Bitcoin Forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWP80VUn6I

Alright, here I am again with the video I promised. I am going to discuss several things:

1. The criticisms of my first video and Bitcoin.

2. Bitcoin today, the decline, etc.

3. Project Mainstream - Marketing Bitcoin and how we are going to begin. This will be detailed below.

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Project Mainstream, Phase 1

Main Objective: Provide Bitcoin with significant economic activity by direct marketing on grounds of principle and sound money.

Phase 1 Abstract: Educate passionate grassroots supporters through the fringe news organization InfoWars and its host Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is a internet-based news organization that caters to a libertarian, conspiracy-minded crowd.

http://infowars.com

http://static.infowars.com/ads/mediakit_public.pdf - Media Packet.

Why Alex Jones? Isn't the goal getting the mainstream to use Bitcoin?

Yes, it is but we must first capture the group that we barely have a fraction of: Passionate, politically-active and liberty-minded individuals who want a sound monetary system. If we capture the political grassroots, we can gradually ease Bitcoin into the mainstream. Capturing the Alex Jone's audience will be quite a feat and not a difficult one considering Bitcoin has the same traits as Gold and Silver. It's scarce, it's easily transferable and it's decentralized in its discovery. The major and outstanding difference is the fact that its anonymously and perceptibly instantaneously transferable across the internet. These people will love this, they want to be prepared for the future and the want in on the next big thing.

Bitcoin is THEIR product and WE'RE going to give it to them.

What do we need?

Product and Pricing Information - We need to know what we want in terms of ad placement and cost. I will be retrieving this information in the coming days. (Weekends generally aren't workdays for marketing departments.)

Website and/or Escrow Support - We are going to need a good amount of money to get ads placed and thus we are going to need a higher-level campaign to raise said funds. This means we need to have a reputable escrow company or individual to hold the donations along with a secure web page to solicit them on. A simple meter showing money raised will suffice.

Advertisements - We need informative Bitcoin image ads in the dimensions of 750 x 60, 580 x 100, 335 x 205, 340 x 169 pixels made for the InfoWars.com webpage. The ads have to cater to the audience and that means references to the Gold and Silver-like qualities of Bitcoin and how it aims to achieve a decentralized and sound monetary system.

A radio ad screenplay for a 30 second or so clip is also requested--again--voicing the philosophy of Bitcoin and how it challenges the central banking system.

Call to Action Website - Finally, we need a website to link to our advertisements telling people about Bitcoin, it's value and so forth while focusing on its financial and political aspects.

If you're capable and interested in fulfilling the desires above, state your interest and skills below and contact me for more information.

I will be providing more information and planning in the near future. I have only briefly described what we are calling individuals to act on and to elaborate a bit further, it's to get them to invest in Bitcoins and spend it intimately with the few services we have at the moment. I'll elaborate on exactly what we wish to voice soon.

So, in the short term, let's get started and see what we have to offer as a group! I am unequivocally asking for a coordinated effort here, that will certainly pay off if 1) you're holding Bitcoins and 2) if you want to see a freer monetary system.

I have to admit, I like Atlas's speaking tone. I can easily picture him giving a Ted Talk.

You've already said it.  They're conspiracy minded folks who may bring a bad image to bitcoin.

I, for one, am happy to hear that the bitcoin community will be joining forces with Alex Jones to oppose the reptilian menace.

E: how the hell does your audio get so badly desynched in 6 minute video?

Have there actually been any fringe ideas advanced by Alex Jones that have entered the mainstream? Whether or not he's right or wrong on a specific subject, I think him taking a position on an issue actually tends to make it less popular with the public, given his history.

Outside of people that believe everything they hear on Coast to Coast AM, nope. It would actually be counter productive mainstream wise to try and get people like Alex Jones in on it. It would be like trying to launch a new brand of juice with Jim Jones as the spokesperson.

We go from Bruce Wagner to Alex Jones?

I thought the goal was to rescue bitcoin and turn things around?

That was actually my first thought, why does everyone ignore ignore any existing outreach projects and thing we always need a new one?
Also a larger community doesn't bring stability, look at wallst or existing comodities like gold/silver i sold some silver coins at 40/ounce a month ago it's ~30 now

His following has grown collectively by word-of-mouth. If anything, Bitcoin will at least gain traction within this group which will still build the adoption rate. This is not in vain if it does nothing to build mainstream adoption. It will only build the currency as a whole which is a step closer to having something stable and more easily adoptable.

That fluctuation in price is only due to our current economic instability. There's a lot humbug surrounding gold and silver right now. An emotional price is only expected but it doesn't change the fact that it's sound money with intrinsic backing.

i have opinions on the subject i will not state in this post.

although i think its a good first step to get the word out.

I don't know about Alex Jones specifically, but you do know that the crowd that he is with is one that is big on buying gold and silver in part because USD is no longer backed by gold. You would have to work really hard to convince him to start using a currency that isn't backed by anything, is easy to trace by means of blockexplorers, and wouldn't work in a post-apolitical world with internet and power outages (which is also the reason why people are buying gold and silver: they can still be traded if the world goes to shit.)

Better off just letting it grow on its own by getting more merchants and people interested in on it, and using it.

Somehow, something just dawn on me after I read this post. Alex Jones has a direct and indirect vested interests in gold and silver. I believe one of his main sources of income is from the advertising of such. By plugging Bitcoin, some money would flow to it oppose to the gold advertisers. A million bucks going towards Bitcoin and not to the advertisers would put a dent in his income for he's not apt to get a return by promoting Bitcoin. (sorry if this post is choppy, but you all see my jest, I assume).

So this really isn't an ironical thread?

Alex Jones?

Seriously?

It's not about Alex Jones. It's about his audience. The fact is that it consists of people that will help build Bitcoin.

Do you know about the types of people who are attracted to his insane ramblings? Do you think that the saviours of bitcoins are going to come from the ranks of Alex Jones followers? Paranoid schizophrenic tin-foil wearing conspiracy nutjobs?

I'm sorry kid, but you are so ignorant and deluded if you think this is a good idea.

I think it's time to put this idea onto the scrap pile along with all the others.

If you have 10 different people promoting bitcoin, then they will attract 10 different types of listeners.

But if you shut the first guy up when he tries to speak, then where will be 0 promoters.

The negative response in thread sounds like the poster hates both freedom of speech as well as bitcoin promotions. I sincerely hope that's not the case.

Instead of criticizing Alex, why not make your own videos?

far easier to capitalize from an already very known persons success than to create your own success i guess.

I would almost suggest going with mark Levin instead. He's more plain libertarian, and at least nowhere nearly as cooky or controversian as Alex. Though if you are looking for an audience of fanatics, you can't beat Alex or Rush.

My only major concern is that doing this may make some businesses decide not to use Bitcoin because it may become "controversial," and businesses tend to avoid political and religious issues. It's still a sound idea though...

sure, why not.

lets get an insane, glorified morning show dj, to talk about bitcoins in-between conspiracy theory rants about alien lizard-people.....

that'll help.

yup.






maybe next we can get meth-riddled hobos to yell out the merits of bitcoins at passing traffic?

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10481168.jpg

How to get sane people to like Bitcoin? MORE CRAZY PEOPLE!

Sincerely,
Atlas

Idea#2 for mainstream Bitcoin acceptance: retroactively edit the Unabomber Manifesto to include numerous mentions of Bitcoin and distribute it widely.

Idea#3: Make a podcast where you spend 5 minutes eagerly defending the Confederate States of America and comparing their noble cause to that of Bitcoin. Oh wait. Atlas already did that one.

wait...what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPVCjCmSeIo

Unremorsefully, yes. Crazy people tend to be great activists and spend money on novel things.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=register2

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I think my comment about the $5 thing flew straight over your head like an F-16. It's not about the actual dollar value of it to me, it's about the purchasing power - that's why the developing frame of reference (decimated by yesterday's slump, but whatever) was kind of neat. The only time I care about the dollar value of Bitcoin is when it comes time to pay taxes. Pegging it to a particular USD amount does the opposite of that - it seems like just yesterday bread was 89c, now it's $1.25.

You mentioned it can't "just stay at $5" because when more people start putting money into it then the value has to go up - that's fine, I get that. My problem is that you then use some weird, obscure, and circular logic to imply that in order to have a healthy economy it needs to go up, and that to do that it needs more money injected. Either the money coming in to the economy is an unavoidable consequence of people using it, or it's something to be forced in order to project stability.

My comment had very little to do with the actual dollar-value of BTC, and everything to do with stability in buying power. I realize that due to the linear, predetermined rate of inflation and the decidedly non-linear rate at which people and value will enter the economy... that stability is hard to come by, and that that's where speculators come in to smooth things out.

But that's not the same thing as "we need to sell it to more people" and tying success to speculation and an ever rising price. When all you do is pump the price and encourage more speculation and say "buy Bitcoin!" it comes off as a scam, and that's the reason for the piss-poor take-up. Worst of all, with the type of audience you lust after right now, it could go either way. They could be rabid in helping it succeed, or they could be rabid in attempting to destroy it. I'm betting the latter when you consider the audience and that your best marketing still basically boils down to "think how rich we can all be, act now while there's still time."

Atlas, could you give us a rundown of all the bitcoin projects you've proposed and where they all stand right now?

I'm still working on the Woolong Device.

YEAH!! that alone would be a huge addition

Good work on the website - http://www.woolongfinancial.com/

I liked it better when it was hosting gay porn.

Immanual was hosting gay porn?  :-X
Not that it matters of course, but I wouldn't have thought that he'd be the type to run a porn site.

I do not own nor am I associated with http://woolongfinancial.com in any way.

I'm really confused now. I thought that was your company? It has your video on the site?

Awwww, I wanted to hear about the redundant decentralized databases.  Are you telling me they don't actually exist?

I think our best luck would be with the occupy wall-street crowd. They are fast growing, technology minded, and willing to move for their cause. They are not Libertarians, so our arguments should not be 'Its like gold' or 'the government doesn't control it', we should take the peoples currency route, all the current payment solutions, other can cash, require large corporations. If we present bitcoin as an alternative to corporate-controlled credit cards and paypal then i think we could bring some serious attention to Bitcoin. Furthermore this should probably be our approach all around, its generally easier to inspire passion and distaste against corporations then it is against the government. Bitcoin needs to be marketed as a replacement for credit cards, not cash, that's something we have to take on later, much much later.  
  

Look at the writing and tell me it's legitimate with a straight face.

It initially read like your writing, but on 2nd reading, I see what you mean ;)

...and the other projects?

Unremorsefully exited, funds returned, etc.

There are a ton of things on that website which should have screamed "parody" at people, but the thing which amuses me most is that no-one seemed to think that a Nassau PO Box was an odd choice despite knowing that Immanuel is located in the US.  Even if people thought the site was genuine, that should have been a huge red flag demanding explanation.