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Title: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Tomatocage on September 13, 2011, 01:26:42 AM With recent light being shed on BitcoinEXpress' true character, it's not unreasonable to draw some lines of similarity between him and CoinHunter. Whole CoinHunter might be bull-headed, BitcoinEXpress is a piece of s**t thief, stealing not only revenue from some of the Namecoin exchange operators, but he plans on stealing from everybody who currently owns Namecoins. And he claims to do it all in the name of "science" and to for the advancement of Bitcoin *cough*
Of course it doesn't take much to see through this thin veil of legitimacy and see what a complete douche tool he really is. So that's what brings us to this poll here. Who is more arrogant, BE or CH? Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: caston on September 13, 2011, 01:33:17 AM Yeah if you want to do a double spend attack do it on a testnet. I think namecoin has a testnet.
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Bobnova on September 13, 2011, 01:35:51 AM That's a really tough call.
CoinHunter knows what is best for us. BitcoinEXpress on the other hand is blatantly doing his best to screw people out of money and kill the only coin that has an actual use, and seems to think we should thank him for it. I think CH wins the arrogance competition by a nose, but BEX wins the douche award by a landslide. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 01:42:10 AM Coinhunter. Easily.
While BEX has quite an attitude from time to time, he appears to have the competence to back it up (took me a while to figure out why his improvement of my attack would work so damn well against NMC). And IMO while CEXes move is a pretty dickish one, it's the only good way to simulate a attack on bitcoin (whole system, not only network). Any other forkcoin would be pretty much SOL as they lack the size, devs and infrastructure to make for a good guinea pig. (e.g. saying "well, we'll just add a chain lockin" is easy, but so far no one actually tested how hard it'll be to get all major players on a large *coin to update). Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 01:59:46 AM Coinhunter. Easily. While BEX has quite an attitude from time to time, he appears to have the competence to back it up (took me a while to figure out why his improvement of my attack would work so damn well against NMC). And IMO while CEXes move is a pretty dickish one, it's the only good way to simulate a attack on bitcoin (whole system, not only network). Any other forkcoin would be pretty much SOL as they lack the size, devs and infrastructure to make for a good guinea pig. (e.g. saying "well, we'll just add a chain lockin" is easy, but so far no one actually tested how hard it'll be to get all major players on a large *coin to update). Competance is not only limited to being able to understand conceptual and pragmatic aspects of a block chain and the surrounding issues. Competence also applies to morals as well. Simply saying that this attack on namecoin is for "research and information" to better bitcoin but then also him claiming its purpose is to see how much of a defense namecoin can amass is contradictory. Testing and attacking and destroying are all difference concepts. So tell me this: 1. Why can't this test be used on i0coin or ixcoin instead? 2. Once you folks have rewritten history in the namecoin block chain who do you think will want to be a part of a block chain that has been dismantled and will likely be controlled by those who attacked it? (My answer is: No one.) Those who mine namecoins or bought into namecoins who are going to have their holdings vanish due to this attack (if successful) will likely not participate in that network anymore thus rendering the network useless and leaving a bad taste in users' mouths. Also why stop at rewriting the blockchain to block 10,000 and just rewrite it to block #2 instead? That way you can mine all of the namecoins and control every aspect of the namecoin network. Why not just screw everyone and not just the later adopters? I did also see that recently BitcoinEXpress posted a reply to Gavin's sticky note on this forum about how he thinks that Gavin warning people about alt-chains is in his (Gavin's) best interest and not others. Also if you follow BitcoinEXpress' postings he has advocated that he does not believe bitcoin or any other chain will succeed ultimately and thus could care less about the outcome of all cryptocurrencies currently. This is also a contradiction because recently, as stated above, he has claimed this attack is for the benefit of bitcoin. That is bullshit. This is the same guy who also claimed to have made 600BTC profit on ixcoins. This guy has claimed his intentions are purely for profit. He has never advocated that he wanted to better bitcoin or any alt-chain through testing, of which this "attack" is not a test but as he puts it "wanting to see how much of a defense namecoin supports can amass". One thing I can appreciate is that he did make this public. Thank you for that BitcoinEXpress. I'm sorry but rewriting over 9000 blocks as opposed to say 100 or 1000 or all 19000, is stupid. He isn't doing this for the research part of it. Purely if you look at his recent postings this guy is arrogant. What do any of us think he will likely do with the newly mined namecoins that are going to replace close to half of the currently existing namecoins? The answer is turn a profit. What he is claiming will happen about centralizing the domain name registering process is the opposite of the whole purpose of the cryptocurrency movement which is DECENTRALIZATION which obviously he has no appreciation for given that he wants to control the network any which way he can. EDIT: Also by your statement you are saying that it is okay to have an attitude if you have competence which is untrue. No one should have this type of attitude and be considered righteous in doing what he is about to do. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:14:37 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this....
If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 02:18:14 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. The funny thing about his attack is he gets to pick the terms under the attack are being done, which puts him outside of the community effort of this or any other project related to bitcoin. If this was a community based effort in testing the network he would have allowed input from the entire community (mainly namecoin supporter) and then go from there. EDIT: Just because something can be done doesn't immediately make it right for anyone to do it. Example: His wife is giving birth to their first child. Someone in the hospital staff could say well we want to test a new elixir on the newly born child because it could be the cure for cancer for all of humanity and "it can be done so it should be done". Even if the hospital's motives are for profit there should be a way to protect against this... Guess it the concept is flawed altogether now huh. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: CoinHunter on September 13, 2011, 02:21:28 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. It's been known about since the start of Bitcoin, there are also test networks for such things. There is only one purpose for attacking "live" chains, and anyone defending them is pretty stupid in my opinion. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:23:21 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. The funny thing about his attack is he gets to pick the terms under the attack are being done, which puts him outside of the community effort of this or any other project related to bitcoin. If this was a community based effort in testing the network he would have allowed input from the entire community (mainly namecoin supporter) and then go from there. I thought I saw a 10 day warning and him calling out people to respond. Where are the people who should be responding? Being one invested in alternate currencies, I recognize the risk associated with that. This is just one of those risks. Keep in mind if he has 1 terre hash commited, then thats 1 terre hash less that will be mining bitcoins, so enjoy the lower difficulty for regular bitcoins! Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 02:23:54 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. It's been known about since the start of Bitcoin, there are also test networks for such things. There is only one purpose for attacking "live" chains, and anyone defending them is pretty stupid in my opinion. +1 Probably one of the few postings I agree with coinhunter on. But he is right there is only one reason and that is power/control/profit. Anyone who defends someone with such motives and actions is stupid in my opinion as well. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:28:34 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. The funny thing about his attack is he gets to pick the terms under the attack are being done, which puts him outside of the community effort of this or any other project related to bitcoin. If this was a community based effort in testing the network he would have allowed input from the entire community (mainly namecoin supporter) and then go from there. EDIT: Just because something can be done doesn't immediately make it right for anyone to do it. Example: His wife is giving birth to their first child. Someone in the hospital staff could say well we want to test a new elixir on the newly born child because it could be the cure for cancer for all of humanity and "it can be done so it should be done". Even if the hospital's motives are for profit there should be a way to protect against this... Guess it the concept is flawed altogether now huh. Alright, I agree that just because something can be done, it doesn't necessarily have to be done. That's why we have laws and such. But this is an unregulated decentralized process. And it needs to be tested if it's gonna survive the long run. Otherwise, some bigger fish is gonna come along and do the same thing, but be even more evil about it. Therefore, I will revise my statement that in an unregulated world, anything that can be done will be done. So it's better for us to experience it sooner rather than later so that we can fix it sooner rather than later.... Hopefully, that's better? It's not great, but I believe my intentions are for the greater good (irrespective of whether his are), heh. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: ArtForz on September 13, 2011, 02:30:18 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. It's been known about since the start of Bitcoin, there are also test networks for such things. There is only one purpose for attacking "live" chains, and anyone defending them is pretty stupid in my opinion. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: ElectricMucus on September 13, 2011, 02:30:29 AM I see this as sort of a popularity contest or a test for the statement "In a democracy if 51% decide to kill the other 49% it will happen".
..... the interesting thing is there might even be a reason for people to hate namecoin, being to get rid of it before the merged mining start.... a view of the hardcore fanatics or self-appointed defenders of the status quo. very interesting dynamics to say it in the words of a SA member: gold, comedy gold. 8) Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:34:26 AM My point is that we can't depend on good morals supporting the system, we need to rely on the system. If it has weaknesses, we need to figure out solutions rather than just complaining about the weaknesses.
If that takes someone "attacking" to build the next cryptocurrency that protects against it, then unfortunately that's natural selection... Another way to look at it is that all of the alternate cryptocurrencies are test grounds. Bitcoin's the only "true" cryptocurrency, for now... until someone builds a better one (that can withstand attacks). If the attacks protect bitcoin, then I guess bitcoin figured out something that keeps it safe (being first and bigger). As long as this is the only weakness of a newer cooler cryptocurrency, then we could all "agree" by switching to the better/cooler cryptocurrency. Otherwise bitcoin will continue to "win." Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 02:35:42 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. The funny thing about his attack is he gets to pick the terms under the attack are being done, which puts him outside of the community effort of this or any other project related to bitcoin. If this was a community based effort in testing the network he would have allowed input from the entire community (mainly namecoin supporter) and then go from there. EDIT: Just because something can be done doesn't immediately make it right for anyone to do it. Example: His wife is giving birth to their first child. Someone in the hospital staff could say well we want to test a new elixir on the newly born child because it could be the cure for cancer for all of humanity and "it can be done so it should be done". Even if the hospital's motives are for profit there should be a way to protect against this... Guess it the concept is flawed altogether now huh. Alright, I agree that just because something can be done, it doesn't necessarily have to be done. That's why we have laws and such. But this is an unregulated decentralized process. And it needs to be tested if it's gonna survive the long run. Otherwise, some bigger fish is gonna come along and do the same thing, but be even more evil about it. Therefore, I will revise my statement that in an unregulated world, anything that can be done will be done. So it's better for us to experience it sooner rather than later so that we can fix it sooner rather than later.... Hopefully, that's better? It's not great, but I believe my intentions are for the greater good (irrespective of whether his are), heh. The funny thing is that in about 250 block namecoin will be using merged mining. Now if there was no solution to the difficulty or security of the network then yes your comment above is correct. So how do you justify his timing of wanting to attack the network? The guy initially thought that merged mining would occur at block 25,000. So much for his competence on being up and up on the current status of the namecoin network huh. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:39:25 AM To be fair, if it can be done, it should be done, so that we can figure out a way to fix/ protect against it. Even if he's out there for profit, there should be a way to protect against this.... If not, then I guess we lose... time to go back to playing progressquest instead of bitcoin quest... Better to have one of our own attack us (and tell us about it), rather than some random and have us all very confused. The funny thing about his attack is he gets to pick the terms under the attack are being done, which puts him outside of the community effort of this or any other project related to bitcoin. If this was a community based effort in testing the network he would have allowed input from the entire community (mainly namecoin supporter) and then go from there. EDIT: Just because something can be done doesn't immediately make it right for anyone to do it. Example: His wife is giving birth to their first child. Someone in the hospital staff could say well we want to test a new elixir on the newly born child because it could be the cure for cancer for all of humanity and "it can be done so it should be done". Even if the hospital's motives are for profit there should be a way to protect against this... Guess it the concept is flawed altogether now huh. Alright, I agree that just because something can be done, it doesn't necessarily have to be done. That's why we have laws and such. But this is an unregulated decentralized process. And it needs to be tested if it's gonna survive the long run. Otherwise, some bigger fish is gonna come along and do the same thing, but be even more evil about it. Therefore, I will revise my statement that in an unregulated world, anything that can be done will be done. So it's better for us to experience it sooner rather than later so that we can fix it sooner rather than later.... Hopefully, that's better? It's not great, but I believe my intentions are for the greater good (irrespective of whether his are), heh. The funny thing is that in about 250 block namecoin will be using merged mining. Now if there was no solution to the difficulty or security of the network then yes your comment above is correct. So how do you justify his timing of wanting to attack the network? The guy initially thought that merged mining would occur at block 25,000. So much for his competence on being up and up on the current status of the namecoin network huh. Very sorry, I'm not up on the facts either. I haven't read up on merged mining yet. At least nothing that completely explained it to me yet. Agreed, timing could be crucial to this end and one more exception to my statement. So do you expect merged mining to bring back namecoins? Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 02:40:02 AM My point is that we can't depend on good morals supporting the system, we need to rely on the system. If it has weaknesses, we need to figure out solutions rather than just complaining about the weaknesses. If that takes someone "attacking" to build the next cryptocurrency that protects against it, then unfortunately that's natural selection... Another way to look at it is that all of the alternate cryptocurrencies are test grounds. Bitcoin's the only "true" cryptocurrency, for now... until someone builds a better one (that can withstand attacks). If the attacks protect bitcoin, then I guess bitcoin figured out something that keeps it safe (being first and bigger). As long as this is the only weakness of a newer cooler cryptocurrency, then we could all "agree" by switching to the better/cooler cryptocurrency. Otherwise bitcoin will continue to "win." Once again there is a solution in the immediate future of namecoin. As I asked, how is this attack justified given the merged mining concept is complete but not currently in action because of the block number chosen by the namecoin community? Funny how he conveniently chooses to attack namecoin right before the solution that has been implemented is to take place huh. Sounds like he isn't here to save us from an outsider who will attack the network but is in it for the control/power/profit part of it plain and simple. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 02:41:33 AM Very sorry, I'm not up on the facts either. I haven't read up on merged mining yet. At least nothing that completely explained it to me yet. Agreed, timing could be crucial to this end and one more exception to my statement. So do you expect merged mining to bring back namecoins? [/quote] It will solve the security problem in terms of the amount of terahashes pointed at it. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:43:42 AM My point is that we can't depend on good morals supporting the system, we need to rely on the system. If it has weaknesses, we need to figure out solutions rather than just complaining about the weaknesses. If that takes someone "attacking" to build the next cryptocurrency that protects against it, then unfortunately that's natural selection... Another way to look at it is that all of the alternate cryptocurrencies are test grounds. Bitcoin's the only "true" cryptocurrency, for now... until someone builds a better one (that can withstand attacks). If the attacks protect bitcoin, then I guess bitcoin figured out something that keeps it safe (being first and bigger). As long as this is the only weakness of a newer cooler cryptocurrency, then we could all "agree" by switching to the better/cooler cryptocurrency. Otherwise bitcoin will continue to "win." Once again there is a solution in the immediate future of namecoin. As I asked, how is this attack justified given the merged mining concept is complete but not currently in action because of the block number chosen by the namecoin community? Funny how he conveniently chooses to attack namecoin right before the solution that has been implemented is to take place huh. Sounds like he isn't here to save us from an outsider who will attack the network but is in it for the control/power/profit part of it plain and simple. Yep (see previous response). I agree now that he's a douche, cuz I'm sure he's aware of this merged mining thing. By the way, how's that gonna save namecoin? And if it was gonna save namecoin, why did they pick a block in the future? Did it need to coinicide with some difficulty change or something from a programing perspective? Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 02:47:05 AM My point is that we can't depend on good morals supporting the system, we need to rely on the system. If it has weaknesses, we need to figure out solutions rather than just complaining about the weaknesses. If that takes someone "attacking" to build the next cryptocurrency that protects against it, then unfortunately that's natural selection... Another way to look at it is that all of the alternate cryptocurrencies are test grounds. Bitcoin's the only "true" cryptocurrency, for now... until someone builds a better one (that can withstand attacks). If the attacks protect bitcoin, then I guess bitcoin figured out something that keeps it safe (being first and bigger). As long as this is the only weakness of a newer cooler cryptocurrency, then we could all "agree" by switching to the better/cooler cryptocurrency. Otherwise bitcoin will continue to "win." Once again there is a solution in the immediate future of namecoin. As I asked, how is this attack justified given the merged mining concept is complete but not currently in action because of the block number chosen by the namecoin community? Funny how he conveniently chooses to attack namecoin right before the solution that has been implemented is to take place huh. Sounds like he isn't here to save us from an outsider who will attack the network but is in it for the control/power/profit part of it plain and simple. Yep (see previous response). I agree now that he's a douche, cuz I'm sure he's aware of this merged mining thing. By the way, how's that gonna save namecoin? And if it was gonna save namecoin, why did they pick a block in the future? Did it need to coinicide with some difficulty change or something from a programing perspective? 1. it needed to be tested on solo miners and a pool. 2. All namecoin miners needed to be aware of the update giving them ample time to get the udpate prior to the release of merged mining. 3. Rushing things allows for mistakes as has been seen on the solidcoin network which Coinhunter has provided quick updates to. We all seen what happened to the quick development and not enough testing prior to launch/update. These three reasons are ample enough to debunk the claim that developers of namecoin are taking too long and are a "prime network for such an attack". Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kjlimo on September 13, 2011, 02:54:39 AM Gotcha, so I guess I gotta read up on merged mining to see what the heck that is and why it helps.
But ya, I'm sold (I even voted for BEX in the pole). This is a horrible time to mess with it. the only thing that could "save" it is an equal effort of hash power to get to that block faster than whatn BEX plans to attack it, yes? So as long as namecoin has some followers, they can succeed, yes? Namecoin miners, please unite and fight this bad man! If you don't start a "save namecoin" forum, then that's on you. He posted today that you have 10 days, so I'm sure it's possible to get some support, just ask... Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: doublec on September 13, 2011, 05:11:31 AM Keep in mind if he has 1 terre hash commited, then thats 1 terre hash less that will be mining bitcoins, so enjoy the lower difficulty for regular bitcoins! Nope, once he hits block 19,200 he can merge mine. This allows him to earn bitcoins and attack namecoin at the same time.Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: HolodeckJizzmopper on September 13, 2011, 05:19:18 AM CosbyCoin makes some valid points against BitCoinExpress' motivations, and the more I think about it, it seems that BitCoinExpress is using his personal 68 GHash/S and pledged ~1 THash/S to masturbate with Namecoin in some weird Bond-Villain sex fantasy.
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 05:21:36 AM CosbyCoin makes some valid points against BitCoinExpress' motivations, and the more I think about it, it seems that BitCoinExpress is using his personal 68 GHash/S and pledged ~1 THash/S to masturbate with Namecoin in some weird Bond-Villain sex fantasy. +1,000,000 Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 05:36:06 AM Keep in mind if he has 1 terre hash commited, then thats 1 terre hash less that will be mining bitcoins, so enjoy the lower difficulty for regular bitcoins! Nope, once he hits block 19,200 he can merge mine. This allows him to earn bitcoins and attack namecoin at the same time.We don't need nearly that much firepower and in reality, it is pledged. Now the even worse news. NMC has a lame network speed of less than 35 GH/s and the 51% mark is only is 17.51 GH/s. Most of the pledged pool will be from exactly that, from a pool operator with an axe to grind with Vinced, that has pledged to help. Even if the pool operator doesn't come through, by myself I could take NMC on and know for a fact I have another 50-60 GH/s of reliable partners. As ArtForz will tell you, this attack is doable at 25%, slow but doable. 51% gives us total control. Again I am sure ArtForz will verify if I wanted to be a dick, even by myself with 68 GH/s I could have done this silently in real time. Finally, we are going to run it way past 19200... ~BCX~ Wow the plot thickens. So this is also a plot against vinced as well? This is starting to sound like a kindergarten "my daddy will kick your daddy's ass" fight. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: doublec on September 13, 2011, 05:38:38 AM Most of the pledged pool will be from exactly that, from a pool operator with an axe to grind with Vinced, that has pledged to help. You jest, vinced hardly ever talks to anyone and waits weeks before sending responses. It'd take years to build up enough of a conversation to get a decent grudge going.Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: mrb on September 13, 2011, 06:02:46 AM Now the even worse news. NMC has a lame network speed of less than 35 GH/s and the 51% mark is only is 17.51 GH/s. No. You need to add 35 Gh/s to be at 50% of the total. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 06:15:45 AM BitcoinEXpress' actions are like using actual humans in a crash test of a particular model vehicle as opposed to using crash dummies.
"In the name of science I will destroy that which has value and has a solution on the way (merged mining) in order for the results to benefit bitcoin." Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: mrb on September 13, 2011, 07:07:19 AM Most of the pledged pool will be from exactly that, from a pool operator with an axe to grind with Vinced, that has pledged to help. You jest, vinced hardly ever talks to anyone and waits weeks before sending responses. It'd take years to build up enough of a conversation to get a decent grudge going."Nearly 1Th/s" you said this pool's capacity was? Only ArsBitcoin fits that description at currently 700 Gh/s. All other pools are either smaller or much larger. Unless it is a private pool... Or a larger pool who will commit only a fraction of its capacity... (Cue the "I told you so we shouldn't let the big pools control x% of the network"). Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: MrWizard on September 13, 2011, 07:25:38 AM Most of the pledged pool will be from exactly that, from a pool operator with an axe to grind with Vinced, that has pledged to help. You jest, vinced hardly ever talks to anyone and waits weeks before sending responses. It'd take years to build up enough of a conversation to get a decent grudge going."Nearly 1Th/s" you said this pool's capacity was? Only ArsBitcoin fits that description at currently 700 Gh/s. All other pools are either smaller or much larger. Unless it is a private pool... Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 08:13:08 AM I like the term "poison namecoins"
Reminds me of those pesky poison critters from Half-Life games. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Frozenace on September 13, 2011, 08:28:21 AM Quote Not me, but I do work for Apple in Cupertino LOL... BitcoinX, I'm sure your employer would approve. First thing about public relations is not to represent the people you're not allowed to represent. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: iopq on September 13, 2011, 08:34:45 AM Most of the pledged pool will be from exactly that, from a pool operator with an axe to grind with Vinced, that has pledged to help. You jest, vinced hardly ever talks to anyone and waits weeks before sending responses. It'd take years to build up enough of a conversation to get a decent grudge going."Nearly 1Th/s" you said this pool's capacity was? Only ArsBitcoin fits that description at currently 700 Gh/s. All other pools are either smaller or much larger. Unless it is a private pool... Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 13, 2011, 08:50:34 AM I think microsoft has a term for this. Its called stabbing the baby.
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kano on September 13, 2011, 11:24:34 AM Hmm - well the flaw in bitcoin is obvious and the band-aid is well known also.
Simply: put hashes directly into the client thus you have a point that people using the client cannot go back before since the new chain will fail the hash tests. Obviously anything after the last hard coded hash can be lost - but regular updates would help keep a lot of the chain safe. Or you could break the unwritten law and centralise those hashes somewhere :P Of course this can end up with two chains with the same root but of course everyone using the 'official' client will not take on the interloper unless they start after the last hard coded hash. My only question about 51% is - only adding 51% of the current hash power? I would have thought you would have had to have >50% of the total running hash power ... ... i.e. add >100% of current Coz just adding 51% gives you ~33.8% of course ... ... and I guess I better not point out a post I made when IXCoin started ... :P https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36218.msg452501#msg452501 meaning: go kill IXcoin - not namecoin You are already restricting your test to something less than the real thing - make that restriction a bit more and see if you can really do it with IX No need to kill a chain that actually does something (unlike IX, I0 or SC) (Yes I also think the joined mining thing is a bad idea: if your hash-chain is failing - con people from the strongest one? Seriously you don't think anyone will be unhappy about that? Well I will say that solution deserves what hate it gets ... and I'm sure if IX, I0 or SC did it, way more people would be unhappy about it) Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: joulesbeef on September 13, 2011, 04:51:50 PM I dont know why you dont look to prosecute. There are rules to how you expose flaws. You dont steal from a bank just to say "hey their is a flaw here" or you will go to jail. These guys are trying to hang on the idea that this currency is virtual and therefore doesnt have real value, much like wow gold and wow items, but wow gold isnt used to buy real life items. wow gold isnt traded on an exchange. People like bitcoin express are prosecuted for this kind of shit every day and if yall let him play hacker with impunity, then btc deserves to die.
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Lolcust on September 13, 2011, 05:00:11 PM I'd like to remind everyone that so far, bitcoin-police has not yet gained the ability to put people in jail
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Tomatocage on September 13, 2011, 05:11:23 PM I'd like to remind everyone that so far, bitcoin-police has not yet gained the ability to put people in jail LOL jail is the last thing I'd be worried about ;) Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: joulesbeef on September 13, 2011, 08:02:29 PM for sure the bitcoin police dont have the power, but if this guy is in the us or pretty much any western nation, he can be prosecuted.
There is a reason for the testnets, he chooses to be a douche and really he should pray for prosecution, you start to screw with peoples money, well you could be looking for bigger problems than prosecution. But hey he aint bitcoinexpress aint scared. He doesnt care how many people he makes lose money. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 13, 2011, 08:05:19 PM A lot of bickering going on in here.
More mining less complaining/bitching please. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: wallet.dat on September 13, 2011, 08:42:13 PM I have several Bitcoin exploit testnets They're called NMC, SC, I0S, IXC and Now Geist Geld.... Why would I want to fool around with networks that has no risk and no real security? Testing on a test net would be like a cosmetic developer testing on stuffed animals instead of the real thing! Sometimes you have to sacrifice a few rabbits, monkeys and dogs to get the perfect product people will buy! ;D ;D ;D I take it you haven't checked the SA forums lately. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: ElectricMucus on September 13, 2011, 08:50:21 PM I'd like to remind everyone that so far, bitcoin-police has not yet gained the ability to put people in jail Lets wait 2 years, and I'll bet even now, on tor there are some goons you can hire to beat someone a little ;)Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: memvola on September 13, 2011, 09:12:40 PM The guy initially thought that merged mining would occur at block 25,000. So much for his competence on being up and up on the current status of the namecoin network huh. Come to think of it, we probably shouldn't have mentioned it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43465.msg519585#msg519585). Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: SgtMoth on September 14, 2011, 04:02:45 PM why isnt this guy hunted down and thrown in jail with all the other trash????
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Lolcust on September 14, 2011, 04:07:24 PM Because "tunneling fists over TCP/IP" causes a crash ?
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: kano on September 14, 2011, 04:10:56 PM why isnt this guy hunted down and thrown in jail with all the other trash???? Well I suspect that as soon as someone loses a reasonable amount of money because of his actions - he will end up in such a predicament.But that's also assuming he can do what he touts himself able to do - which hasn't happened ... yet ... Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: wallet.dat on September 14, 2011, 04:25:08 PM Actually I have never check the SA Forums, enlighten me. Check your PMs. Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: shads on September 15, 2011, 02:54:03 AM BEX is by far the bigger c**t but he's got way more style than CH...
Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: Cosbycoin on September 15, 2011, 02:59:58 AM BEX is by far the bigger c**t but he's got way more style than CH... What style is that? Title: Re: Who is more arrogant? BitcoinEXpress or CoinHunter? Post by: memvola on September 15, 2011, 09:20:09 AM BEX is by far the bigger c**t but he's got way more style than CH... What style is that? Comic Sans |