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Title: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 04:35:49 PM
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Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Kyraishi on January 31, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
"Only"2 bitcoin.
I cant stop laughing.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 04:53:07 PM
You can send them to me aswell!

I can't disclose my strategy but I'm an expert in "lending, arbitrage, trading and etc". "Etc" is where my expert level reaches the highest.

My strategy doubles your money every 7 weeks but I still need 1-2 BTC just to be nice to you.

Yeah.. so... send me money


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 05:02:44 PM
You can make fun of this all you want but there are actually people in this world that does things like this out of the "norm" of society.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
You can make fun of this all you want but there are actually people in this world that does things like this out of the "norm" of society.

Yes, some people like to be scammed. No news here.

Will you send me money? I'm gonna trade, arbitrage, invest and e.t.c. I'll focus extra heavy on etc
Money return guarantee! 12XP2kCEuTE9TdBaMgbnCzC6H9fuCjJCn1

Only 1 slot (per person) open


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 05:10:42 PM
^ Can you prove this is a scam?  You're entitled to your own opinion but don't start accusing me of something I'm not.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Kyraishi on January 31, 2014, 05:20:53 PM
if scam can be proved, no one will be scammed. LOL


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
Because you, without a business model, claim you have a way to make the highest guaranteed yields in the history of mankind yet you want other people money to do this.

1% return a day means you double your money every 70 days, so after a year you'd go from 1BTC to 32BTC, and by the end of the second year it'd be hundreds and hundres of BTC. By the end of the decade you'd own every BTC in circulation.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Qwiner on January 31, 2014, 05:42:56 PM
^ Can you prove this is a scam?  You're entitled to your own opinion but don't start accusing me of something I'm not.


IT IS OBVIOUS, beside, I was scam by scum like U previously,

U ask for a  large initial outlay
The payment system is non-refundable

One victim is enough to make U rich, 1 Bitcoin = 2 weeks' income, based on min. wages.


How can U ensure that U will not run away once U receive the Bitcoin? Someone once said, "if something is 2 good 2be true, then it is a scam"




Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
Because you, without a business model, claim you have a way to make the highest guaranteed yields in the history of mankind yet you want other people money to do this.

1% return a day means you double your money every 70 days, so after a year you'd go from 1BTC to 32BTC, and by the end of the second year it'd be hundreds and hundres of BTC. By the end of the decade you'd own every BTC in circulation.
Even with the most elaborate business model, there's a chance it could be a scam regardless so it doesn't matter how enticing a proposal may sound. In the end, it comes down to risk. As the saying goes, "No risk, no glory", but I'm not implying people should risk into things blindly. Everyone should practice self-diligence and do their own homework and not risk more than they are willing to lose. My yields are not guaranteed which is why I'm offering coverage for the investment.

You calculation for ROI is sound but only in a perfect world which doesn't have external factors limiting the outcome. Sort of sounds like a BTC calculator, people who don't understand how the market operates tend to believe the monthly ROI is set in stone and that is how much one will make. Regardless, the yields I'm offering is high because this is a start-off. If/when I create a positive portfolio for myself, it's only natural that the yields will fluctuate.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
IT IS OBVIOUS, beside, I was scam by scum like U previously,

U ask for a  large initial outlay
The payment system is non-refundable

One victim is enough to make U rich, 1 Bitcoin = 2 weeks' income, based on min. wages.

How can U ensure that U will not run away once U receive the Bitcoin? Someone once said, "if something is 2 good 2be true, then it is a scam"
I apologize for your poor investment decisions but don't label me as another bad apple because of your past experience.

2BTC is not considered "rich" to me. There's nothing I can do to prove this isn't a scam other than taking a risk in me and in the end and see it for themselves that it isn't.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 06:03:42 PM
Even with the most elaborate business model, there's a chance it could be a scam regardless so it doesn't matter how enticing a proposal may sound.

Yes? So what? You don't offer ANY business model. If you have an elaborate businessmodel that work, you don't need to scam.


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In the end, it comes down to risk.

Yes, and you claim zero risk, because you say you'll pay the money back. That means this is a giveaway, so why do you want other people money? Just ask two people for their BTC-adress and send money there every 10 days.

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As the saying goes, "No risk, no glory", but I'm not implying people should risk into things blindly.

Yes you do, because there is no way to calcuate risk. Unless, of course, people would believe you and your claim of 0% risk. See my previous point for that.


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Everyone should practice self-diligence and do their own homework and not risk more than they are willing to lose. My yields are not guaranteed which is why I'm offering coverage for the investment.

No one can do homework, as you offer no way to value your work.

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You calculation for ROI is sound but only in a perfect world which doesn't have external factors limiting the outcome.

L O L - yeah in a perfect world you'd own every bitcoin by the end of the century. Enugh said


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Sort of sounds like a BTC calculator, people who don't understand how the market operates tend to believe the monthly ROI is set in stone and that is how much one will make.

So, why claim you have a monthy ROI if you can't stick to that claim

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Regardless, the yields I'm offering is high because this is a start-off. If/when I create a positive portfolio for myself, it's only natural that the yields will fluctuate.

L O L - you OFFER these yields. Not like you'd have a model that would return these models in the long run then.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
^ I'm too tired of going back and forth with you Jungian. Just keep whatever you have to yourself. I don't need anymore slandering on this topic. End of story. You have the right to voice your own opinion but lets just cap it at that. You obviously have something against my proposal but I don't need you to start preaching to the choir or start twisting my words around.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 06:09:21 PM
^ I'm too tired of going back and forth with you Jungian. Just keep whatever you have to yourself. I don't need anymore slandering on this topic. End of story. You have the right to voice your own opinion but lets just cap it at that. You obviously have something against my proposal but I don't need you to start preaching to the choir.

We are not going back and forth as you don't give anything back. Don't tell me what I can and can not write on this topic.

Of course a scammer doesn't want to be called out on his scam, that's the nature of the scammer.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 06:17:16 PM
^ There's a difference between voicing your opinion and something turning into blatant harassment. Now I regret my decision to not start this thread off with self-moderation knowing full well of comments from people like you. But then again, if I did that you'd probably question if I weren't a scammer.. why would I need to op-mod the thread, etc etc. I guess there just isn't a way to please you is there? Would you be more content if I said I am deliberately scamming? Would that put you to ease?

I'm not giving anything back (in terms of a model) because I choose not to. I've never said there isn't any risk involved. The risk in itself is the investment, if it turns out to be a scam.. then poof, there goes the btc. If it turns out I'm not scamming, then poof.. everyone is happy (but I'm sure you'll still find some way to voice your "opinion", wouldn't you?) And regarding the "btc calculator" comment, I was using that as an example.. not a guarantee of monthly ROI.

Anyways, I digress, I'm going to cease my response to you since this isn't going anywhere.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Micon on January 31, 2014, 06:36:57 PM
^ Can you prove this is a scam?  You're entitled to your own opinion but don't start accusing me of something I'm not.

I can prove you are a scam. 

I am willing to insure 100% of your initial investment amount. So if there comes a scenario where the investment fails or I'm unable to generate the ROI as intended, I will personally reimburse the full investment amount back to you.

This is easy.  You currently state that you are willing to take 2 btc for your scheme & if you fail you will insure 100%.  So I will personally cover the escrow costs & require that you escrow the 2 btc first before soliciting 2 btc worth of investment.  Please list publicly all investors, even if anonymous list by wallet address, to make sure you have not taken in more investment than you have escrowed to back your 100% return policy. 

Also, this is in not way gambling.

Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order. 


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 06:41:29 PM
^ Can you prove this is a scam?  You're entitled to your own opinion but don't start accusing me of something I'm not.

I can prove you are a scam.  

I am willing to insure 100% of your initial investment amount. So if there comes a scenario where the investment fails or I'm unable to generate the ROI as intended, I will personally reimburse the full investment amount back to you.

This is easy.  You currently state that you are willing to take 2 btc for your scheme & if you fail you will insure 100%.  So I will personally cover the escrow costs & require that you escrow the 2 btc first before soliciting 2 btc worth of investment.  Please list publicly all investors, even if anonymous list by wallet address, to make sure you have not taken in more investment than you have escrowed to back your 100% return policy.  

Also, this is in not way gambling.

Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order.  

Very good and simple idea!


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
I can prove you are a scam.
Please, by all means, prove to me this is a scam. Prove that, even before I am able to acquire 2 investors that this is a scam to begin with.

This is easy.  You currently state that you are willing to take 2 btc for your scheme & if you fail you will insure 100%.  So I will personally cover the escrow costs & require that you escrow the 2 btc first before soliciting 2 btc worth of investment.  Please list publicly all investors, even if anonymous list by wallet address, to make sure you have not taken in more investment than you have escrowed to back your 100% return policy.  

Also, this is in not way gambling.

Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order.  
Great idea. I'll be willing to escrow 2btc to a reputable agent as a 3rd party if you're (Micron) willing to cover the escrow fees. My 2btc can stay there until the investment period is over or if the investment fails the agent can send my btc as collateral back to the investor. I'm willing to do that without an issue. If this can further reinforce my proposal/portfolio, I'm willing to make it happen.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: FUR11 on January 31, 2014, 07:01:45 PM

If you're thinking to yourself "but wait, if you already have 2BTC, why not invest your own BTC instead?". My answer is simple: I want to build a trust relationship with my investors and on BTCTalk. It's true I can invest my own Bitcoins and there isn't a reason why I shouldn't but I genuinely want to help others out (while of course earning my own portion of the return in the process - nondisclosed info as well) while making a name for myself.

This doesn't make any sense unless you are planning on taking investments in the future that you CANNOT cover.  Otherwise you are just giving away money, and if you are just going to give away money why do it under the pretext of an investment?  Doesn't make any sense.

Also, if you have a surefire, 100% guaranteed investment opportunity, that returns OVER 15% every two weeks, why wouldn't you just sit all of your money in it for a year or so and make a MILLION BILLION GAJILLION DOLLARS?


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 07:08:54 PM
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Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important. I don't plan on taking more than what I cannot cover. I can always use Micon's proposal of an escrow agent to show what I'm able to cover and list the current investors publicly.  The current yields I'm offering does not exceed 15%. It's not guaranteed either which is why I'm willing to offering insurance out of my own pockets.

You can tell yourself it doesn't make sense or it's too good to be true and whatever sayings that follows that. You can question my agenda.. but when it comes down to it, this is simply to build my trust rating and make money for my investor and I (and yes.. in that specific order)


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important.

It's very simple. Start by identifying yourself and show your track record and credentials.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 07:17:01 PM
Nope, I'm keeping my personal info, personal. I'd like to keep my personal life as far away from btctalk as possible and that's my decision. My persona on here is what's made available and that's pretty much it. I'll start here and work my way up.  If this idea flops then let it be, I can still continue doing what I'm already doing.

I'm sure if anyone is committed enough, they'll be able to find more info about me on google than what I'm already willing to disclose but I'm positive nothing you find about me will be affiliated scamming scenarios.  But, whatever, whatever you find is beyond my control.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
Nope, I'm keeping my personal info, personal. I'd like to keep my personal life as far away from btctalk as possible and that's my decision. My persona on here is what's made available and that's pretty much it. I'll start here and work my way up.  If this idea flops then let it be, I can still continue doing what I'm already doing.

So you value people not knowing who takes their money higher than your "trust portfolio".

Sounds legit.


Funny: reading your history you have such epic quotes as:

"Everyone should know this will not work regardless of whatever "miracle" method is being used.  The ONLY thing you should use and remember to use whenever you come across advertisement like this is... "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EASY MONEY!""

We should probably take your own advice.

and according to yourself, last year your were "newborn" in the BTC-community, yet now you are a skilled profesional that can easily make 15% ROI in BTC-investments every week for everyone.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: FUR11 on January 31, 2014, 07:38:29 PM
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Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important. I don't plan on taking more than what I cannot cover. I can always use Micon's proposal of an escrow agent to show what I'm able to cover and list the current investors publicly.  The current yields I'm offering does not exceed 15%. It's not guaranteed either which is why I'm willing to offering insurance out of my own pockets.

You can tell yourself it doesn't make sense or it's too good to be true and whatever sayings that follows that. You can question my agenda.. but when it comes down to it, this is simply to build my trust rating and make money for my investor and I (and yes.. in that specific order)

Ok, let's build trust.  I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest.  You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right?  So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money.  Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment.  If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
So you value people not knowing who takes their money higher than your "trust portfolio".

Sounds legit.

Funny: reading your history you have such epic quotes as:

"Everyone should know this will not work regardless of whatever "miracle" method is being used.  The ONLY thing you should use and remember to use whenever you come across advertisement like this is... "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EASY MONEY!""

We should probably take your own advice.

and according to yourself, last year your were "newborn" in the BTC-community, yet now you are a skilled profesional that can easily make 15% ROI in BTC-investments every week for everyone.
Think what you want. Everyone should indeed take that advice. This isn't easy money, at least not for myself, I spend an ample amount of time in this field. I guess the byproduct is the lack of involvement the investor has, other than investing the money in itself. I'm assuming when you mean "for everyone".. you mean the 2 investors I'm trying to acquire.

First you' call me out as a scammer.
Then I agree to use Micon's idea of an escrow agent as a 3rd party agent to hold the insurance coverage to prove my point.
Now you want info on my personal life.
If for some reason I release my personal info.. I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.

I'm sorry.. but there isn't really a way to please you. You can start preaching "you expect us to give you something for nothing in return about who you are, your reputation and/or investment model, your social security number.. etc etc etc." My answer to you is, in a nutshell, is: "Yes, that is exactly how this is going to work".


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 07:49:03 PM
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Think what you want. Everyone should indeed take that advice. This isn't easy money, at least not for myself, I spend an ample amount of time in this field. I guess the byproduct is the lack of involvement the investor has, other than investing the money in itself. I'm assuming when you mean "for everyone".. you mean the 2 investors I'm trying to acquire.

First you' call me out as a scammer.
Then I agree to use Micon's idea of an escrow agent as a 3rd party agent to hold the insurance coverage to prove my point.
Now you want info on my personal life.
If for some reason I release my personal info.. I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.

I'm sorry.. but there isn't really a way to please you. You can start preaching "you expect us to give you something for nothing in return about who you are, your reputation and/or investment model, your social security number.. etc etc etc." My answer to you is, in a nutshell, is: "Yes, that is exactly how this is going to work".

Yes, that is exactly how this scam works out. You have 0 credentials to back up your claim and that is why you are being called out on it.

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I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.

L O L of course. That's the least you can ask. As someone who is "in the field" I'd assume you'd know this from your vast experince. But I guess you don't ask the people you are going to loan the money too either? You just give them money and for no reason hope they'd pay you back?

Micon's idea is a good start but it doesn't prove anything other than you are willing to spend 0.2 - 0.3 btc to lure in more people to scam from next round.

The mere fact that you are being defensive when asked about your strategies is a tell tale sign of a scammer.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 07:49:57 PM
Ok, let's build trust.  I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest.  You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right?  So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money.  Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment.  If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?
That's just giving you return from out of nowhere. No more different than me giving 0.15btc to random strangers. Good try there buddy, good try. This investment is a 2-way deal. Whatever you invest in me, I cut a portion of my return back at you (hence the 15% ROI), whatever else I make, I take some of that and put it back into the insurance funds so I can build a bigger base. So in the future, I can offer 3,4,5,6+ and so on BTC of coverage.

If you're asking why I'm not already doing that with my own btc funds, go back up and read why the trust portfolio is the primary focus. Even if I sent you 0.15btc from out of nowhere and you offer a positive feedback rating. That rating is just going to be how I gave you free btc and not about the investment experience, in it's proper scence.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: MsCollec on January 31, 2014, 07:52:19 PM
Why is this in gambling  ???


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 07:53:43 PM
Ok, let's build trust.  I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest.  You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right?  So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money.  Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment.  If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?
That's just giving you return from out of nowhere. No more different than me giving 0.15btc to random strangers. Good try there buddy, good try. This investment is a 2-way deal. Whatever you invest in me, I cut a portion of my return back at you (hence the 15% ROI), whatever else I make, I take some of that and put it back into the insurance funds so I can build a bigger base. So in the future, I can offer 3,4,5,6+ and so on BTC of coverage.

If you're asking why I'm not already doing that with my own btc funds, go back up and read why the trust portfolio is the primary focus. Even if I sent you 0.15btc from out of nowhere and you offer a positive feedback rating. That rating is just going to be how I gave you free btc and not about the investment experience, in it's proper scence.

Why would you have a problem with offering more now? You said you quite some experience in the field and can generate 10-15% ROI every two weeks. That must have generated quite a fortune for your already.
And how would that be different from now? How can I judge the "investment expericen" from other than what you claim you can return, as you dont offer any other details.

In your own words (speak about harrasment and stuff).

SCAM
DON'T BE A FOOL.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
Yes, that is exactly how this scam works out. You have 0 credentials to back up your claim and that is why you are being called out on it.

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I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.

L O L of course. That's the least you can ask. As someone who is "in the field" I'd assume you'd know this from your vast experince. But I guess you don't ask the people you are going to loan the money too either? You just give them money and for no reason hope they'd pay you back?

Micon's idea is a good start but it doesn't prove anything other than you are willing to spend 0.2 - 0.3 btc to lure in more people to scam from next round.

The mere fact that you are being defensive when asked about your strategies is a tell tale sign of a scammer.
Yea, I understand I have no creds but that's just how it's gonna be. I know it's not going to help me but that's what I'm sticking with. Call me a scammer for not releasing personal info any time you want... frankly, I don't care anymore what you have to say.

At any giving point in time, there can only be a certain amount of individual I am willing to take in. It doesn't make sense why I would continue to build a bigger base of exposure only to screw the last few investors later on and ultimately destroying my credentials on btctalk.. at least, not to me. If anyone is worried about being scammed, the escrow method is the best fail-proof way of going about this and I'm all in for it. But if you start complaining how this is a scam because I refuse to release personal info about myself.. then sorry, you're out of luck on that one.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 07:58:25 PM
Why is this in gambling  ???
Because under btctalk's post guideline.. investment opportunity should be made under the gambling thread.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: FUR11 on January 31, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Ok, let's build trust.  I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest.  You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right?  So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money.  Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment.  If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?
That's just giving you return from out of nowhere. No more different than me giving 0.15btc to random strangers. Good try there buddy, good try. This investment is a 2-way deal. Whatever you invest in me, I cut a portion of my return back at you (hence the 15% ROI), whatever else I make, I take some of that and put it back into the insurance funds so I can build a bigger base. So in the future, I can offer 3,4,5,6+ and so on BTC of coverage.

If you're asking why I'm not already doing that with my own btc funds, go back up and read why the trust portfolio is the primary focus. Even if I sent you 0.15btc from out of nowhere and you offer a positive feedback rating. That rating is just going to be how I gave you free btc and not about the investment experience, in it's proper scence.

Again, you are being illogical.  Me sending you money doesn't build trust in YOU, it builds trust in me.

So, again, I'd like to invest with you.  But sending you the money doesn't make much sense since I'm 100% guaranteed to get it back, right?  See that's the fallacy in your plan.  You are offering something for nothing, but are still asking people to risk something (by assuming you will send them their money back).  


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Micon on January 31, 2014, 08:01:42 PM
Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important.

Nope, I'm keeping my personal info, personal. I'd like to keep my personal life as far away from btctalk as possible and that's my decision.

These two statements are clearly at odds with each other.

Also, since you will be escrowing the entire principal for the entirety of this scam, (for instance, if you say you can take 50 BTC in investment you will be required to post 50 BTC to escrow) of what importance would it be to build a "trust portfolio" ?  No one is ever going to trust you to hold BTC for 100% no-lose investment unless you post 100% yourself?  no trust ever needed, right?


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 08:02:51 PM
Yes, that is exactly how this scam works out. You have 0 credentials to back up your claim and that is why you are being called out on it.

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I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.

L O L of course. That's the least you can ask. As someone who is "in the field" I'd assume you'd know this from your vast experince. But I guess you don't ask the people you are going to loan the money too either? You just give them money and for no reason hope they'd pay you back?

Micon's idea is a good start but it doesn't prove anything other than you are willing to spend 0.2 - 0.3 btc to lure in more people to scam from next round.

The mere fact that you are being defensive when asked about your strategies is a tell tale sign of a scammer.
Yea, I understand I have no creds but that's just how it's gonna be. I know it's not going to help me but that's what I'm sticking with. Call me a scammer for not releasing personal info any time you want... frankly, I don't care anymore what you have to say.

At any giving point in time, there can only be a certain amount of individual I am willing to take in. It doesn't make sense why I would continue to build a bigger base of exposure only to screw the last few investors later on and ultimately destroying my credentials on btctalk.. at least, not to me. If anyone is worried about being scammed, the escrow method is the best fail-proof way of going about this and I'm all in for it. But if you start complaining how this is a scam because I refuse to release personal info about myself.. then sorry, you're out of luck on that one.

I am not out of luck on this one. You are out of luck on it. I don't have a stake in it.
No, you wouldn't care now would you. It's so easy not to answer the simplest of questions and act like it's unreasonable.

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It doesn't make sense why I would continue to build a bigger base of exposure only to screw the last few investors later on and ultimately destroying my credentials on btctalk.

Oh, you mean like every pyramid scheme EVER? No that wouldn't make sense for a scammer. Yeah, destroy your nonexsistant credentials on a forum where you want to be anonomus. How horrible that would be..



Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Micon on January 31, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
So, again, I'd like to invest with you.  But sending you the money doesn't make much sense since I'm 100% guaranteed to get it back, right?  See that's the fallacy in your plan.  You are offering something for nothing, but are still asking people to risk something (by assuming you will send them their money back).  

I agree, I too would like to invest.  Because it is 100% money-back guarantee, I would prefer for you to just start sending me the profits, as instead of escrowing your 2 btc, please use those 2 btc to start generating profits for FUR11 and me here.

We are both in for 1 btc each, please update your OP and close the offering until this one is paid out + 15%.  


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 08:05:32 PM
Again, you are being illogical.  Me sending you money doesn't build trust in YOU, it builds trust in me.

So, again, I'd like to invest with you.  But sending you the money doesn't make much sense since I'm 100% guaranteed to get it back, right?  See that's the fallacy in your plan.  You are offering something for nothing, but are still asking people to risk something (by assuming you will send them their money back).  
I think the illogical one here is you. The insurance funds are for insurance coverage ONLY. Not for reinvestment. I use your investment to make a return. Your return which will be 0.15% of your initial investment, or in other words 0.15btc return, is a cut from my return. That's the end of the deal as far as me and my investor are concerned. As for what I do with my portion of the return, I split it up.. some goes back into the insurance pot, the rest into my savings.

Yes, it builds your trust but also my trust at the same time seeing how I'm able to give you back the yields. Win-win, no?


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Jungian on January 31, 2014, 08:07:28 PM
Again, you are being illogical.  Me sending you money doesn't build trust in YOU, it builds trust in me.

So, again, I'd like to invest with you.  But sending you the money doesn't make much sense since I'm 100% guaranteed to get it back, right?  See that's the fallacy in your plan.  You are offering something for nothing, but are still asking people to risk something (by assuming you will send them their money back).  
I think the illogical one here is you. The insurance funds are for insurance coverage ONLY. Not for reinvestment. I use your investment to make a return. Your return which will be 0.15% of your initial investment, or in other words 0.15btc return, is a cut from my return. That's the end of the deal as far as me and my investor are concerned. As for what I do with my portion of the return, I split it up.. some goes back into the insurance pot, the rest into my savings.

What's so hard to understand about this? It really is that simple.

That's exactly what he is offering you. And he even saves you the transactions fees from the escrow.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Kyraishi on January 31, 2014, 08:11:40 PM
jayeeyee 0.15% of 1 btc is 0.0015 btc not 0.15btc.
or you mean 15% of course.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
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Would it make everyone understand this easier when I say the insurance pot cannot be used to invest? When I mean I'm keeping my personal life far away from btctalk means just that. But my btctalk persona "jayeeyee" is what I'm building in terms of trust. Pretend this is an experiment I fabbed up just so I can build my trust rating, if that helps.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: FUR11 on January 31, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
Again, you are being illogical.  Me sending you money doesn't build trust in YOU, it builds trust in me.

So, again, I'd like to invest with you.  But sending you the money doesn't make much sense since I'm 100% guaranteed to get it back, right?  See that's the fallacy in your plan.  You are offering something for nothing, but are still asking people to risk something (by assuming you will send them their money back).  
I think the illogical one here is you. The insurance funds are for insurance coverage ONLY. Not for reinvestment. I use your investment to make a return. Your return which will be 0.15% of your initial investment, or in other words 0.15btc return, is a cut from my return. That's the end of the deal as far as me and my investor are concerned. As for what I do with my portion of the return, I split it up.. some goes back into the insurance pot, the rest into my savings.

Yes, it builds your trust but also my trust at the same time seeing how I'm able to give you back the yields. Win-win, no?

Exactly.  You are insuring my investment by investing the insurance money.  It works out the EXACT same either way, and since you are insuring my investment 100%, there is no need to send you money since you promised that I'd get it back 100% of the time.  It just wastes time.  So has the investment began yet?  I believe Micon and I both took you up on your offer, so that's the two people max.  I'm assuming the investment has began, yes?  Is there some place I can track or watch it?  


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 08:13:54 PM
jayeeyee 0.15% of 1 btc is 0.0015 btc not 0.15btc.
or you mean 15% of course.
It's 15% of 1BTC.. not in fiat. Market value of BTC has no value to yields. All yields are in BTC in that of itself.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: FUR11 on January 31, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
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Would it make everyone understand this easier when I say the insurance pot cannot be used to invest? When I mean I'm keeping my personal life far away from btctalk means just that. But my btctalk persona "jayeeyee" is what I'm building in terms of trust. Pretend this is an experiment I fabbed up just so I can build my trust rating, if that helps.

That doesn't make sense.  The insurance pot MUST be liquid, otherwise it's not a 100% insurance.  And we know that it's liquid, since you were willing to escrow it an hour ago.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
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It is liquid but I'm not touching it other than for the reason to cover loses and that's it. Yes, I understand my system doesn't make sense and takes additional unnecessary steps when I can avoid it altogether just investing by myself.. but I cannot build a portfolio by giving myself positive feedbacks. As far as how this system works.. it requires an investor investing 1 btc. Period... my system, my rules. :)


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: the joint on January 31, 2014, 08:20:20 PM
Hey, OP.  You're not a secret agent.  I'm also betting that you're not a genius since you apparently haven't considered how absolutely ridiculous your proposal sounds from a 3rd-party perspective.

Give us a solid business model or we can only assume you're just a common thief.

I fully discourage anyone from investing with you, and your proposal has solidified the fact that you and I will never have a business relationship of any kind.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 08:21:40 PM
^Alright, I respect that.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: quone17 on January 31, 2014, 08:23:34 PM
From my perspective, I would think the INITIAL investors will be just fine.  They obviously will be fine if they have the 1 BTC escrowed, so there's nothing that can really go wrong there.  My thinking would be that a scam would come down the line after the OP has trust and someone "invests" way more BTC with him.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on January 31, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
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That's the assumption I'm getting here... but I guess we'll eventually find out whether or not that'll happen. Who knows, maybe one day I'll just stop doing this.. but of course after I pay the dividends back to my investors. ;)


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: quone17 on February 01, 2014, 09:46:45 PM
Will you pay escrow fees for 1 BTC? If so I'll probably do it since I have no chance of a loss.


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Micon on February 02, 2014, 04:21:41 AM
Again, you are being illogical.  Me sending you money doesn't build trust in YOU, it builds trust in me.

So, again, I'd like to invest with you.  But sending you the money doesn't make much sense since I'm 100% guaranteed to get it back, right?  See that's the fallacy in your plan.  You are offering something for nothing, but are still asking people to risk something (by assuming you will send them their money back).  
I think the illogical one here is you. The insurance funds are for insurance coverage ONLY. Not for reinvestment. I use your investment to make a return. Your return which will be 0.15% of your initial investment, or in other words 0.15btc return, is a cut from my return. That's the end of the deal as far as me and my investor are concerned. As for what I do with my portion of the return, I split it up.. some goes back into the insurance pot, the rest into my savings.

Yes, it builds your trust but also my trust at the same time seeing how I'm able to give you back the yields. Win-win, no?

Exactly.  You are insuring my investment by investing the insurance money.  It works out the EXACT same either way, and since you are insuring my investment 100%, there is no need to send you money since you promised that I'd get it back 100% of the time.  It just wastes time.  So has the investment began yet?  I believe Micon and I both took you up on your offer, so that's the two people max.  I'm assuming the investment has began, yes?  Is there some place I can track or watch it?  

he's right, jayeeyee.  There is no need for us to send money.  You are insuring it 100%. 

Here's how it would work the way you want to do it:

1) you send the escrow 2 btc [ i pay the fees ] [Total amount of BTC in the system from jayeeyee:  2 btc]
2) FUR11 and I both send you 1 btc and you arbitrage your face off. 

But here is how FUR11 and I want to do it:

1)  We both send you no bitcoins, because this looks extremely shady.  And for sure it's definitely not gambling so hashtag report to moderator anyway.
2)  you take the 2 bitcoins you were going to escrow, but instead treat them as our investment.  Think of it as an ipso-facto. [total amount of BTC in the ssytem from jayeeyee:  2 btc]

so you are still out the same BTC, 2, from your wallet to start this scam anyway.  No reason to pay the escrow fees.



Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: Micon on February 02, 2014, 04:26:32 AM
...when I can avoid it altogether just investing by myself.. but I cannot build a portfolio by giving myself positive feedbacks. As far as how this system works.. it requires an investor investing 1 btc. Period... my system, my rules. :)

level of writing:  ~9th grade
Fallacy:  "I cannot build a portfolio by giving myself positive feedbacks"  But you could make a shit ton of money if what you said was true.  Why the fuck do you need portfolio of feedbacks if you are just clocking it like a boss making coins?  No sane man would randomly share it.  Just doesn't happen.  Just always a scam.  Always.  You only need a portfolio of trusts if you want to borrow a large sum by taking "investments" But we already told you we require 100% escrow for this so you can never roll anyone. 

Also, this is not gambling.  "Report to Moderator"


Title: Re: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI
Post by: jayeeyee on February 03, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
I see you're still very much heated over my topic Micon but I'm sure you'll be happy to hear when I say I've given up my proposal since it was getting no where. If anyone in this world wanted to do any sort of investment related opportunities; there's always a certain amount of risk involved. In this case, if no one is willing to take that risk in me (which is totally fine) then I'm not willing to risk anything on my end (in this case, guaranteeing that investment).

Just forget about how my model was proposed, how it works or how crazy it sounded. At this point, it doesn't matter because I'm not longer following up on it. I'm back doing what I've been doing and nothing has changed on my end. However, you are wrong about one thing.. good deeds do happen in this world. Take for example the homeless man in Bulgaria who has been panhandling his entire life.. and then donated every cent (about $40k euro) to his local church. I can see where you're coming from though; since this forum is saturated with Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. The first sign of anything remotely promising is automatically flagged down as scam or something of the sort... but... don't misunderstand me here either because I know that the Bitcoin community has seen more bad apples than good ones, which is unfortunate.

But, I digress. I was willing to help others out and I was genuinely going to see it through but after all this "drama".. I don't see why I should bother for a lost cause. Finally.. for your information, this post is absolutely in the correct thread. If you are familiar with the Marketplace thread, you'd know that investment post falls under the category of "Gambling". So yea, go ahead and report me if that makes you feel better about the world.