Title: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: jimbobway on October 02, 2011, 10:36:33 PM Hey guys,
The main reason why I got involved with bitcoin was because of Satoshi's PDF. Can you help translate? Thank you. Please see the project thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46624.0 Or you can go directly to the translation tool here: http://crowdin.net/project/bitcoin/invite UPDATE (10/2/2011): Visit bitcoinblogger.com for the Chinese and Chinese Traditional translations. Chinese: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1UsG65HCLkuOGNkMDZmMzYtZTQ0OC00OGVmLTk2MGItODBkNjA0MDEwYjkw&hl=en Chinese Traditional: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1UsG65HCLkuMTc5NjFjMzUtZjQxMy00ZTAzLWJkNjYtMmZhNTcyMzhmY2M1&hl=en_US Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: MattscheAN on October 03, 2011, 06:38:35 AM Is german allready in work?
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 03, 2011, 07:01:52 AM Is german allready in work? Not yet, we need a german translation. Just go here, register and start translating! :-) http://crowdin.net/project/bitcoin/invite (http://crowdin.net/project/bitcoin/invite) Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 03, 2011, 03:00:20 PM Thanks for those who volunteered so far. Let's keep it going!
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: MemoryDealers on October 03, 2011, 03:41:40 PM Bump for a great idea!
Please help out if you speak more than one language! Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Forp on October 03, 2011, 07:22:49 PM The main reason why I got involved with bitcoin was because of Satoshi's PDF. Can you help translate? +1 for the first part. -1 for the second part. I got interested in undstanding Bitcoin by Satoshi's paper, i.e. I did not at all understand the true concept in Satoshi's paper but it served as a good cliff hanger and appetizer. 5 weeks later, having read Bitcoin source code and having hacked my way to my own block explorer tool, I had a better understanding of the way Bitcoin works. Thus, I do not understand why u suggest a translation of the paper; a reenginered, improved paper with more precision giving the complete picture would be much more important. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 04, 2011, 05:07:46 PM So far here's is what we have translated:
Spanish: 31% German: 16% Romanian: 2% Swedish: 1% Come on guys! Help me out! :-) Sign up here: http://crowdin.net/project/bitcoin/invite Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 05, 2011, 06:10:41 AM Looks like the Germans are winning the translation contest with 41% complete. Thank you. ;D
Here is a sneak peek of the German PDF: Übersetzung ins Deutsche in progress. Siehe Bild unten. Ich bin Umwandlung in PDF. https://i.imgur.com/EnK0g.jpg Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 05, 2011, 07:09:35 AM I'll see if i can give a hand with the Brazilian Portuguese.
edit: but please have more people review what i do, somtimes when i write, regardless of language, i let silly (and somtimes stupid) mistakes slip. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 05, 2011, 07:31:56 AM Hm, the way the sentences are split between multiple lines there makes it kinda awkward to translate a few parts...
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Nubarius on October 05, 2011, 08:53:07 AM Quote Hm, the way the sentences are split between multiple lines there makes it kinda awkward to translate a few parts... Yes, I've been working on the Spanish translation and sometimes you just need to rearrange the lines. For example, if a pair adjective-noun is split in two lines, I usually translate it as noun + adjective in the first line, so that the noun is then missing in the translation of the next line. Anyway, I'm not sure I like this kind of collaborative platform for this sort of translation. When I was going to resume the translation today I found that somebody else has continued translating a few lines. While this could be good in terms of completing the translation quickly, it also means that there may be an inconsistency in style and even choices for the translation of technical terms in different parts of the document. I've decided to offer my own suggestions for some of those lines, but that means that there are now multiple suggestions for several lines. I'm not sure how a unified translation is eventually produced under this system. It seems a bit awkward and complicated to use. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 05, 2011, 09:41:55 AM It would've been better if it was organized in terms of paragraphs and sentences instead of lines.
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 05, 2011, 09:44:37 AM ... I would expect that once the translation itself is done, there would still be the need for revision in order to address such inconsistencies in writing style etc.Anyway, I'm not sure I like this kind of collaborative platform for this sort of translation. When I was going to resume the translation today I found that somebody else has continued translating a few lines. While this could be good in terms of completing the translation quickly, it also means that there may be an inconsistency in style and even choices for the translation of technical terms in different parts of the document. I've decided to offer my own suggestions for some of those lines, but that means that there are now multiple suggestions for several lines. I'm not sure how a unified translation is eventually produced under this system. It seems a bit awkward and complicated to use. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: P4man on October 05, 2011, 09:53:46 AM Ill see what I can do for Dutch. But I suspect doing a proper translation is not so easy.
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: P4man on October 05, 2011, 10:00:46 AM I just started Dutch. Commiting a translation takes longer than typing it :(
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 05, 2011, 10:07:36 AM The site slowed down a lot for me too a few minutes ago, seems to be working fast again now though.
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: GideonGono on October 05, 2011, 10:24:04 AM Awesome idea! I'm friends with a lot of native speakers of Asian languages. They are pretty lazy though :( I'm still waiting for a couple dudes to translate the client to Arabic & Farsi
Also how come Irish is listed under Asia? Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on October 05, 2011, 10:40:32 AM I think the value in translating a technical paper is fairly limited, those who want technical details would typically have no problem (and possibly prefer) reading the English original. A better thing to have in multiple languages is a paper giving a thorough, reasoned discussion about all of Bitcoin's advantages (preferably tailored to what's relevant for each specific country).
Anyway, how well does the platform handle right-to-left languages? Can you generate a pdf sample for the work done so far in Hebrew? Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 05, 2011, 04:37:43 PM It would've been better if it was organized in terms of paragraphs and sentences instead of lines. If this is a problem I can try and redo it so it has sentences and paragraphs instead of lines. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Cussmob_CUE on October 05, 2011, 05:13:22 PM I don't really feel like doing the line-by-line interface on the site, but here's a Swedish translation if anyone wants to import it.
Beetcuin: A Peer-tu-Peer Ilectruneec Cesh System Setushee Nekemutu setusheen@gmx.cum vvv.beetcuin. Bork bork bork!oorg Ebstrect. Um de hur de hur de hur. A poorely peer-tu-peer ferseeun ooff ilectruneec cesh vuoold elloo oonleene-a peyments tu be-a sent durectly frum oone-a perty tu unuzeer veethuoot gueeng thruoogh a feenunciel insteetooshun. Deegitel seegnetoores prufeede-a pert ooff zee sulooshun, boot zee meeen beneffeets ere-a lust iff a troosted thurd perty is steell reqooured tu prefent duooble-a-spendeeng. Ve-a prupuse-a a sulooshun tu zee duooble-a-spendeeng prublem useeng a peer-tu-peer netvurk. Zee netvurk teemestemps trunsecshuns by hesheeng zeem intu un oongueeng cheeen ooff hesh-besed pruuff-ooff-vurk, furmeeng a recurd thet cunnut be-a chunged veethuoot redueeng zee pruuff-ooff-vurk. Zee lungest cheeen nut oonly serfes es pruuff ooff zee seqooence-a ooff ifents veetnessed, boot pruuff thet it ceme-a frum zee lergest puul ooff CPOo pooer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Es lung es a mejureety ooff CPOo pooer is cuntrulled by nudes thet ere-a nut cuupereteeng tu etteck zee netvurk, zeey'll generete-a zee lungest cheeen und ooootpece-a etteckers. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee netvurk itselff reqooures meenimel strooctoore-a. Messeges ere-a bruedcest oon a best iffffurt besees, und nudes cun leefe-a und rejueen zee netvurk et veell, eccepteeng zee lungest pruuff-ooff-vurk cheeen es pruuff ooff vhet heppened vheele-a zeey vere-a gune-a. 1. Intrudoocshun Cummerce-a oon zee Internet hes cume-a tu rely elmust ixclooseefely oon feenunciel insteetooshuns serfeeng es troosted thurd perteees tu prucess ilectruneec peyments. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Vheele-a zee system vurks vell inuoogh fur must trunsecshuns, it steell sooffffers frum zee inherent veeknesses ooff zee troost besed mudel. Cumpletely nun-referseeble-a trunsecshuns ere-a nut reelly pusseeble-a, seence-a feenunciel insteetooshuns cunnut efueed medeeeting deespootes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee cust ooff medeeeshun increeses trunsecshun custs, leemiting zee meenimoom precteecel trunsecshun seeze-a und cootteeng ooffff zee pusseebility fur smell cesooel trunsecshuns, und zeere-a is a brueder cust in zee luss ooff ebeelity tu meke-a nun-referseeble-a peyments fur nunreferseeble-a serfeeces. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Veet zee pusseebility ooff refersel, zee need fur troost spreeds. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Merchunts moost be-a very ooff zeeur coostumers, hessleeng zeem fur mure-a inffurmeshun thun zeey vuoold oozeerveese-a need. Bork bork bork! A certeeen percentege-a ooff frood is eccepted es unefueedeble-a. Zeese-a custs und peyment uncerteeenties cun be-a efueeded in persun by useeng physeecel coorrency, boot nu mechuneesm ixeests tu meke-a peyments oofer a cummooneeceshuns chunnel veethuoot a troosted perty. Bork bork bork! Vhet is needed is un ilectruneec peyment system besed oon cryptugrepheec pruuff insteed ooff troost, ellooeeng uny tvu veelling perteees tu trunsect durectly veet iech oozeer veethuoot zee need fur a troosted thurd perty. Bork bork bork! Trunsecshuns thet ere-a cumpooteshunelly imprecteecel tu referse-a vuoold prutect sellers frum frood, und ruooteene-a iscroo mechuneesms cuoold ieseely be-a implemented tu prutect booyers. Um gesh dee bork, bork! In thees peper, ve-a prupuse-a a sulooshun tu zee duooble-a-spendeeng prublem useeng a peer-tu-peer deestribooted teemestemp serfer tu generete-a cumpooteshunel pruuff ooff zee chrunulugeecel oorder ooff trunsecshuns. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee system is secoore-a es lung es hunest nudes cullecteefely cuntrul mure-a CPOo pooer thun uny cuupereteeng gruoop ooff ettecker nudes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! 1 2. Trunsecshuns Ve-a deffeene-a un ilectruneec cueen es a cheeen ooff deegitel seegnetoores. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Iech oovner trunsffers zee cueen tu zee next by deegitelly seegning a hesh ooff zee prefeeuoos trunsecshun und zee poobleec key ooff zee next oovner und eddeeng zeese-a tu zee ind ooff zee cueen. Bork bork bork! A peyee-a cun fereeffy zee seegnetoores tu fereeffy zee cheeen ooff oovnersheep. Zee prublem ooff cuoorse-a is zee peyee-a cun't fereeffy thet oone-a ooff zee oovners deed nut duooble-a-spend zee cueen. Bork bork bork! A cummun sulooshun is tu intrudooce-a a troosted centrel oothureety, oor meent, thet checks ifery trunsecshun fur duooble-a spendeeng. Effter iech trunsecshun, zee cueen moost be-a retoorned tu zee meent tu issooe-a a noo cueen, und oonly cueens issooed durectly frum zee meent ere-a troosted nut tu be-a duooble-a-spent. Um de hur de hur de hur. Zee prublem veet thees sulooshun is thet zee fete-a ooff zee inture-a muney system depends oon zee cumpuny roonneeng zee meent, veet ifery trunsecshun hefeeng tu gu thruoogh zeem, joost leeke-a a bunk. Ve-a need a vey fur zee peyee-a tu knoo thet zee prefeeuoos oovners deed nut seegn uny ierleeer trunsecshuns. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Fur oooor poorpuses, zee ierleeest trunsecshun is zee oone-a thet cuoonts, su ve-a dun't cere-a ebuoot leter ettempts tu duooble-a-spend. Bork bork bork! Zee oonly vey tu cunffurm zee ebsence-a ooff a trunsecshun is tu be-a evere-a ooff ell trunsecshuns. Um gesh dee bork, bork! In zee meent besed mudel, zee meent ves evere-a ooff ell trunsecshuns und deceeded vheech erreefed furst. Um de hur de hur de hur. Tu eccumpleesh thees veethuoot a troosted perty, trunsecshuns moost be-a poobleecly unnuoonced [1], und ve-a need a system fur perteecipunts tu egree-a oon a seengle-a heestury ooff zee oorder in vheech zeey vere-a receeefed. Bork bork bork! Zee peyee-a needs pruuff thet et zee teeme-a ooff iech trunsecshun, zee mejureety ooff nudes egreed it ves zee furst receeefed. Bork bork bork! 3. Teemestemp Serfer Zee sulooshun ve-a prupuse-a begeens veet a teemestemp serfer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! A teemestemp serfer vurks by tekeeng a hesh ooff a bluck ooff items tu be-a teemestemped und veedely poobleeshing zee hesh, sooch es in a noospeper oor Usenet pust [2-5]. Zee teemestemp prufes thet zee deta moost hefe-a ixeested et zee teeme-a, oobfeeuoosly, in oorder tu get intu zee hesh. Iech teemestemp incloodes zee prefeeuoos teemestemp in its hesh, furmeeng a cheeen, veet iech eddeeshunel teemestemp reeenffurcing zee oones beffure-a it. Um de hur de hur de hur. 2 Bluck Item Item ... Hesh Bluck Item Item ... Hesh Trunsecshun Oovner 1's Poobleec Key Oovner 0's Seegnetoore-a Hesh Trunsecshun Oovner 2's Poobleec Key Oovner 1's Seegnetoore-a Hesh Fereeffy Trunsecshun Oovner 3's Poobleec Key Oovner 2's Seegnetoore-a Hesh Fereeffy Oovner 2's Preefete-a Key Oovner 1's Preefete-a Key Seegn Seegn Oovner 3's Preefete-a Key 4. Pruuff-ooff-Vurk Tu implement a deestribooted teemestemp serfer oon a peer-tu-peer besees, ve-a veell need tu use-a a pruuffuff- vurk system seemiler tu Edem Beck's Heshcesh [6], rezeer thun noospeper oor Usenet pusts. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee pruuff-ooff-vurk infulfes scunneeng fur a felooe-a thet vhee heshed, sooch es veet SHA-256, zee hesh begeens veet a noomber ooff zeru beets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee eferege-a vurk reqooured is ixpunenteeel in zee noomber ooff zeru beets reqooured und cun be-a fereeffied by ixecooteeng a seengle-a hesh. Fur oooor teemestemp netvurk, ve-a implement zee pruuff-ooff-vurk by incrementeeng a nunce-a in zee bluck unteel a felooe-a is fuoond thet geefes zee bluck's hesh zee reqooured zeru beets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Oonce-a zee CPOo iffffurt hes beee ixpended tu meke-a it seteesffy zee pruuff-ooff-vurk, zee bluck cunnut be-a chunged veethuoot redueeng zee vurk. Es leter blucks ere-a cheeened effter it, zee vurk tu chunge-a zee bluck vuoold incloode-a redueeng ell zee blucks effter it. Um de hur de hur de hur. Zee pruuff-ooff-vurk elsu sulfes zee prublem ooff determeening representeshun in mejureety deceesiun mekeeng. Iff zee mejureety vere-a besed oon oone-a-IP-eddress-oone-a-fute-a, it cuoold be-a soobferted by unyune-a eble-a tu ellucete-a muny IPs. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Pruuff-ooff-vurk is issenteeelly oone-a-CPOo-oone-a-fute-a. Zee mejureety deceesiun is represented by zee lungest cheeen, vheech hes zee greetest pruuff-ooff-vurk iffffurt infested in it. Um de hur de hur de hur. Iff a mejureety ooff CPOo pooer is cuntrulled by hunest nudes, zee hunest cheeen veell groo zee festest und ooootpece-a uny cumpeteeng cheeens. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Tu mudeeffy a pest bluck, un ettecker vuoold hefe-a tu redu zee pruuff-ooff-vurk ooff zee bluck und ell blucks effter it und zeen cetch up veet und soorpess zee vurk ooff zee hunest nudes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Ve-a veell shoo leter thet zee prubebeelity ooff a slooer ettecker cetcheeng up deeminishes ixpunenteeelly es soobseqooent blucks ere-a edded. Bork bork bork! Tu cumpensete-a fur increeseeng herdvere-a speed und feryeeng interest in roonneeng nudes oofer teeme-a, zee pruuff-ooff-vurk deefffficoolty is determeened by a mufeeng eferege-a tergeteeng un eferege-a noomber ooff blucks per huoor. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Iff zeey're-a genereted tuu fest, zee deefffficoolty increeses. Um gesh dee bork, bork! 5. Netvurk Zee steps tu roon zee netvurk ere-a es fulloos: 1) Noo trunsecshuns ere-a bruedcest tu ell nudes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! 2) Iech nude-a cullects noo trunsecshuns intu a bluck. 3) Iech nude-a vurks oon feending a deefffficoolt pruuff-ooff-vurk fur its bluck. 4) Vhee a nude-a feends a pruuff-ooff-vurk, it bruedcests zee bluck tu ell nudes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! 5) Nudes eccept zee bluck oonly iff ell trunsecshuns in it ere-a feleed und nut elreedy spent. Um de hur de hur de hur. 6) Nudes ixpress zeeur ecceptunce-a ooff zee bluck by vurkeeng oon creeteeng zee next bluck in zee cheeen, useeng zee hesh ooff zee eccepted bluck es zee prefeeuoos hesh. Nudes elveys cunseeder zee lungest cheeen tu be-a zee currect oone-a und veell keep vurkeeng oon ixtendeeng it. Um de hur de hur de hur. Iff tvu nudes bruedcest deefffferent ferseeuns ooff zee next bluck seemooltuneuoosly, sume-a nudes mey receeefe-a oone-a oor zee oozeer furst. Um de hur de hur de hur. In thet cese-a, zeey vurk oon zee furst oone-a zeey receeefed, boot sefe-a zee oozeer brunch in cese-a it becumes lunger. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Zee teee-a veell be-a brukee vhee zee next pruuffuff- vurk is fuoond und oone-a brunch becumes lunger; zee nudes thet vere-a vurkeeng oon zee oozeer brunch veell zeen sveetch tu zee lunger oone-a. 3 Bluck Pref Hesh Nunce-a Tx Tx ... Bluck Pref Hesh Nunce-a Tx Tx ... Noo trunsecshun bruedcests du nut necessereely need tu reech ell nudes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Es lung es zeey reech muny nudes, zeey veell get intu a bluck beffure-a lung. Bluck bruedcests ere-a elsu tulerunt ooff drupped messeges. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Iff a nude-a dues nut receeefe-a a bluck, it veell reqooest it vhee it receeefes zee next bluck und reeleezes it meessed oone-a. 6. Incenteefe-a By cunfenshun, zee furst trunsecshun in a bluck is a speceeel trunsecshun thet sterts a noo cueen oovned by zee creetur ooff zee bluck. Thees edds un incenteefe-a fur nudes tu sooppurt zee netvurk, und prufeedes a vey tu ineetielly deestriboote-a cueens intu curcooleshun, seence-a zeere-a is nu centrel oothureety tu issooe-a zeem. Zee steedy eddeeshun ooff a cunstunt ooff emuoont ooff noo cueens is uneluguoos tu guld meeners ixpendeeng resuoorces tu edd guld tu curcooleshun. In oooor cese-a, it is CPOo teeme-a und ilectreecity thet is ixpended. Bork bork bork! Zee incenteefe-a cun elsu be-a foonded veet trunsecshun fees. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Iff zee ooootpoot felooe-a ooff a trunsecshun is less thun its inpoot felooe-a, zee deefffference-a is a trunsecshun fee-a thet is edded tu zee incenteefe-a felooe-a ooff zee bluck cunteeening zee trunsecshun. Oonce-a a predetermeened noomber ooff cueens hefe-a intered curcooleshun, zee incenteefe-a cun trunseeshun inturely tu trunsecshun fees und be-a cumpletely inffleshun free-a.Zee incenteefe-a mey help incuoorege-a nudes tu stey hunest. Um de hur de hur de hur. Iff a greedy ettecker is eble-a tu essemble-a mure-a CPOo pooer thun ell zee hunest nudes, he-a vuoold hefe-a tu chuuse-a betveee useeng it tu deffrood peuple-a by steeleeng beck hees peyments, oor useeng it tu generete-a noo cueens. Um gesh dee bork, bork! He-a ooooght tu feend it mure-a pruffeeteble-a tu pley by zee rooles, sooch rooles thet fefuoor heem veet mure-a noo cueens thun iferyune-a ilse-a cumbeened, thun tu undermeene-a zee system und zee feleedity ooff hees oovn veelt. 7. Recleeeming Deesk Spece-a Oonce-a zee letest trunsecshun in a cueen is booreeed under inuoogh blucks, zee spent trunsecshuns beffure-a it cun be-a deescerded tu sefe-a deesk spece-a. Tu feceelitete-a thees veethuoot breekeeng zee bluck's hesh, trunsecshuns ere-a heshed in a Merkle-a Tree-a [7][2][5], veet oonly zee ruut inclooded in zee bluck's hesh. Oold blucks cun zeen be-a cumpected by stoobbeeng ooffff brunches ooff zee tree-a. Zee intereeur heshes du nut need tu be-a stured. Bork bork bork! A bluck heeder veet nu trunsecshuns vuoold be-a ebuoot 80 bytes. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Iff ve-a sooppuse-a blucks ere-a genereted ifery 10 meenootes, 80 bytes * 6 * 24 * 365 = 4.2MB per yeer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Veet cumpooter systems typeecelly selleeng veet 2GB ooff REM es ooff 2008, und Muure's Lev predeecting coorrent groot ooff 1.2GB per yeer, sturege-a shuoold nut be-a a prublem ifee iff zee bluck heeders moost be-a kept in memury. Bork bork bork! 4 Bluck Bluck Bluck Heeder (Bluck Hesh) Pref Hesh Nunce-a Hesh01 Hesh0 Hesh1 Hesh2 Hesh3 Hesh23 Ruut Hesh Hesh01 Hesh2 Tx3 Hesh23 Bluck Heeder (Bluck Hesh) Ruut Hesh Trunsecshuns Heshed in a Merkle-a Tree-a Effter Prooneeng Tx0-2 frum zee Bluck Pref Hesh Nunce-a Hesh3 Tx0 Tx1 Tx2 Tx3 8. Seempliffied Peyment Fereefficeshun It is pusseeble-a tu fereeffy peyments veethuoot roonneeng a fooll netvurk nude-a. A user oonly needs tu keep a cupy ooff zee bluck heeders ooff zee lungest pruuff-ooff-vurk cheeen, vheech he-a cun get by qooeryeeng netvurk nudes unteel he's cunfeenced he-a hes zee lungest cheeen, und oobteeen zee Merkle-a brunch leenking zee trunsecshun tu zee bluck it's teemestemped in. Bork bork bork! He-a cun't check zee trunsecshun fur heemselff, boot by leenking it tu a plece-a in zee cheeen, he-a cun see-a thet a netvurk nude-a hes eccepted it, und blucks edded effter it foorzeer cunffurm zee netvurk hes eccepted it. Um de hur de hur de hur. Es sooch, zee fereefficeshun is releeeble-a es lung es hunest nudes cuntrul zee netvurk, boot is mure-a foolnereble-a iff zee netvurk is ooferpooered by un ettecker. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Vheele-a netvurk nudes cun fereeffy trunsecshuns fur zeemselfes, zee seempliffied methud cun be-a fuuled by un ettecker's febreeceted trunsecshuns fur es lung es zee ettecker cun cunteenooe-a tu ooferpooer zee netvurk. Oone-a stretegy tu prutect egeeenst thees vuoold be-a tu eccept elerts frum netvurk nudes vhee zeey detect un infeleed bluck, prumpteeng zee user's sufftvere-a tu doonlued zee fooll bluck und elerted trunsecshuns tu cunffurm zee incunseestency. Bork bork bork! Booseenesses thet receeefe-a freqooent peyments veell prubebly steell vunt tu roon zeeur oovn nudes fur mure-a independent secooreety und qooeecker fereefficeshun. 9. Cumbeening und Spleetting Felooe-a Elthuoogh it vuoold be-a pusseeble-a tu hundle-a cueens indeefidooelly, it vuoold be-a unveeeldy tu meke-a a seperete-a trunsecshun fur ifery cent in a trunsffer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Tu elloo felooe-a tu be-a spleet und cumbeened, trunsecshuns cunteeen moolteeple-a inpoots und ooootpoots. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Nurmelly zeere-a veell be-a ieezeer a seengle-a inpoot frum a lerger prefeeuoos trunsecshun oor moolteeple-a inpoots cumbeening smeller emuoonts, und et must tvu ooootpoots: oone-a fur zee peyment, und oone-a retoorneeng zee chunge-a, iff uny, beck tu zee sender. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! It shuoold be-a nuted thet fun-oooot, vhere-a a trunsecshun depends oon seferel trunsecshuns, und thuse-a trunsecshuns depend oon muny mure-a, is nut a prublem here-a. Zeere-a is nefer zee need tu ixtrect a cumplete-a stundelune-a cupy ooff a trunsecshun's heestury. Bork bork bork! 5 Trunsecshun In ... In Oooot ... Hesh01 Hesh2 Hesh3 Hesh23 Bluck Heeder Merkle-a Ruut Pref Hesh Nunce-a Bluck Heeder Merkle-a Ruut Pref Hesh Nunce-a Bluck Heeder Merkle-a Ruut Pref Hesh Nunce-a Merkle-a Brunch fur Tx3 Lungest Pruuff-ooff-Vurk Cheeen Tx3 10. Preefecy Zee tredeeshunel bunkeeng mudel echeeefes a lefel ooff preefecy by leemiting eccess tu inffurmeshun tu zee perteees infulfed und zee troosted thurd perty. Bork bork bork! Zee necesseety tu unnuoonce-a ell trunsecshuns poobleecly precloodes thees methud, boot preefecy cun steell be-a meeenteined by breekeeng zee floo ooff inffurmeshun in unuzeer plece-a: by keepeeng poobleec keys ununymuoos. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Zee poobleec cun see-a thet sumeune-a is sendeeng un emuoont tu sumeune-a ilse-a, boot veethuoot inffurmeshun leenking zee trunsecshun tu unyune-a. Thees is seemiler tu zee lefel ooff inffurmeshun releesed by stuck ixchunges, vhere-a zee teeme-a und seeze-a ooff indeefidooel tredes, zee "tepe-a", is mede-a poobleec, boot veethuoot telleeng vhu zee perteees vere-a. Es un eddeeshunel furooell, a noo key peur shuoold be-a used fur iech trunsecshun tu keep zeem frum beeeng leenked tu a cummun oovner. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Sume-a leenking is steell unefueedeble-a veet mooltee-inpoot trunsecshuns, vheech necessereely refeel thet zeeur inpoots vere-a oovned by zee seme-a oovner. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Zee reesk is thet iff zee oovner ooff a key is refeeled, leenking cuoold refeel oozeer trunsecshuns thet belunged tu zee seme-a oovner. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! 11. Celcooleshuns Ve-a cunseeder zee scenereeu ooff un ettecker tryeeng tu generete-a un elternete-a cheeen fester thun zee hunest cheeen. Bork bork bork! Ifee iff thees is eccumpleeshed, it dues nut throo zee system oopee tu erbeetrery chunges, sooch es creeteeng felooe-a oooot ooff theen eur oor tekeeng muney thet nefer belunged tu zee ettecker. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Nudes ere-a nut gueeng tu eccept un infeleed trunsecshun es peyment, und hunest nudes veell nefer eccept a bluck cunteeening zeem. Un ettecker cun oonly try tu chunge-a oone-a ooff hees oovn trunsecshuns tu teke-a beck muney he-a recently spent. Um de hur de hur de hur. Zee rece-a betveee zee hunest cheeen und un ettecker cheeen cun be-a cherectereezed es a Beenumiel Rundum Velk. Zee sooccess ifent is zee hunest cheeen beeeng ixtended by oone-a bluck, increeseeng its leed by +1, und zee feeeloore-a ifent is zee ettecker's cheeen beeeng ixtended by oone-a bluck, redooceeng zee gep by -1. Zee prubebeelity ooff un ettecker cetcheeng up frum a geefee deffeecit is uneluguoos tu a Gembler's Rooeen prublem. Sooppuse-a a gembler veet unleemited credeet sterts et a deffeecit und pleys putenteeelly un inffeenite-a noomber ooff treeels tu try tu reech breekefee. Ve-a cun celcoolete-a zee prubebeelity he-a ifer reeches breekefee, oor thet un ettecker ifer cetches up veet zee hunest cheeen, es fulloos [8]: p = prubebeelity un hunest nude-a feends zee next bluck q = prubebeelity zee ettecker feends zee next bluck qz = prubebeelity zee ettecker veell ifer cetch up frum z blucks beheend qz={ 1 iff p≤q q/ pz iff pq} 6 Identeeties Trunsecshuns Troosted Thurd Perty Cuoonterperty Poobleec Identeeties Trunsecshuns Poobleec Noo Preefecy Mudel Tredeeshunel Preefecy Mudel Geefee oooor essoompshun thet p > q, zee prubebeelity drups ixpunenteeelly es zee noomber ooff blucks zee ettecker hes tu cetch up veet increeses. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Veet zee oodds egeeenst heem, iff he-a duesn't meke-a a loocky loonge-a furverd ierly oon, hees chunces becume-a funeeshingly smell es he-a fells foorzeer beheend. Bork bork bork! Ve-a noo cunseeder hoo lung zee receepient ooff a noo trunsecshun needs tu veeet beffure-a beeeng sooffffeeciently certeeen zee sender cun't chunge-a zee trunsecshun. Ve-a essoome-a zee sender is un ettecker vhu vunts tu meke-a zee receepient beleeefe-a he-a peeed heem fur a vheele-a, zeen sveetch it tu pey beck tu heemselff effter sume-a teeme-a hes pessed. Bork bork bork! Zee receeefer veell be-a elerted vhee thet heppens, boot zee sender hupes it veell be-a tuu lete-a. Zee receeefer generetes a noo key peur und geefes zee poobleec key tu zee sender shurtly beffure-a seegning. Thees prefents zee sender frum prepereeng a cheeen ooff blucks eheed ooff teeme-a by vurkeeng oon it cunteenoouoosly unteel he-a is loocky inuoogh tu get fer inuoogh eheed, zeen ixecooteeng zee trunsecshun et thet mument. Um de hur de hur de hur. Oonce-a zee trunsecshun is sent, zee deeshunest sender sterts vurkeeng in secret oon a perellel cheeen cunteeening un elternete-a ferseeun ooff hees trunsecshun. Zee receepient veeets unteel zee trunsecshun hes beee edded tu a bluck und z blucks hefe-a beee leenked effter it. Um de hur de hur de hur. He-a duesn't knoo zee ixect emuoont ooff prugress zee ettecker hes mede-a, boot essoomeeng zee hunest blucks tuuk zee eferege-a ixpected teeme-a per bluck, zee ettecker's putenteeel prugress veell be-a a Pueessun deestribooshun veet ixpected felooe-a: =z q p Tu get zee prubebeelity zee ettecker cuoold steell cetch up noo, ve-a moolteeply zee Pueessun denseety fur iech emuoont ooff prugress he-a cuoold hefe-a mede-a by zee prubebeelity he-a cuoold cetch up frum thet pueent: Σk =0 ∞ k i− k! ⋅{q/ p z−k  iff k≤z 1 iff kz} Reerrungeeng tu efueed soommeeng zee inffeenite-a teeel ooff zee deestribooshun... 1−Σ k =0 z k i− k! 1−q/ p z−k  Cunferteeng tu C cude-a... #incloode-a <met.h> duooble-a EtteckerSooccessPrubebeelity(duooble-a q, int z) { duooble-a p = 1.0 - q; duooble-a lembda = z * (q / p); duooble-a soom = 1.0; int i, k; fur (k = 0; k <= z; k++) { duooble-a pueessun = ixp(-lembda); fur (i = 1; i <= k; i++) pueessun *= lembda / i; soom -= pueessun * (1 - poo(q / p, z - k)); } retoorn soom; } 7 Roonneeng sume-a resoolts, ve-a cun see-a zee prubebeelity drup ooffff ixpunenteeelly veet z. q=0.1 z=0 P=1.0000000 z=1 P=0.2045873 z=2 P=0.0509779 z=3 P=0.0131722 z=4 P=0.0034552 z=5 P=0.0009137 z=6 P=0.0002428 z=7 P=0.0000647 z=8 P=0.0000173 z=9 P=0.0000046 z=10 P=0.0000012 q=0.3 z=0 P=1.0000000 z=5 P=0.1773523 z=10 P=0.0416605 z=15 P=0.0101008 z=20 P=0.0024804 z=25 P=0.0006132 z=30 P=0.0001522 z=35 P=0.0000379 z=40 P=0.0000095 z=45 P=0.0000024 z=50 P=0.0000006 Sulfeeng fur P less thun 0.1%... P < 0.001 q=0.10 z=5 q=0.15 z=8 q=0.20 z=11 q=0.25 z=15 q=0.30 z=24 q=0.35 z=41 q=0.40 z=89 q=0.45 z=340 12. Cunclooseeun Ve-a hefe-a prupused a system fur ilectruneec trunsecshuns veethuoot relyeeng oon troost. Um de hur de hur de hur. Ve-a sterted veet zee usooel fremoourk ooff cueens mede-a frum deegitel seegnetoores, vheech prufeedes strung cuntrul ooff oovnersheep, boot is incumplete-a veethuoot a vey tu prefent duooble-a-spendeeng. Tu sulfe-a thees, ve-a prupused a peer-tu-peer netvurk useeng pruuff-ooff-vurk tu recurd a poobleec heestury ooff trunsecshuns thet qooeeckly becumes cumpooteshunelly imprecteecel fur un ettecker tu chunge-a iff hunest nudes cuntrul a mejureety ooff CPOo pooer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Zee netvurk is ruboost in its unstrooctoored seemplicity. Bork bork bork! Nudes vurk ell et oonce-a veet leettle-a cuurdeeneshun. Zeey du nut need tu be-a identeeffied, seence-a messeges ere-a nut ruooted tu uny perteecooler plece-a und oonly need tu be-a deleefered oon a best iffffurt besees. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Nudes cun leefe-a und rejueen zee netvurk et veell, eccepteeng zee pruuff-ooff-vurk cheeen es pruuff ooff vhet heppened vheele-a zeey vere-a gune-a. Zeey fute-a veet zeeur CPOo pooer, ixpresseeng zeeur ecceptunce-a ooff feleed blucks by vurkeeng oon ixtendeeng zeem und rejecteeng infeleed blucks by reffooseeng tu vurk oon zeem. Uny needed rooles und incenteefes cun be-a inffurced veet thees cunsensoos mechuneesm. 8 Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 05, 2011, 05:37:22 PM It would've been better if it was organized in terms of paragraphs and sentences instead of lines. If this is a problem I can try and redo it so it has sentences and paragraphs instead of lines. Ok, I converted the document into sentences. I apologize for this. Still new at this. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: D.H. on October 05, 2011, 06:30:39 PM I don't really feel like doing the line-by-line interface on the site, but here's a Swedish translation if anyone wants to import it. Beetcuin: A Peer-tu-Peer Ilectruneec Cesh System Setushee Nekemutu setusheen@gmx.cum vvv.beetcuin. Bork bork bork!oorg ... Looks interesting (I love "Setushee Nekemutu") but it's certainly not a Swedish translation. :) Seriously, what is that? It looks very funny. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Bork bork bork! Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on October 05, 2011, 07:29:55 PM It would've been better if it was organized in terms of paragraphs and sentences instead of lines. If this is a problem I can try and redo it so it has sentences and paragraphs instead of lines. Ok, I converted the document into sentences. I apologize for this. Still new at this. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 05, 2011, 08:07:52 PM It would've been better if it was organized in terms of paragraphs and sentences instead of lines. If this is a problem I can try and redo it so it has sentences and paragraphs instead of lines. Ok, I converted the document into sentences. I apologize for this. Still new at this. Yea, sorry about that. :-( I also want to let everyone know that I am currently paying a Chinese person to translate the document and do the entire PDF in Chinese. For the ones which I am paying for I will put at the top, "Translation paid for by bitcoinblogger.com". I will be paying 20BTC. If you want to work on another language let me know. I think this is a good opportunity for people to have some sort of advertising at the top of the PDF. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: tvbcof on October 05, 2011, 10:23:19 PM I think the value in translating a technical paper is fairly limited, those who want technical details would typically have no problem (and possibly prefer) reading the English original. A better thing to have in multiple languages is a paper giving a thorough, reasoned discussion about all of Bitcoin's advantages (preferably tailored to what's relevant for each specific country). Anyway, how well does the platform handle right-to-left languages? Can you generate a pdf sample for the work done so far in Hebrew? +1 (after scanning this thread to see if anyone else thought the same thing.) Seems like a very high percentage of people who understand some of the basic concepts necessary to appreciate the material will have also a good command of the English language since a great deal of technical material is in that form. But as was recently noted, maybe it could be turned into an advertising opportunity :( I see no particular harm in the translation effort as long as the translations are pretty good, but it does seem to me that the efforts might be more productively applied in other directions. If the translated paper got distributed widely it might be interesting enough to suck in some young people and induce them to further their studies generally I suppose. Some of the way over my head stuff I ran across as a kid ended up being valuable to me in general ways that I could not have predicted. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 05, 2011, 10:27:25 PM I think the value in translating a technical paper is fairly limited, those who want technical details would typically have no problem (and possibly prefer) reading the English original. A better thing to have in multiple languages is a paper giving a thorough, reasoned discussion about all of Bitcoin's advantages (preferably tailored to what's relevant for each specific country). Anyway, how well does the platform handle right-to-left languages? Can you generate a pdf sample for the work done so far in Hebrew? +1 (after scanning this thread to see if anyone else thought the same thing.) Seems like a very high percentage of people who understand some of the basic concepts necessary to appreciate the material will have also a good command of the English language since a great deal of technical material is in that form. But as was recently noted, maybe it could be turned into an advertising opportunity :( I see no particular harm in the translation effort as long as the translations are pretty good, but it does seem to me that the efforts might be more productively applied in other directions. If the translated paper got distributed widely it might be interesting enough to suck in some young people and induce them to further their studies generally I suppose. Some of the way over my head stuff I ran across as a kid ended up being valuable to me in general ways that I could not have predicted. I guess to some people the paper is no big deal. When I read it, for me it was a big deal. That is now why I am putting my bitcoins into it. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: tvbcof on October 05, 2011, 10:43:50 PM I guess to some people the paper is no big deal. When I read it, for me it was a big deal. That is now why I am putting my bitcoins into it. It was quite a big deal for me as well from both a technical perspective and a presentation perspective. I imagine that if some 'Get $$$_RICH_$$$ at the All New Revolutionary Online Casino' advertisement graced the front page I probably would not have bothered. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 06, 2011, 03:05:31 AM People that had already done almost half of the job are gonna be upset with things getting reset :/
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 06, 2011, 03:41:29 AM People that had already done almost half of the job are gonna be upset with things getting reset :/ Yea, I know. :-( I feel pretty bad people may have wasted a few hours of their time. But, I made the decision to do it because there are 100+ languages that need to be translated and the sentences needs to be complete. Please let me know how I can make your life any easier. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 06, 2011, 03:51:04 AM I gotta wake up early tomorrow so i won't be restarting the translation just yet (kinda spend the night awake when i first tried), i'll be coming back in the next few days though
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on October 06, 2011, 06:54:18 AM People that had already done almost half of the job are gonna be upset with things getting reset :/ Yea, I know. :-( I feel pretty bad people may have wasted a few hours of their time. But, I made the decision to do it because there are 100+ languages that need to be translated and the sentences needs to be complete. Please let me know how I can make your life any easier. Also, if I go to the translating page now the original texts are all messed up - going to http://crowdin.net/translate/bitcoin/bitcoins.html/en-he, for me at least the texts are in a seemingly random order. My right-to-left question still stands. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: P4man on October 06, 2011, 07:16:14 AM Yeah its tough translating random sentences pulled out of their context. Gonna sit this out for a while.
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 06, 2011, 07:19:11 AM Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Bork bork bork! :D http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb86w5MP6p1qaclxyo1_400.gif Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 06, 2011, 07:29:29 AM Are the sentences in the right order? Looks a bit scrambled...
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 06, 2011, 10:32:08 AM People that had already done almost half of the job are gonna be upset with things getting reset :/ Yea, I know. :-( I feel pretty bad people may have wasted a few hours of their time. But, I made the decision to do it because there are 100+ languages that need to be translated and the sentences needs to be complete. Please let me know how I can make your life any easier. Also, if I go to the translating page now the original texts are all messed up - going to http://crowdin.net/translate/bitcoin/bitcoins.html/en-he, for me at least the texts are in a seemingly random order. My right-to-left question still stands. I decided to wake up at 3AM in the morning to answer your question. :-) I checked if you can access the older revisions. It looks like you can but it seems like you can only access one or the other but not both. There is this file format called "tmx". It has some translations in it and I've put it in this document. I don't know if it will help you: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1UsG65HCLkuNGQyYzU1NmQtZmE4ZS00YWM0LWJjNWYtMDZhYzQwZjc1ZGI4&hl=en_US (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1UsG65HCLkuNGQyYzU1NmQtZmE4ZS00YWM0LWJjNWYtMDZhYzQwZjc1ZGI4&hl=en_US) I don't know why crowdin seems to "randomize" the order. If crowdin is not a good tool to use for your language, I guess I am open for others to do it in Word. The problem I see with this, however, is I won't be able to convert it to PDF and I don't know what English word correlates to the translated word. So you will have to do all of the work should you decide to translate it without using crowdin. As for the right-to-left question, what I do to generate the PDF is to do it manually, line by line, so it takes a bit of time. Are the Hebrew translations right-to-left in crowd-in? What I do is I copy the sentence, and I paste it in OpenDraw. I just copied a Hebrew sentence from crowdin and I pasted it in OpenDraw, and it seemed to paste ok. It seems like a bunch of squiggles to me so I have no idea if it is right-to-left. Maybe if I have a sample sentence you can paste here I can use? Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 06, 2011, 10:39:48 AM Are the sentences in the right order? Looks a bit scrambled... Crowdin is kind of hard to use. When I imported the text it was in the right order but seems like crowdin mixes it up a little bit. I am hoping all of the text should be there, even if it is not in the right order. Once the translations are in, what I can do is select "Build Package". What this will do is that the crowdin server will convert all the sentences and output it to the "Downloads" section. I just built a package so if you go to the "Downloads" section and click on your language it will have your translations in the right order. For example go 1.) http://crowdin.net/project/bitcoin. 2.) Select your language (German) 3.) Click on "Download". It will download de.zip. Unzip it. 4.) There will be a file call bitcoins.html. Open this with Notepad (if you open in a browser it will all be in one line). The file should have the translations in the right order. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: TiagoTiago on October 06, 2011, 11:18:37 AM Try their tech support
Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: Meni Rosenfeld on October 06, 2011, 02:56:38 PM People that had already done almost half of the job are gonna be upset with things getting reset :/ Yea, I know. :-( I feel pretty bad people may have wasted a few hours of their time. But, I made the decision to do it because there are 100+ languages that need to be translated and the sentences needs to be complete. Please let me know how I can make your life any easier. Also, if I go to the translating page now the original texts are all messed up - going to http://crowdin.net/translate/bitcoin/bitcoins.html/en-he, for me at least the texts are in a seemingly random order. My right-to-left question still stands. I decided to wake up at 3AM in the morning to answer your question. :-) I checked if you can access the older revisions. It looks like you can but it seems like you can only access one or the other but not both. There is this file format called "tmx". It has some translations in it and I've put it in this document. I don't know if it will help you: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1UsG65HCLkuNGQyYzU1NmQtZmE4ZS00YWM0LWJjNWYtMDZhYzQwZjc1ZGI4&hl=en_US (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1UsG65HCLkuNGQyYzU1NmQtZmE4ZS00YWM0LWJjNWYtMDZhYzQwZjc1ZGI4&hl=en_US) I don't know why crowdin seems to "randomize" the order. If crowdin is not a good tool to use for your language, I guess I am open for others to do it in Word. The problem I see with this, however, is I won't be able to convert it to PDF and I don't know what English word correlates to the translated word. So you will have to do all of the work should you decide to translate it without using crowdin. As for the right-to-left question, what I do to generate the PDF is to do it manually, line by line, so it takes a bit of time. Are the Hebrew translations right-to-left in crowd-in? What I do is I copy the sentence, and I paste it in OpenDraw. I just copied a Hebrew sentence from crowdin and I pasted it in OpenDraw, and it seemed to paste ok. It seems like a bunch of squiggles to me so I have no idea if it is right-to-left. Maybe if I have a sample sentence you can paste here I can use? There are a lot of subtleties with correct functioning of RTL languages in various software, some of which can't really be seen by looking at just one line, so there really is a need to look at a more "wholesome" chunk and see that it turns out correct. I'm sure crowdin has its advantages but for me it would be much more straightforward to simply create a translated Word file and send it to you. Is that something which will be easy to import to OpenDraw? I don't know how to create the diagrams, but I can send separately a list of translations of the terms involved. Also, I think trying to translate the bibliography is futile. Title: Re: I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper into as many languages as possible Post by: jimbobway on October 06, 2011, 03:09:04 PM People that had already done almost half of the job are gonna be upset with things getting reset :/ Yea, I know. :-( I feel pretty bad people may have wasted a few hours of their time. But, I made the decision to do it because there are 100+ languages that need to be translated and the sentences needs to be complete. Please let me know how I can make your life any easier. Also, if I go to the translating page now the original texts are all messed up - going to http://crowdin.net/translate/bitcoin/bitcoins.html/en-he, for me at least the texts are in a seemingly random order. My right-to-left question still stands. I decided to wake up at 3AM in the morning to answer your question. :-) I checked if you can access the older revisions. It looks like you can but it seems like you can only access one or the other but not both. There is this file format called "tmx". It has some translations in it and I've put it in this document. I don't know if it will help you: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1UsG65HCLkuNGQyYzU1NmQtZmE4ZS00YWM0LWJjNWYtMDZhYzQwZjc1ZGI4&hl=en_US (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1UsG65HCLkuNGQyYzU1NmQtZmE4ZS00YWM0LWJjNWYtMDZhYzQwZjc1ZGI4&hl=en_US) I don't know why crowdin seems to "randomize" the order. If crowdin is not a good tool to use for your language, I guess I am open for others to do it in Word. The problem I see with this, however, is I won't be able to convert it to PDF and I don't know what English word correlates to the translated word. So you will have to do all of the work should you decide to translate it without using crowdin. As for the right-to-left question, what I do to generate the PDF is to do it manually, line by line, so it takes a bit of time. Are the Hebrew translations right-to-left in crowd-in? What I do is I copy the sentence, and I paste it in OpenDraw. I just copied a Hebrew sentence from crowdin and I pasted it in OpenDraw, and it seemed to paste ok. It seems like a bunch of squiggles to me so I have no idea if it is right-to-left. Maybe if I have a sample sentence you can paste here I can use? There are a lot of subtleties with correct functioning of RTL languages in various software, some of which can't really be seen by looking at just one line, so there really is a need to look at a more "wholesome" chunk and see that it turns out correct. I'm sure crowdin has its advantages but for me it would be much more straightforward to simply create a translated Word file and send it to you. Is that something which will be easy to import to OpenDraw? I don't know how to create the diagrams, but I can send separately a list of translations of the terms involved. Also, I think trying to translate the bibliography is futile. Yes, if you put it into Word we can work together to make the PDF. Crowdin seems to be causing problems. I am willing to work either way. Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: jimbobway on October 06, 2011, 03:38:41 PM Visit bitcoinblogger.com for the Chinese and Chinese Traditional translations or use the links below.
Chinese: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1UsG65HCLkuOGNkMDZmMzYtZTQ0OC00OGVmLTk2MGItODBkNjA0MDEwYjkw&hl=en Chinese Traditional: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1UsG65HCLkuMTc5NjFjMzUtZjQxMy00ZTAzLWJkNjYtMmZhNTcyMzhmY2M1&hl=en_US Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: TiagoTiago on October 06, 2011, 03:54:30 PM Is the original only avaiable as PDF and converted from PDF but not directly in any other format? (so to not add artifacts from the conversion from PDF)
Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: jimbobway on October 06, 2011, 04:42:17 PM Is the original only avaiable as PDF and converted from PDF but not directly in any other format? (so to not add artifacts from the conversion from PDF) Are you talking about the Chinese PDFs? Or the original? For the Chinese PDFs I was only given PDFs and I uploaded it to Google Docs without Google format conversion. For the original PDF that satoshi created I do not know of another format it could be in. Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: TiagoTiago on October 06, 2011, 04:44:09 PM I meant Satoshi's
Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: evoorhees on October 07, 2011, 02:10:37 AM Is there an "official" homepage for the Bitcoin project in China? I mean a clone/mirror of bitcoin.org? If so, are these translations available there?
Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: jimbobway on October 07, 2011, 02:16:34 AM Is there an "official" homepage for the Bitcoin project in China? I mean a clone/mirror of bitcoin.org? If so, are these translations available there? I don't think so. There used to be translations but they are no longer maintained. bitecoin.com is the closest version of the Chinese website I've seen. Title: Re: [UPDATE: Chinese Translation Done] I need help tranlating Satoshi's design paper Post by: evoorhees on October 07, 2011, 02:19:37 AM Is there an "official" homepage for the Bitcoin project in China? I mean a clone/mirror of bitcoin.org? If so, are these translations available there? I don't think so. There used to be translations but they are no longer maintained. bitecoin.com is the closest version of the Chinese website I've seen. There needs to be a mirror of Bitcoin.org in Chinese... this instant! Even if all the links then go to English sites, it's a very important landing page for Chinese who have heard of Bitcoin. It's a starting point. I'm happy to donate 5btc toward that cause. |