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Title: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB
Post by: wizkid057 on January 31, 2014, 03:16:10 AM
Please see our website (http://eligius.st) for all the latest details.
Members are encouraged to hang out on our IRC channel (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23Eligius).

To use, just point your miner to stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 (or http://gbt.mining.eligius.st:9337 for GBT) with username set to the bitcoin address you want paid.

WARNING: Generations won't show up on your Instawallet, BTC-e, or many web-based wallet balances, so make sure you use the address of a standalone client, blockchain.info, or another wallet that has been confirmed to work with generation payouts.

If the pool has problems, call 1-877-281-POOL (7665) (or, from outside the USA or Canada, call +1 818-688-POOL (7665))

Donations for pool may be sent to: 1E1igiusfEjs1pCaGjEERExE9gYcrFwow7 (bitcoin:1E1igiusfEjs1pCaGjEERExE9gYcrFwow7)



BFGMiner (http://www.bfgminer.com/): bfgminer -o stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -O YourAddress




Note: This thread is continued from the previous thread found here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23768.0) This new thread is a self-moderated thread.  I will try to refrain from utilizing this, however, unless obviously necessary to maintain on-topic and accurate information in this thread.  I will also make it a point to note in this thread any time I must delete a post and why.


Title: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on January 31, 2014, 03:16:22 AM
Frequently Asked Questions

  • Q. How are NMC payouts done? Are there any NMC stats?
    A. NMC payouts are done infrequently as time allows at the discretion of the pool operator.  Minimum payout is 0.1 NMC.  There are no stats for NMC.  Since NMC has been suffering a slow death, I'm not inclined to waste resources on coding for NMC stats.

  • Q. How much is 105% NMC PPS?
    A. For every accepted share you submit to the pool you are rewarded (50/current_namecoin_difficulty)*1.05*work_difficulty NMC, where current_namecoin_difficulty is, obviously, the current namecoin block difficulty and work_difficulty is the difficulty of the work your miner is doing for Eligius (generally 4, 8, 16, 32, etc, depending on your hash rate).

  • Q. How do I set a payout address for NMC (or other configuration options)?
    A. You use the My Eligius Control Panel (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/mystats.php) to set your options.  You must use a bitcoin client or wallet provider capable of signing messages with the address you use as your Eligius username.  Instructions for doing this with Bitcoin-Qt are available here (http://eligius.st/~capa66/utl/my_eligius/index.html)






To be updated as needed


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on January 31, 2014, 03:22:49 AM
(reserved)


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: matt4054 on January 31, 2014, 03:33:48 AM
Question to inaugurate the new thread: is there any way (i.e hidden API or anything) to track NMC earnings?

I have set my address in My Eligius yesterday but I didn't see anything show up in the stats or wherever. Haven't found anything in the FAQ either. Thanks!


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on January 31, 2014, 03:34:54 AM
Question to inaugurate the new thread: is there any way (i.e hidden API or anything) to track NMC earnings?

I have set my address in My Eligius yesterday but I didn't see anything show up in the stats or wherever. Haven't found anything in the FAQ either. Thanks!

Currently not, although it is on the TODO list.  NMC payouts currently just happen roughly once per day.

(Perhaps I should do an FAQ in my reserved post above, with this being the first! :)


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on January 31, 2014, 03:44:06 AM
Question to inaugurate the new thread: is there any way (i.e hidden API or anything) to track NMC earnings?

I have set my address in My Eligius yesterday but I didn't see anything show up in the stats or wherever. Haven't found anything in the FAQ either. Thanks!

As an option for periodically checking your NMC earnings without having to run a Namecoin wallet constantly, you can search for your NMC address here:

http://explorer.dot-bit.org/


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on January 31, 2014, 05:21:48 AM
I like the FAQ idea, and the reserved posts for you and Luke-Jr. That should make information dissemination easier, and maybe cut down on some of the stupid questions (don't mean those posted regarding NMC stats posted right after this thread was started - those are good). While I'm not a fan of double posting and redundant work, perhaps a short blip taken from your site regarding your payment system may be useful, since I'm sure there are those who hear about your pool, join it, and are then confused about their payouts. Just kicking ideas around, though. Might save people from constantly saying, "Go read the description on the site!" Nevertheless, I like the FAQ, since when the time comes and I have a stupid question, the answer may be right there in front of me. ;)

I meant to mention this at an earlier date, but it was when you (WK) were working you ass off resolving the problems from last weekend or whenever that was, but do you, or anyone else, know if it was a specific batch from KnC that was causing users problems on your pool? I have an October Mercury, but I run several BFL units as well. I switched the KnC over first to check out your pool and used the standard URL/Port info using BFGminer 3.4.0 that was embedded in BertMod 3.0. I never experienced any problems whatsoever. In fact, since that was my test run and it all went so well, I switched all of my miners to Eligius. At some point I went to your actual homepage, and only then saw the info about KnC miners using the other port (after 3-4 days of testing, I think). Never had an issue there, obviously. My KnC died about 9 days ago, and I should be putting it back online tomorrow, if all goes according to plan. Is there any reason why I can't, or shouldn't, run that miner on the standard 3334 port? Of course if I notice issues on my end, I'll switch, but I also ask because I don't know enough about the background that led to your efforts of setting up a separate port for KnC users. Basically, I want to be sure that if I were to set it to the standard port that I wouldn't be potentially causing issues for the pool and other miners. (See, stupid question! lol) In seriousness, I don't know, and don't want to cause any problems. I'll likely go ahead and set it to the KnC designated port, but am simply curious. If the response requires an answer as long as this post (I always write like this, so my apologies to anyone why sticks with one of my posts all the way to the end), don't waste your energy on a detailed response. I won't be offended if this goes unanswered. I can always dig through the old thread when I have an hour or two to spare. If it's an easy response, I'd be grateful to have it. Again, don't expend much energy on me, since I can instructions already given.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: OleOle on January 31, 2014, 06:19:04 AM
I'm happy to see the new thread.

:)




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Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on January 31, 2014, 06:31:50 AM
Are any stats available on your shelved shares, and where they are in the shelved share queue? Raw data would probably be too much, but something like a list filled with x number of shelved shares worth y BTC from block z, and the shelved share queue depth to that point?


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: helmax on January 31, 2014, 08:28:59 AM
the patch cgminer wk developed for kncminer oct is out ?


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on January 31, 2014, 08:49:05 AM
In on the first page to say that Eligius is the most stable BTC pool I've used in the year I've been mining.  I started off on Slush's, then BTCGuild, then Eclipse, P2Pool, and even some time on GHash.io. 

I keep on coming back to Eligius as my primary pool.

Keep up the hard work guys. :)


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: crashoveride54902 on January 31, 2014, 11:21:14 AM
Yay the donation % works...now i can donate to the pool :) Thanks for all your hard work on this pool WK...And its getting greater every day!!!


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on January 31, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
Is it too complicated to add some more shitforks for merged mining?


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on January 31, 2014, 04:01:28 PM
Is it too complicated to add some more shitforks for merged mining?

luke-jr won't support merged mining of any alt-coin, because they believe they are mostly scams/people trying to make easy money of the success of bitcoin without brigning any "new" ideas/innovation. Thus they don't want to support those systems.

They -do- support namecoins, exactly because it is a system that does bring something new/different, being not only a unit of money, but a name reservation system.



From the old thread:

(...)
^ This is a pretty good explanation.  Thanks.

Thank you! :D And thanks for running such a great pool. And thanks for luke0jr (I guess?) for coming up with such a great payment system!

1) When I look at the payment queue I see at number 1 "2 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours and 14 minutes"
Why is the payment for the miner so late? Or do I misunderstand something?

That means that the last payment that user got was 2 weeks, 5 days, ... ago. But the user might still have been in the queue for a few minutes, if he just got over his payment the treshold.

Even though the shares themselves are rewarded most-recent-first, once a user has accumulated enough reward that he gets in the payout queue, the payment system prioritizes people who have not been payed the longest, whatever their payment amount is.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on January 31, 2014, 04:26:00 PM
Also, if I may ask, I have a few tiny suggestions that should be really easy to add, but would improve the stats, I believe.

1. On the home page of the stats, you put at the bottom the PPS value-per-share. But I think it is a really important value that would deserve to be put in the header alongside the pool hashrate/round luck/time... Or at least, put on userstats pages with the estimate of daily earnings.

2. Putting a link to the payout queue in the top menu, with "Home", "My eligius", etc...

3. Moving the GitHub link to the footer, or put it on the home page. (I don't believe that the GitHub is something the users will frequently go to, so it doesn't need such a proeminent place)

4. Putting a link to the configurable options in the userstats page.

5. In fact, change the "structure" of My Eligius so that clicking on "My Eligius" prompts for a user's address; inputting the address brings you directly to the userstats page, from which there would be a link to the configurable options, or to "logout"/change address. I believe it would be "cleaner", faster to navigate the site than with the intermediate "menu" page that you get once you "logged" in.

6. In the pool-wide stats page (Home), put a graph of the "historical" luck, so we know if recently, we have been increasing of decreasing the amount of shelved shares.

7. In userstats page, you put the percentage of shares rewarded, but it would be great if you could also put the "value" of the shelved share, so one knows that if he were to leave the pool NOW, he should expect to be, eventuelly, payed out that amount of BTC when the pool gets lucky. It can be calculated from the other displayed stats, but I think it is an important value.

But don't get me wrong, I love the pool! Theses are just suggestions, you do what you want.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 01, 2014, 02:12:34 AM
Also, if I may ask, I have a few tiny suggestions that should be really easy to add, but would improve the stats, I believe.

1. On the home page of the stats, you put at the bottom the PPS value-per-share. But I think it is a really important value that would deserve to be put in the header alongside the pool hashrate/round luck/time... Or at least, put on userstats pages with the estimate of daily earnings.

2. Putting a link to the payout queue in the top menu, with "Home", "My eligius", etc...

3. Moving the GitHub link to the footer, or put it on the home page. (I don't believe that the GitHub is something the users will frequently go to, so it doesn't need such a proeminent place)

4. Putting a link to the configurable options in the userstats page.

5. In fact, change the "structure" of My Eligius so that clicking on "My Eligius" prompts for a user's address; inputting the address brings you directly to the userstats page, from which there would be a link to the configurable options, or to "logout"/change address. I believe it would be "cleaner", faster to navigate the site than with the intermediate "menu" page that you get once you "logged" in.

6. In the pool-wide stats page (Home), put a graph of the "historical" luck, so we know if recently, we have been increasing of decreasing the amount of shelved shares.

7. In userstats page, you put the percentage of shares rewarded, but it would be great if you could also put the "value" of the shelved share, so one knows that if he were to leave the pool NOW, he should expect to be, eventuelly, payed out that amount of BTC when the pool gets lucky. It can be calculated from the other displayed stats, but I think it is an important value.

But don't get me wrong, I love the pool! Theses are just suggestions, you do what you want.

1. I considered this, but since CPPSRB is not actually straight PPS, prominently displaying a maximum potential PPS value would likely be confusing.  Even displaying it where it is has already caused confusion and I've considered just removing it entirely.

2. The large button seems to break the style.  The layout needs an overhaul...

3. See #2

4. There is, My Eligius

5. Maybe.  The stats are being redone and integrated into a new single site soon anyway. (spoiler)

6. Historical luck doesn't actually have any affect on future earnings or make any real sense to display in more detail than it already is (luck % for each block, variance graph), so its a next-to-useless stat IMO.  I did put the estimated earnings/variance graph on the main page already, though, to show that things even out as they should.

7. This was the case before, and people, again, just got confused thinking that the pool in some way owed them or was otherwise cheating them out of the value of the shelved shares.  Since the switch to a percentage, which is actually a much more useful stat, there has been much less confusion.

-wk


Edit: Clarified #6


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 01, 2014, 02:42:45 AM
280.06510396 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 01c17411ff6a4278ada87c28dad74b9d1e79c799743fd2d63dac945645123ab3 (https://blockchain.info/tx/01c17411ff6a4278ada87c28dad74b9d1e79c799743fd2d63dac945645123ab3?show_adv=true)


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 01, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
Wow, I just noticed that the last block (0000000000000000a7d0521b7fe409c823c9cf00a964a99c59e57fa3b4d8dfc2) was one of the luckiest in pool history at 30sec... there have been a couple of those in the last few weeks. Could the increase in the asics now in circulation have anything to do with this or is it overall pool hashrate or the increased number of miners? Or is it just my noob (not very in-depth) view of the stats?


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 01, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
Wow, I just noticed that the last block (0000000000000000a7d0521b7fe409c823c9cf00a964a99c59e57fa3b4d8dfc2) was one of the luckiest in pool history at 30sec... there have been a couple of those in the last few weeks. Could the increase in the asics now in circulation have anything to do with this or is it overall pool hashrate or the increased number of miners? Or is it just my noob (not very in-depth) view of the stats?

It is quite simply just luck, which varies greatly in either direction.  The fastest block ever for Eligius was block 277,885 ... which was mined 3 seconds after 277,884. ;)

-wk


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 01, 2014, 09:52:01 AM
Wow, I just noticed that the last block (0000000000000000a7d0521b7fe409c823c9cf00a964a99c59e57fa3b4d8dfc2) was one of the luckiest in pool history at 30sec... there have been a couple of those in the last few weeks. Could the increase in the asics now in circulation have anything to do with this or is it overall pool hashrate or the increased number of miners? Or is it just my noob (not very in-depth) view of the stats?

It is quite simply just luck, which varies greatly in either direction.  The fastest block ever for Eligius was block 277,885 ... which was mined 3 seconds after 277,884. ;)

-wk
Yeah I noticed that and that block was mined on: 2013-12-31 09:01:22. Almost all of the "quickest" blocks from that one to the one just now were mined in the last 4 months or so... since the rise of the asics... it could also just be pure luck...


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 01, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
Greetings Miners!

The donation options in the My Eligius control panel now officially function (beta).  I have the new patch tested and running on the server now for monitoring.

Currently the donations are just held by the pool, but I will be doing up stats and publicizing where exactly the donations are paid out, as soon as I confirm that the code is stable (it has been in the works for a while now).

So, please consider donating even a small amount to the pool!

Thanks,

-wk


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 01, 2014, 10:21:50 AM
Greetings Miners!

The donation options in the My Eligius control panel now officially function (beta).  I have the new patch tested and running on the server now for monitoring.

Currently the donations are just held by the pool, but I will be doing up stats and publicizing where exactly the donations are paid out, as soon as I confirm that the code is stable (it has been in the works for a while now).

So, please consider donating even a small amount to the pool!

Thanks,

-wk

Er? Didn't they already function? I've had it set up for a little while now... or was it not working?


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 01, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
Greetings Miners!

The donation options in the My Eligius control panel now officially function (beta).  I have the new patch tested and running on the server now for monitoring.

Currently the donations are just held by the pool, but I will be doing up stats and publicizing where exactly the donations are paid out, as soon as I confirm that the code is stable (it has been in the works for a while now).

So, please consider donating even a small amount to the pool!

Thanks,

-wk

Er? Didn't they already function? I've had it set up for a little while now... or was it not working?

The options have been there for some time, but the code to actually take the donation % was incomplete, until now.

Edit: Just to clarify the reasoning, all of the CPPSRB code is self-auditing with many fail-safes.  It checks and rechecks balances and estimates and such and makes sure that the data matches up using multiple methods to do so.  If something happens that doesn't quite match, or is otherwise abnormal, it shuts down and waits for me to check on it.  Basically, to be secure, the donation acceptance part had to also be coded into all of the auditing portions also, otherwise the "missing" funds from the pool keeping the donations would trigger all kinds of internal alarms and fail-safes.  Plus additional security (such as re-verifying the signed messages more than once to verify that the donation %'s the system is using match what the user actually signed... if there is any question/discrepancy, it just keeps the donation amount at 0%.  Hope this helps explain why this has taken me so long to get it done!


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 01, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
Greetings Miners!

The donation options in the My Eligius control panel now officially function (beta).  I have the new patch tested and running on the server now for monitoring.

Currently the donations are just held by the pool, but I will be doing up stats and publicizing where exactly the donations are paid out, as soon as I confirm that the code is stable (it has been in the works for a while now).

So, please consider donating even a small amount to the pool!

Thanks,

-wk

Er? Didn't they already function? I've had it set up for a little while now... or was it not working?

The options have been there for some time, but the code to actually take the donation % was incomplete, until now.

Well, shit. I thought I had been paying you :) Well, I guess I really am now.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on February 01, 2014, 04:26:55 PM
the patch cgminer wk developed for kncminer oct is out ?

Why do you need a CGminer patch? I also have an oct unit, and actually just received my RMA of controller board and ASIC board. Also oct stock evident by the firmware. In both cases, I simply chose firmware that uses BFGminer (so, if fw 0.98 or earlier, I ran BertMod 3.0 and selected BFGminer - in case of received RMA replacements, which came with stock 0.99-E, I loaded 0.99.2 and selected....again....BFGminer) and can mine on port 3334 and the designated KnC port. CGMiner 3.9.1 which is embedded in fw 0.99.2 also worked fine for the 20 or so min it was running while I was configuring other settings on the miner. My original controller board and ASIC was from the mid-October delivery that could only run 0.95 successfully until 0.98 came around. Still worked just fine. if you're running fw 0.99.1 or 0.99.2, you should be fine so long as your not frying your gear trying to pump the voltage. While I have noticed differences between hashrate to the pool (not this one, but one I've used in the past) between CGMiner and BFGminer using BFL hardware, I've not had the same experience with the KnC. It seems about equal. I use BFGminer simply because I prefer it. What problems are you actually having?


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: crashoveride54902 on February 01, 2014, 05:22:12 PM
the patch cgminer wk developed for kncminer oct is out ?

Why do you need a CGminer patch? I also have an oct unit, and actually just received my RMA of controller board and ASIC board. Also oct stock evident by the firmware. In both cases, I simply chose firmware that uses BFGminer (so, if fw 0.98 or earlier, I ran BertMod 3.0 and selected BFGminer - in case of received RMA replacements, which came with stock 0.99-E, I loaded 0.99.2 and selected....again....BFGminer) and can mine on port 3334 and the designated KnC port. CGMiner 3.9.1 which is embedded in fw 0.99.2 also worked fine for the 20 or so min it was running while I was configuring other settings on the miner. My original controller board and ASIC was from the mid-October delivery that could only run 0.95 successfully until 0.98 came around. Still worked just fine. if you're running fw 0.99.1 or 0.99.2, you should be fine so long as your not frying your gear trying to pump the voltage. While I have noticed differences between hashrate to the pool (not this one, but one I've used in the past) between CGMiner and BFGminer using BFL hardware, I've not had the same experience with the KnC. It seems about equal. I use BFGminer simply because I prefer it. What problems are you actually having?

your getting higher HW errors on 3334...watch it n see...then goto knc port n i bet it'll be lower :) But it also doesn't effect all units i don't think...but alotta units...I'm happy on knc port :) can't wait for knc to fix flushwork thou...doubt it'll ever happen thou


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: salfter on February 01, 2014, 05:37:19 PM
Question to inaugurate the new thread: is there any way (i.e hidden API or anything) to track NMC earnings?

Someone else mentioned the Namecoin block explorer, but since there is AFAIK no Namecoin web wallet, you'll need to have a namecoind running at some point to spend/exchange/etc. your payouts.   With that up and running, this will work:

Code:
namecoind getbalance


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sconklin321 on February 01, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
Question to inaugurate the new thread: is there any way (i.e hidden API or anything) to track NMC earnings?

Someone else mentioned the Namecoin block explorer, but since there is AFAIK no Namecoin web wallet, you'll need to have a namecoind running at some point to spend/exchange/etc. your payouts.   With that up and running, this will work:

Code:
namecoind getbalance

I just have my namecoins sent to my cryptsy NMC address and I do what I need with them from there. 


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on February 01, 2014, 07:22:58 PM
the patch cgminer wk developed for kncminer oct is out ?

Why do you need a CGminer patch? I also have an oct unit, and actually just received my RMA of controller board and ASIC board. Also oct stock evident by the firmware. In both cases, I simply chose firmware that uses BFGminer (so, if fw 0.98 or earlier, I ran BertMod 3.0 and selected BFGminer - in case of received RMA replacements, which came with stock 0.99-E, I loaded 0.99.2 and selected....again....BFGminer) and can mine on port 3334 and the designated KnC port. CGMiner 3.9.1 which is embedded in fw 0.99.2 also worked fine for the 20 or so min it was running while I was configuring other settings on the miner. My original controller board and ASIC was from the mid-October delivery that could only run 0.95 successfully until 0.98 came around. Still worked just fine. if you're running fw 0.99.1 or 0.99.2, you should be fine so long as your not frying your gear trying to pump the voltage. While I have noticed differences between hashrate to the pool (not this one, but one I've used in the past) between CGMiner and BFGminer using BFL hardware, I've not had the same experience with the KnC. It seems about equal. I use BFGminer simply because I prefer it. What problems are you actually having?

your getting higher HW errors on 3334...watch it n see...then goto knc port n i bet it'll be lower :) But it also doesn't effect all units i don't think...but alotta units...I'm happy on knc port :) can't wait for knc to fix flushwork thou...doubt it'll ever happen thou

that's interesting. before the RMA, regardless of pool, or ports in this case, my HW errors were at 1.6%. post RMA it has settled at ~.6% after roughly 14 hrs (just got the boards yesterday). Since there's a specified port for KnC, I use it. I only ran it on 3334 for about 30 min max this time. after switching to BFGminer and restarting, before and after using the KnC designated port, the HW errors were just over ~1%. I wasn't on 3334 long enough to see if it would go down as it did after a few hours mining at the designated port. I'll take your word for it though, as I know that even within the same month of a particular batch, the miners varied a great deal in performance. I'm not eager to test your statement given that my miner is doing what I want it to do. lol  As for your other comment, I concur that a flushwork fix is unlikely. I'd be surprised if there is another October batch fw update. I just checked the firmware page, and it seems that the boards i received for RMA had November batch fw, and I loaded October batch fw. works great, but guess I'll have to sort that out presently just in case. Thanks for the explanation of the problem, though. I was wondering what the deal was, since I hadn't noticed anything with my gear. Cheers!


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 01, 2014, 09:07:47 PM
Question to inaugurate the new thread: is there any way (i.e hidden API or anything) to track NMC earnings?

Someone else mentioned the Namecoin block explorer, but since there is AFAIK no Namecoin web wallet, you'll need to have a namecoind running at some point to spend/exchange/etc. your payouts.   With that up and running, this will work:

Code:
namecoind getbalance
I've got a namecoin web wallet here: http://nmc-wallet.com/index.php

P.S. although looking now... the balance doesn't match what's on the block explorer  :o


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 02, 2014, 12:16:47 AM
I just thought of something. Do shelved shares earned before a reward drop get paid at half the rate? (I'm presuming that they do....)


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 02, 2014, 12:23:23 AM
I just thought of something. Do shelved shares earned before a reward drop get paid at half the rate? (I'm presuming that they do....)

A short answer would be wrong either way here.

Shares are stored in the share log as a percentage of block reward based on the difficulty at the time it is mined. 

When a block is found and shares are paid that percentage is applied against that block's subsidy which is currently 25 BTC.



Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 02, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
1. I considered this, but since CPPSRB is not actually straight PPS, prominently displaying a maximum potential PPS value would likely be confusing.  Even displaying it where it is has already caused confusion and I've considered just removing it entirely.
7. This was the case before, and people, again, just got confused thinking that the pool in some way owed them or was otherwise cheating them out of the value of the shelved shares.  Since the switch to a percentage, which is actually a much more useful stat, there has been much less confusion.
I get the point. Maybe you sould call it something like "Maximum potential reward per submitted share"? Then add another sentence like "(The pool has, historically rewarded [computed average] percent of all submitted shares.)"

Maybe it would be an interesting stat to have a graph that shows the distribution of "amount of users" as a function of "percent PPS"; to show that because of CPPSRB, and the date one has starded mining, the percent PPS is variable per user.

By taking the data from the API, it would be a graph looking like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d64buquo0hr7ml/Screenshot%202014-02-01%2020.35.39.png (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d64buquo0hr7ml/Screenshot%202014-02-01%2020.35.39.png)

6. Historical luck doesn't actually have any affect on future earnings or make any real sense to display in more detail than it already is (luck % for each block, variance graph), so its a next-to-useless stat IMO.  I did put the estimated earnings/variance graph on the main page already, though, to show that things even out as they should.

It could also be interesting, then, to have on userstats page a graph of the evolution of your personal percent PPS over the last few weeks. Just like the graph you put on main page, but for you, and not for an hypothetical miner.

The stats are being redone and integrated into a new single site soon anyway. (spoiler)

Nice! Looking forward to it! :)



Yeah I noticed that and that block was mined on: 2013-12-31 09:01:22. Almost all of the "quickest" blocks from that one to the one just now were mined in the last 4 months or so... since the rise of the asics... it could also just be pure luck...

It is both, in some way.

The ASICS don't have to do anything in that per se; they juste provide more hashpower. But since the network difficulty automatically adjust to an increase in hashpower, the asics, by themselves dont't do anything.

However recently, Eligius has gotten more and more larger of the whole network's hashpower. THAT does increase the odds of finding blocks rapidly. Still, it's no luck yet, it is just simple math. With 1% of the network's hashpower, we expect to find a block every 16 hours and 40 minutes on average; with 10% of the network, the expected block time is 1 hour and 40 minutes.

The expected block time is just that, an expectation. It might be shorter or longer, and THAT is luck. But the average block time (averaged over a few hundreds of blocks), must be (and is) the same as the expected block time.

Luck of a given block is the "expected block time" over "actual block time" (Well, technically, it is "expected number of shares (difficulty)" over "actual accepted shares", but the ratio should be the same/very similar if the hashrate does not change significally during a block). So a block with 200% luck would have taken 8h20m when Eligius had 1% of the network, and 50 minutes with 10% of the network.

Currently, mining a block in less than 5 min would take a luck of over 1100%, but when we the pool had 1%, it would have taken a luck of 20 000%. Thus, ASIC don't really have much to do to explain the quickest block we had recently. The main reason is that more people entrust Eligius with their hashpower, and we have got a big part of the network now. Thus, even tough very quick blocks (less that 5 mins) are still an unlikely event, they are nontheless much more likely now that they were months ago.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 02, 2014, 06:44:13 AM
Maybe it would be an interesting stat to have a graph that shows the distribution of "amount of users" as a function of "percent PPS"; to show that because of CPPSRB, and the date one has starded mining, the percent PPS is variable per user.

By taking the data from the API, it would be a graph looking like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d64buquo0hr7ml/Screenshot%202014-02-01%2020.35.39.png (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d64buquo0hr7ml/Screenshot%202014-02-01%2020.35.39.png)
Is that graph accurate? If so, I'm really in the lower 5% with only 92.88% of shares rewarded.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: redpixy on February 02, 2014, 07:18:05 AM
its seems today the pool luck is low...


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: matt4054 on February 02, 2014, 08:24:24 AM
Maybe it would be an interesting stat to have a graph that shows the distribution of "amount of users" as a function of "percent PPS"; to show that because of CPPSRB, and the date one has starded mining, the percent PPS is variable per user.

By taking the data from the API, it would be a graph looking like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d64buquo0hr7ml/Screenshot%202014-02-01%2020.35.39.png (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d64buquo0hr7ml/Screenshot%202014-02-01%2020.35.39.png)
Is that graph accurate? If so, I'm really in the lower 5% with only 92.88% of shares rewarded.

I think it should be weighted according to total shares for each miner to be accurate.

Actually, the global variance graphs (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/) seems to be just this in another form


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 02, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
Is that graph accurate? If so, I'm really in the lower 5% with only 92.88% of shares rewarded.
Unless I did a math mistake, it should be, since I took the openly available data at http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/7/ (http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/7/) to plot this graph. Considering that the pool has historically rewarded about 97% of all shares submitted, you are a lot under average.

I think it should be weighted according to total shares for each miner to be accurate.

I considered weighting each address per the amount of shares it submitted. I finally chose not to, because I really wanted to show the stats PER PER USER. If the reward system were to favor "big miners" over small ones, for example, then a weighted graph would not reveal it, because the data would be "drowned" by the big miners' data. But small miners, even if they are not significant to the pool, would be frustrated if the pool rewarded them very little, and that matters.

In fact, the top ten users "own" almost half the pool's hashrate, the 5000 other one sharing the rest. So "small" miners make up the most of the pool, and they are important. Many unsatisfied users means bad publicity for the pool, and bad publicity "hurts" the pool.

The same graph weighted per share would be interesting too! But it would not convey the "same" data.

Actually, the global variance graphs (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/) seems to be just this in another form

The global variance graphs show the reward of an hypothetical miner over time. This graph is meant to show that things even out over time, and you converge toward "true" PPS over time. My graph is meant to show that this does not happens the same way for all user (depending when they started mining), and to give an idea of the spread of the reward.

Both these graphs are interesting on their own, they both tell different, but not unrelated, information.


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 02, 2014, 04:53:55 PM
Is that graph accurate? If so, I'm really in the lower 5% with only 92.88% of shares rewarded.
Unless I did a math mistake, it should be, since I took the openly available data at http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/7/ (http://eligius.st/~luke-jr/raw/7/) to plot this graph. Considering that the pool has historically rewarded about 97% of all shares submitted, you are a lot under average.

I think it should be weighted according to total shares for each miner to be accurate.

I considered weighting each address per the amount of shares it submitted. I finally chose not to, because I really wanted to show the stats PER PER USER. If the reward system were to favor "big miners" over small ones, for example, then a weighted graph would not reveal it, because the data would be "drowned" by the big miners' data. But small miners, even if they are not significant to the pool, would be frustrated if the pool rewarded them very little, and that matters.

In fact, the top ten users "own" almost half the pool's hashrate, the 5000 other one sharing the rest. So "small" miners make up the most of the pool, and they are important. Many unsatisfied users means bad publicity for the pool, and bad publicity "hurts" the pool.

The same graph weighted per share would be interesting too! But it would not convey the "same" data.

Actually, the global variance graphs (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/) seems to be just this in another form

The global variance graphs show the reward of an hypothetical miner over time. This graph is meant to show that things even out over time, and you converge toward "true" PPS over time. My graph is meant to show that this does not happens the same way for all user (depending when they started mining), and to give an idea of the spread of the reward.

Both these graphs are interesting on their own, they both tell different, but not unrelated, information.

The balances.json includes data from when the pool was SMPPS and towards the end of the SMPPS days new miners were getting paid something like 5% PPS because of all of the extra credit built up, which will definitely skew your data.  I chose to trim this data out of the hypothetical miner graph, since CPPSRB does not have this issue.  However, any miner who was around prior to the switch to CPPSRB will almost certainly have a much lower percentage of shares rewarded.

The issue with any luck graphing, as I mentioned before, is that it just doesn't help anything.  It tends to cause more confusion than anything which is why I just avoid doing luck stats.

But since you're throwing luck-based stats around, I should probably clarify why they're useless so that people don't get the wrong idea.

The following are true as of this posting:

  • 99.4% of all shares accepted by Eligius-Ra have been accepted in the past 6 months, however Eligius-Ra has been in operation for over two years.
          
    • Eligius itself has been around longer than this even, however Eligius-Ra is the latest revision of the pool and the longest running.
    • Further, 76.9% of all shares accepted have been in the past 60 days.
    • 51.7% of all shares accepted have been in the past 30 days. Thats over half of all accepted shares done just in the past 30 days.
    • As explained a long time ago (somewhere in the old thread) this will skew any luck stats, especially if the recent month has been unlucky (it has)

       
  • I replaced the SMPPS reward system was replaced with CPPSRB on or about October 2012.
       
    • Due to the way SMPPS works, and a combination of a run of bad luck, miners near the end of this time were earning only a few % PPS, with the rest going to "extra credit".
    • In fairness to those loyal to the pool, the credit earned under SMPPS was passed through to the switch to CPPSRB for all miners who had SMPPS extra credit in case the pool were lucky.
            
      • This credit is added into the 'credit' value in balances.json, and internally kept by the CPPSRB code in the unlikely event that pool gets so lucky that it can start paying this extra credit.
         
    • Veteran miners who are still mining with the same address as they were when SMPPS was active will always show a large difference in the amount of shares rewarded due to this.


  • Pool-wide long term accepted shares paid is 98.0%. (Slightly higher when ignoring pre-CPPSRB blocks, however due to the points above is a mostly pointless stat now since the majority of data is recent)
       
    • No this is not just like mining at a pool with a 2% fee
            
      • Expected long term earnings can never be 100% or more due to orphaned blocks. This is for every pool!
      • If a pool has a fee, it is taken after varaince, ie from the 98% rewarded.  So a pool with a 2% fee is thus only rewarding 96.04% PPS, where Eligius, with 0% fee, is awarding 100% of the subsidy of all blocks mined.
              
         
  • "Luck" (accepted shares vs expected) for the past 30 days is ~95%, making it a below average month.
       
    • Taking into account the info above (over half of all long term accepted shares being within the past 30 days), it should be obvious how any long term luck stat will be skewed tremendously by just the recent bit of bad luck.


  • Even though my stats above are based on accepted vs expected shares, the amount of blocks per day has also increased along with the clumping of data towards the present, making stats based on balances almost equally skewed by short term bad luck.



Lets ignore SMPPS and other factors for a moment and just focus on these two relevant ones: a) short term (30-day) varaince has been a few % below average; b) over half of all data has been collected in the past 30 days (and all data spans over 2 years)
Using just those two points alone is enough to make it very obvious why any luck stats will be skewed towards the unlucky even if supposedly based on the full long term data, which, as I mentioned previously, can be confusing for people to understand.

The only luck/variance stat even close to worth mentioning is the one that shows that variance does tend to and historically has evened out over time and towards the expected value.  Anything else just causes confusion.

There are so many factors to why one miner would have a higher or lower % shares rewarded than another, none of which make any individual miner's contribution less likely to tend towards the expected variance, thus making it a uselessly confusing stat.  Newer miners will *always* have higher variance than older miners, with their shares rewarded bouncing from 0% to 100% for some time until the variance irons out.  Older SMPPS miners will almost always have a lower % shares rewarded because no SMPPS extra credit has been paid since CPPSRB was started.  Was the miner constantly active?  Did they start and stop mining at certain times when the pool was lucky/unlucky?  Many other factors contribute and I wont waste time listing them all.

This is why I don't publish luck data on the stats, because they're just not worthwhile stats overall, and they tend to confuse people more than help them understand anything about the pool.

Remember: Past variance does not have any influance whatsoever on future variance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy).

-wk


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 02, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Could it be time to update the subject? Looks like Eligius has crossed the 3000Th border.

CONGRATULATIONS WIZKID AND LUKE-JR!


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: movellan on February 03, 2014, 12:46:02 AM
Could it be time to update the subject? Looks like Eligius has crossed the 3000Th border.

CONGRATULATIONS WIZKID AND LUKE-JR!

Definitely a milestone. Which makes it even more interesting that none of the top 20 miners in the Top Contributors list show any donations to the pool despite having received hundreds of BTC mining on Eligius. Thanks to wizkid for adding the donation stats; now we know who really appreciates this pool.


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 03, 2014, 01:10:07 AM
Not everyone donates with a percentage! I'm pretty sure our fastest miner has donated quite a bit in other ways.


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 03, 2014, 01:12:39 AM
Not everyone donates with a percentage! I'm pretty sure our fastest miner has donated quite a bit in other ways.

This is true.  I wouldn't necessarily outright shame any miner who isn't donating via the signmessage options.

In other news, I'm adding tons of data to the new API code.  Should be fun!

CSV, json, or text based block data anyone? :D

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/api.php?cmd=getblocks&limit=10&format=csv or http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/api.php?cmd=getblocks&limit=10&format=csv&csvastext=1
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/api.php?cmd=getblocks&limit=10&format=json
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/api.php?cmd=getblocks&limit=10&format=text

The fields in "options" (shown in the text and json outputs) are configurable. :)

-wk


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 03, 2014, 02:47:44 AM
Lots of new API stuff available.  See documentation at http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis (http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis)

Specifically, check out the "New wizsatats API interface" section.

Subject to change!  Most likely going to move to a cleaner, shorter URL soon too.

Enjoy! :D

-wk


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on February 03, 2014, 06:42:28 AM
Could it be time to update the subject? Looks like Eligius has crossed the 3000Th border.

CONGRATULATIONS WIZKID AND LUKE-JR!

Yup yup.  

Many congrats and major thanks to Luke-Jr and wk for a great pool.  I'm a n00b who has been happily mining with Eligius since September.  I just don't post because  I would only have things to say like "keep up the great work!" or "you guyz are totally awesome".

So... you guyz are great!  Keep up the totally awesome work!   :D :P


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: zuqka on February 03, 2014, 09:18:40 AM
getting 504 Gateway Time-out on main! anyone else?


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on February 03, 2014, 09:22:24 AM
getting 504 Gateway Time-out on main! anyone else?
same here


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 03, 2014, 09:22:32 AM
Same here, but it's probably just WK working on the updates... miners are still mining  :)


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bizzyb on February 03, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
good to know....


Title: Re: [3000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: KFR on February 04, 2014, 01:35:06 AM
Thanks for all your hard work. 8)


Title: Re: [2700Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 04, 2014, 04:49:42 AM
But since you're throwing luck-based stats around, I should probably clarify why they're useless so that people don't get the wrong idea.

(...)

Thanks for the nice explanation. I get your point. I'm just a stats junkie, but it's my problem. Not confusing users is also important.

Lots of new API stuff available.  See documentation at http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis (http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis)

Specifically, check out the "New wizsatats API interface" section.

Wow, nice! Good job! :D


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: WASPJoe on February 04, 2014, 06:51:42 AM
Just saying I like you guys (although i might get some slack for that from the boss  :D just kidding about the boss part).
Either way i wanted to also thank you guys for keeping your stuff opensource, it's been nice to be able to see the inner workings of your pool and know that my time mining with you guys was appropriately paid out as described.

I'm going to (secretly) continue to mine with you guys probably until either i die or eligius has to close.

keep up the good work you guys!


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fryarminer on February 04, 2014, 10:33:56 AM
Thanks for the new API stuff!


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 05, 2014, 02:23:54 AM
added an antminer to your pool, waiting for the first payout ever! :)


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 05, 2014, 12:43:01 PM
Congrats to all on finding the last 2.19G Block.


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on February 05, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
Congrats to all on finding the last 2.19G Block.
Due you mean 2.62G Block since it changed today?


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 05, 2014, 05:07:29 PM
Pool growing!


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 05, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
Congrats to all on finding the last 2.19G Block.
Due you mean 2.62G Block since it changed today?

No, he meant the final 2.19G block, before it changed to 2.62G.


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on February 05, 2014, 06:13:39 PM
Congrats to all on finding the last 2.19G Block.
Due you mean 2.62G Block since it changed today?

No, he meant the final 2.19G block, before it changed to 2.62G.
OK.  Thanks.  Now that I have some caffeine in me, I see he said "the last".

Note to self:  Late to bed + 3 hours of sleep = caffeine first then not posting to forum(s) until after caffeine kicks in.


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 05, 2014, 06:40:42 PM
Wow, crazy, we just got 4 blocks in a row.  (284328, 329, 330, 331)  And less than 2 hours prior, we had 3 in a row (284319, 320, 321).  Given that we have about 17% of network hashrate, the chances are less than 1/1000 of finding 4 in a row.


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on February 05, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
Perhaps naming the thread [16% world's hashpower] would be more informative than 3100TH ?


Title: Re: [3100Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 05, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
Perhaps naming the thread [16% world's hashpower] would be more informative than 3100TH ?
20% would be more accurate.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 06, 2014, 06:59:34 AM
HashBuster Alpha available in the Eligius store, shipping beginning Monday. (http://eligius.st/~gateway/products/hashbuster-alpha)


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 06, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
HashBuster Alpha available in the Eligius store, shipping beginning Monday. (http://eligius.st/~gateway/products/hashbuster-alpha)

Any idea on power use?  Also, is UK shipping included? :)


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on February 06, 2014, 09:26:16 AM
HashBuster Alpha available in the Eligius store, shipping beginning Monday. (http://eligius.st/~gateway/products/hashbuster-alpha)
I think you have typo on shipping 'January 10' instead of feb


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: M3kk on February 06, 2014, 05:46:41 PM
Hello.. i used my BTC-E wallet to mine, almost 2 days.. i had the first payout.. (0.04x BTC), and still have 0.0159 BTC unpaided.. There is any way to recover my payout? And this 0.0159 too?

Need to contact BTC-e? Or how i could recover my almost 2 DAY work?

Thanks in advice..


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 06, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
HashBuster Alpha available in the Eligius store, shipping beginning Monday. (http://eligius.st/~gateway/products/hashbuster-alpha)
I think you have typo on shipping 'January 10' instead of feb
Yep, thanks. Fixed.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on February 06, 2014, 08:15:34 PM
Hello.. i used my BTC-E wallet to mine, almost 2 days.. i had the first payout.. (0.04x BTC), and still have 0.0159 BTC unpaided.. There is any way to recover my payout? And this 0.0159 too?

Need to contact BTC-e? Or how i could recover my almost 2 DAY work?

Thanks in advice..

You should NOT use btc-e wallet with eligius. Period.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: M3kk on February 06, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
Now i know.. But my question is.. can recover that BTC s? :)


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on February 06, 2014, 09:09:22 PM
Now i know.. But my question is.. can recover that BTC s? :)
Provided that
- they clearly state "We do not support generated transactions from pools like Eligius, P2Pool etc."
- they have incredible awfull support (for my several tickets I NEVER heard back anything except automated reply)
I doubt you can recover your money, sorry


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 06, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
Wow..there's luck and there's really lucky. :D


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 07, 2014, 02:32:18 AM
Now i know.. But my question is.. can recover that BTC s? :)
Provided that
- they clearly state "We do not support generated transactions from pools like Eligius, P2Pool etc."
- they have incredible awfull support (for my several tickets I NEVER heard back anything except automated reply)
I doubt you can recover your money, sorry

So what happens to these btc? They are also making all of ours more valuable by being completely inaccessible?


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 07, 2014, 03:22:59 AM
Suggestion/request for stats: a "Recent Blocks" page to supplement/replace the "Blocks" page.  Whenever I look at the Blocks page, really I am mostly interested in the recent blocks... say the past 12h or 24h worth.  Of course it makes sense to have a full block history available, but I have no need to see it every time.  I realize that the old blocks are cached and thus take up very little DB load, but still they're taking up bandwidth (which might be more troublesome on the user side than the server side; I don't know, but I imagine that the pool takes up lots of bandwidth regardless of anything on the web site).  It can take a while to load that page on my phone when I don't have a good connection, for example.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 07, 2014, 04:27:46 AM
Suggestion/request for stats: a "Recent Blocks" page to supplement/replace the "Blocks" page.  Whenever I look at the Blocks page, really I am mostly interested in the recent blocks... say the past 12h or 24h worth.  Of course it makes sense to have a full block history available, but I have no need to see it every time.  I realize that the old blocks are cached and thus take up very little DB load, but still they're taking up bandwidth (which might be more troublesome on the user side than the server side; I don't know, but I imagine that the pool takes up lots of bandwidth regardless of anything on the web site).  It can take a while to load that page on my phone when I don't have a good connection, for example.

New stats are in the works, so, saving all the new goodness like this for the new API-based revision. :)


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: WynX on February 07, 2014, 07:57:07 AM
So what happens to these btc? They are also making all of ours more valuable by being completely inaccessible?

BTC-e will pick them up sooner or later...


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: M3kk on February 07, 2014, 08:14:41 AM
So what happens to these btc? They are also making all of ours more valuable by being completely inaccessible?

BTC-e will pick them up sooner or later...

But for who? For me? For them? They lost? Or what happens? :)
At blockchain, i see the transacrion, its confirmed, i see the value, i see my btc-e wallet there, at final balance i see the amount, but on the BTC-E i dont see nothing about this..

Thanks.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 07, 2014, 11:36:14 AM
So what happens to these btc? They are also making all of ours more valuable by being completely inaccessible?

BTC-e will pick them up sooner or later...

But for who? For me? For them? They lost? Or what happens? :)
At blockchain, i see the transacrion, its confirmed, i see the value, i see my btc-e wallet there, at final balance i see the amount, but on the BTC-E i dont see nothing about this..

Thanks.

Eligius sent the coins to the address you used at the pool.  BTC-e received and has the coins.  BTC-e has not credited your account for the deposit.  The issue is between you and BTC-e now.

In BTC-e's defense, when you create a deposit address there, right there it says: We do not support generated transactions from pools like Eligius, P2Pool etc.
It even specifically mentions Eligius by name.

-wk


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 07, 2014, 12:57:03 PM
Is it just me, or is there something odd with the variable difficulty today?  I've got 35GH mining here on one instance of cgminer and it's sitting at Diff16.  Usually it runs around Diff64.

Edit: 90 minutes after connect, and 2 minutes after I posted this, it changed to 32.
Edit2: It's flip-flopping back and forward between 16 and 32 now. :(


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 07, 2014, 01:59:18 PM
wizkid, I am very curious to know....do you make more in donations than you would if you eligius charged a fee of say....2%?  I want to believe that people pay just as well, if not more for things when they can do so voluntarily, and after the fact.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fsb4000 on February 07, 2014, 02:05:03 PM
Hello.. i used my BTC-E wallet to mine, almost 2 days.. i had the first payout.. (0.04x BTC), and still have 0.0159 BTC unpaided.. There is any way to recover my payout? And this 0.0159 too?

Need to contact BTC-e? Or how i could recover my almost 2 DAY work?

Thanks in advice..
create a ticket here: http://hdbtce.kayako.com/
also you can send PM to btc-e staff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33012
I'm sure your btc will be added to your account.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: azdarknet on February 07, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Dang looks like we may break 4000 Th/s !!!

I joined just a few weeks ago and we were sitting around 2200 Th/s.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: M3kk on February 07, 2014, 05:12:35 PM
Hello.. i used my BTC-E wallet to mine, almost 2 days.. i had the first payout.. (0.04x BTC), and still have 0.0159 BTC unpaided.. There is any way to recover my payout? And this 0.0159 too?

Need to contact BTC-e? Or how i could recover my almost 2 DAY work?

Thanks in advice..
create a ticket here: http://hdbtce.kayako.com/
also you can send PM to btc-e staff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33012
I'm sure your btc will be added to your account.


I made a ticket, and for reply i got the the chan info, a single link to chain :). Will try the PM too, ty


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CeeCee on February 07, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
wow we have now two guys (companies) on board with 500+TH/s  :o ;D


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 07, 2014, 07:29:48 PM
wow we have now two guys (companies) on board with 500+TH/s  :o ;D
Yea, but pool rate is down to 3300 now - I think some of the big boys are jumping around.
I noticed BTCGuild has been having some big up and downs recently too.
I think somebody is jumping between here and there and back again.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on February 07, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
wow we have now two guys (companies) on board with 500+TH/s  :o ;D
Yea, but pool rate is down to 3300 now - I think some of the big boys are jumping around.
I noticed BTCGuild has been having some big up and downs recently too.
I think somebody is jumping between here and there and back again.


little over 4000TH/s now


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: eleuthria on February 07, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
wow we have now two guys (companies) on board with 500+TH/s  :o ;D
Yea, but pool rate is down to 3300 now - I think some of the big boys are jumping around.
I noticed BTCGuild has been having some big up and downs recently too.
I think somebody is jumping between here and there and back again.


One of the ASIC companies was using Guild for burn-in testing and started turning off a few days ago.  So it went down 400 TH/s.  The recovery since then has been new miners coming online/speeding up.  The new user on Eligius is likely a different company, not the same one changing pools (that 400 TH/s user didn't show up on any other pool for more than 48 hours after they left).


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 07, 2014, 08:15:39 PM
1Nbq is supposedly Bitmain / Antminer.


Antminer team has already disappeared from the active board - They were at 400TH/s

https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings&section=teams

That's because they moved over to Eligius:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

No fees.


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 07, 2014, 09:41:51 PM
1Nbq is supposedly Bitmain / Antminer.


Antminer team has already disappeared from the active board - They were at 400TH/s

https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings&section=teams

That's because they moved over to Eligius:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

No fees.

Well if that is Bitmain he's not letting his guys have much of a break - 1Nbq has gone up to 600TH/s over the last few days.  :o



Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 07, 2014, 09:45:39 PM
Aahhh! Eligius just jumped to 4500TH/s in the last few minutes.  8)
There's some big iron being fired up!


Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 07, 2014, 09:48:29 PM
Now back down to 4000TH/s.
What's happening?
Is this just normal variance in the pool hash rate?

Confused I am.



Title: Re: [3500Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 07, 2014, 11:13:17 PM
Now back down to 4000TH/s.
What's happening?
Is this just normal variance in the pool hash rate?

Confused I am.




If I'm not mistaken, the pool's hashrate is an approximation based on the number of shares contributed. Being only that, it should be subject to quite a lot of volatility (ha), the volatility will appear less the larger the period in which the average is taken from. But it is not the 12 hour average we can see on our stats, it updates fairly frequently, and like our ±10% (sometimes 30%) variance over short periods, the pool's collective hashrate will vary by the same %.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 08, 2014, 05:00:17 AM
Did a manual payout earlier.  Tx ef086bf7ee8a8742fe16a14ac0f3535293d8fe5e8ae0331357508b60e4d99e52

Queue cleaned up. :)


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: yelloyello on February 09, 2014, 05:24:28 PM
What is the profit using GBT instead of stratum?


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 10, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
What is the profit using GBT instead of stratum?

GBT enables you to verify the work the pool makes you do.

With stratum, the pool sends you some pre-hased data. Then you (the miner) adds a nonce, you hash, you see if it meets the difficulty requirement, and if it does not, you try again, with the same pre-hash, with another nonce. It it meets the difficulty requirement, you send the nonce back to the pool; it can then verify that it does indeed meet the required difficulty, and credit you the share.

But because things are pre-hashed, you cannot know what the pool wants to include in the block. A dishonest pool might use it's hashpower to deny some transactions in the blockchain, try a double-spend attack, do a 51% attack on an altcoin, etc... Most of that would be found out soon enough, and people would leave the pool, but still, miners would have lost meney.

However, sending a full "raw" block to the miners, so that they could check things up before begenning mining work on the block would be an extremely inneficient way to procced. There are quite voluminous, and because of network latency, etc... a lot of time would be lost in data transers, time not spent on mining, and you would notice an haspower loss.

The "solution" to that is GBT. With GBT, you run a full bitcoin node as if you were a solominer. The GBT pool then instructs you some requirements/constraints on blocks you should mine. If you believe those constraints are sound, then you can start mining, but within those constraints, you have total freedom of the transactions you include in the blocks or not. As long as the constraints are respected, the pool will reward you shares.

Thus, GBT is a system to bring the advantages of both solomining (control over the accepted transactions) and pooled mining (lower variance), and none of the disadvantages.

Unfortunately, GBT is still a quite heavy protocol, both for the miner and the pool; thus it is not quite ready for primetime. But if you feel like it, you can GBT mine on eligius to help improve the protocol.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo01 on February 10, 2014, 06:01:23 PM
Site seems down atm,

Also how would I raise a ticket I am missing 4 payments.

I got the first payment out of 5 fine but the other 4 have not been paid into my account.

Any know ? Cheers

Missing payments on:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 10, 2014, 10:20:10 PM
Missing payments on:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

If you click on the "G" on your payments, you can see the page of the block that payed it. If you find your address on that page, then you were payed out. (Or if you don't trust it, you can go check the block on blockexplorer or blockchain.info) If you were payed out, then the pool doesnt have the money anymore and the problem is on your client side.

First, some client won't show unconfirmed transactions. Generations transations take 120 blocks to confirm, about a day.

Second, exchange wallets, such as BTC-E, do NOT support generation transactions, as it is stated on their site. Generated coins sent to that address are simply lost/kept by the exchange. (If it's the case, you might be lucky if you contact them)


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo01 on February 10, 2014, 11:33:02 PM
Missing payments on:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

If you click on the "G" on your payments, you can see the page of the block that payed it. If you find your address on that page, then you were payed out. (Or if you don't trust it, you can go check the block on blockexplorer or blockchain.info) If you were payed out, then the pool doesnt have the money anymore and the problem is on your client side.

First, some client won't show unconfirmed transactions. Generations transations take 120 blocks to confirm, about a day.

Second, exchange wallets, such as BTC-E, do NOT support generation transactions, as it is stated on their site. Generated coins sent to that address are simply lost/kept by the exchange. (If it's the case, you might be lucky if you contact them)

Yeah been looking into it all night, Seems like the payments have hit my wallet address at Localcoins then vanished yet 1 out of 5 went though.

Have raised a ticket with localcoins and missing 0.2BTC roughly and would be pretty pissed if I never got it back.

Is there anyway to see where the coins went after they hit Localcoins ?

The address they were sent to are 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN

Missing amounts of:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

Can be seen hitting the wallet anyone make sense of the account or where they went next ?

Cheers


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 10, 2014, 11:53:18 PM
Yeah been looking into it all night, Seems like the payments have hit my wallet address at Localcoins then vanished yet 1 out of 5 went though.

Have raised a ticket with localcoins and missing 0.2BTC roughly and would be pretty pissed if I never got it back.

Is there anyway to see where the coins went after they hit Localcoins ?

The address they were sent to are 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN

Missing amounts of:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

Can be seen hitting the wallet anyone make sense of the account or where they went next ?

Cheers

As I can see from your miner page, the first payout was sent as a "send" transaction, not a generation transaction. (Eligius usally tries do do all payouts from generations, it is safer that way, but occasionnaly, there is a hiccup in the system and the coins are sent later, with a "send" transaction.) That's why your first payout went trough.

Now if I follow the transaction for 0.04274496 BTC on blockchain.info, I can see that the tx 76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277 (https://blockchain.info/tx/76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277) indeed sent 0.04274496 BTC to 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN. Those 0.04274496 BTC, with some other coins (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/112249463),  were then spent to a bunch of other addresses.

The exchange thus really noticed the coins, but that does not mean (yet) that they "stole" them.

At this point, Eligius can do nothing for you to recover those four payments.

However, I would advise that you immediately change your mining address to somewhere else, eighter wallet you run on your computer (safest), or an e-wallet. (I find the blockchain.info wallet (https://blockchain.info/wallet) quite good.)

Maybe you could have luck in asking wizkid or luke-jr, the pool operator, to send the remainder of the balance as a "send" transaction instead of a generation transaction. (But I wouldn't count on that either. For security reasons, they don't accept requests to send an accout's balance to another address. But maybe asking of it to be sent to the same address, but by a different mechanism, they would accept. I don't know.)


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo01 on February 11, 2014, 12:04:36 AM
Yeah been looking into it all night, Seems like the payments have hit my wallet address at Localcoins then vanished yet 1 out of 5 went though.

Have raised a ticket with localcoins and missing 0.2BTC roughly and would be pretty pissed if I never got it back.

Is there anyway to see where the coins went after they hit Localcoins ?

The address they were sent to are 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN

Missing amounts of:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

Can be seen hitting the wallet anyone make sense of the account or where they went next ?

Cheers

As I can see from your miner page, the first payout was sent as a "send" transaction, not a generation transaction. (Eligius usally tries do do all payouts from generations, it is safer that way, but occasionnaly, there is a hiccup in the system and the coins are sent later, with a "send" transaction.) That's why your first payout went trough.

Now if I follow the transaction for 0.04274496 BTC on blockchain.info, I can see that the tx 76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277 (https://blockchain.info/tx/76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277) indeed sent 0.04274496 BTC to 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN. Those 0.04274496 BTC, with some other coins (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/112249463),  were then spent to a bunch of other addresses.

The exchange thus really noticed the coins, but that does not mean (yet) that they "stole" them.

At this point, Eligius can do nothing for you to recover those four payments.

However, I would advise that you immediately change your mining address to somewhere else, eighter wallet you run on your computer (safest), or an e-wallet. (I find the blockchain.info wallet (https://blockchain.info/wallet) quite good.)

Maybe you could have luck in asking wizkid or luke-jr, the pool operator, to send the remainder of the balance as a "send" transaction instead of a generation transaction. (But I wouldn't count on that either. For security reasons, they don't accept requests to send an accout's balance to another address. But maybe asking of it to be sent to the same address, but by a different mechanism, they would accept. I don't know.)

Yeah the first payment I got came though not an issue but then I was getting rather worried when  none of the rest were coming though, I have since pulled that account and opened with Blockchain.

I have raised a ticket with Localcoins as the BTC hit my wallet then went to diffrent address. If Wizkid is reading this let me know if you can help me resolve the issue.

Hopefully gets all resolved or will be a few days wasted  :'(


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 11, 2014, 12:14:39 AM
Hopefully gets all resolved or will be a few days wasted  :'(

Bitcoin is a risky buisness, and beginners make mistake. At least you learnt something! :)

And lets just say that those few days worth of bitcoins are not that bad. On my side, I might I lost about 4 months of mining if Mt.Gox goes under :(

I learnt too. Should not have trusted the Gox.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 11, 2014, 12:17:53 AM
Yeah been looking into it all night, Seems like the payments have hit my wallet address at Localcoins then vanished yet 1 out of 5 went though.

Have raised a ticket with localcoins and missing 0.2BTC roughly and would be pretty pissed if I never got it back.

Is there anyway to see where the coins went after they hit Localcoins ?

The address they were sent to are 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN

Missing amounts of:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

Can be seen hitting the wallet anyone make sense of the account or where they went next ?

Cheers

As I can see from your miner page, the first payout was sent as a "send" transaction, not a generation transaction. (Eligius usally tries do do all payouts from generations, it is safer that way, but occasionnaly, there is a hiccup in the system and the coins are sent later, with a "send" transaction.) That's why your first payout went trough.

Now if I follow the transaction for 0.04274496 BTC on blockchain.info, I can see that the tx 76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277 (https://blockchain.info/tx/76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277) indeed sent 0.04274496 BTC to 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN. Those 0.04274496 BTC, with some other coins (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/112249463),  were then spent to a bunch of other addresses.

The exchange thus really noticed the coins, but that does not mean (yet) that they "stole" them.

At this point, Eligius can do nothing for you to recover those four payments.

However, I would advise that you immediately change your mining address to somewhere else, eighter wallet you run on your computer (safest), or an e-wallet. (I find the blockchain.info wallet (https://blockchain.info/wallet) quite good.)

Maybe you could have luck in asking wizkid or luke-jr, the pool operator, to send the remainder of the balance as a "send" transaction instead of a generation transaction. (But I wouldn't count on that either. For security reasons, they don't accept requests to send an accout's balance to another address. But maybe asking of it to be sent to the same address, but by a different mechanism, they would accept. I don't know.)

Yeah the first payment I got came though not an issue but then I was getting rather worried when  none of the rest were coming though, I have since pulled that account and opened with Blockchain.

I have raised a ticket with Localcoins as the BTC hit my wallet then went to diffrent address. If Wizkid is reading this let me know if you can help me resolve the issue.

Hopefully gets all resolved or will be a few days wasted  :'(



Nothing I can do since Eligius paid the coins to the address you used at the pool. Sorry. :( you'll have to take it up with localcoins


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 11, 2014, 12:45:48 AM
Hopefully gets all resolved or will be a few days wasted  :'(

Bitcoin is a risky buisness, and beginners make mistake. At least you learnt something! :)

And lets just say that those few days worth of bitcoins are not that bad. On my side, I might I lost about 4 months of mining if Mt.Gox goes under :(

I learnt too. Should not have trusted the Gox.

The real lesson is never to trust your coins with any pool, online-wallet, exchange, or any other place than your own, secure wallet on your own computer.  Wallets were created for a reason.  The big exchanges are big targets for thieves, hackers, scammers, etc.  Not to mention, there is always the possibility of incompetence and/or malfeasance on the part of the pool/exchange/online-wallet owners.  Which appears to be the case with MtGox.

Eligius is great because it does not hold coins for you, they are mined straight into your wallet.  This may be a little less "user friendly" to people who do not want to set up a wallet, but it is really the most secure option.  Mined coins can never be "stolen" or "lost" from Eligius because they never belong to Eligius in the first place.  (Although I suppose Eligius could be hacked so that the next mined block goes to some arbitrary address...)


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 11, 2014, 01:31:41 AM
*snip*
Although I suppose Eligius could be hacked so that the next mined block goes to some arbitrary address...

Since Eligius supports GBT mining, and the coinbase payout transaction is exposed via stratum, I have many remote servers checking for such a change so I would know immediately if the pool were not paying appropriate addresses, and I would obviously take action.

Edit: Also, there are many security measures in place on the servers themselves to prevent such changes.  The pool will actually shut down and prevent mining all together under certain conditions where the software can not perfectly reconcile the accounting data.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 11, 2014, 04:48:08 AM
*snip*
Although I suppose Eligius could be hacked so that the next mined block goes to some arbitrary address...

Since Eligius supports GBT mining, and the coinbase payout transaction is exposed via stratum, I have many remote servers checking for such a change so I would know immediately if the pool were not paying appropriate addresses, and I would obviously take action.

Edit: Also, there are many security measures in place on the servers themselves to prevent such changes.  The pool will actually shut down and prevent mining all together under certain conditions where the software can not perfectly reconcile the accounting data.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to insinuate anything.  I know you've got tons of checks and balances, and audits and failsafes built into the system.  I don't doubt you, your capabilities, or your motivations at all.  I certainly trust Eligius more than I trust any other pool, which is why I'm mining here.  But the fact is that all people are fallible, and all software has bugs.  It's not inconceivable that something could happen.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo01 on February 11, 2014, 10:58:13 AM
Yeah been looking into it all night, Seems like the payments have hit my wallet address at Localcoins then vanished yet 1 out of 5 went though.

Have raised a ticket with localcoins and missing 0.2BTC roughly and would be pretty pissed if I never got it back.

Is there anyway to see where the coins went after they hit Localcoins ?

The address they were sent to are 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN

Missing amounts of:

2014-02-10 16:24:48 (G)   0.06262604 BTC
2014-02-09 20:03:12 (G)   0.05129054 BTC
2014-02-09 06:41:20 (G)   0.04412432 BTC
2014-02-08 15:09:20 (G)   0.04274496 BTC

Can be seen hitting the wallet anyone make sense of the account or where they went next ?

Cheers

As I can see from your miner page, the first payout was sent as a "send" transaction, not a generation transaction. (Eligius usally tries do do all payouts from generations, it is safer that way, but occasionnaly, there is a hiccup in the system and the coins are sent later, with a "send" transaction.) That's why your first payout went trough.

Now if I follow the transaction for 0.04274496 BTC on blockchain.info, I can see that the tx 76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277 (https://blockchain.info/tx/76800ce837512dcb4b88bd81cb66689bcfbd7f8194eccf5a0a3d5ba7b8382277) indeed sent 0.04274496 BTC to 1JXhZpoUnMh1vwD7SPsrQaWxYVpG5fbhSN. Those 0.04274496 BTC, with some other coins (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/112249463),  were then spent to a bunch of other addresses.

The exchange thus really noticed the coins, but that does not mean (yet) that they "stole" them.

At this point, Eligius can do nothing for you to recover those four payments.

However, I would advise that you immediately change your mining address to somewhere else, eighter wallet you run on your computer (safest), or an e-wallet. (I find the blockchain.info wallet (https://blockchain.info/wallet) quite good.)

Maybe you could have luck in asking wizkid or luke-jr, the pool operator, to send the remainder of the balance as a "send" transaction instead of a generation transaction. (But I wouldn't count on that either. For security reasons, they don't accept requests to send an accout's balance to another address. But maybe asking of it to be sent to the same address, but by a different mechanism, they would accept. I don't know.)

Yeah the first payment I got came though not an issue but then I was getting rather worried when  none of the rest were coming though, I have since pulled that account and opened with Blockchain.

I have raised a ticket with Localcoins as the BTC hit my wallet then went to diffrent address. If Wizkid is reading this let me know if you can help me resolve the issue.

Hopefully gets all resolved or will be a few days wasted  :'(



Nothing I can do since Eligius paid the coins to the address you used at the pool. Sorry. :( you'll have to take it up with localcoins

Yeah not a problem, learnt that mistake early even though 2 days lost nothing huge I guess. Hopefully Localcoins reply to me.

Thank though


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CanaryInTheMine on February 11, 2014, 04:22:07 PM
Impressive gains lately... :)

Come Tuesday night and Wednesday those S1s are arriving in droves.  prepare...


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo01 on February 11, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
Sadly no reply from localbitcoins :/ 0.2BTC Lost the the exchange :(

New BTC Address is getting payments perfect,

LocalBitcoins Exhange dontations address for the sadness: 1Q39uHiGDHXNLdmNjxjzPTrHLz2a3Ci2rq  ::)

Anyway pool speed is rocketing the two top contributors could solo mine and earn loads.

When these ants hit the pool like canary says in a few days speed will peak big.

 




Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 12, 2014, 12:19:14 AM
Sadly no reply from localbitcoins :/ 0.2BTC Lost the the exchange :(
New BTC Address is getting payments perfect,
LocalBitcoins Exhange dontations address for the sadness: 1Q39uHiGDHXNLdmNjxjzPTrHLz2a3Ci2rq  ::)
Anyway pool speed is rocketing the two top contributors could solo mine and earn loads.
When these ants hit the pool like canary says in a few days speed will peak big.

I'm not so sure, I think at least some of them were already hashing.
I have seen a small drop in difficulty and a small increase in time per block over the last couple of days (looking with the BitCoin Price App.), rather than the relentless upwards increase of the past few months, so we may just be putting back on that which was taken off.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Slesh on February 12, 2014, 09:30:14 AM
Hi

 where can I find history of blocks and my rewards for them?

thanks for any help
 


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 12, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
Hi, I have a (probably stupid) question...

I noticed that the difference between the theoretical maximal payout and the actual payout is getting larger. Is that normal?
The large deviation started when I overclocked my miner, is this a coincidence?

http://i.imgur.com/rBa8i89l.png

edit: I added the red line. It seems that the payouts are following the red line (so the previous, non-OCed trend)


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 12, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
Hi, I have a (probably stupid) question...

I noticed that the difference between the theoretical maximal payout and the actual payout is getting larger. Is that normal?
The large deviation started when I overclocked my miner, is this a coincidence?

edit: I added the red line. It seems that the payouts are following the red line (so the previous, non-OCed trend)

Coincidence.  Just seems to coincide with our current unlucky streak :(  Hopefully things pick up soon.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Atomar on February 12, 2014, 11:37:10 AM
What is the profit using GBT instead of stratum?

Thus, GBT is a system to bring the advantages of both solomining (control over the accepted transactions) and pooled mining (lower variance), and none of the disadvantages.

Unfortunately, GBT is still a quite heavy protocol, both for the miner and the pool; thus it is not quite ready for primetime. But if you feel like it, you can GBT mine on eligius to help improve the protocol.

So.
a) If the protocol is not ready yet, why do you Support the protocol ??
b) Should I just change my BE's and try the protocol ?? Just for fun ?!
c) Is the payout the same or do I loos some earning ??

I just like to try some new things ;)

Thanks


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 12, 2014, 12:07:23 PM
Hi, I have a (probably stupid) question...

I noticed that the difference between the theoretical maximal payout and the actual payout is getting larger. Is that normal?
The large deviation started when I overclocked my miner, is this a coincidence?

edit: I added the red line. It seems that the payouts are following the red line (so the previous, non-OCed trend)

Coincidence.  Just seems to coincide with our current unlucky streak :(  Hopefully things pick up soon.

that was what I thought, just wanted to be sure ;)

Yes, this is a bad streak. We will see what happens... Lets hope we have better luck in the comming days, before the new difficulty jump


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: BuildTheFuture on February 12, 2014, 02:58:41 PM
Small improvement idea: I usually customize the payout threshold to be lower as soon as I start a new device/address hashing. But I've noticed the first payout still doesn't occur until the default threshold. After that, it works correctly.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 12, 2014, 03:34:25 PM
So.
a) If the protocol is not ready yet, why do you Support the protocol ??
b) Should I just change my BE's and try the protocol ?? Just for fun ?!
c) Is the payout the same or do I loos some earning ??

I just like to try some new things ;)

Thanks

a) The protocol exists, and should work, but has not been thourouly tested like Stratum. Think of it as a beta test. I -do- think it is much more functionnal now than the last time I tested, but I still remains an heavier load for the pool (not your problem I guess). (Can wizkid confirm?)
b) For fun, why not? But you'll need to have a bitcoind running on your computer.
c) Nominally, it should be the same. It will be a slightly heavier load on you computer, but since CPU don't mine anymore, the whole power of your ASIC should be used. But compare hashrates to be sure.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Atomar on February 12, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
So far so good. Thanks for your answere!

All sounds good an easy. But I don't want to set up another wallet on my pc.
So for now I will stay with stratum I guess.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 13, 2014, 03:12:54 AM
WOW the top 5 miners take 47% and the other 6340 get the crumbs. To each their fair share :'(
Wiz looks like a manual payout coming again.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 13, 2014, 03:13:35 AM
Wiz looks like a manual payout coming again.

Probably tomorrow.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 13, 2014, 03:56:09 AM
Wiz looks like a manual payout coming again.

Probably tomorrow.

Nevermind, had some time so got it done tonight.

548.40421839 BTC (4.6 TBC) in manual payments applied to balances from tx 89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd

:D


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 13, 2014, 05:10:07 AM
Hi there, question on stats.

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17PHEZaiJqARt7GkBC8MLRijUDSgAgpH9P

As I post this, my 256 second shares are 11392, but my 22.5 minute (and the longer periods) shares are 7896. I was assuming the longer periods are all shares going back that far, but then the longer periods aren't apparently including the shorter more recent periods?

Edit: Ahh sorry. Just saw this "and about 675 seconds for the graphs, longer-timeframe hashrate numbers, and other datas". They update on different frequencies so that explains the confusion. Never mind. :)


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: BuildTheFuture on February 13, 2014, 05:46:20 AM
So with the video out showing KNC's new farm already partially up and running, we can guess one of those big new Eligius users is them?


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 13, 2014, 06:09:59 AM
So with the video out showing KNC's new farm already partially up and running, we can guess one of those big new Eligius users is them?

I would guess that they are the 1A73 user pushing 1PH.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 13, 2014, 06:22:29 AM
Small improvement idea: I usually customize the payout threshold to be lower as soon as I start a new device/address hashing. But I've noticed the first payout still doesn't occur until the default threshold. After that, it works correctly.

The payout treshold takes some time to update; up to 24 hours. Thus maybe that by the first payout the treshold was not yet updated internally?


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: azdarknet on February 13, 2014, 07:05:03 AM
So with the video out showing KNC's new farm already partially up and running, we can guess one of those big new Eligius users is them?

Can I get a link to that video I cant seem to find it using my google fooo


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biffa on February 13, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
So with the video out showing KNC's new farm already partially up and running, we can guess one of those big new Eligius users is them?

Can I get a link to that video I cant seem to find it using my google fooo

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-boden


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biffa on February 13, 2014, 10:13:22 AM
Wiz looks like a manual payout coming again.

Probably tomorrow.

Nevermind, had some time so got it done tonight.

548.40421839 BTC (4.6 TBC) in manual payments applied to balances from tx 89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd

:D


Is this the source of the multiple 0.00000001 BTC payments that take ages to be verified?


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: andi1 on February 13, 2014, 11:15:31 AM
Hello folks can someone help me out on entering my address on this pool

im using cgi miner

its says use stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -u YourAddress -p x -I 9

Whats the bits in red for or do i just miss those out totally and put:-

stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334myaddressimmediatelyafterhere

also do i leave worker and password empty then?

thanks


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on February 13, 2014, 11:32:54 AM
Hello folks can someone help me out on entering my address on this pool

im using cgi miner

its says use stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -u YourAddress -p x -I 9

Whats the bits in red for or do i just miss those out totally and put:-

stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -u myaddressimmediatelyafterhere -p x

also do i leave worker and password empty then?

thanks
I adjusted your post above.  You need to keep the spaces in the command line.  

The "YourAddress" is your bitcoin address.  The password part can stay as shown above.  The interrupt setting is for GPU mining which is a waste of electricity at the current difficulty.  If you are running an ASIC, then you do not need the "-I 9" setting. All of this is in the cgminer readme files.


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 13, 2014, 01:32:20 PM
Wiz looks like a manual payout coming again.

Probably tomorrow.

Nevermind, had some time so got it done tonight.

548.40421839 BTC (4.6 TBC) in manual payments applied to balances from tx 89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd

:D


Thanks Wiz


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Atomar on February 13, 2014, 02:59:33 PM
Fail-safe mode again ??


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 13, 2014, 03:05:03 PM
Hi everyone,

I caught a glitch in the stats this morning that was causing some data to be processed out of order. :(
It appears to only happen during times of heavy server load (where one pool server reports to the stats with a slight delay over another).

I put in some code to better account for this on the pool server side, and I'm having the server recheck/rebuild stats for the past 24 hours or so, just to make sure no misinformation sneaked in due to the minor sync issue.

Pool is operating normally, so, no worries there as always.  Just a stats glitch :(

Should be back to normal in no time (within an hour or so).

-wk


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 13, 2014, 05:30:06 PM
The pool speed on the title is 800Th behind times....seen it running at 4800Th most of today. :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: SaInT-DeViL on February 13, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
argh i wish i had only one hour that 1000TH/s hashrate :(


Title: Re: [4000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on February 13, 2014, 08:49:35 PM
The pool speed on the title is 800Th behind times....seen it running at 4800Th most of today. :)

It's jumping up and down atm. 7.3PH and KnC is showing 2PH
I think real rate is that 4800.

i quess their force is messing with stats. -wizkid057 pipes are really heating up with force coming from Sweden :)

It went from 7 --> 5 while taking screenshot but 2PH for this user was still there. Massive force anyway lol they got 1PH up in about 10days. Is that 5 PH in a month.
they rake 150k$ /day to pay Neptune refunds.

http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/30782/badb28307818545.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/badb28307818545)

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 13, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
Stats are just a little glitchy due to the issue i referred to earlier.  Working on ironing it out.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo01 on February 14, 2014, 09:39:17 AM
Good news, been pressing onto Localbitcoins and should be getting my coins back today.

Pool speed is rocketing!! Glad to see Wiz Keeping us updated and with all the glitches

Great pool


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 14, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
Just checked there, and Eligius is 200TH faster than BTCGuild.  Not seen that before!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: amaclin on February 14, 2014, 06:31:19 PM
hi
i have a question
how can i submit non-standard tx for Eligius pool?
i did some changes in my bitcoin-qt and it accepts now raw tx with non-standard inputs
i run it with option -connect=relay.eligius.st but there in no peer on that address now
and the second question: what is the fee for small but non-standard transaction? 0.00008192 BTC per 1kb?
thanks


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: xzempt on February 14, 2014, 09:52:48 PM
gonna give this pool a try...... 

btcguild fees are getting boring.....


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dbbit on February 15, 2014, 09:38:49 AM
Is there currently a problem with the Hashrate graph?

I see no lines over the last 5 hours, yet I have shares being submitted and the numbers are being updated.

The balance graph is also updating.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: malamashka on February 15, 2014, 12:12:19 PM
Stats are just a little glitchy due to the issue i referred to earlier.  Working on ironing it out.

Stats only ??? the payout dont working also ! And noone answers on forum ?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: aurel57 on February 15, 2014, 02:48:42 PM
I just switch to another pool as when I check blocklist http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php this pool has not found a block since #285942 so I wonder if something else is wrong? Will switch back once I know all is right.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on February 15, 2014, 03:04:44 PM
I just switch to another pool as when I check blocklist http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php this pool has not found a block since #285942 so I wonder if something else is wrong? Will switch back once I know all is right.

Let's hope it's just bad luck and will be followed by great luck.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CeeCee on February 15, 2014, 03:21:18 PM
https://blockchain.info/de/blocks

Eligius has found blocks!!! Guys read the big red letters and keep calm! Keep mining and everything will be fixed. No work is lost!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Namsbreh on February 15, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
https://blockchain.info/de/blocks

Eligius has found blocks!!! Guys read the big red letters and keep calm! Keep mining and everything will be fixed. No work is lost!

Phew thanks for that link, 22 blocks so far today.

I left slush pool hoping to get away from 12+ hours blocks.  Glad to see its a stats glitch.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CeeCee on February 15, 2014, 03:32:34 PM
https://blockchain.info/de/blocks

Eligius has found blocks!!! Guys read the big red letters and keep calm! Keep mining and everything will be fixed. No work is lost!
Eventually ... and no work lost does not mean no $ lost ... we'v seen enough system with nice in but no out last month ... does we need one more ?
are you the troll form the last thread? go away and troll somewhere else. you are speaking about one of the most reliable pools!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/DoNotFeedTroll.svg/220px-DoNotFeedTroll.svg.png


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: aurel57 on February 15, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
https://blockchain.info/de/blocks

Eligius has found blocks!!! Guys read the big red letters and keep calm! Keep mining and everything will be fixed. No work is lost!
Thank you for posting the link. Some of the pools found blocks must be the one ones that show on my link as unknown for some reason. Thanks again.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 15, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
No payout, Scam!!! Wizkid has stolen all our coin!
LOL what a bunch of Asshats :D


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 15, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
The troll is back on a shiny new alias. Hitting ignore in 3 - 2 - 1


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on February 15, 2014, 04:36:32 PM
ON the IRC channel it says the pool is working and stats are recorded and that the system is just catching up now.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 15, 2014, 05:11:26 PM
Hi all,

Looks like a bug in my stats database replication code caused the stats to stop receiving data from the core server about 12 hours ago.  This is why the stats were not updating.

Also, an orphaned block that took an extended period of time to be reorg'd out caused a CPPSRB failsafe (which paused payouts).

Sheesh... I leave for one day (Valentines Day!) and all hell breaks loose. lol.

In any case, the newly replaced core database servers remained happy throughout all of this, and all shares are accounted for.

CPPSRB is catching up (it is about 12 hours behind) and I will fix the stats replication bug and get that catching up also.

Afterwards I will get a manual payout together and get everyone paid.  No worries!

-wk

Note: I used self-moderated for the first time just now and removed ~3 troll posts.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 15, 2014, 07:07:55 PM
Catch up is still going.  Quite a bit of data, plus continuously adding more as people mine.  I expect it will probably take at least a few more hours. :(


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: eleuthria on February 15, 2014, 07:13:03 PM
Sheesh... I leave for one day (Valentines Day!) and all hell breaks loose. lol.

Murphy's law at work.  This is why I don't even get into my car without a laptop and 3g/4g hotspot.  My biggest fear over the holidays was something happening during the drive between California and Nevada in the areas where you can't get enough signal for internet access.  It really sucks on holidays though :(.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biontic on February 15, 2014, 07:20:26 PM
Lovely - Thanks for the update wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: OrnateRock on February 15, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
Lovely - Thanks for the update wk
+1
Keep up a good work :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 15, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Sheesh... I leave for one day (Valentines Day!) and all hell breaks loose. lol.

Murphy's law at work.  This is why I don't even get into my car without a laptop and 3g/4g hotspot.  My biggest fear over the holidays was something happening during the drive between California and Nevada in the areas where you can't get enough signal for internet access.  It really sucks on holidays though :(.

I actually had a laptop with me and everything I needed to access Eligius if need be, not that I wanted to spend the holiday working on the pool...

But, my emergency alerts are generally for core pool functions, all of which remained operational.  This was just a problem with stats, and the pool can run fine with or without stats, so, none of my scripts notified me via any emergency methods like a core pool issue would have.

Catch up is still proceeding.  CPPSRB is caught up to block 285974, stats are slower and are caught up to 285924. So far so good.  Once CPPSRB is all caught up it should free up some core DB resources to speed up stats catch up a bit.

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on February 15, 2014, 09:03:22 PM
thanks for the update hopefully it will be caught up before I go to sleep in the next 8-10 hours


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: canford on February 15, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
Thanks for the great work running the pool!

FYI small typo in the auto-notice: "balanaces"


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 15, 2014, 09:17:32 PM
Thanks for the great work running the pool!

FYI small typo in the auto-notice: "balanaces"

Oops!

Edit: Was a pull req. for this already, merged it.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on February 15, 2014, 09:18:03 PM
Thanks for the update.
No rush. Better to do it thorough.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AlexeyK on February 15, 2014, 10:27:45 PM
Sheesh... I leave for one day (Valentines Day!) and all hell breaks loose. lol.

Murphy's law at work.  This is why I don't even get into my car without a laptop and 3g/4g hotspot.  My biggest fear over the holidays was something happening during the drive between California and Nevada in the areas where you can't get enough signal for internet access.  It really sucks on holidays though :(.

I actually had a laptop with me and everything I needed to access Eligius if need be, not that I wanted to spend the holiday working on the pool...

But, my emergency alerts are generally for core pool functions, all of which remained operational.  This was just a problem with stats, and the pool can run fine with or without stats, so, none of my scripts notified me via any emergency methods like a core pool issue would have.

Catch up is still proceeding.  CPPSRB is caught up to block 285974, stats are slower and are caught up to 295924. So far so good.  Once CPPSRB is all caught up it should free up some core DB resources to speed up stats catch up a bit.

-wk

block 295924 ? probably typo :)

once CPPSRB caught up payouts will be made ?

thanks for updates .


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 15, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
Sheesh... I leave for one day (Valentines Day!) and all hell breaks loose. lol.

Murphy's law at work.  This is why I don't even get into my car without a laptop and 3g/4g hotspot.  My biggest fear over the holidays was something happening during the drive between California and Nevada in the areas where you can't get enough signal for internet access.  It really sucks on holidays though :(.

I actually had a laptop with me and everything I needed to access Eligius if need be, not that I wanted to spend the holiday working on the pool...

But, my emergency alerts are generally for core pool functions, all of which remained operational.  This was just a problem with stats, and the pool can run fine with or without stats, so, none of my scripts notified me via any emergency methods like a core pool issue would have.

Catch up is still proceeding.  CPPSRB is caught up to block 285974, stats are slower and are caught up to 295924. So far so good.  Once CPPSRB is all caught up it should free up some core DB resources to speed up stats catch up a bit.

-wk

block 295924 ? probably typo :)

once CPPSRB caught up payouts will be made ?

thanks for updates .

Oops, fixed.

Once CPPSRB is caught up auto payouts will resume and I will try to get a manual payout together soon after.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: 8bitslacker on February 15, 2014, 10:36:07 PM
Thanks for all the updates and hard work wk!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joeventura on February 15, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
Thanks Wizkid appreciate all your efforts!!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 12:15:40 AM
Ok, CPPSRB is caught up, and I did a partial manual payout in txid b0be73203c6593616d1734900b4aa93306500669dfa14f69ece73a66e123f639 (https://blockchain.info/tx/b0be73203c6593616d1734900b4aa93306500669dfa14f69ece73a66e123f639?show_adv=true)

Later, after more coins get 120 confirmations, I will pay the remainder of the payout queue.

Stats are still way behind, but I'm working on a way to speed that up.  Stay tuned.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 16, 2014, 12:37:24 AM
Ok, CPPSRB is caught up, and I did a partial manual payout in txid b0be73203c6593616d1734900b4aa93306500669dfa14f69ece73a66e123f639 (https://blockchain.info/tx/b0be73203c6593616d1734900b4aa93306500669dfa14f69ece73a66e123f639?show_adv=true)

Later, after more coins get 120 confirmations, I will pay the remainder of the payout queue.

Stats are still way behind, but I'm working on a way to speed that up.  Stay tuned.

Do the manual payouts show up on the stats page (eventually)?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 16, 2014, 12:50:16 AM

Quote
if u cant handle it for free just make some % better then putting pool of unknowable for users state for undefined time ...

Wtf does that mean?

Man,I must be suffering from brain damage because I can't make any sense of the above quote.

Art


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 16, 2014, 01:14:13 AM

well tnx for the payout rly ... but who gives a shit about ur private life ... $ is $ .. and erasing posts does not changes the facts ...
this pool stats/payouts crashes too often for a such good pool despite the really honest & responsible work of the owners ... if u cant handle it for free just make some % better then putting pool of unknowable for users state for undefined time ...
[/quote]

STFU! you mush mouthed Asshat. Go back to whatever toilet you climbed out of and never post here again.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on February 16, 2014, 01:32:16 AM

well tnx for the payout rly ... but who gives a shit about ur private life ... $ is $ .. and erasing posts does not changes the facts ...
this pool stats/payouts crashes too often for a such good pool despite the really honest & responsible work of the owners ... if u cant handle it for free just make some % better then putting pool of unknowable for users state for undefined time ...

You really should have more brains than to post this. First if you think you can do it better with less downtime do it. Its a lot harder to manage something this massive than you think. Second the OP has done nothing but kept us updated on this time consuming task. He looked into it quickly and responded to us the same. If you do not like it join a different pool. And free has nothing to do with it he went on vacation which everyone is entitled to. Grow up and stop being so rude.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 01:52:50 AM
Ok, CPPSRB is caught up, and I did a partial manual payout in txid b0be73203c6593616d1734900b4aa93306500669dfa14f69ece73a66e123f639 (https://blockchain.info/tx/b0be73203c6593616d1734900b4aa93306500669dfa14f69ece73a66e123f639?show_adv=true)

Later, after more coins get 120 confirmations, I will pay the remainder of the payout queue.

Stats are still way behind, but I'm working on a way to speed that up.  Stay tuned.

Do the manual payouts show up on the stats page (eventually)?


Yes, they'll show up as soon as stats are caught up.

-----

Note: Deleted another troll post.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 16, 2014, 01:55:52 AM

well tnx for the payout rly ... but who gives a shit about ur private life ... $ is $ .. and erasing posts does not changes the facts ...
this pool stats/payouts crashes too often for a such good pool despite the really honest & responsible work of the owners ... if u cant handle it for free just make some % better then putting pool of unknowable for users state for undefined time ...

You really should have more brains than to post this. First if you think you can do it better with less downtime do it. Its a lot harder to manage something this massive than you think. Second the OP has done nothing but kept us updated on this time consuming task. He looked into it quickly and responded to us the same. If you do not like it join a different pool. And free has nothing to do with it he went on vacation which everyone is entitled to. Grow up and stop being so rude.

Well, that about says it all, doesn't it? Had my own acidic reply all ready to go, but yours is better.

WK, ignore the morons. They make you look good, frankly. Eligius went from being an "also ran" to one of the biggest pools out there in short order in no small part because it's operator has his shit wired. These little glitches are a minor annoyance at worst. Probably a major headache for Wizkid, but they cause me no harm. We always get our coins. Last time, WK was on here for three days getting it fixed. Pretty damned impressive for a system that charges no fees. Many of us have put in the voluntary donation, and for my part, I think it's money well spent.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: cccminer on February 16, 2014, 01:56:30 AM
Hi all,

Looks like a bug in my stats database replication code caused the stats to stop receiving data from the core server about 12 hours ago.  This is why the stats were not updating.

Also, an orphaned block that took an extended period of time to be reorg'd out caused a CPPSRB failsafe (which paused payouts).

Sheesh... I leave for one day (Valentines Day!) and all hell breaks loose. lol.

In any case, the newly replaced core database servers remained happy throughout all of this, and all shares are accounted for.

CPPSRB is catching up (it is about 12 hours behind) and I will fix the stats replication bug and get that catching up also.

Afterwards I will get a manual payout together and get everyone paid.  No worries!

-wk

Note: I used self-moderated for the first time just now and removed ~3 troll posts.
well tnx for the payout rly ... but who gives a shit about ur private life ... $ is $ .. and erasing posts does not changes the facts ...
this pool stats/payouts crashes too often for a such good pool despite the really honest & responsible work of the owners ... if u cant handle it for free just make some % better then putting pool of unknowable for users state for undefined time ...


Cut whizkid some slack.  He is handling over $200 million in bitcoin payments a year and is doing it for less than minimum wage, relying on the generosity of members and equipment donations.

Remember, he has a full time job besides eligius.  If you want more uptime and statistics,  you should donate more.

Furthermore, he is perfectly entitled to delete criticism in his own thread.  Unless you have some praise,   criticism shouldn't be be done here.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 02:05:22 AM
I don't really let the trolls bother me.  More people are more supportive than not, and that is appreciated.

Regardless, I do apologies for the little glitches here and there.  I'm slowly adding to the infrastructure to improve things all around, so, there are only good things to come really.

A side note, I'll point out that the automatic donation % settings in the My Eligius control panel are working now.  If you can, please consider setting up even a small donation percentage on your address.  The panel will accept donations as small as 0.01% of your earnings... and I hope no one would really miss that 0.01% enough to not set it up. ;) (Just remember that the changes can't take effect unless the message is properly signed, so, no one can change your options but you.)

As of this writing, approximately 0.009% of the pool hash rate is donated via the My Eligius control panel.  Not a whole lot when compared to the fees collected by other pools, but it's certainly better than having nothing to work with at all! (For those wondering, right now 0.009% donations works out to almost ~2 BTC per month at the estimated upcoming difficulty)

I'm using data gathered from how much is donated and conservatively projected income from the donations to plan out where to invest the donations into new hardware and software development for Eligius.

Thanks everyone for your support!

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 02:06:42 AM
Furthermore, he is perfectly entitled to delete criticism in his own thread.  Unless you have some praise,   criticism shouldn't be be done here.

I'm certainly not against criticism!  It's the trolling nature and uselessness of some posts that just don't belong here (or anywhere).

I honestly was hoping to never have to use the self-moderation feature... :(


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 16, 2014, 02:16:21 AM
I just got a payout, just a few hours later than expected.

I exhort everyone to consider donating. I'm donating .333/.333./.333 (total 1%), and it is literally dust.

But if a substantial number of users donated just a little bit, we can make it a lot easier on WK and by extension, us.

Cheers

Art


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 16, 2014, 02:34:12 AM
Do the manual payouts show up on the stats page (eventually)?


Yes, they'll show up as soon as stats are caught up.

Thank you wiz!

Quote
Note: Deleted another troll post.

Don't let them get you down.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 02:50:26 AM
Quote
Note: Deleted another troll post.

Don't let them get you down.

I figure its best to note when I delete them so that everyone knows when/what I deleted so that no one can later accuse me of anything crazy related to post deleting. lol.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 03:29:03 AM
Alright, well, I've tweaked the stats replication code as much as possible to speed things along, but, seems that the web server just isn't nearly as fast as the core pool DB servers, so, just going to have to wait this one out I guess. :(

Looks like its running at a little under 2x realtime, give or take, and its ~14 hours behind right now.

I'll check in on it later and see how things are going, but, as you can see the block list is slowly updating.

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ScaryHash on February 16, 2014, 03:58:35 AM
I think you're doing a fine job.

If people don't like the pool, they can go somewhere else. Ignore the asshats.

Some people are really just a load that should have been swallowed, and it shows.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: zycamaniac on February 16, 2014, 04:35:07 AM
Darn it, the trolls are wrong again...

Wouldn't it be kinda funny in a way that things did go wrong, and wizkid posted a pic and say "goodbye suckers" shortly afterwards...  Not that it would be good for anyone, but still kinda funny.  ;D


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 16, 2014, 07:22:15 AM

Maybe set a donation of 0.01% as standard donation and let people change it to 0% in "MyEligius" if they want to. The lazy ones will not change it, the ones who can not sign messages will not change it and you will get free money for your hard work ;)

I will set up a small automatic donation also. :)

Great work, Wiz!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: danyst on February 16, 2014, 09:37:37 AM
I've been donating to Eligius from the fifth day connected to Eligius (after I worked out how to input the signatures to be honest), and I think they deserve it !


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on February 16, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
Alright, well, I've tweaked the stats replication code as much as possible to speed things along, but, seems that the web server just isn't nearly as fast as the core pool DB servers, so, just going to have to wait this one out I guess. :(

Looks like its running at a little under 2x realtime, give or take, and its ~14 hours behind right now.

I'll check in on it later and see how things are going, but, as you can see the block list is slowly updating.

-wk
What webserver software are you using? Do you have full control of it?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 16, 2014, 02:05:50 PM

What webserver software are you using? Do you have full control of it?

As if wizkid057 would openly transmit what software he was using.  That's a big HACK ME sign if he did.

Besides, I'm pretty sure he's written his own server software that hangs off the pool backend.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 16, 2014, 02:25:46 PM
What webserver software are you using? Do you have full control of it?

They run nginx. It's lighter weight and faster than apache.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on February 16, 2014, 02:34:56 PM

What webserver software are you using? Do you have full control of it?

As if wizkid057 would openly transmit what software he was using.  That's a big HACK ME sign if he did.

Besides, I'm pretty sure he's written his own server software that hangs off the pool backend.
I see no problem using any of existing web/app servers. All of them can be secured properly


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sdjernes on February 16, 2014, 02:46:47 PM
I've been donating to Eligius from the fifth day connected to Eligius (after I worked out how to input the signatures to be honest), and I think they deserve it !

I set up a 1% donation in each option as soon as the system would let me into the web interface. I had not even got 22.5 minute stats yet.

I think that we all should support the backbone of our network.  

If there are users with control of data centers or access to get servers in place around the world, you might think of offering some resources to WizKid.

Thanks,
Shawn


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 16, 2014, 03:26:07 PM

I see no problem using any of existing web/app servers. All of them can be secured properly

You totally miss my point.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 03:41:39 PM
The web server runs Apache with nginx in front for caching and other speedups.  Its database is postgresql based.  The core pool servers do not accept any connections or data from the web server, but the pool servers can push data to the web server one-way via a custom setup.  Basically, if the web server gets hacked, oh well.  I just wipe and put up a backup.  The pool itself is still safe.

Looks like the catch up is running much more slowly than expected... I figured it would have been at least close to done by now.  But it is still chugging along... roughly 7 hours behind real-time now.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: jarkkom on February 16, 2014, 05:50:50 PM

Maybe set a donation of 0.01% as standard donation and let people change it to 0% in "MyEligius" if they want to. The lazy ones will not change it, the ones who can not sign messages will not change it and you will get free money for your hard work ;)

I will set up a small automatic donation also. :)

Great work, Wiz!

What he said.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on February 16, 2014, 08:31:42 PM

Maybe set a donation of 0.01% as standard donation and let people change it to 0% in "MyEligius" if they want to. The lazy ones will not change it, the ones who can not sign messages will not change it and you will get free money for your hard work ;)

I will set up a small automatic donation also. :)

Great work, Wiz!

What he said.

+1 thats only fair. Most people are too lazy to setup... or remove donation. I bet most users agree with this.
Make it effective your the boss.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 16, 2014, 08:44:09 PM

Maybe set a donation of 0.01% as standard donation and let people change it to 0% in "MyEligius" if they want to. The lazy ones will not change it, the ones who can not sign messages will not change it and you will get free money for your hard work ;)

I will set up a small automatic donation also. :)

Great work, Wiz!

What he said.

+1 thats only fair. Most people are too lazy to setup... or remove donation. I bet most users agree with this.
Make it effective your the boss.

My only disagreement with this is that it's not free money, if he's doing all the hard work :)

Eligius is huge. I think it would be just fine to have a default donation, as long as it says so, and I think that it would in the long run be to the advantage of the miners if there was a fee. Wizkid could either do it all the time himself or afford to hire staff, and in either case this would be good for us.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 16, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
I agree, and I'd make the default donation 1/2% (total across the categories). That's still lower than most pools.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: pembo210 on February 16, 2014, 09:23:39 PM
i agree


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joeventura on February 16, 2014, 09:26:20 PM

Maybe set a donation of 0.01% as standard donation and let people change it to 0% in "MyEligius" if they want to. The lazy ones will not change it, the ones who can not sign messages will not change it and you will get free money for your hard work ;)

I will set up a small automatic donation also. :)

Great work, Wiz!

What he said.

+1 thats only fair. Most people are too lazy to setup... or remove donation. I bet most users agree with this.
Make it effective your the boss.

My only disagreement with this is that it's not free money, if he's doing all the hard work :)

Eligius is huge. I think it would be just fine to have a default donation, as long as it says so, and I think that it would in the long run be to the advantage of the miners if there was a fee. Wizkid could either do it all the time himself or afford to hire staff, and in either case this would be good for us.

You said exactly what I was thinking!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mjadid on February 16, 2014, 09:52:52 PM
Guys i am trying to access my status but getting this error
504 Gateway Time-out

Anybody getting the same error ? i think there is a problem with the server again or something :-\...


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on February 16, 2014, 09:57:01 PM
Guys i am trying to access my status but getting this error
504 Gateway Time-out

Anybody getting the same error ? i think there is a problem with the server again or something :-\...

Yea I started getting this about 10 minutes ago when I tried. :/


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 16, 2014, 09:57:47 PM
Guys i am trying to access my status but getting this error
504 Gateway Time-out

Anybody getting the same error ? i think there is a problem with the server again or something :-\...

Odds are that Wizkid is working on the stats page, or has taken it down to speed things along. Those were the cases last time the page was down. As long as you're still getting shares in your miner, you're good.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on February 16, 2014, 10:00:54 PM

Maybe set a donation of 0.01% as standard donation and let people change it to 0% in "MyEligius" if they want to. The lazy ones will not change it, the ones who can not sign messages will not change it and you will get free money for your hard work ;)

I will set up a small automatic donation also. :)

Great work, Wiz!

What he said.

+1 thats only fair. Most people are too lazy to setup... or remove donation. I bet most users agree with this.
Make it effective your the boss.

My only disagreement with this is that it's not free money, if he's doing all the hard work :)

Eligius is huge. I think it would be just fine to have a default donation, as long as it says so, and I think that it would in the long run be to the advantage of the miners if there was a fee. Wizkid could either do it all the time himself or afford to hire staff, and in either case this would be good for us.

You said exactly what I was thinking!

One last this i might add... i bet we all agree. We dont want to be running this pool on some old secondhand hardware. In this world where you can buy top notch server hardware with 5-10k$ why not take it from pool donations.... i dont wish to see this bad gateway errors when our webservers gets killed off :D

call Mr. Michael Dell and order some MINT hardware.
$$$ will get some hardware thats for sure.... eaven leased from the hosting site.

Double the hardware. This pool will double in speed in no-time.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 16, 2014, 10:04:56 PM
I'm fairly new to mining and have tried several pools. I'll throw my take in and then take my flaming.
Bitminter: tried it for one day and got fairly lucky made about 20% more than I would have made here, the stats are terrible in comparison to eligius, just wasn't my style.
BTC Guild: mined for a few weeks at first, but just wasn't getting a good return. The site is rock solid and Eleuthria is incredible at answering and explaining any and all questions. It's my failover and always will be.

That being said I think eligius has by far the best user stats, the fairest payouts, and by the way they have grown in the last months others feel the same way. When the site had troubles last month Wiz worked his ass off to get everything fixed all the while being accused of various baseless charges. At that point I changed my donation from zero to 3% split evenly over the available options. When I read in Wiz's post that the total donations for the coming month will be 2 BTC I was to say the least floored.

My favorite aspect of the stats is that they are there for all to see. Not one of the top twenty miners pays one crappy Satoshi towards the site and you can click on any random 100 users and odds are you'll only find one or two that donate. This is a disgrace and an insult to the founders of the site. When i read Wiz saying he had plans to invest the 2 BTC I hope he plans on using it to go out to dinner with his girlfriend. We are all using a service. If you had a coupon for a free dinner at a fancy restaurant would you leave the coupon and not tip? That 2 BTC a month is a joke for all the work people are putting into this site.

Why is Eligius growing so fast because of greedy miners who give nothing in return, sure we solve more blocks quicker, but in reality they won't leave because they're greedy and know a good deal when they see it. Maybe I'm wrong and they are donating a percentage directly to Wiz, and I hope they are he deserves it.

The last time we had an outage and Wiz worked all through the weekend and then some he setup a donation account for his girlfriend. I set one of my miners to the address and posted it here thinking people would join in and mine along. Not a one did, and after all the talk of donations a 5PH+ pool, the second or third largest takes in 2 BTC a month in donations, sad.

So here is my challenge to all the the members of the FSA (free shit army). Mine for Wizkid for a day I just set an Antminer to following eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH)  Do the same, show that you support Eligius and show the others that greed won't be tolerated. PS I have no relation to Wizkid.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on February 16, 2014, 10:11:57 PM
So here is my challenge to all the the members of the FSA (free shit army). Mine for Wizkid for a day I just set an Antminer to following
eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH)  

Do the same, show that you support Eligius and show the others that greed won't be tolerated.

+1 Antminer put there for time being.
Greed is not tolerated.

http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/30845/aa7c7e308446306.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/aa7c7e308446306)

ps. i hope you got the address right.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 16, 2014, 10:17:56 PM
So here is my challenge to all the the members of the FSA (free shit army). Mine for Wizkid for a day I just set an Antminer to following
eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH)  

Do the same, show that you support Eligius and show the others that greed won't be tolerated.

+1 Antminer put there for time being.
Greed is not tolerated.

http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/30845/aa7c7e308446306.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/aa7c7e308446306)

ps. i hope you got the address right.

Thank you! My faith in humanity is coming back ;D

Sex and HDx let's see some love... we're waiting ???


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on February 16, 2014, 10:29:57 PM
pool down or is it just me?
site timing out.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smithytzu on February 16, 2014, 10:34:36 PM
Site is down, pool is active.

As for the other stuff that's being discussed, I'm happy to donate, but what really pisses me off is the guys making 20+ BTC a day and are not donating, if you've got that kind of equipment, you're essentially abusing this pool and donations should be compulsory.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: descarte on February 16, 2014, 10:39:58 PM
I second making fees compulsory. Even 1% is much better than nothing.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Slesh on February 16, 2014, 10:41:51 PM
So here is my challenge to all the the members of the FSA (free shit army). Mine for Wizkid for a day I just set an Antminer to following
eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH) 

Do the same, show that you support Eligius and show the others that greed won't be tolerated.

Good idea. +1 Antminer S1 moved for Wizkid


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: azdarknet on February 16, 2014, 10:41:58 PM
So here is my challenge to all the the members of the FSA (free shit army). Mine for Wizkid for a day I just set an Antminer to following
eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH)  

Do the same, show that you support Eligius and show the others that greed won't be tolerated.

+1 Antminer put there for time being.
Greed is not tolerated.

http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/30845/aa7c7e308446306.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/aa7c7e308446306)

ps. i hope you got the address right.

Thank you! My faith in humanity is coming back ;D

Sex and HDx let's see some love... we're waiting ???

I'm just small time but I pointed one of my 9 port USB hubs with block erupters (3 gh/s ish) at that address. I know its not much but its a fair part of what I have.

I got my first miner about 3 days before the big outage last month and have been very very happy with this pool and wizkid! Sack up guys and point some miners!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 16, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
I second making fees compulsory. Even 1% is much better than nothing.

Yeah, 1% is still cheap.

You could start with making it the default and give people the opportunity to change it.
If a lot of people set it to zero, we should have a minimum fee... (maybe depening on the hashrate)

edit: just compare to the other pools. 1% = cheap:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 16, 2014, 10:48:23 PM
I second making fees compulsory. Even 1% is much better than nothing.

I think a compulsory 1% across all users would get him over 5BTC per day.
0.1% would net him at least 15BTC/month.

I already donate but, as has been said previously, it's the top 20 that he is really loosing from.
They are getting maximum benefit from the pool and returning nothing on a regular basis, it appears on the surface.
Obviously we are not privvy to any direct donations and I hope WK gets some.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 16, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
I vote to make a 1% donation compulsory. Those that don't like it can go to BTC Guild  (3%) of Ghash


Cheers


Art


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CeeCee on February 16, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
everyone should donate something but i prefer the way that everyone can choose on its own how much he will donate. you should not forget that the 0% FEE is one of the biggest motivations to join this pool.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: cryptophoenix on February 16, 2014, 11:04:52 PM
I vote to make a 1% donation compulsory. Those that don't like it can go to BTC Guild  (3%) of Ghash

Cheers

Art

That's not a donation. It's a fee. Don't mistake the two - in any circumstance.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 16, 2014, 11:25:08 PM
So here is my challenge to all the the members of the FSA (free shit army). Mine for Wizkid for a day I just set an Antminer to following
eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH)  

Do the same, show that you support Eligius and show the others that greed won't be tolerated.

+1 Antminer put there for time being.
Greed is not tolerated.

http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/30845/aa7c7e308446306.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/aa7c7e308446306)

ps. i hope you got the address right.

Thank you! My faith in humanity is coming back ;D

Sex and HDx let's see some love... we're waiting ???

Can't afford to do this right now, but I like the concept. I am donating a percentage, however.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 16, 2014, 11:44:07 PM
Hi everyone,

Looks like while I was out earlier someone decided it would be nice to DoS the web server. *sigh*  Back up now, did a little filtering upstream.

Stats are slowly gaining on real-time... less than 3 hours behind now.

Thank you everyone for your support, it is appreciated as always.

I just want to briefly address the idea of making a default donation amount.  I have considered this, and bounced the idea around a little with some others and I think it probably would not be the best idea, personally.  While I'm sure doing so would help generate income for the pool, and people would still be able to override the default, I think the signed-message based options are probably not the most user-friendly to deal with.  It may be another story entirely once that system is spiced up a bit with detailed instructions and walk-throughs for various wallet software, but right now it is, admittedly, less than straight-forward.

Since Eligius is zero fee and zero registration required, technically someone can use Eligius without ever even needing to visit the website, this forum, or any other related service besides just pointing their miner and waiting for payouts.  Granted, I feel like the majority of miners do at the very least use the stats pages, but, there are probably quite a few people who still don't even know that the My Eligius control panel exists.

Also on the donations topic, I've not actually put up a page for donor stats as of yet, mainly because I feel like there hasn't been enough time for information to disseminate about the feature.  Many have donated through other channels, and I also wouldn't want to not give any of those people the impression that their contributions were not as important as an automatic contribution.   Eventually I will make such stats once there is more data collected and available, though.

I'll note that a couple of the top miners have made some contributions outside of the automatic donations that have been helpful.  I used those and some other donations to bring online and additional core pool server the other day for more back end load balancing to help make the pool a bit more responsive under heavy load.

I'm honestly not trying to make a living off of pool donations or anything.  I feel that there is a need for a reliable zero-fee pool that is as open as possible.  Miners need a way to reduce their income variance while still not having to worry about the pool becoming too large to be safe for the network.  I feel that Eligius exposes sufficient information for people to be comfortable mining here knowing they can check on what is being mined, who is being paid, etc at any time.

Anyway, I think we're headed in the right direction.  Hopefully I'll be able to get a better web-side server structure going soon so that the stats are more responsive and can be more robust.

Thanks again to everyone for their support!

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 16, 2014, 11:45:37 PM
Maybe this is a solution:

default: 1% donation + miner hashrate/total network hashrate fee
Only the donation part can be changed. The fee part is fixed.

=> Topcontributors  (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/topcontributors.php)pay higher default "fee"
#1: 5.16% (1040 TH)
#2: 4.20% (805 TH)
#3: 1.72% (180 TH)
#4-6: 1.44% (110 TH)
#7-9: 1.34% (85 TH)
#10: 1.28% (70 TH)
...
#20: 1.1% (26 TH)
...
#50: 1.02% (6 TH)
...
#100: 1.01% (3 TH)
...
#1000: 1.00% (0.5 TH)
...


What will be the result?

The small miners (>#100) who are lazy or do not know how to sign messages, will donate 1%.
Some of them will knowingly not change it, because they want to donate 1%, others will maybe change it to 0.1% or just 0%.
The fact that there is a default donation, will result in people thinking about the costs of running a pool and maybe lower it, but not to 0%.

The medium miners (> #10) will probably have the same behaviour as the small miners, although I guess more will lower the total donation to 1% (so lower the donation in a way that donation + fee = 1%) or even lower. These miners are experiencied and most of them know how to sign messages.
But these miners are most likely individual miners and some of them like their stats centralized, so they will not "split" their miners to have a lower total fee.

The large miners (< #10) will probably  split the miners to different accounts. But for example splitting 100 TH in 1000 * 0.1 TH to avoid fees takes too much time. So they will probably split their farm in 10 => 10 * 10 TH => 0.04% fee will at least be paid (if we assume the manager will sign 10 messages to lower the donation from 1% to 0%)



To conclude:
You will get a lot of 1% or other small donations from small to medium miners and at least a small donation from the large miners. For small miners there is still the possibility to mine at 0%.


What do you guys think?



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 17, 2014, 12:22:20 AM
it's the top 20 that he is really loosing from.
They are getting maximum benefit from the pool and returning nothing on a regular basis, it appears on the surface.
That is not the case, since they could easily run their own pool. The top contributor right now is grossing almost 200 BTC per day. You don't think they can afford to set up a private pool or a p2pool node, or even just solo mine? (They'd average 8 blocks per day.)

It is the small to medium miners who benefit the most. Too small to set up their own pool and at least the medium miners have too much at stake to risk solo mining. It is either this pool or some other pool.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 17, 2014, 12:30:42 AM
The large miners reduce their own variance by mining with the pool.  There is no real benefit to them to setup their own unless they just want to gamble.  Right now, with the ever increasing difficulty, the lower the variance the better.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 17, 2014, 12:34:24 AM
Before I forget, a few people have asked me about NMC payouts.  I can't do NMC payouts until the stats are caught up, unfortunately.  So, I'll catch them up ASAP.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 17, 2014, 12:54:08 AM
Up to 608GH lets break 1 TH :D

Keep the GH bomb going!

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EdeTHebTtymUULE5bdjWzW1gbCJkP7aQH)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 17, 2014, 12:56:44 AM
The large miners reduce their own variance by mining with the pool.  There is no real benefit to them to setup their own unless they just want to gamble.  Right now, with the ever increasing difficulty, the lower the variance the better.

Right, but there would be an advantage to them if the pool started charging a fee, which is what was being proposed.

The large miners decrease variance for the small and medium miners a lot more than they decrease their own (without the pool their variance wouldn't be that large anyway).





Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 17, 2014, 01:00:05 AM
The large miners reduce their own variance by mining with the pool.  There is no real benefit to them to setup their own unless they just want to gamble.  Right now, with the ever increasing difficulty, the lower the variance the better.

If you charged a minimal service fee, like 0.1% it might help a little. Importantly though I think it would help people realise that you shouldn't expect the benefit of a pool without paying at least some token amount.

Using a pool is like paying insurance, yet no one is suggesting that insurance should be a free service.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 17, 2014, 01:06:50 AM
The large miners reduce their own variance by mining with the pool.  There is no real benefit to them to setup their own unless they just want to gamble.  Right now, with the ever increasing difficulty, the lower the variance the better.

If you charged a minimal service fee, like 0.1% it might help a little. Importantly though I think it would help people realise that you shouldn't expect the benefit of a pool without paying at least some token amount.

Using a pool is like paying insurance, yet no one is suggesting that insurance should be a free service.


+1000

All the benefits none of the costs and headaches. They are not stupid.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 01:19:42 AM
The large miners reduce their own variance by mining with the pool.  There is no real benefit to them to setup their own unless they just want to gamble.  Right now, with the ever increasing difficulty, the lower the variance the better.

If you charged a minimal service fee, like 0.1% it might help a little. Importantly though I think it would help people realise that you shouldn't expect the benefit of a pool without paying at least some token amount.

Using a pool is like paying insurance, yet no one<except politicians> isare suggesting that insurance should be a free service.


FTFY


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 17, 2014, 01:22:28 AM
The large miners reduce their own variance by mining with the pool.  There is no real benefit to them to setup their own unless they just want to gamble.  Right now, with the ever increasing difficulty, the lower the variance the better.

If you charged a minimal service fee, like 0.1% it might help a little. Importantly though I think it would help people realise that you shouldn't expect the benefit of a pool without paying at least some token amount.

Using a pool is like paying insurance, yet no one is suggesting that insurance should be a free service.


+1000

All the benefits none of the costs and headaches. They are not stupid.

FWIW, if I were running a pool I'd charge a fee but offer some kind of rebate program based on hash rate (probably over a period of time) with the largest miners having no fee or a negative fee, and no I'm not a particularly large miner myself.




Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 17, 2014, 01:28:41 AM
I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 01:32:51 AM
I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.
makes sense.

I actually have a couple of questions regarding the ownership of the pool. Is it just you, or is it you and Luke-jr, or some combination of others I'm unaware of?

I don't actually care much, just curious. The only way it might matter directly to me is in whether or not you have the ability to make unilateral decisions regarding the operation of the pool. I know that it's basal software was Luke-jr's project, but I don't know the extent of his involvement. (No, I don't have a problem with him. I wasn't here for the rivalries that seemed to have colored the interaction of him and CKolivas and a few others. Probably wouldn't have been involved any way).


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 17, 2014, 01:52:23 AM
I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.

HHTT charged a fee based on the average difficulty of submitted shares, or something similar. The higher the difficulty, the lower the fee.

You could do the same, stabilising fees by using average submitted difficulty /  mining difficulty as an index. The lower submitted difficulty /  mining difficulty is, the greater the fee and visa versa.

I wouldn't make the fee much, but users need to know how much you work for them.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 17, 2014, 02:01:53 AM
The block list appears to be caught up now, at block 286282.

According to blockchain, there are no more blocks found by Eligius after that one.

Cheers

Art


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: not.you on February 17, 2014, 02:17:40 AM
Looks like maybe we got caught up on stats but the one thing that did not update is the payouts made during the lag time never showed up in the latest payouts list.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: azdarknet on February 17, 2014, 02:20:24 AM
Patience get some.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 02:22:02 AM
Patience get some.

What I always tell my son: "Patience! If I can fake it, you can too!" :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 17, 2014, 02:22:56 AM
This 19% increase in diff is brutal....


Art


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 02:25:50 AM
This 19% increase in diff is brutal....


Art

Yep. And a few hours ahead of the estimates too. Dammit.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 17, 2014, 02:27:21 AM
I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.
makes sense.

I actually have a couple of questions regarding the ownership of the pool. Is it just you, or is it you and Luke-jr, or some combination of others I'm unaware of?

I don't actually care much, just curious. The only way it might matter directly to me is in whether or not you have the ability to make unilateral decisions regarding the operation of the pool. I know that it's basal software was Luke-jr's project, but I don't know the extent of his involvement. (No, I don't have a problem with him. I wasn't here for the rivalries that seemed to have colored the interaction of him and CKolivas and a few others. Probably wouldn't have been involved any way).

I don't want to seem like I'm side stepping your question, but, I also don't want to post a detailed reply saying one thing or another without running it by a few people first.  Suffice it to say it is a topic that has been getting a lot of discussion internally in the past month or so.

But the core of your question, can I personally make decisions regarding pool operation?  I would say the short answer is yes.  But also, I think it is worth pointing out that it is unlikely that I would make a pool operations decision that anyone involved would strongly disagree with.  There are core values that Eligius has been built on from the start, and I personally have no intention of deviating from any of them.

I think the veiled question here is a moot one: Can wizkid057 add a fee?  Since I have no intentions of doing so, I don't think it really matters.  Could I add one?  Sure, it'd be an hour of work to do so.  Will I? No.  I feel that this is one of the values of Eligius in that it is community supported, regardless of what percentage of the community actually contributes to that support directly.



I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.

HHTT charged a fee based on the average difficulty of submitted shares, or something similar. The higher the difficulty, the lower the fee.

You could do the same, stabilising fees by using average submitted difficulty /  mining difficulty as an index. The lower submitted difficulty /  mining difficulty is, the greater the fee and visa versa.

I wouldn't make the fee much, but users need to know how much you work for them.

This was an interesting concept they had going.  I think in the future instead of actually placing a fee on lower hash rate mining in terms of a pool-cut, I may simply impose a pool-wide minimum work difficulty that just ends up causing lower hash rate miners more variance.  Not a fee, since technically they don't lose any earnings, they just pay in the form of slightly higher variance.  On that note, I have recently bumped the pool-wide minimum difficulty to diff 16.  This only really had any effect at all on the lowest 15% of miners, but helped with pool side load a bit.



The block list appears to be caught up now, at block 286282.

According to blockchain, there are no more blocks found by Eligius after that one.

Yep, looks like while I was writing this the stats finished catching up completely! :D  I will work on getting the balance of the manual payout to catch up the payout queue out soon (weren't enough confirmed generation coins last time), as well as NMC payouts.



Looks like maybe we got caught up on stats but the one thing that did not update is the payouts made during the lag time never showed up in the latest payouts list.


I'm running a full rebuild on that data now, actually.  Should show soon.

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: artbatista on February 17, 2014, 02:44:26 AM
The payout I got a couple of days ago just showed up in the payout list.

Looks like we are very close to normal operations now.


Art


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 02:54:15 AM
Thanks, wizkid, your indirect answer answered my question. There are more than just you directly involved.

I'm cool with that. Didn't need any more detail, as I'm simply curious. The "veiled question" was subliminal, I guess. I didn't actually mean it that way. I find the concept and implementation of pools to be really interesting. I'm considering setting up an alt pool on my own string. But your answer is cool as well.

I favor a fee because I think you guys earn it. But it's your game, and your call.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TRN1062 on February 17, 2014, 03:03:03 AM
I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.
makes sense.

I actually have a couple of questions regarding the ownership of the pool. Is it just you, or is it you and Luke-jr, or some combination of others I'm unaware of?

I don't actually care much, just curious. The only way it might matter directly to me is in whether or not you have the ability to make unilateral decisions regarding the operation of the pool. I know that it's basal software was Luke-jr's project, but I don't know the extent of his involvement. (No, I don't have a problem with him. I wasn't here for the rivalries that seemed to have colored the interaction of him and CKolivas and a few others. Probably wouldn't have been involved any way).

I don't want to seem like I'm side stepping your question, but, I also don't want to post a detailed reply saying one thing or another without running it by a few people first.  Suffice it to say it is a topic that has been getting a lot of discussion internally in the past month or so.

But the core of your question, can I personally make decisions regarding pool operation?  I would say the short answer is yes.  But also, I think it is worth pointing out that it is unlikely that I would make a pool operations decision that anyone involved would strongly disagree with.  There are core values that Eligius has been built on from the start, and I personally have no intention of deviating from any of them.

I think the veiled question here is a moot one: Can wizkid057 add a fee?  Since I have no intentions of doing so, I don't think it really matters.  Could I add one?  Sure, it'd be an hour of work to do so.  Will I? No.  I feel that this is one of the values of Eligius in that it is community supported, regardless of what percentage of the community actually contributes to that support directly.



I feel the need to point out that the largest miners actually put the least load on the pool per Gh/sec.  It takes more effort on my part to support the other 6000+ users than it does the top 100 miners.

HHTT charged a fee based on the average difficulty of submitted shares, or something similar. The higher the difficulty, the lower the fee.

You could do the same, stabilising fees by using average submitted difficulty /  mining difficulty as an index. The lower submitted difficulty /  mining difficulty is, the greater the fee and visa versa.

I wouldn't make the fee much, but users need to know how much you work for them.

This was an interesting concept they had going.  I think in the future instead of actually placing a fee on lower hash rate mining in terms of a pool-cut, I may simply impose a pool-wide minimum work difficulty that just ends up causing lower hash rate miners more variance.  Not a fee, since technically they don't lose any earnings, they just pay in the form of slightly higher variance.  On that note, I have recently bumped the pool-wide minimum difficulty to diff 16.  This only really had any effect at all on the lowest 15% of miners, but helped with pool side load a bit.


-wk


I would guess I am part of the 15% and yeah I have noticed the change. I am struggling to keep my production up and make anything with my paltry little setup since the increase in min diff to 16 but I'm still here and still hoping to find a way to get some more serious hashing power soon.... if I can ever get some coins to pay for it that is. I still say Eligius is the most fair and equitable pool I've found and unless I were to manage to put together a rig that could mine solo profitably I have NO intentions of mining for any pool other than Eligius. I don't even have a failover set... Eligius is my one and ONLY !!!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 17, 2014, 04:03:50 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Chemistry1988 on February 17, 2014, 04:18:54 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk

Thanks wizkid :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 17, 2014, 05:58:14 AM
Thanks for the update WK! Things are running smoothly as expected  :)

One thing: why is it that people don't understand that adding a default fee results in Eligius no longer being a 0% fee pool... is it short-sightedness or just plain ignorance?

Really guys, pointing fingers at everyone else's address with no idea whose behind it and whether they may have contributed in other ways is really childish and fills the pool thread with rubbish. How's about giving that "better than you" attitude a bit of a rest?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 06:25:03 AM
Thanks for the update WK! Things are running smoothly as expected  :)

One thing: why is it that people don't understand that adding a default fee results in Eligius no longer being a 0% fee pool... is it short-sightedness or just plain ignorance?

Really guys, pointing fingers at everyone else's address with no idea whose behind it and whether they may have contributed in other ways is really childish and fills the pool thread with rubbish. How's about giving that "better than you" attitude a bit of a rest?

Well, speaking solely for myself here, I never intended to point fingers.

I am selfish and consider it a virtue. It is to my advantage for the operator of the pool to be financially invested in it's success. Which I think he is anyway, but primarily as a miner rather than an operator. He seems to feel otherwise, and I'm ok with that, but it's my personal opinion that I would be served best if it was his job, rather than his side job. So, it is to my selfish advantage for the pool to make a profit, and therefore I think that while it was a good introductory phase to be feeless, it's now more advantageous for all of us if it were operated for profit.

The above kind of reads like an indictment of Wizkid's performance to date, so to clarify, I think he's doing a great job with the time and resources he has. Imagine what he could do with more time and more resources?

I do think some people got a bit self righteous here, and they were probably more who you aimed that towards. But I figured I might as well put out my rationale.

Luke-jr has in fact already stated that prior to the voluntary fee system, some of the large miners were already directly supporting eligius to some extent. I thought I was almost from the beginning (I'm very much on the other end of the spectrum with my 80 GH/s rig), but WK had not yet implemented the feature. Either way, I think value for value is just and moral, so I contribute. If you, or others, feel differently, that's all well and good. I try to practice what I preach, or not preach it :)

Hope that makes sense.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 17, 2014, 06:37:34 AM
Thanks for the update WK! Things are running smoothly as expected  :)

One thing: why is it that people don't understand that adding a default fee results in Eligius no longer being a 0% fee pool... is it short-sightedness or just plain ignorance?

Really guys, pointing fingers at everyone else's address with no idea whose behind it and whether they may have contributed in other ways is really childish and fills the pool thread with rubbish. How's about giving that "better than you" attitude a bit of a rest?

Well, speaking solely for myself here, I never intended to point fingers.

I am selfish and consider it a virtue. It is to my advantage for the operator of the pool to be financially invested in it's success. Which I think he is anyway, but primarily as a miner rather than an operator. He seems to feel otherwise, and I'm ok with that, but it's my personal opinion that I would be served best if it was his job, rather than his side job. So, it is to my selfish advantage for the pool to make a profit, and therefore I think that while it was a good introductory phase to be feeless, it's now more advantageous for all of us if it were operated for profit.

The above kind of reads like an indictment of Wizkid's performance to date, so to clarify, I think he's doing a great job with the time and resources he has. Imagine what he could do with more time and more resources?

I do think some people got a bit self righteous here, and they were probably more who you aimed that towards. But I figured I might as well put out my rationale.

Luke-jr has in fact already stated that prior to the voluntary fee system, some of the large miners were already directly supporting eligius to some extent. I thought I was almost from the beginning (I'm very much on the other end of the spectrum with my 80 GH/s rig), but WK had not yet implemented the feature. Either way, I think value for value is just and moral, so I contribute. If you, or others, feel differently, that's all well and good. I try to practice what I preach, or not preach it :)

Hope that makes sense.
Hey, don't want to start in spat here, I was just making the point that Eligius is 0% fee pool and advertised as such and adding a default minimum fee setting changes that... Luke & WK have made it clear that there are other ways in which miners have and can contribute, so I just think the finger pointing and stating "I've paid so you must" when it's voluntary is just a bit too much. I also didn't say that I don't agree with paying, I was just making the point that you can't force it and advertise 0% fee... that's just not the truth.... and that's just not bitcoin ;)

I'm pretty sure the bigger miners that don't pay fees contribute enough simply by pointing their hardware at Eligius which helps everyone, so looking at peoples donation percentage is a little narrow minded... that's all.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
Thanks for the update WK! Things are running smoothly as expected  :)

One thing: why is it that people don't understand that adding a default fee results in Eligius no longer being a 0% fee pool... is it short-sightedness or just plain ignorance?

Really guys, pointing fingers at everyone else's address with no idea whose behind it and whether they may have contributed in other ways is really childish and fills the pool thread with rubbish. How's about giving that "better than you" attitude a bit of a rest?

Well, speaking solely for myself here, I never intended to point fingers.

I am selfish and consider it a virtue. It is to my advantage for the operator of the pool to be financially invested in it's success. Which I think he is anyway, but primarily as a miner rather than an operator. He seems to feel otherwise, and I'm ok with that, but it's my personal opinion that I would be served best if it was his job, rather than his side job. So, it is to my selfish advantage for the pool to make a profit, and therefore I think that while it was a good introductory phase to be feeless, it's now more advantageous for all of us if it were operated for profit.

The above kind of reads like an indictment of Wizkid's performance to date, so to clarify, I think he's doing a great job with the time and resources he has. Imagine what he could do with more time and more resources?

I do think some people got a bit self righteous here, and they were probably more who you aimed that towards. But I figured I might as well put out my rationale.

Luke-jr has in fact already stated that prior to the voluntary fee system, some of the large miners were already directly supporting eligius to some extent. I thought I was almost from the beginning (I'm very much on the other end of the spectrum with my 80 GH/s rig), but WK had not yet implemented the feature. Either way, I think value for value is just and moral, so I contribute. If you, or others, feel differently, that's all well and good. I try to practice what I preach, or not preach it :)

Hope that makes sense.
Hey, don't want to start in spat here, I was just making the point that Eligius is 0% fee pool and advertised as such and adding a default minimum fee setting changes that... Luke & WK have made it clear that there are other ways in which miners have and can contribute, so I just think the finger pointing and stating "I've paid so you must" when it's voluntary is just a bit too much. I also didn't say that I don't agree with paying, I was just making the point that you can't force it and advertise 0% fee... that's just not the truth.... and that's just not bitcoin ;)

I'm pretty sure the bigger miners that don't pay fees contribute enough simply by pointing their hardware at Eligius which helps everyone, so looking at peoples donation percentage is a little narrow minded... that's all.

No worries, mate. I didn't take it as an invitation to a fight :) Just putting my view out there. FWIW, I agree with yours as well. It's a tough call, and the one I would make is not the one they made. Doesn't make either of us wrong, and I'm not in charge.

Overall, I think it's the best pool out there. Granted, I've not been long in the game. But Eligius shines over the ones I've used or tried to use. The only other one I really like is Bitparking. Eligius is better.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smithytzu on February 17, 2014, 07:28:35 AM
I like to live off the basic principal that you look after those that look after you, Wizkid, is looking after us and doing the right thing by us, again, I'll say I'd be more than happy to have a compulsory 1% donation.

However, if he's happy with the current situation, then so be it.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: -ck on February 17, 2014, 08:00:29 AM
(No, I don't have a problem with him. I wasn't here for the rivalries that seemed to have colored the interaction of him and CKolivas and a few others. Probably wouldn't have been involved any way).
For what it's worth, I've always gotten on quite well with wizkid, and we've occasionally debugged stuff together.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 08:51:15 AM
(No, I don't have a problem with him. I wasn't here for the rivalries that seemed to have colored the interaction of him and CKolivas and a few others. Probably wouldn't have been involved any way).
For what it's worth, I've always gotten on quite well with wizkid, and we've occasionally debugged stuff together.

Good to know. Like I said, I wasn't there, don't know what it was about. I like all of ya :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on February 17, 2014, 09:04:07 AM
(No, I don't have a problem with him. I wasn't here for the rivalries that seemed to have colored the interaction of him and CKolivas and a few others. Probably wouldn't have been involved any way).
For what it's worth, I've always gotten on quite well with wizkid, and we've occasionally debugged stuff together.

Good to know. Like I said, I wasn't there, don't know what it was about. I like all of ya :)

I think that it should be compulsory, for every level up of difficulty, there should be group hugs.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: southerngentuk on February 17, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk

http://s29.postimg.org/jf093ix53/Captureelig.jpg

Looks like its just me  ::) Is there something I can do to correct it..


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: malamashka on February 17, 2014, 09:34:17 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk

http://s29.postimg.org/jf093ix53/Captureelig.jpg

Looks like its just me  ::) Is there something I can do to correct it..

i can see only 128/256 - others are zero, graph are zero ...


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on February 17, 2014, 09:43:41 AM
everyone should donate something but i prefer the way that everyone can choose on its own how much he will donate. you should not forget that the 0% FEE is one of the biggest motivations to join this pool.

"donate" and "should" in one sentence is nonsense


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: cyberspaced on February 17, 2014, 10:03:29 AM
Is the pool down?

Edit: Miners reported "dead pool" but back now! (o:


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: southerngentuk on February 17, 2014, 10:13:56 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk

http://s29.postimg.org/jf093ix53/Captureelig.jpg

Looks like its just me  ::) Is there something I can do to correct it..

i can see only 128/256 - others are zero, graph are zero ...


For clarity, all but 128/256 are frozen.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 17, 2014, 10:48:10 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk

was nice while it lasted :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 17, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
OK! So, as of now, Bitcoin payouts are all caught up and Namecoin payouts are all caught up.  Stats are caught up, CPPSRB is caught up.

All is well in the world of Eligius.

Resume normal operations! :D

-wk

was nice while it lasted :)

????

What y'all on about? It's working perfectly for me. Just got a payout.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 17, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
Hmm... looks like some cron jobs for the stats got hung up.  I've kicked them.  Database is up to date so the stats should catch up in no time.

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: southerngentuk on February 17, 2014, 12:20:59 PM
Hmm... looks like some cron jobs for the stats got hung up.  I've kicked them.  Database is up to date so the stats should catch up in no time.

-wk
Not there yet, but we appreciate your hard work.

Patience is a virtue, seldom held by bitcoiner's.  ;D

Edit : fixed now  ;D why does this always happen when i add to my rig ?  ::)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 17, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
Well, this has been quite the discussion. I stated my opinion based on some of the comments as to the state of some of the equipment being old and in need of replacement, not to point fingers although it probably came across that way. Wizkid has made his position clear and I respect it 100%. I'm sure he has a business plan and is sticking to it.
Also thanks to all that contributed to the newly named "Wizkid tip jar" really liked that. Thanks for all you and luke do for the community. And I also want to thank all the members who have helped me through hardware issues, this truly is a great community. And I was very happy this discussion didn't turn ugly. Happy mining ;D 


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: usascholar on February 17, 2014, 08:08:37 PM
Hi guys... total newbie here for Eligius.

Is the "Estimated Earnings" not working well right now?

A


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 18, 2014, 12:55:51 AM
Hi guys... total newbie here for Eligius.

Is the "Estimated Earnings" not working well right now?

A

Seems fine to me, what is it showing that you think is wrong?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: alexrossi on February 19, 2014, 04:07:12 PM
Hi wizkid, just want to say that eligius is my favorite pool atm

Keep doing the good work!  ;)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CeeCee on February 19, 2014, 10:05:42 PM
5500TH/s <3 2nd place! https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 19, 2014, 10:41:08 PM
Hi guys... total newbie here for Eligius.

Is the "Estimated Earnings" not working well right now?
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Seems fine to me, what is it showing that you think is wrong?
I'm also finding the stats have quite a lot more 'variance' than normal. They seem to be reporting a lot lower hashrate than they 'should' IMHO. I think this would have an effect on the estimate earnings as it comes from the 3hr stat.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: OleOle on February 19, 2014, 10:47:27 PM

5500TH/s <3 2nd place! https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs


People are loving the zero percent fee :D



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TRN1062 on February 20, 2014, 06:18:04 AM
Hi,

I have a problem maybe someone here can help me with. I am running 9 Antminer u1's and I am now sure my issues should not be power related as I have 8 of them running on two separate hubs (5 , 3) I have powered the hubs using a 12V 30A regulated power supply. I have run 5 of these ants on the 9 port hub I now have the 5 on before and they ran for days straight with no issues cranking out 2ghs each. I know one of my ants throws HW errors at the 2gh clock rate so that was running on a different PC at 1.8ghs so at that time I was running just under 12ghs. I have since added the other 3 Ants and now I am having troubles I know the 9 port hub can run the 5 ants and the artec breeze fan without issues and I know the other (7port) hub can run the other 3 without issue but yet if I run both hubs on the same computer the rig keeps shutting down. It will run fine for a while cranking out 17+ghs but after a bit suddenly it dumps the queued work and shuts down, slowly decreasing ghs over time. I am logging the mining output and have captured the log with debugging enabled but I do not know how to decipher what exactly is happening. All I can see is that at some point the program (BFGminer 3.10) suddenly dumps all the queued work as stale and does not reload the queue.

If anyone can help me I would appreciate it as I only have one fan and if I put the 3 on the other PC they get really hot and the error rate goes way up... not to mention I have to run them at a slower speed.

T.

Still trying to earn some coins to purchase a REAL mining rig!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 20, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
Hi,
I have a problem maybe someone here can help me with. I am running 9 Antminer u1's and I am now sure my issues should not be power related as I have 8 of them running on two separate hubs (5 , 3) I have powered the hubs using a 12V 30A regulated power supply. I have run 5 of these ants on the 9 port hub I now have the 5 on before and they ran for days straight with no issues cranking out 2ghs each. I know one of my ants throws HW errors at the 2gh clock rate so that was running on a different PC at 1.8ghs so at that time I was running just under 12ghs. I have since added the other 3 Ants and now I am having troubles I know the 9 port hub can run the 5 ants and the artec breeze fan without issues and I know the other (7port) hub can run the other 3 without issue but yet if I run both hubs on the same computer the rig keeps shutting down. It will run fine for a while cranking out 17+ghs but after a bit suddenly it dumps the queued work and shuts down, slowly decreasing ghs over time. I am logging the mining output and have captured the log with debugging enabled but I do not know how to decipher what exactly is happening. All I can see is that at some point the program (BFGminer 3.10) suddenly dumps all the queued work as stale and does not reload the queue.
If anyone can help me I would appreciate it as I only have one fan and if I put the 3 on the other PC they get really hot and the error rate goes way up... not to mention I have to run them at a slower speed.
T.
Still trying to earn some coins to purchase a REAL mining rig!

I'm not sure if my experience exactly tallies but I had a similar problem with two powered hubs full of block erupters plugged into a Raspberry Pi B.
Kept shutting down for no readily apparent reason.
Eventually I daisy chained the second hub off the first, so there was only one connection to the Pi and all was sweetness and light.
Might be worth a try?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: rmolby on February 20, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Hi,
I have a problem maybe someone here can help me with. I am running 9 Antminer u1's and I am now sure my issues should not be power related as I have 8 of them running on two separate hubs (5 , 3) I have powered the hubs using a 12V 30A regulated power supply. I have run 5 of these ants on the 9 port hub I now have the 5 on before and they ran for days straight with no issues cranking out 2ghs each. I know one of my ants throws HW errors at the 2gh clock rate so that was running on a different PC at 1.8ghs so at that time I was running just under 12ghs. I have since added the other 3 Ants and now I am having troubles I know the 9 port hub can run the 5 ants and the artec breeze fan without issues and I know the other (7port) hub can run the other 3 without issue but yet if I run both hubs on the same computer the rig keeps shutting down. It will run fine for a while cranking out 17+ghs but after a bit suddenly it dumps the queued work and shuts down, slowly decreasing ghs over time. I am logging the mining output and have captured the log with debugging enabled but I do not know how to decipher what exactly is happening. All I can see is that at some point the program (BFGminer 3.10) suddenly dumps all the queued work as stale and does not reload the queue.
If anyone can help me I would appreciate it as I only have one fan and if I put the 3 on the other PC they get really hot and the error rate goes way up... not to mention I have to run them at a slower speed.
T.
Still trying to earn some coins to purchase a REAL mining rig!

I'm not sure if my experience exactly tallies but I had a similar problem with two powered hubs full of block erupters plugged into a Raspberry Pi B.
Kept shutting down for no readily apparent reason.
Eventually I daisy chained the second hub off the first, so there was only one connection to the Pi and all was sweetness and light.
Might be worth a try?


You hit the nail on the head, I solved a lot of failures and other problems by using a basic low power USB2.x hub as the central place to plug in my Orico USB2.0 hubs that seem to power 7 BEs or ANTs each. Keep in mind you can only reliable daisy chain about 5 levels deep.

So here is the typical scenario:

PC Mobo built in USB hub (1st level) - this one tends to have a lot of internal items like memory card readers and stuff connected
PC Mobo built in USB2 and/or USB3 hub(s) (2nd level) - these are the external ports
User supplied USB hub (3rd&4th level) - central hub all other hubs plug into... those 7+ port low PSU power hubs are good for this
User supplied USB mining hub (5th+ level) - these are the high quality hubs with good high AMPerage PSUs that we plug our miners into.

This is basically my setup and runs very reliably off of a 8 year old laptop.

If you want to read more on this, this guy writes a good deal about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413406


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 20, 2014, 11:08:43 PM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ugiel0.png
If only it was like this more often. :) It's pulled me from the mid94s for shares rewarded up to a little bit over 96%.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: xstr8guy on February 20, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ugiel0.png
If only it was like this more often. :) It's pulled me from the mid94s for shares rewarded up to a little bit over 96%.

8 out of 10.  Crazy!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 20, 2014, 11:50:48 PM
Yay! the last 15 blocks have been better than 100% luck. We need more of this  ;D


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CeeCee on February 21, 2014, 01:29:21 AM
don't worry knc will add more power ;)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: jamesg on February 21, 2014, 02:23:34 AM
Can we get a manual payment to catch things up. I'm currently 26 blocks away from being paid again.

Thanks,
James


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 21, 2014, 06:37:14 AM
Can we get a manual payment to catch things up. I'm currently 26 blocks away from being paid again.

Thanks,
James

I'm sure wizkid will get to it eventually, he does it once a week usually.

But you do know that being 26 blocks away still means that you'll be payed out today? It is not -that- a problem, is'nt it?

(I don't want to sound mean. I just don't think that it is worth stressing wizkid with. And an happy wizkid means an happy pool. He is working on new features i'm eager to see!)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 21, 2014, 06:59:34 AM
Can we get a manual payment to catch things up. I'm currently 26 blocks away from being paid again.

Thanks,
James

I'm sure wizkid will get to it eventually, he does it once a week usually.

But you do know that being 26 blocks away still means that you'll be payed out today? It is not -that- a problem, is'nt it?

(I don't want to sound mean. I just don't think that it is worth stressing wizkid with. And an happy wizkid means an happy pool. He is working on new features i'm eager to see!)
Not sure if you're aware that Giga ran a successful pool for a long time. He and Wiz are well acquainted. In general, you're right on the money, but in this instance I believe they are personal friends.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: dnaleor on February 21, 2014, 09:53:40 AM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ugiel0.png
If only it was like this more often. :) It's pulled me from the mid94s for shares rewarded up to a little bit over 96%.

I went from 90% to 94%

Still low, but comes close to earnings in a PPLNS pool.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 21, 2014, 05:54:26 PM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2ugiel0.png
If only it was like this more often. :) It's pulled me from the mid94s for shares rewarded up to a little bit over 96%.

I went from 90% to 94%

Still low, but comes close to earnings in a PPLNS pool.

Bad luck will produce bad returns on any pool, regardless of payout method (except PPS).

For a long time I was above 99% on eligius, although now I'm down below 97%


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 21, 2014, 08:13:55 PM
Bad luck will produce bad returns on any pool, regardless of payout method (except PPS).

For a long time I was above 99% on eligius, although now I'm down below 97%

This is true.  It seems as though a pool based on PPLNS would only calculate payout percentage based on blocks rewards actually received (although the PPLNS pools I've seen don't actually show this figure).  Eligius shows payout percentage based on theoretical pure PPS earnings with 100% luck (i.e. the pool receives block rewards exactly at the rate of statistical expectation).


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 21, 2014, 08:28:32 PM
Bad luck will produce bad returns on any pool, regardless of payout method (except PPS).

For a long time I was above 99% on eligius, although now I'm down below 97%

This is true.  It seems as though a pool based on PPLNS would only calculate payout percentage based on blocks rewards actually received (although the PPLNS pools I've seen don't actually show this figure).  Eligius shows payout percentage based on theoretical pure PPS earnings with 100% luck (i.e. the pool receives block rewards exactly at the rate of statistical expectation).

One can see the CPPSRB as a modified PPLNS: Just like PPLNS, each time a block is found, Eligius goes back "n" shares and pays them. The difference is that in PPLNS, if the pool is lucky, some shares might be payed multiple times. In CPPSRB, once a shared is payed, it is removed, and can never be payed again; then if the pool is lucky, it simply goes even more furthe back until an unpayed share is found.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 23, 2014, 04:06:41 PM
Hi everyone!

Hope all is well.

Things have been running pretty smoothly here with the pool.  This weekend and the preceding couple of days have been pretty ridiculously hectic IRL on my end (I think I've driven > 1500 miles since Thursday and I haven't even left the state), but I had actually just finished some nice tweaks to my internal monitoring setup for Eligius which makes sure I can keep things running well from anywhere pretty easily.

... I actually thought my monitoring system was broken at one point because I never got a single alert until ~last night when one server had unusually high load... which corrected itself by the time I looked into it more closely.  Appeared to be a network hiccup that caused some folks to reconnect.

Anyway, I expect my schedule to clear up within the next couple of days, and I'm probably going to be taking a short (maybe long...) vacation from my non-Eligius responsibilities soon, which will give me more time to catch up on much wanted updates to various things.

:D

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 23, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
Quick question, I've just been informed that eligius only accepts one non-fee paying transaction per block. Is this true?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on February 23, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
5500TH/s <3 2nd place! https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs

Thanks to this 1 user whos soon half the pool :) KnC mining operation maybe.

https://blockchain.info/tx/026f92da78db19fe561a05f0a77104619783452a8f24a4efed8719abd9553a95

In Above both Eligius top miners sent together 460btc to that wallet..  payment was made from wallet which holds both accounts. Or am i wrong?
Soon they have mined 10000 coins

1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X)
1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Scoobypup on February 23, 2014, 11:01:16 PM
If I am not set up to accept the NMC I generate, do they go to the pool/wiz? If so, what percent of a donation does that equate to?
I really like the Eligius pool and the dedication that Wiz puts into making it so awesome. The no fees are a great part of why I use this pool. It allows me the flexibility to donate what I feel the service is worth. Other pools that charge a fee offer things like a desktop app that I don't want to use, but I feel like I am paying for those things anyway.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: jamesg on February 23, 2014, 11:39:18 PM
If I am not set up to accept the NMC I generate, do they go to the pool/wiz? If so, what percent of a donation does that equate to?
I really like the Eligius pool and the dedication that Wiz puts into making it so awesome. The no fees are a great part of why I use this pool. It allows me the flexibility to donate what I feel the service is worth. Other pools that charge a fee offer things like a desktop app that I don't want to use, but I feel like I am paying for those things anyway.

NMC is about 1.35% of total earnings.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 01:24:25 AM
If I am not set up to accept the NMC I generate

Easiest thing to do is send them to btc-e or maybe some other exchange. That seems to work fine.

Donating them to the pool op is cool also.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gravityz3r0 on February 24, 2014, 02:49:48 AM
Please correct me if i understand this wrongly. I sold my miner about 2 weeks ago, and upon selling this was my outstanding eligius balance:

As of last block:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%
Estimated Change:   +0.00000000 BTC   0.00%
Estimated Total:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%


If i'm not mistaken, shouldn't the share reward be paid to 100% over time even after i stop mining?
I remembered myself stopping once in the past, and the reward eventually crept up to 100% when more blocks are found.
Mine has been staying at 97.22% for a long time. May i know what's the reason behind it?
The remaining ~2.8% of share reward worth about 0.3BTC from the Max Reward chart but i'm not sure if i'm interpreting it correctly. (Difference between everpaid and max reward)

Thanks!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: crashoveride54902 on February 24, 2014, 03:04:47 AM
Please correct me if i understand this wrongly. I sold my miner about 2 weeks ago, and upon selling this was my outstanding eligius balance:

As of last block:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%
Estimated Change:   +0.00000000 BTC   0.00%
Estimated Total:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%


If i'm not mistaken, shouldn't the share reward be paid to 100% over time even after i stop mining?
I remembered myself stopping once in the past, and the reward eventually crept up to 100% when more blocks are found.
Mine has been staying at 97.22% for a long time. May i know what's the reason behind it?
The remaining ~2.8% of share reward worth about 0.3BTC from the Max Reward chart but i'm not sure if i'm interpreting it correctly. (Difference between everpaid and max reward)

Thanks!

getting the rest of your shares paid off will depend on luck...and who knows how long that'll take


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gravityz3r0 on February 24, 2014, 03:10:21 AM
Please correct me if i understand this wrongly. I sold my miner about 2 weeks ago, and upon selling this was my outstanding eligius balance:

As of last block:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%
Estimated Change:   +0.00000000 BTC   0.00%
Estimated Total:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%


If i'm not mistaken, shouldn't the share reward be paid to 100% over time even after i stop mining?
I remembered myself stopping once in the past, and the reward eventually crept up to 100% when more blocks are found.
Mine has been staying at 97.22% for a long time. May i know what's the reason behind it?
The remaining ~2.8% of share reward worth about 0.3BTC from the Max Reward chart but i'm not sure if i'm interpreting it correctly. (Difference between everpaid and max reward)

Thanks!

getting the rest of your shares paid off will depend on luck...and who knows how long that'll take

I see, thanks! Do you have any rough estimation of how much luck does the pool require for it to fulfill backlog rewards?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on February 24, 2014, 07:36:00 AM
Please correct me if i understand this wrongly. I sold my miner about 2 weeks ago, and upon selling this was my outstanding eligius balance:

As of last block:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%
Estimated Change:   +0.00000000 BTC   0.00%
Estimated Total:   0.00040948 BTC   97.22%


If i'm not mistaken, shouldn't the share reward be paid to 100% over time even after i stop mining?
I remembered myself stopping once in the past, and the reward eventually crept up to 100% when more blocks are found.
Mine has been staying at 97.22% for a long time. May i know what's the reason behind it?
The remaining ~2.8% of share reward worth about 0.3BTC from the Max Reward chart but i'm not sure if i'm interpreting it correctly. (Difference between everpaid and max reward)

Thanks!

getting the rest of your shares paid off will depend on luck...and who knows how long that'll take

I see, thanks! Do you have any rough estimation of how much luck does the pool require for it to fulfill backlog rewards?

Depends on how far back they are in the backlog.  If they're years old, possibly never.  If they're a few days old, there's a really good chance.  If you remember being up very high (98%+) recently, then you have a good chance of getting that high again.

97% is pretty good, really.  I've been as low as 90.X% and as high as 98.X%.  All from mining within the past 2 months.  I'm currently in the 96% range.

You can't really compare payout percentage on a (modified) PPS pool like Eligius with fees on a PPLNS pool.  With PPLNS, after some point (not terribly long), your old shares are simply discarded and forgotten..... even if the pool has fantastic luck, you will never be paid the discarded shares.  Eligius is unique in keeping your old unpaid shares forever; but there are always new unpaid shares ahead of them in line.  Eligius works backward from the present date in paying out these "shelved" shares.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: VarDiff on February 24, 2014, 07:45:25 AM
Eligius was added (http://vardiff.com/pool/eligius/) to my altcoins and mining pools database
good luck, miners


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 10:13:01 PM
One can see the CPPSRB as a modified PPLNS: Just like PPLNS, each time a block is found, Eligius goes back "n" shares and pays them. The difference is that in PPLNS, if the pool is lucky, some shares might be payed multiple times. In CPPSRB, once a shared is payed, it is removed, and can never be payed again; then if the pool is lucky, it simply goes even more furthe back until an unpayed share is found.

That makes it sound like CPPSRB miners are getting a raw deal. No chance of getting more than 100%, but a very real chance of getting less than 100%. As opposed to PPLNS where you might get more or less than 100%.

I wonder how one would go about calculating the expected value (assuming no block withholding).


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 10:23:09 PM
One can see the CPPSRB as a modified PPLNS: Just like PPLNS, each time a block is found, Eligius goes back "n" shares and pays them. The difference is that in PPLNS, if the pool is lucky, some shares might be payed multiple times. In CPPSRB, once a shared is payed, it is removed, and can never be payed again; then if the pool is lucky, it simply goes even more furthe back until an unpayed share is found.

That makes it sound like CPPSRB miners are getting a raw deal. No chance of getting more than 100%, but a very real chance of getting less than 100%. As opposed to PPLNS where you might get more or less than 100%.

I wonder how one would go about calculating the expected value (assuming no block withholding).

The expected value if you mine forever is 100%, though orphans reduce payout relative to 100% PPS with any formula.

The expected value for some finite time is probably lower than PPLNS but the variance is also lower. Trade off.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 24, 2014, 10:32:05 PM
One can see the CPPSRB as a modified PPLNS: Just like PPLNS, each time a block is found, Eligius goes back "n" shares and pays them. The difference is that in PPLNS, if the pool is lucky, some shares might be payed multiple times. In CPPSRB, once a shared is payed, it is removed, and can never be payed again; then if the pool is lucky, it simply goes even more furthe back until an unpayed share is found.

That makes it sound like CPPSRB miners are getting a raw deal. No chance of getting more than 100%, but a very real chance of getting less than 100%. As opposed to PPLNS where you might get more or less than 100%.

I wonder how one would go about calculating the expected value (assuming no block withholding).
Less variance. No chance of getting paid out more than 100%, but a better chance of getting paid out that 100%. With PPLNS if you start mining during an unlucky time that revenue is just gone. You may make it up at a later date by mining during a lucky period, or you may not. Likewise with CPPSRB, if you start mining during an unlucky period you'll get paid less, but should the pool have a lucky period those shares that didn't get paid out in the past might get paid out in the future.

For the expected value, I am not sure. I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur. Over time it should be 100% PPS, but I am not sure how orphaned blocks would affect that as a percentage. I also am not sure if the transaction fees are retained for pool expenses or if they are fed back into paying off shares.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
One can see the CPPSRB as a modified PPLNS: Just like PPLNS, each time a block is found, Eligius goes back "n" shares and pays them. The difference is that in PPLNS, if the pool is lucky, some shares might be payed multiple times. In CPPSRB, once a shared is payed, it is removed, and can never be payed again; then if the pool is lucky, it simply goes even more furthe back until an unpayed share is found.

That makes it sound like CPPSRB miners are getting a raw deal. No chance of getting more than 100%, but a very real chance of getting less than 100%. As opposed to PPLNS where you might get more or less than 100%.

I wonder how one would go about calculating the expected value (assuming no block withholding).

The expected value if you mine forever is 100%, though orphans reduce payout relative to 100% PPS with any formula.

The expected value for some finite time is probably lower than PPLNS but the variance is also lower. Trade off.


PPLNS variance is higher than CPPSRB.  The fact that PPLNS can overpay shares is not an advantage, it just adds variance.  CPPSRB irons out variance as much as possible, with the pool-wide reward average on Eligius sitting right around 98%... which is expected due to orphans.  Keep in mind that Eligius has no fee, if a pool has a fee it is taken off of actual earnings, not expected earnings, so earnings would be ~98% minus the fee.

Transaction fees are paid towards the share log to try to offset the losses to orphaned blocks, but it is insufficient to make long term 100% PPS viable currently.  It does however, help get everyone closer to 100% than normally possible.

Keep in mind that 100% PPS is not statistically possible long term with *any* reward system mainly due to orphaned blocks.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 10:42:54 PM
One can see the CPPSRB as a modified PPLNS: Just like PPLNS, each time a block is found, Eligius goes back "n" shares and pays them. The difference is that in PPLNS, if the pool is lucky, some shares might be payed multiple times. In CPPSRB, once a shared is payed, it is removed, and can never be payed again; then if the pool is lucky, it simply goes even more furthe back until an unpayed share is found.

That makes it sound like CPPSRB miners are getting a raw deal. No chance of getting more than 100%, but a very real chance of getting less than 100%. As opposed to PPLNS where you might get more or less than 100%.

I wonder how one would go about calculating the expected value (assuming no block withholding).

The expected value if you mine forever is 100%, though orphans reduce payout relative to 100% PPS with any formula.

Well, it's not possible to mine forever. If nothing else, eventually people will stop making transactions, and eventually the block reward will go to zero.

But long before that, the chances of ever getting your deeply buried shares will for all intents and purposes be zero.

The expected value for some finite time is probably lower than PPLNS but the variance is also lower. Trade off.

But for, say, between now and block 6,929,999, how much lower? 2%? 5%? Doesn't seem like it's much more than that.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 10:44:28 PM
For the expected value, I am not sure. I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur. Over time it should be 100% PPS

Maybe if the block reward never went down, and the difficulty never changed...


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 10:47:00 PM
For the expected value, I am not sure. I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur. Over time it should be 100% PPS

Maybe if the block reward never went down, and the difficulty never changed...

Neither of these things matter for calculating % shares rewarded in terms of maximum PPS, since the formula for 100% PPS at any given time is (block_reward/difficulty)*work_difficulty.

The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 24, 2014, 10:47:58 PM
Well, it's not possible to mine forever. If nothing else, eventually people will stop making transactions, and eventually the block reward will go to zero.
Maybe not forever, but if Bitcoin mining stops in our lifetimes, it means Bitcoin was a failure.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 10:53:38 PM
I feel its worth mentioning that short term in my eyes as far as this goes is < a couple of months, and long term being 6+ months which is enough to iron out the variance for the most part in this case.  I can pretty much guarantee that if you mine a PPLNS pool (or any pool for that matter) for more than a few months that you will not have actually paid earnings >= 100% PPS.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 10:57:09 PM
PPLNS variance is higher than CPPSRB.  The fact that PPLNS can overpay shares is not an advantage, it just adds variance.

One advantage of PPLNS is that you don't have to wait around potentially forever to find out how much you're going to make.

CPPSRB irons out variance as much as possible, with the pool-wide reward average on Eligius sitting right around 98%... which is expected due to orphans.  Keep in mind that Eligius has no fee, if a pool has a fee it is taken off of actual earnings, not expected earnings, so earnings would be ~98% minus the fee.

So that 4.72% (with transaction fees you'd get 102.72%) is solely due to orphans? That seems like a very high orphan rate.

Transaction fees are paid towards the share log to try to offset the losses to orphaned blocks, but it is insufficient to make long term 100% PPS viable currently.  It does however, help get everyone closer to 100% than normally possible.

Keep in mind that 100% PPS is not statistically possible long term with *any* reward system mainly due to orphaned blocks.

Well, if you add in transaction fees, which apparently you're doing, then 100% is quite possible.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 24, 2014, 10:57:29 PM
I feel its worth mentioning that short term in my eyes as far as this goes is < a couple of months, and long term being 6+ months which is enough to iron out the variance for the most part in this case.  I can pretty much guarantee that if you mine a PPLNS pool (or any pool for that matter) for more than a few months that you will not have actually paid earnings >= 100% PPS.
Your guarantee needs a maximum limit on variance. With a high enough variance, it's possible to get >= 100% PPS for centuries if you're lucky...


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:00:43 PM
Well, it's not possible to mine forever. If nothing else, eventually people will stop making transactions, and eventually the block reward will go to zero.
Maybe not forever, but if Bitcoin mining stops in our lifetimes, it means Bitcoin was a failure.

Yeah, but the chance that people who have been continuously mining at Eligius since the start of CPPSRB will ever get 100% shares rewarded during our lifetimes is quite low. Ignoring transaction fees, it's probably immeasurably low.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: aetaf on February 24, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
I feel its worth mentioning that short term in my eyes as far as this goes is < a couple of months, and long term being 6+ months which is enough to iron out the variance for the most part in this case.  I can pretty much guarantee that if you mine a PPLNS pool (or any pool for that matter) for more than a few months that you will not have actually paid earnings >= 100% PPS.
Your bet needs a maximum limit on variance. With a high enough variance, it's possible to get >= 100% PPS for centuries if you're lucky...

6661.74 Th/s 5661.74 Th/s changes unceasingly, cannot understand?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 24, 2014, 11:02:44 PM
Well, it's not possible to mine forever. If nothing else, eventually people will stop making transactions, and eventually the block reward will go to zero.
Maybe not forever, but if Bitcoin mining stops in our lifetimes, it means Bitcoin was a failure.

Yeah, but the chance that people who have been continuously mining at Eligius since the start of CPPSRB will ever get 100% shares rewarded during our lifetimes is quite low. Ignoring transaction fees, it's probably immeasurably low.

I'd like to see your analysis. I'm not sure you are correct.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:04:34 PM
One advantage of PPLNS is that you don't have to wait around potentially forever to find out how much you're going to make.

Yep, you immediately know if you made nothing at all. ;)

So that 4.72% (with transaction fees you'd get 102.72%) is solely due to orphans? That seems like a very high orphan rate.

I'm.... not quite sure what these numbers are exactly?  ???  You can see for yourself from the stats that just based on counts Eligius's long-term orphan rate is just over 2%.  Factoring in the subsidy halving the earnings-based orphan rate is lower, at almost exactly 2%. (Our orphan rate decreased a bit after changing datacenters after the subsidy halving)  This is pretty normal, and actually quite low.  Look at Ghash.io's orphan rate... was up at almost 7% at one point.

Well, if you add in transaction fees, which apparently you're doing, then 100% is quite possible.

Sure, txn fees *can* push it to 100%... but on average they do not, as there is less than a 2% increase in block reward due to txn fees on average.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:05:41 PM
For the expected value, I am not sure. I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur. Over time it should be 100% PPS

Maybe if the block reward never went down, and the difficulty never changed...

Neither of these things matter for calculating % shares rewarded in terms of maximum PPS, since the formula for 100% PPS at any given time is (block_reward/difficulty)*work_difficulty.

Sure it matters. The people at the very end of the shelved share list have virtually no chance of ever getting paid for those shares, in large part because the block rewards keep going down and the difficulty keeps going up.

The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

Are you assuming the pool will last forever?

Eventually Eligius will cease to exist. Probably before Bitcoin ceases to exist, and probably during our lifetimes for that matter.

At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
For the expected value, I am not sure. I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur. Over time it should be 100% PPS

Maybe if the block reward never went down, and the difficulty never changed...

Neither of these things matter for calculating % shares rewarded in terms of maximum PPS, since the formula for 100% PPS at any given time is (block_reward/difficulty)*work_difficulty.

Sure it matters. The people at the very end of the shelved share list have virtually no chance of ever getting paid for those shares, in large part because the block rewards keep going down and the difficulty keeps going up.

The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

Are you assuming the pool will last forever?

Eventually Eligius will cease to exist. Probably before Bitcoin ceases to exist, and probably during our lifetimes for that matter.

At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.

You apparently are not understanding why the shelved shares persist for any extended period in the first place.  Those shares statistically are the "minus orphan %", not in addition to it, and it is to be expected that not all of them will ever be paid, barring some ridiculous amount of luck. This doesn't change that the long term (6+ months) variance in % shares rewarded wont average out to roughly 100% minus orphan %.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:10:12 PM
The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

Are you assuming the pool will last forever?

No, I simply made a mathematical statement of fact.

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At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.

As I said.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:11:54 PM
The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

Are you assuming the pool will last forever?

No, I simply made a mathematical statement of fact.

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At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.

As I said.


I want to point out that I read anth0ny's "paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid." statement as the pool paying less than 100% already somehow and in addition subtracting orphan %, which isn't the case.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:13:03 PM
One advantage of PPLNS is that you don't have to wait around potentially forever to find out how much you're going to make.

Yep, you immediately know if you made nothing at all. ;)

And can abandon the address and stop monitoring it instead of keeping it around forever because you might get a few satoshi some time between now and the end of the universe.

So that 4.72% (with transaction fees you'd get 102.72%) is solely due to orphans? That seems like a very high orphan rate.

I'm.... not quite sure what these numbers are exactly?  ???  You can see for yourself from the stats that just based on counts Eligius's long-term orphan rate is just over 2%.  Factoring in the subsidy halving the earnings-based orphan rate is lower, at almost exactly 2%. (Our orphan rate decreased a bit after changing datacenters after the subsidy halving)  This is pretty normal, and actually quite low.  Look at Ghash.io's orphan rate... was up at almost 7% at one point.

Well, if you add in transaction fees, which apparently you're doing, then 100% is quite possible.

Sure, txn fees *can* push it to 100%... but on average they do not, as there is less than a 2% increase in block reward due to txn fees on average.

My bad. I misread https://blockchain.info/stats .


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:15:53 PM
For the expected value, I am not sure. I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur. Over time it should be 100% PPS

Maybe if the block reward never went down, and the difficulty never changed...

Neither of these things matter for calculating % shares rewarded in terms of maximum PPS, since the formula for 100% PPS at any given time is (block_reward/difficulty)*work_difficulty.

Sure it matters. The people at the very end of the shelved share list have virtually no chance of ever getting paid for those shares, in large part because the block rewards keep going down and the difficulty keeps going up.

The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

Are you assuming the pool will last forever?

Eventually Eligius will cease to exist. Probably before Bitcoin ceases to exist, and probably during our lifetimes for that matter.

At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.

You apparently are not understanding why the shelved shares persist for any extended period in the first place.  Those shares statistically are the "minus orphan %", not in addition to it, and it is to be expected that not all of them will ever be paid, barring some ridiculous amount of luck. This doesn't change that the long term (6+ months) variance in % shares rewarded wont average out to roughly 100% minus orphan %.

The shelved shares are orphan %, plus bad luck %, plus block withholding %, minus transaction fee %... Right?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:16:40 PM

Keep in mind that 100% PPS is not statistically possible long term with *any* reward system mainly due to orphaned blocks.

Well as I've occasionally said before, when orphan a block you should perhaps just dump 25 BTC of shares, not put them back on the share log. That keeps the expected value of shares going on to the log equal to the shares coming off.

This would mean the pool empties the share log more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition. Theoretically this can already happen with a run of very good luck (but is unlikely). Perhaps this would satisfy people who say that the share log will never empty and therefore expected value is lower than PPLNS. Given the cumulative effect of orphans they are correct in finite time and possibly even in infinite time. It would increase variance a bit, because orphaned shares would not be paid, ever.







Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: aetaf on February 24, 2014, 11:16:57 PM
The force 1000TH is jumping up and down, income decreases a lot?????


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:18:30 PM
The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

Are you assuming the pool will last forever?

No, I simply made a mathematical statement of fact.

So, what's your definition of 100% PPS?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:19:30 PM
The shelved shares are orphan %, plus bad luck %, plus block withholding %, minus transaction fee %... Right?

Not quite.  If you must simplify it to something like this you must also include "minus good luck %".

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Keep in mind that 100% PPS is not statistically possible long term with *any* reward system mainly due to orphaned blocks.

Well as I've occasionally said before, when orphan a block you should perhaps just dump 25 BTC of shares, not put them back on the share log. That keeps the expected value of shares going on to the log equal to the shares coming off.

This would mean the pool empties the share long more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition. Theoretically this can already happen with a run of very good luck (but is unlikely). Perhaps this would satisfy people who say that the share log will never empty and therefore expected value is lower than PPLNS. Given the cumulative effect of orphans they are correct in finite time and possibly even in infinite time. It would increase variance a bit, because orphaned shares would not be paid, ever.

I'd much rather keep a mathematically sound reward system in operation rather than break it completely in an attempt to cater to those who do not fully understand it, honestly.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:20:30 PM
The force 1000TH is jumping up and down, income decreases a lot?????

The effect of the larger miners on the pool tinkering with their hash power has no effect on your earnings...


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
This would mean the pool empties the share long more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition.

In the case of Eligius, it would go toward the extra credit under the old system.

That's why it's not 100% expected value. If you get unlucky, you get unlucky. If you get lucky, the reward goes to the people who mined before you.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:22:39 PM
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Well as I've occasionally said before, when orphan a block you should perhaps just dump 25 BTC of shares, not put them back on the share log. That keeps the expected value of shares going on to the log equal to the shares coming off.

This would mean the pool empties the share long more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition. Theoretically this can already happen with a run of very good luck (but is unlikely). Perhaps this would satisfy people who say that the share log will never empty and therefore expected value is lower than PPLNS. Given the cumulative effect of orphans they are correct in finite time and possibly even in infinite time. It would increase variance a bit, because orphaned shares would not be paid, ever.

I'd much rather keep a mathematically sound reward system in operation rather than break it completely in an attempt to cater to those who do not fully understand it, honestly.

The system I described is sound, as far as I know.

I'm not actually sure what your definition of sound is though.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:24:15 PM
So, what's your definition of 100% PPS?

100% PPS = (block_reward/network_difficulty)

This would mean the pool empties the share long more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition.

In the case of Eligius, it would go toward the extra credit under the old system.

That's why it's not 100% expected value. If you get unlucky, you get unlucky. If you get lucky, the reward goes to the people who mined before you.

Any new miner basically starts with a fresh slate, and their shares enter the top of the share log with an estimated reward of 100% immediately.  Older miners have zero effect on this, ever.  You don't understand how the system works, please make sure you understand properly before making FUD-ish statements like this.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:25:20 PM
If you get unlucky, you get unlucky. If you get lucky, the reward goes to the people who mined before you.

This is true under PPLNS as well, so I'm not sure your point. Let's say someone mined yesterday (N>1 day) and then stopped. You are mining today and you get lucky. Some of that luck (potentially a lot of it) shifts to the person who mined yesterday. You have the same opportunity to get lucky tomorrow though, as does someone under the CPPSRB.





Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:27:17 PM
Any new miner basically starts with a fresh slate, and their shares enter the top of the share log with an estimated reward of 100% immediately.

(Ignoring orhpans.)

Their estimated reward is not really 100% though, for any finite time. As long as there is a possibility it will be <100% and no possibility it will be >100% then the expected value is <100%





Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:28:10 PM
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Well as I've occasionally said before, when orphan a block you should perhaps just dump 25 BTC of shares, not put them back on the share log. That keeps the expected value of shares going on to the log equal to the shares coming off.

This would mean the pool empties the share long more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition. Theoretically this can already happen with a run of very good luck (but is unlikely). Perhaps this would satisfy people who say that the share log will never empty and therefore expected value is lower than PPLNS. Given the cumulative effect of orphans they are correct in finite time and possibly even in infinite time. It would increase variance a bit, because orphaned shares would not be paid, ever.

I'd much rather keep a mathematically sound reward system in operation rather than break it completely in an attempt to cater to those who do not fully understand it, honestly.

The system I described is sound, as far as I know.

I'm not actually sure what your definition of sound is though.



By definition under CPPSRB there can be no "orphaned shares."  Shares are paid when the pool gets income, and are left alone when it doesn't.  What happens if the pool gets several quick successive orphans in a row with far less than 25 BTC worth of mining (at 100% PPS) done to find them, but much more of the share log is dumped?  Doesn't make much sense...

Any new miner basically starts with a fresh slate, and their shares enter the top of the share log with an estimated reward of 100% immediately.

(Ignoring orhpans.)

Their estimated reward is not really 100% though, for any finite time. As long as there is a possibility it will be <100% and no possibility it will be >100% then the expected value is <100%


I was specifically referring to the shares they submit immediately upon starting to mine... they will be at the top of the share log with estimated reward of 100%.  The shares before theirs in the share log have no affect on their own earnings.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:33:47 PM
This would mean the pool empties the share long more often, and I don't know the specified behavior under that condition.

In the case of Eligius, it would go toward the extra credit under the old system.

That's why it's not 100% expected value. If you get unlucky, you get unlucky. If you get lucky, the reward goes to the people who mined before you.

Any new miner basically starts with a fresh slate, and their shares enter the top of the share log with an estimated reward of 100% immediately.  Older miners have zero effect on this, ever.

Start out as a new miner. Mine 16 shares. With average luck, you'll get paid for those 16 shares. With above average luck, you'll get paid for those 16 shares, and some people who mined before you also get paid for their shares. With bad luck, you get nothing.

Expected value is less than 100%, even if there are no orphans, unless you assume that Eligius lasts forever.

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The expected long term reward with any pool reward system, unless the pool is somehow subsidizing orphans (which means it probably has a fee in excess of the orphan % anyway...) is 100% PPS minus orphan % minus fees (if any).

So, this is saying that it is expected for Eligius to last forever. 100% minus 0% minus 0% is not less than 100%.

The average expected value of everyone is 100%, but that doesn't mean the average expected value of each person is 100%.

You don't understand how the system works, please make sure you understand properly before making FUD-ish statements like this.

What was wrong about what I said above?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:34:37 PM
Any new miner basically starts with a fresh slate, and their shares enter the top of the share log with an estimated reward of 100% immediately.

(Ignoring orhpans.)

Their estimated reward is not really 100% though, for any finite time. As long as there is a possibility it will be <100% and no possibility it will be >100% then the expected value is <100%


Exactly.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:35:38 PM
What happens if the pool gets several quick successive orphans in a row with far less than 25 BTC worth of mining (at 100% PPS) done to find them, but much more of the share log is dumped?  Doesn't make much sense...

The same (or at least balancing) thing that happens when a block takes more shares and is then orphaned. Some of the shares used to find that block get to stay on the log. In expectation when you get an orphan, the work done to find that block has been lost, and you are never getting it back. Putting those shares onto the log suggests that the pool will somehow get good luck in the future to offset the bad luck it had in the past. That is true for regular bad luck blocks, but false for orphans.

Here's an alternative suggestion that has much less effect on variance. Dump the oldest 25 BTC worth of shares in the log.

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I was specifically referring to the shares they submit immediately upon starting to mine... they will be at the top of the share log with estimated reward of 100%.  The shares before theirs in the share log have no affect on their own earnings.

I think we can agree their estimated reward would be 100% if there were no orphans. Since there are orphans it must be less than 100%.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 24, 2014, 11:40:14 PM
I'm not opposed to CPPSRB and I do mine a bit at Eligius myself when not mining alt coins, but personally it feels more intuitive to me use something like PPLNS or DGM where blocks found now are skewed towards people doing work now. When making my TRC pool last year, CPPSRB is the direction I was heading for a while, but I eventually went with DGM instead because of that. (Also, I never wanted to hold coins at the pool under any circumstances, which PPLNS or DGM also allows.)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:42:47 PM
What happens if the pool gets several quick successive orphans in a row with far less than 25 BTC worth of mining (at 100% PPS) done to find them, but much more of the share log is dumped?  Doesn't make much sense...

The same (or at least balancing) thing that happens when a block takes more shares and is then orphaned. Some of the shares used to find that block get to stay on the log. In expectation when you get an orphan, the work done to find that block has been lost, and you are never getting it back. Putting those shares onto the log suggests that the pool will somehow get good luck in the future to offset the bad luck it had in the past. That is true for regular bad luck blocks, but false for orphans.

Here's an alternative suggestion that has much less effect on variance. Dump the oldest 25 BTC worth of shares in the log.

There are most likely ways to exploit this approach, even if it did somehow work out properly in simulations.

In any case, the net effect assuming it works is more variance, and likely even more confusion... not an actual increase in earnings.

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100% minus 0% minus 0% is not less than 100%.

You seem to have failed at math again and did not subtract orphan percentage.

The average expected value of everyone is 100%, but that doesn't mean the average expected value of each person is 100%.

Never said this.  I actually said way earlier in this that the expected value is around 98% pool-wide.

Expected value is less than 100%, even if there are no orphans

Again with the math fail... if there were no orphans expected value would be 100%.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:49:37 PM
I'm not opposed to CPPSRB and I do mine a bit at Eligius myself when not mining alt coins, but personally it feels more intuitive to me use something like PPLNS or DGM where blocks found now are skewed towards people doing work now. When making my TRC pool last year, CPPSRB is the direction I was heading for a while, but I eventually went with DGM instead because of that. (Also, I never wanted to hold coins at the pool under any circumstances, which PPLNS or DGM also allows.)

CPPSRB with real-time coinbase payouts is actually a pretty complicated setup pool-side and has to take many factors into account.  I personally underestimated this when initially drafting the code but have worked in many improvements over the last year+.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 24, 2014, 11:50:47 PM
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The same (or at least balancing) thing that happens when a block takes more shares and is then orphaned. Some of the shares used to find that block get to stay on the log. In expectation when you get an orphan, the work done to find that block has been lost, and you are never getting it back. Putting those shares onto the log suggests that the pool will somehow get good luck in the future to offset the bad luck it had in the past. That is true for regular bad luck blocks, but false for orphans.

Here's an alternative suggestion that has much less effect on variance. Dump the oldest 25 BTC worth of shares in the log.

There are most likely ways to exploit this approach, even if it did somehow work out properly in simulations.

That is possible. I would have to think about it some more, and do some math. Unfortunately I'm pretty busy so I won't. If someone wants to do the actual math and PM me, I'll collaborate on it.  My intuition is that it can be reduced to some version of PPLNS that is not exploitable, but that might require a tweak or two.

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In any case, the net effect assuming it works is more variance, and likely even more confusion... not an actual increase in earnings.

There is certainly not an increase in total earnings. As you say all the earnings for the pool are paid out to someone, so it can't be increased. There would probably be some increase in earnings to some identifiable subset of past, present, or future miners, along with a corresponding decrease to some other set. Whether that shift would be good or bad is another question.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 24, 2014, 11:53:55 PM
What happens if the pool gets several quick successive orphans in a row with far less than 25 BTC worth of mining (at 100% PPS) done to find them, but much more of the share log is dumped?  Doesn't make much sense...

The same (or at least balancing) thing that happens when a block takes more shares and is then orphaned. Some of the shares used to find that block get to stay on the log. In expectation when you get an orphan, the work done to find that block has been lost, and you are never getting it back. Putting those shares onto the log suggests that the pool will somehow get good luck in the future to offset the bad luck it had in the past. That is true for regular bad luck blocks, but false for orphans.

Here's an alternative suggestion that has much less effect on variance. Dump the oldest 25 BTC worth of shares in the log.

There are most likely ways to exploit this approach, even if it did somehow work out properly in simulations.

In any case, the net effect assuming it works is more variance, and likely even more confusion... not an actual increase in earnings.

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100% minus 0% minus 0% is not less than 100%.

You seem to have failed at math again and did not subtract orphan percentage.

The average expected value of everyone is 100%, but that doesn't mean the average expected value of each person is 100%.

Never said this.  I actually said way earlier in this that the expected value is around 98% pool-wide.

Expected value is less than 100%, even if there are no orphans

Again with the math fail... if there were no orphans expected value would be 100%.

Interesting how you put the part where I said "if there are no orphans" at the end, while I had it at the beginning.

My two comments ("100% minus 0% minus 0% is not less than 100%." and "The average expected value of everyone is 100%, but that doesn't mean the average expected value of each person is 100%.") were under the scenario that there are no orphans.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 24, 2014, 11:57:36 PM
What happens if the pool gets several quick successive orphans in a row with far less than 25 BTC worth of mining (at 100% PPS) done to find them, but much more of the share log is dumped?  Doesn't make much sense...

The same (or at least balancing) thing that happens when a block takes more shares and is then orphaned. Some of the shares used to find that block get to stay on the log. In expectation when you get an orphan, the work done to find that block has been lost, and you are never getting it back. Putting those shares onto the log suggests that the pool will somehow get good luck in the future to offset the bad luck it had in the past. That is true for regular bad luck blocks, but false for orphans.

Here's an alternative suggestion that has much less effect on variance. Dump the oldest 25 BTC worth of shares in the log.

There are most likely ways to exploit this approach, even if it did somehow work out properly in simulations.

In any case, the net effect assuming it works is more variance, and likely even more confusion... not an actual increase in earnings.

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100% minus 0% minus 0% is not less than 100%.

You seem to have failed at math again and did not subtract orphan percentage.

The average expected value of everyone is 100%, but that doesn't mean the average expected value of each person is 100%.

Never said this.  I actually said way earlier in this that the expected value is around 98% pool-wide.

Expected value is less than 100%, even if there are no orphans

Again with the math fail... if there were no orphans expected value would be 100%.

Interesting how you put the part where I said "if there are no orphans" at the end, while I had it at the beginning.

My two comments ("100% minus 0% minus 0% is not less than 100%." and "The average expected value of everyone is 100%, but that doesn't mean the average expected value of each person is 100%.") were under the scenario that there are no orphans.

I just grabbed parts of your post and addressed them.  Order didn't seem relevant since the part about adding percentages was after a quote of mine that included orphan %, so, no clear way to understand that you intended the math to not include orphans.  In which case, we appear to be in agreement.  Without orphans, earnings will average to 100%.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 25, 2014, 12:02:11 AM
CPPSRB with real-time coinbase payouts is actually a pretty complicated setup pool-side and has to take many factors into account.  I personally underestimated this when initially drafting the code but have worked in many improvements over the last year+.

I don't doubt it. I do *almost real-time coinbase payouts myself, I just use DGM instead of CPPSRB to calculates the payments. Eligius was my inspiration to do coinbase payouts. So that was a mission critical feature for me that I wouldn't go live without. :) (Basically the goal was coinbase payouts + never hold anyone else's coins ever for any reason.)

(* I only update the payouts included in the coinbase once every 3.5 seconds since I don't want to waste the cpu power to calculate it fresh on every single share submitted, or have delays if the database server is slow. So a miner's score might be off by a small fraction if a few seconds of work are credited after a block instead of before it. I felt that was a fair performance trade-off. On principal though, every miner gets work a tiny bit different because if your work finds a block, then the coinbase outputs on the block you found already included credit for that share you just earned by finding the block itself. That was a bit of a headache, but made me feel good. :) )


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 12:03:31 AM
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The same (or at least balancing) thing that happens when a block takes more shares and is then orphaned. Some of the shares used to find that block get to stay on the log. In expectation when you get an orphan, the work done to find that block has been lost, and you are never getting it back. Putting those shares onto the log suggests that the pool will somehow get good luck in the future to offset the bad luck it had in the past. That is true for regular bad luck blocks, but false for orphans.

Here's an alternative suggestion that has much less effect on variance. Dump the oldest 25 BTC worth of shares in the log.

There are most likely ways to exploit this approach, even if it did somehow work out properly in simulations.

That is possible. I would have to think about it some more, and do some math. Unfortunately I'm pretty busy so I won't. If someone wants to do the actual math and PM me, I'll collaborate on it.  My intuition is that it can be reduced to some version of PPLNS that is not exploitable, but that might require a tweak or two.

A big question that needs to be answers first is what do you do if the log goes empty. Revert to PPLNS?

Also, I mean, exploitable how? CPPSRB is probably always going to be vulnerable to some sort of block withholding attack.

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In any case, the net effect assuming it works is more variance, and likely even more confusion... not an actual increase in earnings.

There is certainly not an increase in total earnings. As you say all the earnings for the pool are paid out to someone, so it can't be increased. There would probably be some increase in earnings to some identifiable subset of past, present, or future miners, along with a corresponding decrease to some other set. Whether that shift would be good or bad is another question.

Again it depends on what you do if the log goes empty. But if you're decreasing the expected value for the oldest miners (as measured presently, not as measured when they originally got a share), which removing their shares clearly does, then you must be increasing it for someone else.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 12:07:48 AM
Start out as a new miner. Mine 16 shares. With average luck, you'll get paid for those 16 shares. With above average luck, you'll get paid for those 16 shares, and some people who mined before you also get paid for their shares. With bad luck, you get nothing.

Expected value is less than 100%, even if there are no orphans, unless you assume that Eligius lasts forever.

The difference is that once you stop mining with Eligius, the pool will still pay you out shares if it is lucky, whereas every other pool will stop immediately (or after a few hours with PPLNS)

That is where the expectation value of Eligius goes back to 100%, and it is where you "benifit" of the phenomenon that "handicaps" you when you start mining, that is, if the pool is lucky, it pays older shares, not your shares.

I agree that to uncover shares buried deep into the share log, you will probably wait a very long time. But it is as unliquely that a significant amount of your work will pay other than yourself. So it evens out.

Think of it as a "entry deposit" you will get back when you stop mining. Your first few days, you will probably "give" some work to older other miners. But as soon as you have a few shelved shares, you will almost probably always work toward those shares. That "shelved share buffer" is about constant over time, so it always shrinks when seen as a percentage of all the shares you submitted.


Sure it matters. The people at the very end of the shelved share list have virtually no chance of ever getting paid for those shares, in large part because the block rewards keep going down and the difficulty keeps going up.

In Eligius pool, the shelved shares are NOT stored as a given BTC amount, but a fraction of the block reward. When the pool finds a blocks, it then pays the shares at as function of the block reward at the time the block was found, not at the time the share was submitted.

So your balance in units of "block reward fraction" does not depend on the actual block reward. The expected "worth" of the unpayed shares will be cut in half when the block reward will half.

Eventually Eligius will cease to exist. At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.

Yes, but Eligius will have never owned such money. All the unpayed shares left are only attribuable to the pool's bad luck. A PPLNS pool would not have done any better. No body is ripping off anybody here.

Yes a given user might have had more money (even over 100%!) if the PPLNS pool was lucky when the user mined on it. But a given user might as well have had less money if he was unlucky when he mined on it.

Whether the pool is PPLNS or CPPSRPB, on average users have had exactly the same reward. The only difference is that there is more variability in PPLNS: Some users are over-rewarded, others are under-rewarded. BUT THE AVERAGE OF BOTH METHOD IS THE SAME.

At that point, you chose which method you prefer. If you prefer to gamble, you should prefer PPLSN. You might get lucky. Or not. With CPPSRB, you cannot go over 100%, it is true, but you cannot go as far under it as you could with PPLNS.

It also depends on what you define as "fair". What is fairer:
-That everybody's work, whatever the time it is submitted, has equal worth? That CPPSRP
-That the pool should pay shares more if it is luck and pay shares less if it is unlucky? That PPLNS



In any case, this debate is slightly pointless, because, for any user who has been mining for a few months, the difference between both method is very, very small.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 12:08:12 AM
I just grabbed parts of your post and addressed them.  Order didn't seem relevant

Well, it was.

Without orphans, earnings will average to 100%.

If you average everyone together. But that doesn't mean it's 100% for each individual.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 25, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
A big question that needs to be answers first is what do you do if the log goes empty.

This can already happen, in theory, if the pool gets really lucky. What happens when this occurs is not described, as far as I can tell.

Crediting shares at effectively 100% PPS even though the actual earnings must be less than that (given the reality of orphans) reduces the probability of the share log running empty, but that strikes me as somewhat sweeping the problem under the rug.





Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
A big question that needs to be answers first is what do you do if the log goes empty.

This can already happen, in theory, if the pool gets really lucky. What happens when this occurs is not described, as far as I can tell.

As far as I know, if this were to happen, then the block reward would be sent to a cold wallet, where wizkid would do a manual payment when the pool has a few unlucky.

This is, indeed, losing one of the few advantages of eligius, namely, no need to trust the operator, but it is a moot question considering the actual state of the pool.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 25, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
A big question that needs to be answers first is what do you do if the log goes empty.

This can already happen, in theory, if the pool gets really lucky. What happens when this occurs is not described, as far as I can tell.

Crediting shares at effectively 100% PPS even though the actual earnings must be less than that reduces the probability of the share log running empty, but that strikes me as somewhat sweeping the problem under the rug.


If the entire share log is paid the excess goes to a buffer.  Then when the next block is found, the amount of the buffer is added to its reward for purposes of paying the share log.  This is described here. (http://eligius.st/~gateway/faq/pseudo-code)



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 12:12:55 AM
I'll cede this one to WK or un_ordinateur.

I must say I'm quite honored to be considered a trusted information source. Especially in the trustless universe that is bitcoin. Thanks!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 12:32:52 AM
CPPSRB is probably always going to be vulnerable to some sort of block withholding attack.

I'm quite sure that ALL pools are vulnerable to a block witholding attack. But the attacker gain nothing from doing it, unless their goal is to destroy the pool. But there is no way to gain money from it.

Well, the users might always "blackmail" the pool by threathening the pool to withold their block unless they send them some coins, but that could happen to any pool, whatever the method.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 12:39:28 AM
Start out as a new miner. Mine 16 shares. With average luck, you'll get paid for those 16 shares. With above average luck, you'll get paid for those 16 shares, and some people who mined before you also get paid for their shares. With bad luck, you get nothing.

Expected value is less than 100%, even if there are no orphans, unless you assume that Eligius lasts forever.

The difference is that once you stop mining with Eligius, the pool will still pay you out shares if it is lucky, whereas every other pool will stop immediately (or after a few hours with PPLNS)

Well, yeah, that is the difference.

I'd say it's also a disadvantage.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a significant disadvantage. But the idea that you one day might have dust which will disappear in 30 days later unless you go back to mining, and that collecting that dust would be necessary to get the same expected value as everyone else, is a disadvantage.

That is where the expectation value of Eligius goes back to 100%, and it is where you "benifit" of the phenomenon that "handicaps" you when you start mining, that is, if the pool is lucky, it pays older shares, not your shares.

But again, you only capture that extra % if someone keeps mining after you stop.

Hopefully it's small. I suspect it is. Maybe even negligibly small. I'm curious as to what it is, though. I guess it depends on too many variables, though. Among other things, will everyone else stop mining with Eligius when you do?

I agree that to uncover shares buried deep into the share log, you will probably wait a very long time. But it is as unliquely that a significant amount of your work will pay other than yourself. So it evens out.

It evens out so long as Eligius keeps growing, perhaps. But that can't happen forever.

Sure it matters. The people at the very end of the shelved share list have virtually no chance of ever getting paid for those shares, in large part because the block rewards keep going down and the difficulty keeps going up.

In Eligius pool, the shelved shares are NOT stored as a given BTC amount, but a fraction of the block reward. When the pool finds a blocks, it then pays the shares at as function of the block reward at the time the block was found, not at the time the share was submitted.

So your balance in units of "block reward fraction" does not depend on the actual block reward. The expected "worth" of the unpayed shares will be cut in half when the block reward will half.

Not exactly. The expected value will decline more smoothly than that. But for the most part I think we're saying the same thing. The expected value goes down as the difficulty goes up and the block rewards go down.

Eventually Eligius will cease to exist. At that point, if there are any shelved shares, then Eligius has paid out less than 100% PPS (including transaction fees) minus orphan %. Those shelved shares are never paid.

Yes, but Eligius will have never owned such money. All the unpayed shares left are only attribuable to the pool's bad luck. A PPLNS pool would not have done any better. No body is ripping off anybody here.

I'm sorry if I suggested that.

(Although, possibly somebody is ripping off everybody, if anyone is engaging in a block withholding attack.)

Yes a given user might have had more money (even over 100%!) if the PPLNS pool was lucky when the user mined on it. But a given user might as well have had less money if he was unlucky when he mined on it.

Whether the pool is PPLNS or CPPSRPB, on average users have had exactly the same reward. The only difference is that there is more variability in PPLNS: Some users are over-rewarded, others are under-rewarded. BUT THE AVERAGE OF BOTH METHOD IS THE SAME.

The average over all the participants over all time, yes. The average of a new participant, no.

Just consider a miner who once mines a single difficulty 16 share.

At that point, you chose which method you prefer. If you prefer to gamble, you should prefer PPLSN. You might get lucky. Or not. With CPPSRB, you cannot go over 100%, it is true, but you cannot go as far under it as you could with PPLNS.

With CPPSRB, just as with PPLNS, you can get 0%. Again, consider a miner who once mines a single difficulty 16 share.

It also depends on what you define as "fair". What is fairer:
-That everybody's work, whatever the time it is submitted, has equal worth? That CPPSRP

I'm not sure what you mean by that. It's certainly not true under CPPSRP (or any sane system) that 1 gigahash, whatever the time it is submitted, has equal worth.

-That the pool should pay shares more if it is luck and pay shares less if it is unlucky? That PPLNS



In any case, this debate is slightly pointless, because, for any user who has been mining for a few months, the difference between both method is very, very small.

Right now it is. I'm worried about block withholding attacks, though, and the cost of that attack to the attacker is much smaller under CPPSRP than PPLNS.

I am interested though, in calculating just how small the difference is assuming no block withholding, though. Or at least putting a really small upper bound on it.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 25, 2014, 12:44:00 AM
PPLNS variance is higher than CPPSRB.  <snip>

Is this from simulation or analysis? Merni Rosenfeld derives the reward variance for PPLNS on page ten here: https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf

For PPLNS, the variance is 1/(network mining difficulty)*(Bitcoin block reward)^2 * 1/N

(N is the "N' in PPLNS)

What is the variance you've calculated for CPPSRB (analytical or otherwise)? Did you take into account the varying maturity time for CPPSRB compared with the more predictable maturity time for PPLNS?

Cheers, wk - I've been interested to know this for ages.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
CPPSRB is probably always going to be vulnerable to some sort of block withholding attack.

I'm quite sure that ALL pools are vulnerable to a block witholding attack.

Some more than others, though. Under CPPSRB, the cost of not sharing a block (or the maximum cost of delaying one) is one share (at whatever difficulty you've got set, which could be as low as 16 if you've got the network bandwidth and write the mining software) plus a small fraction of your recently shelved shares. Virtually nothing.

Under PPLNS, the cost of not sharing a block (or the maximum cost of delaying one) is all your shares out of the last N. If you're a big miner, that's significantly more than nothing.

But the attacker gain nothing from doing it, unless their goal is to destroy the pool. But there is no way to gain money from it.

What about the "lie in wait" attack? And that's just a simple version. Combine it with a sybil attack and some creative use of GBT and someone with a large share of the network connections and/or hashing power can profit quite a bit from it.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 12:47:33 AM
A big question that needs to be answers first is what do you do if the log goes empty.

This can already happen, in theory, if the pool gets really lucky. What happens when this occurs is not described, as far as I can tell.

Crediting shares at effectively 100% PPS even though the actual earnings must be less than that reduces the probability of the share log running empty, but that strikes me as somewhat sweeping the problem under the rug.


If the entire share log is paid the excess goes to a buffer.  Then when the next block is found, the amount of the buffer is added to its reward for purposes of paying the share log.  This is described here. (http://eligius.st/~gateway/faq/pseudo-code)

Well you agree that people have a greater expected value if they mine while there's a big buffer than if they mine when there's no buffer, right?

Imagine there's a 2000 BTC buffer when you mine your shares. Your expected value is going to be pretty damn close to 100% under the current system, right? Not a measly 98%.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 25, 2014, 01:03:56 AM
If there were lots of CPPSRB pools then you could engage in hopping to the ones with the smallest backlogs I guess. ;)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 25, 2014, 01:05:54 AM
PPLNS variance is higher than CPPSRB.  <snip>

Is this from simulation or analysis? Merni Rosenfeld derives the reward variance for PPLNS on page ten here: https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf

For PPLNS, the variance is 1/(network mining difficulty)*(Bitcoin block reward)^2 * 1/N

(N is the "N' in PPLNS)

What is the variance you've calculated for CPPSRB (analytical or otherwise)? Did you take into account the varying maturity time for CPPSRB compared with the more predictable maturity time for PPLNS?

Cheers, wk - I've been interested to know this for ages.



I ran simulations of multiple reward systems against real-world data (Eligius shares database/blocks) prior to implementing CPPSRB.  (I've rerun this a few times since then, but not recently.)

While I admittedly do not know how to boil it down to a single equation, I'm pretty good at simulation :)

I took short and long term averages and % deviations from maximum/expected PPS for various time frames accounting for individuals as well as pool-wide earnings with multiple reward systems.  While PPLNS (with various different N's) ended up pretty close to CPPSRB's % deviation quickly, CPPSRB always tended to win by at least a few %.

Over the longer term and taking into account the real world data (where some miners were not consistent for example) PPLNS left some miners with substantially higher variance than others, while CPPSRB managed to iron this out quite well in most cases.

In my simulations CPPSRB kept more miners closer to 100% PPS than PPLNS did over almost all time frames, short and long.

-wk


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 01:06:20 AM
If there were lots of CPPSRB pools then you could engage in hopping to the ones with the smallest backlogs I guess. ;)

Or just hop to PPLNS whenever the backlog is less than zero. ;)

(In reality there are other factors which are probably more important, though. Not the least of which is fees.)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 25, 2014, 01:10:26 AM
I ran simulations of multiple reward systems against real-world data (Eligius shares database/blocks) prior to implementing CPPSRB.  (I've rerun this a few times since then, but not recently.)

While I admittedly do not know how to boil it down to a single equation, I'm pretty good at simulation :)

I took short and long term averages and % deviations from maximum/expected PPS for various time frames accounting for individuals as well as pool-wide earnings with multiple reward systems.  While PPLNS (with various different N's) ended up pretty close to CPPSRB's % deviation quickly, CPPSRB always tended to win by at least a few %.

Over the longer term and taking into account the real world data (where some miners were not consistent for example) PPLNS left some miners with substantially higher variance than others, while CPPSRB managed to iron this out quite well in most cases.

In my simulations CPPSRB kept more miners closer to 100% PPS than PPLNS did over almost all time frames, short and long.

-wk

Thanks for putting in the work, wk. I reckon you should put your data on Eligius' website, maybe publish it as an experiment to make it more replicable? Or maybe you have a pool to run :)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 25, 2014, 01:13:07 AM
If there were lots of CPPSRB pools then you could engage in hopping to the ones with the smallest backlogs I guess. ;)

I'd be interested to see how much you could shorten the expected time to maturity using this approach for an arbitrary number of CPPSRB pools.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 25, 2014, 01:21:17 AM
If there were lots of CPPSRB pools then you could engage in hopping to the ones with the smallest backlogs I guess. ;)

I'd be interested to see how much you could shorten the expected time to maturity using this approach for an arbitrary number of CPPSRB pools.

Let us know how it turns out. ;)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 01:23:33 AM
If there were lots of CPPSRB pools then you could engage in hopping to the ones with the smallest backlogs I guess. ;)

I'd be interested to see how much you could shorten the expected time to maturity using this approach for an arbitrary number of CPPSRB pools.

Let us know how it turns out. ;)

Well, that's a much better answer than claiming that the issue doesn't exist! ;)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 25, 2014, 01:28:47 AM
My math-fu isn't at organofcorti's level. I wouldn't even begin to try. ;)

Maybe one day Meni will add CPPSRB to his analysis paper.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 25, 2014, 01:59:08 AM
My math-fu isn't at organofcorti's level. I wouldn't even being to try. ;)

Maybe one day Meni will add CPPSRB to his analysis paper.

Oh, I figured you'd try simulating something. I did the same for proportional pools a while back, before I knew Meni had already worked on the problem.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 25, 2014, 02:42:03 AM
If there were lots of CPPSRB pools then you could engage in hopping to the ones with the smallest backlogs I guess. ;)

Exactly. The algorithm is not hop proof. Given multiple CPPSRB pools you should hop to the one with the largest buffer, failing that the smallest share log.




Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 25, 2014, 02:52:47 AM
Well, I tried an alt-coin switching pool (tompool) and made less than half. Once again Eligius wins out.

While all the stuff about the payout system is interesting, it has been my real world experience that I make more coin here, even setting a 1 percent donation as automatic. I'll probably still play around some as I go, but at least for bitcoin, Eligius is by far the best pool I've tried. Second was BTCguild, and I make more here.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 03:24:14 AM
Merni Rosenfeld derives the reward variance for PPLNS on page ten here: https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf

Man, that was a really interesting read!

What about the "lie in wait" attack?

I didn't know that attack until 10 minutes ago. Seriously I've learned things today.

Maybe one day Meni will add CPPSRB to his analysis paper.

I believe it is briefly described on page 22; under the name "pay-once-PPLNS". He does not do a thorough analysis of it like the other methods though.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on February 25, 2014, 04:45:47 AM
Merni Rosenfeld derives the reward variance for PPLNS on page ten here: https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf

Man, that was a really interesting read!

What about the "lie in wait" attack?

I didn't know that attack until 10 minutes ago. Seriously I've learned things today.

Maybe one day Meni will add CPPSRB to his analysis paper.

I believe it is briefly described on page 22; under the name "pay-once-PPLNS". He does not do a thorough analysis of it like the other methods though.

CPPSRB is closer in nature to SMPPS than PPLNS, and from what I remember he had no plans to add it in.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: malamashka on February 25, 2014, 09:10:19 AM
Well, I tried an alt-coin switching pool (tompool) and made less than half. Once again Eligius wins out.

While all the stuff about the payout system is interesting, it has been my real world experience that I make more coin here, even setting a 1 percent donation as automatic. I'll probably still play around some as I go, but at least for bitcoin, Eligius is by far the best pool I've tried. Second was BTCguild, and I make more here.

Yes its great pool, but despite we putting some donations its shame the greatest pool can't keep the stats working a week without a problem ...


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on February 25, 2014, 10:11:25 AM
I ran simulations of multiple reward systems against real-world data (Eligius shares database/blocks) prior to implementing CPPSRB.  (I've rerun this a few times since then, but not recently.)

While I admittedly do not know how to boil it down to a single equation, I'm pretty good at simulation :)

I took short and long term averages and % deviations from maximum/expected PPS for various time frames accounting for individuals as well as pool-wide earnings with multiple reward systems.  While PPLNS (with various different N's) ended up pretty close to CPPSRB's % deviation quickly, CPPSRB always tended to win by at least a few %.

Over the longer term and taking into account the real world data (where some miners were not consistent for example) PPLNS left some miners with substantially higher variance than others, while CPPSRB managed to iron this out quite well in most cases.

In my simulations CPPSRB kept more miners closer to 100% PPS than PPLNS did over almost all time frames, short and long.

-wk

This is why many of us are thankful you are involved at the level you are with Eligius.

Many many many thanks again for your efforts!


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 25, 2014, 10:47:05 AM
Well, I tried an alt-coin switching pool (tompool) and made less than half. Once again Eligius wins out.

While all the stuff about the payout system is interesting, it has been my real world experience that I make more coin here, even setting a 1 percent donation as automatic. I'll probably still play around some as I go, but at least for bitcoin, Eligius is by far the best pool I've tried. Second was BTCguild, and I make more here.

Yes its great pool, but despite we putting some donations its shame the greatest pool can't keep the stats working a week without a problem ...

Noted, but the coin flows even when the stats page is playing with itself. And it improves a bit every time, it seems. It does get annoying, but I keep coming back. Can't be that bad, apparently.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joeventura on February 25, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
Website seems to be down this morning with 504s

Shares still being accepted.



Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on February 25, 2014, 01:12:43 PM
It's down for me too...  hopefully my shares ares still being accepted.  I'm not home now so I can't check.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 25, 2014, 01:19:33 PM
It's down for me too...  hopefully my shares ares still being accepted.  I'm not home now so I can't check.


The pool appears to be fine. It's just the stats page again. I'm connected and hashing away.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on February 25, 2014, 01:39:30 PM
Ok... thanks.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Atomar on February 25, 2014, 01:47:52 PM
I can't connect! I get "504 Gateway Time-Out"


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on February 25, 2014, 02:09:42 PM
Right, the stats page is down but share are still apparently being accepted.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on February 25, 2014, 02:14:55 PM
I can't connect! I get "504 Gateway Time-Out"

I guess wizkid057 has stopped the stats server in order to rebuild the system faster.
Just keep your miners pointed to the pool. The shares are still counted.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on February 25, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Stats page is back up for me.  ;D


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Atomar on February 25, 2014, 04:16:46 PM
Jup. It's working again.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on February 25, 2014, 04:19:15 PM
Yes, however I have been waiting to re-enter the payout queue for several blocks now. I was in the queue last night after a "19 block delay", something's up.

I'm sure it will be fixed, I trust Wk.

C


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on February 25, 2014, 04:45:55 PM
Yes, however I have been waiting to re-enter the payout queue for several blocks now. I was in the queue last night after a "19 block delay", something's up.

I'm sure it will be fixed, I trust Wk.

C
Usually Wk makes manual payouts after stats problems like this one.
The queue should normalize again after that.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on February 25, 2014, 04:53:19 PM
Yes, however I have been waiting to re-enter the payout queue for several blocks now. I was in the queue last night after a "19 block delay", something's up.

I'm sure it will be fixed, I trust Wk.

C
Usually Wk makes manual payouts after stats problems like this one.
The queue should normalize again after that.
Indeed. I seem to be back in queue, 19 blocks back. Once again, not a big deal he'll fix it eventually (highly understanding this is a side business for him)


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on February 25, 2014, 06:42:32 PM
I've been creeping down the payment queue all day.
When I went in to it I was at 880'th position, now around 10 hours later I am at 1113'rd.
There have been 21 or 22 blocks in front of me all this time.
Hopefully WK knows about this?
I guess I'm not the only one affected.

1DNqNN7TaauTSnaxigXNx11nntDBxLwS7n


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bizzyb on February 25, 2014, 06:55:44 PM
I've been creeping down the payment queue all day.
When I went in to it I was at 880'th position, now around 10 hours later I am at 1113'rd.
There have been 21 or 22 blocks in front of me all this time.
Hopefully WK knows about this?
I guess I'm not the only one affected.

1DNqNN7TaauTSnaxigXNx11nntDBxLwS7n

He tends to clear a load of blocks out of the queue by doing manual payments if it gets too backlogged..we pretty much..without fail..get paid once per day...on the odd occasion it skips a day and we get 1 large or 2,3,4 payments to catch up.
No concerns here.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on February 25, 2014, 07:06:05 PM
I've been creeping down the payment queue all day.
When I went in to it I was at 880'th position, now around 10 hours later I am at 1113'rd.
There have been 21 or 22 blocks in front of me all this time.
Hopefully WK knows about this?
I guess I'm not the only one affected.

1DNqNN7TaauTSnaxigXNx11nntDBxLwS7n

1Nbq has a bunch of payments waiting... about 6 blocks worth in a row, so it'll probably back the queue up a little... when CPPSRB goes into fail-safe mode the automatic payments are halted and WK has to come in and clear it up manually... afaik


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 25, 2014, 07:28:49 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).




Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 25, 2014, 07:33:14 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).
It is first in, first out. But often slower miners don't reach their minimum payouts immediately. They don't lose their queue position just because they haven't met that requirement, so once they do meet it, they get inserted in the position they hold.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 07:34:08 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).

The queue is always sorted by how much time one has recieveid it's most recent payent, in increasing order.

So if you were a position 1, with your last payment 1 day ago, and while you are une the queue, a user crosses his payment treshold, and had his last payment 1 week ago, he'll be in position 1 and you'll be in position 2.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 07:37:28 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).

The queue is always sorted by how much time one has recieveid it's most recent payent, in increasing order.

So if you were a position 1, with your last payment 1 day ago, and while you are une the queue, a user crosses his payment treshold, and had his last payment 1 week ago, he'll be in position 1 and you'll be in position 2.

With any other method, people would have an incentive to put their payment the lowest to get into the queue more ofter an skip everybody. With the current method, a user may chose to place a higher treshold for his payout, recieveing money less time, but "in exchange", he knows that his payment will have a better priority in the queue.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).

The queue is always sorted by how much time one has recieveid it's most recent payent, in increasing order.

So if you were a position 1, with your last payment 1 day ago, and while you are une the queue, a user crosses his payment treshold, and had his last payment 1 week ago, he'll be in position 1 and you'll be in position 2.

What if it's your first payment? From the time you start mining?


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 25, 2014, 08:14:21 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).

The queue is always sorted by how much time one has recieveid it's most recent payent, in increasing order.

So if you were a position 1, with your last payment 1 day ago, and while you are une the queue, a user crosses his payment treshold, and had his last payment 1 week ago, he'll be in position 1 and you'll be in position 2.

What if it's your first payment? From the time you start mining?

I believe that in fact, the system orders the payout by their oldest unpaid share. It doesn't change anything if you have already recieved a payout, since a payout clears your balance, your oldest unpaid share will be just after the payment.

But if it is your first payout, then your balance age is when you started mining.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 25, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).

The queue is always sorted by how much time one has recieveid it's most recent payent, in increasing order.

So if you were a position 1, with your last payment 1 day ago, and while you are une the queue, a user crosses his payment treshold, and had his last payment 1 week ago, he'll be in position 1 and you'll be in position 2.

What if it's your first payment? From the time you start mining?

I believe that in fact, the system orders the payout by their oldest unpaid share. It doesn't change anything if you have already recieved a payout, since a payout clears your balance, your oldest unpaid share will be just after the payment.

But if it is your first payout, then your balance age is when you started mining.

Makes sense. Thanks.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 25, 2014, 08:23:15 PM
Can somebody explain what the deal is with moving into worse position in the queue?  Wouldn't it make more sense for the queue to be like an actual queue (first in, first out).
It is first in, first out. But often slower miners don't reach their minimum payouts immediately. They don't lose their queue position just because they haven't met that requirement, so once they do meet it, they get inserted in the position they hold.

OK, I understand that. FCFS starting with last payment. Makes sense.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 25, 2014, 08:27:32 PM
Disclosure:

I've just compiled a list of all addresses that have used MtGox's proprietary variant of the sign-message feature.
When wizkid057 returns home in an hour, the plan is to suspend payouts for these addresses until further resolution.
This will only work if you signed at least one settings message using MtGox's sign-message feature.
Any suggestions on how to reliably identify other MtGox addresses, or prove owners, is welcome.

Please note that we still cannot move balances between addresses, so do not depend on being able to recover bitcoins mined to MtGox addresses.
If you want your payouts on another address, begin mining with that new address immediately to ensure you are paid.

Merely making claims is of no value, so please don't bother trying.


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on February 25, 2014, 08:47:21 PM
Ouch, I didn't even think about that back-stop, nice catch Luke and Wk.

I've actually made an error in my wallet on a config file and mined into the ether for an hour or so. It's a weird thought for that on a larger scale.

C


Title: Re: [4800Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: pembo210 on February 26, 2014, 06:00:13 AM
Disclosure:
...
This will only work if you signed at least one settings message using MtGox's sign-message feature.
Any suggestions on how to reliably identify other MtGox addresses, or prove owners, is welcome. ...
Nice catch. Thankyou Luke/Wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: spooderman on February 26, 2014, 09:38:38 AM
Hi this thread moves so fast that my question got missed about 10 pages back.

Do you limit the number of non-transaction fee transfers per block?

Thanks.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 26, 2014, 04:34:43 PM
Hi this thread moves so fast that my question got missed about 10 pages back.

Do you limit the number of non-transaction fee transfers per block?

Thanks.

I don't know their rule for sure. However, they do claim to use a spam filter to filter out certain transactions. For certain, most of the last few blocks do not contain a lot of feeless transaction. However, this block (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/0000000000000000e5533169c5ebd55359b2967dc5b1a3583d8edae33f349b46) that we found 2 hours ago contains two feeless transaction, so their rule cannot be "only one free transaction".

That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees. I'm not surprised, they take several hours to confirm.



However, a special rule that Eligius DOES enforce that other miners don't do is that they only allow a single transaction to a given address per block, to discourage address reuse, because there are some people currently trying to create an address blacklist/whitelist, something wizkid and luke-jr consider a bad thing for bitcoin. If address are not reused, and a new address is created for each transaction, then such list cannot work.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 26, 2014, 05:46:57 PM
Do you limit the number of non-transaction fee transfers per block?
Yes, every miner does AFAIK.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 09:32:22 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 26, 2014, 09:53:22 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.
I'm confused about what you're saying. Either the transaction includes a fee or it doesn't, regardless of who relays the transaction.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 26, 2014, 09:56:55 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.
I'm confused about what you're saying. Either the transaction includes a fee or it doesn't, regardless of who relays the transaction.

Some no-fee transactions won't get relayed by the standard client, but still might get included by a miner. Anth0ny seems to be saying that the majority of no-fee transactions are like that, but I'm not sure why he believes this.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 10:02:12 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.
I'm confused about what you're saying. Either the transaction includes a fee or it doesn't, regardless of who relays the transaction.

Some no-fee transactions won't get relayed by the standard client, but still might get included by a miner.

Yeah, exactly.

Anth0ny seems to be saying that the majority of no-fee transactions are like that, but I'm not sure why he believes this.

Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

I might be confusing things, though. The documentation on this (on the wiki) is really bad.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on February 26, 2014, 10:03:55 PM
Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

Do you have data on the frequency of these transactions in mined blocks?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

Do you have data on the frequency of these transactions in mined blocks?

No. (One of the reasons why I said "I wouldn't expect..." rather than "I have data which shows...")


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 26, 2014, 10:11:24 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.
I'm confused about what you're saying. Either the transaction includes a fee or it doesn't, regardless of who relays the transaction.

Some no-fee transactions won't get relayed by the standard client, but still might get included by a miner.

Yeah, exactly.

Anth0ny seems to be saying that the majority of no-fee transactions are like that, but I'm not sure why he believes this.

Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

I might be confusing things, though. The documentation on this (on the wiki) is really bad.
Yes, but once that miner includes them in a block, they will be on blockchain.info unless there's something really wrong with their system.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 10:13:19 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.
I'm confused about what you're saying. Either the transaction includes a fee or it doesn't, regardless of who relays the transaction.

Some no-fee transactions won't get relayed by the standard client, but still might get included by a miner.

Yeah, exactly.

Anth0ny seems to be saying that the majority of no-fee transactions are like that, but I'm not sure why he believes this.

Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

I might be confusing things, though. The documentation on this (on the wiki) is really bad.
Yes, but once that miner includes them in a block, they will be on blockchain.info unless there's something really wrong with their system.

Once they're in a block they won't be in the unconfirmed transaction list, which is what un linked to.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 26, 2014, 10:15:29 PM
That being said, according to the transaction list of blockchain.info (https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions), there are really not a lot of transactions being sent with no fees.

Not that blockchain.info knows about. Since the best way to get no-fee transactions into a block is to send them directly to the miners, I wouldn't expect blockchain.info to know about many of them.
I'm confused about what you're saying. Either the transaction includes a fee or it doesn't, regardless of who relays the transaction.

Some no-fee transactions won't get relayed by the standard client, but still might get included by a miner.

Yeah, exactly.

Anth0ny seems to be saying that the majority of no-fee transactions are like that, but I'm not sure why he believes this.

Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

I might be confusing things, though. The documentation on this (on the wiki) is really bad.
Yes, but once that miner includes them in a block, they will be on blockchain.info unless there's something really wrong with their system.

The won't be in the unconfirmed transaction list, which is what un linked to.

I tried to find on blockchain.info a list of the latest confirmed transactions, but I have not found any. :(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 10:17:41 PM
I tried to find on blockchain.info a list of the latest confirmed transactions, but I have not found any. :(

Click on the latest block for the latest confirmed transactions. :)

But that's not going to give you a good sample, because it's all from a single miner.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 26, 2014, 10:21:48 PM
Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

I might be confusing things, though. The documentation on this (on the wiki) is really bad.

With my experience, I believe that feeless transactions are relayed, and are standart. (Blockchain.info reports that a feeless transaction I send is relayed all over the network very fast. Only when I sent a transaction to a universally "disliked" site, such as satoshidice, even with a fee, that my transaction would not relay.) However, there is currently a cap enforced on the size of blocks, thus on the amount of transactions a miner may put in it. Miners will of course put the transactions that gives them the most fee first, and if there is no place left for free transactions, well.. sorry!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 26, 2014, 10:23:55 PM
I tried to find on blockchain.info a list of the latest confirmed transactions, but I have not found any. :(

Click on the latest block for the latest confirmed transactions. :)

But that's not going to give you a good sample, because it's all from a single miner.

Exactly. I'd have prefered if they had a list of all the recent transactions, in bulk.

I guess it would not be to difficult to code a simple program to sweep through the blockchain and do an histogram of the distribution of fees for all the transactions over the last month, for transactions; but I have no time for such thing now.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 10:54:49 PM
Because no-fee transactions which aren't very high priority are non-standard, or not relayed, or whatever the term is.

I might be confusing things, though. The documentation on this (on the wiki) is really bad.

With my experience, I believe that feeless transactions are relayed, and are standart. (Blockchain.info reports that a feeless transaction I send is relayed all over the network very fast.

Any idea what the priority of it is? I believe the priority has to be at least 1 BTC-day to have a free transaction relayed by the standard client.

But if you can find something which says otherwise, please post it here, and I'll try to convince someone to update https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees and/or https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Free_transaction_relay_policy

However, there is currently a cap enforced on the size of blocks, thus on the amount of transactions a miner may put in it. Miners will of course put the transactions that gives them the most fee first, and if there is no place left for free transactions, well.. sorry!

The vast majority of blocks don't even come within 10% of that limit. Most miners leave out most free transactions even if there's room for them.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: aurel57 on February 26, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Do you limit the number of non-transaction fee transfers per block?
Yes, every miner does AFAIK.
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Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 26, 2014, 11:01:16 PM
Once they're in a block they won't be in the unconfirmed transaction list, which is what un linked to.
True, but blockchain.info still knows about them, and you can use it compile a list of them.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 26, 2014, 11:02:40 PM
Once they're in a block they won't be in the unconfirmed transaction list, which is what un linked to.
True, but blockchain.info still knows about them, and you can use it compile a list of them.

Or you could. :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on February 27, 2014, 12:49:15 AM
Once they're in a block they won't be in the unconfirmed transaction list, which is what un linked to.
True, but blockchain.info still knows about them, and you can use it compile a list of them.

Or you could. :)
Heh, but I don't care. ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on February 27, 2014, 03:13:08 AM
Stats update, Wiz?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: babaji.ca on February 27, 2014, 04:22:32 AM
this seems to be happening alot? Are you getting hacked alot? Cant be this many hardware failures.

not trying to be a smart ass or rude, just curious.

I love mining here, just seems to be somewhat of a 'rough patch' lately!


##### edit ######

fixed already, that was quick, i was expecting to having to hunker-down for a few days of 'faith based' mining (pun intended, a nod and a wink for luke ;D)





Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on February 27, 2014, 08:23:54 AM
It's probably the fact that Eligius is now well on the road to 7PH, when it was barely at 1PH a few months ago.  Something's gotta give with that speed. :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on February 28, 2014, 02:32:26 PM
Hi all,

The couple of stats fail-safes over the past few days (none of which lasted very long) were due to orphaned blocks which required human double checking (long period of time between mining and actual network-side reorg of the block).  One of several fail-safes that I'm working on writing code to eliminate the full need for a human double check.

As everyone knows by now, the pool continues to work as normal and your earnings are tracked as normal when these happen and even when the entire webserver is completely offline.  Any blocks found while in fail-safe mode generally do not have automated payouts however, because the system is in a state where it is unsure if those payouts would be correct until I give it the go ahead.

Its not a hardware failure or a hack or anything, its just a security measure put in place to make sure that the pool doesn't double-pay anyone.  It is much preferred that coins end up in the Eligius cold wallet then get manually paid out then for the pool double pay people and not have the funds to catch up.  Since Eligius pays from the coinbase/generation transaction generally, things need to be pretty precise on this side.

On another note, the frequency of which we find blocks has increased substantially.  This is causing a minor amount fail-safe blocks to pay the cold wallet without automatic payouts a bit more often due to all of the sanity checking I have in the CPPSRB code.  Sometimes it is not able to compile a new payout list for the next block before a miner actually finds a block.  So, the payout queue (and next manual payout) gets larger when the block pays the offline wallet instead of miners directly.  This isn't really an issue, and everyone is still paid and credited normally.  However I am going to work to optimize the code so that the next payout list can be ready and fully verified a bit faster so this happens less often.  Again, security related code in place here.  I prefer security over convenience in this case, especially when it comes to the amount of funds handled here.  I'd much rather manually pay everyone a little later, but correctly, than to have something not get verified and have even one person paid incorrectly.

Anyway, aside from these minor items, all is well on this end! :)

Happy mining,

-wk



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: jamesg on February 28, 2014, 02:39:52 PM
Anyway, aside from these minor items, all is well on this end! :)

Thanks for the explanations wizkid, they certainly help.

I'd like to sponsor development of specific features you have said are on the list so that they get higher priority. Just let me know what is the best way to communicate and we'll get something worked out.

Best,
James


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on February 28, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
As everyone knows by now, the pool continues to work as normal and your earnings are tracked as normal when these happen and even when the entire webserver is completely offline.  Any blocks found while in fail-safe mode generally do not have automated payouts however, because the system is in a state where it is unsure if those payouts would be correct until I give it the go ahead.

I thank you for all your hard work, wk.

My payment was only slightly delayed since yesterday and was successfully received about 5 hours ago.

I'd much prefer it to be correct and fair than hasty, inaccurate, and a detriment to the pool, so I appreciate all your efforts.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lowerjerzey on February 28, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
What the hell.  My estimated payout just dropped for no apparent reason.

I have 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/16YLp7hpDqKddUt24ykQRVmcULwoNzygKf

This guy also has 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/15W9p77Vk5hCy9s2NhdQZHZHgJDvpCy7ZR

We've both been running uninterrupted, but I'm getting screwed.

75% drop in estimated change after the last block.  I hit refresh and watched it drop from .004 to .001.  Now its hovering at .0024. WTF


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on February 28, 2014, 07:02:01 PM
What the hell.  My estimated payout just dropped for no apparent reason.

I have 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/16YLp7hpDqKddUt24ykQRVmcULwoNzygKf

This guy also has 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/15W9p77Vk5hCy9s2NhdQZHZHgJDvpCy7ZR

We've both been running uninterrupted, but I'm getting screwed.

I guess I'm confused. You have nearly identical unpaid balances and nearly identical most recent payments (yesterday).


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on February 28, 2014, 07:05:42 PM
What the hell.  My estimated payout just dropped for no apparent reason.

I have 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/16YLp7hpDqKddUt24ykQRVmcULwoNzygKf

This guy also has 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/15W9p77Vk5hCy9s2NhdQZHZHgJDvpCy7ZR

We've both been running uninterrupted, but I'm getting screwed.

75% drop in estimated change after the last block.  I hit refresh and watched it drop from .004 to .001.  Now its hovering at .0024. WTF
You weren't mining for nearly 24 hours a little bit ago. Most likely you're being paid up for the shares after that.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on February 28, 2014, 07:07:43 PM
What the hell.  My estimated payout just dropped for no apparent reason.

I have 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/16YLp7hpDqKddUt24ykQRVmcULwoNzygKf

This guy also has 5 antminers.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/15W9p77Vk5hCy9s2NhdQZHZHgJDvpCy7ZR

We've both been running uninterrupted, but I'm getting screwed.

75% drop in estimated change after the last block.  I hit refresh and watched it drop from .004 to .001.  Now its hovering at .0024. WTF

At a guess.. The diff just changed?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lowerjerzey on February 28, 2014, 07:25:47 PM
You weren't mining for nearly 24 hours a little bit ago. Most likely you're being paid up for the shares after that.

Not really following what that means but it slowly crept its way back.  It was a shock to see that drop.  First thing I did was check the total hashrate.  The first thing that popped into my head was that some huge mining farm just came online and pointed themselves to this pool.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on February 28, 2014, 07:45:17 PM
You weren't mining for nearly 24 hours a little bit ago. Most likely you're being paid up for the shares after that.

Not really following what that means but it slowly crept its way back.

Been lucky recently. The pool was paying people like me who haven't mined in days. :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on February 28, 2014, 08:08:49 PM
You weren't mining for nearly 24 hours a little bit ago. Most likely you're being paid up for the shares after that.

Not really following what that means but it slowly crept its way back.  It was a shock to see that drop.  First thing I did was check the total hashrate.  The first thing that popped into my head was that some huge mining farm just came online and pointed themselves to this pool.

A huge farm pointing itself to Eligius should not reduce any user's payout nor apparent hashrate. It should only reduce the variability.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fxkevin on February 28, 2014, 08:33:57 PM
The web site is down for me. 504 error.

Anyone else unable to load the site?

Cheers,


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: daddyfatsax on February 28, 2014, 08:43:14 PM
Same here. Probably took the website offline to update the stats page.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fxkevin on February 28, 2014, 08:46:40 PM
Makes sense. Wanted to be sure it wasn't a local network issue on my side.

Thanks for the post...

Cheers,


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: machinationus on February 28, 2014, 08:46:58 PM
The web site is down for me. 504 error.

Anyone else unable to load the site?

Cheers,

same here 502 Bad Gateway, he's fixing the software.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on February 28, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
Same here... any updates? 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on February 28, 2014, 10:03:40 PM
A huge farm pointing itself to Eligius should not reduce any user's payout nor apparent hashrate. It should only reduce the variability.

If that farm is new hardware coming online, it will definitely affect daily payout since the existing hardware is now a smaller percentage of the total hash rate.  This is going to be a crazy year for difficulty spikes, and it probably won't slow down until fall.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fxkevin on February 28, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
That is incorrect.

If the overall rate grows you are still compensated the same.

Easy example;

Day 1 - your the only miner in the pool with 1TH, you earn say 0.3 BTC per day and you own 100% of the hash rate.

Day 2 - now there are 4TH total, meaning you own 25% of the overall hash rate, BUT your 1TH still makes you the same 0.3 BTC per day

The only way this changes is when difficult jumps, as you would then earn less per day...

Cheers,


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baller1 on February 28, 2014, 10:22:46 PM
That is incorrect.

If the overall rate grows you are still compensated the same.

Easy example;

Day 1 - your the only miner in the pool with 1TH, you earn say 0.3 BTC per day and you own 100% of the hash rate.

Day 2 - now there are 4TH total, meaning you own 25% of the overall hash rate, BUT your 1TH still makes you the same 0.3 BTC per day

The only way this changes is when difficult jumps, as you would then earn less per day...

Cheers,
Of course on principle, but I believe there are variables, i've reported pool flux many a times already, as in, a 1PH behemoth pops on and all of a sudden my hash reporting goes bonkers, usually dropping.. It eventually stabilizes but this happens throughout the day now that KNC and others pool jump too.  (and that would be across the entire pool..) I'm assuming servers get overloaded no matter how much headroom you have. Until I'm told this can't happen. I'm believing it does.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fxkevin on February 28, 2014, 10:27:43 PM
Sure, this and many other factors can have a hidden effect, the point is, that the global hash rate does not effect your payout rate directly.

Cheers,


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on February 28, 2014, 10:45:10 PM
Hash rate drives difficulty.  Your potential earnings is based on your percentage of the total hash rate.  Do you have a small grace period before the next difficulty adjustment?  Yes.  But you're talking a matter of days, not weeks.  If you're trying to forecast your potential earnings, in the end the only thing that matters is the hash rate.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: daddyfatsax on March 01, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
Thanks Wiz for all your efforts.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on March 01, 2014, 03:02:04 AM
Pool has been increasing in hash rate with global hash rate which is good. means more frequent although slightly less payouts. In the long run it means the same.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 01, 2014, 04:18:11 AM
Pool has been increasing in hash rate with global hash rate which is good. means more frequent although slightly less payouts. In the long run it means the same.

No offense, but that's not correct.  The whole point of an adjusting difficulty level is to keep the mining rate semi-linear.  This means that the same number of BTC as mining rewards is being divvied up among a bigger pool of hashing power.  The only way your payout remains the same is if you increase your own hashing power in proportion to the global growth.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lowerjerzey on March 01, 2014, 05:31:36 AM
That is incorrect.

If the overall rate grows you are still compensated the same.

Easy example;

Day 1 - your the only miner in the pool with 1TH, you earn say 0.3 BTC per day and you own 100% of the hash rate.

Day 2 - now there are 4TH total, meaning you own 25% of the overall hash rate, BUT your 1TH still makes you the same 0.3 BTC per day

The only way this changes is when difficult jumps, as you would then earn less per day...

Cheers,

What you said is true, your daily payout should stay the same.  But, I'm talking about the estimate of how much I'm gonna get paid from the current block. That would decrease significantly if a lot of horsepower shows up.  But, the pool would knock out blocks faster.  My pay per block decreases but the frequency increases.  Balances out.  

That chunk of time in my graph when I wasn't mining eligius was because I jumped over to Benjamins, grabbed a crapload of them, then jumped back here when the difficulty doubled.  On the Benjamin pool that I was mining, I was 40% of the hashrate.  My estimate was ~40 Bennys per block and I got paid ~40 Bennys.  Then another guy joined the pool with 1Th/s.  My estimate was ~20, his was ~20 and we started knocking out blocks faster splitting my previous 40 payout.  Balanced.  Now, if a Benjamin could only reach $100 (it should, right, that's what a Benjamin is ;)), I made a lot of money in that 24 hours.  I can dream.

Anyways, I'm still perplexed why my estimate dropped 75% from around ~.004 to ~.001 then slowly crept back up.  A difficulty change shouldn't effect the estimate because it applies to everyone.  Everybody's estimate would stay the same, it would just take longer to solve the blocks.  Changes in the total hashrate should effect your estimate.  If everyone quit the pool except for me, my estimate would be 25, but I'd never solve one.  If the total rate doubled, my estimate would halve, but we'd be flying through blocks.  If it's back pay that effected my estimate, wouldn't the estimate be higher than .004?  current estimate + back pay.  Checking my graph around the time of the estimate drop, my hashrate did go down but not that significantly.  The 675 second line shows a dip starting at 23:15.  I definitely lost connection because all my miners rates were going down, but it was for only a very short period because the lowest it reached was 883Gh/s.  I've taken miners down for short periods, but it barely did anything to my estimate.

If I'm wrong about this stuff, please let me know.  


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 01, 2014, 05:46:17 AM
That is incorrect.

If the overall rate grows you are still compensated the same.

Easy example;

Day 1 - your the only miner in the pool with 1TH, you earn say 0.3 BTC per day and you own 100% of the hash rate.

Day 2 - now there are 4TH total, meaning you own 25% of the overall hash rate, BUT your 1TH still makes you the same 0.3 BTC per day

The only way this changes is when difficult jumps, as you would then earn less per day...

Cheers,

What you said is true, your daily payout should stay the same.  But, I'm talking about the estimate of how much I'm gonna get paid from the current block. That would decrease significantly if a lot of horsepower shows up.  But, the pool would knock out blocks faster.  My pay per block decreases but the frequency increases.  Balances out.  

That chunk of time in my graph when I wasn't mining eligius was because I jumped over to Benjamins, grabbed a crapload of them, then jumped back here when the difficulty doubled.  On the Benjamin pool that I was mining, I was 40% of the hashrate.  My estimate was ~40 Bennys per block and I got paid ~40 Bennys.  Then another guy joined the pool with 1Th/s.  My estimate was ~20, his was ~20 and we started knocking out blocks faster splitting my previous 40 payout.  Balanced.  Now, if a Benjamin could only reach $100 (it should, right, that's what a Benjamin is ;)), I made a lot of money in that 24 hours.  I can dream.

Anyways, I'm still perplexed why my estimate dropped 75% from around ~.004 to ~.001 then slowly crept back up.  A difficulty change shouldn't effect the estimate because it applies to everyone.  Everybody's estimate would stay the same, it would just take longer to solve the blocks.  Changes in the total hashrate should effect your estimate.  If everyone quit the pool except for me, my estimate would be 25, but I'd never solve one.  If the total rate doubled, my estimate would halve, but we'd be flying through blocks.  If it's back pay that effected my estimate, wouldn't the estimate be higher than .004?  current estimate + back pay.  Checking my graph around the time of the estimate drop, my hashrate did go down but not that significantly.  The 675 second line shows a dip starting at 23:15.  I definitely lost connection because all my miners rates were going down, but it was for only a very short period because the lowest it reached was 883Gh/s.  I've taken miners down for short periods, but it barely did anything to my estimate.

If I'm wrong about this stuff, please let me know.  

I was just guessing due to the timing of your post, like maybe you pulled the one up just before the change and loaded yours just after. I could very easily be completely wrong on that.

I have found from my side that everything but the three hour and twelve hour average are extremely variable, even though watching cgminer I see only maybe 2 to 3 percent variance over a short period. But the three hour is usually pretty close to what I observe, and the 12 is even closer. WK is on record as saying the stats page is a work in progress, so I attribute little random glitches to that, as long as the average evens out correctly. If it didn't correct itself, then I would be worried.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 01, 2014, 07:47:41 AM
That is incorrect.

If the overall rate grows you are still compensated the same.

Easy example;

Day 1 - your the only miner in the pool with 1TH, you earn say 0.3 BTC per day and you own 100% of the hash rate.

Day 2 - now there are 4TH total, meaning you own 25% of the overall hash rate, BUT your 1TH still makes you the same 0.3 BTC per day

The only way this changes is when difficult jumps, as you would then earn less per day...

Cheers,

What you said is true, your daily payout should stay the same.  But, I'm talking about the estimate of how much I'm gonna get paid from the current block. That would decrease significantly if a lot of horsepower shows up.  But, the pool would knock out blocks faster.  My pay per block decreases but the frequency increases.  Balances out.  

That chunk of time in my graph when I wasn't mining eligius was because I jumped over to Benjamins, grabbed a crapload of them, then jumped back here when the difficulty doubled.  On the Benjamin pool that I was mining, I was 40% of the hashrate.  My estimate was ~40 Bennys per block and I got paid ~40 Bennys.  Then another guy joined the pool with 1Th/s.  My estimate was ~20, his was ~20 and we started knocking out blocks faster splitting my previous 40 payout.  Balanced.  Now, if a Benjamin could only reach $100 (it should, right, that's what a Benjamin is ;)), I made a lot of money in that 24 hours.  I can dream.

Anyways, I'm still perplexed why my estimate dropped 75% from around ~.004 to ~.001 then slowly crept back up.  A difficulty change shouldn't effect the estimate because it applies to everyone.  Everybody's estimate would stay the same, it would just take longer to solve the blocks.  Changes in the total hashrate should effect your estimate.  If everyone quit the pool except for me, my estimate would be 25, but I'd never solve one.  If the total rate doubled, my estimate would halve, but we'd be flying through blocks.  If it's back pay that effected my estimate, wouldn't the estimate be higher than .004?  current estimate + back pay.  Checking my graph around the time of the estimate drop, my hashrate did go down but not that significantly.  The 675 second line shows a dip starting at 23:15.  I definitely lost connection because all my miners rates were going down, but it was for only a very short period because the lowest it reached was 883Gh/s.  I've taken miners down for short periods, but it barely did anything to my estimate.

If I'm wrong about this stuff, please let me know.  
AFAIK, your estimated earnings are calculated from the 3hr hashrate. If you've been offline for a while, that rate drops and takes 3 hours to creep back up again... that's why the projected earnings were so low and slowly increased as you were mining for longer.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on March 01, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
Is it my imagination or is the payment queue a bit backlogged?
It's 56 blocks long now and I don't seem to have progressed up it in the last day.
I seem to be stuck with 45 blocks above me.
 :(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 01, 2014, 04:24:50 PM
Is it my imagination or is the payment queue a bit backlogged?
It's 56 blocks long now and I don't seem to have progressed up it in the last day.
I seem to be stuck with 45 blocks above me.
 :(


Queue has grown a bit due to a bunch of minor fail safes and I havent had a chance to do another manual payout yet.  Should get that done soon.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on March 01, 2014, 04:42:22 PM
suddently lost about 2PH/s

this mob must of had a catastrophic failure http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X)

or they forgot to pay their internet provider bill ...  ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 01, 2014, 04:44:23 PM
suddently lost about 2PH/s

this mob must of had a catastrophic failure http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X)

or they forgot to pay their internet provider bill ...  ;D

More likely forgot to pay the electric bill :P


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on March 01, 2014, 05:23:25 PM
suddently lost about 2PH/s

this mob must of had a catastrophic failure http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X)

or they forgot to pay their internet provider bill ...  ;D

Maybe they are upgrading to a new 10MW supply?

Looks like 200TH/s just came back online.

I wonder how high they will go this time?  ::)



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lowerjerzey on March 01, 2014, 06:53:43 PM
AFAIK, your estimated earnings are calculated from the 3hr hashrate. If you've been offline for a while, that rate drops and takes 3 hours to creep back up again... that's why the projected earnings were so low and slowly increased as you were mining for longer.

I was already back for almost 2 days and my estimate was .004 then just dropped off for no apparent reason.   If it's based off the 3 hour rate than I should have seen no drop.  You can look at the graph at the time when I first posted.  My 3 hour hashrate didn't fluctuate at all. Why did my estimate?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: jamesg on March 01, 2014, 08:28:50 PM
Quote
1396.84411428 BTC are ahead in queue, but our payout is more than the remaining block reward of 3.15588572 BTC, putting this user's payout after a 56 block delay.

Seems there is a bit of a backlog for the payment queue. Anyway we can get a cold storage payout to clear things up?

Thanks,
James


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 01, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
Quote
1396.84411428 BTC are ahead in queue, but our payout is more than the remaining block reward of 3.15588572 BTC, putting this user's payout after a 56 block delay.

Seems there is a bit of a backlog for the payment queue. Anyway we can get a cold storage payout to clear things up?

Thanks,
James

Yes of course.  As mentioned a few posts earlier I just haven't had a moment to do it. I will be doing so this evening.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: jamesg on March 01, 2014, 09:14:19 PM
Yes of course.  As mentioned a few posts earlier I just haven't had a moment to do it. I will be doing so this evening.

Ahhhh.. sorry for not reading back. Seemed like a lot of chat about earnings.

Thanks wizkid.

Best,
James


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mc1225 on March 02, 2014, 01:29:15 AM
Was the minimum payout changed?  I am not getting the payout having 0.068 btc in balance.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MinerMiner49er on March 02, 2014, 02:38:51 AM
Eligius has about 800K in payouts.  Hopefully this isn't a Mt. Gox deal.  It has gone from 10 blocks to 56 quickly.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 02, 2014, 02:44:34 AM
WK already mentioned that he was going to do a manual payout later.  I assume that'll set things closer to what we're accustomed to.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 02, 2014, 03:05:17 AM
Eligius has about 800K in payouts.  Hopefully this isn't a Mt. Gox deal.  It has gone from 10 blocks to 56 quickly.

Yeah, unfortunately we keep all Eligius funds on Mtgox, so, no payouts today....

Oh wait. *takes off troll mask*

Just kidding, working on the manual payout now. :P


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 02, 2014, 03:44:00 AM

Yeah, unfortunately we keep all Eligius funds on Mtgox, so, no payouts today....


http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/46676834.jpg


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 02, 2014, 04:12:12 AM
Manual payouts done. 

I will try to keep them reigned in a bit better as I get more free time.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: thonglor on March 02, 2014, 07:03:15 AM
Great! Money arrived, thanks! :-)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ujka on March 02, 2014, 01:00:26 PM
suddently lost about 2PH/s

this mob must of had a catastrophic failure http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X)

or they forgot to pay their internet provider bill ...  ;D
Maybe they are upgrading to a new 10MW supply?
Looks like 200TH/s just came back online.
I wonder how high they will go this time?  ::)
Seems like they went solo.
Unknown portion of network hashrate has grown for 10% from two days ago for - was 13%, now 23% (on blockchain.info).


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on March 03, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
ouch we are down to less than 4000th :(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 04, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on March 04, 2014, 11:59:16 AM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 04, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?

Was just one. Just took a while to reorg


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bspurloc on March 04, 2014, 02:33:56 PM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?

Was just one. Just took a while to reorg

I am new to mining on Eligius so am calmly asking what happens in this situation...
I had a payout go out last night which seems to be resting on that Orphaned block and therefore I never got the pay out.
Will this be reissued?
2014-03-04 07:07:42 (G)   0.02713175 BTC
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 04, 2014, 04:42:06 PM
Yeah, unfortunately we keep all Eligius funds on Mtgox, so, no payouts today....

Oh wait. *takes off troll mask*

Just kidding, working on the manual payout now. :P

 :D :D

Gotta love the trolls.

Way to keep up the great work, wk.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 04, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?

Was just one. Just took a while to reorg

I am new to mining on Eligius so am calmly asking what happens in this situation...
I had a payout go out last night which seems to be resting on that Orphaned block and therefore I never got the pay out.
Will this be reissued?
2014-03-04 07:07:42 (G)   0.02713175 BTC
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67

Yes. Since the block that "payed" you got kicked out of the blockchain, then the payout "never" happened. So it should have been part of the next block payout instead.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bspurloc on March 04, 2014, 07:03:31 PM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?

Was just one. Just took a while to reorg

I am new to mining on Eligius so am calmly asking what happens in this situation...
I had a payout go out last night which seems to be resting on that Orphaned block and therefore I never got the pay out.
Will this be reissued?
2014-03-04 07:07:42 (G)   0.02713175 BTC
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67

Yes. Since the block that "payed" you got kicked out of the blockchain, then the payout "never" happened. So it should have been part of the next block payout instead.

Do you mean my next payout which is in 7 hours or the next payout from the Eligius payout cache?
As of now I still show no sign of this pay out coming to me.
thanks for your reply.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 04, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?

Was just one. Just took a while to reorg

I am new to mining on Eligius so am calmly asking what happens in this situation...
I had a payout go out last night which seems to be resting on that Orphaned block and therefore I never got the pay out.
Will this be reissued?
2014-03-04 07:07:42 (G)   0.02713175 BTC
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67

Yes. Since the block that "payed" you got kicked out of the blockchain, then the payout "never" happened. So it should have been part of the next block payout instead.

Do you mean my next payout which is in 7 hours or the next payout from the Eligius payout cache?
As of now I still show no sign of this pay out coming to me.
thanks for your reply.


It should have been part of the first valid block Eligius found immediately after the block was orphaned.
But to know more, I'd need to know your mining address.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bspurloc on March 04, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Boo... lost an orphan race last night that lasted a little while which triggered a fail-safe... :(

CPPSRB is catching up.

That's a pitty.
How many of our blocks got orphaned?

Was just one. Just took a while to reorg

I am new to mining on Eligius so am calmly asking what happens in this situation...
I had a payout go out last night which seems to be resting on that Orphaned block and therefore I never got the pay out.
Will this be reissued?
2014-03-04 07:07:42 (G)   0.02713175 BTC
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67

Yes. Since the block that "payed" you got kicked out of the blockchain, then the payout "never" happened. So it should have been part of the next block payout instead.

Do you mean my next payout which is in 7 hours or the next payout from the Eligius payout cache?
As of now I still show no sign of this pay out coming to me.
thanks for your reply.


It should have been part of the first valid block Eligius found immediately after the block was orphaned.
But to know more, I'd need to know your mining address.

Thanks I sent you a private message with my payout address and you can see blockchain shows no payout to me.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on March 04, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
Thanks I sent you a private message with my payout address and you can see blockchain shows no payout to me.

This seems to be true. I randomly clicked on some addresses that were paid out in the orphaned block, and most of them did not have another payout since the orphaned block.

https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67

E.g. 1KVviQoDmmFz2AyyFELkjZKzVvqGnEXAhj had a payout of 0.04246054 BTC in the orphaned block timestamped 2014-03-04 07:08:41, but their ledger shows no transactions since 2014-03-02.

https://blockchain.info/address/1KVviQoDmmFz2AyyFELkjZKzVvqGnEXAhj

(EDIT: Just to be clear, this address is not bspurloc's, or mine, or anybody's in particular, just a random one that I clicked on from the orphaned block.)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 04, 2014, 08:29:01 PM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bspurloc on March 04, 2014, 09:06:19 PM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.

Thanks being new to this pool I didnt know if it was common or not. I mostly Mine slush's pool which has major issues but slush always takes care of them as I sit back laughing at all the doomsday complaints on the forum


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on March 04, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.

Thanks being new to this pool I didnt know if it was common or not. I mostly Mine slush's pool which has major issues but slush always takes care of them as I sit back laughing at all the doomsday complaints on the forum

Yeah, no doubt you are in safe hands with wizkid and Eligius.  Despite the occasional complaints and trolling here, this is the best BTC pool by far IMHO.  I hadn't seen this particular issue come up before, which is the reason for my reply above.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 04, 2014, 10:07:31 PM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.

This is correct.  I'm actually waiting on CPPSRB to do a full re-verification of the share log due to another orphan race today. :(

Its taking a while because its quite a bit of data.  I'm eventually going to re-code this entire process to be more efficient, but haven't had the time. :(

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TracerX on March 04, 2014, 10:20:55 PM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.

This is correct.  I'm actually waiting on CPPSRB to do a full re-verification of the share log due to another orphan race today. :(

Its taking a while because its quite a bit of data.  I'm eventually going to re-code this entire process to be more efficient, but haven't had the time. :(

-wk

Thank you, sir--we appreciate the effort!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: praeluceo on March 04, 2014, 10:48:30 PM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.

This is correct.  I'm actually waiting on CPPSRB to do a full re-verification of the share log due to another orphan race today. :(

Its taking a while because its quite a bit of data.  I'm eventually going to re-code this entire process to be more efficient, but haven't had the time. :(

-wk

No worries, you do an amazing job managing this pool, I have nothing but praise for you and LukeJr. I am quite happy with how everything functions, and the occasional payout delay is way better than the alternative. In fact, I'd be willing to wait longer and skip the manual payout so I could receive a coinbase payout later. I like my "mining wallet" to be entirely mined coins, and no payments.
(;
Make that an option and I'd select it!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 04, 2014, 11:39:56 PM
Thanks I sent you a private message with my payout address and you can see blockchain shows no payout to me.

This seems to be true. I randomly clicked on some addresses that were paid out in the orphaned block, and most of them did not have another payout since the orphaned block.

https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000010bdfaf70e75e00b1cc6fe34ec45b5511d4d77eb906b0cb67

E.g. 1KVviQoDmmFz2AyyFELkjZKzVvqGnEXAhj had a payout of 0.04246054 BTC in the orphaned block timestamped 2014-03-04 07:08:41, but their ledger shows no transactions since 2014-03-02.

https://blockchain.info/address/1KVviQoDmmFz2AyyFELkjZKzVvqGnEXAhj

(EDIT: Just to be clear, this address is not bspurloc's, or mine, or anybody's in particular, just a random one that I clicked on from the orphaned block.)

Yeah apparently. But as it was explained later by wizkid, seems it is a "normal" thing. Which explains why the stats have been hung for a few hours.

But I join all the other in saying I trust Eligius, and it will be sorted out soon enough.



That being said, bspurloc, you don't have to be that secretive with your address! The address is public anyway, and nobody can change any of your settings with just that. In fact, it would have been better if you had posted it on the forum, because then another user might have seen it earlier than I and answered it my place.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fryarminer on March 05, 2014, 12:15:27 AM
Wizkid has posted previously that he does a bunch of manual checking after anomalies, so it's likely that we'll have to wait on his intervention to fix it. Luckily he's a pretty active pool op, so it should usually be pretty quick.

This is correct.  I'm actually waiting on CPPSRB to do a full re-verification of the share log due to another orphan race today. :(

Its taking a while because its quite a bit of data.  I'm eventually going to re-code this entire process to be more efficient, but haven't had the time. :(

-wk

No worries, you do an amazing job managing this pool, I have nothing but praise for you and LukeJr. I am quite happy with how everything functions, and the occasional payout delay is way better than the alternative. In fact, I'd be willing to wait longer and skip the manual payout so I could receive a coinbase payout later. I like my "mining wallet" to be entirely mined coins, and no payments.
(;
Make that an option and I'd select it!

I have a Casasius Bar with pure mined coins. Pretty sweet.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 05, 2014, 03:04:08 AM
Hi everyone,

I apologize for the delay in getting the reward system back online. 

Basically, it went into fail-safe moments after I went to sleep last night, and I didn't catch it until morning.  I told it to proceed in the morning, then while I was out for work another fail-safe triggered that I wasn't able to do anything about until I got home.  All together it put the reward system behind by about 16 hours and it has been playing catch up since having to process shares at several times real-time speed to keep up with the incoming shares and make headway on the backlog.

I did add some optimizations to this earlier, and they seem to be helping, but, it looks like its going to be several more hours before it is caught up to real time.  There also seems to be little I can do to further optimize the process since some quick profiling shows the code pretty much just grinding away in parts that just need to be the way they are to function.

Most likely I will be asleep by the time this catches up, so, when it does automated payouts will resume, but with a pretty big payout queue backlog.  Tomorrow night I will make sure to get a manual payout done to catch it up again.

Thanks everyone,

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: daddyfatsax on March 05, 2014, 03:06:03 AM
Thank you for your efforts, they are much appreciated!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 05, 2014, 03:06:09 AM
I'd be willing to wait longer and skip the manual payout so I could receive a coinbase payout later. I like my "mining wallet" to be entirely mined coins, and no payments.
(;
Make that an option and I'd select it!

This can be done now, manually.  Sign a message with your mining address requesting this and send the message + signature + address to me via a PM.  You can post it in the thread here if you like also, doesn't matter to me.  After I verify the signature I can add you to the "never manually pay" list.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: praeluceo on March 05, 2014, 04:11:54 AM
That's awesome! I'm mobile right now, so don't have my private key (and I doubt that my public key and Bitcointalk forum handle would be sufficient), but when I get home I'll do it!

I'd be willing to wait longer and skip the manual payout so I could receive a coinbase payout later. I like my "mining wallet" to be entirely mined coins, and no payments.
(;
Make that an option and I'd select it!

This can be done now, manually.  Sign a message with your mining address requesting this and send the message + signature + address to me via a PM.  You can post it in the thread here if you like also, doesn't matter to me.  After I verify the signature I can add you to the "never manually pay" list.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on March 05, 2014, 08:19:19 AM
That's awesome! I'm mobile right now, so don't have my private key (and I doubt that my public key and Bitcointalk forum handle would be sufficient), but when I get home I'll do it!

I'd be willing to wait longer and skip the manual payout so I could receive a coinbase payout later. I like my "mining wallet" to be entirely mined coins, and no payments.
(;
Make that an option and I'd select it!

This can be done now, manually.  Sign a message with your mining address requesting this and send the message + signature + address to me via a PM.  You can post it in the thread here if you like also, doesn't matter to me.  After I verify the signature I can add you to the "never manually pay" list.

-wk

Cool. I didn't know this was possible.
I also prefer to have those coinbase payouts.

Edit:
On the other hand sending that message removes anonymity for the payout address.
Maybe you could add this as an option on the control panel where we can defining the minimum payout and donations.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Slesh on March 05, 2014, 11:30:41 AM
Hi

 Now seems that is all OK (no red text). right?
 But I miss almost two days reward.
 I can see the same reward like I had before this issue.

 will the reward be also recalc?

thanks Slesh

EDIT: now, after few minutes is OK.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 05, 2014, 07:16:51 PM

E.g. 1KVviQoDmmFz2AyyFELkjZKzVvqGnEXAhj had a payout of 0.04246054 BTC in the orphaned block timestamped 2014-03-04 07:08:41, but their ledger shows no transactions since 2014-03-02.

https://blockchain.info/address/1KVviQoDmmFz2AyyFELkjZKzVvqGnEXAhj

(EDIT: Just to be clear, this address is not bspurloc's, or mine, or anybody's in particular, just a random one that I clicked on from the orphaned block.)

That's my address.  :o  Last payment I got was on the 2nd from Eligius (ignoring the one that's not matured yet from today).


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Threader on March 05, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Can you provide ETA on manual payout status?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 05, 2014, 09:29:30 PM
Can you provide ETA on manual payout status?

Im not wizkid, but unless the failsafe triggers again, I'm pretty sure that the next post he'll do here is to tell us manual payout have been done.

It should be done within 24 hours.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 05, 2014, 09:34:22 PM
Most likely I will be asleep by the time this catches up, so, when it does automated payouts will resume, but with a pretty big payout queue backlog.  Tomorrow night I will make sure to get a manual payout done to catch it up again.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Fastblack3 on March 06, 2014, 01:55:10 AM
AUTO-NOTICE: The CPPSRB reward system appears to be in fail-safe mode.
Some stats are likely not updating as they should right now (128/256 second hash rates, balances, balance graph, payout queue). These items will correct themselves soon when CPPSRB is out of fail safe mode. This can take several hours. No earnings are lost as long as your shares are accepted! Sorry for the inconvenience!


3 times in 3 days?

http://i.imgur.com/KzEIRzT.jpg


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 06, 2014, 01:56:40 AM
It happens, unfortunately.

This one should be a faster catch up, however.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 06, 2014, 02:15:12 AM
It happens, unfortunately.

This one should be a faster catch up, however.

You seem to suffer my kind of luck. Wouldn't really call it bad, since I should be dead several times over now, but it's definitely.... Weird. Things never work out like they seem they should.

I doubt if you really keep up with the small fry like me, but if you do, I'll be jumping in and out over the next few weeks. Nothing to do with Eligius, I'm trying my hand at some alts and only have one miner. When I mine bitcoin with my own equipment, it's here. The stats thing can get a bit annoying, but everything else about this pool is superiour in my arrogant opinion. And it always gets put straight.

Ya do good work, sir. Ignore the panicked people. They'll get over it or they won't.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on March 06, 2014, 02:27:27 AM
AUTO-NOTICE: The CPPSRB reward system appears to be in fail-safe mode.
Some stats are likely not updating as they should right now (128/256 second hash rates, balances, balance graph, payout queue). These items will correct themselves soon when CPPSRB is out of fail safe mode. This can take several hours. No earnings are lost as long as your shares are accepted! Sorry for the inconvenience!


3 times in 3 days?

http://i.imgur.com/KzEIRzT.jpg

This is one of Eligius's greatest advantages "Low Variance"  :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Mobius7 on March 06, 2014, 04:42:32 AM
AUTO-NOTICE: The CPPSRB reward system appears to be in fail-safe mode.
Some stats are likely not updating as they should right now (128/256 second hash rates, balances, balance graph, payout queue). These items will correct themselves soon when CPPSRB is out of fail safe mode. This can take several hours. No earnings are lost as long as your shares are accepted! Sorry for the inconvenience!


3 times in 3 days?

http://i.imgur.com/KzEIRzT.jpg

This is one of Eligius's greatest advantages "Low Variance"  :D

lol  ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: btmtb on March 06, 2014, 06:33:47 AM
I'm admittedly new to Eligius, having come from Slush and I'm hoping someone can educate me a little, I seem to have had a period of about half a day where I've been hashing fine but my balance of has not increased and is as low as if I'd not been hashing at all, I've attached pics of the relevant portions below. I've not registered any particularly high amount of rejects that I've noticed, but it did coincide with the CPPSRB failsafe mode trips, is there any connection? Is this normal occasional behaviour? (Am I just being stupid?) I'm not really concerned, more curious.
http://www.5az.com/misc/bitcointalkimgs/hashrate.gif http://www.5az.com/misc/bitcointalkimgs/balance.gif


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 06, 2014, 06:43:06 AM
I'm admittedly new to Eligius, having come from Slush and I'm hoping someone can educate me a little, I seem to have had a period of about half a day where I've been hashing fine but my balance of has not increased and is as low as if I'd not been hashing at all, I've attached pics of the relevant portions below. I've not registered any particularly high amount of rejects that I've noticed, but it did coincide with the CPPSRB failsafe mode trips, is there any connection? Is this normal occasional behaviour? (Am I just being stupid?) I'm not really concerned, more curious.
http://www.5az.com/misc/bitcointalkimgs/hashrate.gif http://www.5az.com/misc/bitcointalkimgs/balance.gif

You're not being stupid, it's a valid question. I'd keep track of it to be safe, but it will probably catch up as the database catches up. Generally when the thing goes in failsafe mode, the stats are hosed. Some work, some don't, none are accurate. A few minutes to a few hours after the warning goes away, everything seems to be square again. Basically, as long as you're getting accepted shares, the pool and payout are working correctly. When it gets way behind, like it is now, Wizkid does a manual payout at some point. Usually not a long wait, either.

I've never mined slush. I've heard good and bad about them, but not enough good to switch. I'm relatively new to mining, and had problems with several pools I tried. Two worked as advertised. BTCguild and Eligius. I like Wizkid and Eligius better, and I like that I can set my fee. (I'm not a mooch, so I DO donate).

In both instances, when there's a real problem the operators are right on it. The stats page getting hosed is more of an annoyance than a real problem in my arrogant opinion.

Welcome aboard.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 06, 2014, 08:32:09 AM
I'm admittedly new to Eligius, having come from Slush and I'm hoping someone can educate me a little, I seem to have had a period of about half a day where I've been hashing fine but my balance of has not increased and is as low as if I'd not been hashing at all, I've attached pics of the relevant portions below. I've not registered any particularly high amount of rejects that I've noticed, but it did coincide with the CPPSRB failsafe mode trips, is there any connection? Is this normal occasional behaviour? (Am I just being stupid?) I'm not really concerned, more curious.
http://www.5az.com/misc/bitcointalkimgs/hashrate.gif http://www.5az.com/misc/bitcointalkimgs/balance.gif


http://i.imgur.com/WgH0rgN.gif

Your balance is fine and corrected. The RED part was when stats were in failsafe and recovering. After stats catch up balance takes jump and autocorrects. Stats and payout are running in diffrent server, when there is a glitch stats stop to prevent wrong payouts. No earnings are lost as long as your miners are hashing away.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: btmtb on March 06, 2014, 11:45:06 AM
http://i.imgur.com/WgH0rgN.gif
Your balance is fine and corrected. The RED part was when stats were in failsafe and recovering. After stats catch up balance takes jump and autocorrects. Stats and payout are running in diffrent server, when there is a glitch stats stop to prevent wrong payouts. No earnings are lost as long as your miners are hashing away.

Bingo, thanks for pointing that out Sikke :) Doesn't get much more obvious than that. Also thanks for the headsup Biomech. I'm used to just seeing the rolling numbers, I'm just settling in with diligently watching the graphs instead of the columns, and the whole fail-safe mode was new to me. It does appear to be a very well managed and pro-active support by Wizkid and the rest of the users, thanks all!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mruiter on March 06, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
wizkid057.... Thanx for all you're hard work !!!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Fastblack3 on March 07, 2014, 03:15:30 AM
504 Gateway error. Down Again? :'( Now error 500 - Internal Server Error? :o


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biffa on March 07, 2014, 03:24:55 AM
504 Gateway error. Down Again? :'( Now error 500 - Internal Server Error? :o

Miners still mining though.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on March 07, 2014, 03:25:57 AM
504 Gateway error. Down Again? :'( Now error 500 - Internal Server Error? :o

Thats just the webserver that has the error.  My miners are still connected to eligius and hashing away, which is done on a different server.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biffa on March 07, 2014, 01:29:38 PM
Automatic payouts seem to be not working.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mc1225 on March 07, 2014, 01:48:52 PM
Automatic payouts seem to be not working.

right mine already 0.1 not paying out yet.  But I do expect it will come very soon


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 07, 2014, 02:18:41 PM
Eh, I think the payouts are working, though there may have been a glitch.  I entered the queue 30 blocks deep, and I'm now 15 blocks deep, so we're getting there.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 07, 2014, 02:25:36 PM
Eh, I think the payouts are working, though there may have been a glitch.  I entered the queue 30 blocks deep, and I'm now 15 blocks deep, so we're getting there.

Payouts are up and working. Payout queue just got huge untill some manual payouts are done. Queue is least +50 blocks deep, that is +1200BTC


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 07, 2014, 02:38:31 PM
Yup. I throttled myself back from 800gh to 300gh to do the payment a day thing and I'm behind 50 other blocks. Yes I will get paid, no question there, it's just basically a 14c payout window instead of a 4.

And I can't change my settings because my wallet is the Android one that doesn't have signature ability. I should fix that one of these days. But to be honest Eclipse had another pothole of bad luck these past few days so variance is the name of the game. :-)

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bizzyb on March 07, 2014, 04:56:08 PM
Hi WK, cheeky request please for a manual payout?  ;D
Many thanks
B


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 07, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
How long does 1 block take for payout? Is it about 45 minutes, 30 minutes, or 15minutes???


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 07, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
How long does 1 block take for payout? Is it about 45 minutes, 30 minutes, or 15minutes???
Well, that's the 25 BTC question, isn't it?

Depends heavily on luck. I've seen the pool do two blocks back to back in really short time, and I've seen it take several hours. Usually it's pretty quick, as Eligius has ~ 20 percent of the network.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 07, 2014, 07:15:37 PM
How long does 1 block take for payout? Is it about 45 minutes, 30 minutes, or 15minutes???
Well, that's the 25 BTC question, isn't it?

Depends heavily on luck. I've seen the pool do two blocks back to back in really short time, and I've seen it take several hours. Usually it's pretty quick, as Eligius has ~ 20 percent of the network.

Okay thanks for letting me know.  ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 07, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
How long does 1 block take for payout? Is it about 45 minutes, 30 minutes, or 15minutes???
Well, that's the 25 BTC question, isn't it?

Depends heavily on luck. I've seen the pool do two blocks back to back in really short time, and I've seen it take several hours. Usually it's pretty quick, as Eligius has ~ 20 percent of the network.

If we have 20% of the network, then it should be, on average, 50 minutes.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TechByPC on March 07, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
How long does 1 block take for payout? Is it about 45 minutes, 30 minutes, or 15minutes???
Well, that's the 25 BTC question, isn't it?

Depends heavily on luck. I've seen the pool do two blocks back to back in really short time, and I've seen it take several hours. Usually it's pretty quick, as Eligius has ~ 20 percent of the network.

If we have 20% of the network, then it should be, on average, 50 minutes.

On the page http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/ towards the bottom

Current network difficulty: 3815723798.8146
Current maximum PPS at this difficulty: 0.000000006552 BTC
Average time to find a block at 5,248.99 Th/s at this difficulty: 52 minutes
Average pool blocks per day at 5,248.99 Th/s at this difficulty: 27.675


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 07, 2014, 09:54:20 PM
1035.49634139 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 41 block delay.

*sigh*


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 07, 2014, 10:05:27 PM
1035.49634139 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 41 block delay.

*sigh*
Haha :o the que is up to 1400btc

1391.13304785 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 55 block delay.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: xstr8guy on March 07, 2014, 11:23:44 PM
1035.49634139 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 41 block delay.

*sigh*
Haha :o the que is up to 1400btc

1391.13304785 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 55 block delay.


And this is when a pool that charges a fee is nice.  ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on March 07, 2014, 11:31:01 PM
hopefully it is sent out soon its been a few days since I hit the threshold for my payment


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Unacceptable on March 08, 2014, 12:27:12 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 08, 2014, 12:33:51 AM
If anyone has an urgent need for a manual payout, I have something like 7 BTC in my hot wallet I can send from (and reconcile in the pool accounting).
But please only do this if it's urgent... otherwise it's probably best to just wait for wizkid057 to do it since he's more familiar with the current pool interfaces.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on March 08, 2014, 12:47:41 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)
If you need .03BTC loaned to you until you get your payout, I can send that to you without interest.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 08, 2014, 12:51:19 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Pool has lost +200TH today maybe some people got scared.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 08, 2014, 01:20:05 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Your point? That's the same as at any pool.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 08, 2014, 01:26:46 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Your point? That's the same as at any pool.


I think he's saying he's that much short in his wallet, and waiting on a payout.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Unacceptable on March 08, 2014, 06:52:48 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Your point? That's the same as at any pool.


I think he's saying he's that much short in his wallet, and waiting on a payout.

Yep......waited 3 days for .25BTC..........& here we go again..............1353.60435048 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 54 block delay.......................this is crazy................... ::)

If you need to charge fees to fix this,so be it,otherwise I'm done.I can't keep waiting for my payout  :(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 08, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Your point? That's the same as at any pool.


I think he's saying he's that much short in his wallet, and waiting on a payout.

Yep......waited 3 days for .25BTC..........& here we go again..............1353.60435048 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 54 block delay.......................this is crazy................... ::)

If you need to charge fees to fix this,so be it,otherwise I'm done.I can't keep waiting for my payout  :(

get on a DGM pool. /sarcasm.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Unacceptable on March 08, 2014, 11:11:38 AM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Your point? That's the same as at any pool.


I think he's saying he's that much short in his wallet, and waiting on a payout.

Yep......waited 3 days for .25BTC..........& here we go again..............1353.60435048 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 54 block delay.......................this is crazy................... ::)

If you need to charge fees to fix this,so be it,otherwise I'm done.I can't keep waiting for my payout  :(

get on a DGM pool. /sarcasm.

Just gone to a pool with fees,it was fun while it worked  :D  If they fix this issue I may come back,but I need my payout on a regular basis,not only when the pool is working.

Thanks for the offer AbiTxGroup ,but....I shouldn't have to wait for what I've earned........................................

Thanks for your hard work wizkid057  ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 08, 2014, 12:03:41 PM

1431.25145709 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 57 block delay.

Is it me or is this thing growing.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 08, 2014, 03:05:19 PM
Yeah,this is my only issue with this pool  :'(  Kinda sucks being .03BTC short of buying another miner & you can't do anything but wait............... ::)

Your point? That's the same as at any pool.


I think he's saying he's that much short in his wallet, and waiting on a payout.

Yep......waited 3 days for .25BTC..........& here we go again..............1353.60435048 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 54 block delay.......................this is crazy................... ::)

If you need to charge fees to fix this,so be it,otherwise I'm done.I can't keep waiting for my payout  :(

You'll get similar variance on a fee paying PPLNS or DGM pool.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: not.you on March 08, 2014, 03:23:07 PM

1431.25145709 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 57 block delay.

Is it me or is this thing growing.

Yesterday mine seemed to get pushed out of the queue after having been in.  It went from so many blocks ahead to you have 0.00000000 to enter the queue.  Now I am looking at more than a double my usual payout whenever it gets paid.  No worries for me though.  I would be hodling in my wallet so I don't mind hodling it in the pool for a bit.  Besides, as someone who has one of those jobs where you are never really "off" I sympathize with WK's position.  Everyone deserves the opportunity to ignore non-emergencies for a few days in a row once in a while.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: azdarknet on March 08, 2014, 03:26:58 PM


 Everyone deserves the opportunity to ignore non-emergencies for a few days in a row once in a while.

QFT!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on March 08, 2014, 04:13:10 PM
so looks like my payment will finally come its in the 30s in queue just took an extra 3 days :/. So on average about 5 days to get payouts not terrible but definitely not convenient.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: tm4 on March 08, 2014, 06:30:32 PM
I'm in some agreement that I would like a payout in less than the 10 days I have been waiting, still waiting. I am just trying this pool right now, and the delay is a bit strange.

Is there a post that explains in simple yet complete terms why it works this way? I don't completely get it from reading the faq. -maybe a better answer is available.

Overall I'm happy with the pool but what I am saying is that apparently the coins are there so why are we waiting for them?
It stops me from bringing my other miners here, for now.

Someone's probably explained the delay issue very well, a good business reason for the delay, but searching didn't seem to pinpoint that post.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 08, 2014, 08:11:05 PM
I'm in some agreement that I would like a payout in less than the 10 days I have been waiting, still waiting. I am just trying this pool right now, and the delay is a bit strange.

Is there a post that explains in simple yet complete terms why it works this way? I don't completely get it from reading the faq. -maybe a better answer is available.

Overall I'm happy with the pool but what I am saying is that apparently the coins are there so why are we waiting for them?
It stops me from bringing my other miners here, for now.

Someone's probably explained the delay issue very well, a good business reason for the delay, but searching didn't seem to pinpoint that post.

The whole point of Eligius is that it does hold the coins itself. The miners are payed directly from the generation transaction when the block is mined. Since the pool never holds the coin, then it can't steal them from you, nor can they be stolen if the pool is hacked.

That does come with a few constraints though. First, it can only pay out when it does find a block, contrarely to other pools. Secondly, coins from the generation transaction must mature for 120 blocks before they can be used.

Occasionnally, the pool encounters a situation when it cannot accurately determine who gets to be payed by the next block. (For example, a blocks gets orphaned). In those situations, the pool prefers to default sending the coins to an offline wallet controled by the pool operstor, instead of stopping mining altogether. Essentially, in those cases, the pool "reverts" to a "regular" pool, where you must trust the operater it'll send the money to you.

When the pool is in failsafe mode, the users still earn reward though. But they are not getting payed by the generation transaction as they should. So the payout queue builds up. When the pool leaves failsafe, it will resume payout with that queue, which is now huge. So a delay is to be expected, since it always pays those who have not been payed for the longest first, whatever is the "owed" amount.

Now, at that point, all the coins earned while the failsafe have not been sent to the user. The pool operator must manually initiate that payment, since the wallet is offline.

Now we were unlucky last week because failsafe was triggered 3 times, one of which lasted for a whole day. So a lot of money is due to be sent when wizkid will get to it. He likes to check the payment first before sending them to be sure there is no mistake.

When will he do it? I really don't know. He usually does manual payments once a week. It nothing urgent; the pool does work presently, and waiting for 3 days for some money will not kill anybody. But I fully trust he will eventually get to it: two months ago, the pool had a major failure in which the website was down for a whole week. During that time tens of thousands of BTC were sent to the offline wallet, and nobody was getting payed. He could have run with a shitload of money and nobody could have done anything about it. Yet, the website came back online, and everybody got payed in full. So a delay of a few days does not worry me at all.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ChipGeek on March 08, 2014, 08:16:43 PM
When will he do it? I really don't know. He usually does manual payments once a week. It nothing urgent; the pool does work presently, and waiting for 3 days for some money will not kill anybody. But I fully trust he will eventually get to it: two months ago, the pool had a major failure in which the website was down for a whole week. During that time tens of thousands of BTC were sent to the offline wallet, and nobody was getting payed. He could have run with a shitload of money and nobody could have done anything about it. Yet, the website came back online, and everybody got payed in full. So a delay of a few days does not worry me at all.
+1.  Despite the "I want my coinz now!" stuff (ME included!  ;D ), this is the best pool I've used.  Yes it has problems occasionally, but I always get my BTC in the end.

Keep up the good work wizkid.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 09, 2014, 02:48:27 AM
OK, this is my first post to Bitcointalk and it has to be a complaint.  <sigh>

Wizards of Eligius: Wizkid057, Luke JR., et al;

Please forgive me if this question has been addressed elsewhere.

As a datacenter engineer and networking engineer myself, I, like most everyone in these chats that has the presence of mind to consider the vagaries of technology, love the pool you've created and appreciate your (sometimes Herculean) efforts to keep it all together as things grow and evolve.  In addition to you having a full time job!!  I can tolerate a LOT of idiosyncrasies and speed bumps along the way... even fail-safe mode

However... The delay to payout has gotten MUCH worse since Multipool was added on 3/7/14.  I understand and appreciate that every gigahash added to the pool (or terahash in this case) makes for bigger payouts for everyone, or it wouldn't be worth doing pools.  But, it doesn't do us any good if we don't get the payouts.  Isn't there something that can be done to get payouts quicker under these new conditions?

Over the last two weeks, my wait has gone from one day to two days then, after Multipool was added, I'm on my sixth day and there is still 23 blocks ahead of me.  And, unless I'm mistaken, it also looks like the blocks ahead of me goes up sometimes.  It's hard to keep track across several days.  It's not a queue if one can get bumped backward.

Lastly, with all the concerns about hot wallet security lately, I'd like to have my BTC in >MY< cold wallet sooner than later.

So basically  ???  can anything be done about this payout delay, even a little?

As always, I appreciate your efforts and the gem of a pool you've created.

Keep up the good work!

Todays Gandalf

P. S. What are orphan blocks why/how do they occur?

[edit] I found the answer to this question at https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks (https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks)

Almost every orphaned block I examined had been submitted by ghash.io.  Another reason to consider them evil.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 09, 2014, 03:25:14 AM
<snip> ... The delay to payout has gotten MUCH worse since Multipool was added on 3/7/14.  I understand and appreciate that every gigahash added to the pool (or terahash in this case) makes for bigger payouts for everyone, or it wouldn't be worth doing pools.  But, it doesn't do us any good if we don't get the payouts.  Isn't there something that can be done to get payouts quicker under these new conditions?

Over the last two weeks, my wait has gone from one day to two days then, after Multipool was added, I'm on my sixth day and there is still 23 blocks ahead of me. .... <snip>

I'm going to sound stupid for asking, but what's "multipool"? I can't find it on Eligius' website (after a brief check). Has Eligius followed BTCGuild's lead and created a "scryptguild" type multi-scrypt coin mining pool?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 09, 2014, 03:26:57 AM
However... The delay to payout has gotten MUCH worse since Multipool was added on 3/7/14.  I understand and appreciate that every gigahash added to the pool (or terahash in this case) makes for bigger payouts for everyone, or it wouldn't be worth doing pools.  But, it doesn't do us any good if we don't get the payouts.  Isn't there something that can be done to get payouts quicker under these new conditions?
The gigahash added to the pool doenst increase payout for anybody. It does, however, reduce the variability in the payouts. In other words, you get smaller, but more frequent rewards.

Over the last two weeks, my wait has gone from one day to two days then, after Multipool was added, I'm on my sixth day and there is still 23 blocks ahead of me.
The queue is not due to the incresase of the hashrate per se, but because of the failsafe mode in which the pool does not send rewards to miners, so the queue grows. When wizkid will a manual payment with the coins that were mined during the failsafe, the queue will shrink back to 2-3 blocks.

That being said, maybe the increase of hashrate makes the pool more unstable and has increased the likelyhood of triggering the failsafe. I don't know.

And, unless I'm mistaken, it also looks like the blocks ahead of me goes up sometimes.  It's hard to keep track across several days.  It's not a queue if one can get bumped backward.

The queue is always ordered by how long it has been when you recieved your last payment, so thant one that has not been payed the longest gets payed first. But miners are not added to the queue unless they are to be payed a minimum amount. Small miners cross their payment treshold only about once a week, whereas big miners may cross their treshold multiple times a day. So when a small miner crosses his treshold, he bumbs back a fast miner to be payed in priority. But in the end everybody gets their money.

Lastly, with all the concerns about hot wallet security lately, I'd like to have my BTC in >MY< cold wallet sooner than later.

Eligius DOES NOT have a hot wallet. It's one of it's main security feature. Miners are payed directly from the generation transaction, so the pool never handles any money directly. So even if the pool is compromised, the hacker cannot steal any money. The worst they could do is (potentially) divert the newly mined coins elsewhere, but it would be easily spotted by miners since payout would stop, and they would divert their hashpowerelsewhere until the problem is fixed.

That being said, if the failsafe is triggered, the coins are sent to the COLD WALLET instead, from which wizkid will manually initiate a payout like I said earlier. So the coins are never in a hot wallet, so they are safe. But I understand your desire to hold them the earliest you can, it should be done soon enough. As I said in my precedent post, I trust wizkid he will not steal the money. But that's me.

P. S. What are orphan blocks why/how do they occur?

If two different pools find a block at the same time, both are equally valid for the blockchain. But when a block will be found over one of those two blocks, then that chain becomes the main chain, and the other block is said to be orphaned. The reward that was in that block is lost forever/cannot be used for any payment, it's like it had never been sent. So when an Eligius block is orphaned, Eligius credits back the reward to those who were payed out in that block, because it doens't exist in the blockchain anymore. It happens occasionally, it is normal and expected behavior of the blockchain.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 09, 2014, 03:29:44 AM
I'm going to sound stupid for asking, but what's "multipool"? I can't find it on Eligius' website (after a brief check). Has Eligius followed BTCGuild's lead and created a "scryptguild" type multi-scrypt coin mining pool?

I believe (but I don't know for sure) that one of the biggest SHA-256 coin-switching pool decided to send their hashpower to Eligius when it determines BTC is the most profitable coin to mine. And most of the time, BTC is indeed the most profitable SHA-256 coin to mine. But it's only a guess.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Threader on March 09, 2014, 03:39:30 AM
Most likely I will be asleep by the time this catches up, so, when it does automated payouts will resume, but with a pretty big payout queue backlog.  Tomorrow night I will make sure to get a manual payout done to catch it up again.

So what ever happened to the foretold manual payout?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 09, 2014, 03:48:04 AM
I'm going to sound stupid for asking, but what's "multipool"? I can't find it on Eligius' website (after a brief check). Has Eligius followed BTCGuild's lead and created a "scryptguild" type multi-scrypt coin mining pool?

I believe (but I don't know for sure) that one of the biggest SHA-256 coin-switching pool decided to send their hashpower to Eligius when it determines BTC is the most profitable coin to mine. And most of the time, BTC is indeed the most profitable SHA-256 coin to mine. But it's only a guess.

Ah, thank you. I do so hate to miss out on gossip! :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 09, 2014, 04:30:34 AM
No gossip about it, it's a fact that I stumbled across completely by accident.
See the news here: https://www.multipool.us/ (https://www.multipool.us/)

multipool.us is now using Eligius as their BTC pool of preference.

My other though is we may just be getting past the tremendous uptick in activity brought on by that change and the pool will level out later.  TBD I guess.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 09, 2014, 04:36:40 AM
Most likely I will be asleep by the time this catches up, so, when it does automated payouts will resume, but with a pretty big payout queue backlog.  Tomorrow night I will make sure to get a manual payout done to catch it up again.

So what ever happened to the foretold manual payout?

As far as I know, it has not been done yet. No idea why.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 09, 2014, 04:59:55 AM
Hey organofcorti!  Maybe Multipool.us will replace the sizable loss of terahashes from Eligius caused when the KnCminer pool got fickle and left Eligius to go solo... again.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 09, 2014, 05:23:12 AM
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/topcontributors.php

Multipool isn't even in the top 30 of contributers and is only 0.22% of the total pool hashrate. I'd be shocked if multipool made any difference at all.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 09, 2014, 07:47:47 AM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 09, 2014, 07:49:24 AM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?

It's one of KNCMiner's addresses.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 09, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?

It's one of KNCMiner's addresses.
I thought that one was Bitmain?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 09, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?

It's one of KNCMiner's addresses.
I thought that one was Bitmain?

I suppose it's possible -  do you have a source?

I assumed that since coins from 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX get combined with 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X and then paid elsewhere (https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX) that they belong together - and AFAIK KNC own 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 09, 2014, 01:14:43 PM

1431.25145709 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 57 block delay.

Is it me or is this thing growing.

1536.49292671 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 61 block delay.

+100btc since yesterday. Why the que gets bigger.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: torusJKL on March 09, 2014, 02:23:37 PM

1431.25145709 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 57 block delay.

Is it me or is this thing growing.

1536.49292671 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 61 block delay.

+100btc since yesterday. Why the que gets bigger.

I would guess that some older shares where added to the top of the queue thus you got pushed down.
As soon as wizkid is doing the manual payout this should normalize.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 09, 2014, 02:57:58 PM
Hey organofcorti!  Maybe Multipool.us will replace the sizable loss of terahashes from Eligius caused when the KnCminer pool got fickle and left Eligius to go solo... again.

I really wish some big farms would run p2pool. p2pool needs the hash rate. :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on March 09, 2014, 03:27:28 PM
so looks like my payment will finally come its in the 30s in queue just took an extra 3 days :/. So on average about 5 days to get payouts not terrible but definitely not convenient.

Not typical. There were some malfunctions last week that slowed down payments. Under normal conditions I've gotten daily payments.  Some of the big miners get many payments per day.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on March 09, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
so looks like my payment will finally come its in the 30s in queue just took an extra 3 days :/. So on average about 5 days to get payouts not terrible but definitely not convenient.

Not typical. There were some malfunctions last week that slowed down payments. Under normal conditions I've gotten daily payments.  Some of the big miners get many payments per day.



I know its not typical I have been using this service for a bout a month and its been fine. I am just saying for this specific payout period its been about that time


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 09, 2014, 05:01:22 PM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?

It's one of KNCMiner's addresses.
I thought that one was Bitmain?

I suppose it's possible -  do you have a source?

I assumed that since coins from 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX get combined with 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X and then paid elsewhere (https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX) that they belong together - and AFAIK KNC own 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X.



Earlier in this thread, someone had said that the address that had sex in it was Bitmain. I have no other source, thus the question mark :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 09, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?

It's one of KNCMiner's addresses.
I thought that one was Bitmain?

I suppose it's possible -  do you have a source?

I assumed that since coins from 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX get combined with 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X and then paid elsewhere (https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX) that they belong together - and AFAIK KNC own 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X.



Earlier in this thread, someone had said that the address that had sex in it was Bitmain. I have no other source, thus the question mark :)

I had to check if I really had read "the address that had sex in it". Thanks for my first morning chuckle!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 09, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
OK, I see that.  Then, I wonder, who in the world is 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX at 990TH/18.77%?

It's one of KNCMiner's addresses.
I thought that one was Bitmain?

I suppose it's possible -  do you have a source?

I assumed that since coins from 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX get combined with 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X and then paid elsewhere (https://blockchain.info/address/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX) that they belong together - and AFAIK KNC own 1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X.



Earlier in this thread, someone had said that the address that had sex in it was Bitmain. I have no other source, thus the question mark :)

I had to check if I really had read "the address that had sex in it". Thanks for my first morning chuckle!
No doubt! That's why I remembered it :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 09, 2014, 07:01:12 PM
The delays are caused by bugs or potential bugs.

In some cases, buggy miners (eg, cgminer on KnCMiner hardware) cannot handle generating payouts directly to miners.
This can really only be fixed by miners switching to other software.

In other cases (such as the current situation), a not-well-tested code path needs to run to continue generation, and required a human to carefully make sure it was doing so correctly.
This needs to be fixed on the pool side after careful code review to ensure it always works safely and never overpays.
Unfortunately, that itself takes human time, so hasn't happened yet.

The delay itself, after either of these occur, is due to security precautions to keep the offline wallet safe: it isn't easy to access, and requires wizkid057 and myself both at home.
This process is intentionally difficult to ensure the funds cannot be stolen.
I am away from home until March 15th (it is very rare I am away this long).
To try to improve this situation in the future (and address the "bus factor"), the plan is to make it so publicly-unknown third-parties can substitute for either wizkid057 or myself.
This too, however, takes development/human time, especially to ensure bitcoins don't get lost or compromised in the process.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 09, 2014, 07:16:41 PM
I am away from home until March 15th (it is very rare I am away this long).

Does this mean we can expect manual payouts to happen somewhere next weekend or after.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 09, 2014, 07:48:51 PM
I am away from home until March 15th (it is very rare I am away this long).

Does this mean we can expect manual payouts to happen somewhere next weekend or after.
As long as wizkid057 doesn't have plans to be away, there should be a big manual payout on the 16th.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 09, 2014, 10:56:44 PM
As long as wizkid057 doesn't have plans to be away, there should be a big manual payout on the 16th.
Because death and disaster was one of my roles, is there a fail-back plan in the event that either you or WK get eaten by a lion?

Things happen. Also I hate to say it, but you guys should really be charging for your time if this is anything more than a sheer hobby/jake. I used to fix things for free, then people really started to burn me out and saw no value in what I did. Which kept other people from learning how to do it and ultimately led to a collapse of knowledge (why bother learning when it's free).

Thus why I charge to fix miners, watches, clocks, broken hearts. It sets a baseline for expectations and allows other people to come in and undercut my ass (which they do, which is the WHOLE POINT from my view). End result is that knowledge is maintained because people value it. Or not in which case it was a waste of time to try and save it anyway.

There you go. I'm spreading my little bitty miner power between eligus and eclipse these days. It's only a terrahash built up out of a lot of turbocharged BFG stuff, but it's something. And yeah eclipse is maddening when it goes 30 hours for a 2.8 cent payment due to crap luck, but that is the nature o' luck. It all evens out in the end.

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 10, 2014, 12:35:43 AM
Most likely I will be asleep by the time this catches up, so, when it does automated payouts will resume, but with a pretty big payout queue backlog.  Tomorrow night I will make sure to get a manual payout done to catch it up again.

So what ever happened to the foretold manual payout?

As partly explained by Luke-Jr, this is a combination of things.  Most notably Luke's extended travel, and my own personal unexpected family related travel have impacted my ability to do the large manual payout securely.  nothing is compromised or lost, jut not securely accessible at the moment.

I've set things up so that in the meantime I've put 100% of my own coins into paying down the queue, and have set it up so that the majority of any new failsafe coins go to my own offline wallet (instead of the one that is not easily accessible with Luke and myself away from home).  This will let me make sure the queue doesn't grow any further (beyond the maturity time of any failsafe blocks anyway).

While I apologize for the delay, I feel much more comfortable making sure that the payout is done through normal channels with full security, rather than attempting anything to do so otherwise.

In any case, the payout queue being long does not stop payouts.  It effectively delays payouts by an unspecified amount of time which is roughly equal to the number of days the that the person at the bottom of the first block in queue has waited (currently 3-4 days).  So, everyone will be paid, it just takes a little longer while the queue is long pending a manual payout.

Thanks for everyone's patience.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 10, 2014, 03:36:12 AM
Worked out a secure way to do a manual payout.

Majority of queue was paid, minus some blocks that are not yet confirmed.  Stats should reflect this shortly.

278.49192020 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 8ff569995ff56632309fcf968d2a30beda1140ede49f4460783a35f1b2f791b3
50.12648701 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 2b24410cc1dab9f3b4f1de9937e627a98b56838f563ff4827f01890731ea3200
125.06159973 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 0bb57f6e38012c86d4c5a28c904f2675082859147921a707d48961015a3e5057
964.90392745 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx dbab1c84db23abc33c2c89a650b23e2996e14e5876334d083f7281b62e3ef898

I will do another when more coins mature to 120+ confirms.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 10, 2014, 03:43:40 AM
Worked out a secure way to do a manual payout.

Majority of queue was paid, minus some blocks that are not yet confirmed.  Stats should reflect this shortly.

278.49192020 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 8ff569995ff56632309fcf968d2a30beda1140ede49f4460783a35f1b2f791b3
50.12648701 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 2b24410cc1dab9f3b4f1de9937e627a98b56838f563ff4827f01890731ea3200
125.06159973 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 0bb57f6e38012c86d4c5a28c904f2675082859147921a707d48961015a3e5057
964.90392745 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx dbab1c84db23abc33c2c89a650b23e2996e14e5876334d083f7281b62e3ef898

I will do another when more coins mature to 120+ confirms.
....And again Wizkid comes through, above and beyond the call of duty.  I am so glad I chose to pay a fee to this pool :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 10, 2014, 05:13:25 AM
I'm glad my comments stirred such constructive discussion!

I took the opportunity during this payout glitch to take 18 hours of miner time and get me some MAZA coins.  Hopefully it will be worth something someday soon.  heh heh

Yes, I agree, you two need to account for the "bus scenario" and designate a procedural "fail-safe mode" to handle the unavailability of the humans.  An unfortunate side effect of creating a really good thing, of any type... is people start to rely on it to perform without fail.

I used to work for BNSF railroad.  I use their mainframe IT disaster planning as a template for all DR comparison.  They had a hot-site leased on the east coast.  In 24 hours they could have the railroad data processing back up and trains running.  They even went so far as to have designated 24 people for the DR responsibilities, with two people covering each skill set.  When they flew out to the east cost they divided up the skill sets such that 12 people went on one airline to one airport and 12 people went on another airline to a different airport.  The critical data was replicated on tape cartridges and sent with each group.  (This was 1992 folks, the Internet was still a research toy.)  If one plane went down or was diverted, the remaining 12 could perform recovery by themselves.  This drill was perform every year.  Now that's DR planning!

I'm turning on a 1% donation level, which I had set to <blush> zero.   :'(  You guys need to be able to run this thing as a business, not a hobby.  I advise others to support what we value and do the same.  I'd rather have the choice to pay 1% than to have it imposed.

Thanks again for doing a stellar job managing this albatross around your collective necks called a mining pool!

It might be a bumpy ride, but you've always come through in the end!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: cccminer on March 10, 2014, 06:01:35 AM
Worked out a secure way to do a manual payout.

Majority of queue was paid, minus some blocks that are not yet confirmed.  Stats should reflect this shortly.

278.49192020 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 8ff569995ff56632309fcf968d2a30beda1140ede49f4460783a35f1b2f791b3
50.12648701 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 2b24410cc1dab9f3b4f1de9937e627a98b56838f563ff4827f01890731ea3200
125.06159973 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 0bb57f6e38012c86d4c5a28c904f2675082859147921a707d48961015a3e5057
964.90392745 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx dbab1c84db23abc33c2c89a650b23e2996e14e5876334d083f7281b62e3ef898

I will do another when more coins mature to 120+ confirms.


Close to a $1 million in payouts.

How many CEO's do we know that run a $250 million dollar business in his spare time on tips?

You guys should charge and hire a profession staff.   

My hat is off to you though.  There are very very few people in this world that would work 12 hour days handling that massive amount of money for almost zero pay, and NOT be tempted to skim some.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 10, 2014, 08:11:42 AM
Ooops, failsafe.  And so it begins, again.   :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 10, 2014, 12:22:25 PM
Ooops, failsafe.  And so it begins, again.   :D

Definitely working on this code more when I get home. :(

Anyway, caught it already and CPPSRB is catching up.  As soon as funds mature they're out to you guys.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Cheeseater on March 10, 2014, 12:25:48 PM
Worked out a secure way to do a manual payout.

Majority of queue was paid, minus some blocks that are not yet confirmed.  Stats should reflect this shortly.

278.49192020 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 8ff569995ff56632309fcf968d2a30beda1140ede49f4460783a35f1b2f791b3
50.12648701 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 2b24410cc1dab9f3b4f1de9937e627a98b56838f563ff4827f01890731ea3200
125.06159973 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 0bb57f6e38012c86d4c5a28c904f2675082859147921a707d48961015a3e5057
964.90392745 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx dbab1c84db23abc33c2c89a650b23e2996e14e5876334d083f7281b62e3ef898

I will do another when more coins mature to 120+ confirms.


Close to a $1 million in payouts.

How many CEO's do we know that run a $250 million dollar business in his spare time on tips?

You guys should charge and hire a profession staff.   

My hat is off to you though.  There are very very few people in this world that would work 12 hour days handling that massive amount of money for almost zero pay, and NOT be tempted to skim some.

Disclaimer: not a troll post

Why bitcoin can go from $1000 to $1 in a day.

LOL... wizkid digging through his couch cushions looking for millions of dollars  ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 10, 2014, 12:43:54 PM
Ooops, failsafe.  And so it begins, again.   :D

Definitely working on this code more when I get home. :(

Anyway, caught it already and CPPSRB is catching up.  As soon as funds mature they're out to you guys.

I think you need to rewrite the monitoring bits. Right now, it CLEARLY knows when you are away! :D



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 10, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
Just a small question I got this morning:

It seems that when you do a manual payout, you do not make it so that it is included in a block mined by Elegius. Therefore, you pay transaction fees.

I know it is a negligible amount, but who pays for those fees?

Also, since we hold a good share of the hashrate now, and blocks are found about hourly, I think it would be nice if manual payouts were only included in Eligius blocks. Not only it would remove the need for those fees, but it would also make Eligius more "self-conained"/independent from the other miners.



On a related side-note, it would be nice if the stats had a page listing the recent manual payouts. In fact, the "best" I can think of would be including it with the found blocks list: You could place next to each block a symbol indicating wether:

a) This was a regular block, with normal payout from the generation transaction.
b) This was a failsafe block, did no payout.
c) This was a manual payout block, that payed out with a manual transaction from the money found in pas failsafe blocks.

It would be nice if you added two columns in the found blocks list, where you indicate the total reward from that block (block reward+transaction fees) and in another column, the amount of money sent to miners in that block. (Thus, in the a) case, both columns would show the same amount, or almost, in the b) case, the first column would be 25 BTC+fees, the second would be 0, and in the c) case, the first would be 0 (if the block was mined by another pool) and the second would be the amount of the manual payout.)



Another small suggestion. The "recent payout list" we have on each user stats page lists all payouts the pool did, even if that payout was later orphaned. I think orphaned payouts should either not be shown, or clearly shown as orphaned, to not cause confusion. Maybe it should be like on the found blocks page, with a toggle to show/not show them.



Finally, a last suggestion. On user stats page, you show how much we have given to Eligius via volunary donations. It would be great if that amount also showed how much we have given from a manual transaction. Of course some money may come from addresses not associated with miners, but for those that sent you money with their miner adress, it should be easy to add it there.



In any case, thanks for taking care of the pool! As always, good job, I love this pool. I know that you're away, so you may not have time to work on all this soon, but I know you work a lot to improve it! :)

Have a nice day!



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: praeluceo on March 10, 2014, 02:45:25 PM
Worked out a secure way to do a manual payout.

Majority of queue was paid, minus some blocks that are not yet confirmed.  Stats should reflect this shortly.

278.49192020 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 8ff569995ff56632309fcf968d2a30beda1140ede49f4460783a35f1b2f791b3
50.12648701 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 2b24410cc1dab9f3b4f1de9937e627a98b56838f563ff4827f01890731ea3200
125.06159973 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx 0bb57f6e38012c86d4c5a28c904f2675082859147921a707d48961015a3e5057
964.90392745 BTC in manual payments applied to balances from tx dbab1c84db23abc33c2c89a650b23e2996e14e5876334d083f7281b62e3ef898

I will do another when more coins mature to 120+ confirms.


Close to a $1 million in payouts.

How many CEO's do we know that run a $250 million dollar business in his spare time on tips?

You guys should charge and hire a profession staff.   

My hat is off to you though.  There are very very few people in this world that would work 12 hour days handling that massive amount of money for almost zero pay, and NOT be tempted to skim some.

+1 This statement.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: rains on March 10, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
Hi the Eligius site seem to be down as well as the stats page?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 10, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
Hi the Eligius site seem to be down as well as the stats page?
Pool is still working according to my miner.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 10, 2014, 09:52:16 PM
Hi the Eligius site seem to be down as well as the stats page?

That is what I see also.

Stats page not responding.
Home page not responding.

All give 504 Gateway Time-out error.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 10, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
Website not working right now for me, but I think it still mining as normal.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 10, 2014, 11:01:25 PM
My systems are mining as normal. I'm sure the stats page will come up at some point.

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: papamoi on March 10, 2014, 11:07:50 PM
same here


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on March 10, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Back up now (for me anyway, YMMV).


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 11, 2014, 01:02:16 AM
Back up now (for me anyway, YMMV).


+ 1

+2


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 11, 2014, 02:05:16 AM
And I just went into the payout queue with a 3 block delay. No problem...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 11, 2014, 07:07:23 AM
I did some research into the inability to access the Eligius site earlier and there were massive routing issues in the core of the Internet for about three hours.  Also, apparently in an effort to contain traffic issues, it appeared ping responses were turned off on many NAP core routers so trace route responses were spotty and, for whatever reason, pings and port 80/443 web requests could not get through but the normal mining ports were working.

The latest wrinkle I've seeen is on the status screen:

Hashrate:           5,356.36 Th/s                    Round Time:   2:15:35
Round Shares:   6.5334214449137e+40    Round Luck:   0%

Somehow, I don't quite think the Round Shares nor the Round Luck is accurate.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mruiter on March 11, 2014, 07:24:24 AM
Miner stats are also off.
One of my miners went down last night. It's been running for an hour again and still is not in te miner views as active.
Guess the front and backend are also having connection problems.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 11, 2014, 07:35:38 AM
Huh. My stats are pretty well in line with what Cgminer is reporting. Must be a location thing. I don't know where Eligius is located (server, I mean) but I never seem to have any trouble connecting even when the stats are fubar.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 11, 2014, 07:37:28 AM
Make sure it hasn't flipped over to your secondary or tertiary pool and one of those isn't Eligius.  I have my miners set up to mine Mazacoin and Benjamins in the unlikely event that Eligius is actually down.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 11, 2014, 07:48:31 AM
Make sure it hasn't flipped over to your secondary or tertiary pool and one of those isn't Eligius.  I have my miners set up to mine Mazacoin and Benjamins in the unlikely event that Eligius is actually down.
All good here, or I'd be mining UNO. Might put the ones you're talkin' in pretty soon, but I've been rock steady at Eligius even with all the front end troubles. Only time I was down was due to lightning tripping the local grid last night :D That only lasted a few minutes.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 11, 2014, 07:53:21 AM
I haven't had any problem connecting to the pool, regardless of the state of Eligius' web presence.  But note that the web presence appears to be hosted in Amazon's EC2 cloud, while the pool is with Secure Dragon.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 11, 2014, 01:49:14 PM
Pool stats page is looking broken?

My miner is still on this pool, zero work done on the failover pools.

Graphs show zero data for past 6 hours (goes blank) on hash rate, and 2 hours on earnings (also blank)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 11, 2014, 03:40:32 PM
Pool stats page is looking broken?

My miner is still on this pool, zero work done on the failover pools.

Graphs show zero data for past 6 hours (goes blank) on hash rate, and 2 hours on earnings (also blank)

And ticket submission results in an "internal server error"

Quote
Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at eligius.st Port 80


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mruiter on March 11, 2014, 03:42:52 PM
Pool stats page is looking broken?

My miner is still on this pool, zero work done on the failover pools.

Graphs show zero data for past 6 hours (goes blank) on hash rate, and 2 hours on earnings (also blank)

Same here. To double check i just renamed my worker name with _newname
It shows up, but on the bottom as idle miner not delivering work. And its doing 100Ghash of accepted work.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 11, 2014, 07:25:32 PM
Pool stats page is looking broken?

My miner is still on this pool, zero work done on the failover pools.

Graphs show zero data for past 6 hours (goes blank) on hash rate, and 2 hours on earnings (also blank)

Same here. To double check i just renamed my worker name with _newname
It shows up, but on the bottom as idle miner not delivering work. And its doing 100Ghash of accepted work.

Weird. I'm having no issues here at all. It's updating correctly, and shows similar stats to my miner. I wonder if this is a DNS problem? Usually when somebody reports a problem in this thread, I'm having the same problem. But the last few I have not, and that's odd.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: blubberli on March 11, 2014, 07:33:11 PM
I see the same problem here. The Hashrate Graph is blank since 12:22:30. The statistics above and the Balance Graph seem to be fine.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 11, 2014, 07:36:41 PM

Weird. I'm having no issues here at all. It's updating correctly, and shows similar stats to my miner. I wonder if this is a DNS problem? Usually when somebody reports a problem in this thread, I'm having the same problem. But the last few I have not, and that's odd.

they are not wearing their tinfoil hats  8)
tip: always wear your hat.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: brox on March 11, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
Round Shares:   2.177807148294e+40
Looks like wk is playing with stats page


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 11, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't sweat it guys.  In the relatively short time I've been using Eligius I've never had a problem with the pool, just the website.  I would hope you guys could see on your equipment what you're really doing better than what the website provides...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 11, 2014, 11:15:11 PM

Weird. I'm having no issues here at all. It's updating correctly, and shows similar stats to my miner. I wonder if this is a DNS problem? Usually when somebody reports a problem in this thread, I'm having the same problem. But the last few I have not, and that's odd.

they are not wearing their tinfoil hats  8)
tip: always wear your hat.

<----- It's not tinfoil, it's WOOL :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 11, 2014, 11:16:04 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't sweat it guys.  In the relatively short time I've been using Eligius I've never had a problem with the pool, just the website.  I would hope you guys could see on your equipment what you're really doing better than what the website provides...

No worries here. Just curiousity.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 11, 2014, 11:45:05 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't sweat it guys.  In the relatively short time I've been using Eligius I've never had a problem with the pool, just the website.  I would hope you guys could see on your equipment what you're really doing better than what the website provides...

I am new to the pool.
And this is my first ASIC.
And I'm addicted to graphs and charts!

Must Feed The Addiction!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 12, 2014, 03:38:29 AM
Stats server had a disk issue.  I've set it up to rebuild the data for the last day.  Should catch up on its own.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 12, 2014, 04:54:25 AM
Welcome Rock6.3.  I love the Eligius charts too!  There are few mining pools I've seen that have charts that can compare!
If you are addicted to just the charts, it won't be long now (if you are anything like me) until you are panting with crazed and glazed eyes (figuratively speaking) wondering where you can get a few more gigahashes.   "Just one more fix, and then I'm off the stuff forever, I swear!"  LOL  I think eBay is going to declare a dividend because of me!

Myself, I live in Minnesota and I've been spoiled by the free "air conditioning" cooling my miners all winter.  Not to discourage you, but...  I started mining in January and my power usage has gone up five kilowatts!  I put my miners in the attached garage and kept the door open a few inches all winter.  It never got colder than 45 degrees in the garage, when it was -10 outside!

Trying to air condition all that heat out of the house would break the budget.  So, I'm designing water-blocks for the Antminer S1's and ASICMiner Cubes to use this summer using "relatively" inexpensive materials.  Standard water-blocks available for PC applications either physically don't fit or they don't do the job.  Buying custom water-blocks from a company that specializes in manufacturing them would also break the bank, I've checked.

I plan on offering the water-blocks for sale via Bitcointalk.org once perfected and possibly more complete solutions.  I also have a design for disposing of the heat via slowly disposing of the water versus just dissipating it into the air, which brings no benefit versus just using fans.  Obviously not a solution for water restricted locations like California.

I'll keep y'all updated!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 12, 2014, 04:58:27 AM
Welcome Rock6.3.  I love the Eligius charts too!  There are few mining pools I've seen that have charts that can compare!
If you are addicted to just the charts, it won't be long now (if you are anything like me) until you are panting with crazed and glazed eyes (figuratively speaking) wondering where you can get a few more gigahashes.   "Just one more fix, and then I'm off the stuff forever, I swear!"  LOL

Myself, I live in Minnesota and I've been spoiled by the free "air conditioning" cooling my miners all winter.  Not to discourage you, but...  I started mining in January and my power usage has gone up five kilowatts!  I put my miners in the attached garage and kept the door open a few inches all winter.  It never got colder than 45 degrees in the garage, when it was -10 outside!

Trying to air condition all that heat out of the house would break the budget.  So, I'm designing water-blocks for the Antminer S1's and ASICMiner Cubes to use this summer using "relatively" inexpensive materials.  Standard water-blocks available for PC applications either physically don't fit or they don't do the job.  Buying custom water-blocks from a company that specializes in manufacturing them would also break the bank, I've checked.

I plan on offering the water-blocks for sale via Bitcointalk.org once perfected and possibly more complete solutions.  I also have a design for disposing of the heat via slowly disposing of the water versus just dissipating it into the air, which brings no benefit versus just using fans.  Obviously not a solution for water restricted locations like California.

I'll keep y'all updated!

I understand exactly what you mean.  Power bill has been climbing like crazy due to scrypt coin mining on multi gpu machines here, now add one antminerS1 and wait anxiously for news of S2.

As for summer, that's a real problem since it hits 110F here.....
Have not developed a plan yet, but contemplating geothermal cooling loop under the lawn.....



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 12, 2014, 05:21:00 AM
I had that thought too!  A home-brew heat exchanger!  Bury it deep someplace moist and use plenty of feet of copper pipe!  I, however, don't have that option, I live in a condo complex.  Hell, I'd need an act of congress just to plant flowers outside.

I haven't gotten the March bill yet, but it's probably gone up by $14 per day!  Yep, an additional $420 a month.   Serious mining is not for the feint of heart.  I got most of my S1's in February.  So, that's without cooling costs.  All for a measly 1.5TH.

That's the first I've heard of an ANTMiner S2 coming out.  In my estimation the Cointerra TerraMiner IV has the most affordable cost per gigahash for the individual miner.  The KnC is just ridiculously expensive and is, in my opinion, relegated to the early Bitcoin adopters with lots of BTC to spare, the already wealthy or the institutional investors.

It makes me sad that this "arms war" of hashing power has put substantial Bitcoin profitability out of the reach of so many "regular Joes."

Here's to hoping BTC finally get's out of the doldrums and yields enough fiat cash to pay these bills and still make a profit!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 12, 2014, 10:48:20 AM
Database was moving very slowly catching up with all of the stats traffic.  I've temporarily disabled the stats pages while it finishes its catch up.  Sorry for the inconvenience. :(

As always, stats don't affect mining or the pool servers, so mining is working as normal.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
I have five S1 Antminer and all pointed to Eligius.  One of them went down, but I don't know which one unless I logged in to each one individually to check.  Do you have a way I can keep track of which of my antminers is down?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 12, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
I have five S1 Antminer and all pointed to Eligius.  One of them went down, but I don't know which one unless I logged in to each one individually to check.  Do you have a way I can keep track of which of my antminers is down?

Put a worker name on them  <your BTC address>_workername


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
I have five S1 Antminer and all pointed to Eligius.  One of them went down, but I don't know which one unless I logged in to each one individually to check.  Do you have a way I can keep track of which of my antminers is down?

Put a worker name on them  <your BTC address>_workername

Hi,

Thank you.  However, it does not send me an email message or call me to tell me it is down.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 12, 2014, 02:00:16 PM
I have five S1 Antminer and all pointed to Eligius.  One of them went down, but I don't know which one unless I logged in to each one individually to check.  Do you have a way I can keep track of which of my antminers is down?

Put a worker name on them  <your BTC address>_workername

Hi,

Thank you.  However, it does not send me an email message or call me to tell me it is down.

Correct, it doesn't. 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 12, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Database was moving very slowly catching up with all of the stats traffic.  I've temporarily disabled the stats pages while it finishes its catch up.  Sorry for the inconvenience. :(

As always, stats don't affect mining or the pool servers, so mining is working as normal.

-wk

:(

But thank you for putting up a placeholder explaining that this is a known stats outage.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 02:48:01 PM
Is it possible for whizkid to call on my cell phone everytime my s1 antminer or u2 is down?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 12, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Is it possible for whizkid to call on my cell phone everytime my s1 antminer or u2 is down?

A text message for an offline worker would be an awesome feature!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 12, 2014, 03:05:52 PM
Is it possible for whizkid to call on my cell phone everytime my s1 antminer or u2 is down?

A text message for an offline worker would be an awesome feature!
He doesn't want a text message. He just wants to talk to Wizkid and chat.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: alexrossi on March 12, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
Is it possible for whizkid to call on my cell phone everytime my s1 antminer or u2 is down?

 ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 12, 2014, 03:46:01 PM
There's plenty of piece of software available that can monitor miners and notify you if something dies.  cgwatcher is one that instantly comes to mind.

Other pools have email notifications, but you pay 2% fees for that privilege.  Eligius is a fee-free pool for miners who can monitor their own miners, and don't get their knickers in a knot when stats die or a payout is 10 minutes late.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 12, 2014, 04:14:47 PM
There's plenty of piece of software available that can monitor miners and notify you if something dies.  cgwatcher is one that instantly comes to mind.

Other pools have email notifications, but you pay 2% fees for that privilege.  Eligius is a fee-free pool for miners who can monitor their own miners, and don't get their knickers in a knot when stats die or a payout is 10 minutes late.
Eclipse doesn't have a fee for their notification and it's pretty good. However I've been noticing that Eclipse will sometimes reject a lot of shares (a couple of percent as opposed to <1%) which is a bit odd and I don't think they share block rewards.

Eclipse also has more short term variation because it's a bit smaller. Over time things will average out, but in the short term I go a bit bonkers when it takes 20 hours to find a block, followed by 1 minute to find another one. Whatever, luck averages out over time.

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 04:16:49 PM
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 12, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.
Well, I'm having problems with my wife and girlfriend. Eligius should notify me when there is a schedule conflict in my bitcoin use keeping them all happy.

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: justice on March 12, 2014, 04:22:33 PM
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.
Well, I'm having problems with my wife and girlfriend. Eligius should notify me when there is a schedule conflict in my bitcoin use keeping them all happy.

C

you need to comply with the ceo of bitcoin first.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 05:12:11 PM
Good luck
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.
Well, I'm having problems with my wife and girlfriend. Eligius should notify me when there is a schedule conflict in my bitcoin use keeping them all happy.

C

you need to comply with the ceo of bitcoin first.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: rains on March 12, 2014, 05:31:01 PM
Bitcoin party ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 12, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
Is it possible for whizkid to call on my cell phone everytime my s1 antminer or u2 is down?

Is this guy serious?   :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wedgy2k on March 12, 2014, 07:07:10 PM
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.

please post the number you would like to be contacted on and i'll ensure the CEO's PA does call you


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 07:10:21 PM
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.

please post the number you would like to be contacted on and i'll ensure the CEO's PA does call you

private


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 12, 2014, 07:13:50 PM
I would like the CEO of Eligius to personal call me when something is wrong.  That would be nice.

please post the number you would like to be contacted on and i'll ensure the CEO's PA does call you

911
"Hello, 911? This is Wizkid. This guy is helping me out by doing some stuff in his garage that uses a lot of electricity, but I noticed it dropped off just now. Can you send a squad car out to look into it?"


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 12, 2014, 08:23:44 PM
There's plenty of piece of software available that can monitor miners and notify you if something dies.  cgwatcher is one that instantly comes to mind.

Other pools have email notifications, but you pay 2% fees for that privilege.  Eligius is a fee-free pool for miners who can monitor their own miners, and don't get their knickers in a knot when stats die or a payout is 10 minutes late.

You made my brain light up there :D

Wizkid could add some optional paid services to generate more income for the pool, such as dead worker notification, payout notification, stats down notification...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 12, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
I would like Wizkid to add a service to notify someone of deadworker and dead owner /miner also.


There's plenty of piece of software available that can monitor miners and notify you if something dies.  cgwatcher is one that instantly comes to mind.

Other pools have email notifications, but you pay 2% fees for that privilege.  Eligius is a fee-free pool for miners who can monitor their own miners, and don't get their knickers in a knot when stats die or a payout is 10 minutes late.

You made my brain light up there :D

Wizkid could add some optional paid services to generate more income for the pool, such as dead worker notification, payout notification, stats down notification...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 12, 2014, 10:31:50 PM
I recently added namecoin merged mining to my Eligius BTC mining.  I since got a BTC payment via generated Bitcoins, not a manual payout, but I did not receive a payment to my Namecoin wallet.  Is there something up with that process as well since the stats are down, or have I perhaps set something up incompletely or is there another step I need to perform once the pool stats stuff is healthy again?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 12, 2014, 10:34:25 PM
I recently added namecoin merged mining to my Eligius BTC mining.  I since got a BTC payment via generated Bitcoins, not a manual payout, but I did not receive a payment to my Namecoin wallet.  Is there something up with that process as well since the stats are down, or have I perhaps set something up incompletely or is there another step I need to perform once the pool stats stuff is healthy again?
Namecoin always goes out manually as far as I know, usually once a day.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 12, 2014, 10:56:19 PM
Stats still catching up... they're about 4 hours behind realtime :(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on March 12, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
I recently added namecoin merged mining to my Eligius BTC mining.  I since got a BTC payment via generated Bitcoins, not a manual payout, but I did not receive a payment to my Namecoin wallet.  Is there something up with that process as well since the stats are down, or have I perhaps set something up incompletely or is there another step I need to perform once the pool stats stuff is healthy again?

I think you are all good.
I haven't received a Namecoin payment since 9th March but presume it's because WK is busy with the pool stats etc.
I'm sure he will distribute them when he has time, as it's a fairly manual process AFAIK.
Not worried here.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: davebodger on March 12, 2014, 10:59:56 PM
Stats still catching up... they're about 4 hours behind realtime :(

TVM WK.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 13, 2014, 01:40:42 AM
I recently added namecoin merged mining to my Eligius BTC mining.  I since got a BTC payment via generated Bitcoins, not a manual payout, but I did not receive a payment to my Namecoin wallet.  Is there something up with that process as well since the stats are down, or have I perhaps set something up incompletely or is there another step I need to perform once the pool stats stuff is healthy again?

I think you are all good.
I haven't received a Namecoin payment since 9th March but presume it's because WK is busy with the pool stats etc.
I'm sure he will distribute them when he has time, as it's a fairly manual process AFAIK.
Not worried here.


WK, automating Namecoin payouts should probably be added to the TBD list.  Number 10,138 I believe.  LOL

An easier "to do", how about you at least put a comment on the setup page about how namecoins are currently paid.  It would save a lot of confusion.  Thanks!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joolzg on March 13, 2014, 09:23:16 AM
Any news on the site?

Was expecting my 1st payment in the middle of the night, but nothing so an update would be good.

joolz


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 09:48:50 AM
Hi guys,

The shares database for the stats finally caught up in the middle of the night, and the stats machine has been crunching the data (regenerating the actual stats based on it) since.  I doubt it will take too much longer.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: papamoi on March 13, 2014, 09:52:20 AM
i ve just tried and i m getting your stats temporary offline page



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 13, 2014, 09:57:29 AM
i ve just tried and i m getting your stats temporary offline page



Wow.  Just wow.   ::)

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Unacceptable on March 13, 2014, 09:59:19 AM
i ve just tried and i m getting your stats temporary offline page



Wow.  Just wow.   ::)

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D :D  I needed a good laugh!!!!!!  ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joolzg on March 13, 2014, 11:04:01 AM
PMSL

Looks like a 4h+ block at the moment, based on blockchain

Is the pool running OK

joolz


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: papamoi on March 13, 2014, 11:30:30 AM
i ve just tried and i m getting your stats temporary offline page



Wow.  Just wow.   ::)

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK.


are you here for wasting people s time?



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 13, 2014, 11:34:11 AM
Has the site been hacked or something?  I went to the stats page for my miner to see if it was up yet and I'm getting flooded with pop-up windows:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/182PKPSURTdb8Aner86prJGKb4FC2k844v

The message from eligius is there about the stats being down, but a ton of pop-up windows start opening up.  What's up with that? 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 13, 2014, 11:45:08 AM
Has the site been hacked or something?  I went to the stats page for my miner to see if it was up yet and I'm getting flooded with pop-up windows:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/182PKPSURTdb8Aner86prJGKb4FC2k844v

The message from eligius is there about the stats being down, but a ton of pop-up windows start opening up.  What's up with that?  

There are no popups. it's your computer and browser containing adware and spamming programs.
Run malware scans and so on. Soon your wallet is empty  :o


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 13, 2014, 11:51:31 AM
That's strange because I'm not getting pop-ups on other websites at all.  I'm using Chrome and when I use IE, I don't get any pop-ups... must be a Chrome issue. 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 13, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
That's strange because I'm not getting pop-ups on other websites at all.  I'm using Chrome and when I use IE, I don't get any pop-ups... must be a Chrome issue. 

No issues on my end using Chrome.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bayo on March 13, 2014, 11:59:41 AM
That's strange because I'm not getting pop-ups on other websites at all.  I'm using Chrome and when I use IE, I don't get any pop-ups... must be a Chrome issue. 

Its you men ! I use chrome and any pops !! I think you should look your plugin list + do a malwarebytes scan!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 13, 2014, 12:05:10 PM
Sorry for the scare... It's definitely just me, but for some reason only when I use chrome.  I did get pop-ups on other websites, so it wasn't just Eligius.  I just reset Chrome and wiped all of my data and now I'm not getting pop-ups anymore. 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 13, 2014, 02:04:29 PM
Any update on when the stats will be back up? 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 13, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
Is this a repeat of Mtgox?  Its website was down for a couple days before the owner declared bankruptcy.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joolzg on March 13, 2014, 02:26:20 PM
NO dont start putting the fear of god in the group.

But saying that I should have got over 1BTC last night, that was the time the last stats i saw said depending on my hashnig rate.

Its now over 12 hours since and nothing has popped into my wallet.

joolz
 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 13, 2014, 02:33:49 PM
NO dont start putting the fear of god in the group.
God, Gox, what's the difference.

Given that WK recently paid out over a million dollars worth of bitcoin to keep the wait times minimal, I'd trust him and not worry about it.

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: daddyfatsax on March 13, 2014, 02:37:48 PM
Stats are back. Everyone can stop panicking.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 13, 2014, 02:39:39 PM
Stats are back!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 13, 2014, 02:47:02 PM
Stats are back!

+1


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Hi everyone,

Stats are back.  I'm going to be migrating them to another server some time soon which should eliminate a lot of these issues.

There is a minor artifact in the stats data (visible on the hash rate graphs) right around when the stats started having issues the other day.  The hash rate data for about a 2 hour time period is missing from the stats database.  I will see if I can easily pull this data over from the core database and get it fixed on the stats side.  If it ends up being too much of a PITA I'm probably going to just forget about it though.

This does not affect earnings in any way.  The reward system database (core database) has all of the correct data and rewards are always calculated from the core database.  It is basically just a stats artifact reflected in the hash rate graphs.  The blocks found in this time are reflected properly.

Thanks for your patience everyone.  Also, I will be doing a manual payout to catch up the majority of the queue within the next couple of hours, as well as get NMC payouts caught up.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 13, 2014, 03:53:26 PM
WK, more reassurance is needed next time so that way we don't have a heart attack.  Great it is back!
Hi everyone,

Stats are back.  I'm going to be migrating them to another server some time soon which should eliminate a lot of these issues.

There is a minor artifact in the stats data (visible on the hash rate graphs) right around when the stats started having issues the other day.  The hash rate data for about a 2 hour time period is missing from the stats database.  I will see if I can easily pull this data over from the core database and get it fixed on the stats side.  If it ends up being too much of a PITA I'm probably going to just forget about it though.

This does not affect earnings in any way.  The reward system database (core database) has all of the correct data and rewards are always calculated from the core database.  It is basically just a stats artifact reflected in the hash rate graphs.  The blocks found in this time are reflected properly.

Thanks for your patience everyone.  Also, I will be doing a manual payout to catch up the majority of the queue within the next couple of hours, as well as get NMC payouts caught up.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: 2GOOD on March 13, 2014, 05:54:22 PM
ALL NMC addresses changed to N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F  ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: 2GOOD on March 13, 2014, 06:07:02 PM
ALL NMC addresses changed to N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F  ??? ??? ???

+1234e78264783624


Yo, wtf. All NMC address in configs have been changed to this.. wtf is going on?

I manually change mine to a new NMC address just in case, I assume we all have to do it.

A word from wizkid057 will be nice.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 13, 2014, 06:07:47 PM
http://192.241.222.65/address/N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F

Manual Change worked. But that address was there.
good payout  ;D around 11BTC


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 13, 2014, 06:14:58 PM
My NMC payout address is also set to N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F atm.

Edit: I'm not sure when/how/if NMC payments are made, but I've never actually received one that I know of. Figured it was just a rare thing and didn't worry about it.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on March 13, 2014, 06:19:03 PM
Same here.  I changed mine back also as it had the shown address.  I have had two BTC payputs since my last received NMC payment.

Here is the info that I could find for N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F (http://explorer.namecoin.info/a/N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F), looks like a good payout just recently.

LOL, I spent to long researching and was beat to the post with the info.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on March 13, 2014, 06:29:52 PM
ALL NMC addresses changed to N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F  ??? ??? ???
I just checked after seeing these posts and mine was changed to above address also.

fixed it now,
but how did it change? and will it mysteriously change again?

edit. last NMC payout to my address was on 9th March (Australian time) just over 4 days ago


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 13, 2014, 06:36:38 PM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

Edit: I passed on the situation via support ticket and IRC. I figure that's more useful than just complaining here. ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 13, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
Mine changed too...  WTH?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on March 13, 2014, 06:41:50 PM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

usually daily

how long have you merged mined NMC?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 13, 2014, 06:53:41 PM
Mine changed too...  WTH?

Ain't that the damnedest thing.  Given that our options are supposed to be verified by cryptographic signature it would seem that it's not being verified per payment, probably only upon submission, so if the site gets hacked, we're screwed.  Bad form, that.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 13, 2014, 06:53:53 PM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

usually daily

how long have you merged mined NMC?

I've not used the pool long. And before that only briefly when not mining alt coins. No biggy, and it's only a single Antminer. I'll just change it back when I get home tonight. I pay directly to an exchange since I don't run a namecoin wallet.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: djjacket on March 13, 2014, 07:03:14 PM
Hope wizkid owns the address...

Namecoin Address N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F

Received   count: 1   sum: 2,191.15350088 NMC   first: 2014-03-13 16:14:29 UTC   last: 2014-03-13 16:14:29 UTC

http://bitinfocharts.com/namecoin/address/N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 13, 2014, 07:07:35 PM
All of the NMC payouts from Eligius have been manual, not mined straight to the wallet, so the same level of protection isn't afforded to NMC as it is BTC.

Wiz:  I'd be happy to get weekly payments of NMC if you would just verify every payout address with every payment.  Verifying them only upon submission to the site isn't going to hack it if the site itself gets hacked.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 13, 2014, 07:11:55 PM
FWIW, I took a look at the core pool server and didn't find anything to suggest it has been compromised, at least.
So Bitcoin should be fine.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 13, 2014, 07:18:09 PM
FWIW, I took a look at the core pool server and didn't find anything to suggest it has been compromised, at least.
So Bitcoin should be fine.

I'm sure you're right.  Odds are you're dealing with a portal issue, either a SQL injection or cross-site scripting attack on the portal itself.  Data in the database was munged for the NMC address, and the source data wasn't verified against the signatures...  which would imply that someone deviously inclined could possibly modify donation percentages, etc.

No personal benefit to doing so for an attacker, of course, but at this point I don't think you can trust any of the configurable options as-is.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: railzand on March 13, 2014, 07:24:49 PM
My minimum payouts were altered to .2


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: AbiTxGroup on March 13, 2014, 07:27:06 PM
^ + 1

Yep. I'm off the pool until this is resolved. Shucks.
Why?

Since the issue is only with NMC why stop mining BTC.  With the 1TH's that I have here on this pool the NMC payouts are just a few extra dollars each time.


My minimum payouts were altered to .2
You sure about that.  The only thing on my account that was changed was the NMC address.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 13, 2014, 07:33:21 PM
^ + 1

Yep. I'm off the pool until this is resolved. Shucks.
Why?

Since the issue is only with NMC why stop mining BTC.  With the 1TH's that I have here on this pool the NMC payouts are just a few extra dollars each time.


My minimum payouts were altered to .2
You sure about that.  The only thing on my account that was changed was the NMC address.

Agreed, I'm staying.  While an attacker could try to screw with us and donate 100% of BTC earnings to the pool, we know those people, and I'm sure they'd remedy that in good faith.  If they just raised the payout threshold, no biggie, I'm not spending right now, anyway.

Losing NMC sucks, but it's such a small, token amount (for me, anyway) that I'm not sweating that.

End sum:  I'm sure this has Wiz's attention, hopefully he can rectify it soon.  Eligius might want to consider leveraging those of us in the pool that do this kind of stuff for a living and put together a code review team or something.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: railzand on March 13, 2014, 07:39:38 PM
My minimum payouts were altered to .2

sure i'm sure. wasn't me


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Tursk on March 13, 2014, 07:49:55 PM


So it looks like today's manual NMC payout went to a thief.

My NMC address was changed too.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gallery2000 on March 13, 2014, 08:13:08 PM
How long does it take to get pay?  I got 0.9 BTC but have not been paid for two days.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 13, 2014, 08:18:17 PM
How long does it take to get pay?  I got 0.9 BTC but have not been paid for two days.
After an orphan WK has to do a manual payout, which he usually does once per day. There's some traveling going on right now though, so expect a delay. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was a delay related to the NMC kerfuffle.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 08:34:49 PM
Investigating issue with stats/My Eligius exploit.

Taking stats offline temporarily to investigate and compare database with the most recent backups and to parse through some logs.

I will put them back online as soon as I have pulled the majority of the data to a secondary server for verification.  Shouldn't take more than an hour.

There has been no compromise of the pool or its servers.  

Yes, most of the NMC payouts went to some rogue address today. :(  This, honestly, is my fault, because I generally at the very least do a cursory parse through the NMC payout list before submitting it to the network.  In my haste I did not today and seems that was a mistake on my part which will not happen again.  There is enough NMC buffer to cover the loss and I will make sure everyone gets paid properly once I correct the issues.

I will post more details as soon as I finish my audits of the stats code.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 08:41:36 PM
Are we ok to continue mining?

Yes, there has been no compromise of any server.  This just affects stats and NMC.

The security model of how the pool servers are partitioned from the web server prevents any issue like this from affecting the pool itself.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: praeluceo on March 13, 2014, 08:50:54 PM
Investigating issue with stats/My Eligius exploit.

Taking stats offline temporarily to investigate and compare database with the most recent backups and to parse through some logs.

I will put them back online as soon as I have pulled the majority of the data to a secondary server for verification.  Shouldn't take more than an hour.

There has been no compromise of the pool or its servers.  

Yes, most of the NMC payouts went to some rogue address today. :(  This, honestly, is my fault, because I generally at the very least do a cursory parse through the NMC payout list before submitting it to the network.  In my haste I did not today and seems that was a mistake on my part which will not happen again.  There is enough NMC buffer to cover the loss and I will make sure everyone gets paid properly once I correct the issues.

I will post more details as soon as I finish my audits of the stats code.

-wk

Could you inform us of the address(es) that the thief inserted for the payouts since it'll probably be fixed by the time you bring MyStats back online? I would be...interested in tracking that wallet's historic and future transactions.

edit: didn't realize I was on the wrong page and had lost a page of comments! My mistake, oops, sorry!
Apparently we're watching for this guy: http://explorer.namecoin.info/a/N4CVwS13ELKimdJNEChgMJnLZiA7L6MU5F


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 13, 2014, 08:53:03 PM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

Edit: I passed on the situation via support ticket and IRC. I figure that's more useful than just complaining here. ;)
I suggest checking if the exchange wallet you are using supports mined coins, apparently there are some that don't.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 13, 2014, 09:12:58 PM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

Edit: I passed on the situation via support ticket and IRC. I figure that's more useful than just complaining here. ;)
I suggest checking if the exchange wallet you are using supports mined coins, apparently there are some that don't.

I was referring only to NMC. NMC coins aren't mined directly to the payment addresses I believe. For my BTC I mine to my normal Electrum wallet.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ajw7989 on March 13, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
good to hear that the mining was not compromised I noticed a 2-3 times today that my miner failed to connected to the pool for a few minutes. Is there something going on with the mining server too?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 09:47:28 PM
good to hear that the mining was not compromised I noticed a 2-3 times today that my miner failed to connected to the pool for a few minutes. Is there something going on with the mining server too?

I've gone through all of the servers just as a precaution and everything is fine.  Connectivity has been solid, and all pool servers are functional.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: not.you on March 13, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
I guess I don't understand how everyone's NMC address was changed to the same thing if there was no hack.  I also haven't seen an NMC payout since the 9th.  Do we need to go back and change our NMC addresses to what they should be or will they be restored from backup?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 10:10:46 PM
I guess I don't understand how everyone's NMC address was changed to the same thing if there was no hack.  I also haven't seen an NMC payout since the 9th.  Do we need to go back and change our NMC addresses to what they should be or will they be restored from backup?

It was an exploit of the stats code (open source), not a hack of the actual server(s).

And, no, I will fix everyone's NMC addresses using the verified data on the core server, which is not affected by this (since the new options/signatures didn't pass the re-verification).

I will also get the proper payouts out to everyone.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 13, 2014, 10:12:31 PM
Pay attention to what was said:  the pool servers are fine, they didn't get hacked.  The portal, however, is a different story.  Wiz is on it.

Wiz:  I hope you're logging IP addresses, and have some back logs to troll.  I'd be interested in knowing if the jack wagon changing the NMC address did so from the same IP as one of your registered users.  He'd be a poor hacker if he did, but half these script kiddies don't understand how network services work, anyway.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 10:14:27 PM
Pay attention to what was said:  the pool servers are fine, they didn't get hacked.  The portal, however, is a different story.  Wiz is on it.

Wiz:  I hope you're logging IP addresses, and have some back logs to troll.  I'd be interested in knowing if the jack wagon changing the NMC address did so from the same IP as one of your registered users.  He'd be a poor hacker if he did, but half these script kiddies don't understand how network services work, anyway.

The IP of the attacker is 178.252.115.200, but this obviously isn't all that useful.  This IP is actually associated with some attempted low-hashrate mining with the following addresses: 141Ui93eV83HSnpyDcvdtGtR3UqwYss5q7, 17hpCt7vWLCksCpUgQpFURjWHjZDhNDYhz, 1MsMx8hfYW6tS1Y9oGZhAbSqvrD8DDgNzN.  But, no earnings to speak of on these, really.

Note: I have no issues publicly revealing private data like this on attackers.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: not.you on March 13, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
I guess I don't understand how everyone's NMC address was changed to the same thing if there was no hack.  I also haven't seen an NMC payout since the 9th.  Do we need to go back and change our NMC addresses to what they should be or will they be restored from backup?

It was an exploit of the stats code (open source), not a hack of the actual server(s).


Oh I see.  You were being more precise in your terminology than I was, which is weird because usually I am the most pedantic person in any conversation I have.  Thanks for the clarification.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joolzg on March 13, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
YEAH got my 1st BTC from my new T-IV machine, only need another 8.3 to break even :-)

joolz


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 13, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
Pay attention to what was said:  the pool servers are fine, they didn't get hacked.  The portal, however, is a different story.  Wiz is on it.

Wiz:  I hope you're logging IP addresses, and have some back logs to troll.  I'd be interested in knowing if the jack wagon changing the NMC address did so from the same IP as one of your registered users.  He'd be a poor hacker if he did, but half these script kiddies don't understand how network services work, anyway.

The IP of the attacker is 178.252.115.200, but this obviously isn't all that useful.  This IP is actually associated with some attempted low-hashrate mining with the following addresses: 141Ui93eV83HSnpyDcvdtGtR3UqwYss5q7, 17hpCt7vWLCksCpUgQpFURjWHjZDhNDYhz, 1MsMx8hfYW6tS1Y9oGZhAbSqvrD8DDgNzN.  But, no earnings to speak of on these, really.

Note: I have no issues publicly revealing private data like this on attackers.

Yeh. thx for sharing

Russian IP from Saint Petersburg based home internet. fun to know at least  ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 13, 2014, 10:48:13 PM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

Edit: I passed on the situation via support ticket and IRC. I figure that's more useful than just complaining here. ;)
I suggest checking if the exchange wallet you are using supports mined coins, apparently there are some that don't.

I was referring only to NMC. NMC coins aren't mined directly to the payment addresses I believe.
I would advise against assuming this, even though it is currently correct...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Kivela on March 13, 2014, 10:51:21 PM
Hi,

Will you restore our NMC addresses to a time before the attack or do we need to track this thread
to receive a go to be able to change it ourselves ?

Cheers and thanks for all your effort !


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 13, 2014, 10:51:53 PM
Hi,

Will you restore our NMC addresses to a time before the attack or do we need to track this thread
to receive a go to be able to change it ourselves ?

Cheers and thanks for all your effort !

I will fix them.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 13, 2014, 11:37:06 PM
Pay attention to what was said:  the pool servers are fine, they didn't get hacked.  The portal, however, is a different story.  Wiz is on it.

Wiz:  I hope you're logging IP addresses, and have some back logs to troll.  I'd be interested in knowing if the jack wagon changing the NMC address did so from the same IP as one of your registered users.  He'd be a poor hacker if he did, but half these script kiddies don't understand how network services work, anyway.

The IP of the attacker is 178.252.115.200, but this obviously isn't all that useful.  This IP is actually associated with some attempted low-hashrate mining with the following addresses: 141Ui93eV83HSnpyDcvdtGtR3UqwYss5q7, 17hpCt7vWLCksCpUgQpFURjWHjZDhNDYhz, 1MsMx8hfYW6tS1Y9oGZhAbSqvrD8DDgNzN.  But, no earnings to speak of on these, really.

Note: I have no issues publicly revealing private data like this on attackers.

Yeh. thx for sharing

Russian IP from Saint Petersburg based home internet. fun to know at least  ;D

That ISP appears only to have 8K addresses, I'd be curious to know how many Eligius members also hail from the 178.252.96.0 - 178.252.127.255 block.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 13, 2014, 11:50:42 PM
If that is their real IP and not a proxy, it wouldn't be that hard for the ISP to see which customer was assigned that IP address at the times Eligus was accessed. Should law enforcement get involved that is. And on top of that, isn't cryptocurrency illegal in Russian? Some extra charges that could be filed. ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JakeTri on March 13, 2014, 11:59:55 PM
I guess I don't understand how everyone's NMC address was changed to the same thing if there was no hack.  I also haven't seen an NMC payout since the 9th.  Do we need to go back and change our NMC addresses to what they should be or will they be restored from backup?

It was an exploit of the stats code (open source), not a hack of the actual server(s).

And, no, I will fix everyone's NMC addresses using the verified data on the core server, which is not affected by this (since the new options/signatures didn't pass the re-verification).

I will also get the proper payouts out to everyone.

If the exploit affected only the stat server and the core server data is still unchanged (due to fail verification of the new data) then how it is possible that new address (available only on the stat server) was used for the payment ? ...

I think this could only happened if payment is done (or at least transaction was prepared) on the stats server instead of a server with more security ....  If my assumption is correct the a hack on the stats server may cause far bigger issues that just the stats pages ....

I hope I'm wrong ... Please confirm that I'm wrong ....


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: 2GOOD on March 14, 2014, 12:07:49 AM
Can I suggest a rather simple solution for the problem with the NMC addresses and the signing. Is it possible to use for worker the following template:

BTCADDRESS_workername_NMCADDRESS

That way the NMC address stays in the backend server ie securely stored in the db.

I don't know if this is possible, just thinking out laud :)

The downside on this will be that you have to assign worker to use merged mining, not a big deal :)



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 14, 2014, 12:11:18 AM

If the exploit affected only the stat server and the core server data is still unchanged (due to fail verification of the new data) then how it is possible that new address (available only on the stat server) was used for the payment ? ...

I think this could only happened if payment is done (or at least transaction was prepared) on the stats server instead of a server with more security ....  If my assumption is correct the a hack on the stats server may cause far bigger issues that just the stats pages ....

I hope I'm wrong ... Please confirm that I'm wrong ....


I think you misunderstand the problem.  This only affected NMC payments which are done manually, based on the addresses in the database.  It doesn't matter where he issued the payments from, it was from a tainted data set.  Luckily, the real money in this pool is in BTC, and that payment system isn't vulnerable to the same attack.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 14, 2014, 12:13:46 AM
Can I suggest a rather simple solution for the problem with the NMC addresses and the signing. Is it possible to use for worker the following template:

BTCADDRESS_workername_NMCADDRESS

That way the NMC address stays in the backend server ie securely stored in the db.

I don't know if this is possible, just thinking out laud :)

The downside on this will be that you have to assign worker to use merged mining, not a big deal :)



Or, all addresses from the database (as part of our configuration settings) could simply be authenticated by the cryptographic signature we have to upload... assuming those signatures are being stored, of course.  Which would be much less intrusive that screwing around with the pool code.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 14, 2014, 12:30:13 AM
So how long were the NMCs being paid to that address?  Was it only a single payout for each miner or was it multiple days?  Also, is there any way to tell how many NMCs were obtained by the hacker?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 14, 2014, 12:33:04 AM
So how long were the NMCs being paid to that address?  Was it only a single payout for each miner or was it multiple days?  Also, is there any way to tell how many NMCs were obtained by the hacker?

There was just one payout to the attacker address, today, when I pushed the payouts through without doing my normal checks on them.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: fsb4000 on March 14, 2014, 12:43:01 AM
How many bytes in Eligius block are set aside for  high priority transactions ? 30 000 bytes or 50 000 bytes or different value?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 14, 2014, 02:30:54 AM
Ok, I restored everyone's latest signature-valid options to the My Eligius page.

I'm moving some NMC coins out of cold storage to complete the correct NMC payouts, but my cold storage for NMC is very far behind and probably wont catch up until tomorrow.

Everything should be good now, and I will keep an eye on things.  I will also do a detailed write up tomorrow after I get NMC and BTC payouts all caught up.

-wk


Note: Deleted a sarcastic, not-helpful-in-any-way post.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 14, 2014, 02:40:10 AM
Also a quick note, I set the stats to once again reverify everything against the latest database copy, and while it does it will probably complain about a failsafe (since it won't be checking a realtime copy until its done).

It will correct itself though, in probably less than an hour.  As always, no earnings lost, mining works, etc.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Fastblack3 on March 14, 2014, 03:33:32 AM
To go off topic, has anyone else received payouts of 0.00000001 BTC from 1Enjoy1 or 1SochiWw? I've had 1 payout from each this month and am wondering what the issue could be. Both transactions are not in the blockchain and the transaction from 1Enjoy1 has disappeared from my wallet. These transactions were sent to over 500+ wallets from what I can sort out. Is this an attempted hack on wallets?

Thanks for the time.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: eleuthria on March 14, 2014, 04:18:32 AM
To go off topic, has anyone else received payouts of 0.00000001 BTC from 1Enjoy1 or 1SochiWw? I've had 1 payout from each this month and am wondering what the issue could be. Both transactions are not in the blockchain and the transaction from 1Enjoy1 has disappeared from my wallet. These transactions were sent to over 500+ wallets from what I can sort out. Is this an attempted hack on wallets?

Thanks for the time.

It's somebody trying to spam the blockchain.  They've been doing it for a few months, but as far as I'm aware few (none?) of them have ever managed to actually get confirmed.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: organofcorti on March 14, 2014, 04:33:30 AM
To go off topic, has anyone else received payouts of 0.00000001 BTC from 1Enjoy1 or 1SochiWw? I've had 1 payout from each this month and am wondering what the issue could be. Both transactions are not in the blockchain and the transaction from 1Enjoy1 has disappeared from my wallet. These transactions were sent to over 500+ wallets from what I can sort out. Is this an attempted hack on wallets?

Thanks for the time.

It's somebody trying to spam the blockchain.  They've been doing it for a few months, but as far as I'm aware few (none?) of them have ever managed to actually get confirmed.

You using the Multibit wallet? A recent update removed the fakey txs.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 14, 2014, 05:07:15 AM
My data hack (if that's what all this stuff amounted to be) was to reset all my settings to zero donation and no namecoin address.  Great...  Settings change... take two.  Sure glad namecoin wasn't a big financial "thing" for me.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 14, 2014, 05:39:31 AM
How often are NMC payments made? I'm not sure I've ever gotten one. :)

Edit: I passed on the situation via support ticket and IRC. I figure that's more useful than just complaining here. ;)
I suggest checking if the exchange wallet you are using supports mined coins, apparently there are some that don't.
I was referring only to NMC. NMC coins aren't mined directly to the payment addresses I believe.
I would advise against assuming this, even though it is currently correct...
FYI: If you're still not getting NMC payments, then I suggest switching wallets immediately until you are sure it has been resolved. I had a wallet on nmc-wallet.com and actually received some payments and email confirmations for a month or so then they stopped and I noticed the balance didn't match the blockchain. I'm not able to make and NMC transfers and I get no reply from their support, so I'm now 99.9999% sure that nmc-wallet.com is a scam. The site itself looks almost identical to localbitcoins.com which is what gave me a false sense of security which was supported by email confirmations when payments were made.

If they've not replied to you in 24hrs, change your wallet.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Kredence on March 14, 2014, 06:38:38 AM
Have there been any other payout issues? I haven't seen anything from Eligius, in the form of Namecoin payouts, since the 8th. Anyone else seeing this?

Thanks for your hard work on this WK

Kredence

EDIT: the namecoin-qt client just showed up with a second/new address that I don't recall adding. This has been confirmed with another friend/miner who has the same issue.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: azdarknet on March 14, 2014, 06:39:59 AM
Not sure if its related but I haven't gotten a nmc payout since the 8th. Also my min payout amount was changed from .1 to .03. I can tell you for sure that I did not change my min payout since I haven't opened my bitcoin wallet in weeks so I haven't been signing messages.

If its any help wizkid I can get you my address i use to mine to check logs etc.

EDIT - I also had set donation amounts and they also changed to 0.0.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 14, 2014, 07:23:55 AM
That's strange because I'm not getting pop-ups on other websites at all.  I'm using Chrome and when I use IE, I don't get any pop-ups... must be a Chrome issue. 
Chrome *IS* an issue... or perhaps an entire subscription, nay, library. Google has done some really cool stuff, and a few really odious things. Just below selling our personal data on the abomination list, sits Chrome.

It's a shame, too. It's open source derivatives are not bad. Certainly no Firefox, but not bad. Chrome started awful and has gotten worse with every iteration. My new phone has it as the default browser. Only reason I haven't changed it yet is because I intend to root the phone and install cyanogenmod.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 14, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
^ + 1

Yep. I'm off the pool until this is resolved. Shucks.
Why?

Since the issue is only with NMC why stop mining BTC.  With the 1TH's that I have here on this pool the NMC payouts are just a few extra dollars each time.


My minimum payouts were altered to .2
You sure about that.  The only thing on my account that was changed was the NMC address.

Just checked mine. My NMC addy is gone, and the payout was lowered to .011. I had it at .02.

Not cool. Not too concerned about the "lost" Namecoin, but if they can alter signed messages, that's not good. It was only those two things that were changed, and I don't keep either wallet hot, so I doubt there's a problem in the long run, but I do think I may use this as an opportunity to mine some altcoins for a couple of days.

Edit: I see that Wiz is on it, and will have it in hand. So I'm staying put for the moment. However, my page is still showing a blank for the Namecoin address and the payout is lower than what I had set. I'm leaving it alone for now. Not worried about the payout threshold, I'll put it back once the rest is resolved, but I'd like to know if I need to re-enter my namecoin address.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: blubberli on March 14, 2014, 07:40:26 AM
Fun fact:

My new NMC address starts with "NADumb"  ;D

I feel scared now.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 14, 2014, 07:53:51 AM
^ + 1

Yep. I'm off the pool until this is resolved. Shucks.
Why?

Since the issue is only with NMC why stop mining BTC.  With the 1TH's that I have here on this pool the NMC payouts are just a few extra dollars each time.


My minimum payouts were altered to .2
You sure about that.  The only thing on my account that was changed was the NMC address.

Just checked mine. My NMC addy is gone, and the payout was lowered to .011. I had it at .02.

Not cool. Not too concerned about the "lost" Namecoin, but if they can alter signed messages, that's not good. It was only those two things that were changed, and I don't keep either wallet hot, so I doubt there's a problem in the long run, but I do think I may use this as an opportunity to mine some altcoins for a couple of days.

Edit: I see that Wiz is on it, and will have it in hand. So I'm staying put for the moment. However, my page is still showing a blank for the Namecoin address and the payout is lower than what I had set. I'm leaving it alone for now. Not worried about the payout threshold, I'll put it back once the rest is resolved, but I'd like to know if I need to re-enter my namecoin address.


I recommend PetroDollar - P$ if you are mining alts... check it out. quite unique.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo on March 14, 2014, 08:57:27 AM
Just looking at when Wiz said mining was not affected... checking my account and most big users everyone's miners lost connection for a good part of the day on the just before the 12 March

Can this be explained as well as my payout limit being altered ?



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo on March 14, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
Also can anyone help me setup the NMC payout on my account.

My main BTC address is based on blockchain and I have an online NMC Address

How do I setup NMC on Eligus ? I have tried the sign message but failed to work

Need some assistance please


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on March 14, 2014, 09:11:15 AM
Just looking at when Wiz said mining was not affected... checking my account and most big users everyone's miners lost connection for a good part of the day on the just before the 12 March

Can this be explained as well as my payout limit being altered ?

WK addressed that here:

There is a minor artifact in the stats data (visible on the hash rate graphs) right around when the stats started having issues the other day.  The hash rate data for about a 2 hour time period is missing from the stats database.  I will see if I can easily pull this data over from the core database and get it fixed on the stats side.  If it ends up being too much of a PITA I'm probably going to just forget about it though.

This does not affect earnings in any way.  The reward system database (core database) has all of the correct data and rewards are always calculated from the core database.  It is basically just a stats artifact reflected in the hash rate graphs.  The blocks found in this time are reflected properly.

You were not disconnected.  The hashrate does not show up on the graphs, but your shares were accepted and your balance accrued just like it should.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: CroverNo on March 14, 2014, 09:22:02 AM
Just looking at when Wiz said mining was not affected... checking my account and most big users everyone's miners lost connection for a good part of the day on the just before the 12 March

Can this be explained as well as my payout limit being altered ?

WK addressed that here:

There is a minor artifact in the stats data (visible on the hash rate graphs) right around when the stats started having issues the other day.  The hash rate data for about a 2 hour time period is missing from the stats database.  I will see if I can easily pull this data over from the core database and get it fixed on the stats side.  If it ends up being too much of a PITA I'm probably going to just forget about it though.

This does not affect earnings in any way.  The reward system database (core database) has all of the correct data and rewards are always calculated from the core database.  It is basically just a stats artifact reflected in the hash rate graphs.  The blocks found in this time are reflected properly.

You were not disconnected.  The hashrate does not show up on the graphs, but your shares were accepted and your balance accrued just like it should.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I did try to lookback but was just getting muddled in the attacker stuff going on.

Cheers


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 14, 2014, 10:00:09 AM
Just checked mine. My NMC addy is gone, and the payout was lowered to .011. I had it at .02.

Not cool. Not too concerned about the "lost" Namecoin, but if they can alter signed messages, that's not good. It was only those two things that were changed, and I don't keep either wallet hot, so I doubt there's a problem in the long run, but I do think I may use this as an opportunity to mine some altcoins for a couple of days.

Edit: I see that Wiz is on it, and will have it in hand. So I'm staying put for the moment. However, my page is still showing a blank for the Namecoin address and the payout is lower than what I had set. I'm leaving it alone for now. Not worried about the payout threshold, I'll put it back once the rest is resolved, but I'd like to know if I need to re-enter my namecoin address.
Just checked mine and my payout remained unchanged, but my NMC address was blank. I'm sure WK will go through the data and calculate who lost how many NMC when and how much they should have from their BTC mining and pay everyone out accordingly, but this has not happened before afaik, so there's probably a lot of manual work to be done.

I've just re-entered my NMC address anyway because it only takes a minute or two  ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 14, 2014, 10:06:31 AM
Also can anyone help me setup the NMC payout on my account.

My main BTC address is based on blockchain and I have an online NMC Address

How do I setup NMC on Eligus ? I have tried the sign message but failed to work

Need some assistance please
At the risk of going OT here: you can find how to sign a bitcoin message here: https://blockchain.info/wallet/wallet-faq, right down the bottom.
Then just go in to you MyEligius settings page and enter your NMC address, copy the message out of the first text box and sign that with your blockchain address and copy the signed message to the second text box on MyEligius and hit Submit Changes... that should do it.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 14, 2014, 10:16:55 AM
As mentioned, everyone's options should have been returned to the last valid-signature state.  Meaning that whatever the settings are now is what they were actually set to by their owners... if this appears to not be the case for anyone, please PM me your bitcoin address either here or on IRC and I will investigate.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 14, 2014, 10:18:24 AM
Just checked mine. My NMC addy is gone, and the payout was lowered to .011. I had it at .02.

Not cool. Not too concerned about the "lost" Namecoin, but if they can alter signed messages, that's not good. It was only those two things that were changed, and I don't keep either wallet hot, so I doubt there's a problem in the long run, but I do think I may use this as an opportunity to mine some altcoins for a couple of days.

Edit: I see that Wiz is on it, and will have it in hand. So I'm staying put for the moment. However, my page is still showing a blank for the Namecoin address and the payout is lower than what I had set. I'm leaving it alone for now. Not worried about the payout threshold, I'll put it back once the rest is resolved, but I'd like to know if I need to re-enter my namecoin address.
Just checked mine and my payout remained unchanged, but my NMC address was blank. I'm sure WK will go through the data and calculate who lost how many NMC when and how much they should have from their BTC mining and pay everyone out accordingly, but this has not happened before afaik, so there's probably a lot of manual work to be done.

I've just re-entered my NMC address anyway because it only takes a minute or two  ;)

Yeah, I'll give it a day or two. If it's not back the way it was, I'll re-enter it. I did decide to take Raskul's advice for a minute, but it's not lack of trust. He just found an interesting coin. I figure I'll give it a day for the lulz if nothing else, and then come back here.

WK always gets the bumps smoothed out. Just seems to be a lot of them this month. He's gotta have balls of steel to keep up with this shit :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 14, 2014, 10:23:12 AM
I did decide to take Raskul's advice for a minute, but it's not lack of trust. He just found an interesting coin. I figure I'll give it a day for the lulz if nothing else, and then come back here.

it was great speaking to you mate, we should do it regular. Keep me informed on any new thing happening that I might miss!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 14, 2014, 10:27:19 AM
As mentioned, everyone's options should have been returned to the last valid-signature state.  Meaning that whatever the settings are now is what they were actually set to by their owners... if this appears to not be the case for anyone, please PM me your bitcoin address either here or on IRC and I will investigate.

-wk

PM sent.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 14, 2014, 10:28:25 AM
I did decide to take Raskul's advice for a minute, but it's not lack of trust. He just found an interesting coin. I figure I'll give it a day for the lulz if nothing else, and then come back here.

it was great speaking to you mate, we should do it regular. Keep me informed on any new thing happening that I might miss!

Will do! And I agree. Have fun at work.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: merv77 on March 14, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
wow down 1PH/s, to 4.2PH/s
did the NMC hack scare off a few big boys?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 14, 2014, 11:24:50 AM
wow down 1PH/s, to 4.2PH/s
did the NMC hack scare off a few big boys?

KNC moved last 1PH/s out

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HellDiverUK on March 14, 2014, 12:06:20 PM
Aw crap, failsafe again. *sigh*

This last few days isn't exactly giving me a warm fuzzy feeling where Eligius is concerned.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 14, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
As mentioned, everyone's options should have been returned to the last valid-signature state.  Meaning that whatever the settings are now is what they were actually set to by their owners... if this appears to not be the case for anyone, please PM me your bitcoin address either here or on IRC and I will investigate.

-wk

PM sent.

Me too my NMC address dissapeared. I'm sending a PM


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 14, 2014, 02:04:30 PM
Not that it matters for me, but a lot of fail-safe and stats in maintenance's lately .  :'(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: hot_gpu on March 14, 2014, 03:43:47 PM
Do you lose what we mine now?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 14, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
Do you lose what we mine now?

no


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: hot_gpu on March 14, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
thx raskul


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 14, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Stats are down again...  I was just about to get a pay out (after a 12 block delay) and now it looks like it will be delayed further.  Any chance of a manual payout to get everything caught up?  It seems like as soon as it's almost caught up, something happens and it gets delayed.  I haven't had a payout for four days and I usually get at least one per day. 

Thanks.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: kodiak1120 on March 14, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
Bueller?  Bueller?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 14, 2014, 08:13:23 PM
Soon we have 2 000 000$ Payout que  :o i think its past 2000btc by now and whole day of stats backlog ontop  :-\

Hold tight wizkid promised to look it up tonight.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on March 14, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Stats are down again...  I was just about to get a pay out (after a 12 block delay) and now it looks like it will be delayed further.  Any chance of a manual payout to get everything caught up?  It seems like as soon as it's almost caught up, something happens and it gets delayed.  I haven't had a payout for four days and I usually get at least one per day. 

Thanks.

To be realistic about it, these problems are a regular occurrence now and if you aren't prepared to just wait it out, it is probably best to move on to a different pool. The constant whining every time it happens (not saying its you every time, I don't know, it might be different people) is not going to help.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Unacceptable on March 14, 2014, 09:25:38 PM
Stats are down again...  I was just about to get a pay out (after a 12 block delay) and now it looks like it will be delayed further.  Any chance of a manual payout to get everything caught up?  It seems like as soon as it's almost caught up, something happens and it gets delayed.  I haven't had a payout for four days and I usually get at least one per day. 

Thanks.

To be realistic about it, these problems are a regular occurrence now and if you aren't prepared to just wait it out, it is probably best to move on to a different pool. The constant whining every time it happens (not saying its you every time, I don't know, it might be different people) is not going to help.



So this is the "tough guy" pool  ???  No wonder I don't fit in...................  ::) 

If I wanted to use the pool as a bank,I would not have set my payout to .05 BTC,which in my case is  2 payouts per day...........as it stands its a payout every 4 days & has been for almost 2 weeks  ::)

Don't worry smooth,I have moved on  :P


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 14, 2014, 09:28:08 PM
have we turned into a DGM 30TH pool?  :D at least with a DGM 3-week wait, returns make themselves up on short rounds!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Todamont on March 14, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
I'm also moving on from Eligius today. Seems like I've lost some payout here. I no longer trust eligius as a pool.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sdjernes on March 14, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
Hey Everyone,

I love my eye candy as much as the next guy.  I just found out from this forum that I could add an underline and a miner name to my BTC address to break out the stats "Yummy Graphs".

As long as the backend keeps kicking along and making money I am happy. BTC has pretty much stabilized for the time being so it isn't like I have to convert on the fly. If you are paying your house payment with BTC Mining you need a job.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 14, 2014, 10:54:11 PM
One would think that most wallets here are interest bearing vehicles...  A few more days, or even a week, means little to me.  While I would like to see things run a little smoother, I'm staying.  I have every confidence that we'll all be made whole in the end.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on March 14, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
Don't worry smooth,I have moved on  :P

It's not personal for me, I have no stake in this pool other than using it a little. (I mostly use p2pool.)  

I just think people should be realistic about it. Isn't it a month or so of these frequent stats problems, failsafe mode, delayed payouts, etc.? Nothing bad has come of it ultimately (all delayed payments were made as far as I know), but the practical reality is this pool can't be relied upon for smooth steady payments, and it won't be reasonable to rely on those until some period of operating that way has been demonstrated. It has other advantages still (which is why I use it).


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 15, 2014, 12:03:53 AM
So this is the "tough guy" pool  ???  No wonder I don't fit in...................  ::) 

If I wanted to use the pool as a bank,I would not have set my payout to .05 BTC,which in my case is  2 payouts per day...........as it stands its a payout every 4 days & has been for almost 2 weeks  ::)

Don't worry smooth,I have moved on  :P

Upon examining your reply and then your avatar, I find I then am all but forced to arrive at the following humble suggestion:

Physician, heal thyself.   ;)

Thanks for all the hard work wk.  I know I number among many who say we appreciate all your effort and attention to detail.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 15, 2014, 01:26:34 AM
*sigh*

Seems we cant catch a break. :(

I left this morning, and within an hour of me leaving CPPSRB went into failsafe.  I was traveling most of the day and wasn't able to set it to recover until ~8 hours later... which is making for a slow catch up.

I decided to hold off on NMC payouts for the moment until I can go through the information provided by everyone regarding changes.  Seems the core copy of the database rejected some people's invalid signature options in an update (with the false NMC address).  So, the core database was missing some random people's options, which seems to be why some people's options have reset to nothing (because I wiped out all options containing the false NMC address/invalid signatures).

I will use the latest backup from before the incident to reverify everyone's options/NMC address and check it against the database before issuing some NMC payouts/backpay.  No worries.

As for a BTC manual payout, it was on my agenda to do tonight, but with the reward system out of sync I can not get a valid payout list, so I have to wait until that is ready.  Hopefully it doesn't take too long and I can still get it done before I get to sleep tonight.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: BuildTheFuture on March 15, 2014, 02:06:10 AM
When you restore the NMC addresses from backup, please try to avoid blanking out/overwriting any that were put in place after the date of the backup. I just started mining to one BTC address yesterday and only had configured the NMC stuff in the last 24 hrs. But I have it the way I want it now, no need to blank it out a 2nd time.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wizkid057 on March 15, 2014, 02:08:45 AM
When you restore the NMC addresses from backup, please try to avoid blanking out/overwriting any that were put in place after the date of the backup. I just started mining to one BTC address yesterday and only had configured the NMC stuff in the last 24 hrs. But I have it the way I want it now, no need to blank it out a 2nd time.

No worries, valid signatures/options after the backup date will be left alone, unless you accidentally signed options containing the bogus NMC address, which will cause them to get deleted.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 15, 2014, 02:35:47 AM
This pattern of late payments and stats being offline may be old hat for you guys, but it is a bit challenging for those of us who are brand new to mining btc and wanting to track the profitability of our brand new equipment.

WizKid, thank you for your efforts, I hope they result in increased stability.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: flounderella on March 15, 2014, 02:50:18 AM
So to summarize: shares are being accepted okay, so continue hashing away normally without looking at the stats too much. And from your side, you'll work to restore from backups as well as do a manual payout when everything is all good.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 15, 2014, 05:49:21 AM
I just finished watching the movie "300."  Why does it make me think of wizkid?  Hmmm...

The image of Hercules holding up the world also comes to mind.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Todamont on March 15, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
Wizkid eligius is a 1-man show? Why not hire an assistant?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 15, 2014, 06:21:07 AM
Wizkid eligius is a 1-man show? Why not hire an assistant?
Are you donating a salary to hire an assistant with?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 15, 2014, 06:37:58 AM
Wizkid eligius is a 1-man show? Why not hire an assistant?
Are you donating a salary to hire an assistant with?

Not at my current hashrate. Give me time :D

Seriously would if I could.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: praeluceo on March 15, 2014, 06:39:10 AM
Wizkid eligius is a 1-man show? Why not hire an assistant?

It's a 0% fee pool. I'm sure some people donate, and maybe they get some hardware from the bfgminer stuff, but I doubt it's enough to quite their day jobs, let alone hire extra staff. Perhaps a building too? With a personal assistant that makes espressos for Luke Jr. and Wizkid every morning when they come in to work in their suits and ties, set their briefcases down on their mahogany desks, flip through their roll-o-dex, and randomly call other CEOs to trash talk the "little fish" that they're about to squash under the might of their multi-billion dollar...zero fee Bitcoin pool.

Sorry, you got my imaginer going again. Gotta keep that sucker tucked away...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 15, 2014, 06:44:28 AM
I haven't discussed this with wizkid057 yet, but I just wanted to get an idea of the community's thoughts on it:
What if Eligius had a mandatory 0.5% fee per every % of the network we get over 25%?
So 27% of the bitcoin network would make a 1% fee.
The fee would include existing donation %s (possibly disabled entirely for outside-the-automatic-system donors), so you could still direct where you wanted your portion used.

Opinions? :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Todamont on March 15, 2014, 06:48:43 AM
I'd pay a 0.5% fee if it meant updated stats pages and 99% uptime. Not that I have terrashes to throw around or anything but I don't think it is unreasonable for pool maintenance. Hell, even at 0.1% that should generate some significant revenue.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bitblazing on March 15, 2014, 06:55:17 AM
Id pay the fee only if the stats work and arent down all the time. Also payouts would need to be prompt.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: shaxs on March 15, 2014, 07:02:25 AM
Id pay the fee only if the stats work and arent down all the time. Also payouts would need to be prompt.

Same here as well.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 15, 2014, 07:13:30 AM
I haven't discussed this with wizkid057 yet, but I just wanted to get an idea of the community's thoughts on it:
What if Eligius had a mandatory 0.5% fee per every % of the network we get over 25%?
So 27% of the bitcoin network would make a 1% fee.
The fee would include existing donation %s (possibly disabled entirely for outside-the-automatic-system donors), so you could still direct where you wanted your portion used.

Opinions? :)
l already pay 1%. Got no issue with it being mandatory.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 15, 2014, 07:21:10 AM
I'm already donating 1%, so the concept doesn't offend me.  That said, Eligius has a scaling problem, possibly in hardware, but definitely in human cycles.  I have to think there's some happy pool members that are professionally employed in IT fields that might be willing to lend some time & expertise?  Quite frankly, there's probably quite a bit of benefit to be gained without every granting any of us unvetted types access to anything.  From analyzing SAR reports to identify architectural bottlenecks, to avid PHP'ers performing an audit of the stats code, perhaps even a DBA to make some performance suggestions to the database schema.

Just spitballing, of course.  Be nice to see how many here would be willing to throw their hat in the ring, assuming Wiz would be open to delegating a little...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 15, 2014, 07:21:38 AM
I haven't discussed this with wizkid057 yet, but I just wanted to get an idea of the community's thoughts on it:
What if Eligius had a mandatory 0.5% fee per every % of the network we get over 25%?
So 27% of the bitcoin network would make a 1% fee.
The fee would include existing donation %s (possibly disabled entirely for outside-the-automatic-system donors), so you could still direct where you wanted your portion used.

Opinions? :)
I'm not opposed to the general concept, but I think the implementation would need to be tweaked. Either there would need to be an announcement, or some kind of scaling factors (like the donation % is the cube root of the increase over 25%). The variability could be too great otherwise; you could be set up running 0 fees at 23 or 24% of the network, and two days later find that KnC switched their 10% of the network back to Eligius while they did a major upgrade to their soloing software and you're now running at a pool with almost a 5% fee.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Artheus on March 15, 2014, 07:31:08 AM
I haven't discussed this with wizkid057 yet, but I just wanted to get an idea of the community's thoughts on it:
What if Eligius had a mandatory 0.5% fee per every % of the network we get over 25%?
So 27% of the bitcoin network would make a 1% fee.
The fee would include existing donation %s (possibly disabled entirely for outside-the-automatic-system donors), so you could still direct where you wanted your portion used.

Opinions? :)

Is the purpose of the fee to help fund the maintenance of the pool, or to restrict the pool from growing too large?  


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 15, 2014, 07:34:30 AM
I haven't discussed this with wizkid057 yet, but I just wanted to get an idea of the community's thoughts on it:
What if Eligius had a mandatory 0.5% fee per every % of the network we get over 25%?
So 27% of the bitcoin network would make a 1% fee.
The fee would include existing donation %s (possibly disabled entirely for outside-the-automatic-system donors), so you could still direct where you wanted your portion used.

Opinions? :)

Is the purpose of the fee to help fund the maintenance of the pool, or to restrict the pool from growing too large?  
Both. One idea might be to direct some amount of the funds toward completing GBT support so the pool can safely grow beyond 30% without hurting the network.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 15, 2014, 09:00:51 AM
I am also donating 1% (provided it hasn't been set back to zero) so I'm not offended.   Yeah, I'm musing, how does a technically "non-profit" organization scale?  Answer, donations toward specific projects.  You know, like the United Way building a new cafeteria for the deaf kids school... something like that.

If we want the pool to grow, give six-sigma reliability and one minute payouts, we need to donate toward projects supporting those goals.  It would be more work for all involved, but the case could be made to set up donation buckets for specific projects.  Ie. Project 1) Buy some kick-ass high power servers with gobs of SAN storage; Project 2, Pay a vendor to assist with installing said equipment; Project 3, Pay a minimal wage to a computer-major college student to monitor specific aspects of the pool software and hardware (while they do their homework) and train them to be able to react to certain situations.  The college kid gets priceless experience helping to run a cryptocurrency pool in a datacenter, we get a set of eyes on the health of the pool (that can do something about it) when Wizkid and Luke aren't available.  Wizkid and Luke would even get the opportunity to mentor someone in person!  <gasp!>  No time like the present to hone those leadership skills guys.  You've started a business, whether you are ready for it or not.

I think folks would get more enthused about stuff like that rather than just paying some percentage, not to mention the added financial transparency.  We'd see things like "Only 10.5BTC left to be donated and we can get the five XYZ Superservers with the 16 Exabytes of 2ms SAN storage!"

Other pools are only in it for the profit.  By running a zero fee pool we already know Wizkid and Luke have an altruistic streak. 

Another option is to go the Ghash.io route, sell shares of stock.

Let's think outside the box people.

I'd help in any way possible within the limits of my time and finances.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 15, 2014, 12:37:18 PM
I don't mind donating if it would help the pool to improve upon what it is. Maybe a faster payout would be nice.  :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: shaxs on March 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Id pay the fee only if the stats work and arent down all the time. Also payouts would need to be prompt.

Same here as well.

Let me elaborate here. I am very new to mining. I started on the 13th and used Eligius to start based on a good reputation and stats page. Some of my mining equipment is shared/half paid for by a friend as part of a partnership. Being able for us to see the stats publicly for him is nice since the equipment is run at my house.

I also run a business so I understand paying for a service. I am perfectly fine to help pay towards maintaining the service, building it out properly, and heck even helping to compensate the people who put it together and run it. I appreciate the effort and hard work.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: shaxs on March 15, 2014, 03:34:53 PM
On a sort of related note.... the FAQ page is down  :o

Now that stats are update I checked out the payment queue. I dont understand the process so I was looking at the FAQ page but alas. I have a few questions. Looking at the pool there are some people are months or weeks "old". Then there are 6, 5, 4, ect days old. Does this mean those people havent been paid out their balances in that time frame?

My stats say "1206.19151064 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 48 block delay". What kind of delay is this going to cause? Finding myself in the overall payout queue, I am pretty far down there ;) What kind of turn around should I be expecting to receive payout after I hit the minimum threshold?

Thank you for your help and answers.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 15, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
Stats page is down again with an

"Internal Server Error"

:(


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 15, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
site totally fubar?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 15, 2014, 04:46:24 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings. 
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 15, 2014, 04:49:05 PM
Stats page is down again with an

"Internal Server Error"

:(

It's down again.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 15, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings. 
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 15, 2014, 04:55:17 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings. 
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

My miner has not switched to the failover pool.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Pcpoet on March 15, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings.  
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

I hope someone can clarify soon.....  I'm pondering if my miner is hashing still.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 15, 2014, 05:07:51 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings.  
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

I hope someone can clarify soon.....  I'm pondering if my miner is hashing still.

Watching as well.

A well designed pool has it's front end (the part you see when you go to the website) separate from the backend (the part that does that mine processing).  Since the workers haven't failed over, chances are all is well.  We just can't see it. :)

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 15, 2014, 05:10:15 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings.  
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

I hope someone can clarify soon.....  I'm pondering if my miner is hashing still.

Watching as well.

A well designed pool has it's front end (the part you see when you go to the website) separate from the backend (the part that does that mine processing).  Since the workers haven't failed over, chances are all is well.  We just can't see it. :)

M

i presumed so, just feel it's a bit too often these days  :-\


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Webbie on March 15, 2014, 05:48:17 PM
Starting to happen a little to much, You would think by donating would help improve the site, and speed up the payouts to who donate...seems like a no brainer to me...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Todamont on March 15, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
Stats have been down for like 48 hours, now the site is completely down. That's just unnaceptable for one of the largest pools, or really any site at all. I just am skeptical that this is all being used as a front for pool operators absconding with coins that should have gone to the miners. Admittedly I have a hard time trusting Christians or "altruists".


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: flounderella on March 15, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 15, 2014, 05:57:20 PM
Stats have been down for like 48 hours, now the site is completely down. That's just unnaceptable for one of the largest pools, or really any site at all. I just am skeptical that this is all being used as a front for pool operators absconding with coins that should have gone to the miners. Admittedly I have a hard time trusting Christians or "altruists".

Pick your poison.

Pay 3% at BTC Guild and have a rock solid site.

Pay nothing, except optional donations here, and the system can be unstable.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HypnoticGuy on March 15, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings.  
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

I hope someone can clarify soon.....  I'm pondering if my miner is hashing still.

Watching as well.

A well designed pool has it's front end (the part you see when you go to the website) separate from the backend (the part that does that mine processing).  Since the workers haven't failed over, chances are all is well.  We just can't see it. :)

M

I presumed so, just feel it's a bit too often these days  :-\
The last time it went into fail safe mode I know that my miners were still hashing, and Eligius was still accumulating my Bitcoin.  When they came back up my total was right about where I estimated it should be.  If your miners were producing Bitcoin before the public site went down, and you haven't changed anything, I wouldn't worry.

I agree that this seems to be happening a bit too often these days.  However, I have a hunch it's because Eligius is probably growing and gaining more hashrate rather quickly.  Eligius is always 2nd or 3rd largest pool as far as hash rate in the rankings.  https://blockchain.info/pools

The way I see it this is new technology, and it's a learning experience for all involved.  It's not like wizkid or anybody else has had a chance to come into this with 10 years of experience.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HypnoticGuy on March 15, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.



This is something I have difficulty understanding.  Your mining rig isn't going to run any faster in another pool, and it's definitely going to cost you more to mine somewhere else.

So, you can stay and get the exact BTC you should get when things are back online (they have always paid in the past), or you can leave and lose a percentage in fees, and have less BTC at the same point in time as Eligius will eventually pay out.

It makes absolutely no sense to me that anyone would leave, unless you like paying a fee to see pretty numbers and charts.  The end result of leaving is you end up with less BTC.

Oh, and if getting ripped off is a concern, Eligius has a history of always paying out, and I can't imagine they would stop all of a sudden.  Heck, ANY pool could pack up and bail at any moment, stealing from all the members even if their stats are working perfectly.  Stats being down on Eligius certainly isn't a sign that there's a higher risk of being ripped off.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 15, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.



+ 1. Everyday it's something.

i've now gone to bitparking. if we need to wait so long for payouts, i may as well work on a DGM pool... and get some shitcoins in the process.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 15, 2014, 06:18:37 PM
This is something I have difficulty understanding.  Your mining rig isn't going to run any faster in another pool, and it's definitely going to cost you more to mine somewhere else.

Not necessarily. Eclipse (no I have no connection to them really) does DGM with no fees (but they do keep the tx fees IIRC), and p2pool is no fee as well. Technically it doesn't matter if you mine with a pool or mine solo, your payout over time should be identical. However "time" can be centuries if you mine alone.

That is one question on my mind: Do large pools have any luck advantage because as they generate blocks they have a head start on the next block due to propagation delays? The advantage might be small, but if it's cumulative it could be a problem.

Also a larger pool might have a lower percentage of rejected blocks, it's small but there.

As for fees, neither eclipse or eligius charge fees, however I always seem to have 3% in my "shelved shares", and Eclipse's luck always seems to hover around 47-48%. Actually that might mean a 4-6% less payout, correct?

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It makes absolutely no sense to me that anyone would leave, unless you like paying a fee to see pretty numbers and charts.  The end result of leaving is you end up with less BTC.
One of the biggest draws of Eligius for me (aside from the trust in the provider) is the stats allow me to match my system performance with what they are seeing. On Eclipse I sometimes see a bit less, and I wonder if that's due to lag, pool quality, or chance. I wish they had longer running stats so I could see what my systems were doing.

What I might do is split my 900+gh between three pools: 300 for Eclipse, 300 for Eligius, 300 for p2pool. Once Eligius comes back to a stable state, if they're having capacity problems I will point my stuff elsewhere even though it costs me a bit in that rock-solid reliability I have grown to trust.

C

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HypnoticGuy on March 15, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.



+ 1. Everyday it's something.

i've now gone to bitparking. if we need to wait so long for payouts, i may as well work on a DGM pool... and get some shitcoins in the process.

Wait so long?  Was there something you needed to buy immediately, and you need your payout right away?  Otherwise, what does it really matter if you end up getting the coins you are supposed to get at the point in time when they are able to pay out?

In fact, if you really do have some kind of emergency and you need your coins immediately I bet wizkid would take the time to do a manual payout if you emailed him privately.  I can't speak for him, and I am not sure he'd do it, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

However, if there's no emergency, and you aren't just dying to spend your coins on something right away, I don't see what the issue is in regards to having to wait.  Now, if the rent is due today, you pay it in BTC, and you don't have enough in your wallet now, then I can understand.  But, if you are just going to hold the BTC in a wallet then it really doesn't matter as long as we eventually get paid what we are supposed to be paid, and I have no doubt we will.

Or am I missing something here?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: aminorex on March 15, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Wait so long?  Was there something you needed to buy immediately, and you need your payout right away?  Otherwise, what does it really matter if you end up getting the coins you are supposed to get at the point in time when they are able to pay out?

The vast majority of Eligius miner's don't know and don't trust the operators of the pool.  They use it because it is the low fee option.  Once the risk (meaning queued payouts) becomes greater than the reward (call it 1% of mining), then they leave.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HypnoticGuy on March 15, 2014, 06:45:27 PM

That is one question on my mind: Do large pools have any luck advantage because as they generate blocks they have a head start on the next block due to propagation delays? The advantage might be small, but if it's cumulative it could be a problem.

Also a larger pool might have a lower percentage of rejected blocks, it's small but there.

As for fees, neither eclipse or eligius charge fees, however I always seem to have 3% in my "shelved shares", and Eclipse's luck always seems to hover around 47-48%. Actually that might mean a 4-6% less payout, correct?

It is my understanding that if you leave this pool eventually you will still get your 3% or whatever shelved shares.  I thought I saw that posted by someone on Reddit the other day.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.  I'd be interested in knowing, just in case I decide to leave for a better pool.....oh wait...Eligius is the best. Never mind. :-)

I hadn't thought of it but I guess having a head start on the next block in larger pools can help, but Eligius is consistently pool #2 or #3.  I wonder how much difference it would make over time compared to #1.

In regards to luck however, no matter what pool, my hunch is that over time it balances out across the entire Bitcoin network.  Sort of like Vegas.  Whether you are having a bad streak, or a lucky streak, the house odds are going to be the same over time.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: HypnoticGuy on March 15, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
Wait so long?  Was there something you needed to buy immediately, and you need your payout right away?  Otherwise, what does it really matter if you end up getting the coins you are supposed to get at the point in time when they are able to pay out?

The vast majority of Eligius miner's don't know and don't trust the operators of the pool.  They use it because it is the low fee option.  Once the risk (meaning queued payouts) becomes greater than the reward (call it 1% of mining), then they leave.


But the thing is, ANY pool can be ripping off their members, even if they have the prettiest, most reliable stats.  For all the members of BTC Guild know it's taking members a few minutes longer than it's supposed to each day to mine a certain amount, and that hash time is going to the head cheese at BTC Guild. Heck, I am sure there are ways to skim off coins that most people wouldn't even understand. 

Nobody knows for sure.  However, I do know that Eligius has always paid out eventually, and I am in no hurry to spend my BTC, so I can wait....UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY when I am ordering an S1. I better have my damn payout by then! :-)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 15, 2014, 06:54:38 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings.  
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

I hope someone can clarify soon.....  I'm pondering if my miner is hashing still.

As of 12:46 pm Mountain Time, my miner is still hashing away. Stats page is 504.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 15, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
site totally fubar?

eligius.st is not responding to pings.  
Server is either offline, or the network connection is broken.

this is bad  :(
i've been mining alt SHA256 coins since this morning so my miners aren't pointing to eligius for now, can someone clarify if their miners are still hashing?

I hope someone can clarify soon.....  I'm pondering if my miner is hashing still.

As of 12:46 pm Mountain Time, my miner is still hashing away. Stats page is 504.

thanks for clarifying that. I have no doubt the pool is still working away ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on March 15, 2014, 07:28:49 PM
Just checked in for the first time since yesterday afternoon (CST). Site showing 504 here, too, but the miners I have directed at Eligius have never switched to failover during the past week or two where the site has been really, really buggy.

payouts also slow, the same as with the rest. wasn't really an 'issue' until yesterday, when i decided to buy another miner. that isn't the fault of Eligius though, so i'm not assigning blame. i had had a few small purchases the day prior and my 'hot' wallet was a little depleted. the additional miner was spur-of-the-moment, and thought i had enough to cover it. not a big deal. just took a little out of the cold wallet, and will be able to replace what i took out within a few days i'm sure.

as for the fees in discussion... i think they're a good idea on the surface. i agree with others who are posting that a little thought needs to be put into on how these truly would be implemented. i think most who post here regularly, or follow this thread regularly, as i don't really post too often, donate at least some portion back to the pool. i'm sure that most do not. it's free, and they simply latch onto that. donating takes effort, and if your sole draw to the pool is the lack of fees, i doubt a person in the frame of mind would donate.

for those who aren't donating, if you like the pool, stop bitching and donate. even if you are like me and don't have a lot of hashing power, you can still pony up 0.5%-1%. you're not going to notice it.

that all said, it is odd that the site has been as wonky as it's has been, and the payout mechanism is much, much slower. i don't mind if i get the minimum once per day, or 3 or 4 times that a few days down the road. i'm mainly just hopeful that whatever is causing the issues can be resolved without a lot more hassle to the operators, since whatever is causing the problem seems to still be lingering, meaning it must not be obvious or easy.

good luck WK, and Luke. i'll drop by another time to catch up on the latest news.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lightfoot on March 15, 2014, 07:32:58 PM
I hadn't thought of it but I guess having a head start on the next block in larger pools can help, but Eligius is consistently pool #2 or #3.  I wonder how much difference it would make over time compared to #1.

I'm not sure. Technically you can't hold the answer for long; if someone else gets it you totally lose. But if you have huge hashing it might be worth it, I don't know. Then again I am probably missing something very very basic, anyone?

Quote
In regards to luck however, no matter what pool, my hunch is that over time it balances out across the entire Bitcoin network.  Sort of like Vegas.  Whether you are having a bad streak, or a lucky streak, the house odds are going to be the same over time.

And that is what I am hanging my hat on right now. It's maddening, but quite true that any pool might never find a block again. Or they might find a thousand blocks in sequence. But over time everything averages out.

Even the 3%, 4%, and 70% luck I am looking at now. Everything. If not then everyone will go to one pool and that will be it for Bitcoin.

C


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 15, 2014, 07:37:30 PM
I hadn't thought of it but I guess having a head start on the next block in larger pools can help, but Eligius is consistently pool #2 or #3.  I wonder how much difference it would make over time compared to #1.

I'm not sure. Technically you can't hold the answer for long; if someone else gets it you totally lose. But if you have huge hashing it might be worth it, I don't know. Then again I am probably missing something very very basic, anyone?

One thing large pools have over smaller pools is they are more likely to be able to build on their own block, hence reducing orphans, since the longest chain wins.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: smooth on March 15, 2014, 07:37:49 PM
It is my understanding that if you leave this pool eventually you will still get your 3% or whatever shelved shares.

You may get the 3%. You are still eligible for payouts but whether old shares get paid out depends on luck.The older they are the more luck would be required to ever pay them (and therefore the less likely they are to get paid).

BTW, luck has been somewhat poor recently which is why you are seeing 97% payouts (sometimes less). I've seen 99%+ at times in the past.

The head start effect is real but the value is very small. It would only matter if you solve another block very quickly (within a few seconds). Most of the time it doesn't matter.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: BillTech on March 15, 2014, 08:09:50 PM
stats back up


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sikke on March 15, 2014, 09:14:50 PM
stats back up

And some massive manual payouts done. Closer to 1500BTC
So everyone can be happy again. Wizkid just paid 1000000$ to miners.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: BillTech on March 15, 2014, 10:11:57 PM
stats back up

And some massive manual payouts done. Closer to 1500BTC
So everyone can be happy again. Wizkid just paid 1000000$ to miners.

I noticed  ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bizzyb on March 15, 2014, 10:26:36 PM
I haven't discussed this with wizkid057 yet, but I just wanted to get an idea of the community's thoughts on it:
What if Eligius had a mandatory 0.5% fee per every % of the network we get over 25%?
So 27% of the bitcoin network would make a 1% fee.
The fee would include existing donation %s (possibly disabled entirely for outside-the-automatic-system donors), so you could still direct where you wanted your portion used.

Opinions? :)
I really hope you guys start charging a fee.
There's a lot to be said about being the best rather than the biggest.
Yes, you'd lose some TH if you charged a fee, but most will either not care, not Notice or be quite happy as long as they saw results.
I'm not alone in thinking you guys should be getting a decent remuneration and be able to aggressively invest and improve eligius.
A fixed rate of between 0.75-1.5% seems totally reasonable.
It seems the pool has reached tipping point and now is the time to make that decision, and most miners will support that.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: sdjernes on March 16, 2014, 02:13:03 AM
To all those that think our friend WizKid should charge a fee:

DONATE

I am running a puny 475Ghs setup compared to most of you. I donate 1% to each category. My system is also running MinePeon for 127Ghs of the total so it donates 15 minutes a day.

Our friends do not arbitrarily charge us for things but they would like us to willingly help out where we can. Think of it this way if a friend drives you around because your car is in the shop, you are going to maturely offer him/her gas money and maybe dinner for their troubles.

Thanks,
Shawn


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: flounderella on March 16, 2014, 03:27:11 AM
I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong. I've always supported Eligius and donated my fair share and pointed most of my hash here but I'm a small (sub 1TH) miner and stats are important to me to know where things stand and maybe because I'm OCD about it. I don't expect pretty charts, just a working simple html page will do. Hope things improve because I really want this pool to shine having spent so much time at it.

And yeah I'm still here mostly (2/3rd at Eligius and 1/3rd at the evil Ghash.io because frequent payouts are sometimes nice too)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 16, 2014, 05:18:28 AM
Quote
AUTO-NOTICE: The CPPSRB reward system appears to be in fail-safe mode.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Rock6.3 on March 16, 2014, 05:23:25 AM
Quote
AUTO-NOTICE: The CPPSRB reward system appears to be in fail-safe mode.

And we are back to normal, but my place in payment que went from 8 block delay to not yet eligible for payment.... (cry)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 16, 2014, 05:49:49 AM
I learned a lesson today that disenchanted me with Eligius, pool mining and Bitcoin in general.

Last night, one of my miners found a block.  Hope against hope, it found a block!   :o  With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  That's $15,750!  The things I could do with that amount of money.  I could pay for the miners I had gone into debt to purchase and still have a nice chiunk of pocket change!  Stats were still offline so I couldn't see the impact.  I went to bed.

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.

Given my inability to afford to purchase at least 100TH of mining power, I will never know the joy of mining a block and receiving the full reward.  I could try mining solo, but I may never see that level of luck again in my lifetime without the aforementioned 100TH of mining power, and the target keeps rising.  With each person or group that struggles to surpass the competition by having more mining power that most of the pack, the difficulty rises almost exponentially.

In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers.  Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man!  This shall be its fatal flaw that will either make Bitcoin fail entirely, or cause it to become just another currency used to manipulate and control the masses.

<sigh>


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Unacceptable on March 16, 2014, 06:05:44 AM
I learned a lesson today that disenchanted me with Eligius, pool mining and Bitcoin in general.

Last night, one of my miners found a block.  Hope against hope, it found a block!   :o  With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  That's $15,750!  The things I could do with that amount of money.  I could pay for the miners I had gone into debt to purchase and still have a nice chiunk of pocket change!  Stats were still offline so I couldn't see the impact.  I went to bed.

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.

Given my inability to afford to purchase at least 100TH of mining power, I will never know the joy of mining a block and receiving the full reward.  I could try mining solo, but I may never see that level of luck again in my lifetime without the aforementioned 100TH of mining power, and the target keeps rising.  With each person or group that struggles to surpass the competition by having more mining power that most of the pack, the difficulty rises almost exponentially.

In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers.  Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man!  This shall be its fatal flaw that will either make Bitcoin fail entirely, or cause it to become just another currency used to manipulate and control the masses.

<sigh>


Welcome to the REAL world my friend  ::)  

What made you think.........since you are in a pool.........that YOU would get any other reward besides recognition  ;D

Pretty soon the only ones making any BTC will be the "mining corporations",They know exactly what they are doing & will do whatever they can to get rich,just like a real life corporation...............very sad,its only a matter of time & us little shits will be run out of mining  :'(  Those that have.....will have more.........................

I hope Eligius gets their pool together...I do thank wizkid & Lukejr for their time & effort...but I need a regular payout timeframe.

Yes,I live on some of my earnings.That's MY decision to do as I wish with my earnings  :P

Good luck guys!!!!!





Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 16, 2014, 06:54:52 AM
I learned a lesson today that disenchanted me with Eligius, pool mining and Bitcoin in general.

Last night, one of my miners found a block.  Hope against hope, it found a block!   :o  With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  That's $15,750!  The things I could do with that amount of money.  I could pay for the miners I had gone into debt to purchase and still have a nice chiunk of pocket change!  Stats were still offline so I couldn't see the impact.  I went to bed.

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.

Given my inability to afford to purchase at least 100TH of mining power, I will never know the joy of mining a block and receiving the full reward.  I could try mining solo, but I may never see that level of luck again in my lifetime without the aforementioned 100TH of mining power, and the target keeps rising.  With each person or group that struggles to surpass the competition by having more mining power that most of the pack, the difficulty rises almost exponentially.

In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers.  Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man!  This shall be its fatal flaw that will either make Bitcoin fail entirely, or cause it to become just another currency used to manipulate and control the masses.

<sigh>


Welcome to the REAL world my friend  ::)  

What made you think.........since you are in a pool.........that YOU would get any other reward besides recognition  ;D

Pretty soon the only ones making any BTC will be the "mining corporations",They know exactly what they are doing & will do whatever they can to get rich,just like a real life corporation...............very sad,its only a matter of time & us little shits will be run out of mining  :'(  Those that have.....will have more.........................

I hope Eligius gets their pool together...I do thank wizkid & Lukejr for their time & effort...but I need a regular payout timeframe.

Yes,I live on some of my earnings.That's MY decision to do as I wish with my earnings  :P

Good luck guys!!!!!


Heh, I didn't even get recognition.   :(

The "mining corporations", as you put it, solve hundreds of blocks per day.  Maybe there might be some bump of reward for the underdog that solves a block with clearly insufficient power to guarantee that outcome?  But, alas, the corporations would abuse that as well.  They would just use many wallet addresses with only a few hundred gigahash per wallet, pretending to be an intrepid individual miner deserving a little extra bump.

What really soured the milk for me was the ABSENCE of clear documentation stating what happens in the off chance you find a block.  Something to the effect of:
"Abandon all hope of any block rewards all ye who enter the pool.  The block rewards are not yours, nor will they ever be.  ALL mining results are spread throughout the pool to yield homogenous 'fair' payouts."
THAT would have set my expectations correctly from day one.

All the gobbledygook about CPPSRB, luck, rounds, etc. made NO sense to me when I was starting out with mining.  All that information is written to inform the already informed.

Everything cryptocurrency related is SEVERELY lacking in clear explanation, even in the WiKis.  Then again, I find ANYTHING that even vaguely relates to cryptography is severely lacking in clarity, even with the BEST of efforts.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on March 16, 2014, 06:55:07 AM
To all those that think our friend WizKid should charge a fee:

DONATE

I am running a puny 475Ghs setup compared to most of you. I donate 1% to each category. My system is also running MinePeon for 127Ghs of the total so it donates 15 minutes a day.

Our friends do not arbitrarily charge us for things but they would like us to willingly help out where we can. Think of it this way if a friend drives you around because your car is in the shop, you are going to maturely offer him/her gas money and maybe dinner for their troubles.

Thanks,
Shawn

I think a fair number of those in favor of some sort of fee are donating. My setup is smaller, and I'm not bothered by donating or the prospect of a fee. They are providing a service (that bit of obviousness isn't directed at you - we're mostly on the same page, I'd assume, in most regards in this matter), and at a point where it was easier to manage, no fee was just fine.

In general and at the community:

It kind of reminds me of someone who's a good baker making cupcakes as a hobby-job, earning a bit here and there from people as the news about the deliciousness of said cupcakes spreads word-of-mouth. At some point, the person realizes they can either scale back in order to keep the wagon from flying off the wheels from their day job, or whatever you wish to imagine, since by trying to keep all plates spinning might cause the quality of the cupcakes to diminish. In this case, since the site tends to be the point of complaint, the hobby baker lacks time to decorate the cupcakes as nicely as before, so some customers stop buying, OR, the hobby baker can take it to the next level, charge a bit more for the cupcakes, and, yes, still lose are few customers, but by improving on their craft, draws in more customers that are willing to pay a little more, while still saving a bit than if they had gone to some flashier large-scale baker, who charges more but the actual cupcakes really aren't any better.

Perhaps a low flat fee, with also an option to donate, may be worth considering. In stead of 1% or even 0.5%, you charge only 0.25% (or whatever), which would still undercut competition and be low enough to attract people, and it's low enough that many users already donating won't have the attitude of "Well, now I'm paying, so why should I bother donating?" I don't know what it costs to run the operation. Not at all, so the numbers are a little arbitrary. I know most pools I've used charge 1% or more. I used Slush's pool for a while an thought it was fine, even with the fee, and at the time I left, the stat pages were no better, the look of the site was no better, and so on and so forth. Hell, even pools charging a considerably high fee ask for donations. This may rub some people the wrong way, but I'll just go ahead an say it: for a community of people that go on ad nauseam about their Libertarian, capitalist ideals, I see a whole lot of hands sticking out asking for donations for fuck all. (Don't get it twisted, one sees this everywhere sans gushing adoration for Libertarian ideals, which are always fine by me as long as those doing the gushing abide by them - the whole' practice what you preach' thing.) Eligius is a service, and generally a damn fine one at that. I love the fact that it is offered for free and people can decide what it's worth to them, but in the long run the altruism will most likely not be reciprocated may the majority, and things start to break down.

 I grow irritated when people come here bitching about not getting payouts fast and all kinds of other crap when they are using a service that is gratis. If the operators were thieves, or payouts were tied up for weeks, that would be cause for action. You use a free pool and it takes longer to get some issue ironed out, what the fuck else do you expect? Seriously?

To wrap up this monster of a post, put pen to paper, figure out how much you need to get where you want to go, and a little beyond, and derive a modest fee. Yeah, you'll take a hit in the amount of donations you're receiving, but you probably notice a fluctuation anyways as difficulty rises and some miners feel they can no longer afford to donate. Still, others will continue to reward you for quality work. The only thing to add is that by adding a fee, you will be open to a little scrutiny when the stats go into fail-safe mode every other day, and so on. As soon as you attach even the smallest fee to your service, the majority begins to feel even more entitled... And to an extent they will be, but only like 0.5% more than they were when it was all free and whatnot. ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lowerjerzey on March 16, 2014, 07:15:44 AM
Topic change!

I've started working on a pool desktop app. It's moving along pretty smooth except for the site unavailability hampering testing. The model is mostly done. All I have left to code up is pulling in the mined block data. I implemented both the historic api and WizKid's new api. Here's a screen shot of it pulling in my user stats.
http://i.imgur.com/5cFrgte.jpg
Here's one with the pool hashrate.
http://i.imgur.com/r906ONA.jpg

Doesn't look like much, but this part was the bitch. Once that's finished, the fun part begins. I'll work on the controller and then slap a view together. It'll start off simple. I'll have it just mimic the site but with one addition. I'll add the ability to set a min hashrate. If your hashrate falls below the min, I can have a giant window popup with a klaxon blaring. Once I get something simple done, I can add options, configurations, data analysis, skins,.... like a desktop widget displaying just your hashrate or have it run as a service simply checking your hashrate or payout, like a cha ching sound can play with a popup when you get paid, or a notification that you entered the payout queue.  Things like that.

This pool is pretty darn open and supplies lots of data. I don't fully understand what all the data means/represents so I'll probably need help with compiling them into useful things.

I can't mimic the nice graphs. The api doesn't supply a user's hashrate history. The best resolution for data is 1 minute for user stats.  So, I could make my own graph overtime while the app runs, but I think that is stupid.  It also doesn't supply individual worker info. I could use WebViewClient to load your user stat page then inject some javascript to display just the graphs and worker info in my app.  But, I've never done this and don't want to be pulling out my hair trying to get it to work.  So, if anyone knows how to do this, code it up and pass it along. 

I'll try to throw a quick android app together. I haven't messed with Android since Froyo so I'll be pretty much relearning it.  I have some Android knowledgeable friends at work that could knock something out rather quickly.  I'll copy off the slush pool app.  It's clean and simple.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eiabea.btcdroid

Also, if you own a chumby or infocast, I can throw something together for that too.  Leave it by your TV or on your desk and let it monitor. Here's a hack I did for the infocast. I got JBox2d to run on it.

http://forum.chumby.com/viewtopic.php?id=8333

Any requests, suggestions, or help is more than welcome.

Oh, also, when wizkid took the stats down, some of the api's were still available. So, some of the features that will be in this app would have still worked.

Resume bitching!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 16, 2014, 08:14:15 AM
...even with the BEST of efforts.

I mine on bitparking now, and block finders get the reward of all transaction fees for that block. it's DGM and rounds can be long and arduous, but it's worth it.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: movellan on March 16, 2014, 08:47:32 AM
Quit griping. I found a block last August when the diff was 50 mil and I was mining with 12 gh. I would never have found it if I wasn't in the pool and neither would you, so stop whining and keep hashing.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 16, 2014, 08:50:09 AM
Looking at the pool there are some people are months or weeks "old". Then there are 6, 5, 4, ect days old. Does this mean those people havent been paid out their balances in that time frame?
Exactly. The balance age is how much time has elapsed since a miner has recieved it's most recent payment. (or the day they started mining if they havent recieved a payment yet).

Some very small miner may take months before they accumulate enough coins to cross the minimum payment treshold. People may also voluntarely increase the payment treshold upwards to be payed less often.

However, the greatest balance age is always payed in priority: so a miner who finally crosses it's payout treshold after two weeks will be placed earlier in the payout queue that a miner who crosses that threshold every day.

My stats say "1206.19151064 BTC are ahead in queue, putting this user's payout after a 48 block delay". What kind of delay is this going to cause? Finding myself in the overall payout queue, I am pretty far down there ;) What kind of turn around should I be expecting to receive payout after I hit the minimum threshold?

The main stats (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/) page says, at the bottom, that the average time per block, considering current pool hashrate and network difficulty, is 1:05 hours. Therefore, 48 blocks is 2 days, 4 hours. However, you may be pushed back a little by other small miner crossing their treshold and be put upper in the queue. A good rule of thumb to know how much wait will be necessary is to look at the balance age of the last miner to be payed out in the next block.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 16, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
And we are back to normal, but my place in payment que went from 8 block delay to not yet eligible for payment.... (cry)

I don't know how it can happen? Once you cross your minimum payout treshold, you ARE going in the queue, and stay there until you are payed!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: tmu on March 16, 2014, 09:04:57 AM
Welcome to the REAL world my friend  ::)  

What made you think.........since you are in a pool.........that YOU would get any other reward besides recognition  ;D

Pretty soon the only ones making any BTC will be the "mining corporations",They know exactly what they are doing & will do whatever they can to get rich,just like a real life corporation...............very sad,its only a matter of time & us little shits will be run out of mining  :'(  Those that have.....will have more.........................

I hope Eligius gets their pool together...I do thank wizkid & Lukejr for their time & effort...but I need a regular payout timeframe.

Yes,I live on some of my earnings.That's MY decision to do as I wish with my earnings  :P

Good luck guys!!!!!


Heh, I didn't even get recognition.   :(

The "mining corporations", as you put it, solve hundreds of blocks per day.  Maybe there might be some bump of reward for the underdog that solves a block with clearly insufficient power to guarantee that outcome?  But, alas, the corporations would abuse that as well.  They would just use many wallet addresses with only a few hundred gigahash per wallet, pretending to be an intrepid individual miner deserving a little extra bump.

What really soured the milk for me was the ABSENCE of clear documentation stating what happens in the off chance you find a block.  Something to the effect of:
"Abandon all hope of any block rewards all ye who enter the pool.  The block rewards are not yours, nor will they ever be.  ALL mining results are spread throughout the pool to yield homogenous 'fair' payouts."
THAT would have set my expectations correctly from day one.

All the gobbledygook about CPPSRB, luck, rounds, etc. made NO sense to me when I was starting out with mining.  All that information is written to inform the already informed.

Everything cryptocurrency related is SEVERELY lacking in clear explanation, even in the WiKis.  Then again, I find ANYTHING that even vaguely relates to cryptography is severely lacking in clarity, even with the BEST of efforts.


If Pool is paying reward to "finder" it is taken from everybody's  "normal" rewards. So "finder" is getting better reward from that one block and same time he is getting less reward from every blocks he doesn't find.
And because block finding is pure luck, as there is no extra burden for those miners, in long term this "finders" reward would sum up to same total reward as we are getting now.
In short term I think that having no reward for finding block is favorable for small hashrate miners, because most of blocks are finded by big miners.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 16, 2014, 09:30:10 AM
Okay...

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.

How could you think you'd get anything more? That's the WHOLE point of pooled mining: getting regular, small payments, instead of gambling for a BIG payout you'd probably never get anyway.

Also, you protest about things not being clear, but according to the first sentence on Eligius FAQ page "Whenever a block is found, the most recent 25 BTC worth of unpaid shares are paid." If all the coins found in the block are sent to payed shares, then the finder gets nothing more. And according to the first sentence in the bitcoin wiki's article about pooled mining: "Pooled mining is a mining approach where multiple generating clients contribute to the generation of a block, and then split the block reward according the contributed processing power."

"Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work." -> You do realize that the miner that finds the block did not more nor less "work" than any other miner in the pool. It's pure luck. It doesn't deserve anything more.

Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.
And... That is bad? Everybody that mines everywhere contributes to the Bitcoin network, and they all deserve a fair share of the reward. Fair = in proportion of their hashing power. If it did not happen, a lot of people would stop mining out of frustration of mining for months and not finding anything, and the network would be weaker.

It also enables a fair spread of the initial Bitcoin production: the bitcoin economy may only take off if the coins are more or less spread across all the users, instead of a few that hold them all.

It does NOT compare to communism because everybody does have the same merit. Nobody works "harder" that anybody else. Well, you can double your hashrate, then you'll double your reward. But I repeat: The miner that finds the share has not done any more work than the others. It is pure luck.

I will never know the joy of mining a block and receiving the full reward.  I could try mining solo, but I may never see that level of luck again in my lifetime without the aforementioned 100TH of mining power, and the target keeps rising.
You should try a POT (Pay on target) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131376.0) pool like ozcoin (http://ozcoin.net/). It would suit your desires.

Or, you could update your settings for requesting shares of a lot higher difficulty. You'd find them less often, on average, but they'd pay that much more. Same average/expectation value, but much more influence of luck, so you could win more. (Well, on some other pool, because the reward system of eligius prevents anybody from earning more that 100% PPS.)

In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers. Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man! This shall be its fatal flaw that will either make Bitcoin fail entirely, or cause it to become just another currency used to manipulate and control the masses.

I don't understand why you say that once again... The pooled mining system spreads the money evenly instead of making a few rich "winners". That is the exact opposite of what you're saying. In any case, it is not satoshi's fault beacause mining pools are built by people on top of Bitcoin; they are not part of bitcoin itself.

Heh, I didn't even get recognition.   :(
You adress is going to be listed on the blocks page (http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blocks.php) in the column "contributor".

All the gobbledygook about CPPSRB, luck, rounds, etc. made NO sense to me when I was starting out with mining.  All that information is written to inform the already informed.

Everything cryptocurrency related is SEVERELY lacking in clear explanation, even in the WiKis.  Then again, I find ANYTHING that even vaguely relates to cryptography is severely lacking in clarity, even with the BEST of efforts.

So are most textbooks on pretty much every bit of human knowledge. It takes time to write good introductory texts for any topic. And Bitcoin is still in it's beginning! But the best way to learn about something is to try it hands on! But you should check the udemy course on bitcoin. It's really not bad and explains a lot. https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto/?sl=E0cddzFTKn1uFFkoCkA%3D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bizzyb on March 16, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
To all those that think our friend WizKid should charge a fee:

DONATE

I am running a puny 475Ghs setup compared to most of you. I donate 1% to each category. My system is also running MinePeon for 127Ghs of the total so it donates 15 minutes a day.

Our friends do not arbitrarily charge us for things but they would like us to willingly help out where we can. Think of it this way if a friend drives you around because your car is in the shop, you are going to maturely offer him/her gas money and maybe dinner for their troubles.

Thanks,
Shawn
The reality for me is donating is a faff.
Happy to pay a fee if things improve but for now have moved my 3th because I want regular payouts and stable stats.
Would prefer to stay as I have a lot of respect for the work lkj and WK carry out "as a hobby".
Look forward to a default fee and the inevitable improvements.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: btmtb on March 16, 2014, 10:28:28 AM
You should try a POT (Pay on target) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131376.0) pool like ozcoin (http://ozcoin.net/). It would suit your desires.
You hit the nail on the head so many points. Someone obviously doesn't realise where his payments have been coming from for all those weeks where he hasn't 'done all the hard work' and found a block. On a side note, I don't believe Ozcoin offers POT anymore, it does still mention POT on the home page which I think this just hasn't been updated in forever, the actual user configurable pool options state:
Quote
Payout Method
Double Geometric Method (DGM)
Note: Only DGM available currently.
Not sure if any other pools offer POT?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 10:53:37 AM
...even with the BEST of efforts.

I mine on bitparking now, and block finders get the reward of all transaction fees for that block. it's DGM and rounds can be long and arduous, but it's worth it.

I don't follow?  Eligius's home page says this:

Code:
Pool pays transaction fees to miners.

Is that not accurate?

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 16, 2014, 10:59:41 AM
...even with the BEST of efforts.

I mine on bitparking now, and block finders get the reward of all transaction fees for that block. it's DGM and rounds can be long and arduous, but it's worth it.

I don't follow?  Eligius's home page says this:

Code:
Pool pays transaction fees to miners.

Is that not accurate?

M

I never said anything about Eligius not paying tx fees. So yes it should be accurate and I'm not going to speculate on differences of opinion.
The actual difference lies in the fact that tx fees are divided on Eligius, on BP, all tx fees are paid as a bonus to the block finder. i merely mentioned this, as TodaysGandalf seemed to have a minor issue with the fact that he was a block finder, and received no bonus reward for being. BP addresses this.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 11:21:27 AM
I never said anything about Eligius not paying tx fees. So yes it should be accurate and I'm not going to speculate on differences of opinion.
The actual difference lies in the fact that tx fees are divided on Eligius, on BP, all tx fees are paid as a bonus to the block finder. i merely mentioned this, as TodaysGandalf seemed to have a minor issue with the fact that he was a block finder, and received no bonus reward for being. BP addresses this.

I'm sorry, I misread what you wrote.

I suggest p2pool do the same... and was promptly informed that it goes against the purpose of Bitcoin.  As time goes by (as each halving occurs), the blockreward for miners decreases.  That means the incentive to mine relies upon transaction fees increasing.  Which means any pool that distributes transaction fees to the finder is going to have a problem.

I agree it'd be nice for the block finder to get some sort of reward ... however in the day and age of 4.2billion BTC difficulty, the only way little guys can stay in are with an even (yet proportional) distribution among all pool members.  Otherwise it'll just be the big guys, which will likely be corporations.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 16, 2014, 11:28:35 AM
I never said anything about Eligius not paying tx fees. So yes it should be accurate and I'm not going to speculate on differences of opinion.
The actual difference lies in the fact that tx fees are divided on Eligius, on BP, all tx fees are paid as a bonus to the block finder. i merely mentioned this, as TodaysGandalf seemed to have a minor issue with the fact that he was a block finder, and received no bonus reward for being. BP addresses this.

I'm sorry, I misread what you wrote.

I suggest p2pool do the same... and was promptly informed that it goes against the purpose of Bitcoin.  As time goes by (as each halving occurs), the blockreward for miners decreases.  That means the incentive to mine relies upon transaction fees increasing.  Which means any pool that distributes transaction fees to the finder is going to have a problem.

I agree it'd be nice for the block finder to get some sort of reward ... however in the day and age of 4.2billion BTC difficulty, the only way little guys can stay in are with an even (yet proportional) distribution among all pool members.  Otherwise it'll just be the big guys, which will likely be corporations.

M

I agree with you in most of what you say, being my own preference to now mine on a DGM pool, whether better or worse, is a choice i've recently taken. With regards to the finders bonus, well, for me it is irrelevant really, for the specific reasons you state above; with only 170GH/s I am too small and will never be a block finder under current and future difficulty - except for some freakish luck, which I doubt will ever occur. But isn't it the case, as BTC price rises, tx fees need to be smaller - nobody wants to be paying an exponential fee to send bitcoins. this would in the end make it cheaper to use a credit card for purchases, which goes against the purpose intended for bitcoin in the first instance?

I'll remain with my thinking that giving the block finder a bonus is a good thing, even though I will never see that bonus personally, I think it gives extra incentive to mine.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 12:25:32 PM
I agree with you in most of what you say, being my own preference to now mine on a DGM pool, whether better or worse, is a choice i've recently taken. With regards to the finders bonus, well, for me it is irrelevant really, for the specific reasons you state above; with only 170GH/s I am too small and will never be a block finder under current and future difficulty - except for some freakish luck, which I doubt will ever occur. But isn't it the case, as BTC price rises, tx fees need to be smaller - nobody wants to be paying an exponential fee to send bitcoins. this would in the end make it cheaper to use a credit card for purchases, which goes against the purpose intended for bitcoin in the first instance?

I'll remain with my thinking that giving the block finder a bonus is a good thing, even though I will never see that bonus personally, I think it gives extra incentive to mine.

I agree about tx fees having to be smaller.  The hope is the volume of tx fees increases to keep the incentive there for miners.  Of course what could happen is as the block rewards continues to halve, if transaction volume doesn't increase, the incentive to mine decreases, which should lead to a decrease in difficulty.  But, as Gavin says, we don't know what's going to happen.  It's an experiment.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 16, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
I agree with you...
I'll remain with my thinking that giving the block finder a bonus is a good thing, even though I will never see that bonus personally, I think it gives extra incentive to mine.

I agree about tx fees having to be smaller.  The hope is the volume of tx fees increases to keep the incentive there for miners.  Of course what could happen is as the block rewards continues to halve, if transaction volume doesn't increase, the incentive to mine decreases, which should lead to a decrease in difficulty.  But, as Gavin says, we don't know what's going to happen.  It's an experiment.

M

an exciting experiment. I think difficulty decrease is inevitable - well, eventually; hence why I i'll be stashing away my old rig when it becomes a loss leader (not long to go now!) I see friends cutting their losses and selling their old 130nm mining equipment off, but i'm hedging my bets on this, i'll still be mining for the very last 0.00000001 transaction fee, because i'm a geek and I believe in the long term value. Eventually, the big farms will be forced to switch off and - here's my hope - their respective governments sting them a whacking great tax on the recycling of electronic goods. That'll teach them for being so greedy  :-\ one can but hope.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: wpgdeez on March 16, 2014, 02:44:28 PM
Tried the pool out last night, had a nice solid connection but the payout method concerns me.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: lost7 on March 16, 2014, 03:01:16 PM
The pool I'm using just got 3orphans blocks.. so annoying!

I'll go solo mining with 300kh/s


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 16, 2014, 03:14:59 PM
In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers.  Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man!

You are now blacklisted from Eligius and Hop Sing's for naming names (http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-96.shtml).   :D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 16, 2014, 03:23:56 PM
Stats have been down for like 48 hours, now the site is completely down. That's just unnaceptable for one of the largest pools, or really any site at all. I just am skeptical that this is all being used as a front for pool operators absconding with coins that should have gone to the miners. Admittedly I have a hard time trusting Christians or "altruists".

I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.

Some of you really need to get a grasp on what's going on.

The servers for the pool itself have been solidly operating for ...months?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.  I think there was a very small pool outage for a few minutes time like maybe 4 or 5 months ago.  Other than that, the pool itself has been utterly solid.  Shares are being accepted and work is flowing as it should to the miners.  

The server for the front end stats has had some issues from time to time.  I, for one, care not.  Are there miners out there that only monitor their hardware via pool statistics?  That seems backasswards to me.

There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

If that's putting anyone here in a bind.... ouch.  Just ouch.  Anyone in that situation, post an address.  I have some gratis coupons to fast food joints I'll mail you and some boxes of stuff from our recent Subscribe and Save order, because you're probably near homeless and starving?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 05:18:11 PM
There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 16, 2014, 05:30:14 PM
There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.
Because they hadn't met their configured minimum payouts sooner.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 16, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M
The time shown in the payout queue is slightly misleading. What it is actually showing is the time of the first share accepted after their last payout. It's effectively the date of their last payout. So, if I get a payout every couple of days; when I hit my payout limit, I'll be pushed into the queue ahead of those who get a payout every day.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 05:34:08 PM
There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M
The time shown in the payout queue is slightly misleading. What it is actually showing is the time of the first share accepted after their last payout. It's effectively the date of their last payout. So, if I get a payout every couple of days; when I hit my payout limit, I'll be pushed into the queue ahead of those who get a payout every day.

Thanks, my newness to this pool is showing. :)

However, the payout queue does say there is 438 BTC waiting to be paid out in 18 blocks.  Maybe that's not a lot to you, but it is a huge amount to me.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Littleshop on March 16, 2014, 05:38:16 PM
I learned a lesson today that disenchanted me with Eligius, pool mining and Bitcoin in general.

Last night, one of my miners found a block.  Hope against hope, it found a block!   :o  With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  That's $15,750!  The things I could do with that amount of money.  I could pay for the miners I had gone into debt to purchase and still have a nice chiunk of pocket change!  Stats were still offline so I couldn't see the impact.  I went to bed.

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.


I guess you do not understand the concept of a pool.  Every payment you get when you do not find a block is the counter argument.  There have been pools that paid the actual finder of the block a little more which reduces everyone elses payment.  So if you prefer that type of pool go ahead.  Or you can mine here and make a small 1000-1 odds bet at Satoshi dice each day if you want that extra thrill. 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on March 16, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Topic change!

I've started working on a pool desktop app. It's moving along pretty smooth except for the site unavailability hampering testing. The model is mostly done. All I have left to code up is pulling in the mined block data. I implemented both the historic api and WizKid's new api. Here's a screen shot of it pulling in my user stats.
http://i.imgur.com/5cFrgte.jpg
Here's one with the pool hashrate.
http://i.imgur.com/r906ONA.jpg

Doesn't look like much, but this part was the bitch. Once that's finished, the fun part begins. I'll work on the controller and then slap a view together. It'll start off simple. I'll have it just mimic the site but with one addition. I'll add the ability to set a min hashrate. If your hashrate falls below the min, I can have a giant window popup with a klaxon blaring. Once I get something simple done, I can add options, configurations, data analysis, skins,.... like a desktop widget displaying just your hashrate or have it run as a service simply checking your hashrate or payout, like a cha ching sound can play with a popup when you get paid, or a notification that you entered the payout queue.  Things like that.

This pool is pretty darn open and supplies lots of data. I don't fully understand what all the data means/represents so I'll probably need help with compiling them into useful things.

I can't mimic the nice graphs. The api doesn't supply a user's hashrate history. The best resolution for data is 1 minute for user stats.  So, I could make my own graph overtime while the app runs, but I think that is stupid.  It also doesn't supply individual worker info. I could use WebViewClient to load your user stat page then inject some javascript to display just the graphs and worker info in my app.  But, I've never done this and don't want to be pulling out my hair trying to get it to work.  So, if anyone knows how to do this, code it up and pass it along. 

I'll try to throw a quick android app together. I haven't messed with Android since Froyo so I'll be pretty much relearning it.  I have some Android knowledgeable friends at work that could knock something out rather quickly.  I'll copy off the slush pool app.  It's clean and simple.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eiabea.btcdroid

Also, if you own a chumby or infocast, I can throw something together for that too.  Leave it by your TV or on your desk and let it monitor. Here's a hack I did for the infocast. I got JBox2d to run on it.

http://forum.chumby.com/viewtopic.php?id=8333

Any requests, suggestions, or help is more than welcome.

Oh, also, when wizkid took the stats down, some of the api's were still available. So, some of the features that will be in this app would have still worked.

Resume bitching!

I'm curious to test out your work. just saw your post. i choose not to understand code, so the images might as have been Sumerian Cuneiform on clay tablets. having stats on the desktop would be nice when I just want to have a quick glance. best of luck on the finished product!


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 16, 2014, 06:01:01 PM
There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M

It's wrong. The stats show what it believes to be true right this minute. I've been here for about three months now, and aside from this recent run of luck with the front end, it's been paid within an hour of my threshold almost every time. When it does get fubar, Wizkid always does a manual payout as soon as the system is caught up. Like within minutes sometimes. The longest I ever saw it go was two days past my payout threshold. For the guys with big hashpower, that may have equated to 3-4 DAYS delay. Not months.

In my time here there have been zero problems with the server regardless of what the stats page was doing. This recent one where the namecoins got jacked has been the worst I've seen, and that's minor. (though still unfixed on my setup :D )


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 16, 2014, 06:03:32 PM
Thanks, my newness to this pool is showing. :)

However, the payout queue does say there is 438 BTC waiting to be paid out in 18 blocks.  Maybe that's not a lot to you, but it is a huge amount to me.

M
I think it takes everyone a little while to figure out the payout queue and how it works, I know I did.

Just for a little more clarification: if you check the first bunch of addresses in the queue, you'll see those that are a month old or so are usually idle miners and these people are being paid their last payout. These might contain some older shelved shares which is why they look like they've been waiting for ages. Once you start to reach addresses '3 days' into the payout queue; those are usually smaller hashrate miners who've set their payout limit higher than their daily earnings so get a payment every couple of days. After that it looks like around 80% of the queue has only been waiting 20hrs or less.

Eligius also pays directly from mined coins and doesn't ever go into negative balance in order to support itself independent of external capital input, so that 18 block delay is like a buffer to make sure the pool doesn't pay out more than it has or go bankrupt. During times of bad luck the queue can grow longer, but a few lucky rounds usually clears things up quickly.

Hopefully that helps some better understand the payout queue, but that is what I've come to understand through my limited time studying it, I no longer bother as I've never been burned by waiting for payments and I've been here for a few months now. If I've stated anything incorrectly, please someone chime in and let me know.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on March 16, 2014, 06:12:49 PM
There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M
The time shown in the payout queue is slightly misleading. What it is actually showing is the time of the first share accepted after their last payout. It's effectively the date of their last payout. So, if I get a payout every couple of days; when I hit my payout limit, I'll be pushed into the queue ahead of those who get a payout every day.

Thanks, my newness to this pool is showing. :)

However, the payout queue does say there is 438 BTC waiting to be paid out in 18 blocks.  Maybe that's not a lot to you, but it is a huge amount to me.

M

it's a lot for 99% of humanity. you're correct. when the site gets wonky, payouts can get pretty jammed, and this has generally be relieved by 1) some manual payouts to help clean up some, and 2) the system going through it's 'normal' payout routine. a few pages back WK or Luke-Jr explain what has to happen to do a manual payout, but i'll admit i'm too lazy to go find it at current. the simple explanation is that it sometimes takes a few days before one or the other (usually WK in my experience) does the manual payout. you'll also sometimes notice that your spot in the payout queue jumps around a bit has those who have been mining longer jump ahead, or even you jump ahead because it's been 2-3 days. I don't know about others, but I can say that with my ~330 GH/s, I generally go anywhere from 1-4 days between payouts, mainly 2-4 over the last 2 weeks, which is due to site issues (I think, but don't really know) and changes in difficulty. you'll likely see more than 18 blocks in the payout queue at some point as well.

 


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Thanks for the info everyone on how the payout queue works.  I feel better about it now. :)

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: maranello1561 on March 16, 2014, 06:59:38 PM
Stats have been down for like 48 hours, now the site is completely down. That's just unnaceptable for one of the largest pools, or really any site at all. I just am skeptical that this is all being used as a front for pool operators absconding with coins that should have gone to the miners. Admittedly I have a hard time trusting Christians or "altruists".

I'm moving my miners off Eligius. May come back if things improve but this is ridiculous.

Some of you really need to get a grasp on what's going on.

The servers for the pool itself have been solidly operating for ...months?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.  I think there was a very small pool outage for a few minutes time like maybe 4 or 5 months ago.  Other than that, the pool itself has been utterly solid.  Shares are being accepted and work is flowing as it should to the miners.  

The server for the front end stats has had some issues from time to time.  I, for one, care not.  Are there miners out there that only monitor their hardware via pool statistics?  That seems backasswards to me.

There have also been a few small delays in payouts.  I read one post here recently that suggested the delay was months?  Maybe I misread it.

Uh.....no.  The delay has been - AT MOST - a few days time.  

If that's putting anyone here in a bind.... ouch.  Just ouch.  Anyone in that situation, post an address.  I have some gratis coupons to fast food joints I'll mail you and some boxes of stuff from our recent Subscribe and Save order, because you're probably near homeless and starving?

Oh look at Mr Bling Bling here with deep pockets.



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: maranello1561 on March 16, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
Haven't seen any payouts. Is Namecoin merge mining still happening? If not, can you please remove it from the options page. confusing as hell.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: freebit13 on March 16, 2014, 07:11:13 PM
Eligius still does merged NMC mining. WK mentioned in his last post that he's holding off on NMC payments until the latest mess is sorted.

Haven't seen any payouts. Is Namecoin merge mining still happening? If not, can you please remove it from the options page. confusing as hell.

*sigh*

Seems we cant catch a break. :(

I left this morning, and within an hour of me leaving CPPSRB went into failsafe.  I was traveling most of the day and wasn't able to set it to recover until ~8 hours later... which is making for a slow catch up.

I decided to hold off on NMC payouts for the moment until I can go through the information provided by everyone regarding changes.  Seems the core copy of the database rejected some people's invalid signature options in an update (with the false NMC address).  So, the core database was missing some random people's options, which seems to be why some people's options have reset to nothing (because I wiped out all options containing the false NMC address/invalid signatures).

I will use the latest backup from before the incident to reverify everyone's options/NMC address and check it against the database before issuing some NMC payouts/backpay.  No worries.

As for a BTC manual payout, it was on my agenda to do tonight, but with the reward system out of sync I can not get a valid payout list, so I have to wait until that is ready.  Hopefully it doesn't take too long and I can still get it done before I get to sleep tonight.

-wk


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 16, 2014, 07:29:46 PM
According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M

Because they hadn't met their configured minimum payouts sooner.

Yup.  What Luke-Jr said.

That's part of the problem.  A lot of misinformation or misinterpretation of information, and poor assumptions based on that.

Not meaning to single you out mdude77.  Like I said it's a misconception of way too many who post here.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 16, 2014, 07:34:50 PM
Thanks for the info everyone on how the payout queue works.  I feel better about it now. :)

We're all here (hopefully) to learn and help others learn.  Asking questions is part of learning.  Sometimes even challenging questions.  But the sense of entitlement a lot of the posts here have - not yours of course - gets a bit ridiculous.

Thankfully wk created this new thread so he can prune out the really unhelpful troll posts.  Which were... uhhh.... plentiful at times in the old thread?  lol


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: JLebowskiTheDude on March 16, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
Oh look at Mr Bling Bling here with deep pockets.

It wasn't intended that way at all.

It's a subtle reminder to some that if you happen to be stretching yourself thin enough financially that you can't manage a small amount of payout variance in a completely optional and largely superfluous activity, you need to do a healthy amount of re-examination.

And in that tenor I was offering to help those who find themselves in that position the opportunity to maybe afford to eat while they do? Since the implication that was being stated was their mining actitivy was the means to a majority of their living expenses and their funds were so short that could not afford even a few days wait in being paid.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 16, 2014, 07:48:52 PM
According to the current payout queue, the top 5 are 1+ month old.  And I think someone stated that there was finally a payout recently where a LOT of folks were finally paid.  So I'm not sure the "months" statement is wrong.  (But I am new here..)

M

Because they hadn't met their configured minimum payouts sooner.

Yup.  What Luke-Jr said.

That's part of the problem.  A lot of misinformation or misinterpretation of information, and poor assumptions based on that.

Not meaning to single you out mdude77.  Like I said it's a misconception of way too many who post here.

Maybe someone "in the know" can update the help page?  I did read the info there, more than once, before I started posting in this thread.  The information doesn't always make sense (to me atleast), and googling can sometimes lead to contradictory information.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Icebjerg on March 16, 2014, 09:44:13 PM
Just wondering if anyone else has got any NMC payouts lately?
I used to get a payout approx. once every two days.  I have not recieved one since the 9th.
I did have to re-input my NMC address after it was cleared out.
Thanks


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: blubberli on March 16, 2014, 09:49:52 PM
Just wondering if anyone else has got any NMC payouts lately?

Did you read at least the latest 10 postings?

WK mentioned in his last post that he's holding off on NMC payments until the latest mess is sorted.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Icebjerg on March 16, 2014, 10:01:37 PM
Thanks for the quote,
I missed that post from March 15.
Honestly mostly skimm read as there are so many posts on thread, let alone  the entire fourm.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: blubberli on March 16, 2014, 10:14:12 PM
Thanks for the quote,

You are welcome. And yes, this forum contains way too much information, my brain demands a direct link. :-)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: babaji.ca on March 17, 2014, 12:06:29 AM
I learned a lesson today that disenchanted me with Eligius, pool mining and Bitcoin in general.

Last night, one of my miners found a block.  Hope against hope, it found a block!   :o  With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  That's $15,750!  The things I could do with that amount of money.  I could pay for the miners I had gone into debt to purchase and still have a nice chiunk of pocket change!  Stats were still offline so I couldn't see the impact.  I went to bed.

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.

Given my inability to afford to purchase at least 100TH of mining power, I will never know the joy of mining a block and receiving the full reward.  I could try mining solo, but I may never see that level of luck again in my lifetime without the aforementioned 100TH of mining power, and the target keeps rising.  With each person or group that struggles to surpass the competition by having more mining power that most of the pack, the difficulty rises almost exponentially.

In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers.  Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man!  This shall be its fatal flaw that will either make Bitcoin fail entirely, or cause it to become just another currency used to manipulate and control the masses.

<sigh>



That's like getting upset because the lotto ticket you bought for the office pool won, and now you must share it with the other chumps in the pool.....

You should have been mining on your own from the start.


<< oooops! did I just respond to a troll ? >>


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 17, 2014, 01:18:10 AM
<< oooops! did I just respond to a troll ? >>

I tought it might be a troll too, but I chose to respond because the response had worthwhile thing to be said for anybody.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on March 17, 2014, 01:55:02 AM
I think you've been beat up on enough, but wanted to give a few comments the other day when I saw this. now, I'll be given fewer, but maybe this will resonate with you, or help you see things from your own obviously miopic viewpoint. First off:

With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(

To equate yourself with the "every-man" while rolling with 1.2 TH/s is insulting. Seriously, It's just fucking insulting. Think about it. Most people at this pool, and most others, are generally under 500 GH/s, and actually even less. I was kind of offended, though I'm not actually capable of felling a wide range of emotions. Offended is closest. You're earning way more than me, and just by being a miner, as opposed to buying BTC, you've got a better chance of making better profit that those who just buy BTC during favorable market conditions. You have a steady stream of BTC income rolling. To put yourself at my level, and many others, is naive at best, and callus at worst, and shows you do not have a grasp on the mining landscape.  I had harsher words, but others have already said them. Just be sensitive to the fact that by possessing 1,2 TH/s in gear, and most of us here knowing what that costs, puts you in a different class than many of us who have taken, in sme instances, bigger financial risks to possess much less.

$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.


Yeah, of course it's distributed to the pool. You're also benefiting form the many other miners who are willing to not act entitled and jump to some dumb-ass communist conspiracy. Something tells me your American, as most Americans understand communism from third-party sources that digest it for them instead of reading as much theory as necessary to even be able to use the word correctly. If you want to say there's a social element to it, then you're indeed correct, and that's the whole point. independent miners pool their resources together for the benefit of the group, and as many have pointed out, many of us would earn nothing if we didn't, so it's a logical choice. Also, if you have't read Adam Smith's 1759 work 'Theory of Moral Sentiments' in connection to his 1776 work 'The Wealth of Nations,' you may want to go back and refresh your fundamentals uf how capitalism works, or should work, at the ground floor. People with minimal capital pool resources together to create profit, which is good for the a given economy. When players at ANY level become greedy and feel entitled, while in a sense they are indeed following one facet of capitalism to its logical conclusion, Smith points out that greed is perhaps the greatest destructive force. He also goes on to say that while most markets should be left unencumbered, finance is perhaps the one key area where there should indeed be oversight and regulation. He was also in favor of social programs like compulsory education, relief for the unemployed (minimal like housing, food, and the general basics), and a few other social programs.

What's more, you FOUND a block. As many have pointed out, big deal. Eclipse, for example, counts when you are the last person who actually solves the block. No perks there either.

I don't know, you jump form one extreme to another suggests that you're letting your expectations rule, and are fine with being ignorant and lashing out, instead of having first posted a question as to why this is. You just go to communism, which within your worldview simply equals "bad." You live in a world where you these concepts are actually rather fluid, and you practice all of them without likely knowing it. Do you loan friends $20 bucks for a few days when they are hard up without asking for interest? That's a social undertaking. Even global systems are a mixture of those that have come before, which is why they are so hard to define and are simply pegged in a binary framework of left and right. It's over-simplistic, and if you're smart enough throw down on these boards, you need to see things in a dynamic light, not some static intellectual cage.

This pool may not be right for you, so I sincerely hope that you find one that suits your expectations. I believe that you average miner wants every miner to be pulling in their share since it keeps things moving along. We got into ming partly as a hobby, but also because if done correctly, you'll earn more BTC for less out put that if you simply purchased at the exchange. With mining, you get a steady stream regardless of exchange value. utilizing you earned BTC at higher exchange rates just helps you maximize the investment.

 You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.


If you have 1.2 TH/s you have no room to bitch. You already have improved your station comparatively against fellow miners, so that talk is nonsense. It's also more than just mining. You have to set your BTC in motion to work for you when the exchange rate is at your advantage. Don't go acting like to represent the common man, however (would like to point out that this is a very socialist meme as well, which is cool, as I like irony). You've already shown your cards and that you come from a position where you can drop about $6000 more than I was able to.

As for the info out there, it can be confusing. I agree. It takes months of discussion, reading, research, and asking questions. Why didn't ask the people here questions before you accused pools to be a 'communist' plot. No, you got all pissed off because you felt entitled, partly because you didn't understand that you hadn't done any more work than anyone else, and threw a hissy fit. This is unfortunate, as people here could have helped, and would have gladly done so. It would have saved you frustration, and the scorn of many participants here.

I do wish you the best of luck, but you were really talking out of school. There re legitimate complaints for sure, but this wasn't relay one of them. Don't let my low post number fool you. I've been t this for a while. I'm not as into understanding every aspect as some, as I like to find a good pool and stick with it until I find it unreliable, as in the pool doesn't work properly, and the site is just the graphic interface that is occasionally of consequence in my view. Try mining PeerCoin sometime. It's the opposite. The states and web pages are pretty, but the pools are buggy as hell. I don't recall this pool being down in the ~4 months or so I've been using it exclusively. I could be mistaken, but don't think so.

If the info around the web isn't helpful, ask your peers. Good luck to you wherever you end up, and drop the paranoia communist plot BS. regardless of any system, people of lesser means have to come together. It wasn't different in the gold rush when smaller prospectors hd to go up against the comstocks. We're heading in the direction. If we want to keep earning, we need each other and have to subside to the reality that you earn what you contribute. I don't see any alternative that is fairer to the community.

I guess this topic is really been beaten to death now. lol Good luck.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: gorgatron on March 17, 2014, 01:56:12 AM
<< oooops! did I just respond to a troll ? >>

I tought [sic] it might be a troll too, but I chose to respond because the response had worthwhile thing to be said for anybody.

+1


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Biomech on March 17, 2014, 02:17:13 AM
I learned a lesson today that disenchanted me with Eligius, pool mining and Bitcoin in general.

Last night, one of my miners found a block.  Hope against hope, it found a block!   :o  With only 1.2TH at my command, with odds of five quadrillion to one, it found a block!  I briefly did the Snoopy happy dance.  25BTC!  That's $15,750!  The things I could do with that amount of money.  I could pay for the miners I had gone into debt to purchase and still have a nice chiunk of pocket change!  Stats were still offline so I couldn't see the impact.  I went to bed.

This morning I checked my payouts... and there was nothing.  Nothing but a measly 0.39BTC for four days of mining.  >:(
$15,750 had been taken from me!  Distributed to the pool!  Not one extra bitcoin was given to me for having the miner that did the work.  Then I realized what a Communist plot pool mining is.  You have no chance to rise above your station in life comrade.  Your efforts are for the good of all.  You shall not benefit from your efforts beyond the average level of your hashing power.

Given my inability to afford to purchase at least 100TH of mining power, I will never know the joy of mining a block and receiving the full reward.  I could try mining solo, but I may never see that level of luck again in my lifetime without the aforementioned 100TH of mining power, and the target keeps rising.  With each person or group that struggles to surpass the competition by having more mining power that most of the pack, the difficulty rises almost exponentially.

In Bitcoin, as in life, the spoils once again go only to the wealthy power-brokers.  Satoshi you have failed to create the coin of the common man!  This shall be its fatal flaw that will either make Bitcoin fail entirely, or cause it to become just another currency used to manipulate and control the masses.

<sigh>



That's like getting upset because the lotto ticket you bought for the office pool won, and now you must share it with the other chumps in the pool.....

You should have been mining on your own from the start.


<< oooops! did I just respond to a troll ? >>

Nah. He's not a troll. Just venting.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 17, 2014, 03:34:32 AM
Hello all, I've added support for Eligius to my Windows only MPoolMonitor app.

http://www.mdude.org/mpoolmonitor-ss.jpg

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86502.0

I intend to add more feature functionality, including local idle worker alerts, possible graphs (haven't explored yet), and pool luck ratings if the API supports it. 

Note that it doesn't currently show separate worker names, those mining with _name appended to the address.  I'm not seeing that info in the output from the API, I have an email into Wizkid about that, maybe I'm missing something.

Regards,

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ratty on March 17, 2014, 03:37:46 AM
Thanks for the quote,

You are welcome. And yes, this forum contains way too much information, my brain demands a direct link. :-)

It would be great if they had a news page or a twitter feed where this kind of information is posted. This thread is the only place to get information right now. The newest news item on the website is about mtgox addresses, nothing about the stats hack or NMC payout delays. I understand people are busy, but if someone has time to reply to posts here, can't they write a few lines and post on some official site? Twitter is good for this kind of thing, just takes seconds of time to tweet "NMC payouts delayed until further notice" and we'd all see that and wait patiently.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 17, 2014, 06:50:45 AM
I come to you all with head down hat in hand.  I aired my frustrations on a public forum.  For that I deeply apologize.
Thank you Biomech for seeing the truth.  I was just venting.

As I suspected would happen, much of what I said was misconstrued, or only partially read.  Hopefully I can be more clear here.

1) I am not being a troll and trying discourage ANYONE about Bitcoin.

2) I am frustrated at the lengths we individual miners must go to in order to compete with CORPORATIONS that only have to expend the effort it takes to wiggle their pinky finger and drop 100 million dollars on mining equipment and the datacenters in which to run them.  In a few short months, we find ourselves competing against tens of PETAHASHES on the network, generated in large part by these corporations.  THAT is my primary frustration.  Anything created for the good of all, which I believe Bitcoin was, can be and has been perverted by the rich and powerful.

3) Yes, I was very frustrated with not seeing anything extra from finding a block.  I was deluded and venting.  Boo Hoo.  That was purely MY passing frustration.  I knew when I posted that it is the way it is and it cannot change.  I never said it SHOULD or even COULD change.  I was simply frustrated that I had to share something that I'd rather not.  I'm man enough to admit that.  Boo Hoo for me.  I get it.  My bet is that any one of you would rather get that 25BTC payout than share it.  Enough said, next topic.

4) Yes, I am a common man.  I am currently unemployed.  Yes, right now, 1.2TH is PUNY... when competing against PETAHASHES of corporate greed.  The last time I checked total network hashing power two weeks ago it was 14PH, today it's 37PH.  How much of that is individuals doing mining?  I doubt individuals constitute more than 2% of all that power.  We ALL have reason to bitch because it takes far more than 1.2TH get a decent return.  It PAINS ME that the common working man cannot participate in mining and make a decent return from a level of mining power he can afford.  Pool-based mining is not a necessary component of Bitcoin or any other Cryptocurrency.  Pools are a reaction to the ceaseless rise of the difficulty level beyond belief, caused by those that can afford to purchase a Hell of a lot more hashing power than 1.2TH.  Without pools we would all be seeing zero return from our miners except for the extremely rare found block.

Do you know (or care) how I got my 1.2 Terahashes?  By ME going into far more PERSONAL DEBT than is rational, to purchase mining power.  So don't accuse me of flaunting my wares, I didn't inherit my money or miners.  Your envy is unbecoming.  I'm simply trying to get to a level of hashing power that can support mining as an even minor profit making venture, as I know all of you attempting to do, or should be doing.

If you are doing this as a hobby, I advise you to choose another hobby.  The costs of keeping your miners running will eat you alive.  My electric bill has gone up $210 per month.  I'll be lucky to break even between electricity and interest payments.  That's my choice.  You chose your limit of financial exposure to mining, I chose mine.  I just happened to put more skin in the game than you.  However, in the end, it is just ME ALONE choosing to compete with the Goliath that is the network of hashing power, not an over privileged wealthy family or a corporation that cares nothing about any other aspect of Bitcoin than profit.  I happen to care a great deal about its potential to bring about social and governmental change, for the better.

5) Pure communism, at its roots, was about everyone pulling together for the good of all.  A laudable goal.  I recognize that.  That system, as well as every other nation-state political organization, has been polluted and corrupted for the good of the elite, without fail.

In my frustration I used phrasing that hit upon an inflammatory response.  It is your interpretation of my comments that got you all riled up, not my true meaning.  I was simply referring to the purist definition of communism which eschews individual gain over the good of all.

As per dictionary.com:
com·mu·nism  [kom-yuh-niz-uhm] noun
-- a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

6) You HAD to play the nationality card.  Yes, I am American.  As I said in a previous post, I live in Minnesota, so I cannot deny it.  Be that as it may, I do not take my personal identity from the country where I was born or in which I reside.  I propose that, not saying anything about whatever country in which you reside, that you are lumping all Americans with whatever preconceived prejudice you have, and not many facts.  Additionally, the American government and some of my fellow Americans have committed acts with which I take great embarrassment, not pride.  Lastly, since you are making personal attacks, I have a solid enough command of the English language and grammar to know it is written "you're American" not "your American" and I punctuate it correctly as well.  Enough personal bashing.

7) Why can't people make a point on this, or any other boards, without fucking swearing and impugning the educational level of the audience.

8 ) I've been mining since January, 2014.  I've spent much of my life savings and credit to get seriously into mining.  > I < take offense that you ASSUME you know who I am, what I am about or that I FEEL ENTITLED to ANYTHING.  You know nothing of what you speak, and I have made no aspersions as to who or what anyone else on this board is about.  I suggest you reign in your venom spitting fangs.  Given the level of difficulty right now, I doubt I will find another block with my MEASLY 1.2TH.  Keep in mind that your 500GH is quite ostentatious and offensive to someone that can't afford more than a few 1.2GH USB miners.  Also keep in mind that lightening can strike anywhere and your 500GH of miners may also find a block.

Lastly, I have not written one word of denigration or complaint about Eligius or its principal operators pertaining to any of the issues that have plagued the pool recently.  Read my post closely.  I was just complaining about the way block rewards are handled in a childish tantrum of frustration.  Authoring that post is something I regret greatly.  However, the deed is done.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 17, 2014, 07:16:46 AM
and now for something completely different...
Anyone else get a BTC deposit from "wizstats donations?"
I have no clue what that is from.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 17, 2014, 07:20:20 AM
and now for something completely different...
Anyone else get a BTC deposit from "wizstats donations?"
I have no clue what that is from.
Bitcoins aren't sent *from* anywhere.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: TodaysGandalf on March 17, 2014, 07:32:06 AM
All I know is my Android wallet software is reporting BTC has been deposited TO my wallet FROM "wizstats donations."

The blockchain reports the sources as having been:
1ChANGeATMH8dFnj39wGTjfjudUtLspzXr
1QGq9aXqpH6hEJnnbf7fnFbHJCEtBZCx83
1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2 (wizstats donations )

If you aren't concerned, then I'm not.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: Luke-Jr on March 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM
All I know is my Android wallet software is reporting BTC has been deposited TO my wallet FROM "wizstats donations."

The blockchain reports the sources as having been:
1ChANGeATMH8dFnj39wGTjfjudUtLspzXr
1QGq9aXqpH6hEJnnbf7fnFbHJCEtBZCx83
1StatsQytc7UEZ9sHJ9BGX2csmkj8XZr2 (wizstats donations )

If you aren't concerned, then I'm not.

Transactions don't have sources. The Android wallet software and blockchain.info (which is NOT the blockchain) are buggily fabricating this "information". I'd advise ignoring it.


Title: Is there a 'hidden' fee with eligius OR why do my miners and stat differ?
Post by: idoB on March 17, 2014, 08:11:47 AM
I'm a plankton miner compared to some of the whales in this pool - however:

My miners ALWAYS report effective hash rate that is always higher than my 12hr average Eligius stat:

Shown below are my 5 overclocked BEs reporting total of  2.55GH/s (all time effective):
http://i.imgur.com/bVOtU6X.png

While my 12hr average stat reports 2.44GH/s:
http://i.imgur.com/WFJihJY.png

Now this ~1% difference is consistent. It's never seen the numbers the other way around (higher stats).

What am I missing? Am I seeing a 1% fee on eligius?



Title: Re: Is there a 'hidden' fee with eligius OR why do my miners and stat differ?
Post by: baddw on March 17, 2014, 08:51:53 AM
I'm a plankton miner compared to some of the whales in this pool - however:

My miners ALWAYS report effective hash rate that is always higher than my 12hr average Eligius stat:

Shown below are my 5 overclocked BEs reporting total of  2.55GH/s (all time effective):
http://i.imgur.com/bVOtU6X.png

While my 12hr average stat reports 2.44GH/s:
http://i.imgur.com/WFJihJY.png

Now this ~1% difference is consistent. It's never seen the numbers the other way around (higher stats).

What am I missing? Am I seeing a 1% fee on eligius?


Do you see to the right, the "R:35+5(.53%)" and "HW:916/(.74%)" information?  That stands for "Rejects" and "HardWare errors", respectively.  These are NOT accepted or counted as valid shares.  They have to be subtracted from your true hashrate in order to get your pool-reported hashrate.  This happens with all pools on all kinds of coins.

Also, the pool has no idea what your actual hashrate is, but must estimate based on the frequency of of the shares that you submit, and their difficulty.  You are mining for the pool at difficulty 16, so any shares over difficulty 16 are reported to the pool.  These are multiplied by some factor to get your raw shares number, equivalent to what your shares would be if they were all difficulty 1.  Some miners with lower powered systems might be mining at difficulty 1, so all of their shares would be submitted and counted individually, with no multiplication factor. 

This is a way for the pool to avoid being overloaded... if all of the powerful miners were submitting at difficulty level 1, the server would go crazy handling all of the connections.  So the pool throttles your difficulty upwards so that you send a steady stream of results, but not too much.  Again, all pools do this.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on March 17, 2014, 09:06:38 AM
2) I am frustrated at the lengths we individual miners must go to in order to compete with CORPORATIONS that only have to expend the effort it takes to wiggle their pinky finger and drop 100 million dollars on mining equipment and the datacenters in which to run them.  In a few short months, we find ourselves competing against tens of PETAHASHES on the network, generated in large part by these corporations.  THAT is my primary frustration.  Anything created for the good of all, which I believe Bitcoin was, can be and has been perverted by the rich and powerful.

I will note that these huge corporations are also the ones who enabled you to be mining at 1.2TH. 

Of course, if you are the typical mining rig buyer, then you probably got screwed by those corporations, in that your investment will probably never pay off in BTC; but that depends on the details of your rig, how much you paid, and when you started mining.

I will also note that many of these companies were not started or funded by "the rich and powerful".  A lot of them were just nerdy guys, hardware engineers, who got into Bitcoin back when CPU mining was possible, then GPU mining, then they pooled their resources and built some ASICs.  Intel, AMD, nVidia, ARM, none of the big multi-billion-dollar chip manufacturers has dared to step their toes in these waters.  And I haven't heard of any bitcoin ASIC company worth 100 million dollars, or any bitcoin-related company that has actually spent 100 million dollars on anything.  (Some may own 100M worth of BTC currently, but they bought them much cheaper.)  I think the 10 million dollar range was about the highest that I've heard of.  But I could be wrong.  But the point is, these guys may have been fairly well-off to begin with, but they were not your hedge fund, media mogul, Davos types.

And I will FURTHER note that pooled mining has been pretty much the only decent option, going back pretty far.  If you were CPU mining, or were one of the first to GPU mine when everybody else was on CPU's, or one of the first to ASIC mine when everybody else was on GPU's, then maybe it might have made sense to mine solo.  Or maybe if you had a datacenter setup with, say, a full rack of machines all hashing away.  Then maybe you could mine solo.  But if you are just the "guy in his garage" even with a decent number of machines, pooling has been by far the most consistent way to earn BTC for a couple of years now... well before the evil "CORPORATIONS" got involved.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: bolverk on March 17, 2014, 09:06:46 AM
TodaysGandalf:  You seem to have shot yourself in the foot by jumping into the fray without a firm grasp on the concept of mining.  Quite frankly, there was *no* business case for mining when you jumped in, the capital and energy costs were too high to begin a new operation.

Hell, I wouldn't have jumped into myself, but Mt Gox actually made it feasible.  By the time they drove the price in the dirt you could buy cheaper bitcoins to buy gear from Bitmain, who hadn't adjusted their pricing in response to the market.

End sum:  sometimes you just have to accept that you missed the boat and stay on the sidelines.  And, sometimes, things happen that give you an opening.  Either way, you need to be patient, and you need to know definitively what the range of parameters you can still turn a profit on, considering both global hash rate and market price.  And even then, as Mt Gox showed, things can still be a bit of a gamble.

Ultimately, take responsibility.  The "corporations" aren't the evil here, it was your own lack of planning, preparation, and knowledge.  I'm a way smaller fish that you are (in terms of hash rate), but I only risked what I could afford to lose, while timing the market to give me the best possible ROI.  I fear we're only in the beginning stages of a parabolic curve in the global hash rate, but I'll still be in the black by a slim margin if we have 20% increases every eleven days through the end of the year.

But, man, did I spend some serious hours with both code & spreadsheets just to make sure it was doable...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 17, 2014, 09:43:52 AM
4) Yes, I am a common man.  I am currently unemployed.  Yes, right now, 1.2TH is PUNY... when competing against PETAHASHES of corporate greed.  The last time I checked total network hashing power two weeks ago it was 14PH, today it's 37PH.  How much of that is individuals doing mining?  I doubt individuals constitute more than 2% of all that power.  We ALL have reason to bitch because it takes far more than 1.2TH get a decent return.  It PAINS ME that the common working man cannot participate in mining and make a decent return from a level of mining power he can afford.  Pool-based mining is not a necessary component of Bitcoin or any other Cryptocurrency.  Pools are a reaction to the ceaseless rise of the difficulty level beyond belief, caused by those that can afford to purchase a Hell of a lot more hashing power than 1.2TH.  Without pools we would all be seeing zero return from our miners except for the extremely rare found block.

btw, total network hashpower has not more than doubled in the last two weeks.  Else we'd be facing a huge difficulty increase, and the last increase was about 11%.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/

Two weeks ago it was about 30PH.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: zycamaniac on March 17, 2014, 10:12:55 AM
It's just plain stupid to ask for "bonus" when you found a block when you are mining at a pool that dedicates on paying everyone exactly the same per each share they do...

Are you willing to accept LESS when you don't find a block, so that the pool can fund the bonus paid to the one that found the block?  Hummm? Don't think so...


Just go mine on your own and see if you will ever find a block.


Personally tho, I might be leaving the bitcoin mining scene soon, due to the rather crazy increase in difficulity, perhaps Scrypt rigs might be a better idea, tho it takes a long time for them to pay off..


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 17, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
It's just plain stupid to ask for "bonus" when you found a block when you are mining at a pool that dedicates on paying everyone exactly the same per each share they do...

Are you willing to accept LESS when you don't find a block, so that the pool can fund the bonus paid to the one that found the block?  Hummm? Don't think so...


Just go mine on your own and see if you will ever find a block.


Personally tho, I might be leaving the bitcoin mining scene soon, due to the rather crazy increase in difficulity, perhaps Scrypt rigs might be a better idea, tho it takes a long time for them to pay off..

Scrypt mining is starting to tank... value of the garbage coins keeps decreasing for some reason.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on March 17, 2014, 01:04:07 PM
I am frustrated at the lengths we individual miners must go to in order to compete with CORPORATIONS that only have to expend the effort it takes to wiggle their pinky finger and drop 100 million dollars on mining equipment and the datacenters in which to run them.

Yes, I am a common man.  I am currently unemployed.

If you are doing this as a hobby, I advise you to choose another hobby.  The costs of keeping your miners running will eat you alive.

I've been mining since January, 2014.  I've spent much of my life savings and credit to get seriously into mining.

Here's an idea: Instead of trying to get rich quick, get a job.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joeofall on March 17, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
hi, may i ask
how is payout at eligius work ?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: toquinho on March 17, 2014, 03:04:20 PM
You get paid out once your mining contribution reaches the minimum amount, which is about 0.04BTC. You will be entered into the queue after reaching threshold and will get paid for all work done including work done between entering the queue and being paid.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: un_ordinateur on March 17, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
Anything created for the good of all, which I believe Bitcoin was, can be and has been perverted by the rich and powerful.

(...)

We ALL have reason to bitch because it takes far more than 1.2TH get a decent return.  It PAINS ME that the common working man cannot participate in mining and make a decent return from a level of mining power he can afford.  Pool-based mining is not a necessary component of Bitcoin or any other Cryptocurrency.  Pools are a reaction to the ceaseless rise of the difficulty level beyond belief, caused by those that can afford to purchase a Hell of a lot more hashing power than 1.2TH.

I just want to say that mining is not intented as a way to create richeness of enable the common man to get money. Nor is it intended to get the corporations richer too. It's sole purpose is to secure the network. That the hashing power comes from the common man, or a company, does not matter. The block reward is quite high in the beginning, but will decrease fast; the block reward is not the ultimate purpose of mining.

No, all that "bitcoin" as an ideal cares, is that the network has the highest possible hashrate, so that nobody, be it an indivudual, a corporation, or a goernement, may compete against it. If corporations are willing to invests millions on mining , then good!

The bitcoin revolution, the change for the common man, will comm from the bitcoin economy, from the transactions. That is what will change things.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: OleOle on March 17, 2014, 03:40:59 PM
Anything created for the good of all, which I believe Bitcoin was, can be and has been perverted by the rich and powerful.

(...)

We ALL have reason to bitch because it takes far more than 1.2TH get a decent return.  It PAINS ME that the common working man cannot participate in mining and make a decent return from a level of mining power he can afford.  Pool-based mining is not a necessary component of Bitcoin or any other Cryptocurrency.  Pools are a reaction to the ceaseless rise of the difficulty level beyond belief, caused by those that can afford to purchase a Hell of a lot more hashing power than 1.2TH.

I just want to say that mining is not intented as a way to create richeness of enable the common man to get money. Nor is it intended to get the corporations richer too. It's sole purpose is to secure the network. That the hashing power comes from the common man, or a company, does not matter. The block reward is quite high in the beginning, but will decrease fast; the block reward is not the ultimate purpose of mining.

No, all that "bitcoin" as an ideal cares, is that the network has the highest possible hashrate, so that nobody, be it an indivudual, a corporation, or a goernement, may compete against it. If corporations are willing to invests millions on mining , then good!

The bitcoin revolution, the change for the common man, will comm from the bitcoin economy, from the transactions. That is what will change things.




The rising difficulty, the corporatisation of mining, the deflationary structure of bitcoin and the ipso facto transition of bitcoin as currency to bitcoin as commodity prevent any revolution.

If there was a 'bitcoin revolution' it was last year in 2013 with the adoption by the masses, reasonable returns from mining and the price spike verses fiat.

Now, if there is any possible zeitgeist, it's in another form of crypto... and if the popularity of DOGE is anything to go by, it suggests that even crypto-currencies have to be inflationary to act as currency otherwise the greed/foresight/speculation/horde mentality transforms the currency into a commodity.

Where is Bitcoin 2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0?

Whatever that is, perhaps, is where the 'revolution' lies.

 :)






["Coin, Coin!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr9SuvBsw-8 ]



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: raskul on March 17, 2014, 03:43:22 PM

Where is Bitcoin 2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0?

Whatever that is, perhaps, is where the 'revolution' lies.

 :)






PoS - then we can have real purpose for those massive farms, to pay us interest to our wallets ;D


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: zycamaniac on March 17, 2014, 04:04:05 PM
It's just plain stupid to ask for "bonus" when you found a block when you are mining at a pool that dedicates on paying everyone exactly the same per each share they do...

Are you willing to accept LESS when you don't find a block, so that the pool can fund the bonus paid to the one that found the block?  Hummm? Don't think so...


Just go mine on your own and see if you will ever find a block.


Personally tho, I might be leaving the bitcoin mining scene soon, due to the rather crazy increase in difficulity, perhaps Scrypt rigs might be a better idea, tho it takes a long time for them to pay off..

Scrypt mining is starting to tank... value of the garbage coins keeps decreasing for some reason.

M

Yeah, but at least I don't get wiped out in about 3 month like bitcoin tho...  Most rigs go from definite payout to dubious payout due to the hash rate arms race...


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: flounderella on March 17, 2014, 05:05:07 PM
Question on the min payout these days: is it 0.04194304 BTC as per the home page or is it really 0.01048576 BTC as per the options page.

Tx


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: OleOle on March 17, 2014, 05:14:45 PM
Question on the min payout these days: is it 0.04194304 BTC as per the home page or is it really 0.01048576 BTC as per the options page.

Tx


If you're a new user it really is 0.04194304 BTC so if you're in a hurry it's far better to mine on another site to get paid much faster.

Plus, any residual fractions of a coin that you have mined on Eligius get paid out usually at the end of the month so you won't lose anything. I know loads of people who have started mining on Eligius who got really annoyed about the 0.04 BTC initial payout threshold that they abandon mining here and now happily mine elsewhere.

Worse still, they then end up ridiculing the Eligius pool and miners merely because they wanted paid promptly for their work :(

I get a little fed up explaining it sometimes.

 :-\




Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: flounderella on March 17, 2014, 06:02:23 PM
Question on the min payout these days: is it 0.04194304 BTC as per the home page or is it really 0.01048576 BTC as per the options page.

Tx


If you're a new user it really is 0.04194304 BTC so if you're in a hurry it's far better to mine on another site to get paid much faster.

Plus, any residual fractions of a coin that you have mined on Eligius get paid out usually at the end of the month so you won't lose anything. I know loads of people who have started mining on Eligius who got really annoyed about the 0.04 BTC initial payout threshold that they abandon mining here and now happily mine elsewhere.

Worse still, they then end up ridiculing the Eligius pool and miners merely because they wanted paid promptly for their work :(

I get a little fed up explaining it sometimes.

 :-\




Oddly enough I'm able to change it from user options. So now it says:

Note: Your minimum payout was customized to 0.01048576 BTC under 'My Eligius'.

This doesn't correspond to what you said. Just confusing I guess. Anyways, doesn't really matter too much. I've always been paid by the pool :)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 17, 2014, 06:05:13 PM
Question on the min payout these days: is it 0.04194304 BTC as per the home page or is it really 0.01048576 BTC as per the options page.

Tx


If you're a new user it really is 0.04194304 BTC so if you're in a hurry it's far better to mine on another site to get paid much faster.

Plus, any residual fractions of a coin that you have mined on Eligius get paid out usually at the end of the month so you won't lose anything. I know loads of people who have started mining on Eligius who got really annoyed about the 0.04 BTC initial payout threshold that they abandon mining here and now happily mine elsewhere.

Worse still, they then end up ridiculing the Eligius pool and miners merely because they wanted paid promptly for their work :(

I get a little fed up explaining it sometimes.

 :-\




Oddly enough I'm able to change it from user options. So now it says:

Note: Your minimum payout was customized to 0.01048576 BTC under 'My Eligius'.

This doesn't correspond to what you said. Just confusing I guess.

I think the minimum was recently decreased and the help wasn't updated to reflect it.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: roy7 on March 17, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
The 0.04194304  is just the default. You can lower it further to the minimum.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: flounderella on March 17, 2014, 06:07:24 PM
The 0.04194304  is just the default. You can lower it further to the minimum.

Makes sense. Thanks


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: anth0ny on March 17, 2014, 07:27:40 PM
I know loads of people who have started mining on Eligius who got really annoyed about the 0.04 BTC initial payout threshold that they abandon mining here and now happily mine elsewhere.

I hear the miners over at CoinEX where there's no minimum are especially happy. ;)


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ujka on March 17, 2014, 07:34:40 PM
Out of curiosity, I calculated average luck on Eligius last 24 hours to be 323%!
I extracted that from 'blocks' stats page. Is there some graph picturing this? Or API to use for importing data?


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: joeofall on March 17, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
You get paid out once your mining contribution reaches the minimum amount, which is about 0.04BTC. You will be entered into the queue after reaching threshold and will get paid for all work done including work done between entering the queue and being paid.

i look at the queue, there is a list of payout, and there is a date saying 11 mth then reach payout


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 17, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
Out of curiosity, I calculated average luck on Eligius last 24 hours to be 323%!
I extracted that from 'blocks' stats page. Is there some graph picturing this? Or API to use for importing data?

Something seems wrong with that number.

Here's the info on the API:

http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis

I'm in the process of integrating the luck API in my MPoolMonitor app.

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: ujka on March 17, 2014, 07:50:41 PM
Out of curiosity, I calculated average luck on Eligius last 24 hours to be 323%!
I extracted that from 'blocks' stats page. Is there some graph picturing this? Or API to use for importing data?

Something seems wrong with that number.

Here's the info on the API:
http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis

I'm in the process of integrating the luck API in my MPoolMonitor app.

M
Thanks.
I didn't count in current block, very unlucky one, and there were two very lucky blocks: 2114,00% and 1240,20%.
From 2014-mar-16 13:46:29
To    2014-mar-17 13:19:57
28 blocks found
00:50:29 average time


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: redvette on March 17, 2014, 11:09:37 PM
IHi,

Looks like I am loosing hash rate with low difficulty shares.
Is it possible to set the workers minimum difficulty?

thanks,



Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: MrTeal on March 17, 2014, 11:20:47 PM
Out of curiosity, I calculated average luck on Eligius last 24 hours to be 323%!
I extracted that from 'blocks' stats page. Is there some graph picturing this? Or API to use for importing data?

Something seems wrong with that number.

Here's the info on the API:
http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis

I'm in the process of integrating the luck API in my MPoolMonitor app.

M
Thanks.
I didn't count in current block, very unlucky one, and there were two very lucky blocks: 2114,00% and 1240,20%.
From 2014-mar-16 13:46:29
To    2014-mar-17 13:19:57
28 blocks found
00:50:29 average time
That 50:29 is better than average, but nowhere near 300%. Are you sure you're not just averaging the luck % numbers? You can't do that.


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: mdude77 on March 17, 2014, 11:38:00 PM
Out of curiosity, I calculated average luck on Eligius last 24 hours to be 323%!
I extracted that from 'blocks' stats page. Is there some graph picturing this? Or API to use for importing data?

Something seems wrong with that number.

Here's the info on the API:
http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis

I'm in the process of integrating the luck API in my MPoolMonitor app.

M
Thanks.
I didn't count in current block, very unlucky one, and there were two very lucky blocks: 2114,00% and 1240,20%.
From 2014-mar-16 13:46:29
To    2014-mar-17 13:19:57
28 blocks found
00:50:29 average time
That 50:29 is better than average, but nowhere near 300%. Are you sure you're not just averaging the luck % numbers? You can't do that.

Is that because each luck % is "weighted", so 200% has more weight that 101% does?

M


Title: Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
Post by: baddw on March 18, 2014, 12:00:05 AM
Out of curiosity, I calculated average luck on Eligius last 24 hours to be 323%!
I extracted that from 'blocks' stats page. Is there some graph picturing this? Or API to use for importing data?

Something seems wrong with that number.

Here's the info on the API:
http://eligius.st/~gateway/pool-apis

I'm in the process of integrating the luck API in my MPoolMonitor app.

M
Thanks.
I didn't count in current block, very unlucky one, and there were two very lucky blocks: 2114,00% and 1240,20%.
From 2014-mar-16 13:46:29
To    2014-mar-17 13:19:57
28 blocks found
00:50:29 average time
That 50:29 is better than average, but nowhere near 300%. Are you sure you're not just averaging the luck % numbers? You can't do that.

Is that because each luck % is "weighted", so 200% has more weight that 101% does?

M

In a way, yes, it's weighted, but just due to the way that numbers work when you take the average of a percentage like this, and the way the luck percentage is calculated.  Take a look at an example.  

Let's say that the average block find time should be 1 hour, just to make the numbers easier.

BLOCK 1: 1.0 hour (100% luck)
BLOCK 2: 0.5 hour (200% luck)
BLOCK 3: 1.5 hour (66% luck)

Now, if you add 100% + 200% + 66%, you get 366%.  Divide by 3 blocks and you get 122%.  But if you look at the whole series of blocks, there were 3 blocks found in 3 hours, which is 100% luck.

If you