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Title: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on July 12, 2018, 11:13:17 PM
What happened: FAKE TEAM, Using stock photos:

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4625443.0
https://archive.is/hArXW

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5019084.0
https://archive.is/9e9So


Scammers Website: https://www.betlycoin.com
https://archive.is/m0ktR




Also posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4625443.0
_______________________________________________________________________________ ____


Hello BetlyCoin Team


WE have some bad news You might need a doctor:


http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/betlycoin%20fake%20team1.jpg





I guess she is already spending the money of this scam!

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/betlycoin%20fake%20team2.jpg





Are you sure you got the right advice from your legal team?

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/betlycoin%20fake%20team3.jpg
Mathis Derek
Legal Advisor


Explain now to the community.. we are not wasting time researching the rest of your team.


http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/nigeria.JPG




1 Emre Uzun Doctor

https://www.google.com/search?q=doctor+Emre+Uzun&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5mvG5zprcAhXQneAKHQf7DkMQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1229&bih=569

https://onedio.com/haber/insanin-durduk-yere-hasta-olmasina-sebep-olacak-yakisikli-ic-hastaliklari-doktoru-735511

2 stock photo
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/teenage-young-woman-paying-with-credit-card-in-a-boutique-gm638778290-114745983
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_U9axFXYAEp9hB.jpg
https://www.shutterstock.com/search/shopping+credit+card+store
https://www.precisionpaymentsystems.com/blog/

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=imgurl:https%3a%2f%2fsmallseotools.com%2ftempimgs%2f4963120431531428872.jpg&view=detailv2&selectedIndex=0&pageurl=&mode=ImageViewer&iss=sbi&FORM=IRSBIQ

https://www.yandex.com/images/search?text=https%3A%2F%2Fsmallseotools.com%2Ftempimgs%2F4963120431531428872.jpg&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsmallseotools.com%2Ftempimgs%2F4963120431531428872.jpg&rpt=imageview


3 stock photo

https://www.iab-switzerland.ch/shutterstock_151912058-kopie/

http://cleveland-bookkeeping.com/

https://www.yandex.com/images/search?text=https%3A%2F%2Fsmallseotools.com%2Ftempimgs%2F1608598751531429412.jpg&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsmallseotools.com%2Ftempimgs%2F1608598751531429412.jpg&rpt=imageview

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/mature-happy-business-man-on-phone-337252358


TEAM ON THEIR WEB PAGE

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/b1.JPG

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/b2.JPG


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Hellmouth42 on July 13, 2018, 03:56:55 AM
This is a good job :  8)


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: The Pharmacist on July 13, 2018, 04:31:52 AM
Tagged him.  These people are morons who haven't figured out that people are scrutinizing the photos posted in their ICO threads, and it seems like they'll never learn. 

I'd be interested to know how many ICOs are turning out to be scams.  I've seen so many of these cases of fraud lately that it actually seems to be common (and I don't follow the ICO market, so I don't have a sense of the magnitude of offerings).  Good job, OP.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on July 13, 2018, 01:16:35 PM
Tagged him.  These people are morons who haven't figured out that people are scrutinizing the photos posted in their ICO threads, and it seems like they'll never learn.  

I'd be interested to know how many ICOs are turning out to be scams.  I've seen so many of these cases of fraud lately that it actually seems to be common (and I don't follow the ICO market, so I don't have a sense of the magnitude of offerings).  Good job, OP.


I guess after you tagged him, he deleted their airdrop message and replaced by "Hello" message.
They changed the title of their topic to  "Re: HOTTEST AIRDROP AND ICO IN 2018 FOR BETTING INDUSTRY:

I posted on their telegram earlier, they booted me and deleted my msgs.

And then she PM me

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/tel00.JPG

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/tel001.JPG

http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/tel002.JPG



and they are on the move replacing pictures on their web:


http://icoethics.com/imgs/betlycoin/replacing.jpg


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Globality on July 16, 2018, 07:47:55 AM
Ahahaha, Amazing Work ICO Ethics team


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: CoderJor on July 17, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
Thanks ICO Ethics Team. That Piotr guy sent me a connection invite on Linkedin last week, so I googled him and found this thread.
I then forwarded your thread to Linkedin fraud department and they deleted his profile.

RIP Piotr  ;D


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Cryptomonyet on July 17, 2018, 01:08:37 PM
Thanks for this information, very helpful  ;D


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on July 17, 2018, 01:24:55 PM
Thanks ICO Ethics Team. That Piotr guy sent me a connection invite on Linkedin last week, so I googled him and found this thread.
I then forwarded your thread to Linkedin fraud department and they deleted his profile.

RIP Piotr  ;D


Thank you for the extra job. We are posting our findings on other social media, so more people can be informed about scams like this.
Here is another place that we can report scams as well:

FBI  - Internet Crime Complaint Center - IC3  https://www.ic3.gov/preventiontips.aspx


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: zoris on July 19, 2018, 02:52:17 PM
 ;D Great job !!


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Cryptosandy1987 on July 22, 2018, 09:09:48 AM
really big job...how can you search these pictures ... how can you know THAT, this is the scam ICO...


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on July 29, 2018, 04:27:11 AM
ICOETHICS IS A SCAM AND A FRAUD

We strongly Condemn and warn for misleading Statements

The misleading statements circulating in our business circle are strongly condemned
by our company and many clients which has no legal or moral authenticity.

We have been facing misleading statements revolving within our existing clients network which are
totally baseless and have no legal grounds or any support. We are the global company and we are
working in this sector since a long time. Our global clients trust is the guarantee and assurance of our
legitimacy. We have always provided transparent and trusted services to our clients regardless of the
race, sex, colour, region and religion.

As our clients knows that our business is not allowed in some of the countries and we have large
number of clients from those countries. However, they do business on their own risk and cost as we
have no authority to invite them or stop them form doing business under our website. We provide
complete freedom to our clients regardless of the regions which sometimes contradicts with some state
laws as we do not guarantee to comply with state laws globally which is not possible for any company
but we always try our best to do good practice and comply with state laws.

We are incorporated in USA and Sports betting is totally legal now as per the 6-3 ruling to lift the federal
ban on sports betting in the U.S., the Supreme Court has paved the way for states to allow sports
betting.

At the same time because we cannot stop people from other countries for betting in website which is
against our company policy and the freedom of business so we decided to launch as Anonymous Shell
Companies in different countries for the security of our clients and our business. Making an Anonymous
Shell Company is legitimate in many countries to secure the assets of business and from suspected
business threats.

We assure our global clients that their money, business and relationship is 100% secure and in safe
hands. We strongly condemn and oppose the misleading statements circulating in our clientage
network. We were strong and we are getting more stronger than before because this is the point where
we stand with our clients and your small trust will make a big difference for our global business.
Privacy Statement: We use the information we collect through our website only in compliance with the
Privacy Policy and Terms and Conditions. We shall never sell our clients data to any third party which
guarantees our sincere commitment with our clients which guarantees our sincerity toward our clients.



Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: enhu on July 29, 2018, 04:35:42 AM


There are probably several scammers who got away too but good job OP. Investigations like this should be done every time there is an ICO site and an ANN thread is posted. There were thousands if not hundreds of ICO pages on facebook and they were sending PMs to fellow users there. I think there are lots of victims already, too ashamed they didn't mentioned to anyone they were scammed.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on July 29, 2018, 04:38:17 AM
This Dude Accused us just because he saw that we were not active in bitcointalk and he sent us a mail asking for cash before pulling down this thread.

Kindly find  proof to this request via this link
- https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg (https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg)

IT'S SO FUNNY THAT PEOPLE DO NOT RESEARCH WELL ENOUGH BEFORE PAYING ATTENTION TO FAKE NEWS.

ICOETHICS IS A SCAM AND A FRAUD




Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on July 29, 2018, 04:45:59 AM
WE HAVE NEVER SCAMMED ANYONE AND OUR USERS HAVE NEVER COMPLAINED OF BEING SCAMMED BY US!

KINDLY MAKE SURE YOU CONDUCT ENOUGH RESEARCH AND CONTACT THE COMPANY BEFORE PAYING ATTENTION TO FAKE NEWS.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on July 29, 2018, 06:50:14 PM
WE HAVE NEVER SCAMMED ANYONE AND OUR USERS HAVE NEVER COMPLAINED OF BEING SCAMMED BY US!

KINDLY MAKE SURE YOU CONDUCT ENOUGH RESEARCH AND CONTACT THE COMPANY BEFORE PAYING ATTENTION TO FAKE NEWS.

Go AHEAD and make your nonsense accusations. Typical scammer!

https://archive.is/BLcie


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on July 29, 2018, 09:02:35 PM

We strongly Condemn and warn for misleading Statements

The misleading statements circulating in our business circle are strongly condemned
by our company and many clients which has no legal or moral authenticity.

We have been facing misleading statements revolving within our existing clients network which are
totally baseless and have no legal grounds or any support. We are the global company and we are
working in this sector since a long time. Our global clients trust is the guarantee and assurance of our
legitimacy. We have always provided transparent and trusted services to our clients regardless of the
race, sex, colour, region and religion.

As our clients knows that our business is not allowed in some of the countries and we have large
number of clients from those countries. However, they do business on their own risk and cost as we
have no authority to invite them or stop them form doing business under our website. We provide
complete freedom to our clients regardless of the regions which sometimes contradicts with some state
laws as we do not guarantee to comply with state laws globally which is not possible for any company
but we always try our best to do good practice and comply with state laws.

We are incorporated in USA and Sports betting is totally legal now as per the 6-3 ruling to lift the federal
ban on sports betting in the U.S., the Supreme Court has paved the way for states to allow sports
betting.

At the same time because we cannot stop people from other countries for betting in website which is
against our company policy and the freedom of business so we decided to launch as Anonymous Shell
Companies in different countries for the security of our clients and our business. Making an Anonymous
Shell Company is legitimate in many countries to secure the assets of business and from suspected
business threats.

We assure our global clients that their money, business and relationship is 100% secure and in safe
hands. We strongly condemn and oppose the misleading statements circulating in our clientage
network. We were strong and we are getting more stronger than before because this is the point where
we stand with our clients and your small trust will make a big difference for our global business.
Privacy Statement: We use the information we collect through our website only in compliance with the
Privacy Policy and Terms and Conditions. We shall never sell our clients data to any third party which
guarantees our sincere commitment with our clients which guarantees our sincerity toward our clients.



Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on July 29, 2018, 09:09:26 PM

THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS A LEGAL PRESS STATEMENT FROM OUR COMPANY

HERE IS A PROOF OF WHO ICOETHICS IS - https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg


GET READY TO RECEIVE LEGAL SANCTIONS FROM OUR COMPANY SOON.

THIS IS JUST THE START.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on July 29, 2018, 09:28:43 PM

THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS A LEGAL PRESS STATEMENT FROM OUR COMPANY

HERE IS A PROOF OF WHO ICOETHICS IS - https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg


GET READY TO RECEIVE LEGAL SANCTIONS FROM OUR COMPANY SOON.

THIS IS JUST THE START.


now creating fake emails to accuse us, and then they deleted their team from their website.



Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on July 29, 2018, 10:07:43 PM
~
You are also breaking forum rules.

BTW what happened to your fake team members?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Globality on July 30, 2018, 11:50:12 AM
I do wonder how an ICO is running with "recruiting member teams" section, interesting situation


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Cryptolabdotone on September 28, 2018, 02:15:43 AM
Betlycoin (BETLY) is already rated by Cryptolaboratory. All facts are here (https://ico-analytics.global/content/betlycoin-betly). Don't miss it!


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on October 14, 2018, 05:00:26 PM
Scammer created a new ANN post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5019084.0


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Coolcryptovator on October 22, 2018, 05:22:36 AM
SEEMS YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH YOUR ACCUSATIONS, WE ARE COMING FOR YOU.

SOON YOU WILL HAVE A STORY TO TELL.

Are you threatening ? Is there not enough proof that you have used fake team ?  You are creating new thread randomly. Do you know you are breaking forum rules? Why have you not tried to prove yourself legit instead of threatening. Make a YouTube video with your whole team than broadcast it. Obviously OP will take down if you could prove that your team is legit. He is doing great job by exposing scam and fake ICO. So try to prove yourself and instead of argument.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on October 22, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
SEEMS YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH YOUR ACCUSATIONS, WE ARE COMING FOR YOU.

SOON YOU WILL HAVE A STORY TO TELL.

Are you going to try again a new type of accusation? The first one didnt work... You are not just a scammer, but also a CRIMINAL. Stealing people's identity is a crime!


scammer created new post:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5054751.0


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on October 22, 2018, 12:41:12 PM
Quote
Hello marlboroza,

We have noticed that you kept issuing wrong accusations against our project.

Our Project and company is a not a scam, if you noticed no user of BETLYCOIN has ever complained of being scammed.

The post from ICOEthics is a misunderstanding and it's misinterpreted, and we are open to clarifications from you.

We are a team who want to move the blockchain industry forward, we are not here to scam anyone.

Our project idea as you can see is a unique one and we will love that you help us achieve this goal, rather than posting wrong information about us.

Also if you notice, we received a mail from an anonymous person earlier when the scam post was made, if we where scammers, we would have agreed to their terms.


Here is a link to the mail - [link removed]

We need you to understand that the reason why we are anonymous is not for wrong reasons but for challenges faced by our core team and due to gambling acceptance in several countries.

We mean well for the community.

Kindly reply this mail.
Thanks.

Sincerely,
Betlycoin Team

I won't discuss this PM privately. 

Quote
We have noticed that you kept issuing wrong accusations against our project.
I don't remember I am issuing anything. My last post regarding your "project" was exactly 3 months ago.

Quote
The post from ICOEthics is a misunderstanding and it's misinterpreted, and we are open to clarifications from you.
Anonymous =/= using pictures and names of other people.

Quote
Also if you notice, we received a mail from an anonymous person earlier when the scam post was made, if we where scammers, we would have agreed to their terms.
Neither I will open any link given by you. Take screenshot of email and post it here.
Quote
We need you to understand that the reason why we are anonymous is not for wrong reasons but for challenges faced by our core team and due to gambling acceptance in several countries.
What does this mean? Explain.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: SPJSPJ on October 24, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
Hard to believe but they even ask for 5 USD in BTC or ETH to withdraw the tokens from their airdrop!! If they want to prove to everyone that they are a scam then they did well :-) Thanks a lot to reveal this crypto ethics!


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: BetlyCoin01 on November 03, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Moderator if we upload our certificate of in-cooperation  will this post about betlycoin scam be deleted ?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on November 03, 2018, 11:04:19 PM
Moderator if we upload our certificate of in-cooperation  will this post about betlycoin scam be deleted ?

After stealing people's identity for your scam, creating a false accusation against us, and making that post that looks like a threat, what do you expect?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on November 03, 2018, 11:48:04 PM
Moderator if we upload our certificate of in-cooperation  will this post about betlycoin scam be deleted ?
No, scam is not moderated.

Can your team members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4659027.0) make group hug and take picture of it? No, make a video and upload it to youtube.

Make a video of Piotr Artur "The Doctor" and Meava Thomos "The Credit Card Girl" holding hands and saying "Betlycoin is real project with strong team".


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: BetlyCoin01 on November 04, 2018, 06:07:14 AM
Hello ICO ethics

We want to remove the scam post, its affecting our listing in various exchanges and its bringing a bad reputation to the project.

I told you we  chose to operate  anonymous that's why we used the pictures of those people in question, we are willing to comply by doing a video of the real team behind betlycoin is that okay ?



Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: ICOEthics on November 04, 2018, 12:51:40 PM
Hello ICO ethics

We want to remove the scam post, its affecting our listing in various exchanges and its bringing a bad reputation to the project.

I told you we  chose to operate  anonymous that's why we used the pictures of those people in question, we are willing to comply by doing a video of the real team behind betlycoin is that okay ?



You dont make an ICO anonymous by stealing other people's image and putting their lives in danger.
Go ahead and make your video so we can send to the agencies that we reported you for identity theft.
As far as removing the post = NO, not happening on this planet.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on November 04, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
I told you we  chose to operate  anonymous
Where is your company registered?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: BetlyCoin01 on November 04, 2018, 02:22:59 PM
If the post will not be Removed, even if we upload a video of our team , what then is the essence of uploading the video,  the project will still stand.

We will be Listed on one of the major exchangers, if any  exchangers chooses to verify our team, we would not have a problem with that.

 When we list on exchangers I doubt if you can make them delist us.

Do you know if Betlycoin Stands out among the Best Coins

Your Reputation will be Ruined Forever , Nobody would want to follow your scam updates any more.

What ever you do think about the other side of it okay.

If we are Scam why engaging in such Discussions with you, Be Wise.

Thanks
Betly coin
Media Rep.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on November 04, 2018, 04:59:39 PM
If the post will not be Removed, even if we upload a video of our team , what then is the essence of uploading the video,  the project will still stand.
Please, upload video. Include exposed fake team in it.
Quote
Your Reputation will be Ruined Forever , Nobody would want to follow your scam updates any more.
Have you posted screenshot of email yet?
If we are Scam why engaging in such Discussions with you
What did you say, where is your company registered?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: TusharMali99 on November 04, 2018, 06:17:22 PM
Yes, these SCAMMERS even demand $5 from every airdrop participant in the name of gas fees and exchange listing fees. ;D


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: BetlyCoin01 on November 04, 2018, 11:38:38 PM
We are Registered in the United States.

Our Registration Details will be Published soon.

If Betly Coin is a Scam You can Sue the company.

Regards
Betlycoin Team,
Media Rep.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on November 04, 2018, 11:50:14 PM
We are Registered in the United States.
Our Registration Details will be Published soon.
Team soon.
Video soon.
Company soon.
Email soon.
Certificate of in-cooperation soon.
Story to tell soon.

Just publish information we have been waiting for last 3 months. How hard can it be?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: posi on November 04, 2018, 11:52:03 PM
Even if your project is not scam which you're yet to proof it. You're the first project i see ever since I'm into crypto that required their bounty campaigner/airdrops participants to pay a service fee of $5 USD for not participate in ICO or Presale which claim is to cover transaction fee, exchange listing and the gambling project development.
Didn't that look like a scam project?


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on November 05, 2018, 09:21:37 AM
Moderator if we upload our certificate of in-cooperation  will this post about betlycoin scam be deleted ?
No, scam is not moderated.

Can your team members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4659027.0) make group hug and take picture of it? No, make a video and upload it to youtube.

Make a video of Piotr Artur "The Doctor" and Meava Thomos "The Credit Card Girl" holding hands and saying "Betlycoin is real project with strong team".

The above-mentioned individuals were never part of our team and were never uploaded on our website or whitepaper.


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on November 05, 2018, 09:29:36 AM
We are Registered in the United States.
Our Registration Details will be Published soon.
Team soon.
Video soon.
Company soon.
Email soon.
Certificate of in-cooperation soon.
Story to tell soon.

Just publish information we have been waiting for last 3 months. How hard can it be?

Our team members are anonymous and we don't tend to publish information contrary to the MOU signed by the team and the company.

Information regarding company registration will be uploaded.



Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: Betlycoin on November 05, 2018, 09:35:45 AM
If the post will not be Removed, even if we upload a video of our team , what then is the essence of uploading the video,  the project will still stand.
Please, upload video. Include exposed fake team in it.
Quote
Your Reputation will be Ruined Forever , Nobody would want to follow your scam updates any more.
Have you posted screenshot of email yet?
If we are Scam why engaging in such Discussions with you
What did you say, where is your company registered?

Yes we posted a link to the mail previously

Kindly find the mail here - https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg (https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg)


Title: Re: BETLYCOIN - SCAM
Post by: marlboroza on November 05, 2018, 02:45:46 PM
Yes we posted a link to the mail previously

Kindly find the mail here - https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg
 (https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/betlyfiles-index/icoethics-mail.jpg)
Quoted for record. Everything in that email is one big lie, someone tried to scam you.

Anyway, back to topic:

Information regarding company registration will be uploaded.
Can you upload company details? Where can we find your company?

Can your team members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4659027.0) make group hug and take picture of it? No, make a video and upload it to youtube.

Make a video of Piotr Artur "The Doctor" and Meava Thomos "The Credit Card Girl" holding hands and saying "Betlycoin is real project with strong team".
The above-mentioned individuals were never part of our team and were never uploaded on our website or whitepaper.
Lie quoted for record.