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I don't know how many people got benifite from paid trading signal. Yes, there is best and legit trading signal. But it's very rare. Most of them are smart scammer or silent scammer. It's normal that if any one have huge paid member's on his group. He can simply give signal to buy some coin. Because they will give signal only single exchange. Once they give signal people start buy. Then automatically price will go up. Then who is give signal they sold their coin on good price. Yes that time may be some people get profit and some people can loss. Those are in loss, they think our bad luck so we loss. No it's not only loss it's one kind of scam. Signal giver show success by those are on profits. Specially on day trade happened this kind of scam.

We get scam because we are very lazy. We didn't try to research or analyse crypto market. We only depend on other.

My question is if some one know whice coin will pump then why they need get paid for signal ? Why they didn't trade huge themself? Because they are not sure. Main reones to get paid for signal is pump a coin and get profit.

My suggestion is even you pay for signal, you should research yourself too. They just make fool us.

Well here you have the reasons and I think these lazy people deserve it. Brain dead people are no useful for the community.

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Im always skeptic towards signal groups in general.
 
Probably because the coin they want to pump doesnt got the volume btc wise to sell off there bags.
Paid signals are for the signal giver easy side profits.

I don't think it's smart at all, people are just too dumb and lazy which is why they fall for this kind of tricks.
You don't even know who are the people giving out signals and how the hell did they get it so how could you trust them?  :-\


I doubt that they know it LOL. Well that could also be the reason why they can't trade by themselves but I believe it's more on money problems as they don't have the amount necessary to create a "short pump" which is why they are using other people's money instead. To put it simply, the members will unknowingly create a way for the owners to earn more money by sacrificing their own.

Absolutely. You got the right point. They just want to pump a coin. Then they can get profits. They just use us. May be some of us get profits and some of us got loss.

yes, OP needs to move this thread to Trading Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=8.0) subforum

most of these so called signal groups are actually pump 'n dump groups in disguise
have you wonder why they give signal on altcoin that only recently started getting more trade volume?
they initated the volume increase and needed victims to unload their coins :P

The people in the bump and dump groups are going to be the victims of the manipulators who looks to manipulate the market will just initiate those desired movement.But actually no one can provide the signal about what will happen in the crypto field so never trust them and never pay to those groups too.

There is huge diffenrece betwin pump and dump group and singal group. Signal groups most often are too small to pump coin. They also put signal randomicaly. Users buy when they see this signal what can be 5min - 10 h after signal. Thats the other reason why singal groups are not pumping in short term. That is also rison why they sell vips to get profit (they are too lame to earn on market - thats how poor their signals are)

Pump and dump groups members knows exact day and hour of signal days beafore to prepere for pump. There are people waiting to buy 1-5 sec after signal and sell 5-10s after or loose money. they know about risk. Investors participating have loots of strategies. Buy fast/ buy for second wave/ trade on big variabiliti after pomp. Some of them works sometimes some of them hardly ever but leaders wins allwais becouse they know which coin will be pumped and are dumping their coins on members.


Do not confuse pump and dump groups with signal groups.

I have actually had great success using paid signals. Only low volume coins can be pumped and dumped like that. When signals are provided, you can see average daily volume on coin market cap, and also the trading volume for the coins signaled on the exchange...

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Theoretically those groups don't really pumo anything they make profits from everyone. What i mean is first they take a membership fees so that people can join their stupid pump group , then they buy the coin at a cheap price and tell the users to pump the same coin , when they start pumping it instantly get's dumped by the admins

The real losers are the person who paid to join this group lol

Most of the crypto traders understand your point and what you are trying to say. I am sure that the experienced traders won't fall for this trap.
I don't believe in signals in either as I think that one should do his own research before investing in any coin. Why should be blindly trust others while we can be sure from our own researches? Why to pay for some stupid signals which might lead in a loss ? If at tall the signals were true then the admin would already have made more money out of it.

To answer your question why these so-called trading signal experts won't trade huge amount of money is because most of the time, the coin that they choose are those that are low in value and is not really on a high trend. They tend to give the signals to their channels, claiming this one will give a lot of profit, so that the group members can buy the said coin, increase the demand and the price and they eventually exit the trade and reap the largest profit from buying it at the lowest. Most of these trading signal channels are just pump and dump groups using trading signal experts as a facade. Don't pay attention to them.

It has become a real plague. In almost every corner of the internet you see people act like they made a ton of money with forex, and that they are soon to become a millionaire. It has become so funny, that they all seem to have some sort of the same story, which might indicate that they are instructed by one person or business to use that as their sales pitch. They are mostly all school dropouts, had very little money prior to these signals, etc. Always ask yourself this question, if someone is stating that he/she is making a ton of money, and they are looking to sell you $20 signals or courses, then know that it's pure bullshit. Technically there is nothing wrong with selling signals or courses, but it all comes down to how they are being advertised and presented.

Yes this is so true that the trading signals become scam and there are a lot of peoples doing this. They charge some fee for giving signals and they give us fake signals, some are provoke us to be a part of a pump group in alt coins and we missed all signals and losses our money as well. my personal experience is very bad in pump group and signals as well.

most of trading signal are pump and dump delivered by some malicious community.
I never want trust these info because despite there is a potential return some one will lose hard because market altered. Some times ago I have seen a group on telegram about these info.
Most of signals came after a lot of coins are ready to be dump out! So only admins of this group get the real advantage of this signal!

Experienced traders or persons would able to spot it out but for beginners they do easily being fooled out due to their greediness where they do neglect other peoples advice and decide to invest or bought a particular coin that had been mentioned.Trying to look at even at a chart or volume history or stats you will able to find out if its being bought on purpose or not. Trading signal scams are not new anymore yet they do exist for quite long now.

They cant do it themselves because they need money to do that! And to pump the crypto currencies heavily one does need lot of money depending upon the market cap of that coin.

So why would they waste their money if something goes wrong! Thats why they start this activity in a group of people who are willing to pump the coins in exchange with greed of getting profits. Lol.

But mostly the people who are behind the project will get benefited as they known when to sell exactly as they have nothin to loose.

Why do people pay people to give a trading signal which is not sure to happen but just a forecast. Trading signals can't make you rich,if it can, the owners wouldn't sell it. The only holy grail is your own analysis backed by a research on the coins you wish to trade.

I don't trust those trading signals of a things i have once fell into the trap and learnt from it it is cheap manipulation for crypto baby who knows nothing about crypto.

Almost all signaling groups are a way to entice new investors to buy so news people will put up selling coins that they have bought for a long time. This is the way many news groups nowadays, if you join and invest in newsgroups, you are becoming prey to them.

Most of my profitable trade are as a result of my own diligent research and since then I have vowed to always review project on my own taking some important information into consideration. This has helped me to reduce loss on trade greatly.

We should not only rely on trading signals alone, there are times that its not appropriate to use that we need to take considerations more of what is happening in news same with the status of the market.

Don't go for the trading signal. Those all are a scam, and they make people fool. I have experienced it. When I was starting a trade, I was looking for signals, because I knew trade signals are beneficial. Then I joined in two telegram group. That signal was for cryptopia and binance. I was just shocked how they took profits from the people like us. After that, I never followed trade signals. So, I would suggest you, try to learn yourself, read senior traders post from here or anywhere. But don't go for the message. Good Luck.

Good for you because you do your own analysis but unfortunately, there are many people who thought that crypto is a get rich quick scheme that's why they participate in those groups that give signals and even pay to get them but eventually getting rekt because they just depend on the admin of the group. There may have been some groups that are the exception to this but most of them just take advantage of their members or subscribers to get profit. I have seen some though that show a chart and suggest a buy or sell level but why pay for it when you can see a bunch of it in twitter posting their TAs.


I admit that I was one who joined the signals group before and even paid for it but I learned my lesson because instead of gaining, I am losing always late to buy the coin resulted to being dumped so I just do my own charting now and analyze coins that has potential. The one who are following those signals will only learn their lesson when they lose and experience it themselves.

why not? believe it or not those trading signals or other crypto related signals are still verry useful because they can provide us an appropriate signals whenever or wherever they see a news or a sudden price change from the market of crypto. these signals are built only for one purpose and that is to help our fellow crypto enthusiast to make their lives more easy .

Yet we should also be aware that there are also scams  , mostly you can get scam in the form a paid subscription  . That is why much better if you can avoid these kind of signals that offers premium or paid subscription because they can be oftenly prone to scams

Why joining in that kind of signals, the reason is they gave a coin from itself and you wait for it to pump and its your choice to make a research and when you will sell in your position. I have found this signals not actually a scam, it is more on strategy so that when they got many followers to that coin the coin will suddenly go up and the new traders is more probably to crash because of lack of knowledge.

I do have bad opinion towards trading signals but there are very few signal provide which seems to be legit. I think their fees is very high in the market. Don't fall for all the signal provider it might help you to loose your money. So we have to be very careful with the signal providers.

Yes most of the kriptocurrancy traders understand what you mean and what you want to say. You are sure that experienced traders will not fall for this trap. You do not believe in good signals because I think that someone should do some research on their own before investing in coins. signals to their channel, claiming it will give many advantages, so group members can buy the coins, boost demand and price and they end up getting out of the trade and get the biggest profit from buying it at the lowest. Most of these trade signal channels are just groups of pumps and dumps using trade signal experts as facades.

Yes that is true, sadly there are a lot of people who are trying to buy signals packages and they end up losing a bunch of money because of that (a friend of mine got scammed like this)

I do advice people to trade by analyzing the market themselves and be able to to learn through experience on how to invest and buy cryptocurrencies and sell them at the right time.  Signal provider make they money selling the signal to they customers and your success depends of if the market favour you. 

If they were so good at trading they didn't need to create a group and asking people money to join it , I never trust any of them , no matter how good they are .

For trading signals, it is much better if you understand technical analysis than relying on others, since at the end, it will be your own risk, though trafing signals are great for notifying you what is happening with the market, you still need to understand the volatility of it, there is no way in which you could predict the.market is making a break through, the same goes with trading signals, it doesn't predict anything, it will just notify you, but it is not a guarantee that it is a good time to enter, just make.sure to only rely on yourself Nd your experiences, since it will only benefit you for a long term, which is a good thing.

There are a lot of people who really think that signals are good enough and profitable, but they are not.
You need to be serious about it, because most of them are pump and dumps.

You would need to get rid of the fake sites and scammers are those who betray and clinch all your wealth in the form of investment. Google and many other social media communicating systems have removed these scammers up to large extent but still exist in the market.

Now be aware of such places and think 10 times before making any decision as this is the place you need to have knowledge ad handle your trading and investment so that you may get benefit and profit.

I don't how trade signal works. But it seems to me that if you are trading your bitcoins or altcoins, there is no definite time frame to trade it to it maximum potential. It's just up to the trader on how will he profit into the trading.

our decision to follow the premium signal should understand the risk that they are not always right, but as long as I follow it, the profits generated are the majority and it's not a complicated issue, all signals can be useless when the market is downtrend, that's where we should take decisions, not all the signals that appear should be followed, we must have own logic in doing so, they are just a support tool.

Then why people are still falling for this kind of trap when we can used our own logic, make a decision and not totally rely on them? The reason? they think that they can earn a lot of money without exercising too much of their brain. LOL. I don't know but its already 2018 so I'm still quite surprise to see members still being suckered by this so called trading signals or pump-and-dump groups. They are totally scam and the promise profit will not be realized in matter of days and months.