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An open beta of the current eMunie client will be released to the public, and be freely available for download and general use on the rescheduled dates.  


NOTICE

As many are aware, the release of the OB1 should of been today (1st Feb) at 9PM UTC.  Unfortunately at 2.40PM UTC in the afternoon we had a critical failure of our forum and email servers.  At this point the root cause is undetermined, be it hardware failure, software or DDOS.  

The cause isn't important as it is past, but this disruption this afternoon, especially of email systems which are crucial, required our immediate and extended attention to resolve and as such the preparation of OB1 was affected.  Despite our frustrations, and best efforts to stay on schedule, it was decided at 8PM UTC this evening to postpone so that a calm & collected release could be achieved as per our original intention.

OB1 is currently our #1 priority now that email services have been restored, thus the forum will stay offline until Monday evening as migrations to new hardware and configurations are time consuming, therefore allowing us to prepare OB1 with unhindered focus.  We appreciate this is a little frustrating so we ask for your patience and understanding with regards to the eMunie forum's operation & availability.
 

OB1

The purpose of this open beta is to provide a real world environment test of the eMunie network & systems to allow us to pinpoint any potential issues, and have an opportunity to fix them before V1.0 launch.
 
Additionally, this open beta is to allow parties interested in the upcoming IPO to "test drive" the system so that they can be sure eMunie is the right investment opportunity for them.
 
Note:  All eMu, ENS entries, Assets, Messages, Chat and other data will be DELETED at the end of the OB1 session, and the OB1 beta will cease to function!
 
 
Whats in?
 
At the present time, most of the core eMunie features are in place and have been developed to completion and seen many rounds of beta testing.  Furthermore a large number of the peripheral services such as messaging and chat are developed to a basic level and are also present in OB1.
 
Following is a brief list of the main feature set for the OB1 client:
 
Anonymous, encrypted transactions
Transaction messages
Block-tree record model
Core functional complete assets
Complete ENS (eMunie Name System)
Basic implementation of secure, encrypted messaging
Basic implementation of ERC (eMunie Relay Chat)
Basic implementation of ratings and profiles
Basic economics model for inflation/deflation of supply
API interface for most of the above features
 

Whats not in?
 
A few components of the eMunie system are not present or enabled in OB1.  This is due to them either still being in final development, have remaining issues pending investigation or are in final beta testing, with some scheduled to be enabled for OB2.
 
Following is a list of components not enabled for OB1:
 
Distributed P2P exchange (OB2 scheduled)
Distributed market place (OB2 scheduled)
Final economic model
API calls for the above
Remote admin panel for clients
The above features once completed and tested will complete the feature list for the V1.0 launch client scheduled in March.
 
 
Known Issues
 
There are a number of minor issues we are aware of currently and will likely be present in the OB1 release.  These are mainly GUI issues, some of which are localized to MacOS systems, but do not pose much other than an annoyance to normal operation of the client.
 
Most of these known issues will be resolved for the OB2 release in a few weeks time, plus any issues found & reported during OB1.
 
 
How Can You Help?
 
We are very excited about the OB1 release this week and hopefully, no major issues will be discovered.  However, to expect a perfectly clean and bug free client would be naive, so if you do spot anything that seems wrong or out of the ordinary, please do report it on the forum so that we can investigate and improve the user experience of the client, no matter how small the issue may seem.
 

Cool looking forward to this  :D

A day or two of delay will have zero impact if we all see a solid client upon release.  Good luck, sorry your project got delayed. 

I guess patience is a virtue. However, we look forward to trying the OB1!

Dan, I've been lurking here for awhile. I've seen all the FUD and accusations and so on. I've seen how you and the team have handled them. So far, I'm thinking you are a class act. A lovely, functional client will seal the deal for me. Best of luck, and I can't wait to see what y'all have put together!

Could we just have ob1 on
a
[1] drop box link,
[2] Mediafire link
[3] Mega link
[4] torrent.
[5]google drive.
[6]github


rather than rely on buggy forum software/hardware (as it turns out) or susceptible to ddos.
otherwise the second launch date will be shot down by the same or similar or copycat ddos attack etc.


That way nothing can stop you, and it free's up 100% of you valuable time to dev OB1 for release.

And how do we manage questions, testing, bug reports etc etc with no community forum or collective organization?

Simply using a bitcointalk.org topic, as quite all the  bit currencies has done.

Come on, If you really want to do one thing nobody can stop you

Ste

do it here, or on a sub reddit as a stop gap

its fine! in fact better than that, eg nxt did a complete code review and launch that is over a thousand pages long, doge as well handled a massive view rate easily, there there is the goldcolapsing up thread, some million/200K views or something


or put up a google docs excel or something to aggregate issues if you so chose.


This will be far more robust than probably any other forum, and the migrate later.

make up a emunieproplems@gmail if needs be.

even a twitter feed for bugs could work

I do think using this forum would be optimal. I know that there have been many haters and skeptics on here... but I think once Obi-Wan is released (I like that codename.  :P) people will look upon eMunie in a more positive light, and be a helpful resource for further development/bug squashing.

I was skeptical myself until I got accepted into the closed beta. I knew and understood very little about eMunie... it helped a lot to both try out the software and follow the discussion in the chat. So I'm optimistic that the same will be true for bitcointalk.

Good luck to Team eMunie  ;D

Exciting times!

All the best for eMunie  :)

All of your recommendations are 'maybe' viable options, but only IF they had been the communication medium from the beginning.  However, switching to them now would invite further confusion among the base of existing users, not to mention the utter chaos and confusion this would present to those with whom we are truly trying to attract:  the average joe (ie. the less than 1% of the world not already part of us crypto-nuts.)

In addition, without a forum where we can express the ideology in a clear and structured manner there would be limited methods at our disposal to ensure no misinformation was presented to the user.  This confusion among new users would only serve to limit wider adoption.  Moreover (and not to denigrate this forum and it's goals), but to have an emunie thread within "bitcoin"-talk would then imply that we are effectively no different from all of the exsting and newly created "bitcoin"-like solutions.  This is absolutely not the message we want to portray.  Same implication with pretty much every other proposed solution (although I do appreciate your providing them as reference).

In the end, the medium of communication is not primarily about being "robust" (although this is important and is being addressed), but more importantly an ideology of having the utmost respect towards the one truly deflationary currency ALL of us have in limited supply:  Time.

Basically, there are many of us that don't have the 12+ hours a day that are often needed to scan, search, hope and pray we can find the "true" answer to our question on a product we decide to spend our 'time currency' on as would be the case with the proposed alternatives.  In addition, once you go down the path of using these alternative mediums it becomes infinitely more difficult with each passing day to migrate back to a more polished and structured environment.  

Not sure about Doge, but even the Nxt 1400+ page thread has recently commented on how challenging it is for them to imagine a way to transition from their "1" hyper-long 1400+ page thread and instead "try to move the conversation back to the structured forum they already have" for Q&A.  Challenging indeed.  Even more challenging for a 'new' user thinking about using Nxt.  

Its much like the restaurant example.  You go out to eat one evening and your considering 2 new restaurants that are side by side with each other. One has a huge amount of people already eating (1400+ pages and growing at the rate of 2+ pages per hour) and one where no one seems to be at all (structured forum).  Which one do you choose?  Oh sure, if you had an infinite amount of time (ie. not really hungry) to research each then you "might" choose the less popular one, but the majority will go "where the action is at".

I have a few questions.  I brushed off eMunie completely and never looked into it due to IPO being mentioned in the old days, so maybe you can clear a few things up.

1)  Bitcoin was designed in a way to prevent central bankers from profiting off the issuance of currency.  Satoshi's profit margin for adopting use of the currency was exactly the same as anyone else that used it.  What is your low ball and high ball figure for what you will personally make if eMunie becomes successful?

2)  Since this project is close source, and I assume you hold some kind of trademarks/patents, what exactly stops you from selling the entire project to Goldman Sachs as soon as it gets big, and they charge everyone $20 a month, or hour, or day to use it, like some kind of AOL service.  This is just one example of the 5 million things I can see going wrong with personal ownership or direction of the project.

"I have a few questions"

And so it begins thus proving my point. ;-)  This thread was initiated by Dan with the "intent" of providing an answer to those wondering what the status was with regard to emunie.  If I go down the path of answering your "new topic" question then I would only be further proving my point.

This is not meant to side-step your questions, but more a sincere request that you start a "new topic" for your queries as it would ensure we don't pollute the intended goals for this thread.  Moreover, I would have no qualms debating your questions rationally on that "new" thread as I have many reasoned and cogent counterpoints to your assertions, but this thread is not the place for them.

Please let me know when you have started that thread so that I can contribute to the discussion.

all good points, i think we could transition to a up and running forum while the ob1 is on.

also we look to face unrelenting attacks on a forum, as it now seems to have happened or buggy servers. Having the info here and there, offers redundancy, and will make any such attacks less attractive. Even though here the form may be not as pretty. The NXT thread to months to get to where it is. Emunie will have a forum up and running well before it gets to that point.

Having something is better than nothing at this point. Ensuring we have redundancy against attacks and server failure is paramount.

ok good points Peachy, I will start an emunie questions thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445124.0
[QQQ] emunie questions thread.

They were pretty simple and easily answerable questions.  If you want people to actually adopt using this currency, system, whatever you want to call it, you should be able to swiftly answer questions like those, or maybe a link to some kind of FAQ that demonstrates how close source is not somehow a giant step backwards from open source Bitcoin, without pretending like it's "trolling" when it's an obvious, legitimate concern.

Keep in mind that most people on this forum have never used the Emunie client before, and have only heard of it, and the only reference point anyone has is associating Emunie with NXT since the word IPO has been thrown around.

jubalix,
Thank you for initiating a separate thread.  I will post my responses to these questions over there, but please allow me a modest amount of time to formulate them properly as I tend to be "long winded" (a product of my old age).

r0ach,
"Easy to answer" is the same as saying "Easy to Use".  As anyone who has children will attest, this is not always the case.  This is much like the disclaimer at the bottom of the "Barbie's Dream House" toy which deceptively states "Some assembly required".  "Some" assembly?  LOL.  I found I would need a PhD in engineering to accurately put together the unit with their obfuscated instruction manual.  Regardless, my intent is to imply that while something might "seem" simple to you, the actual discussion point/counterpoint arguments of the topic can easily devolve into  questions-upon-questions and thus further pollute this thread from its intended message.

Thank you gentlemen for your understanding and I look forward to the spirited discussion on the "temporary" QQQ thread (at least until we have our forum restored).

Hey Peachy,

Sent email to Dan earlier, but would be beneficial if we could:

- utilise pre-sale notification email list to update community forum members of new schedule
- update forum placeholder with new OB1 details or link to this thread

Just to get the word out to every corner of the world

Cheers

Richard2012,
Thank you for the suggestions.  We have been discussing those options already (as well as others) so I'm pleased to see our like minds thinking alike.  ;-)

Stay tuned for further updates as we roll them out.  We greatly appreciate your patience during this down time as well as your overall enthusiasm.

Can't wait

eMunie ftw! omg!

glad to know we have a schedule :-*
looking forward to the OB1

nice to know, i'm up for testing :)

There has already been a complete launch-schedule for some time on the eMunie forum. Since the whole forum is down atm, here's the direct link: https://i.imgur.com/vE7F1vC.png
Unfortunately, I forgot who put it together this clearly. Maybe Fuserleer or Peachy can verify the other dates.

EDIT: It's Peachy's work and besides from the current delay everything's still valid.

"It's Peachy's work and besides from the current delay everything's still valid"



Yeah, it's my sad/crude effort that I created a while ago to satisfy those of us "right-brainers" that see things visually.  I'll try to punch it up later and make something a bit more sexy.  ;-)

Overall, it's still relatively valid in both scope and intent.

Just a noob question,

When it open, how should we earn coins ? should we buy them like nxt or what?

No this will be just the beta testing, there will be a faucet where everyone will be able to get coins, details will be given
this coins won't have any value.

After the OB1 you will be able to buy some eMus in the IPO, or if you want later to the official realese.

But you can also get coins without buying them. All you need to do is to set up your system as a "hatcher". This way you'll get some fees from transactions, etc. if I'm not mistaken. Every PC on the market should be able to do this. But a good internet connection and a fast SSD will help.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Before questions regarding hatching pop up again (because many bitcoin-minded people mistake this for mining):

Please remember to use the following thread for general questions -> [QQQ] emunie questions thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445124.0) Or just wait for the official forum to come back, where all those questions have been answered several times in detail.

Keep this thread for OB1-related stuff only.

Cool, looking forward to it.  Better late than never!  :D

Let's bring Emunie site, forum up as soon as possible. All official messages should be posted first on emunie.com.

Dan has stated in IRC that his priority is 1) Release OB1, 2) Get forums back up.

Finally!


Get ready for eMunie! A new innovative currency with a bright future!

Respect to Fuserleer, thank you for your dedication to the development of eMunie, wish you the best!!!


OPEN BETA!
Woohoo!

Thanks, been a rollercoaster few days, but all on schedule atm :)

@all: forum.emunie.com
if the main site is not functional

I can't wait for the launch. How much longer do you think it will taker Fuserleer?

Any updates?

For any updates and important information simply sign up at forum.emunie.com
The emunie community is around there mostly, and not here. :-)

do you have a whitepaper - i would love to read about the economic model. fixing and almost fixing exchange rates is one of the most complicated issues in economics

There is nothing on the forums except "coming soon."

i try to register at the forum but not successful... it return blank page when submit registration... have test different browser..  

I agree.  This is the most interesting part of emunie and I'd like to know more.  For me this is what makes or breaks emunie.

No details but dan says he has solved this.
He will win nobel prize in economics!

+1

And just don't mention his work with A.I. "Approaching Watson levels with 1/10 of the hardware" - Dan


Don't know what to think of that.

Two days late with no word at all (either here or on the official forums) from anybody "official."

For what it's worth, I think emunie has great potential and I'm strongly considering investing...but the lack of communication is frustrating. Now you'll say "this is just the open beta, chill the hell out." Granted, but if the communication is this...nonexistent...in the early stages, how responsive will they be when we start giving them money?

I believe this is absolutely legit, but I definitely would hope the emunie team improves their communication. Even five minutes of Dan's time to say "Sorry guys, I'm working on X and I don't have an ETA yet but I'll update you in Y hours/days" would be amazing.

Please be assured that the work has not stopped, unfortunately things got delayed due to some technical issues with the serves as well as some last minute bug fixes.

Launch will be in about 1 Hour (of the open Beta)
Download Link will be posted here: http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-whats-in-and-whats-not-saturday-1st-feb-2014/#entry14988

Hey Guys,


The OB1 should be open in the next few hours for everyone, simply go to the Link and download the client:
http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-whats-in-and-whats-not-saturday-1st-feb-2014/

Here is the faucet, simply copy your adress in and drink it:
http://faucet.emunie.com/

For help go to the forum or watch this videos it may help you:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPUkhfVJuwUPUzpn9FbMhhw/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p

And if you find any bugs you can post it here:
http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1376-bugs-open-beta-bugs/

Enjoy testing eMunie!

Here's another link to try:

http://beta.emunie.com/

Not yet, but thanks for trying to help. 
We no longer require your services, but appreciate your enthusiasm.

oh Peachy u crack me up :D

I truly hope that one day we can put this nastiness behind us and have a drink together, I find you to be a very interesting person.

Thanks for the update, looking forward to taking it for a spin!

OB1 is now officially open and ready for large scale testing.

Enjoy!

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-live-whats-in-and-whats-not/ (http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-live-whats-in-and-whats-not/)

I've had an account on the emunie forum since Jan 1, 2014, but on every thread it always says, "You cannot reply to this topic." Can anyone here tell me why?

j23a,
I'll have someone investigate the situation on our end and contact you with the resolution.
Thank you for your patience.

Thank you. And I have the same name j23a in the eMunie forums.

j23a, I have fixed the problem on our end, you should be able to post now.

Let me know if you have any more problems.

-V

Hey thanks. I refreshed my page and the you cannot reply changed to Reply to this topic. I'm so glad that I can finally post comments.

Got the beta downloaded and running, and all I can say is...

This shit's for real. Damn!

Glad your enjoying it.

Feel free to drive it hard and fast.  We're hoping you do so that we can find and fix anything we've missed for inclusion in OB2.

Also, if you have some time, head on over to the ERC chat "emunie" within the client itself.  Feel free to FINALLY speak your mind in a truly encrypted and safe environment free from the "prying eyes" of "you know who."   ;)

Welcome to the future!

Just a notification to those that have already started using the client:

There will be a slight update released shortly that will solve some of the anomalies we've identified due to the larger network of users. 

Thank you for your patience during the OB1 as additional updates are rolled out.  We truly want to ensure this ecosystem is as robust as possible.

Peachy

--STATUS UPDATE--

If you have downloaded and installed the client prior to the time stamp on this post, please uninstall the earlier 0.973084 version and re-download the latest version 0.973085 instead:

You can always find the latest beta version here:
http://beta.emunie.com/ (http://beta.emunie.com/)

Thank you for your patience

Peachy

Yes looks good... fast transactions, ratable transactions. I can't get the hatcher to actually do anything but I suspect it's not enabled yet. The faucet allows you to send yourself multiple coins (load up the wallet) which will give you a few hundred or thousand to play with for now.

add the -hatcher flag when you start emunie

The hatching tab in the client (provided you use the -hatcher flag) will begin to show "earnings" roughly every hour provided your machine processes transactions according to your geo-location (ping time) relative to those that need their services.  Since we are in the very early growth adoption curve for this beta version it will generally show a low amount of "earnings" initially until others join in.   You will, however, see "fees" show up rather spontaneously and immediately once your Hatcher has specifically processed an individual transaction.

Where the exchange in client?

There is no exchange in OB1.
Read the release posts.

All information is here:
http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-live-whats-in-and-whats-not/#entry14988

and also on the 1st page of this thread.

Hi

I'm not able to view emunie forum? Message displayed - "Sorry, you don't have permission for that!"

Hey pheromone,

Whats your name on the forum? I will check into it for you.

-V

It's working now, but I have to use tor browser to connect and register. If connect directly, in different browser, it retrict me.

Maybe the forum auto blacklist ip? cause I tried to register a few times earlier but fail to complete.  ;D

Please,please,please learn from Maxcoin. Push the shit back if you need to, and if Mac OS doesnt work fuck em  ;),  apple users need to get with the times anyway. Forget the grumpy cats on delays, a smooth launch and security>everything else.

GL, ill be waiting