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Selfish Bitcoin holders

I have been trying to drum up some support from the community to help launch the first bitcoin flag into space. I was even offering free advertisement space to people who donate. I have not received 1 donation to support Bitcoin flag going to space. Bitcoin needs positive news in the media to make the prices rise again. As a Bitcoin holder it is in my best interest to create positive PR in the media to help surge Bitcoin popularity and prices. I have spent many Bitcoins on parts, Cameras, Material needed for the mission to launch bitcoin flag into space but not one person has found it in them to help. Are we just a selfish bitcoin community consumed by greed has no idea or care about the greater good? This is not what Satoshi had in mind for us to turn into the greedy banker types. I ask you one last time .Support the mission to take the FIRST Bitcoin Flag into SPACE. Donate please  1HNNi6EPCxRsHUpGESZXoFr9qpWqiLeY8L

Mission to take the FIRST Bitcoin Flag into SPACE
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441303.0



I am no trying o be an A$$hole i just want to do something EPIC for Bitcoin and you the Bitcoin community

wow crickets . We all want to freak out when the prices crash but i am he only one who will take steps to bring bitcoin to the masses

* yawn *

Have you tried reaching out to bitcoin related businesses ?  Coinbase,  Coindesk, BTC-E, Lets Talk Bitcoin,  Bitcoin gambling sites,  etc etc ?   You might have some progress on that front if you haven't done so already. Companies are probably a lot more interested in advertising space than random bitcoin users.

Although this project sounds cool, it's not something i'm personally interested in. Maybe others are in the same boat and that could be a reason for the lack of donations.

It does raise the question though if bitcoin is quickly becoming a thing people "hoard" instead of spend/use. It's topic that comes up constantly when talking about a currency that is deflationary.

if we don't take action you will be yawning yourself to Bitcoin value to $20 usd .

How about not over reaching and attributing the lack of success to gready "holders"?  Plenty of companies have sold plenty of goods for Bitcoins.  The same goes to charities.   Take a look at Sean's Outpost.

The fact that you have raised exactly zero speaks more to your venture.  I never donated because the proposal was light on details and I doubted your ability to pull it off.  At this point your rant against evil greedy bitcoin holders ... well my interest is exactly 0.

thank you so much for your advice. I have reached out but seems like no one cares .I want is to do something epic for Bitcoin. It has done so much for me and i would like to give something back. When i launch the bitcoin flag into space it will create a international BUZZ that will show the world bitcoin is much more than anyone could have imagined. Prices will rise back and we will gain new Bitcoin Brothers and sisters by the millions

Please Educate me!!! I am not being sarcastic. If I am doing something wrong tell me how to do it right. As long as the mission gets accomplished I will swallow my pride and listen and do whatever it takes to launch the flag into space.  If you have the time please tell me what I need to do?
You seem to have been around this community for a while and I trust in your counsel and wisdom

If I may offer you a bit of constructive criticism...

1: You website is amateurish at best.  Bitcoiners see a website like that and they think great, another scam.  I not saying you have to change your website.  I'm saying you'll have to work harder to convince us you are legit.

2: Calling us all greedy bankers will not win you any brownie points here, my friend.  Don't try to guilt us into supporting your cause.

3: You don't have any basic information front and center describing you project.  Who are you? How is it possible you can get something into space? Do you have contacts at NASA or something? How does it work? Are you building your own rocket? Where are you launching from?  Do you have a permit? Are the cops going to shut you down?  Are you going to burn your house down with this? Are you going to burn MY HOUSE down with this? etc.   Some basic info about what you are trying to do would go a long way towards generating support.

Maybe because of this:


And the few others saying the same?

If we are, I plan to be a kind and gentle ruler.  

-B-

If I don't donate USD or bitcoin to some charity or project, they will declare me a greedy holder?
If I chose to donate or not is my choice. Now, you can be sure that I'll redirect everyone away from your project.
Regards,

~LM

First find a trustable member of the community to collect the funds for your project.
That would stop people saying it's a scam. I myself consider your project a scam  to this point.

i ASKED a question . "Are are now the evil greedy bankers of the future?" I did not stat "we are now the evil greedy bankers of the future"

send a flag to space.
because all passing trade will know that, we on earth accept bitcoin and they will stop off on their travels for a mocha-latte.
what a crap idea dude.

Thank you for your time to educating me. It means a lot to me when people take the time to share knowledge. I will update information. I outlined all of the information in the main thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441303.0  

We will be using Weather balloons so no worries about legality . Weather balloons are launched all the time . The total weight of the craft will be 1-5 pounds .

OP:

1)  The venture you're offering seems (please don't take offense) kind of cheesy.  To those not in the tech world, all they will see is "Big Bang Theory" cast member / ComiCon enthusiast nerdyness.  Especially with the whole "Bitcoin Space Federation".  Its really important that you are aware of your audience if you want to drum up enthusiasm and support for something.  You're marketing to a miniscule demographic.  

2)  I don't see how putting a flag in space is going to be "something epic" for Bitcoin.  It meets no need.  It does nothing to make the non-Bitcoin person's life easier.  Therefore it will not increase demand for Bitcoin.  Therefore it will not (by definition) do anything to make the price go up.  The vast majority of people out there will roll their eyes and think of it as a silly endeavour that has no purpose.  You might get a couple mentions in a couple articles, at best. If you want to do something "epic" for bitcoin, find a functional need in the infrastructure and start a business that provides for it.

3)  What's it going to do when it gets there?  Orbit earth, wadded up like a paper ball along with the other 100,000 bits of space junk?  At least the company planning to launch a blockchain node into space is meeting an important need for redundancy and security.  Maybe you can email those guys and slap your flag on the side of the thing.

-B-

i like the idea, but perhaps in like 5 years once and if some of us get really wealthy. Which has yet to occur.

I would like to open a 'branch' kind of like a bank, basically an office space perhaps across the street from a major branch like Bank of America, the store would be called BITCOIN.. It would operate as a nonprofit, funded by the bitcoin community. Now if anyone driving by or coming to/from the bank, has any questions regarding the many things people need to know about bitcoin, I can sit there with them on a computer that I supply, I show them how to operate coinbase, blockchain, BTC client, how to safely store bitcoins, And the goal in mind is get encourage most who come by why it is a wise idea for them to go home on their computer and buy some bitcoin. Making me NOT a money service business making it completely legal as nothing is bought or sold under my roof, however the longer term affects of people going out and buy 1 of 13million bitcoin will RAISE the price!

Kind of how I want to open a marijuana store in a non legal state, call the store "Marijuana" so the city and every one can get their panties in a bunch, advertise free marijuana, to create a buzz, get the police, dea, who ever stopping by searching for all the marijuana that does not exist, and use the space, and the people stopping by as a way to educate people how a dispensary looks, functions, etc. Educating the people first is the most powerful thing people can do to help their neighbor.

Let the town get into an uproar over the name marijuana have parents pissing their pants, whilst others are stopping by showing their support, police would get upset because no laws are being broken, the city would attempt to close me down, but free speech and the lack of illegal substances on premise would leave them with no ammo..

Yes I'm an evil greedy banker. Hopefully your scam project dies. Enjoy.

Thank you for you time spend educating me.  I outlined the details in the main  ANN thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441303.0

This mission is the first we are doing . Next i would like to see a Bitcoin Satellite that broadcasts the block chain from space. The important of his flag launch is to create global buzz. I will get millions of YouTube his and most likely get seen in the major news stations. We have been getting a lot of negative PR from the news lately about bicoin. I aim to change that by flooding the news with positive NEWS about bitcoin

Hope I did not offend you. That was not my intention. You are a part of bitcoin thus my brother or sister in crypto. If you were offended I am truly sorry

Greedy? I think you're in the middle of price crisis right now. The price of BTC/LTC has dropped big time and you're asking for free donation? You might have to wait until we all are comfortably good with the way BTC/LTC prices are going and that might not happen for a while or for a long time.  :-\

It's a start.  Now tell us about you.  Who are you?  What is your experience with weather balloons?  Have you ever launched before?  Do you work with this tech everyday, or is it a hobby? Where do you launch from? How high will the balloon reach?  Is it tethered? or free floating? How will you retrieve the balloon? How much will it cost? Do you have contingencies if something goes wrong?

etc, etc

You need to spell out a good plan and details, details, details!  You are trying to accomplish an engineering feat therefore you have to prove to us that you have a detailed plan that has a chance of succeeding that a mere layman can't tear apart in 30 seconds.

If you're using weather balloons, why don't you just do it this afternoon?

I don't know how much one costs, but buy a weather balloon, slap a shitty iPhone 3 onto it for filming, and launch it into space tomorrow morning.

There are tons of youtube videos of people screwing around, sending things into space.  Its really not that hard using this method.

And it will garner about as much interest as the effort required to do it.

-B-

Awesome Ideas !!!! You are why bitcoin is awesome . You want to share information for Free by setting up a Bitcoin info center. You would Sacrifice your time to help build a better bitcoin  world. That’s awesome. When you open this center please PM me and I would happily donate to your cause

Fantastic!! i will start writing up the details NOW and post them to the info thread and website. Thank you again for your advice .You have been so helpful .I would like to show my appreciation by giving you a AD spot. Please send me a logo or anything you would like added to the craft that takes the flag to space. Send the Image/Logo to support@bitcoinsniper.com or just send it here or PM

The idea that we have to create positive news to rocket bitcoin to the moon (pun intended) is counter-intuitive to letting bitcoin generate its own success through the improvements that it generates for its users.

we don't need PR gimmicks, Bitcoin will appreciate in time on its own.

Yes and no.
You are kind of pushing us into donating towards your project. Why not push us into someone else's project?

It is much more complex than that. We will be live streaming the entire mission .We will have 6 HD cams capturing the Event. We will be controlling the accent and decent with thrusters. Much Much more than just letting go of a balloon with a camera on it. To be 100% in control of the Mission we need to have the advanced thruster capabilities. So we can control accent and decent. We need the live streaming video so the world can take part of the Mission.

We are under attack with bad PR just look at Bitcoin news and see how it has crashed BTC prices . If we do not counter the Smear campaigns we will lose all value in the end. Keep in mind the value of BTC is given by the people if there is no more people BTC has no value. We need to create more BTC users to counter the people who are dumbing and getting out of it

please do no take offence to this thread. I am just getting frustrated carrying the weight of this mission by myself

How do you expect to get the weather balloon up high enough with the payload you describe? I don't think gravity is being taken into consideration here!

Livestreaming a flag on a balloon. Hmm, what else is on TV?

What is advanced thruster capabilities? Are we talking about electromagnetic propulsion systems. If so count me in.

If you launch it over the border from South Korea into North Korea, I might pitch in.

If we do that, the detractors will just complain about us spewing excess rocket fuel polution into the atmosphere, and adding to the growing collection of space junk.
Would be tragic if that bitcoin flag ended up piercing and breaking the ISS, too.

i dont have to wait for the future because i am already my very own greedy central bank now ..

there you have it folks.

Im sure there was a time when there weren't any selfish, greedy little fucks everywhere.  I'd donate but it would be so little :)  Put a dogecoin address.  (yeah that will piss people off too.....)

geeks are greedy

Sorry but I will not be making a donation to someone I do not know to get a bitcoin flag in space. If Gabe were trying to raise the funds, sure.

Escrow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0;all) or die.

It wont stay in space . It will go up then come down. It will be in space for 30-60 seconds.

Quoted for clarity

I don't understand

Use escrow for accepted donations since you haven't established a reputation yet.

I'm starting to believe you have no idea what you're wanting to do.

Then what's the point? Jeff Garzik wants to put a cube sat with a bitcoin node in space, to stay there almost permanently. Why do we need a flat up there for about a minute?

I am just trying to create some global buzz. Get people excited about Bitcoin. Bring new users to Bitcoin. Give people good news about Bitcoin instead of the  FUD News that has been coming out lately .

We are also working in that direction . Why not have two. Two is always better than one. Just in case one SAT goes down. The global Bitcoin community will have a fail safe

Your is designed to stay there for 30 seconds.  At least in your mind. How do you think is is a back-up for Garzik plan?

Rich people burning money (almost literally if one uses a rocket motor.)  I mean, who ever heard of such a thing?

For my part I am vastly more impressed with effort which actually help people, and especially those with no strings attached.  And yes, I've personally been fairly generous in this respect and expect to be so in the future if Bitcoin continues to be viable.

Not speaking of any users directly but This is why bitcoin prices are falling people come here to the forum for help and wanting to work with other people to advance the greatness of bitcoin . What they are met with is sarcasm and criticism instead of people saying “hey man” let’s get this done” . If bitcoin fails it’s because the people failed to do what was necessary for advancement of bitcoin. Seems like holders of bicoin are perfectly ok with just holding their bicoins and praying, crossing their fingers. Just hoping bitcoin makes it through another year. People give Bitcoin value and power. Without people bitcoin is just tiny little .dat file. I am trying to bring more people to bitcoin on a global scale thus increasing bitcoin prices.

You know what keep your money and i will just try to swing the cost by myself "just going to take longer "and the only logos that will be on the craft to space is bitcoin , my website , breast cancer , cancer research, and a couple more GREAT cause logos

Since when can FUD be positive or negative?
Good luck anyways.

I don't think this "cause" will advance bitcoin in the slightest. I apologize if my opinion somehow offends you.

I don't want to post a purely negative response without providing something constructive so...

If, for example, you started an information campaign aimed at helping new Bitcoin users properly secure their coins (teaching them about cold storage, offline wallets, etc.), I would be much more interested in donating.

ha ha ha  :D that's funny was not even thinking about it. corrected it

I could put information on the live video feed pages with information that will helping new Bitcoin users properly secure their coins (teaching them about cold storage, offline wallets, etc.),

So when people tune in to watch the launch they would learn all about bitcoin

Thank you for your help

Donate your Bitcoin before they are worthless ha ha ha  :D

I think that most of us just can't figure out how burning millions of dollars to stick a flag in space for 30 seconds (flag - an visual emblem that people have to be able to see) will help bitcoin in any way. It may actually do harm, instead, since instead of people going, "Oooh, that's an interesting bitcoin project happening over there. I need to look into this bitcoin thing," they may  just think, "Stupid nerds got lots of money for no work, and are now throwing it away on stupid projects, like sending flags to space, instead of using that money to actually help people."

Not to be too negative because I like this idea and the OP's enthusiasm.  But lets also not exaggerate, sending a flag into space isn't likely to have people lining up to buy bitcoin.  It would be a quick 30 second news piece and then the world would move on.

Speaking of space,  Virgin Galactic has already received payments in bitcoin to send humans to space.  Sending a human in space and that human paid for the trip with bitcoin is a bit more exciting than a flag.  Even that Virgin story passed after about a day and the average person out there probably didn't go buy bitcoin because of it.

I'm sure the OP is going to be sending humans into space also.  Lot's of them!  Why not have a backup?  Anyway, after that the OP could well be setting up Bitcoin colonies on other planets or even astroids!

Of course getting a few mining rigs from BFL is a necessary first step.  (Good luck with that, BTW.)

what is the point of this?  seems like a big waste of money/time/effort

pushing forward

How exactly would sending a flag into space help bitcoins? Someone's clearly watched too much alien shows

There is no way we could be as evil as a fractional reserve banker because you can't inflate the money supply by 9x when giving out a loan like they can.

Gee, I was just about to send 1000 BTC, but I sort of sensed that the OP might be kind of a quitter.

I thought he might have is hand full 'setting the standard' in ASIC mining also and that might not leave him with enough time to build a Bitcoin outpost the moon or whatever.

Sure is a good thing I waited 'cuz I might have lost a lot of money.

I couldn't even get donations to start a legit non profit homeless outreach similar to Sean's Outpost, but to take care of the local homeless in my area of Tampa Bay Florida, I was looking for donations to file with Florida's online registration (SunBiz) you have to REALLY convince people, also Phennesues (sorry for spelling) he's already working on sending a BTC Flag to the summit of Mount Everest!

it will be almost that on friday..

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