitcoin.conf change printtoconsole=1 to printtoconsole=0

ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg getinfo


I see.  So I need to add the -datadir parameter on the command line all the time, OK.

~$ ggd -datadir=/home/ama/.gg getblockcount
12605

Yep!  Finally!  I think it'd be very convenient to make all this information needed to run the daemon easily accesible to the newbies.  Thank you for all the help.   :)

Well, I think I'll put a bounty on a linux tutorial (win users can just download "Crutches" portability suite / PGUI and fire away), since I'm quite clumsy with them linuxes.

Hm, I guess 500 GG would be fair....


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: thirdlight on September 21, 2011, 04:11:36 PM
Ok,

Code:
~$ git clone git://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld
~$ cd GeistGeld/src
~/GeistGeld/src$ make -f makefile.unix
~/GeistGeld/src$ mv bitcoind ~/ggd
~/GeistGeld/src$ cd ~
~$ mkdir .gg

Extract bitcoin.conf from Config+Blockchain to .gg directory

In your favourite text editor, change
Code:
printtoconsole=1
to
Code:
printtoconsole=0

also change
Code:
rpcuser=xxxx
rpcpassword=xxx
to something appropriate,

then
Code:
~$ ./ggd -datadir=/home/<your-username-here>/.gg &

to check it's working:
Code:
~$ ./ggd -datadir=/home/<your-username-here>/.gg getinfo

That's what I did, I'm no expert!




Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 22, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
Thanks a million, thirdlight.  Exactly what I am searching for :) . Happy mining GGs!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: thirdlight on September 22, 2011, 05:56:01 PM
Thanks a million, thirdlight.  Exactly what I am searching for :) . Happy mining GGs!
No problem, glad it helped.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 22, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
When GG will change from experimental to real?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 22, 2011, 11:47:14 PM
When I finally get the poor thing going on the exhange's server :D. Which I am sorta moving towards......


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 23, 2011, 10:37:44 AM
Is there real interest in a blockexplorer-like site for Geist Geld?  Help me decide if I should set it up!     ;D

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9)
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9)

0:0, so there doesn't seem to be neither real need nor interest in the blockexplorer for GG.   ;D

I think there is interest.
The problem is people don't like to pay for voting.
If you set up geist blockexplorer though, I would be glad to donate once it's up.
And maybe Lolcust can offer a bounty?

GEG added to http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/.  I hope it's useful.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 23, 2011, 04:17:58 PM
Awesome ama. Put up a donation address.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 23, 2011, 04:23:15 PM
Awesome ama. Put up a donation address.

I did it a few days ago already, actually before I set the blockexplorer up, hehe.

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 23, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
Put the address on http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/ along with all the other donation addresses.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 23, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
Put the address on http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/ along with all the other donation addresses.

Ah!  You mean a GEG address?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 23, 2011, 07:18:48 PM
Yeah, there you go. Donation sent.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 23, 2011, 07:46:29 PM
Yeah, there you go. Donation sent.

Thank you.  I didn't even think about adding a GEG donation address to the page, as I didn't add a Bitcoin testnet one.  They are testnets and the coins have no value, have they?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 23, 2011, 07:53:22 PM
Yeah, there you go. Donation sent.

Thank you.  I didn't even think about adding a GEG donation address to the page, as I didn't add a Bitcoin testnet one.  They are testnets and the coins have no value, have they?

Geist only uses testnet folder due to legacy from multicoin.

OKAY THAT DOES IT :D

I will change the default folder layout in the upcoming update (Don't worry, your "old" geist wallets will still reside in <datadir>/testnet so you could copy them over to new location and thus no ghost monies are expected to be lost)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 23, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Geist only uses testnet folder due to legacy from multicoin.

OKAY THAT DOES IT :D

I will change the default folder layout in the upcoming update (Don't worry, your "old" geist wallets will still reside in <datadir>/testnet so you could copy them over to new location and thus no ghost monies are expected to be lost)

Does that mean that GEG isn't experimental anymore?  Is it a "real" chain then?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 23, 2011, 08:00:15 PM
Geist only uses testnet folder due to legacy from multicoin.

OKAY THAT DOES IT :D

I will change the default folder layout in the upcoming update (Don't worry, your "old" geist wallets will still reside in <datadir>/testnet so you could copy them over to new location and thus no ghost monies are expected to be lost)

Does that mean that GEG isn't experimental anymore?  Is it a "real" chain then?

It's still experimental, but it's real (in the sense there is an exchange in the works, and sooner or later pools) to the approximate extent (some) other alt-coins are "real"

BTW, what defines a "real" alt-coin ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 23, 2011, 08:08:12 PM
BTW, what defines a "real" alt-coin ?

I don't know, I'm no expert!  But I'd say that if some people use it and take it serious, despite of what other people do, say, or think, it can be consider "real".  I thought that being experimental it was simply a testnet, without any real value.   I'm sorry, I've probably missinterpret the inicial posts where it was called experimental.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 24, 2011, 01:41:28 PM
Is there real interest in a blockexplorer-like site for Geist Geld?  Help me decide if I should set it up!     ;D

Yes: 16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/16p7hr3nKhFrKz3qn2cg3Q3buEgr5yPnU9)
No: 1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9 (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/1H51nfR4V83dhy9niUZjjXigVVYeX14qZ9)

0:0, so there doesn't seem to be neither real need nor interest in the blockexplorer for GG.   ;D

I think there is interest.
The problem is people don't like to pay for voting.
If you set up geist blockexplorer though, I would be glad to donate once it's up.
And maybe Lolcust can offer a bounty?

GEG added to http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/.  I hope it's useful.

Thank you!
Sent a little GEG donation.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 24, 2011, 01:48:36 PM
GEG added to http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/.  I hope it's useful.

Thank you!
Sent a little GEG donation.

Thank you!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 26, 2011, 06:47:48 AM
GG update soon(ish). Stay tuned :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 26, 2011, 09:12:34 PM
GG update soon(ish). Stay tuned :)

Now I feel like a child waiting for christmas  ::)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 27, 2011, 07:47:32 AM
Happy new year!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 27, 2011, 12:38:13 PM
And here is the usability update, with a few tweaks to time windows and such.

http://www.geistgeld.org/getting-started.html

Expect exchange approximately after 50%+ users update their stuffs.

Now, some generalized notes

1) pretty please back up the wallet.dat before you do anything

2) New folder structure is

 Windows: C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\geistgeld
Mac: ~/Library/Application Support/geistgeld
Unix: ~/.geistgeld

3) New config name is geist.conf

4) WALLET.DAT (the monies) AND OTHER DATA NOW RESIDES IN FOLDER geistdata INSIDE THE DATADIR

5) Windows users can just download the new Crutches bundle with all the configs in place, then copy the contents of Vital_Data\testnet into the Vital_Data\geistdata.

BAM! new life

(please verify your balance and the network operation before you delete the old portable bundle with its lonely old testnet folder :)

6) linux users can just make a folder .geistgeld, put their config and their geistdata (with wallet.dat and blockchain) there, and no longer bother passing the -datadir :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 27, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
This is great!  Finally a proper get started for both Linux and Windows, going to try on both my Linux and Windows machines tomorrow! :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 27, 2011, 05:13:09 PM
Is anyone have this strange problem?
Every time i restart GUIMiner to mine solo GG, it changes the port to 8332.
Every time i change back it & saving.
Still when i starts again, the port changes back to 8332.
Only way for me is to change the port to 8777 in server.ini file itself.
Anyone getting this strange behavior?
I got it in both GG, GG-new & now also in GG-pack.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 27, 2011, 05:48:34 PM
I just updated on my linux box. Everything's working fine.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 27, 2011, 05:57:16 PM
I've updated it also at my Linux box and everything was fine.  I have then updated the daemon which feeds the block explorer (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/) and it's still downloading the block chain, so the explorer is stuck at block 79024 at the moment.  Let's hope everything goes smooth and as soon as the daemon reaches there, the block explorer will show it automatically.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 27, 2011, 06:13:16 PM
Is anyone have this strange problem?
Every time i restart GUIMiner to mine solo GG, it changes the port to 8332.
Every time i change back it & saving.
Still when i starts again, the port changes back to 8332.
Only way for me is to change the port to 8777 in server.ini file itself.
Anyone getting this strange behavior?
I got it in both GG, GG-new & now also in GG-pack.

I did have this problem too back when I used GUIMiner.
Here is a simple workaround!
In the server dropdownmenu, set it to "other" instead of "solo".
Now you can change port number as you wish without this problem, and it sticks.
The "solo" settings make it revert to default bitcoin solo mining port.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 27, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
Is anyone have this strange problem?
Every time i restart GUIMiner to mine solo GG, it changes the port to 8332.
Every time i change back it & saving.
Still when i starts again, the port changes back to 8332.
Only way for me is to change the port to 8777 in server.ini file itself.
Anyone getting this strange behavior?
I got it in both GG, GG-new & now also in GG-pack.

I did have this problem too back when I used GUIMiner.
Here is a simple workaround!
In the server dropdownmenu, set it to "other" instead of "solo".
Now you can change port number as you wish without this problem, and it sticks.
The "solo" settings make it revert to default bitcoin solo mining port.

Thanks.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 27, 2011, 06:51:41 PM
I've updated it also at my Linux box and everything was fine.  I have then updated the daemon which feeds the block explorer (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/) and it's still downloading the block chain, so the explorer is stuck at block 79024 at the moment.  Let's hope everything goes smooth and as soon as the daemon reaches there, the block explorer will show it automatically.

It doesn't.  Let's hope a complete database rebuilt isn't needed.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 27, 2011, 06:52:37 PM
I've updated it also at my Linux box and everything was fine.  I have then updated the daemon which feeds the block explorer (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/) and it's still downloading the block chain, so the explorer is stuck at block 79024 at the moment.  Let's hope everything goes smooth and as soon as the daemon reaches there, the block explorer will show it automatically.

It doesn't.  Let's hope a complete database rebuild isn't needed.

Solved.  Updated to the current block again using the new version (new directory structure).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 28, 2011, 07:12:48 AM
ATTENTION FELLOW BRAVE GEIST GELD USERS!

The Simplecoin opensource pool has now opened a public beta of Geist Geld support.

http://simplecoin.us/stats.php

While their frontpage has not yet introduced references to GG, you can plainly see GG blockrate in the statistics graph (Link above) so join the fun and fire away.

Be advised that typical solo cgminer settings ( -s 1 -Q 0 ) are NOT effective with pools, and that part of this public beta's intent is to determine optimum miner soft tweaks for such a fast blockrate.

Obviously, longpoll is pretty much a must.

Having said that, join and let's try out this thing.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 28, 2011, 10:00:09 AM
Pool is working out remarkably well for me ^__^ what about you guys ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 28, 2011, 11:04:09 AM
Pool is working out remarkably well for me ^__^ what about you guys ?

Tested & working.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 28, 2011, 11:14:16 AM
Thought I could share my settings and tweaks since I started pool mining Geist.

Using cgminer on dual 6990 rig.
cgminer -o pool.simplecoin.us:8337 -u user -p pass -g 1 -w 128 -v 2

Stats:
Cgminer reports (avg) 1535 Mh/sec and efficiency 88%.

Will do some more tweaking during the day and report back if it improves significantly.  :)

Yep, pool seems to work great!

Edit;
Changed to worksize 256
Stats:
Cgminer reports (avg) 1500 Mh/sec and efficiency 94%

Settings in cgminer:
Longpoll on
Intensity 8
Queue 0
Scantime 20


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 28, 2011, 12:47:28 PM
Will give it a test and feedback on it soon.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 28, 2011, 01:18:46 PM
pool working fine.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 28, 2011, 05:22:37 PM
You know, I thought it would be worse.

Stales are quite decent for such a fast rate.

Anyone of you wanna try running it in pool with Poclbm-mod thing ? with https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Poclbm-mod


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 28, 2011, 05:58:21 PM
Yeap trying out the GG Proportional, looks quite smooth


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on September 28, 2011, 09:36:31 PM
I mined GG prop for about 24hrs, and it did pretty well!
I solo now, and generate far more GG/day!
146 Blocks and counting so far today!

For me:
CG for pools/GUIminer for solo! The usual settings on both!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 28, 2011, 10:05:49 PM
Wow, Geistgeld diff shot through 111 ! Yay!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 28, 2011, 10:15:02 PM
Wow, Geistgeld diff shot through 111 ! Yay!

And now its 79!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 28, 2011, 10:18:29 PM
Wow, Geistgeld diff shot through 111 ! Yay!

And now its 79!

Rapid adjusts are rapid :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 28, 2011, 10:25:27 PM
Wow, Geistgeld diff shot through 111 ! Yay!

And now its 79!

Rapid adjusts are rapid :)

Very much so!
Its back at 48  ;D This is the best coin ever!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 28, 2011, 11:39:29 PM
Stales seem to be not a problem at all, about the same as that for other coin mining.  In fact when I tried the pool, I had only 1 stale

You know, I thought it would be worse.

Stales are quite decent for such a fast rate.

Anyone of you wanna try running it in pool with Poclbm-mod thing ? with https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Poclbm-mod


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: btc-e.com on September 29, 2011, 06:59:46 AM
Started trading on a pair of GG / BTC

Commission is 0.3% per transaction.

https://btc-e.com/gg_exchanger


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 07:23:20 AM
https://btc-e.com/news/27

The exchange has asked me for a "liquidity boost" sized 6799 GG

Given that the size is not terribly big and that they agreed to put it in the news section (so that you guys won't go "lolololololcust is selling-off", I decided to provide it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 29, 2011, 07:39:51 AM
Thanks for getting the exchange up, but I am not selling my GG coins just yet :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 07:44:28 AM
Thanks for getting the exchange up, but I am not selling my GG coins just yet :)

Neither am I. In fact, I'm busy with Tenebrix "what do we do with premined coins" issue and Tenebrix daemon (which is vital for a tenebrix exchange)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 29, 2011, 07:56:29 AM
Actually is Tenebrix is real thingy?  Or is it something you imagine :)?  Haven't seen any mining clients etc for this.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 07:58:39 AM
Actually is Tenebrix is real thingy?  Or is it something you imagine :)?  Haven't seen any mining clients etc for this.

Links are in the first post of the Tenebrix thread man.

Linux client compiles from Git, windows comes in a portability suite like Geist, download and fire. Link to multi-thread miner for tenebrix is in the first post (and windows binary is included in the suite)

y ppl no read 1st posts ?   :D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 29, 2011, 08:00:07 AM
Nope, I always read the last post :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Splirow on September 29, 2011, 08:47:29 AM
Lolcust,

I downloaded the new files for GG.....

However, my computer prompts me for a virus on one of the files. It is "Win32/CoinMiner"

Did you put that there? or is it a trojan/virus?

thanks


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 08:50:45 AM
It's the guiminer. Some AV treat all non-whitelisted mining code as virii - many alts have that issue


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Splirow on September 29, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
Got it.....Just wanted to make sure.

Few things...

I have mined with 2G/hs for 30mins.......Why I still have 0 balance?

How do I get my address again?


thanks



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 09:26:56 AM
check "listtransactions" and ensure you have incoming open.

Did you mine in pool or solo ? You'd better be using the GG pool (simplecoin.us) because diff is growing fasssst


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 29, 2011, 09:27:09 AM
Spirow, with "getaccountaddress <username_in_the_.conf_file" in the control tab.

And one from me, I'm trying to send some GGs to the exchange, but I get the "type mismatch" error.
I write : sendtoaddress <address> <ammount> in the Send_GG tab, right ?
edit: got it. No need for "sendtoaddress" command...  ::)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
Spirow, with "getaccountaddress <username_in_the_.conf_file" in the control tab.

And one from me, I'm trying to send some GGs to the exchange, but I get the "type mismatch" error.
I write : sendtoaddress <address> <ammount> in the Send_GG tab, right ?
edit: got it. No need for "sendtoaddress" command...  ::)

The whole point of SEND tab is to remove the need to type "sendtoaddress"

That's why it says "Please input destination address AND ammount" when you use it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 29, 2011, 09:59:46 AM
Yeah, silly me.
Something else happened, my attempt to send last of my coins finished with crash to the GG client ( 15 minutes ago ). My coins are gone, but they're not in the exchange account yet . Hope they'll come eventually...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 10:02:06 AM
Yeah, silly me.
Something else happened, my attempt to send last of my coins finished with crash to the GG client ( 15 minutes ago ). My coins are gone, but they're not in the exchange account yet . Hope they'll come eventually...

Hm.

Check them up with GG blockexplorer.

If they don't show up in blockexplorer, then all you need is to do a -rescan because the blockchain didn't "get" you.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 29, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
Just checked the Block Explorer - didn't found it.
edit. Figured it out. Everything is fine, now.
Thanks, Lolcust for the rapid reply.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 10:17:41 AM
Just checked the Block Explorer - didn't found it.
So I type -rescan in the control tab ?

Hm, no

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin

shut down GG, add a line saying
Code:
rescan=1
into the config, and start back up.

Hopefully, your coins will get found in the BC


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 29, 2011, 10:28:13 AM
I did it exactly the same way, it worked. I'm little ... overexcited right now ( may be from the half litre of coffee, until noon ).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
Glad yo found your Geists. Don't forget to remove the rescan thingie now that they are found, rescanning tends to hit performance a lot.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 29, 2011, 12:13:42 PM
Pool simplecoin down


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 12:19:08 PM
Up again. Probably noobs hitting it with GG :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 29, 2011, 12:35:17 PM
Trying to setup a GG pool with my extremely limited linux knowledge.....


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
We'll have two poolz ? Yo!

Don't forget that you will need specialsauce Geist running on ye pool.

It's in the github.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ama on September 29, 2011, 03:16:45 PM
y ppl no read 1st posts ?   :D

Perhaps because people don't find them?  Where is it?   :)  Or maybe they find them and read them but they think they're a joke (that's what I thought for some time about GEG myself, after reading the first post).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: simplecoin on September 29, 2011, 03:23:30 PM
Sorry about the outage. I was hosting GG on my old pool server for testing. It had a nasty habit of random hardware resets every week or so.

I just moved GG to the new pool server. It's been up for 20 days, which is about as long as it's been in service. It should have been down less than a minute or so (forgot to change the sql user ip for the gg pool).


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Starlightbreaker on September 29, 2011, 03:50:48 PM
wtf did you guys do?
~1% stale rate on fast blocks?

that's unheard of.
lol.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: simplecoin on September 29, 2011, 03:57:35 PM
wtf did you guys do?
~1% stale rate on fast blocks?

that's unheard of.
lol.

Well, I'm running GG with long-polling in the client. Once the RPC is sped up it should be less. Stales are still a bit high for my taste...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 04:09:19 PM
wtf did you guys do?
~1% stale rate on fast blocks?

that's unheard of.
lol.

Well, I'm running GG with long-polling in the client. Once the RPC is sped up it should be less. Stales are still a bit high for my taste...

GG you run includes full Joel suite, so it should include all the things that are there.

However, I do have a lingering suspicion that some more corners can be cut to get stales lower. Anyways, for 15s blocks, not bad, IMHO.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: simplecoin on September 29, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
wtf did you guys do?
~1% stale rate on fast blocks?

that's unheard of.
lol.

Well, I'm running GG with long-polling in the client. Once the RPC is sped up it should be less. Stales are still a bit high for my taste...

GG you run includes full Joel suite, so it should include all the things that are there.

However, I do have a lingering suspicion that some more corners can be cut to get stales lower. Anyways, for 15s blocks, not bad, IMHO.

Oh, well, then I guess it isn't RPC  :-X

Anyways, I also have a lingering suspicion it can be better somehow. That said, with 15s blocks it's close to solo.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 29, 2011, 04:51:31 PM
When will be COPY option ENABLED in GG client?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: btc-e.com on September 29, 2011, 04:52:25 PM
Started trading on a pair of GG / BTC

Commission is 0.3% per transaction.

https://btc-e.com/gg_exchanger


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on September 29, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
When will be COPY option ENABLED in GG client?

Workaround:

type:

getnewaddress >address.txt

copy / paste from address.txt




Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 05:25:33 PM
When will be COPY option ENABLED in GG client?

It sort of is - windows "crutches" client allows you to copy and paste any text in the console, with the exact manner of doing so being determined by EDIT->Settings->Copy and paste


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Starlightbreaker on September 29, 2011, 06:16:55 PM
where can i check the total network hash?

1 block every 3 seconds seems..crazy.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 29, 2011, 06:30:14 PM
Trying to send GG
I get this error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
4 times, same error. Restarted client, nothing.

Is there a transactions size limit or something? Sending 10k GG in one go didn't work out but when I split the transaction into 2x5K it works.



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 06:35:52 PM
where can i check the total network hash?

1 block every 3 seconds seems..crazy.

It usually is 1 block every 15 but someone dumped a load of hashes on it it must be. Will take 20 s or so to adjust.

Trying to send GG
I get this error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
4 times, same error. Restarted client, nothing.

Is there a transactions size limit or something? Sending 10k GG in one go didn't work out but when I split the transaction into 2x5K it works.



So you can't send more than 5000 ? Odd, I'll look into that.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 29, 2011, 06:39:00 PM
Trying to send GG
I get this error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
4 times, same error. Restarted client, nothing.

Is there a transactions size limit or something? Sending 10k GG in one go didn't work out but when I split the transaction into 2x5K it works.



So you can't send more than 5000 ? Odd, I'll look into that.

Since all your coins are probably generated in 7 coin blocks, spending 10k coins will require a transaction with 1429 addresses at once. That's probably too large of a transaction.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Starlightbreaker on September 29, 2011, 06:39:42 PM
well, the simplecoin pool tripled in hashrate since yesterday.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 06:39:50 PM
Ah yesss, I decided not to mess with transaction code )


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: CosicMiner on September 29, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
where can i check the total network hash?

1 block every 3 seconds seems..crazy.

It usually is 1 block every 15 but someone dumped a load of hashes on it it must be. Will take 20 s or so to adjust.

Trying to send GG
I get this error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
4 times, same error. Restarted client, nothing.

Is there a transactions size limit or something? Sending 10k GG in one go didn't work out but when I split the transaction into 2x5K it works.



So you can't send more than 5000 ? Odd, I'll look into that.
Correct
Did some more testing and it seems limit is at 6000


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on September 29, 2011, 06:43:12 PM
where can i check the total network hash?

1 block every 3 seconds seems..crazy.

It usually is 1 block every 15 but someone dumped a load of hashes on it it must be. Will take 20 s or so to adjust.

Trying to send GG
I get this error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
4 times, same error. Restarted client, nothing.

Is there a transactions size limit or something? Sending 10k GG in one go didn't work out but when I split the transaction into 2x5K it works.



So you can't send more than 5000 ? Odd, I'll look into that.
Correct
Did some more testing and it seems limit is at 6000

Look at how large this transaction is:
http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/block/0000000001299df0a5c5a2cbe83f31f637a778987509a9e0ae4bf088aa89bd59


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 06:44:56 PM
Ya, dat might grow into a problem...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: doobadoo on September 29, 2011, 07:26:53 PM
where can i check the total network hash?

1 block every 3 seconds seems..crazy.

WOW thats fast, even every 15 seconds.  Why does bitcoin use such a long window (10 minutes).  I don't quite understand.  If GG can produce/verify several blocks a minute, why does it take btc 10 mins?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
where can i check the total network hash?

1 block every 3 seconds seems..crazy.

WOW thats fast, even every 15 seconds.  Why does bitcoin use such a long window (10 minutes).  I don't quite understand.  If GG can produce/verify several blocks a minute, why does it take btc 10 mins?

Long story.

Bitcoin has a different set of assumptions about threats and network. GG was made to see whether that envelope can be pushed.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: doobadoo on September 29, 2011, 08:40:37 PM

WOW thats fast, even every 15 seconds.  Why does bitcoin use such a long window (10 minutes).  I don't quite understand.  If GG can produce/verify several blocks a minute, why does it take btc 10 mins?

Long story.

Bitcoin has a different set of assumptions about threats and network. GG was made to see whether that envelope can be pushed.

Can you give me the short version of the long story if its too much...  10 minutes seems like too long.  Wouldn't BTC be better if it was 1 minute or less to confirm a transaction?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 29, 2011, 08:50:42 PM

WOW thats fast, even every 15 seconds.  Why does bitcoin use such a long window (10 minutes).  I don't quite understand.  If GG can produce/verify several blocks a minute, why does it take btc 10 mins?

Long story.

Bitcoin has a different set of assumptions about threats and network. GG was made to see whether that envelope can be pushed.

Can you give me the short version of the long story if its too much...  10 minutes seems like too long.  Wouldn't BTC be better if it was 1 minute or less to confirm a transaction?

There is tradeoff between centralization and block speed.

BTC was designed as "millions upon millions of peeps mine with cpus" not "everyone is gathered in 4-6 pools"

Also, you need damn precise clocking to mine blocks at such speed (that's why GG has a built-in NTP solution to, well, ensure good time across the net)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: btc-e.com on September 30, 2011, 07:14:06 AM
Started trading on a pair of GG / BTC

https://btc-e.com/gg_exchanger


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 30, 2011, 07:36:40 AM
The price is good but the difficulty jumps to more than 200!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 30, 2011, 08:13:43 AM
And still, most profitable chain!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on September 30, 2011, 08:27:47 AM
When will be COPY option ENABLED in GG client?

It sort of is - windows "crutches" client allows you to copy and paste any text in the console, with the exact manner of doing so being determined by EDIT->Settings->Copy and paste
Tried & got tired. It just selects & cant able to copy. Also changed settings in hotkeys..

Anyone can able to successfully copy address from GG client window using copy option?
besides Tenebrix interface is fantastic compared to GG.

I also face a strange problem. Clicking the GeistGeld_Portable_Cons.exe or TenebrixPortable.exe directly or with a shortcut don't always open the clietns.
Some times it takes 2-3 double clicks to open.
Is their any way to directly open the clients as in other client currencies?
It seems the portable software you used to create have some problems, which some times causes more clicks to open.

 


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 30, 2011, 08:46:49 AM
I copy it, by console window--> mark, then CTRL+C and voala.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 30, 2011, 09:09:48 AM
Yeap this is what I did too, a few seconds job, I don't see the fuss over it.

I copy it, by console window--> mark, then CTRL+C and voala.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on September 30, 2011, 03:03:39 PM
The information at allchain seems to indicate that GG is the second most mined coin, wonder how long will it maintain this position or any chance of overtaking bitcoin which is extremely far ahead.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kjlimo on September 30, 2011, 04:47:56 PM
The information at allchain seems to indicate that GG is the second most mined coin, wonder how long will it maintain this position or any chance of overtaking bitcoin which is extremely far ahead.

2nd most mined?  how do you calculate that?  Are you going by the number block it is on?  I think that's not a measure of "most mined."  I think "most mined" means has cummulatively had the most hashing power allocated to it.

For that, you need to include the target rate at which a block is solved. 

BTC is every 10min
Solid coin is every 3min
Ix & I0 & nmc are 10min?
gg is 15 seconds?

Once you adjust the block count to be on a constant interval, then you'll be able to rank those amounts to determine the "most mined" cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Moray on September 30, 2011, 05:51:43 PM
Cycle changed to 2016? Naah, most likely allchains.info got bugged ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Tereska on September 30, 2011, 07:33:20 PM
i'm stuck @ 99 block. no other blocks are downloaded
what could I do??


{
    "version" : 36977,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 99,
    "connections" : 8,
    "proxy" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "difficulty" : 1.00000000,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "Likely to be Geistnet?" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1317408941,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""
}


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 30, 2011, 08:27:58 PM
"Likely to be Geistnet?" : false,
^^
You've borked the config thing somehow

OS ?

Any details as to how you run it ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Tereska on September 30, 2011, 08:42:21 PM
OS: ubuntu 11.04
build (daemon only): make -f makefile.unix bitcoind

config:

tereska@U1104:~/.geistgeld$ more geist.conf
rpcuser=xxx
rpcpassword=xxx
rpcport=8336
daemon=1
paytxfee=0.00
portsend=7769


---
i'm running it as ussual:
./bitcoind
(started) it downloads 99 blocks and thats all....


please help


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 30, 2011, 08:46:05 PM
I think you did forget to create a .geistgeld folder in your home directory and put the config there :)

Checkout the readme in git, and/or the linux walkthrough at geistgeld.org :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Tereska on September 30, 2011, 08:47:30 PM
for what .tenebrix is? where i can find info about that?
i have only ~/.geistgeld folder


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Syke on September 30, 2011, 08:47:46 PM
You need to use the right conf file. You can't just create it.

https://github.com/Lolcust/GeistGeld/blob/multimergemine2/geist.conf


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 30, 2011, 08:50:15 PM
for what .tenebrix is? where i can find info about that?
i have only ~/.geistgeld folder

Not tenebrix, .geistgeld - that was a Brain-O which I didn't edit away in time.

This thing needs Specialsauce Config to be in the ~/.geistgeld (it keeps half its guts in the config)

You can check out the walkthrough for linux here http://www.geistgeld.org/get-started.html


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Tereska on September 30, 2011, 08:53:06 PM
with geist.conf provided all is ok
thanks


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on September 30, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
sweet taste of victory :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on October 02, 2011, 04:23:12 PM
It seems still some asses don't want to move.

http://i53.tinypic.com/x5xugh.jpg


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on October 05, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
I am just curious what is the warning about the NTP for?  Is it something we should configure?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Lolcust on October 05, 2011, 08:00:34 PM
Warning about NTP means that you are best to restart - most likely, you've merely got a shitty NTP server talking to you (I find the "ntp=0 crowd strikes again" to be somewhat implausible at this point), but better safe than sorry.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: jonboy009 on October 06, 2011, 07:03:01 AM
Using simplecoin to pool mine my GG coins.

were in the portable software can I find my GG address.

I setup one using the getnewaddress and added it to simplecoin.

moved some mined coin out of simplecoin but it is not showing when i use getbalance.

am I doing it worng?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 3phase on October 10, 2011, 06:53:42 AM
Getting transaction error:
Code:
user@miner:~$ ./ggd sendfrom "" .... 10000
error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
(address removed from paste)
The same thing happens with sendtoaddress  command
my getinfo:
Code:
{
    "version" : 36977,
    "balance" : 10095.36637813,
    "blocks" : 149802,
    "connections" : 8,
    "proxy" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "difficulty" : 34.51992560,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "Likely to be Geistnet?" : true,
    "keypoololdest" : 1318209102,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""
}
Been mining solo for a few days, with properly forwarded ports.
I tried to recompile the daemon, but the error remains.
I tried to change the transaction fee to 1 GG and to 10 GG but nothing again.

Any ideas?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ArtForz on October 10, 2011, 07:21:52 AM
Getting transaction error:
Code:
user@miner:~$ ./ggd sendfrom "" .... 10000
error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
(address removed from paste)
The same thing happens with sendtoaddress  command
my getinfo:
Code:
{
    "version" : 36977,
    "balance" : 10095.36637813,
    "blocks" : 149802,
    "connections" : 8,
    "proxy" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "difficulty" : 34.51992560,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "Likely to be Geistnet?" : true,
    "keypoololdest" : 1318209102,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""
}
Been mining solo for a few days, with properly forwarded ports.
I tried to recompile the daemon, but the error remains.
I tried to change the transaction fee to 1 GG and to 10 GG but nothing again.

Any ideas?
10000 at once is too much.
Assuming your inputs are block rewards (7 GG each), you're trying to create a transaction with 1429 inputs.
each input is ~230 bytes -> that'd be a ~330kB tx.
Stock client refuses to create transactions > 100kB.
So if all you have are generations, either do 3000GG or less at a time, or if it has to be a single tx send to yourself first to consolidate your generations into a few bigger outputs.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dishwara on October 10, 2011, 07:22:50 AM
Why the interface GUI for GG is very different from other currency clients?
Tenebrix has a nice interface which is very easy to send & receive coins.
While in GG client it is very hard to use every option.
Every time we have to wait & check with getinfo whether we got NTP connection or not.
Also to check balance have to use getinfo & cannot copy address that easily.
Also no address book to see stored address.
While the default bitcoin has all these facilities, why GG for windows created & forced to use commands instead of GUI?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 3phase on October 10, 2011, 08:02:04 AM

10000 at once is too much.
Assuming your inputs are block rewards (7 GG each), you're trying to create a transaction with 1429 inputs.
each input is ~230 bytes -> that'd be a ~330kB tx.
Stock client refuses to create transactions > 100kB.
So if all you have are generations, either do 3000GG or less at a time, or if it has to be a single tx send to yourself first to consolidate your generations into a few bigger outputs.

Thanks a lot, I should have thought so. Then again, I had never experimented with such a big transaction. Good thing to have in mind with all the alt chains.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on October 14, 2011, 02:48:20 PM
I have collected thousands of GG coins as it was fun to mine, but the pricing at BTC does not look too appealing, wonder if the developer has any plan for this coin.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 3phase on October 14, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
I have collected thousands of GG coins as it was fun to mine, but the pricing at BTC does not look too appealing, wonder if the developer has any plan for this coin.

Yeah, no one will ever do a 51% attack on Geist, as there is simply nothing to double-spend on  :D. Heck, there's nothing to simple-spend on either !!!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on October 15, 2011, 09:45:54 AM
Is GG dead now?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on October 15, 2011, 09:55:34 AM
I don't mind it anymore, I checked on the BTC exchange no buyers, a bit discouraging.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: MaGNeT on October 15, 2011, 09:23:13 PM
It's alive!  ;D

Still trading!

edit: I started mining them again  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on October 30, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Got the source downloaded to my Ubuntu machine and compiled it successfully. Started the daemon and it started to download the blocks, but it stopped at 99.

Any ideas why?

Getinfo shows:

{
    "version" : 36977,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 99,
    "connections" : 10,
    "proxy" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "difficulty" : 1.00000000,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "Likely to be Geistnet?" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1319965096,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""
}

Is the item "Likely to be Geistnet?:" supposed to be false?

PS: and yes, my date/time is synched via NTP.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on November 02, 2011, 11:46:49 AM
anyone?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: 3phase on November 02, 2011, 12:57:27 PM
anyone?


The "Likely to be Geistnet?:" should be true. Try recompiling and using the default geist.conf without any changes, it should be OK.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: K.A.T on November 08, 2011, 10:57:53 AM
Hi,

I want to try this out. It seems strange though.... After all the configs are done... When the file "GeistGeld_Portable_Cons" is running it seems it is connecting to the server... Do I need also the regular GUI miner that came with files running also ?

Where do I know the hashing speed and how many coins rewarded are there ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on November 08, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
Just type "getinfo" on the console.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on November 09, 2011, 02:29:16 AM
anyone?


The "Likely to be Geistnet?:" should be true. Try recompiling and using the default geist.conf without any changes, it should be OK.

Thanks. Got it working. I shoudnt have changed it conf file too much.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: RandyFolds on November 09, 2011, 07:37:52 AM
this still exists?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on November 09, 2011, 08:14:34 AM
It still does.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on November 09, 2011, 09:48:28 AM
But the prices has dropped to near worthless :(


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on November 09, 2011, 02:27:05 PM
I guess thats the fate of most alt-chains these days.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on November 09, 2011, 06:33:23 PM
Not really, namecoin and litecoin is still doing quite decently.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: btc_artist on November 09, 2011, 06:42:10 PM
Does GG use GPU mining or CPU mining?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on November 09, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Does GG use GPU mining or CPU mining?
GPU, so yes you will lose money mining it ....


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: cablepair on November 13, 2011, 03:06:39 PM
Can someone give me a linux Geist Geld binary, I cannot get it to compile...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Ente on March 25, 2012, 09:19:47 PM
I am merge mining GG with around 200Mh/s. In the last 24h the balance reported by geistgeld-d getinfo didnt change at all. Blockcount does rise though (1016131). Diff is 0.936. Two connections. Whats up with that?
Also, The miner (cgminer) reports full speed, but p2pool merged mining randomly stays between 20 and 150 Mh/s. Which might or might not have anything to do with GG.

So, is GG still fully working? Is there a blockexplorer? I guess it takes the 120 confirmations for geists to be shown in -getinfo? Which should take less than half an hour anyway..

Ente


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: tiker on March 25, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
I've been merge mining GG with my p2pool and have been getting blocks although the number has dropped significantly in the past day or two.  Two connections and currently at block 1016444.

I sort of have a block explorer running for GG.  It hasn't updated GG in a few days now since I had to move GG off to another box due high loads causing problems with p2pool mining.

Edit:  I'm starting to think looking at the numbers that I've not received any credit in the last 24 hours as well. Updating my block explorer for GG to find out what's going on.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on March 25, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
The GG wallet is currently using 1.5GB memory on my Linux machine. Can someone adjust the code to reduce the memory consumption drastically otherwise it becomes unfeasable to run it in the near future.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: smoothie on March 26, 2012, 12:13:14 AM
The GG wallet is currently using 1.5GB memory on my Linux machine. Can someone adjust the code to reduce the memory consumption drastically otherwise it becomes unfeasable to run it in the near future.


Or you could stop using it altogether...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: marked on March 27, 2012, 03:24:32 PM
Or you could stop using it altogether...

Which appears to have happened. GG will be dropped from vircurex on April 14th.

marked


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on March 27, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
It seems to work fine with merged mining, so I am still mining it alongside bitcoin, namecoin, groupcoin, devcoin, ixcion, i0coin and rucoin.

It looks like it should be quite useful as a game-currency.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on March 27, 2012, 06:28:47 PM
It seems to work fine with merged mining, so I am still mining it alongside bitcoin, namecoin, groupcoin, devcoin, ixcion, i0coin and rucoin.

It looks like it should be quite useful as a game-currency.

-MarkM-


what game is that? "who can collect the most worthless coins?"


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on March 27, 2012, 08:03:24 PM
An ever increasing number of games, since unlike most game-currency this is one the players can take home with them so they can take in to another game.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 27, 2012, 09:51:04 PM
An ever increasing number of games, since unlike most game-currency this is one the players can take home with them so they can take in to another game.

-MarkM-


Why would the developers of the "another game" want that?

Still Bitcoin is equally good as a game currency and has the advantage of not being a dead currency.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Kumala on March 27, 2012, 11:20:58 PM
Or you could stop using it altogether...

Which appears to have happened. GG will be dropped from vircurex on April 14th.

marked


In just a few days the GG wallet's memory consumption went up from 1.5GB to 2GB. Something is happening in the chain, no way of being able to support it under these circumstances.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on March 30, 2012, 01:49:26 AM
I like GG but the problem is there seem to be no value left.   No point mining when you can buy tons for 1 BTC


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Ente on March 30, 2012, 08:23:35 AM
GG is more of a proof-of-concept and toy for bleeding edge ideas. No currency to be used for shopping. I already gained a lot by merge-mining GG. Not in $ or BTC, but in knowledge about that whole crazy mining, mergemining, protocols and real-life obstacles.
There seem to be a low number of active nodes, not? A pitty!

Ente


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Icoin on April 04, 2012, 08:37:58 PM
does someone have a GeistGeld for ubuntu 11.10 64bit binary avalable ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: tiker on April 04, 2012, 10:29:57 PM
32 bit?  yes....

but the block chain which loads into memory on Windows boxes is over 2gigs so windows daemon won't run any more.  Not sure if the 32-bit linux version has the same problem or not.  I stopped running it recently.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kjlimo on April 05, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
I like GG but the problem is there seem to be no value left.   No point mining when you can buy tons for 1 BTC

you won't be able to buy them soon.  Vircurex is removing them mid-April.

There are no other exchanges that I know of.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Ente on April 06, 2012, 12:08:55 PM
you won't be able to buy them soon.  Vircurex is removing them mid-April.
There are no other exchanges that I know of.

So, back to basics then? How about a two-year-revival of:

I'll pay 10,000 bitcoins geists for a couple of pizzas

Ente


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: bulanula on April 06, 2012, 12:18:09 PM
Oh, what a coincidence !

Lolcust has not logged on since 14 February and ArtForz since 15 February.

Why am I not suprised ::) ?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on April 06, 2012, 10:40:33 PM
Oh, what a coincidence !

Lolcust has not logged on since 14 February and ArtForz since 15 February.

Why am I not suprised ::) ?

Why am I not surprised that you still have no value in the content you post?  :P


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: cablepair on April 07, 2012, 01:40:00 AM
http://btcwebhost.com/images/bulanula.png


I have never seen this before, Bulanula why is your ignore highlighted like that? Is it some sort of special ignore status?


Seriously, I am not trying to be funny, I have never seen that before your Ignore is highlighted and others are not. Is it just me?

or does everyone else see that too?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: terrytibbs on April 07, 2012, 01:46:33 AM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: cablepair on April 07, 2012, 02:10:18 AM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.

LMFAO

has anyone seen that before?



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on April 07, 2012, 02:14:05 AM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.

LMFAO

has anyone seen that before?



Yes I have seen abnormally low IQ scores before. Bulanula is one of them.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: cablepair on April 07, 2012, 02:20:42 AM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.

LMFAO

has anyone seen that before?



Yes I have seen abnormally low IQ scores before. Bulanula is one of them.

lol, you guys are messing with me


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Cosbycoin on April 07, 2012, 02:21:10 AM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.

LMFAO

has anyone seen that before?



Yes I have seen abnormally low IQ scores before. Bulanula is one of them.

lol, you guys are messing with me

LOL can't put anything past you bro!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: cablepair on April 07, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.

LMFAO

has anyone seen that before?



Yes I have seen abnormally low IQ scores before. Bulanula is one of them.

lol, you guys are messing with me

LOL can't put anything past you bro!

I meant about the highlighted ignore button

thats the first time I have seen that

Bill Cosby would be proud


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: kano on April 07, 2012, 02:41:08 AM
...
I meant about the highlighted ignore button

thats the first time I have seen that

Bill Cosby would be proud
When I first saw it I too was 'what does it mean?' ... except having thought about it from your question, it probably means someone is already ignoring them and highlighting for us to do the same? :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Tittiez on April 07, 2012, 03:48:02 PM
Would anyone be so kind as to zip up the blockchain for me? I'm not in the mood to sit here a few days loading a million blocks.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: marked on April 11, 2012, 12:43:53 PM
It just means his IQ score is abnormally low.

LMFAO

has anyone seen that before?



There was a thread about "ignore" in one of the meta/off-topic topics. Theymos introduced it about 3-4 weeks ago.

MathewNWright has a dark orange colour as well. It darkens from light yellow, through deep yellow, to orange. Don't know if it goes further in colour.

marked


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: racerguy on August 06, 2012, 02:19:53 AM
Hi I'm necroman, is there any pool that still mines or mergemines this chain?  Does anyone mine it at all?  I'm prepared to throw a cpucore at it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: racerguy on August 06, 2012, 02:28:27 AM
Oh, what a coincidence !

Lolcust has not logged on since 14 February and ArtForz since 15 February.

Why am I not suprised ::) ?

I'm going to be honest with you here for real, you probably think the world's full of untrustworthy loudmouth asshole's (I can't see any other way you'd feel your behavior is justified).  The reason it seems that way is because that's what you really are and that's pretty much the only level you allow people to interact with you on.  Must be fun going through life somehow managing to coax the worst out of people all the time.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dree12 on August 06, 2012, 02:31:01 AM
Hi I'm necroman, is there any pool that still mines or mergemines this chain?  Does anyone mine it at all?  I'm prepared to throw a cpucore at it.
Why? If you need an alt-chain, use I0Coin. At least it has something going for it.

To answer your question, no. Nobody mines Geist Geld at all.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: racerguy on August 06, 2012, 02:56:54 AM
You say no like you know no one mines it but I don't think you do know.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: dree12 on August 06, 2012, 03:05:27 AM
You say no like you know no one mines it but I don't think you do know.
I'm being serious. Nobody mines Geist Geld.

If you need links, maybe I can give you a few:
This site (http://allchains.info/index.html) no longer lists Geist Geld.
This pool (http://simplecoin.us/) is down.
This exchange (https://btc-e.com/) no longer offers Geist Geld.
This block explorer (http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/) has an unresolved problem.

So yes, I do know that no one mines it.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on August 06, 2012, 11:50:35 AM
I merged mined it once upon a time, but had to stop as it screwed up the merged mining in general.

I tried again a week or two ago. It uses way more RAM than other chains, drives all the chains into over five second delays that mess up the p2pool merged mining for all the chains. I figured to do it I would need to put it on a totally separate machine from all the other chains, plus, it would need to be a big enough machine to run two copies, or I would need two such machines, so it would have someone to talk to so it could mine, since there were no connections out there to be found so I myself would have to run two so they could talk to each other. (The daemons wont mine if they have no connections.)

So if someone is out there mining it, they are doing so without incoming ports open.

And raking in all the coins like I used to.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Ente on August 06, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
So if someone is out there mining it, they are doing so without incoming ports open.

And raking in all the coins like I used to.

Of course everyone is interested to interconnect their daemons. If indeed there are several daemons out there not connnected to each other, that is in fact a chainsplit with several independent chains in existance. Once they connect to each other (or to the "real" network which might still be out there), all but the longest chain in existance vanish.
Maybe we should have a second look at how the peer discovery works..

Or, as the second possibility, MarkM is billionaire by now. GG billionaire, that is. :-)

Ente

(not implying that you are not aware of this, MarkM)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on August 06, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Well lets just say GeistGeld is the last on the list of coins to merged mine, not worth looking into until you already have bitcoin, namecoin, devcoin, groupcoin, ixcoin and i0coin all humming along nicely...

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Ente on August 06, 2012, 01:59:54 PM
Well lets just say GeistGeld is the last on the list of coins to merged mine, not worth looking into until you already have bitcoin, namecoin, devcoin, groupcoin, ixcoin and i0coin all humming along nicely...

-MarkM-


..and was the first (and only) one to throw out when I was experimenting with merge mining. For problems where I suspect the super-high blockrate of GG was negatively influencing all other chains, Bitcoin included.

Strange to see Lolcust vanished, though..

However it turns out to be: More Coins for you! :-)

Ente


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: coblee on August 06, 2012, 05:12:42 PM
Well lets just say GeistGeld is the last on the list of coins to merged mine, not worth looking into until you already have bitcoin, namecoin, devcoin, groupcoin, ixcoin and i0coin all humming along nicely...

-MarkM-


..and was the first (and only) one to throw out when I was experimenting with merge mining. For problems where I suspect the super-high blockrate of GG was negatively influencing all other chains, Bitcoin included.

Strange to see Lolcust vanished, though..

However it turns out to be: More Coins for you! :-)

Ente

I think Lolcust is still active on this board. He probably just stopped using his Lolcust account.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: fishy on July 10, 2013, 01:18:52 AM
Is this coin still alive?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: RandyFolds on July 10, 2013, 01:22:14 AM
Is this coin still alive?

Nah. It was gelded, so its entire line died out...


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ayayay on July 10, 2013, 11:11:20 PM
any chance this returns-- just as good as the other shitcoins


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: worldinacoin on July 11, 2013, 01:09:51 AM
I like this coin a lot, it is a pity to let it die, wonder can those who are interested, lets write to the developer and see if we can revive it?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on July 11, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
It is still running.

Like all the merged mined coins it is waiting for an up to date bitcoin with merged mining as a secondary chain patches applied so it can update to latest code...

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on July 17, 2013, 04:59:10 PM
Considering the sheer number of coins GeistGeld puts out per day its exchange rate is pretty high compared to some others that put out less per day:

http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc

That is measured in devcoins, which themselves have only yesterday or so started to adjust downward in a belated response to the fact devcoin rates on most web-based exchanges that are popular with bitcointalk folk have been a fraction of the devcoin rates prevailing in the tables and plots found at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Vlad2Vlad on September 12, 2013, 11:16:44 PM
Anybody wanna sell some Geist Gold coins?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ayayay on September 12, 2013, 11:47:46 PM
perhaps-- I first need the client updated


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on September 12, 2013, 11:57:46 PM
Does the price shown at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc look reasonable? (Those are in DeVCoins, of course, for granularity.)

Those prices aare intended for marking up or down based on whether one is offerign to sell or offering to buy of course but for say a million DeVCoins worth or a whole bitcoin's worth or something along those lines just a one percent markup might be reasonable.

(Usually the scripts that use those prices trade on three scales of market, using three different markups, with 1%, if available at all, as the lowest markup, on the largest of the three scales of market the scripts trade on.)

GeistGeld is of course XGG.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Vlad2Vlad on September 13, 2013, 01:49:10 AM
Does the price shown at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc look reasonable? (Those are in DeVCoins, of course, for granularity.)

Those prices aare intended for marking up or down based on whether one is offerign to sell or offering to buy of course but for say a million DeVCoins worth or a whole bitcoin's worth or something along those lines just a one percent markup might be reasonable.

(Usually the scripts that use those prices trade on three scales of market, using three different markups, with 1%, if available at all, as the lowest markup, on the largest of the three scales of market the scripts trade on.)

GeistGeld is of course XGG.

-MarkM-


So what does 14.89 mean?  How much GG (XGG) would I get for 1 BTC or 1 LTC?  Not sure if it trades in LTC or BTC.  Thanks!


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on September 16, 2013, 11:02:31 AM
Copied from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=230141.msg3165333#msg3165333 :

rsnel, GeistGeld is getting to need over 16 gigs of RAM or thereabouts, would you be able to upgrade it with I0Coin's nice new stuff so that all of a suddent it too will fit in little RAM and thus be accessible to many more people? There would be a lot of XGG in it for you if you can because the more RAM it takes the less people left who have enough RAM to run it, its difficulty is thus pretty darn low. So you can pick up oodles of them easy and likely improve their value a lot by doing such an update.

I did the 'dirty fix' on geistgeld (which I did on I0coin, before I developed a clean fix). I have removed auxpows from the blockindex. The client now uses about 550MB.

It breaks:
  • integrity checking of auxpows while loading the blockindex from disk at startup
  • getheaders (which is not used by Satoshi clients)

The code is not recommended, but it seems to work just fine. The 'on disk' format of the database is different, you must rebuild the blockindex if you switch between this version and the original geistgeld.

http://github.com/rsnel/geistgeld/



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on January 04, 2014, 10:12:22 PM
Okay, it works. Lets get some pools to give it a whirl eh?

Maybe Bitparking can give it a try again?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Ada_and_Alternative on January 14, 2014, 11:26:42 AM
Geist Geld resurrection? Are you serious?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: IYFTech on May 02, 2014, 01:34:28 AM
Did this ever get going again?  :)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: ayayay on May 02, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
not yet- client fixed--just need coin placed on exchange


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: IYFTech on May 03, 2014, 12:12:47 AM
not yet- client fixed--just need coin placed on exchange

Couldn't compile it on Xubuntu 12.04 - throws me:

make: *** [obj/auxpow.o] Error 1

How did you get it working?

Cheers.


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on June 04, 2015, 09:43:07 AM
not yet- client fixed--just need coin placed on exchange

Couldn't compile it on Xubuntu 12.04 - throws me:

make: *** [obj/auxpow.o] Error 1

How did you get it working?

Cheers.

I know, necromancy is never a good thing  ;)  I'd like to experiment with this client - but I get the same error as mentioned above when using  https://github.com/rsnel/geistgeld/   only I'm using 14.04. I believe it's because of the bdb version used, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have a pre-compiled NIX binary they would care to share?

Thank you  ;)


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on June 04, 2015, 11:25:01 AM
I have it working on Ubuntu 14.04, if you believe your problem is the BDB version used, you maybe should install the version that it does use?

A lot of old coins do not use the new BDB, heck some of them maybe do not use the latest Boost either. Nor latest QT for that matter.

Just install whatever packages the stuff you want to compile wants...

ldd isn't showing any BDB at all, so I guess I must have neglected to hack the makefile to make it link such things dynamically, so I do not know what version my build happens to be using. But whatever it was, I installed it using the normal Ubuntu get-and-install-packages system.

Do you have BDB 4 installed? I vaguely recall at least some of the old coins wanted that?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on June 04, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
Hi markm,

According to the git repo, it uses bdb 4.7 & I can't find a link for that on trusty. I tried using the --with-incompatible-bdb flag with v4.8, but it still failed with the same error.....all my other wallets compile with v4.8 no problem.

Any chance you could upload a copy of yours? sil vous plais? with cream on top?  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on June 05, 2015, 02:14:02 PM
Anyone......?


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on June 08, 2015, 12:45:11 PM
Hi markm,

According to the git repo, it uses bdb 4.7 & I can't find a link for that on trusty. I tried using the --with-incompatible-bdb flag with v4.8, but it still failed with the same error.....all my other wallets compile with v4.8 no problem.

Any chance you could upload a copy of yours? sil vous plais? with cream on top?  ;D

Worked it out, finally..... :)

Lots of stuff in that default geist.conf file.......if anyone has any addnodes - I'd be grateful  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 02, 2015, 04:52:01 PM
Ok then lets move GeistGeld discussion to GeistGeld's thread then...

-MarkM-


Good idea.

I've been looking at this thing again (I know, sucker for punishment), & I'm wondering if it's possible to change it's behavior with p2pool with a setting in the conf file? I won't pretend to understand what most of the code in that conf file do or mean.....or even maybe add something to the p2pool XGG merge mine startup syntax to make XGG less....."jumpy"? Not sure if that's possible though, looking through the p2pool commands......


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 04, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
I refuse to let this beat me...... :P


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: markm on July 04, 2015, 09:08:36 PM
Right now I still have GeistGeld running on one or both of DVCstable01.DVCnode.org and DVCstable02.DVCnode.org so put them in as addnodes for now.

Soon though I hope to upgrade those machines which will mean everything on them going offline for a while. Maybe even both at once as gettign anything at all done to those machines takes forever so I might get them all done at once when it finally gets done.

I also have it running on CrossCiv.no-ip.org and UFBSH.no-ip.org ready for when the DVCstable nodes go down.

But so far the UFBSH one has no open ports because the router there apparently isn't fooled by socks tunnels into thinking a remote browser is actually in the building so I cannot set up its router until next time I am physically out there.

GeistGeld nodes are able to find one-another via IRC though. One hears that IRC servers don't allow coin nodes to meet on them but I guess that doesn't apply to all IRC servers or maybe not to all coins.

-MarkM-



Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 04, 2015, 10:09:37 PM
Hey markm  :)

Done - I'm seeing 6 connections buddy.

Well, so far it didn't jam up all the connection slots, even though it doesn't seem to be able to download the blocks fast enough....it's currently @ 1993623 & rising fast......giving the "bitcoind is downloading blocks......" error. Diff is jumping around the 50 - 150 level though, so something is working. Maybe. I'll let it run & hope the block download catches up before the connections run out....... ;)

edit:

"blocks" : 2152751
"difficulty" : 1318.96607892

By jove - I think this might work......... ;D

Down to only 4 connections now though.......


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 05, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
SUCCESS!!!  ;D

 "version" : 36977,
    "balance" : 623.00000000,
    "blocks" : 2535687,
    "connections" : 5,
    "proxy" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "difficulty" : 5288.85799923,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "Likely to be Geistnet?" : true,
    "keypoololdest" : 1436084912,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""

Once the blockchain had fully sync'd it immediately clogged up p2pool - but a quick wallet restart without touching p2pool cleared it. I'm now seeing merged mining work found, submitted & paid into the wallet for the first time!  ;D

Unfortunately, my btc share doa rate has gone crazy, but I'm gonna run with it for a while to see if it settles at a comfortable diff, then maybe it will calm down a bit. Thanks for putting up the extra nodes markm - seems that was exactly what was needed  ;D

edit: Bah......had to pull it from my node, it cluttered it up again. Damn, was so close..........


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 16, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Wait.........

http://i.imgur.com/shLpOcP.jpg

Back from the dead....Muuhhaahhaahhaaaaaahaha!!  ;D


Title: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld
Post by: Nasakiotoes on October 09, 2015, 01:03:27 AM
Hi all,

Would anyone want to enter geistgeld into the crypto bake off speed test? I'm curious how it would out.

Cheers