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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..

This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z
Just sent out 1200 transactions for 1 satoshi each.
Spam attack on the bitcoin network?

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  

excessive blockchain size?

whats the minimum transaction size then?

Blocks are limited to 1 megabyte per block, and miners have an incentive to only include large transactions in a block if the transaction pays a sufficient fee.  If a sufficient fee is paid, then the sender has every right to that space in the block.  If a sufficient fee isn't paid, then why would any miner confirm this transaction instead of the hundreds of fee paying transactions that they could confirm instead?

Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?

I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

It's a test.

Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?

Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  ::)

Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

Nope, but I don't care about that nor did I say that it does that :P

Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.

Maybe the dredged em from this forum.

That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.

Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.

Bitcoind will get angry at you if you parse invalid addresses, so angry, it'll just simply refuse to process any of them.

I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.

Spaceship != script, but if you want to play it that way, sure, go ahead.

A strange thing happen to me today too. Maybe this is common, but it's the first time for me.
I withdrew .033 BTC from Coinex to my BTC address on Blockchain. It appeared right away, then disappeared,
then a short while after receiving the email below it reappeared again.

Transaction Confirmation Failed

A transaction made through Blockchain.info has been removed from our database because it was taking a long time to be included in a block.

Any funds have been returned to your wallet and you can now spend the coins again. Please consider including a larger fee in future transactions.

This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

yay! free money!

The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

No, because they will never be confirmed.

By the way, do these get thrown out of the mempool after a while?

"They" are trying to find out who you are and what addresses you own:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xenyd/just_received_weird_tiny_payments_1sochi_1enjoy/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282238.0

Now I feel sad because I haven't received money from 1Enjoy 1Sochi  :-\

This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

"They" are trying to find out who you are and what addresses you own:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xenyd/just_received_weird_tiny_payments_1sochi_1enjoy/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282238.0

I got a free fraction of a cent.

Payments (transaction outputs) of 0.543 times the minimum relay fee (0.00005430 BTC) are now considered 'non-standard', because storing them costs the network more than they are worth and spending them will usually cost their owner more in transaction fees than they are worth.

Non-standard transactions are not relayed across the network, are not included in blocks by most miners, and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.

BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

After "Enjoy & Sochi" I now also got spammed by "Play and Win BTC" directly after receiving a payment ...

https://i.imgur.com/TcaFBhB.png?1

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/53c763d7a835b67eac1db411300bfcb709105748892c5f5b50d415b061636185
https://blockchain.info/address/1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn

This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

I got a free fraction of a cent.

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?

What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea. 

Someone sending you money isn't an attack.  It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address.  You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).

What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

I saw a post on reddit the other day asking about deposits from enjoy and sochi addresses. Like tiny amounts. Someone replied and said that who ever is doing that is "dusting" the network for adresses. I am not sure what he meant and he didn't reply but i would still be vigilant. Maybe someone on the forum knows what "dusting" is.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.

Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.

Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying.

Why do these transactions even get relayed?
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/5fb080b8ba88696a97c44f6ba9bd26185a884fbdcd7a15c427e889915483e312


BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

EDIT: Seems like the the sender is directly connected to Blockchain.info
https://blockchain.info/de/ip-address/83.223.162.123
But this doesn't not explain why people receive them in their wallets.

and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.

That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Too many people here talk before acquiring enough knowledge, sadly.
Correct, a paper wallet can not become unusable because of a dust transaction when even if it would get confirmed.

I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.

It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  

Is the person doing this manually though? It would take a lot of time to do this for little gain.

It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  

That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..

No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

Wrong theories aren't worth much.  Transactions aren't sent to a particular address, there is nothing to trace.


Um there is thing called the blockchain which already contains every valid address that has received bitcoins.  For an "attacker" to send you a satoshi they would already by definition need to know your address and know it is valid.   

Bitcoin private keys can't be brute forced.  There isn't enough energy in our solar system.   If they could then someone sending you a satoshi is the least of your worries. 

Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.
Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    
Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.    

+1 for you. And well, here is an example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459946.msg5088542#msg5088542) on how they treat complex stuff. It's not that complex, but oh well. Someone states that nLockTime is used for Reverse Transactions. I could be wrong about my statement, but I highly doubt it since I used it to create LockMyCoins (which is currently being redone).

Yeah I've read that topic. I just don't understand these people. I will openly say that I currently do not know what nLockTime is used for, but I do not post about it claiming random nonsense when I lack the knowledge. That seems the problem in many people. You're most likely correct on the matter.

That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it). If it does have an effect on it, that does not mean it has one of the network or default client.

Gavin Andresen    Feb 12 2014

You may have noticed that some exchanges have temporarily suspended withdrawals and wondering what’s going on or more importantly, what’s being done about it. You can be rest assured that we have identified the issue and are collectively and collaboratively working on a solution.
 
Somebody (or several somebodies) is taking advantage of the transaction malleability issue and relaying mutated versions of transactions. This is exposing bugs in both the reference implementation and some exchange’s software.
 
We (core dev team, developers at the exchanges, and even big mining pools) are creating workarounds and fixes right now. This is a denial-of-service attack; whoever is doing this is not stealing coins, but is succeeding in preventing some transactions from confirming. It’s important to note that DoS attacks do not affect people’s bitcoin wallets or funds.
 
Users of the reference implementation who are bitten by this bug may see their bitcoins “tied up” in unconfirmed transactions; we need to update the software to fix that bug, so when they upgrade those coins are returned to the wallet and are available to spend again. Only users who make multiple transactions in a short period of time will be affected.
 
As a result, exchanges are temporarily suspending withdrawals to protect customer funds and prevent funds from being misdirected.
 
Thanks for your patience. Follow us @BTCFoundation for updates as we learn more and make progress.

That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it).

WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  

It's easy. It prevents a transaction from being accepted into the Blockchain before a certain timestamp or block is reached. That is the basic explanation of nLockTime. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.

The author of the software. His problem. It is getting fixed anyways, it wasn't a priority issue.

That's life ;)

Bitcointalk > life, in this case. It is much worse here.  :D

I also thought also about b). If you know that Blockchain.info relays spam, why relay the tx to all nodes yourself.

Reference Implementation doesn't not relay non-standard tx but doesn't ignore them either if they belong to your own wallet.

This is only true if no one relays the tx to you.

If you are running the QT client you aren't helping the spammer but if you got spammed it is going to show up.

This should be changed. Right now users can be spammed with thousands of TXs. I am sure having a few hundred TXs in your History that you can't spend sucks. Sure you can prune them with pywallet but 90% of the users won't don't that. Especially mobile users.

Look at the last merges, devs are already fixing the malleability problem
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xniph/look_at_the_last_merges_devs_are_already_fixing/

How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".

There is one other relevant rule: transactions with very small outputs ("dust" -- around 5,000 satoshis, based on the -minrelaytxfee setting) are considered non-standard and are not relayed.

I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

 Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.  

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   

No pool has included these "absurd transactions" that is why it is still unconfirmed.

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  

Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

Honestly, if you're sending eight cents or less, I have no idea whom you are paying, but, if they don't let eight cents slide, they're pretty cheap.

I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)

So , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.

So  , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.

If I misled you, I just want to clarify:
I send away my own coins already in that address, leaving those 2 satoshis behind.

Those spams are over 25kb in size and should pay at least 0.0025btc in fees, but the tx only pays 0.0001btc.
So yes, no pool would include them.

That stupid 1 Satoshi spam may have cost me .05 BTC.  It isn't much money but it has at least cost others LOTS of wasted time.  Anytime someone is stealing your time it isn't free.

A wallet I was working with a vendor with got spammed.  Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.   Since it was their wallet I'm at their mercy to manually transfer the funds because the connection between that wallet and my account was broken.  

You can keep your free stuff!  >:(

So it turns out my concerns were semi-legit?   :D

No, however you deserve credit for riling up the clueless.

Bitcoin addresses are public knowledge much like postal addresses.  Say one day I felt stupid and decided I wanted to mail 1 US penny to 10,000 random postal addresses.

Do you know what could happen? You might open your mailbox one day and .... HOLY CRAP there would be a penny in there.  WTF????? How could this happen? You didn't ask for a penny and it was mailed from some anonymous mailbox?  What the hell is going on?  If someone tracking you?  Is this part of some 51% postal attack?  What if they are dusting your finances with this penny so when you deposit it then they can hack your bank account from the inside out.  OH NOES! CALL HOMELAND SECURITY!  

This is the digital equivalent of that, and the reaction is just as silly.

According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You didn't actually think when people were talking about the DDOS attack on exchanges there were talking about this send a satoshi transaction did you?

There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

No, however you deserve credit for riling up the clueless.

Bitcoin addresses are public knowledge much like postal addresses.  Say one day I felt stupid and decided I wanted to mail 1 US penny to 10,000 random postal addresses.

Do you know what could happen? You might open your mailbox one day and .... HOLY CRAP there would be a penny in there.  How could this happen? You didn't ask for a penny and it was mailed from some anonymous mailbox?  What the hell is going on?  Has the security of the postal mail system been broken? Is someone tracking you?  What if this is part of some 51% postal attack?  I heard they are "dusting" your finances with this penny so when you deposit it then they can hack your bank account from the inside out.  OH NOES! CALL HOMELAND SECURITY!  We need to stop this.  Someone should put penny detectors on all mail drops to ensure hackers aren't able to destroy the world economy by mailing pennies.   We need to act now.   The entire postal system as we know it could collapse within days if people can just mail things to other people and stuff.

This is the digital equivalent of that, and the reaction is just as silly.

It isn't the equivalent because mailing pennies isn't going to break anyone's mailbox, but this did break some wallets.

If it broke anyone's wallet then that wallet it so horribly defective that they are in the running for beating MtGox when it comes to worst wallet implementation ever.  You should run for the exit now, because if a wallet can't properly handle an unconfirmed transaction who knows what else they got wrong.  I mean someone sent you money.  A wallet that can't handle that is a joke.  If your bitcoin wallet breaks when someone sends you bitcoins that is generally speaking a bad sign.

If it broke anyone's wallet then that wallet it so horribly defective that they are in the running for beating MtGox when it comes to worst wallet implementation ever.  You should run for the exit now, because if a wallet can't properly handle an unconfirmed transaction who knows what else they got wrong.  I mean someone sent you money.  A wallet that can't handle that is a joke.  If your bitcoin wallet breaks when someone sends you bitcoins that is generally speaking a bad sign.

My Enjoy Sochi transactions finally disappeared.

I didn't know that Bitcoin-QT removes TXs that didn't get confirmed after a while.

I didn't know that Bitcoin-QT removes TXs that didn't get confirmed after a while.

How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  :-[

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems;

I got this too some hour back... to my phone of all places where it's hard not to react to the coin-arrival sound.

Gotta give them credit for the creativity of spamming with vanity addresses, though. Took me a while to find this thread.

https://i.imgur.com/GrfQIOQ.jpg

What the hell did you use to write that text? It looks so sexy.

-boringstuff-

So it's my handwriting.

Well then, I like your handwriting.

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills. 

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

I agree, that is one hell of a hand job.. i mean...

I thought people were already required to always pay the transaction fee.

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

There is no way of detecting if it's a vanity address.   ::)

Yeah , good luck finding out if it's a vanity address or not. Besides , they could easily switch to a random one. The spam will stop when blockchain.info won't be showing those messages anymore.

I saw on Reddit, someone linked a post from this forum where a user named "EnjoyThis" was asking about creating vanity addresses:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100

I saw on Reddit, someone linked a post from this forum where a user named "EnjoyThis" was asking about creating vanity addresses:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100

Also, can someone explain to me: (1) why are these payments not getting confirmed; and (2) is this related to the malleability DDOS attack?  They seem related since both involve unconfirmed transactions. 

Thanks.

The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 

It seems he was just online about fifteen minutes ago.  I can't seem to figure out how to search for posts by user name...  I'd like to see what else he's been discussing.

Not that I know of...  it seems pretty compelling based upon his question regarding "1Enjoy," and his user name.  I wonder if this is part of some spamming service where companies will pay to have some stupid message sent via unconfirmed bitcoin transactions.  From an advertising standpoint, I'm sure the ability to reach +1 million people would be desirable. 

It seems he was just online about fifteen minutes ago.  I can't seem to figure out how to search for posts by user name...  I'd like to see what else he's been discussing.

Edit:  Also, the damn time-limits on posts, search, etc. are really a PIA.   >:(   I understand the need to repel spammers, but waiting six minutes between posts is just ridiculous.

The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 

ok guys, this is the last batch. took some training to get it running on high volume.

everyone who will not get any enjoysatochis today, will not get any at all. sorry for the inconvinience, and i hope you enjoy. this is a no offense attack on bitcoin.

it is an attraction and improvement attack. we are fully commited to make bitcoin stronger. 

and,,, do not waste so much energy on mining (hey, you use the power of 1-2 nuclear power plants for mining alone). it is neither green nor profitable.

lets start an adwords coin. omitting mining by feeding the coins value by advertisement revenue. and premiums for ad-free coins.

support your local bitcoin community.

There's also this guy, who basically confessed it was him:

Oh haha. I thought people were just being cyber detectives and assuming that he was the guy because of his name  ;D. Has anyone asked him?

kodiak1120 did as the question.

Short answer: "No, I'm not the one spamming".

In order to help out the detectives here on the forum:
If you look at my question https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100) I was asking for 1EnJoy as my username is EnJoyThis.
If I was to be such an obvious spammer I would rather have chosen for the following two messages: (1) 1EnJoy (2) 1This

Furthermore it would be kinda stupid to name myself after the spamming message sent out to the bitcoinworld, wouldn't it?  ;)

And last but not least, I which I was the spammer as some of you detectives saw the origin of the satoshi's is a wallet which held 217+ btc and, sadly for me, I don't hold that many coins.

BTW it supprised me it took this long before THE question was asked.


Cheers all

So what did you do with your 1EnJoy vanity address?  And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the meaning behind your username?   Not trying to accuse anyone of anything, but it is a pretty big coincidence. 

There's no reason to believe it's him.

If it was him, there's no reason why he would first post his request in public, and then deny it was him.
It doesn't make any sense.

There's no reason to believe it's him.

where have you post them?

I dont see any ... :)

It's in the last page in this thread, page 9.

it had returnd

Been a couple of days since I got the last 1 Satoshi spam. Maybe the person has stopped?

I haven't read the entire thread, but my thoughts on this is that whoever this person is they are trying to bring crypto's to the forefront of folks that might not think of this as real money and using this as a way to change their minds.


Whoever this is, I applaud them in a creative effort in trying to "spread the word" of crypto-currency.  :)

By creating transactions that will never confirm and cause confusion than amongst newer users? I'm sure there must be better ways.  :P

If this person really wanted to spread the word of crypto-currency, he should have started giving out amounts that people can use.  ;D