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Title: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jerry0 on June 14, 2018, 06:02:24 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: trumper on June 14, 2018, 06:33:45 AM
Not everyone loses money in decreasing market because there are some ways to make money like margin trading probably.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jaybobcrypto on June 14, 2018, 06:34:08 AM
In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: randythered on June 14, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
If you try and trade in the same way in a bear market as in a bull market then you will lose money. You have to adapt your strategy to the market you are in. For bear markets that often means shorting or just selling and buying back later.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bozo333 on June 14, 2018, 07:24:50 AM
I think most of the peoples are loose the money and few of the peoples are earn profit. So not everyone loose the money because still many day traders are earn more profit in every day. But my point of view no one loose the investment because we are buying the cryptocurrency and value is down but we have same percentage of coin so again this will going to raise in soon that day we will earn more profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: deevan on June 14, 2018, 07:30:14 PM
That is not true, there are few altcoins rising in green even when the market crashes. With that altcoins it would be enough easy to get profit in a way to convert that altcoin into BTC, ETH or top coins as per coinmarketcap then wait for the market to get stable then again you gain handsome profit on your holding in BTC or ETH. With altcoins that are proportionally getting declined in value when market crashes then it is very tough to get profit & yes at that moment you may lose your money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Aion2n on June 14, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
Of course not. Not everyone is losing money. Thousands of traders make huge money on this. First of all, these are whales. They buy up, for example 1000 bitcoins, at around $6,000 and sell it at around $6,150. These $150 on 1000 bitcoins will make a big profit. Essentially experienced and educated traders do the same. Therefore, they do not lose money, but on the contrary earn.
If we move away from trade, then there are other ways to make money now. Participation in good ICO, gives a huge profit (of course you need to participate with a large sum). One good project gives from 5 to 15x.
For today, I was not interested in trading, but I fully devoted myself to ICO, and this was my best decision (not counting the decision to deal with crypto currencies).
There are other ways of earning money in any market. The main thing is not to be lazy and always look for what you can earn.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bigmelons25 on June 14, 2018, 09:26:41 PM
A lot of people take out options for the price to go down are take out massive short positions.  These volatile markets are a playground for day traders.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: harizen on June 14, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.

If the purpose is to hold for long then the important thing is accumulation. So yes if the price went down more, a.)hodl or b) continue to add more if you can still afford to risks some.

Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.

Patience. You don't need to target profits everyday or every week even for a short term trader. It will just stressed you if you will force to make profits out of the bearish trend if you can't able to properly handled it.

Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Don't want to take too long replies to you since I doubt you will really read it.

Based on your statement, if that's really came up on your mind, I see that you are thinking too much. Try to be comfortable and relax yourself and soon you will understand what's the situation every now and then. You will learned what things should be done on the way so patience.

Trust your judgement, trust your strategy, trust your analyzation, trust your chosen hold coins, trust your own decision.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: AngelSky on June 14, 2018, 09:36:26 PM
No looses from this day bro. Already bitcoin rally towards to stable value by today. We will find the bitcoin price go to big bump in the market in upcoming month for sure. While you need to invest on the coin means this is the right time for you.
I do not have big fund on fiat cash some holding around 1.84 BTC in my blockchain wallet for some months thats what I expecting reach the peak value mate.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: dadanpradana on August 06, 2018, 10:46:28 AM
my advice when your coin that bought reaches a decrease of up to 10% I hope you just stop losing.
because if you go deeper down it can spend your money there.

sometimes it's a difficult choice but for good, anything must be done.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Pursuer on August 06, 2018, 11:56:40 AM
not everyone loses money! there are many different strategies used by people and make of them can easily mean not losing anything at all. for example the simplest one is to invest long term in bitcoin. imagine you have bought bitcoin last year when things were calm and the rise had not yet started. then you could have buy bitcoin between $900 to $2000 and no matter what the current price is, you would be in a big profit. you might have even sold a little on top ($20k) and make a huge profit while still holding a lot of bitcoin.

or another strategy that is favorite by many is to go around in the altcoin market and only find the coins that are on the rise ie. getting pumped. you can buy these coins during the rise and make a big profit short term. these coins don't care what is generally going on in the market, they get pumped nonetheless.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: CGPA on August 06, 2018, 12:04:01 PM
Not at all. Because there have some technique to save money from loss when the market is down. If the trader can take proper step, he doesn't suffer from loss.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Cantereb636 on August 06, 2018, 01:03:14 PM
Those who cashed out at the mountains peek don't loose anything, but mostly yeah, everybody is loosing here.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: berrygood on August 06, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
No for sure, if you hold a stable coin then you can't lose money in a down market, there are much more way regarding not losing in a down market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: kinamotorami on August 06, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
That's common sense, the market loses everyone's money, so many people keep and many fear the market down so they decide to sell at a relatively low price. long time.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: seramania on August 06, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
when the market goes down someone loses money is a natural thing, because now the market conditions are unpredictable. but we can continue to believe and be optimistic if the loss is only temporary if it is still holding. in the future the market will return to the highest position.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: kyle999 on August 06, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
Ofcourse we are just people and we are also afraid of losing big money so we are also panic to sell at a low cost so the money will not be bigger when markets fall :D


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cleygaux on August 06, 2018, 01:58:39 PM
On the contrary many people earn a huge amount of money when market down because market is manipulated by whales they bought a large amount of good coins in a bloody market and once the market back to tracks they got a huge profit its an easy money if you have enough funds for trading like $10k is a very good amount to join in the game.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: JackdunR on August 06, 2018, 02:21:12 PM
Yes, that's for sure, everyone drops a bit of capital as the price of coins goes down, but rest assured the market will rise again.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: letecia012 on August 06, 2018, 02:42:01 PM
You are wrong there are lot  of trader who earn even more bigger during bearish market as people are panic selling there are some who are also catching all the lower price that being sold by those losing traders and once t he market recover slightly  they would sell and wait for another wave of panic selling.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BrewMaster on August 06, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
you shouldn't be thinking about what others are doing and what everyone makes or loses. instead try to focus on what strategy fits you best during each market cycle. if you think you can't make profit during the drops or can not figure out how to do it then don't trade during the drops. it is that simple.
and if you want then you have to focus on where the money has gone. try watching the price of different coins and see which one is rising among thousands of them dropping.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jerry0 on August 10, 2018, 03:35:42 PM
not everyone loses money! there are many different strategies used by people and make of them can easily mean not losing anything at all. for example the simplest one is to invest long term in bitcoin. imagine you have bought bitcoin last year when things were calm and the rise had not yet started. then you could have buy bitcoin between $900 to $2000 and no matter what the current price is, you would be in a big profit. you might have even sold a little on top ($20k) and make a huge profit while still holding a lot of bitcoin.

or another strategy that is favorite by many is to go around in the altcoin market and only find the coins that are on the rise ie. getting pumped. you can buy these coins during the rise and make a big profit short term. these coins don't care what is generally going on in the market, they get pumped nonetheless.


How do you know which coins are getting pumped?  Coinmarketcap?   Can you explain strategy in this?  Look at the coins getting pumped in the last 1 hour, last 12 hour, 24 hour, how many?  Then once you buy it and the moment it start dropping say 10 percent, you sell it off?  Is that what you mean?


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jerry0 on August 10, 2018, 03:37:00 PM
Other thing is this.  You say these coins get pumped regardless of the market.  If that is the case and btc and everything goes down, wouldn't that mean if you do this, you buy the coin when its pumping, then sell it off when it starts to dump.  Then you immediately sell it for usdt?  Because if you sell it for btc and keep btc, and btc keeps dropping, then you don't make any money.  Thoughts or comments on this?


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Crypto_Spike_Factor on August 10, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
Lots of people loss money but unlike successful trader whom constantly in the traffic of cryptocurrency ideas.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: evergreendog on August 10, 2018, 04:03:07 PM
Don't see why everyone is angry about the current market, this gives us another chance to buy in cheap and make massive gains, but everyone here is in panic mode.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bit-freedom on August 10, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
No not everyone is losing money, some people make money when they short Bitcoin when the market is going down. And some people take this opportunity to buy Bitcoin and altcoin at a low price. When market recover, they will make some profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Ailmand on August 10, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
I think most of the peoples are loose the money and few of the peoples are earn profit. So not everyone loose the money because still many day traders are earn more profit in every day. But my point of view no one loose the investment because we are buying the cryptocurrency and value is down but we have same percentage of coin so again this will going to raise in soon that day we will earn more profit.

I agree. Although not everyone is experiencing losses, I do not think that everyone is losing money all the same. I say that because many people choose to be patient when the market is not doing good. Although prices of many coins are going down, one good way to counter that is by hodling your coins and not giving in and selling it while in panic.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: riso2015 on August 10, 2018, 05:51:01 PM
No not everyone is losing money, some people make money when they short Bitcoin when the market is going down. And some people take this opportunity to buy Bitcoin and altcoin at a low price. When market recover, they will make some profit.
It's depending on a person's proficiency in determining her choices, buy or sell at the right time,
will certainly give us the advantage. I agree if not everyone is losing their money when the market going down.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: milewilda on August 10, 2018, 06:02:51 PM
When we do talk on general sense for most people/traders/investors when we do see a decline of prices on the entire market then loses would depend on where or what spot we do able to get in.If it do able to break that point lower that price then its considered as loss but there are still who are even reaching nearly on break even side neither they do hold up their coins for long term but still on the profit side although profits is gradually decreasing as the market goes down.On the other side some people panic but some wise ones do see this as an opportunity.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: darkangel11 on August 10, 2018, 06:22:43 PM
Don't see why everyone is angry about the current market, this gives us another chance to buy in cheap and make massive gains, but everyone here is in panic mode.

People are nervous because the bear market is overextending. When it falls down sharply you are prepared for it. Like in January and February, everybody saw the need for a correction and we all anticipated at least 50% discount on BTC. But when it hit the bottom of 6k twice it really looked like the market was slowing down and getting ready to stabilize. SInce then we've been trading in a very small range of 2000 USD and want to see the trend finally change. We've been in a confirmed bull market from May to December 2017 (7 months), and are now 8 months in the bear market. About time.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Thatsit on August 10, 2018, 06:41:54 PM
When prices in the market decrease, those who make the investment only guess that they may face losses. But the investors do not sell at that time. Rather, they hold and sell if they increase. There are very few people who accept losses and sell that time even if the price decreases.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: tonlong on August 10, 2018, 07:54:32 PM
The market is going down that will also have trading, it is important you know where you are right and what to do. Selling at the right time will help you cut losses and make a profit. Nothing is bad, just know how to use and have a strategic head with investment.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rose8963 on August 10, 2018, 09:55:23 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
I do not think so, if you trade plan and always follow the market, if the market drops you will be able to timely processing and exchange USDT or USD to be able to preserve capital and profit. I believe that at this time you should only short-term investment and always have to keep track of the bitcoin price to be able to handle any situation that may occur in time.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Hiltohen on August 13, 2018, 11:48:00 AM
Other thing is this.  You say these coins get pumped regardless of the market.  If that is the case and btc and everything goes down, wouldn't that mean if you do this, you buy the coin when its pumping, then sell it off when it starts to dump.  Then you immediately sell it for usdt?  Because if you sell it for btc and keep btc, and btc keeps dropping, then you don't make any money.  Thoughts or comments on this?
No, this sent the case. Yeah this is right that there are so many people who lost money in hard times but this downfall didnít hurt so many others as well. People are welcome bitcoin even if it is down because they know when it is down, it is more towards themselves. They found it near them and then no other option than to buy this classic coin. This let them sell at high price and earn money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Winnerschapel on August 13, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
In a downtrend market in cryptocurrency, majority of the people lose their money in the market. Their are quite some people that makes money in a downtrend market. If you short bitcoin on bitmex or any other altcoin, you would be making good money


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Harith65 on August 13, 2018, 12:55:20 PM
Market is in deep. If anyone can identify the market behaviour he will earn money. In that position also. Before tha dump he will trade and buy in deep. That is the strategy of dumping market. Before that youshould observe the market behaviours. If not you will lose more. There are many market prediction sites and channels in the crypto world. You can observe those also. If you no well you can face any dump of the market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: lyfecoin on August 13, 2018, 12:58:10 PM
Yes,everyone lose money when the market it down.But technically some are losing their principal and some are losing some percentage of the profits.If someone is holding bitcoin bought at $5k is still not losing if the price falls from$7,000 to $6500.Where as of anyone bought bitcoin ast $6900 will be is losses .In crypto markets HODL is the keyword for making profits


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: nyerok on August 15, 2018, 10:48:10 PM
Yes, they loses their money when the market down because they all panic and just sell it what they want. But if you hold it and be patient they will not loosing their money


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rugrats on August 15, 2018, 10:58:16 PM
Of course, everyone losses money when the market is down because essentially everyone's investment is worth less than it would otherwise, and this applies even to those who practice day trade and happen to make the right predictions.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bennie4 on August 15, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
You can see that the market is constantly falling, the price of both bitcoin and altcoin have been falling dramatically in the past few days, although bitcoin prices have recovered slightly but the prices of altcoin are falling sharply. Therefore, I believe that at the time of trading you should limit your trading and wait for bitcoin to stabilize.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Finestream on August 16, 2018, 12:08:26 AM
Yes, they loses their money when the market down because they all panic and just sell it what they want. But if you hold it and be patient they will not loosing their money
Right.You will only lose your money if you are in a panic selling instead of patiently holding your coins in times of dips.And if you doubt gaining profit in trading too with this down market,then you can try other alternatives like participating in signature and bounty campaigns.You can also gain a decent income here as long as it is not a scam one.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: karungbitcoin on August 16, 2018, 01:48:54 AM
I think more than 60% of crypto trader loss money now, i also been loss much money more than 70%. I have no idea again and i just hold all my coins, i still trust crypto and will be bullish again in next year. Learn from this crash and make greater trading strategy to avoided big loss is best thing to do now.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: FerrisWheel on August 16, 2018, 02:23:31 AM
Everyone loses their money is correct but not everyone who lose their money is at loss.

There are still a trader who can still manage to get profit in this bear market, as you can see on CoinMarketCap, there are always 1-5 coins in the biggest gainer who inclined more than 30% in this bear market, you just need to dig up and research it.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: katrimans on August 16, 2018, 05:31:47 AM
No not everyone is losing money, some people make money when they short Bitcoin when the market is going down. And some people take this opportunity to buy Bitcoin and altcoin at a low price. When market recover, they will make some profit.
Not all the people are angry about the market. Some are still able to earn or make some good money and this is a good thing, creating a sought of optimism in the market. Besides, the recent surge in the monetary value of Bitcoin was another reason why people started investing so much again.

And speaking about earning when the market is down, so yes this is also possible in case the initial cost of investment is low than the current price at which you trade in the market. There are many possible ways in crypto market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: pawanjain on August 16, 2018, 05:58:43 AM
There are days when BTC and altcoins keep dropping every single hour but then this doesn't happen for a long time and at the end of the say the price gets stable or at least it recovers a bit. It never happens that a coin is keeping on going down continuously unless it is a shitcoin which is about to get trashed. The only time to make profit in such situations is when the coin recovers slightly. It's better to wait until the coin hits the bottom. Buy more at that price and wait for the right time to sell.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jerry0 on August 25, 2018, 08:54:43 PM
Does anyone know if its possible an altcoin price to be down every single hour in a 24 hour period?  Like imagine you bought coin at 1 dollar.  Then look at the price and it not once hit above 1 dollar?  Because if thats the case, then isn't it impossible to make any money that day right? 


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Clark05 on August 25, 2018, 08:58:53 PM
If the market down and you have invested ofcoarse we will lose our money. But here's the good news even you lose some money you can invest more and the market up and you will earn more profit than the profit that you expected.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Kekenapep on August 25, 2018, 09:10:17 PM
Most people lose money but not everyone


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Altero on August 25, 2018, 09:35:28 PM
Not everyone loses money in decreasing market because there are some ways to make money like margin trading probably.
That's right,  but only few have knew about it and mostly new comers will loss as they do selling their coins at this stage. They aren't have enough knowledge on how to strategies during this season and only expert will margin trading.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: josephdd1 on August 25, 2018, 09:57:59 PM
Yes! The obvious answer is of course, even those who trade and by make the right market decision to either buy or sell at the right time for good profit, overall we all lose because the net worth value of the coins is reduced during the bear market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bonsaiav on August 25, 2018, 10:33:59 PM
Not a few indeed, newcomers who are easily panicked by the decline in market prices. This naturally happens to them because as long as he tries to make a career in cryptocurrency maybe no one's directing it in the right way.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Caelanpelley on August 25, 2018, 11:03:32 PM
Right! Anyone who invests in electronic money also loses money when the market drops. When buying high prices not sold, the price has dropped, waiting for the market to rise. The wait is not beneficial only cause us more anxiety. I keep the coin over a year now still not sold.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: dunfida on August 25, 2018, 11:04:23 PM
Everyone loses only if they don't have a self-control and patience, you know that when you are in the market waiting for your turn for the right moment before you sell is still requires patient. And you can't hold on to yourself because you've lost it already watching the market keeps falling and falling then you will the victim of your own actions because you got controlled by your emotion.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: liseff3 on August 25, 2018, 11:40:42 PM
Everyone loses only if they don't have a self-control and patience, you know that when you are in the market waiting for your turn for the right moment before you sell is still requires patient. And you can't hold on to yourself because you've lost it already watching the market keeps falling and falling then you will the victim of your own actions because you got controlled by your emotion.

You're right dunfida, people like them are usually easily frustrated, stressed and easily give up on circumstances, they seem to assume that market prices will not grow again. If they believe in the popularity of crypto currencies that the price will recover even better than before. Maybe this panic will never happen.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: richcorner100 on August 26, 2018, 12:59:09 AM
I think not everyone but about more than 60% , and trader who make money from this situation of market is trader who always patient waiting for bottom of crypto and trader who always use stop loss in every trade so they can buy back at lower price and they get more coins.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Pattart on August 26, 2018, 02:31:35 AM
Of course, everyone losses money when the market is down because essentially everyone's investment is worth less than it would otherwise, and this applies even to those who practice day trade and happen to make the right predictions.
Actually in essence they will not lose anything even if the price goes down, if they don't do any sales on their coins. prices go down
is a natural thing and recover will definitely occur after the price drops. just need a little patience you will avoid losses, even get you will get is profit..


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Twinscoin2017 on August 26, 2018, 02:56:07 AM
I think not everyone but about more than 60% , and trader who make money from this situation of market is trader who always patient waiting for bottom of crypto and trader who always use stop loss in every trade so they can buy back at lower price and they get more coins.
not everyone losses a profit of the market is down , because we have our own way of understanding the dropping of the price, some other people will still hold thier coin and i believe that that coin that they still hold is not considered as loss because if the price will rise they can still earn on it by selling at the high price, that is why in crypto we really need a big patience for good.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Indrawan77 on August 26, 2018, 06:59:43 AM
Technically all people are losing money when the market is down, but a good coin won't have a constant down, if the price is keep on down then it's mean people are abandon the coin, when a good coin being dumped there will be investors buying the cheap coin, when the market is down then its a great moment to buy, even if you are not going to gain any money from the down market, but it can be the chance to buy cheaper and gain more in the up market


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Ngewex Yuk on August 26, 2018, 07:31:05 AM
Exactly, when the market is down, the coin value will automatically decrease so that many people lose money, but with patience I am optimistic that we can get more profit, and by the end of the year everything will be proven.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: lordmick on August 26, 2018, 09:13:23 AM
Exactly, when the market is down, the coin value will automatically decrease so that many people lose money, but with patience I am optimistic that we can get more profit, and by the end of the year everything will be proven.
We can see that right now the whole market is too unpredictable. I believe that it will stabilize, but I think it will happen only in the middle of summer of the next year. But according to technical analyze first of all Bitcoin will stabilize after it fall under 2000$, then Ethereum will be more stable at 70-100$. Only after that all another alt coins will be more stable and will start slowly rise. as I expect continue of downtrend I just open shorts through margin trading (with the leverage not more than 5x) and get profit. You can earn on any market, if you have enough experience and knowledges.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: pinoyden on August 26, 2018, 10:19:26 AM

No . not all. Only few people do only loose when the market is down because they tend to panic and ended up selling their holdings for a low price . while most of the people are continuing to hold their coins because they are already aware that the market dip is only temporary .

there is also cases that a seller dont looses at all even if the market is down because not all sellers are investors , some are also earners or workers that works thru crypto related jobs and been paid by cryptos .


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: putrii on August 26, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
in my opinion they will lose the money they have when prices fall when they sell the cryptocurrency they have because if they continue to hold the cryptocurrency they have then their assets will remain and no loss IF not sold at a very cheap price.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Crypto_Spike_Factor on August 26, 2018, 12:07:00 PM
In my humble opinion everyone will lose the money when they sell thier cryptoassets while the price are below their initial buying point. Although, by holding their respected cryptoassets. They will just have t be more patient than ever to not lost anything in the downtrend market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: teramit on August 26, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
A lot of people loses money yes but some people gain profit from it.
Manipulators especially gain profit from these. How? at first they re the one who drops market , when price falls they collect with their fiat and put a sell wall so to be sure price will not rise, after they collect enough coin they remove wall and price automaticly starts to rise but also they use their last fiat to rise more steeply so price rises and everbody talks about btc is going to moon will be 1 million like fools. So panic buyers, indicator based bots, noobs, newcomers , some investors starts to buy like no tomorrow then price goes higher automaticly, when it comes to a great value manipulators starts to sell for profit. This is why you see steep rises and falls on graphs.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: pant-79 on August 26, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
Most participants in the crypto market lose money when the exchange rate falls. But the only reason for this is that these are ordinary people who are just experiencing good luck. They did nothing to earn money. Just buying coins is not enough. You need to learn a lot of information before buying any coins. After obtaining the necessary knowledge, you need to gain experience in trading. And when you have the knowledge and experience, then you will find ways to earn money in any market. Even now, when the price falls it is possible to earn. After all, the price does not decrease constantly. Sometimes price declines, and sometimes price grows, it is on this you can earn. It's just a short term trade. There is nothing complicated in it, if you understand everything. Moreover, there are strategies for earning in the bear market.
So trade is not just luck, it is necessary to think and calculate here.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: gabmen on August 26, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
in my opinion they will lose the money they have when prices fall when they sell the cryptocurrency they have because if they continue to hold the cryptocurrency they have then their assets will remain and no loss IF not sold at a very cheap price.


Not everyone. You basically lose money if you sell at a loss since you're removing all chances to recover. This is where volatility works in a positive way as well since there will still be up and down movements. A profit will be a profit no matter how small it is.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BitHodler on August 26, 2018, 10:21:26 PM
Manipulators especially gain profit from these. How? at first they re the one who drops market , when price falls they collect with their fiat and put a sell wall so to be sure price will not rise, after they collect enough coin they remove wall and price automaticly starts to rise but also they use their last fiat to rise more steeply so price rises and everbody talks about btc is going to moon will be 1 million like fools. So panic buyers, indicator based bots, noobs, newcomers , some investors starts to buy like no tomorrow then price goes higher automaticly, when it comes to a great value manipulators starts to sell for profit. This is why you see steep rises and falls on graphs.
That's mostly what happens with smaller coins. In case of Bitcoin this year, we haven't seen that form of manipulation with how whales don't have to do anything to get the price to tank. The bear market does all the dirty work.

Another thing is that whales aren't placing seriously large sell orders anymore at current levels. They are too afraid that a larger whale instantly buys up that entire sell wall with how high the demand for spot coins is.

It's nearly impossible to buy thousands of coins without significantly affecting the market nowadays. If a few thousand BTC sell wall pops up you can be sure that it'll be bought up with how much of an opportunity it is.

I have only seen very large buy orders (especially at Bitfinex) but no one dares to put up a significant amount of Bitcoin for sale.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bbcolex on August 26, 2018, 10:50:44 PM
Some traders who do swing and day trade doesn't lose money from this down , some of them take advantage of the volatility of the price of Bitcoin. They do it for a living but it does not guarantee of earning a profit too since trading is riskier than holding.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Question123 on August 26, 2018, 11:10:35 PM
If the market down of course you will lose money.  It doesn't means the market crash you lose money permanently because that is temporarily because market will recover. This is the great opportunity to buy more altcoins because it is very cheap compared to the last price of  few months.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: renz0 on August 26, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
Probably yes if you are selling off your coins when the market is down. But as long as you're still holding to it, you are not in the losing end yet. Just keep holding and keep track on the price movement in the market because for sure anytime soon bitcoin price and other cryptos will be back on its feet and will slowly recover that price depreciation.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: MahalQu2612 on August 26, 2018, 11:35:22 PM
Everyone loses money during bear market. I was remember what my friend told me lately that this months, people in crypto industry are suffering from a great devastation. An el nino to the market as well as to our investment happens but if there is a dry season, there will become also a showering of blessings and I know those who wait will get the fruit of their work someday! Just hold on guys.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Vaculin on August 26, 2018, 11:50:28 PM
Probably yes if you are selling off your coins when the market is down. But as long as you're still holding to it, you are not in the losing end yet. Just keep holding and keep track on the price movement in the market because for sure anytime soon bitcoin price and other cryptos will be back on its feet and will slowly recover that price depreciation.
I totally agree on you.You will only lose this time if you come up with panic selling but if you still trust crypto that it will bounce back its price soon and will somehow reach new heights so you keep holding your coins,then i think losing is very impossible.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: metribitcoin on August 27, 2018, 01:21:08 AM
I think yes, iam also loss much money. I did some mistake in trading, when the price of crypto going down more than 50% i use new money to buy more coins but the price keep down. I did not use stop loss because iam was believe the price will going up. But i will not loss until i sell all that my coins, so now i wait for next bullish of crypto.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ApocalypseNow on August 27, 2018, 01:37:30 AM
Not everyone but maybe 70% to 85% of all the investors and holders. Why I said that because there are many professional traders and brokers around and they might have read the outcome of cryptocurrencies this year and sold all of their coins before the crash happened. They might also lost some but I'm sure that their gains still dominates.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: noneedmoney on August 27, 2018, 05:04:31 AM
I don't think everyone loses their money when the market is falling like this.
because they have ways and strategies to earn money when the market is down. they can also take advantage of situations like this so they don't suffer losses and I think they are buying for the short term.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: qiwoman2 on August 27, 2018, 05:13:59 AM
There are a ton of peeps making money right now in a bear market and that's those shorters with the futures contracts and on Bitfiniex who trade with leverage. All those whales have to do is short the market constantly after they drive BTC up 5/7% and they make a hefty killing on every trade. Also, there are punp and dump groups that artificially manipulate the prices of Bitcoin and altcoins and if you are early in the pump all well and good, but if you FOMO in you are going to be stuck way until the next pumper comes along. I am trying to trade now as a day trader and despite the shitting market have managed to trade my wages two weeks in a row, so far so good.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cryptokingmaker on August 27, 2018, 05:17:21 AM
Yes, People who bought the Bitcoin and other altcoins at the higher price are now in Big loos, so people who bought the coins at the higher price should wait until the market starts recovering because we don't know exactly when the market cap will reach the higher value.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Manyak on August 27, 2018, 07:02:38 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
Yes people is loses their money for the price dump and i know is the price dump we will rise up soon just wait for it .


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: beezare on August 27, 2018, 07:49:13 AM
I think, not everyone loses money when the market goes down because there are some people who can still make a profit by taking advantage of the price opportunity to go down by buying then selling again when prices rise, some are holding so they will not lose


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: SirLancelot on August 28, 2018, 05:25:05 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
Youíre wrongÖ itís not everyone that loses money when the price is going down. There are people who usually cut their loss and Iím very sure of that, they do it to avoid the loss and when they see that price is going back up you will see them jumping back again or once they see that price has dropped to its lowest.

Itís only those who donít withdraw that experience the loss, but some people always make up their mind to hodl no matter what happensÖ Itís all about choice.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: naily on August 28, 2018, 06:37:22 AM
it only applies to those who do not have a strategy in crypto trading, and they only see the value of bitcoin, they do not know that there are still new coins in the market that are growing, and this is what we can use to make a profit


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: binhvo1505 on August 28, 2018, 06:49:34 AM
Not everyone will lose money when the market drops. have some smart investors and have their own tactics to avoid capital losses. A common tactic is to keep USDT as the market goes down and buy them. But not everyone successfully applies, we need a huge amount of knowledge to successfully apply.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Winnerschapel on August 28, 2018, 07:22:44 AM
Majority of the people lose money and this is quite disheartening in this type of market. Not everyone loses money as their are people that place short trades in the market. These people make money with it in my opinion


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: eaglewhite80 on August 28, 2018, 07:27:29 AM
Majority of the people lose money and this is quite disheartening in this type of market. Not everyone loses money as their are people that place short trades in the market. These people make money with it in my opinion
Those who lose money are simply those who are dumb enough to end up trading without any knowledge at all. That is certainly what most people in this space do. They opt into trading with very little knowledge and some with no knowledge at all and then think it is just about buying low and selling high. As long as you are a well learned trader, you can make money in any market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Missterio on August 28, 2018, 07:31:00 AM
Many lose, but many earn despite this market position.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: mkhadazz on August 28, 2018, 07:47:37 AM
I don't think it's true, those who are still holding back and not selling their assets will not be able to lose the money they have, because the benefits of trading on cryptocurrency are like that, when you fall you can still secure your assets by holding.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: leeheidrick on August 28, 2018, 07:52:09 AM
Yeah, but only those who are holding assets that get a loss, but those who succeed in selling assets in the market when the price of assets rises, they survive this loss.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bobby park on August 28, 2018, 08:00:03 AM
Definitely yes! But we can prevent of getting lose by just holding our coins in our wallet. In that scenario, we can say that we will avoid of getting lose. However, holding of coins are always risking our capital and many investors are fear for their assets to be fade away. Therefore, only few investors succeed of holding from entire bear market. Anyway, it is just the simpliest thing to do when there is a crash.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: MrPao on August 28, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
When the market begins to fall, I think only retail investors and small investors are vulnerable to losses, and those whales/sharks can always profit from it!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Idrisu on August 28, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
I don't think everyone lose money when the market is down as we always have margin traders.  Only investors and those that buy coins with the mind of holding are the really people that lose money when the market is going and the sell.  Trading is game and it depends on the position you are to makes money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 28, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Definitely yes! But we can prevent of getting lose by just holding our coins in our wallet. In that scenario, we can say that we will avoid of getting lose. However, holding of coins are always risking our capital and many investors are fear for their assets to be fade away. Therefore, only few investors succeed of holding from entire bear market. Anyway, it is just the simpliest thing to do when there is a crash.
The loss is where the market price is dropped. It is not literally a loss of money but the value of your assets which are dropping. In the bear market the tokens and altcoins that are considered to be investments are deceasing in price - that is why its a "relative" loss. Absolute loss would the total loss of the assets from the investors' pocket but that is not happening here.

Similarly there is relative gain of value when the bull market appears. At that time selling those assets would earn them more money than what they put in.
In my opinion holding crypto with a set stop/loss is the way to go. Think of the people who bought bitcoin at around 500-600$ and held it will last year.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: hulla on August 28, 2018, 12:42:41 PM
Majority of the people lose money and this is quite disheartening in this type of market. Not everyone loses money as their are people that place short trades in the market. These people make money with it in my opinion
Those who lose money are simply those who are dumb enough to end up trading without any knowledge at all. That is certainly what most people in this space do. They opt into trading with very little knowledge and some with no knowledge at all and then think it is just about buying low and selling high. As long as you are a well learned trader, you can make money in any market.
I agreed with what you said because crypto currency trading require a lot of knowledge. Winners chapel, the short/day terms form of trading you mentioned are type of trading that require the high knowledge and I won't advice any newbie - member ranking to try it because aside of technical analysis it also require some fundamental analysis cause ones need to set a time of selling.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on August 28, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Yeah, but only those who are holding assets that get a loss, but those who succeed in selling assets in the market when the price of assets rises, they survive this loss.

Not really. Those who were investing wisely not using their money outside their savings wouldn't get too much loss. Those who buys more in the market's bad mood gets the most. It is like a raffle ticket, bud. The consolation prize is in your long-term hold. These falls aren't that much to be worried of, but the panic sellers are kind of unpredictable and they multiply as the market's price continues to dip. It is quite saddening that they quit and cash it all out and never look into the market again.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cuedle on August 28, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
Somebody makes money while somebody loses money, the market is always like this! No matter in what market, most people lose money, a few people in profit!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Ranly123 on August 28, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Yes they lose money but it does not mean they cannot take back some profit. It only needs patience to overcome a down market and hodl is what patience is intended. Also panic does not make any good feedback for investors seeing a red market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Jaci on August 29, 2018, 05:48:12 AM
Yes and no. If you think about most of the people loses their money when the market is down then it is right. But think about when you have coins which you purchased at lower cost than even if the market down then you are in profit. If you purchase Bitcoin at the rate of 6500$ then now you sure in profit. Because now at the moment bitcoin goes over 7000$. But the market is still down. Unless it goes over 12000$ we canít say that it going up.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: TranTrongit on August 29, 2018, 07:08:06 AM
not really . Many people still make money, profits in the market decrease with their experience and tactics. They can buy low price and sell high price when the market rises in a short time. Investors only lose money when they panic selling all at low prices. If they don't sell them and hold them, they will not lose anything.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: kuncimobil on August 29, 2018, 07:23:20 AM
no, not everyone loses money when the market goes down because many people are experienced in trading and have a good strategy so they will still be able to get profit by utilizing the opportunities that exist


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: StarofBTC on August 29, 2018, 07:34:11 AM
Not everyone but maybe 70% to 85% of all the investors and holders. Why I said that because there are many professional traders and brokers around and they might have read the outcome of cryptocurrencies this year and sold all of their coins before the crash happened. They might also lost some but I'm sure that their gains still dominates.
Bear market is always an opportunity for professional traders who simply have the swing strategy style of trading. It may be a bit hard for day traders to trade a volatile bear market which is why so many day traders rather prefer to stay clear the market during some periods than trying to trade the market at that point in time.

The bad thing however, is that a lot of people in the space trade with little or no knowledge, and for a bear market, that would be the worst for them to ever trade.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jhony525525 on August 29, 2018, 07:51:42 AM
Not every one those who do transaction during the market is down then some time they suffers and i think that  still they are not losing much because if not urgent i don't use the crypto for making transactions and if you do with out any policy or expert opinion then you will not lose money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 29, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
Somebody makes money while somebody loses money, the market is always like this! No matter in what market, most people lose money, a few people in profit!
It depends on how much the money is as well. People dumping at loss are not making money but rather losing money. It might seem from your argument that everyone who is selling is at profit of bitcoin but in reality it is not so - why? Because of the panic sellers who think crypto is mighty ponzi and then dump all coins.

Not every one those who do transaction during the market is down then some time they suffers and i think that  still they are not losing much because if not urgent i don't use the crypto for making transactions and if you do with out any policy or expert opinion then you will not lose money.
It all comes back to what price you bought the coin and what price you are selling at. Expert opinions will also say the same thing. ;)


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Aivaryamal on August 29, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
It will be reasonable to make your portfolio of many different cryptocurrencies that have real activity, there are about 60-70 pieces and distribute your capital on them. During the long-term period, they will grow and then you need to fix the profit when reaching 30-50% growth.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Findingnemo on August 29, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
Not everyone,only the people who sold their coins when the market is down will be the real losers.but there are strategies we can make money even when the prices were falling like buying more coins when the price is cheaper and uses the daily price swing to make some money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Moxivuki on August 29, 2018, 10:40:30 AM
Not everyone will lose money, and the team that produces tokens and some whales/sharks can't lose money, because the market decline may be caused by them!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ukboss on August 29, 2018, 02:47:05 PM
Who work in this online industry they are know it is very common issue when market going to dump people loss his money. Cryptocurrency trader always try to recover his money in this region again they lost his money because when market show red signal on that time not perfect for staet trading. It is also better for everyone on the time you hold your coin and when market pump then you can sell your coin. If you follow the strategy I hope you can't lost your money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: hubballi on August 29, 2018, 03:32:41 PM
No their are traders who always book profit on rise as they have bought in low and they know that now the market will be going to correct and they sell off and now in low they buy back. It is very simple theory of market that it always go up and down so who ever is buying in low when ever you see profit just book it. Even some traders know inside info of some coins so they just sell of and buy back in low.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: percent on August 29, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Always ways to make money in a bear market. Shorting stock at leverage the most profitable perhaps.
That said, there are always counter trend movements to trade also.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: gabmen on August 29, 2018, 03:55:17 PM
No their are traders who always book profit on rise as they have bought in low and they know that now the market will be going to correct and they sell off and now in low they buy back. It is very simple theory of market that it always go up and down so who ever is buying in low when ever you see profit just book it. Even some traders know inside info of some coins so they just sell of and buy back in low.

Yeah also, i personally have noticed this but if you've been tracking or observing a certain coin for a long time, you'll have an idea of how it will fluctuate whether the market is red or green. Though profit can be considerably small, it's better than suffering in a red market


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: budakjawa on August 29, 2018, 04:02:43 PM
it seems that is not true, there are some people who hold hold and they will not be able to experience losses when they hold their assets, if they sell it at cheap prices, of course it makes them lose.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: TheReverend on August 29, 2018, 04:08:46 PM
i think not everyone, if someone already buy coin then the price dump, if he sell it, he already lose his money, if just hold still not lose, just value of the coin is decrease.
and also you can make profit from buying again at the dip, life is balance if someone lose then someone win.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: juragane on August 29, 2018, 04:31:00 PM
Yes, you are right, they are trapped at a very expensive price, they will experience a huge loss when they sell their assets at very cheap prices.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Kay28 on August 29, 2018, 04:35:15 PM
Thats right, in simple business era, when the demand is low and down.. Theres always an amount of loss or low profit.. But good thing there are other ways to save ..prevent from declining the funds.. Knowing the margin and ready for conversion or transferring it..or buying good alts in dip price..it will turn around for bigger profit in time when market goes back up...


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: tnabielec on August 29, 2018, 04:47:18 PM
As a trader your most important task is to protect your capital any means necessary. This mean getting out of the losing trade as soon as possible. It's much better to exit at 1% loss than 10-20%.

As an investors who has done his research, dips here and there are nothing but background noise that shouldn't matter.



Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: kulitmanggis on August 29, 2018, 04:54:44 PM
You must try to trade in a different way and you should not be affected when the price conditions are falling. You must be able to control your patience.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ShowOff on August 29, 2018, 05:07:47 PM
You must try to trade in a different way and you should not be affected when the price conditions are falling. You must be able to control your patience.
That is thing that easy to say but hard to practice, maybe not everyone have skill to manage their asset in every market condition. He must be professional trader that can maintain his mental when everyone feel not good in trade.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: biletskiy on August 30, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
Not everyone but maybe 70% to 85% of all the investors and holders. Why I said that because there are many professional traders and brokers around and they might have read the outcome of cryptocurrencies this year and sold all of their coins before the crash happened. They might also lost some but I'm sure that their gains still dominates.
Bear market is always an opportunity for professional traders who simply have the swing strategy style of trading. It may be a bit hard for day traders to trade a volatile bear market which is why so many day traders rather prefer to stay clear the market during some periods than trying to trade the market at that point in time.
The bad thing however, is that a lot of people in the space trade with little or no knowledge, and for a bear market, that would be the worst for them to ever trade.

Most of the people really lose their money when the market is down. You can easily avoid these losses if you stop trading for some time, hold your cryptos and wait.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: george.smith on August 30, 2018, 10:22:35 AM
well it depends upon the trader basically, few days ago i purchased btc at 6k, it bounces back to 7k and last night i converted all my BTC to USDT, i'm not loosing money, even earning although. When i see the market start climbing up, i will convert the USDT to btc with an increase in volume of my over all BTC.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Davido1174 on August 30, 2018, 11:40:43 AM
Their are quite a lot of people that lose money when the market is down. Their are some investors and traders that also make money when the market is going down as well. The tend to short the trades using bitmex and make the money when prices are going down.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ChannaJay on August 30, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
Hello  friend ,

Its a very good explanation. I had lots of plus points from this post and hope to apply them as soon as possible to my trading life.

hope it will effects in positive manner and Thanks a lot for this awesome , helpful , Interesting post.

Good luck and post more posts to help people like this.

great job done.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: loveinberlin on August 30, 2018, 12:55:09 PM
I think you should be ready to lose money any time, there are some experienced traders who manage to earn good money even when there are problems in the market but I don't know how they do this


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BibitBot on August 30, 2018, 01:03:00 PM
Arbitrage between exchanges allows you to earn even in a falling market. This method is based on the difference in the rate of one coin on several exchanges, and it is maintained in any situation on the market


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Rainbow009 on August 30, 2018, 01:08:44 PM
It is generally difficult to make money from a bearish market.
But it is not a loss unless you sell, hodling your assets is the best strategy.
Arbitrage trading is also a good option, as prices always differ on different exchanges.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cinchin1 on August 30, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
Not everyone but maybe 70% to 85% of all the investors and holders. Why I said that because there are many professional traders and brokers around and they might have read the outcome of cryptocurrencies this year and sold all of their coins before the crash happened. They might also lost some but I'm sure that their gains still dominates.
Bear market is always an opportunity for professional traders who simply have the swing strategy style of trading. It may be a bit hard for day traders to trade a volatile bear market which is why so many day traders rather prefer to stay clear the market during some periods than trying to trade the market at that point in time.
The bad thing however, is that a lot of people in the space trade with little or no knowledge, and for a bear market, that would be the worst for them to ever trade.

Most of the people really lose their money when the market is down. You can easily avoid these losses if you stop trading for some time, hold your cryptos and wait.
Of course, this is the plan of the big men, everyone loses money and they will be the people who take the money that people lose, stop trading or holding crypto still can not avoid the loss, losses always exist regardless of whether it is less or more. But this situation is not too bad, if we know the whale's plans, we can turn the disadvantages into advantages, use this opportunity to make more money according to different strategies


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cuongdola211091 on August 30, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
When the market fell many people see anxiety and cut their property losses. It is best to wait patiently for the market and bring the property to market


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Victorycoin on August 30, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
Not everyone loses money in decreasing market because there are some ways to make money like margin trading probably.
This's like the erroneous belief that the earth was flat and people feared of falling off until Ferdinard Magellan pointed the way forward. In the same vein, the fact that market have not been rallying these days does not mean the door has been shut to profit making. There is something called arbitrage - it does not depend on rising or falling market price , just movements in prices to net in some profit and also with USDT, you got a tool to short a falling crypto market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Monta3002 on August 30, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
Not all buddy and it is only those beginners in trading because they will probably lose their patience and start going on the flow of bear market but for professionals they are really earning big profits when in bearish because they know what they are doing


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rickadone on August 31, 2018, 08:22:10 AM
Yes and no. If you think about most of the people loses their money when the market is down then it is right. But think about when you have coins which you purchased at lower cost than even if the market down then you are in profit. If you purchase Bitcoin at the rate of 6500$ then now you sure in profit. Because now at the moment bitcoin goes over 7000$. But the market is still down. Unless it goes over 12000$ we canít say that it going up.
Market cannot be down forever and it wonít be up forever as it is all these changes in the market between an uptrend and a downtrend that makes it what it is. If the market does not go down, it won't bring any chance to buy lower and if it does not go up, there would not be any chance to sell higher, so trading the fluctuations will not be possible.

Those who lose in a down market are those who do not have any trading knowledge at all and all they do is gamble, which makes them to actually be buying at a higher price, thinking they are buying lower, in the middle of a market that is being dumped.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: katuhakuh on August 31, 2018, 11:38:31 AM
I don't think everyone loses money, some people make money when they sell Bitcoin when the market is rising. And some people take this opportunity to buy Bitcoin and Altcoin at low prices. This is a good opportunity to buy more because it's very cheap compared to the price of the last few months.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: lotsky123 on August 31, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
This is right if you sell your coins when the market is down. But if you're still holding it, then no worries. Market price will recovers. We just can't tell when it gonna happens but for sure it will. Just stay calm, relax and hold your coins until the market price becomes stable.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bitcoinisbest on August 31, 2018, 12:31:52 PM
I don't think everyone loses money, some people make money when they sell Bitcoin when the market is rising. And some people take this opportunity to buy Bitcoin and Altcoin at low prices. This is a good opportunity to buy more because it's very cheap compared to the price of the last few months.

It will depend upon the person what they are doing whether buying/selling . Because if you are buying when market is down then you will make money if not immediately but in coming time. But if you are selling when it is down and bought when market was high then yes you will end up in loss.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: OrangeSeller on August 31, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
I think yes, iam also loss much money. I did some mistake in trading, when the price of crypto going down more than 50% i use new money to buy more coins but the price keep down. I did not use stop loss because iam was believe the price will going up. But i will not loss until i sell all that my coins, so now i wait for next bullish of crypto.
Except you are going long and buying the dips with few funds after another, trying to buy the dips as a trader is one silly mistake to ever make as you will be left frustrated and hanging if the market decides to keep going lower and you have completely run out of funds.
You should always have a good strategy before entering any trade and should as well have all it takes to make good calls when it comes to stopping loss and looking forward to buying back lower. Without this knowledge, you are going to be picking huge loss eventually.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: clairdelune on August 31, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
For me not everyone loses when the market is down cause if you are a pro in trading or in the crypto market then you know how to earn already even when the market is down. There are many ways on how you can earn even the market is down or not.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bitbunnny on August 31, 2018, 02:05:06 PM
I don't agree with that.
At the moment the market is down in theory you are in loss but if you wait long enough you can turn that into your favour. And of course everything depends on the price you got your Bitcoins.
Anyway, if you are smart and patient enough, if you have learned to read the signs on the market you can make profit even when the market is down.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cfif123 on August 31, 2018, 03:45:43 PM
it is true, because most of them sell their coins when they hear the market falls again. even if you want to be patient to wait then the loss will not occur if you are calm and always be patient


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BitcoinTurk on August 31, 2018, 05:07:08 PM
I think that the answer to this question can actually be given in two different ways. That's why I want to explain the two reasons and why.

SELLERS: When prices are often down when sales are heavily traded, sales made at the outset of this retirement are always profitable. The reason for this is that you can get cash from the peak and buy with this cash at a lower price.

Buyers: Buying traders will also earn revenue during this period because purchases made at the bottom will be sold at much better prices during the next upturn. These investors are doing well, but these transactions require a lot of patience, time and good knowledge.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: vinbentrob on August 31, 2018, 05:31:04 PM
It all depends on how will see loss.  Some would say that as long as you have not sold your coin,  regardless of the price of your coin in the market,  you have not make any loss.  Some would argue otherwise and say you made loss if your coin are selling below your entry price in fiat!  You just need to pick trading school of thought that works for you and plan around it to maximises your chances!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: romero121 on August 31, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
Not everyone, people who doesn't analyze the market will encounter loss. In detail on analysis it is possible to find whether the price fall will continue or will get stopped. Based on this it is good to go with further buying or selling, this way can stay away from losses even when the market is down. Other options were trading and holding for the price pump.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: anitaraymonds on August 31, 2018, 06:14:11 PM
The bearish showing of the market for major part of the year is alarming and worth noting. How could one explain the rationale behind the peak price of $19000  in 2017 only for the  bitcoin to be at the lowest point compare for some years  ago. The market value is not helping  anybody as the price will climb today and fall the next minutes. Bitcoin has tried to maintain $6000 and has been trading above the support level at $6087. If bitcoin has any issue and the market drops the same effect will happen to the altcoins to drops in value .                                                                                                                                                                       


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rainezerr on August 31, 2018, 07:19:48 PM
it is true, because most of them sell their coins when they hear the market falls again. even if you want to be patient to wait then the loss will not occur if you are calm and always be patient

Those people who sell their coins at the lowest price are just new traders in the market since they did not have the good knowledge and they tend to sell their coins at the lowest price which makes them lose a huge amount of their investments.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Hamstead on August 31, 2018, 10:23:05 PM
I may not totally say yes cause some if us still gaining while the others are losing by then. We know that mostly people who have loss this time are those who are new in the world of crypto  and some take advantage on it buying their coins in cheap.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Zooplus on August 31, 2018, 11:07:22 PM
I may not totally say yes cause some if us still gaining while the others are losing by then. We know that mostly people who have loss this time are those who are new in the world of crypto  and some take advantage on it buying their coins in cheap.
Everyone loses money if they chose to make panic selling during the market is down.But if we will be patient in waiting for the market condition to make a good increase,then we will gain profits instead of losing them.But i really admire those people who really knows how to gain profits even when the market is totally down.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: babysweetTiger0401 on September 01, 2018, 04:59:55 AM
Losses of money is happening whether the market is down or not. This would depend on how you manage money in this field of business mate.
Because, in my observation while the market was in declining period the people who loss money during in red market are those who don't have patience on waiting that's why they sell their coins even it is they didn't get any profit. Meaning losing of money most often happen when their emotions attack the feelings of individuals when doing trade in the market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Chachacoin17 on September 01, 2018, 06:07:39 AM
Losses of money is happening whether the market is down or not. This would depend on how you manage money in this field of business mate.
Because, in my observation while the market was in declining period the people who loss money during in red market are those who don't have patience on waiting that's why they sell their coins even it is they didn't get any profit. Meaning losing of money most often happen when their emotions attack the feelings of individuals when doing trade in the market.

Technically we'll be losing for a few days if we have purchased bitcoin at high price, but it's an opportunity for those who need to buy at smaller value. Eventually it made you learned from that experience when you suddenly picked and decided at wrong point of view.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BlueStackz on September 01, 2018, 06:12:22 AM
not really . Many people still make money, profits in the market decrease with their experience and tactics. They can buy low price and sell high price when the market rises in a short time. Investors only lose money when they panic selling all at low prices. If they don't sell them and hold them, they will not lose anything.
To simply put this, good traders will always keep making money whereas bad traders will keep getting punked. It is a normal thing to experience, as someone elseís loss is someoneís gain and if you do not have those two sides to the market, it would not be what it is.

Those who end up losing badly are the ones without any strategy, does not know the ABC of trading and they are just doing whatever comes to mind and not acting on what they see or know about trading a market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: nelsledma on September 01, 2018, 06:50:16 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
You will only worry about price going down if you are only into Hodl, but if youíre a trader you wouldnít even worry about that because traders trade everyday 24/7 and there is profit involved as long as youíre good in the trading. But when youíre just holding you would be worried cause youíre relying that going up to make profit and once itís down your money goes down with it and you will have to wait for it to recover before making profit which might take a long time.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: carol15171821 on September 01, 2018, 06:57:41 AM
Many people are losing money because of market down? Maybe if you grab once it dip and it become diper more the you sold it, yes you may lose your money. But if you'll wait for the bull market? You cannot says that everyone loses their money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: TheUltraElite on September 01, 2018, 04:13:58 PM
Technically we'll be losing for a few days if we have purchased bitcoin at high price, but it's an opportunity for those who need to buy at smaller value. Eventually it made you learned from that experience when you suddenly picked and decided at wrong point of view.
Why would anyone even buy bitcoin at the higher price. If they are not going to look into the past price charts then they should not trade like that. Except those who need coins in a emergency, I dont see any reason for a trader to buy at high price, say 7k USD and then hold it. Still many people have done so when the bull run happened last year. Now they are at a loss and holding it painfully hoping for a green market to sell.

But if they do at least a little bit of research on the price which is the easiest to obtain, they have either FOMOed, like I said above or they did not look into the charts.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: malah on September 01, 2018, 04:39:31 PM
I don't think that happens if they don't sell the assets they have at a very cheap price because when you trade cryptocurrency and get stuck at a very expensive price, you can still hold it and wait until there is a price recovery.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Omega Weapon on September 02, 2018, 12:24:13 AM
No, you are forgetting that in some exchanges you can short bitcoin as well, when you do that things are reversed, you lose money when bitcoin goes up and earn money when bitcoin goes down, so while shorting bitcoin or any other asset is risky it is one of the best ways to earn money fast because if you dominate going long and short you can earn money when the market goes up and down.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: hoavantathan on September 02, 2018, 01:03:28 AM
When the market has its signal to go down, we should sell all coins. But we did not do that. So we lost. But i change my plan. I sell all coins and buy at the bottom price. I can not say i win but i hope so.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: robertsu on September 02, 2018, 03:46:55 AM
Not all buddy and it is only those beginners in trading because they will probably lose their patience and start going on the flow of bear market but for professionals they are really earning big profits when in bearish because they know what they are doing
Yes this is true. Professionals  to get a income in the bearish trend and getting the main part  of the income it's a fact. Because income  is a fixed to in BTC.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: iASIC on September 02, 2018, 04:11:46 AM
That's right, but it's not necessarily money. It shows the value of your portfolio is reduced. But you should know that investing is a long-term business. You should invest in a certain altcoin for a long time and do not be afraid when the market goes down. If you are confident in your portfolio, you will easily succeed.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: riso2015 on September 02, 2018, 01:33:08 PM
That's right, but it's not necessarily money. It shows the value of your portfolio is reduced. But you should know that investing is a long-term business. You should invest in a certain altcoin for a long time and do not be afraid when the market goes down. If you are confident in your portfolio, you will easily succeed.
Buy a few coins for the long term is a best step to safeguard loses money when the market is going down,
because most of the coins will certainly increase again in the long term.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: tothanhtuan on September 02, 2018, 01:48:25 PM
 In all markets september tends to be a bad month and crypto has not been any different if you look back at the last couple of years. On the other hand October, November and December may be another story. At this point I dont see us going much higher than we are now and actually I am still more bearish than anything. Then again I cant predict the market, just wanted to give my two cents.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: zazarb on September 03, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Yes, Cryptocurrency seller lose money, but for most case temporarily.
If they hold their currencies enough and do not panic for sale everything, in which case they should not suffer a loss


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Google+ on September 03, 2018, 03:59:56 PM
In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: dewi91 on September 03, 2018, 06:29:22 PM
In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
Yes you right, we loss if we do panic selling when the market down. Many people still do panic selling and it just worsen the market, we should have the strong hand to hold, we should be able to control our emotion, do not buy when the market rising because it will need a long time to get profit. Before buying do research about coins that we want to buy so we will know the potential of that coins


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Davido1174 on September 03, 2018, 10:07:50 PM
As Cryptocurrency market is, most people tend to lose money when prices are going down. Its normal in the cryptocurrency market Unless the trader chooses to trade using bitmex where he can short and make money


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Cointoli on September 03, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
If you do not sell, you do not lose money and investors just keep the coins you invested so when you reach their target sell new. This is a very simple and effective investment that investors can refer to during this time instead of selling massively at very low prices and accepting losses.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: olarrtt on September 03, 2018, 11:37:55 PM
I see many folks wanna start trading, have you really what you need to know, your TA, stop loss , reliable source of cryptocurrency market.
Patience is a virtue as it is, I will suggest no to rush in order not to get burnt.
Don't just enter the market and start buying dip, sometimes when you think you have bought the dip, it gets Dipper.
Study the market first, candles and all and you will good in your short trade.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: mornabo on September 04, 2018, 01:44:06 AM
In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
Yeah you're right, of course not all traders are stupid people, they can analyze whether prices will go back down or up, and they can take advantage of the situation even when the price falls though, you will understand that when you are experienced and expert, basically not all traders lose when prices go down


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jessica2020 on September 04, 2018, 03:38:24 AM
I think it is good to wait and hold your coins when the market is down and wait till the market recovers, sothat you can have a profit. You need to be patience in holding.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: clairdelune on September 04, 2018, 04:05:17 AM
Not everyone loses money if you did not hit the pump of the price and you did not sell it yet then you are not loosing money, But if you sell it with the dump price then that is the time that you lose the money that you invested.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: GREATLOVE on September 04, 2018, 04:32:00 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
I think not all because you can wait for the price pump and to get a profits . will if yoi have a good strategy you can't loss your profits .buy in a low price then sell I in the high price .


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: yonjitsu on September 04, 2018, 07:39:34 AM
Only those people who don't have anymore cryptos in their wallet will not lose any money during market crisis. For those who are keeping cryptos in their wallet, it will be greatly affected during  market crisis because almost all cryptos seem to follow bitcoin's price fluctuations too.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: pieppiep on September 04, 2018, 11:29:53 AM
yes it can happen if they are affected and they sell the assets they have in a very cheap price condition that will cause them to suffer a lot of losses but if they do not sell it they will not suffer losses.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Limar0 on September 04, 2018, 11:59:38 AM
When people are selling their coins when the market is down, then they are surely on the losing end. But if they're holding to it whatever it takes then they haven't lost anything yet. So hold on to it whatever it takes to avoid losses because the market price will recover soon.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on September 04, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
because it's a self-fault that can't control the panic. the problem is how to overcome the money or loss is waiting and patience when the market again experienced a drastic decline like yesterday


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Freestyle5 on September 04, 2018, 02:11:15 PM
No, not everyone losses, some see opportunity when market goes down and make profits. This happens in every market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: nurbay on September 04, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Yes, right.
When the market conditions are decreasing, there are many people who lose their money.
This happens because when the price of coins is expensive they buy the coin and when the price of the coin goes down they lose their money.
Such is indeed normal because Cryptocurrency is volatile.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: metalglowd on September 04, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.

but if indeed the market is experiencing a decline with conditions like this and for example now when we sell our assets and still get profit, we better sell it, then we will take advantage of time and market conditions allow


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Xardasim on September 04, 2018, 06:00:50 PM
I learned in this situation that i should sell it when the time comes. There is no need to wait for more time. After a while the price starts to fall and you don't want to sell anymore. Afterwards it comes to a situation that we should sell at the lowest price.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: coinnywide on September 06, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
People who do not sell coins when prices fall, will not lose their money. And they are very smart people because they don't waste the opportunity to succeed. They know, the market will return to bullish in the near future.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Dontme on September 06, 2018, 01:35:36 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
People that still hold never lose this is always crypto people tell us but the thing is we didn't know when our emotion can strike and it make us doubt sometimes and feel depress on it and some of us sell it because they are afraid that the price wont come up again.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: KesoNie on September 06, 2018, 02:07:04 PM
I learned in this situation that i should sell it when the time comes. There is no need to wait for more time. After a while the price starts to fall and you don't want to sell anymore. Afterwards it comes to a situation that we should sell at the lowest price.
Whenever I have the opportunity to sell my coin in a good value I am definitely grabbed it. It is true that there's no need to wait for more time when you know that the world of crypto market is inconsistent and this would vary anytime that's why I wouldn't want to missed this kind of opportunity.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Telybin on September 06, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
This is not necessarily true. There is a lot of profit taking when the market goes down as this will be an opportunity for them to buy large amounts of money at very low prices.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: giacatluong on September 06, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
Although Bitcoin may increase by several hundred million dollars a year, it should not blindly invest in this virtual currency. Anything that fluctuates 20-30% in a day is unstable. Therefore, investing in Bitcoin can lost all your possessions or you may be able to make a million dollars from it.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: nareal109 on September 07, 2018, 05:42:16 AM
Not everyone in my opinion. I've seen some traders switch their coins to USDT after every time that they're earned profit.
This is a good way if the market is down, opposite term it's very very bad.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Angela28 on September 07, 2018, 08:40:15 AM
When accepting investment, we should accept the loss of market losses if the market up we will earn a profit but if the market goes down we will lose some money. there. However, we should be optimistic tomorrow


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Olalomi on September 07, 2018, 08:48:47 AM
We view the market with different perspective when some people analyses the market for a sell trade others views it as time to buy whichever way the market moves favours either the buyers or the sellers thus when the market moves down buyers are losers while sellers makes profits.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Siren on September 07, 2018, 09:11:22 AM
NO its not,because many investors are looking for the market to go down,this is the moment they are waiting to buy another sets of coin to add in their portfolios

Yes many are crying when market drops,but it doesnt mean all of us losing ,this market is big and lots of opportunities to gain not just by daytrading but in long term investment also


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Evil eye on September 07, 2018, 10:56:02 AM
When the prices are down in the market everybody is losing their money, I know this is not true. Many people benefit if some people lose investment. If there is a good idea about the market and the strategy is adopted then it is always possible to gain benefit from the market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: mejalipat on September 07, 2018, 12:23:27 PM
most people have lost their money when the market goes down because they panic and sell coins they have at a low price, but not everyone loses, there are some who still think clearly and can even get money when the price goes down


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: aloktyagi.gz on September 07, 2018, 03:29:55 PM
Not everyone loses when the market goes down, usually when the market signals to go down the traders are converted to usdt and wait to buy at lower prices. You need to monitor and stoploss when necessary.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Windmoney@1 on September 07, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
Not everyone because it also serve as opportunity for many people to buy and make cool money... In the other way Rand some people do lost money when market is a little bit down


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Winston Tate on September 07, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
No, the people who do shorts don't lose, they earn.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: developer101dev on September 07, 2018, 06:03:46 PM
Although Bitcoin may increase by several hundred million dollars a year, it should not blindly invest in this virtual currency. Anything that fluctuates 20-30% in a day is unstable. Therefore, investing in Bitcoin can lost all your possessions or you may be able to make a million dollars from it.

Yes it can make you lose a lot of your possessions but that is also the reason why you only need to invest a value that you can lose in this bear market, so keep on holding your coins today while the price is still low.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Tran Dinh Nam on September 07, 2018, 06:15:33 PM
Definitely yes! But we can prevent of getting lose by just holding our coins in our wallet. In that scenario, we can say that we will avoid of getting lose. However, holding of coins are always risking our capital and many investors are fear for their assets to be fade away. Therefore, only few investors succeed of holding from entire bear market


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jiniyaakter on September 07, 2018, 07:49:07 PM
I bought some coin when price up but now price down so I hold my coin but now this is the good time to buy coin because market is down


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Cassidyblaze55 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:49 PM
Virtually, if you are a Cryptocurrency investor, its a must that you would lose money if market is going down except you know technical analysis so that you would know when price is going down


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Holucoin10 on September 07, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
Not everyone. I have heard the saying that many loose for many to gain and vice versa, and this seems true most times. When you buy something, you loose money for the other person to gain. The other person loose the something for you to gain. so, if the something eventually worth more, days later, the seller just lost some values, and if otherwise, the buyer incurred two losses.  Market analysis is crazy really, but I'm sure some people even prefer market downtrend, cause of what they stand to gain after the market goes up.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Holucoin10 on September 07, 2018, 09:39:53 PM

Most crypto investors are in the rush to join the bullish market as a result of FOMO while they havenít figured out why they are investing. This is often done on impulse or based on speculations that highly predict the value of cryptocurrencies. Just like holding a portfolio of bonds or stocks one needs to have goals they seek to achieve using funds from the Return on the investments. This is why they are loosing, and others that know have an investment plan are gaining.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Holucoin10 on September 07, 2018, 09:40:32 PM

Most crypto investors are in the rush to join the bullish market as a result of FOMO while they havenít figured out why they are investing. This is often done on impulse or based on speculations that highly predict the value of cryptocurrencies. Just like holding a portfolio of bonds or stocks one needs to have goals they seek to achieve using funds from the Return on the investments. This is why they are loosing, and others that know have an investment plan are gaining.

It is so important for any investor to have a set of objectives they plan to meet and alternative strategies they can take if they do not meet targets. The cryptocurrency market is highly volatile which makes it necessary for any investor to be disciplined by setting goals. For example, one can do fundamental analysis and evaluate which projects might take a longer time to gain profits and which projects are currently at their peak for quick profits


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bonsaiav on September 07, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?

Indeed, at that time all traders may not be able to make a profit, but there are still better ways to do this, in the face of this critical decline situation, namely by buying (for those who have money) or holding it, in a few hours, day and month. Even though we cannot make a profit, at least we can avoid losses, and will benefit in the future.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: minime0105 on September 07, 2018, 10:12:59 PM
When the market is in down, yes, there are ways to make money. In crypto as far as I observed when the market starts going down it will continue to do so and it won't stop so if you catch a period like this in the market like how BTC collapsed from 7k to 6,4000 region today one could have sold then and then bought at the lower price


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BitSat on September 07, 2018, 10:20:38 PM
Bitcoin and altcoins keep dropping every single hour but then this doesn't happen for a long time at the end the price gets stable or at least it recovers a bit. It never happens that a coin is keeping on going down continuously unless it is a shitcoin which is about to get trashed. The only time to make profit in such situations is when the coin recovers slightly sometimes price declines and sometimes price grows it is on this you can earn. It's just a short term trade. There is nothing complicated in it if you understand everything. Moreover, there are strategies for earning in the bear market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: West0813 on September 07, 2018, 11:33:19 PM
Only those people who bought cryptos in its all time high is really loosing their money. Down market does not mean all people lose their money. In fact there are some people who are buying cryptos in this down market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: weblouartisan on September 07, 2018, 11:38:05 PM
Although Bitcoin may increase by several hundred million dollars a year, it should not blindly invest in this virtual currency. Anything that fluctuates 20-30% in a day is unstable. Therefore, investing in Bitcoin can lost all your possessions or you may be able to make a million dollars from it.

Yes obviously, everyone will be losing money but then it was also the time when you can invest a huge amount of coins in order to earn more profit when the market prices will go back to normal.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bakemat on September 08, 2018, 12:36:20 AM
Only those people who bought cryptos in its all time high is really loosing their money. Down market does not mean all people lose their money. In fact there are some people who are buying cryptos in this down market.

Most of the people will lose money, those who are holding a huge amount, but for those people that wants to join the industry then it was the right time to invest since the market is currently dropping.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Omega Weapon on September 08, 2018, 01:19:18 AM
In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
This is something that people forget, you do not lose money until to sell your coins, when the market is down you only have potential losses it is not only until you actually sell when those losses materialize, so as you can see it doesn't make a lot of sense to sell your coins but still people are not acting in a rational way when they do that because they are afraid that the coins in which they invested go to zero.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Gadhoh on September 08, 2018, 01:25:10 AM
Not everyone, people who doesn't analyze the market will encounter loss. In detail on analysis it is possible to find whether the price fall will continue or will get stopped. Based on this it is good to go with further buying or selling, this way can stay away from losses even when the market is down. Other options were trading and holding for the price pump.
some of them are really panicked so they sell their bitcoins whether it's just a few or even everything. A very risky mistake when this happened even though it was enough with patience, holding it back until the price actually recovered.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: CryptoXis on September 08, 2018, 01:36:59 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.


When everything is going down well its best to HODL! If you dont feel pretty confident on trading on a daily basis HODL will secure the mark to gain more profits when bull market starts. Its just a matter of analysis and decision making during hard times. If you feel safe to trade then go ahead buy them back later to save yourself from losing. Not everyone is losing when market is down and you should appreciate it to fill your bags and thank me later.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: deppil on September 08, 2018, 01:55:42 AM
Only those people who bought cryptos in its all time high is really loosing their money. Down market does not mean all people lose their money. In fact there are some people who are buying cryptos in this down market.
Dont need to buy when ATH to be lose, even before the price decreases if they have already bought and the price decreases,
of course they can lose if they do panic selling. so be careful in determining when the right time to buy. do good analysis and research first


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: leavolnhals on September 08, 2018, 01:56:57 AM
Not really. Because there are some people who hold USDT a lot and he will wait when the market goes down to buy more altcoins. I have been implementing that strategy and it works pretty well. It does not bring much profit but I am satisfied with what I have now.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: bitcoinposts on September 08, 2018, 06:28:12 AM
when the market is going down we should not sell the coins no matter how low the coins are if loose money only when we sell the coins at low price and panic selling


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Darz299 on September 08, 2018, 07:17:20 AM
I don't think everyone loses money when market prices drop. Some people who panic and sell their bitcoin when prices are down do lose a lot of money. But many also hold on to bitcoin when market prices fall and wait until the market price go up because they don't want to lose a lot of money but to get lots of profits.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: SirLancelot on September 08, 2018, 08:05:50 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
When the price is down it only affects those that were caught up with the fall, but for those who were fast enough to get off the market before it happens, it has nothing on them. And as for whether people earns money when the price is down, well they doÖ in fact a lot of people do and they have their ways of doing so.

There are groups that would prefer to be regularly pumping and dumping the coin to make little profit before the main bull market comes and there are also those who rely on trading.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: lavishlife on September 08, 2018, 09:07:14 AM
I don't think it is right to use the term "everyone", and what do you mean
by the market is down? do you mean by the major coins? because if the major coins
are down then some alts are pumping.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Obama07 on September 09, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
Some right. But we canít make you 100% right about. Because there is little chance for make profit though market is down. Think about day trading. Every hour up and down is very simple in this field. Though market goes down regularly or a regular basis but we can make profit. If you think about long term then itís ok. It is so hard to make profit from a down market. If you buy in a low rate then if tomorrow it goes more low then how can you make profit?   


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: chandra12 on September 09, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
I may not necessarily entirely point out sure result in several when us all nonetheless getting even though the other folks are usually shedding at the same time. We realize in which largely individuals who have damage now are usually those who find themselves fresh on earth regarding crypto and several make the most about it getting their particular money inside low-cost.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Cassidyblaze55 on September 09, 2018, 07:57:44 PM
It is very clear that everyone loses money when the market is down because when prices goes down, prices of commodities goes down as well and investors tend to see their portfolio diminish


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: pobeditelvezde on September 09, 2018, 09:10:12 PM
Remember the rule "if somebody loses that somebody gains". You may also be a "bear" and make a bet on the further market falling by selling any assets which are available for a short sells. Just be careful because short positions are much more dangerous than long ones. Generally I would not open short positions when market is so low it needed to do it earlier.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rhodelmabanal on September 09, 2018, 09:25:46 PM
I may not necessarily entirely point out sure result in several when us all nonetheless getting even though the other folks are usually shedding at the same time. We realize in which largely individuals who have damage now are usually those who find themselves fresh on earth regarding crypto and several make the most about it getting their particular money inside low-cost.

Basically it's their wrong perceptions that the downtrend of crypto price could lose every trader's money. But for me now the whole scenario about crypto price declination, was an opportunity for us in order to buy at cheaper prices and eventually take much higher profit after all in the future.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: prashanta on September 09, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
Not only investors who usually book income on upward thrust as they have got bought in low and they know that now the market might be going to accurate and that they promote off and now in low, they buy lower back. it's far quite simple concept of the market that it always goes up and down so whoever is shopping for in low whenever you notice income just e-book it. Even a few investors realize internal info of a few coins so that they simply promote of and buy lower back in low.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Vangar on September 09, 2018, 09:49:40 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

There have been a lot of good answers already for your question, so I'll try to keep it short. When market dips, this is where traders start to play out their strategies, not those that seek simple exchange (even they can profit actually). In trading, when opening an order, you can set your own prices as limits. Bitcoin and altcoins all fluctuate and their dip is not a straight-lined either.
You have numerous ups and downs during this time, so you capitalize on them. And trust me, these can be quite large as well, going by 10% even. What makes a good trader is the capability to guess exactly when such jumps occur. You then set out take-profit and stop-loss limits and push "sell" order.
If you guessed it right, through fundamental and technical analysis (more on them here https://www.cryptocointrade.com/education/), you can earn a quick and small profit, platform trade fees included. You make several day trades and voila! You've earned a modest profit, even when the market falls down!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: West0813 on September 09, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
Not everyone looses their money in this down market. Some people are waiting for this time to happen so they can buy some good alts at lower price. And if the market recover one thing is for sure they get some huge payout. Although it is very risky.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Yamifoud on September 09, 2018, 11:45:19 PM
We can say everyone is losing if we sell our coins today, but if you are still in the way of holding tight, you can prevent it.
We also put into consideration that we never expect such long bearish trend and for the tired of waiting, we might end up of holding and sell our coins even we knew that we are still losing. Diversifying our investment will help us for the fast recovery of our losses and make some gains in a long run.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Avengers360 on September 10, 2018, 05:41:36 AM
That's not exactly true, there are ways to make profits in a bearish trend.
Arbitrage trading is a strategy that works in any market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: tyas pur on September 10, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
The state of a market that has decreased prices can trigger a person to lose money because the value of market prices has decreased in price.
Someone buys coins at a high price and when the market conditions fall in price it will make the price of the coin fall in value.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: apityeh71 on September 10, 2018, 07:56:38 AM
I think only about 5% of trader possible made profit from current situation of crypto market,  and others 95% is loss loss money,  iam one of the trader that loss alof of money. But this loss can be recover when next bull market coming,  i still hold all my coin untill others bullish come,  and i pretty sure bull market is will be coming soon.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: PETES on September 10, 2018, 03:05:41 PM
I think only about 5% of trader possible made profit from current situation of crypto market,  and others 95% is loss loss money,  iam one of the trader that loss alof of money. But this loss can be recover when next bull market coming,  i still hold all my coin untill others bullish come,  and i pretty sure bull market is will be coming soon.

It will be a real loss if you sell it now even you knew that you're losing but as you hold your coins then nothing to be worry, any how the market will recover. Despite all of the uncertainty in the community, we still choose to be positive because we believe on it, even when everything is falling.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bunsomjelican on September 10, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
as I observed in the market most of the coins are in red case, however, there are few coins still are getting pump or in green in the exchange

platform. Meaning, there are still traders out there are getting profit, maybe for some coins are pumping its value only. Though I admit that

majority of the traders in the market loses their capital in the platform.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Dheo on September 10, 2018, 05:20:14 PM
I think only about 5% of trader possible made profit from current situation of crypto market,  and others 95% is loss loss money,  iam one of the trader that loss alof of money. But this loss can be recover when next bull market coming,  i still hold all my coin untill others bullish come,  and i pretty sure bull market is will be coming soon.

It will be a real loss if you sell it now even you knew that you're losing but as you hold your coins then nothing to be worry, any how the market will recover. Despite all of the uncertainty in the community, we still choose to be positive because we believe on it, even when everything is falling.

We need to choose being positive because this is the only way we can do for now. To avoid stressed just be positive and have patience, go continue hold your coin until the market recovered.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Edraket31 on September 10, 2018, 08:23:47 PM
I think only about 5% of trader possible made profit from current situation of crypto market,  and others 95% is loss loss money,  iam one of the trader that loss alof of money. But this loss can be recover when next bull market coming,  i still hold all my coin untill others bullish come,  and i pretty sure bull market is will be coming soon.

It will be a real loss if you sell it now even you knew that you're losing but as you hold your coins then nothing to be worry, any how the market will recover. Despite all of the uncertainty in the community, we still choose to be positive because we believe on it, even when everything is falling.

We need to choose being positive because this is the only way we can do for now. To avoid stressed just be positive and have patience, go continue hold your coin until the market recovered.
No one losses if we will just keep on holding on as we all know that we will just lose money here in cryptocurrency once we already convert it but if we don't yet convert it, then we still have the chance and opportunity to gain everything that we want, so don't just easily give up, we can do it as time goes by. 


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Affilate User on September 11, 2018, 03:37:41 AM
I don't think it's true maybe they will hold back the assets they have and some already know when prices drop and they can still be safe and not suffer losses when you don't sell assets that you have at low prices.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: vixcious on September 11, 2018, 04:17:19 AM
 I do not think everyone loses money when the market drops. There are many investors holding USDT to wait when the market falls and they will buy into the potential altcoins at the bottom. That is a great strategy and we should follow this strategy.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: doomistake on September 11, 2018, 05:53:56 AM
To make the story short, and obviously yes of course, everyone loses money when the market is down, technically the prices are all going down so that would mean that your money is also decreasing, your profits are gone. But it doesn't mean that you will see it as a negative sign, it could an advantage if you are a smart trader, when the market is down, it is the right time for you to buy Altcoins that you could use in Trading(just be picky when you are going to buy) don't buy randomly.

But it is not literally you are losing your money, it is not permanent, it is just for temporary and in time, the market will be green again, your profits would be back or you could have even more.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BitcoinCommodor on September 11, 2018, 06:19:37 AM
Yes, right.
When the market conditions are decreasing, there are many people who lose their money.
This happens because when the price of coins is expensive they buy the coin and when the price of the coin goes down they lose their money.
Such is indeed normal because Cryptocurrency is volatile.
There are cases when the market does not even go down and people loose money. This is the case of the personal mistakes and personal errors and one can minimize such losses upon extending his knowledge about the technology he is dealing with.

After this is achieved, you will not loose even when the market fails. You would come up with good strategies that will maximize the worth of your investment irrespective of the market circumstances.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bonsaiav on September 11, 2018, 06:45:48 AM
If everyone panics and sells it when prices are low, of course they will suffer loss. But the facts say otherwise not all traders and investors it's stupid, many of them can think smart so even though the panic exists, they don't necessarily sell crypto.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ncn1992vn on September 11, 2018, 07:01:41 AM
You will not loose even when the market fails.
But not every one those who do transaction during the market is down then some time they suffers
If you do with out any policy or expert opinion then you will not lose money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: RomaFin on September 11, 2018, 07:25:09 AM
The statistics says that after the growth of 2017 there were a couple of percent of traders kept their deposit with minimal losses, the bulk simply went to the second stage of waiting


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: tooklau on September 11, 2018, 07:26:26 AM
Not all investors will lose money, and some skilled traders can still make profits from the new altcoin! Of course, there are always whales/sharks that will make a profit!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: gabmen on September 11, 2018, 07:44:32 AM
If everyone panics and sells it when prices are low, of course they will suffer loss. But the facts say otherwise not all traders and investors it's stupid, many of them can think smart so even though the panic exists, they don't necessarily sell crypto.

Exactly. The only time you really lose for certain is when you let go of the coins you hold. You basically remove all chances of recovery. But there are also times when it is necessary to cut losses and enter at a cheaper time to balance it out. A good trader would know how to jumble being passive and aggressive depending on how he sees the market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Hairynipples on September 11, 2018, 07:53:59 AM
If everyone panics and sells it when prices are low, of course they will suffer loss. But the facts say otherwise not all traders and investors it's stupid, many of them can think smart so even though the panic exists, they don't necessarily sell crypto.

I would say that for every trader who loses money someone else is making money, that's how the market works.

Obviously there's a lot of variables in the equation i.e. at what price point the seller or buyer bought in but regardless of whether its a bear or bull market there will always be winners and losers.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: uchiikina14 on September 11, 2018, 08:04:23 AM
For me it is not all who looses money when the market is down cause when they do not sell it yet and they just hodl their coin they are not loosing but if they sell it with a low value then it is the time they lose their money and when they bought the coin when it is high then it is also the time they are loosing.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: St4yInTh3D4rk on September 11, 2018, 08:05:42 AM
Not everyone only the people who is holding the con when the market down will lose their money the people who sell their coins at the early stage are the one who get more profited person but the loss is not actual until we sell our coins.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: babykika2027 on September 11, 2018, 08:15:52 AM
I don't think so, when a time like this can be a moment to get profit, some traders must have a lot of strategies in trading, do some market analysis so as not to lose, the important thing is not to panic when the market is red


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: wozzek23 on September 12, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
as I observed in the market most of the coins are in red case, however, there are few coins still are getting pump or in green in the exchange

platform. Meaning, there are still traders out there are getting profit, maybe for some coins are pumping its value only. Though I admit that

majority of the traders in the market loses their capital in the platform.
It is a clear lose if your selling price is less than cost price so what is the need to sell on lower price that is not the real meaning of your trading. Now hold all your coins till high market price or wait for the price to go high so that you may be able to get your profit. Furthermore this is a long term source which will give you value in long time when you buy in low market then it takes time to recover so you have to wait till high market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: lonzoball0 on September 12, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
people lose their money when the market is going down. but not everybody, Thousands of traders make huge money from it by trading, shorting BTC and staking.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: NorihiroName on September 12, 2018, 01:41:33 PM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: otundebis on September 12, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
There is no better truth than the statement on the heading of this thread.  If market is losing money in terms of capitalisation,  you should know that sooner or later every coin eventuality going to lose money as well.  Bitcoin is the most singular factor in the market that affect price across board!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: astridwi on September 12, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
Not really. Because there are some people who hold USDT a lot and he will wait when the market goes down to buy more altcoins. I have been implementing that strategy and it works pretty well. It does not bring much profit but I am satisfied with what I have now.
I tend to buy USDT when the market falls because this is more effective in preventing losses than having to hold it longer, when the market starts recovery it is time for me to buy a good crypto again to provide maximum profit


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Noa_Amable on September 12, 2018, 02:17:55 PM
Not everyone loses money in decreasing market because there are some ways to make money like margin trading probably.

in many cases margin trading is quite specific and is done via CFD which does not affect market at all


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: justspare on September 12, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Not really that all of us are losing money due to the down markets.
I mean most loses money but there are inevitably people who bet on bitcoin price going down on bitmex and short futures on cme which means there are SOME people making money when the price is going down.

Not many people maybe but we don't know how much that very few people put into the bet so maybe that is a good chunk of money to be made during the fall. I do not think many people make money tho, most people lose money. I just wanted to point out that there are still people who bet on bitcoin price losing value which means there are people who do make money during the bear market which is sad because I do not wish price to go down and they bet for it.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: raghovsing34 on September 12, 2018, 02:21:11 PM
 Yes, many people have faced a lot of losses in this down market. Because almost all coin has dumped too much.For which I lost a lot of money on this bear market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: joey alexander on September 12, 2018, 03:44:08 PM
no not everyone loses money when the market is down.some make profits by trading and some people turn their BTC in to USDT before drop and when it drops they buy more BTC.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: KesoNie on September 13, 2018, 11:42:14 AM
no not everyone loses money when the market is down.some make profits by trading and some people turn their BTC in to USDT before drop and when it drops they buy more BTC.
Yes it's true that not everyone loses money when the market is down because the process is still on your own hand on how you gonna play the game wisely while the market is not good. Some are making profit fron the downfall of the market but I guess not all the time is a good time for them.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Lazada on September 13, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
no not everyone loses money when the market is down.some make profits by trading and some people turn their BTC in to USDT before drop and when it drops they buy more BTC.
Yes it's true that not everyone loses money when the market is down because the process is still on your own hand on how you gonna play the game wisely while the market is not good. Some are making profit fron the downfall of the market but I guess not all the time is a good time for them.
So actually when we can take advantage of the situation well, we can get the opportunity to make a profit and when we cannot take advantage of the condition well we will not get anything. This is a matter where we must be able to be in every condition, for someone who has this ability they will be able to achieve what they want and dream.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Noa_Amable on September 13, 2018, 02:47:43 PM
Not really that all of us are losing money due to the down markets.
I mean most loses money but there are inevitably people who bet on bitcoin price going down on bitmex and short futures on cme which means there are SOME people making money when the price is going down.

Not many people maybe but we don't know how much that very few people put into the bet so maybe that is a good chunk of money to be made during the fall. I do not think many people make money tho, most people lose money. I just wanted to point out that there are still people who bet on bitcoin price losing value which means there are people who do make money during the bear market which is sad because I do not wish price to go down and they bet for it.

sure, some people may earn money on that still, it can not last forever


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: riso2015 on September 13, 2018, 03:17:53 PM
no not everyone loses money when the market is down.some make profits by trading and some people turn their BTC in to USDT before drop and when it drops they buy more BTC.
Yes it's true that not everyone loses money when the market is down because the process is still on your own hand on how you gonna play the game wisely while the market is not good. Some are making profit fron the downfall of the market but I guess not all the time is a good time for them.
Better to use the moment as now to buy, don't ever panic when the market prices are
experiencing a down trend. Because we can see that each price will surely rise again.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: aliraza6663 on September 13, 2018, 03:34:38 PM
I disagree with you sir, i think many people are doing swing trades and holding different position based on the sentiment of market. they learnt it after so many failures but finally they are out of HOLD Positions and earning even in bearish market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Le Anh on September 13, 2018, 04:01:18 PM
That's right, but it's not necessarily money. It shows the value of your portfolio is reduced. But you should know that investing is a long-term business. You should invest in a certain altcoin for a long time and do not be afraid when the market goes down. If you are confident in your portfolio, you will easily succeed.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: santosummer on September 13, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
No one is out of the trend. It has dragged so long. investors and traders lose faith and hope. But that is also the time when crypto becomes the most special. The loss is unavoidable.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Taufik blackspade team on September 13, 2018, 04:37:01 PM
The truth is when the bearish market was happening, some people called these situation as a chance. They take advantage of this bad market to buy more and more. However this can't be applied to everyone. Money is limited from person to person. They want to buy, but they can't. Only some big whales was ready taking the chance. It's really disheartening, but this actually is the truth.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: 1NV3ST0NM3 on September 13, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
For those who bought or invested in the market when the price was high, then obviously this means that their investments are running in loss. But we should remember that they will not lose a single penny unless they sell their investments at a low price. Moreover a real Investor always invests on the project rather than just throwing his money on the speculation of the coin So I think it is better to hold on and wait for the market to recover. There is no need to panic as the whole market is down and not your specific coin.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Omega Weapon on September 16, 2018, 02:54:59 AM
I think only about 5% of trader possible made profit from current situation of crypto market,  and others 95% is loss loss money,  iam one of the trader that loss alof of money. But this loss can be recover when next bull market coming,  i still hold all my coin untill others bullish come,  and i pretty sure bull market is will be coming soon.
It is a good thing that you understand the realities of this market, many people seem to think that just because they are trading they're going to get money as if the money will just come out of nowhere and they're going to get rich by trading, but every single dollar that you get out of trading will come from other traders that are going to lose their money, that is why it's so hard to make money out of trading.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ipanks on September 17, 2018, 04:27:07 AM
but if that person can buy the coin at a very low price, he can still make a profit even if the market is down and this is only for people who can see this chance in a long time ago. not all people losses their money when the market is down and I am sure that there is any person that still makes the profit from the market and if you can do margin trading, you can make a short trade when the market is down so you can make a profit from the coin. but for doing margin trading, it needs high skill so you can detect where the price wants to go.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Btc Specialist on September 17, 2018, 06:10:11 AM
Not everyone losses money when the market is down.Those who are invest their money for short time or they much needed money may be they looser.But on the other hand whose who hold their bitcoin for next time when price will be high they will be gainer.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BlueStackz on September 18, 2018, 07:46:32 AM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.
The daily trade is not so easy for almost all the people who own coins. You need to be a well off person and have to have a weighted portfolio if you want to day trade. Majority of the people chose to hold their coins and simply stop trading when the market is down.

Moreover, a down market just means that the business activities are down and the portfolio is not gaining weight but the market ultimately reaches the phases of recovery and boom anyhow.



Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: aoihs00 on September 18, 2018, 08:13:40 AM
They dont loose money as long as they are not selling their coin. Remember that as long as you have 1 BTC in your hand then it stays 1 BTC all the time. If you start looking at it in terms of your local currency value then you are giving it foreign exchange rate and thus that is but obvious to go down and up in the value according to the volume of trade that is being put over it. Its better not to look at it in that way otherwise you will always see yourself in a loss.
Everyone looses dollar nomination of the bitcoin and not the real value. So if you are holding then you still got the same crypto currency and nothing else. When the market is down its more or less better opportunity to trade even more effectively as you can buy more in such situation.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Noa_Amable on September 19, 2018, 11:38:13 AM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.
The daily trade is not so easy for almost all the people who own coins. You need to be a well off person and have to have a weighted portfolio if you want to day trade. Majority of the people chose to hold their coins and simply stop trading when the market is down.

Moreover, a down market just means that the business activities are down and the portfolio is not gaining weight but the market ultimately reaches the phases of recovery and boom anyhow.




right, so low market could be just an opportunity to purchase extra coins with a good discount


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: redsun114 on September 20, 2018, 07:44:33 AM
Yes, many people have faced a lot of losses in this down market. Because almost all coin has dumped too much.For which I lost a lot of money on this bear market.
I do not think that every one loose money when the market is down. There are those who have invested long ago when the prices were lower than the current down prices.

They still have a margin of profit and can earn if they sell their coins but such people tends to keep the coins and rather wait for a market which can give them as more as possible. This is the primary quest of all the investors and should not be regarded as greed because greed is only a factor that affects rationality.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: nano77 on September 20, 2018, 10:49:40 AM
I think, not everyone loses money when the market goes down even though many of them lose money because they panic, for people who have a good strategy and they still hold the coins they have then they will not lose their money and still have the opportunity to get profit when the coin price rises again


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: KesoNie on September 20, 2018, 11:58:33 AM
I think, not everyone loses money when the market goes down even though many of them lose money because they panic, for people who have a good strategy and they still hold the coins they have then they will not lose their money and still have the opportunity to get profit when the coin price rises again
It's true that not everyone loses their money when the market is down because the fortune of your money is depend on your decisions and depend on how would you manage it wisely. The market is unpredictable but your decisions are predictable so you must be wise enough on every plan and decisions you made especially when the market is in fall.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: enogheghase123 on September 20, 2018, 12:05:43 PM
that isn't loosing money to me, that's an opportunity for new investors to enter the market, and existing investos to increase their portfolio base by way of buying more bitcoin. it is better to buy when the price is low, with an anticipation for a future rise in price.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Mr.Brown[NMC] on September 20, 2018, 03:24:52 PM
"Everyone loses money when the market is down right?"
Only believers, permabulls and people that do not know what hedging is.

They dont loose money as long as they are not selling their coin. Remember that as long as you have 1 BTC in your hand then it stays 1 BTC all the time.

This is a big mistake made very often by people that own cryptocurrencies. You don't lose money but you lose value. In december, when BTC was 20.000$ you could have bought a Ford Mondeo/Fusion with it but now with the same BTC you can barely buy a Smart. So, stop being lazy, learn TA and when you make a bad call be a man and accept it because you do not want to buy and hold in a bear market. Imagine buying BTC at 17k and still holding it (with altcoins is worse). Could you handle the pressure? Many will say that those who bought almost the TOP of each of BTC's bull markets (except the last one) made huge profits but how many of them were able the handle the pressure of a drawdown of at least 75% drawdown? Or how many of them were able to hold the coin when they were in profit for the first time after the bear market ended?



Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: henlity87 on September 22, 2018, 11:47:27 AM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.
The daily trade is not so easy for almost all the people who own coins. You need to be a well off person and have to have a weighted portfolio if you want to day trade. Majority of the people chose to hold their coins and simply stop trading when the market is down.

Moreover, a down market just means that the business activities are down and the portfolio is not gaining weight but the market ultimately reaches the phases of recovery and boom anyhow.


I think no one should sell their coins in bad market situations if there is no intense need for money or you cannot arrange money from some other sources. Selling coins without any need means losing your money by your own well. Your coins will eat nothing if you hold them for some time. the future is not so bad for bitcoin as it is today. Holding will be profitable.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Ericgreen on September 24, 2018, 06:31:55 AM
They dont loose money as long as they are not selling their coin. Remember that as long as you have 1 BTC in your hand then it stays 1 BTC all the time. If you start looking at it in terms of your local currency value then you are giving it foreign exchange rate and thus that is but obvious to go down and up in the value according to the volume of trade that is being put over it. Its better not to look at it in that way otherwise you will always see yourself in a loss.
Everyone looses dollar nomination of the bitcoin and not the real value. So if you are holding then you still got the same crypto currency and nothing else. When the market is down its more or less better opportunity to trade even more effectively as you can buy more in such situation.
Yeah you are right not selling your coins means no losing of money, but the problem is that many people are impatient or they need money for their financial problems. They are compulsive to sell their coins. To avoid this thing I always say that one should invest only extra money in cryptocurrency. Anything could be happen because it is cryptocurrency world.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: goodluck0319 on September 24, 2018, 06:36:44 AM
moments of crisis in the market are designed for those people who do not know exactly what they came to the market and what their goals are


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Rhego on September 24, 2018, 06:58:40 AM
Majority of the people lose money and this is quite disheartening in this type of market. Not everyone loses money as their are people that place short trades in the market. These people make money with it in my opinion


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Getmon on September 24, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
Not necessarily. If you consider the investors who are waiting for the down market to buy cheap coins, they are not losing anything at all. Instead, they are gaining. They are taking it as a perfect opportunity to gain more wealth. And then there are also those who were able to buy when the price was way cheaper a long time ago. And then, why lose when you are not selling them?


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: mriansa on September 24, 2018, 07:25:50 AM
I don't think it's true that some people will only experience loss and loss of assets they have if they sell assets that you have at a low price, but if you don't sell them then you can still have assets that you have and won't lose your assets.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: SirLancelot on September 25, 2018, 05:41:19 AM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.
The daily trade is not so easy for almost all the people who own coins. You need to be a well off person and have to have a weighted portfolio if you want to day trade. Majority of the people chose to hold their coins and simply stop trading when the market is down.

Moreover, a down market just means that the business activities are down and the portfolio is not gaining weight but the market ultimately reaches the phases of recovery and boom anyhow.




right, so low market could be just an opportunity to purchase extra coins with a good discount
I understand the logic behind investing the money in the cryptocurrency when the market is down but investing the money is actually influenced by some qualities of the asset in question and when the values are down, they tend not to stay stable and rather unstable.

This instability in the market prices is something that is not desired by the investors. But since the crypto currencies like Bitcoin and ETH have a good history, they still invest in it hoping for the high future profits.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ubercool on September 25, 2018, 06:38:09 AM
Not exactly. We can do leverage trading and earn from falling market. Its not that easy and very risky in terms of losing all your money at once. So I would suggest not to do it. Try to hold until the price gets back up.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Omega Weapon on September 25, 2018, 08:46:05 PM
Not everyone losses money when the market is down.Those who are invest their money for short time or they much needed money may be they looser.But on the other hand whose who hold their bitcoin for next time when price will be high they will be gainer.
You can always short the market, that way you will earn a lot of money when the market is going down, but as you may guess doing something as that is very dangerous especially in a market like bitcoin where the price has a tendency to skyrocket, there have been cases of people that lost everything because they were shorting bitcoin at the wrong time.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: InvestICO2L on October 23, 2018, 02:03:59 PM
but if that person can buy the coin at a very low price, he can still make a profit even if the market is down and this is only for people who can see this chance in a long time ago. not all people losses their money when the market is down and I am sure that there is any person that still makes the profit from the market and if you can do margin trading, you can make a short trade when the market is down so you can make a profit from the coin. but for doing margin trading, it needs high skill so you can detect where the price wants to go.

Yep, I kind off agree with you guy. Probably those who has taken advantage on market and bought some coin with a low price, he maybe have more likely to lose a little or they can get a good profit when the market is down. Everyone has their own strategy which can help them to manage and then reap a benefit in crutch time. If one has a wealth of knowledge, experience as well as skill, plus a little luck, he perhaps get some record in any fluctuation.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Panchum on October 23, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Yes everyone loses money while down market especially like bounty hunters like me that only hoping for the payment to provide the needs of family.lts like l dont have chance anymore to live if the market is drop.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: GREATLOVE on October 23, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
Everyone losses money when the market is down . yes this is the big problem of trader but you can buy if the price is down then wait for the price pump then sell it to make profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: letecia012 on October 24, 2018, 09:47:18 PM
Not all traders losses money when market is down. it would depend on your entry price how to earn or loss money. if you have patience to find a good entry price when market is down and sold it when it slightly rebound then you are not losing money your still earning profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: sinkfish on October 25, 2018, 07:17:28 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

in general, majority will loose. in bear time, looser will loose more, in bull time looser will loose lesser. winner always win.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Bonsaiav on October 25, 2018, 10:32:54 AM
If they were willing to be patient for a moment and wait until there was an increase, I guess they could completely avoid losing. However, the decline in prices that occur so long has made them unable to control their emotions and often make wrong decisions. They seem to be carried away by the flow of their own feelings that the price of bitcoin will fall even deeper.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: MRY on October 25, 2018, 11:48:00 AM
I don't think so, not everyone is losing their money when the market goes down because everyone has their own way to survive and overcome current market conditions, because I see many who take this opportunity to get profit


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Caelanpelley on October 25, 2018, 12:11:03 PM
Right! Most of us lose money when the market drops. I lost a lot of money. I have been investing bitcoin for a few years now, I keep some bitcoin and now the bitcoin price drops. I lost more than half compared to the first. Until now I have not sold and have not recovered capital.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Dontme on October 25, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
Yeah ofcourse as long as this will continue all of us experienced losses in our coins except those who lucky enough to cashout their assets and turn in dollars accenditally. lol hope there will be.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: dat.ho12492 on October 25, 2018, 01:12:58 PM
I don't think so, not everyone is losing their money when the market goes down because everyone has their own way to survive and overcome current market conditions, because I see many who take this opportunity to get profit
Agreed that everyone has their own method and experience to survive in this market but when the market falls, this is always something very unexpected, not too many people can react to it, and so I believe most people lose money. The case without losing money is just some lucky ones and whales, and as you say, this is an opportunity to make a profit, but in reality, our money is in trouble and forced to hold, not too many people can take advantage of this opportunity, the market is always under control and beyond our knowledge


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: emberbekas on October 25, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
I don't think so, not everyone is losing their money when the market goes down because everyone has their own way to survive and overcome current market conditions, because I see many who take this opportunity to get profit
Agreed that everyone has their own method and experience to survive in this market but when the market falls, this is always something very unexpected, not too many people can react to it, and so I believe most people lose money. The case without losing money is just some lucky ones and whales, and as you say, this is an opportunity to make a profit, but in reality, our money is in trouble and forced to hold, not too many people can take advantage of this opportunity, the market is always under control and beyond our knowledge

Only people who buy coins while the price is high from today and still hold it until now who will suffer from the downtrend. But to try to cover up the previous decision, we can buy again at the current price and hold it for a period of time. At least we will have the opportunity if one day prices will rise again.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: gandalfar on October 25, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
Only sellers in a down market or panic sellers are main cause of their loss money. While the market go down, many people can make profit. When price begin to increase who lose money feel bored for selling so sooner.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: carlisle1 on October 25, 2018, 02:53:44 PM
Lol those who losses money in time of downtrend are the people who has a weaker personality for the simple reason of selling their coins when the value is down

Why not just hold because the volume of our coins doesnt change in the dip market it was just the value has change.so in recovery time then the value will grow again if we can afford to hold longer


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: kkaroul4 on October 25, 2018, 02:58:43 PM
Only sellers in a down market or panic sellers are main cause of their loss money. While the market go down, many people can make profit. When price begin to increase who lose money feel bored for selling so sooner.
absolutely right and a lot of panicked sellers who lost their money and suffered losses because surely the panicked seller was still a beginner and did not know about how to deal with a broken market condition again, so if my advice so that no more loss is better be patient and continue to wait until the market has stabilized and the coin that you hold has a new increase you can sell so you can get a profit


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Wodomi on October 26, 2018, 02:24:33 AM
I don't think so, not everyone is losing their money when the market goes down because everyone has their own way to survive and overcome current market conditions, because I see many who take this opportunity to get profit
Because bitcoin prices are dynamic, falling prices are also an opportunity. Speculators are always waiting for prices to fall, because they have the opportunity to buy bitcoin. Wait for prices to rise as desired, then sell while calculating profits.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: gurupauts on October 26, 2018, 10:49:30 AM
yeah ... I made a mistake, I panicked when the price of bitcoin decreased, I sold the bitcoin that I had when the price was low and now I can only regret it and I have lost my money more than half that I invested.. :'(


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Haxor321 on October 26, 2018, 10:54:38 AM
Not everyone loses money in decreasing market because there are some ways to make money like margin trading probably.

Yepp. Not all people loses money. They lose money if they didn't know how to handle it properly like when they don't consider the market price. But ofcourse a wise and knowledgeable trader is know how to margin trading like setting some limits and cautions in trading when the market is on los state. They consider the situation not the profits or earnings.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Jateng on October 26, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Yes I think everyone loses money when the market crashes but some people are wise enough to stop losing money and still gain even though the market is down so they easily get back the money. We must also be like them, we all know that it is always fly to the moon, we cannot avoid the crash and we cannot let that everytime there is crash we will just lose money so we must learn how to overcome it.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ajaymukund on October 26, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
That's right, whoever loses money when the market goes down. We are talking to investors or speculators. They suffered a sudden loss when the market suddenly fell sharply. But believe me, the Crypto market will definitely recover in the future and great rewards are always for those who have the patience!


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: riskarcher on October 26, 2018, 04:36:42 PM
I don't really think about what will happen to the market because the crypto currency base is not static. never feel like a failure with the present situation. we also know sooner or later the market will be normal and keep in mind the risk that every investment will always be there remain calm in any market situation


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: stefany101 on October 27, 2018, 01:36:15 AM
People who lost money because the prices of coins in markets are dropping , is simply those people who have the funds before this situation happens, their funds almost doubled or multiple in decrease due to the drop of major coins in the crypto market. Not all people lose some funds, there are still other people who take advantage this situation to make profits, some buy in this dip and patiently holding their coins for now.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Kidmat on October 27, 2018, 04:25:36 AM
You are totally losing money when price drops you sell even no profit gains. Those who sell during down trend are losers and dont believe on the crypto they invest. So think many times before selling your coins.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: S4VV4S on October 27, 2018, 04:57:53 AM
You are totally losing money when price drops you sell even no profit gains. Those who sell during down trend are losers and dont believe on the crypto they invest. So think many times before selling your coins.
No, I don't think if everyone loses money when the market is down, we can sell it (Cut loss) at that price,
but buy back when the price very down again. Cut loss is very important thing in the world of Trading.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: deppil on October 27, 2018, 05:11:39 AM
Right! Most of us lose money when the market drops. I lost a lot of money. I have been investing bitcoin for a few years now, I keep some bitcoin and now the bitcoin price drops. I lost more than half compared to the first. Until now I have not sold and have not recovered capital.
as long as you haven't sold it yet. then you have not lost anything dude. Don't look at your estimated balance at this time because it will only make you panic and fear. if you believe the coins you buy still have the potential to recover. then be patient and hold it. the price is not always in below position right?


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ongkok87 on October 27, 2018, 07:01:43 AM
right. because there has been a lot of loss when the market has experienced a drastic decline, and what causes the loss is that when the sword has begun to panic it is certainly a sign of loss. whereas if you all want to be patient waiting for sure you can avoid losses and will benefit too


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: mald1to on October 27, 2018, 07:37:43 AM
I do not really think everyone is losing money when market is down. There are those professional traders who can still manage to make profits with sinking market. I don't know how they do it but they are very good at it.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: wendiar19 on October 27, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
when the price conditions at the exchange place fall I don't think that will make their money disappear as long as they don't sell it at a cheap price, but if he sells at a cheap price then certainly the assets they have are reduced and certainly will only get losses.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Secionz on October 27, 2018, 10:35:27 AM
but if that person can buy the coin at a very low price, he can still make a profit even if the market is down and this is only for people who can see this chance in a long time ago. not all people losses their money when the market is down and I am sure that there is any person that still makes the profit from the market and if you can do margin trading, you can make a short trade when the market is down so you can make a profit from the coin. but for doing margin trading, it needs high skill so you can detect where the price wants to go.

Yep, I kind off agree with you guy. Probably those who has taken advantage on market and bought some coin with a low price, he maybe have more likely to lose a little or they can get a good profit when the market is down. Everyone has their own strategy which can help them to manage and then reap a benefit in crutch time. If one has a wealth of knowledge, experience as well as skill, plus a little luck, he perhaps get some record in any fluctuation.
Yes that is right that we should try to trade bitcoin when the market is down , but I think that even if a person have bought bitcoin in high price and the price comes down, he should try to hold their bitcoin for some time and when the market recover should sell it, through this way he can prevent himself from a big lost.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: biletskiy on October 28, 2018, 02:20:39 PM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.
The daily trade is not so easy for almost all the people who own coins. You need to be a well off person and have to have a weighted portfolio if you want to day trade. Majority of the people chose to hold their coins and simply stop trading when the market is down.

Moreover, a down market just means that the business activities are down and the portfolio is not gaining weight but the market ultimately reaches the phases of recovery and boom anyhow.




right, so low market could be just an opportunity to purchase extra coins with a good discount

True - use this down period for investing in the tokens that deserve your attention. Do not sell the altcoins which you hold. Buy some promising cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: RokokGudangGaram on October 28, 2018, 06:23:11 PM
Most of coin holders - yes, they do loose money when market falls but there are still a number of people who manage to earn profits in such conditions by daily trading.
The daily trade is not so easy for almost all the people who own coins. You need to be a well off person and have to have a weighted portfolio if you want to day trade. Majority of the people chose to hold their coins and simply stop trading when the market is down.

Moreover, a down market just means that the business activities are down and the portfolio is not gaining weight but the market ultimately reaches the phases of recovery and boom anyhow.




right, so low market could be just an opportunity to purchase extra coins with a good discount

True - use this down period for investing in the tokens that deserve your attention. Do not sell the altcoins which you hold. Buy some promising cryptocurrencies.
because all this while while the market has not stabilized there have been a lot of traders who suffered losses because he panicked that the coins he held would not increase again, even though if he wanted to be patient to wait then surely he would not suffer losses and of course he would benefit


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Ninellechka on October 28, 2018, 07:14:35 PM
When there's someone losing, there's always someone who's winning :) Anyway there are still opportunities to get some profit even in this bear market. Learn more about trading. Work out your own strategy and may be you'll be lucky to get daily profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Sawadekub on October 28, 2018, 07:26:13 PM
No, not everyone loses money when the market falls. Many successfully earn on this. Especially those who provoke this fall ;D.
But even ordinary traders can earn. The main thing is to build your strategy in such a way as to be ready for any market situation.
Personally, I always have a part of my investment in USDT, so when the price drops, I buy, and when the price rises, I sell accordingly. In calculating the future price, I use technical analysis and my awareness of the latest news. Therefore, I, like many other traders, earn even in a falling market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Lorin on October 28, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
If you learn and have enough knowledge before going into trading the chance of loosing is very low. Specially if you hold a coin that has a  future. If you have a good stategy maybe you will earn a good profit. Numbers who become successful are the one who are wait patiently.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: cryptoalfs76 on October 28, 2018, 09:42:11 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.


yeah diffinetly thats true thats everythings turns to looses money when market is down or everythings are still struggle on gaining a good profit,because its a boomerang to the people or investor into this world of crypto now,otherwise doing investment trading there are times you can gain better,but most probably now 95% are loosing.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: @Mhaiang on October 28, 2018, 10:18:29 PM
Absolutely right, everyone loses money when the market is down. Much even more for those who got panicked and sell their cryptos without thinking that its price will come back again soon.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: enawati on October 29, 2018, 02:03:16 AM
Not everyone, only trader who not greedy and not FOMO that make alot of profit. They already have risk management and trading plan, when they know crypto market turn in to bearish, they will move their fund to anothers asset.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rollingstorm45 on October 29, 2018, 03:41:59 AM
Absolutely right, everyone loses money when the market is down. Much even more for those who got panicked and sell their cryptos without thinking that its price will come back again soon.

the most important thing is how to keep earning profits in a year, it's not easy to keep assets that continue to decline, the best logic is to continue trading from several altcoins that can still make small profits.

I also experienced panic, but I did not stay silent because I did not want to worsen the financial condition. Maybe there are many people like me, especially experienced traders.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: KenChanYu on October 29, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
Absolutely right, everyone loses money when the market is down. Much even more for those who got panicked and sell their cryptos without thinking that its price will come back again soon.

the most important thing is how to keep earning profits in a year, it's not easy to keep assets that continue to decline, the best logic is to continue trading from several altcoins that can still make small profits.

I also experienced panic, but I did not stay silent because I did not want to worsen the financial condition. Maybe there are many people like me, especially experienced traders.


   As we explore the world of currencies, we encountered diiferent experience individually, particularly on trading. But we have diiferent perspection dealing this kind of situation, sort of presense of knowledge percieving the supposed consequences on making mistakes. We should have enough wisdom to create our own deliberations to evade the fact of losing money on market downtrend.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jony35490 on October 29, 2018, 09:45:35 AM
I do not know if everyone has lost some of their capital, at this bear market situation. But some of my friends and I have had quite a lot of losses. But hopefully we can recover this loss in future.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Itcher on October 29, 2018, 10:39:30 AM
If someone loses, then someone earns and Vice versa, remember this. This is how this market works. If you lose it means you have not calculated everything correctly


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: escalante28 on October 29, 2018, 01:32:03 PM
It really  depends in your strategy. If you buy and hold I think it's  not a good idea during bearish market.  Base in my own experiences bearish market is good in scalping  trading but you have to choose the right  altcoins.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: breathlessz on October 29, 2018, 01:38:14 PM
If someone loses, then someone earns and Vice versa, remember this. This is how this market works. If you lose it means you have not calculated everything correctly
i think in this market, if prices go down, it means that the kit assets will also decrease if converted to fiat currency. as long as we don't convert to fiat currency, we don't lose our coins, because the amount remains the same


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Jackblack90909 on October 29, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
I think this is right, because when the market is down almost all the crypto prices decrease and as a result, the crypto traders, holders lose money. The number of coins/tokens which have a stable or increasing price during the red market is really limited.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: djkyno on October 29, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
I think most traders and holders lose money during this red market. The actual prices are too low and the whole market isn't really motivating many people to start buying cryptocurrencies or holding them. We need waiting at least a few months until the prices start to increase again.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Pattart on October 29, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
when the price conditions at the exchange place fall I don't think that will make their money disappear as long as they don't sell it at a cheap price, but if he sells at a cheap price then certainly the assets they have are reduced and certainly will only get losses.
Good logic, you will not lose anything as long as you still hold your assets and do not sell them when prices go down.
after all, not always weakening prices is a loss, people profit because they buy at a cheap price right? so use any price conditions..


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: musdafakfl on October 29, 2018, 03:35:24 PM
When the market enters a period of decline, not everyone loses money, only amateur investors lose money. Personally, I get more revenue during the period when the market is in a downward trend, because amateur investors make a lot of mistakes in this period and sells at low price. For that reason, we will lose money when there is a downward trend, aside from the fact that we will earn more money.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: gamalzour on October 30, 2018, 06:53:13 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
Yeah ofcourse as long as this will continue all of us experienced losses in our coins except those who lucky enough to cashout their assets and turn in dollars accenditally. lol hope there will be.
This is not about the loss that you face when the market drops. This is about the loss that you are agreed to make despite knowing that the market is down and you go for sale. So the answer to that is that not all the people lose money when the market is down. There is a concept of holding the assets when the market is red. This helps save the money that could go in waste upon making an attempt to trade or anything like that.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ShortClixneoai on October 30, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Only sellers in a down market or panic sellers are main cause of their loss money. While the market go down, many people can make profit. When price begin to increase who lose money feel bored for selling so sooner.
To me I am not agree with the statement, to me it think that only those people loses money, who sell their coins in low price, but those people who will continue holding their currencies I am sure that a time will come the price will recover and it will surely recover their lost.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Adriano2010 on October 30, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
No. The most people lose money when market is down, but some make money by margin, trading, by staking coins that offer that and masternodes rewards, and also miners can make money when market is down if the price is enough to have a profit after pay electricity. Also some people will not lose money because if they bought lower a coin than is when price goes down they can sell in profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: d1ceplayer on October 31, 2018, 07:31:34 AM
yeah ... I made a mistake, I panicked when the price of bitcoin decreased, I sold the bitcoin that I had when the price was low and now I can only regret it and I have lost my money more than half that I invested.. :'(
There are some golden rules of doing trade and investment. We all, it doesnít matter which level we are standing at, must adhere to this rule. Sometimes panic is natural, but we must keep our minds sharp and stable. In other case, you could be losing the control and being panicked you would be making big losses to your investment. Hence, be determined in negative times.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Shutup on October 31, 2018, 07:35:38 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Yes ofcourse we loses money when market is down.We can't even get our salary that we expect for the needs of our family.It's really difficult to expect now but there's another day in every night to come which gives us hope for the future.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Visteryy on October 31, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
Yes, that's for sure, because when the market is down I find everyone is scared and there's me, me too, and I'm afraid of losing so much capital, so I'm still patiently holding on. Hold and wait for the recovery of the market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: anume123 on November 01, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
For investors that they hold altcoins for a long-term for sure they lost a big money for them as the market prices going down they gonna sell it at low price.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Hustinog on November 01, 2018, 03:58:47 AM
Well I guess not everyone lose money whenever the market is down because there are some ways to prevent a 'profit loss'. This might be a big deal when we talks about trading because others transacts everyday, weekly or lets just say they earn they profit in a short period of time. They are the one who will be affected in the drop. But if you do holding, you can avoid loss because time is the key in your profit. Ofcourse you will not sell if you think that you will lose. It varies if you really in-need.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Muzika on November 01, 2018, 04:14:40 AM
it is depends on the vision you have if you want to invest this is the best time to invest while if you want to do trading and then the market moves in downward direction then you will be able to lose money for an instant so be wise on the market movement because you really need to adapt the market condition for you to be able to earn whatever the market condition is.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: jojowar on November 01, 2018, 05:56:09 AM
Not everybody loses money when the market is down because there is a good opportunity to buy good coins when their value drops down then wait until their prices goes up.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Iceblast on November 01, 2018, 07:17:21 AM
not all but most experience loss of money when the market goes down, this is a possible thing, but if the cycle of market movements to a high position may be many people will receive back their lost money and turn into a profit.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Little_king on November 01, 2018, 08:49:33 AM
Not everyone lost money during the dip , the most experience one make huge some of money cause they sold their coins at the top and buy back now that is very low to have some huge amount of the token and more value in dollars , we that loss are the new comer and the holder who believe so much in holding no matter what but I believe there is always a time to buy and sell .


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: heninur on November 02, 2018, 11:33:07 AM
actually not everyone, but more precisely is that most people lose money when prices decline, because all the assets of their coins also decrease.
but the decline in the price of coins can be a good thing for investors, because there is a time for them to buy coins at cheap prices, and hold them until the price is high.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: conected on November 02, 2018, 12:37:28 PM
actually not everyone, but more precisely is that most people lose money when prices decline, because all the assets of their coins also decrease.
but the decline in the price of coins can be a good thing for investors, because there is a time for them to buy coins at cheap prices, and hold them until the price is high.
- Of course not everyone, the one who can get rid of this situation is probably the whale group, they know that the down market will come and they quickly withdrew from this market, and only us, traders and investors became victims. We all lose money but at least as you say, this is also an opportunity to buy altcoin at low cost and achieve high returns with recovery, and the professional traders do it very well, they have completely recovered and lived comfortably with this storm while others, traders and inexperienced investors, they are making mistakes and sinking in this market.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: Johnzky on November 02, 2018, 02:53:41 PM
We will only lose the value if we go sell all of then,so this means those who holds their coin remains not losing right?
So who are those EVERYONE you says  loses when the market is down
Like me,i never sell cryptocurrency whenever the market deeping so i am not part of those losing


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: turkandjaydee on November 02, 2018, 04:16:03 PM
For investors that they hold altcoins for a long-term for sure they lost a big money for them as the market prices going down they gonna sell it at low price.
Well thats why every people should learn how to cut loss and buyback at a lower price. Even if you invest for a long-term (years) , you still have to keep an eye on your investment.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: lavara on November 02, 2018, 08:40:00 PM
Such a thought about the loss on the course: if someone loses, then someone earned - right? It is very necessary to understand well that this is not a lottery with a win of 50% -50%. There are much less chances here. but this is at the beginning - when you will be good at it you can quickly pay for everything.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: ocid on November 02, 2018, 11:49:18 PM
it is depends on the vision you have if you want to invest this is the best time to invest while if you want to do trading and then the market moves in downward direction then you will be able to lose money for an instant so be wise on the market movement because you really need to adapt the market condition for you to be able to earn whatever the market condition is.
yes, it all depends of course on the actions we take in the face of the current market situation, if we want to profit quickly select the potential types of coins that always experience price changes, by doing short-term trading to get a little profit but need a lot of time in order to minimize the risk of loss


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: KGBx on November 03, 2018, 12:06:10 AM
Not everybody, some traders still manage to generate good incomes, everything is about information and strategy, try to overcome your difficulties.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: nebiki on November 03, 2018, 01:02:14 AM
Not everybody, some traders still manage to generate good incomes, everything is about information and strategy, try to overcome your difficulties.
yes you are right, only people who have good strategies can benefit when the market goes down. most people are careless in overcoming difficulties so that panic and loss hit them.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: BoitCoinZen on November 08, 2018, 10:55:55 AM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
There are lots of traders that are still making money at this time and there are also people who are not, because they donít understand what to do at this time. Itís quite difficult to make money at this time, so some traders make use of marginal trading. If you canít trade now you can leave it and just Hodl your money and wait for when there will be a Ďbubbleí, you can then get back and trade. So the answer is yes, people do make money this time but itís difficult.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: giarised on November 09, 2018, 12:09:12 PM
Yes, that's for sure, because when the market is down I find everyone is scared and there's me, me too, and I'm afraid of losing so much capital, so I'm still patiently holding on. Hold and wait for the recovery of the market.
Yes thatís the best thing to do when you canít trade anytime the market price drops. Some people always force themselves to trade and lose money in it.

Iím also doing the same thing right now, just Hodlíing and waiting for when the price will go back up, although Iím seeing a lot of people still trade now. I donít know how long it will take the market to recover this time around, but the way Iím seeing itís probably going to take a long time and itís not going to be this year.


Title: Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right?
Post by: rachellee on November 09, 2018, 12:46:30 PM
In the loose sense, yes, it may seem that everyone's losing money when the market's down. But if you'll really think about it, not all losses that people are complaining about are real loss; it's more of unrealistic losses. Yes, many people lost, but they only lost when they sold, 'coz they bought the token or coin at a high price and suddenly it crashed. They can't afford anymore to gamble to wait for any possibility of recovery.