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Title: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Halminer on July 24, 2018, 12:32:26 PM
So Pangolin has 2 new miners for presale on their website.

The BTC miner is a 33TH unit running at 2145W - for $1999

Quote
Weight
8.5 kg

Algorithm   
SHA-256

Chips Process Technology   
16nm FinFET Compact or Better


Hashrate   
33.0 Th/s (+-6%)

Power Consumption   
2145W @ 33th/s (+-10%)

Environment Temperature   
0℃ to 45℃

Warranty   
180 days after shipment

How are they getting these results using 16nm ?

(not sure why they put "or better" in there - dont they know what processors they are using ?)

Thoughts ?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: rifleman74 on July 24, 2018, 02:53:40 PM
Thoughts ?

Look at the amount of wattage it uses. Yikes.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on July 24, 2018, 03:10:21 PM
How are they getting these results using 16nm ?

(not sure why they put "or better" in there - don't they know what processors they are using ?)
Thoughts ?
Easy, just check out the overclocking threads for the s9: given the right voltage, freq tweaks and decent cooling they can run in the same per-chip hash rates.

As for the 'or better' I suspect they are either using multiple foundries for their chips or as the 16nm node further matures are anticipating at least 1 more process improvement for the node.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 24, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
so they do 2145/33000 = 0.065 per gh?

and are really by far the best most efficient miner ever made?

So if you purchased the GMO miner  at .082 per gh you got crushed by this miner.

The M10 is like a freaking beast


btw bitmain has dropped the s9i down under 600 to 564


https://pangolinminer.com/

M10 rules  if this is true.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Halminer on July 24, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
so they do 2145/33000 = 0.065 per gh?

and are really by far the best most efficient miner ever made?

So if you purchased the GMO miner  at .082 per gh you got crushed by this miner.

The M10 is like a freaking beast


btw bitmain has dropped the s9i down under 600 to 564


https://pangolinminer.com/

M10 rules  if this is true.

My thoughts exactly. Right now, the M10s have the best specs out there. And the price is pretty good.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on July 24, 2018, 08:47:08 PM
I'd be leery on a presale. Just look at the M3 that went from almost $2k to under $300 from price wars and market fluctuation. Was a nice pump and dump. Glad I sold all mine shortly after receiving. They used more power than advertised too. Bitmain or Canaan has to be releasing something more efficient to start new price war for GMO and this. Someone will most likely be shipping something better/cheaper before these and GMO even start shipping.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 25, 2018, 03:43:54 AM
I'd be leery on a presale. Just look at the M3 that went from almost $2k to under $300 from price wars and market fluctuation. Was a nice pump and dump. Glad I sold all mine shortly after receiving. They used more power than advertised too. Bitmain or Canaan has to be releasing something more efficient to start new price war for GMO and this. Someone will most likely be shipping something better/cheaper before these and GMO even start shipping.

The s9i is 544 with a 100 dollar coupon. 4 days out

The m10 is 2200 with shipping 70 days out

Tough call to spend 2200 on a preorder


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 25, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
Yea, destroys the the b3. 33th is nice but over 3300w. This is more in line what we're talking about efficiency wise in one of the other speculation threads.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on July 25, 2018, 04:35:38 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2390138.msg42861780#msg42861780

This was confirmed more quick than I thought.

Me and Philip will do a review for the WhatsMiner M10.
Philip will do videos like he mentioned and I will do a review document as usual.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 25, 2018, 06:06:26 PM
Yea, destroys the the b3. 33th is nice but over 3300w. This is more in line what we're talking about efficiency wise in one of the other speculation threads.

this m10 is the most efficient miner ever built. (claimed not proven yet)

I am truly looking forward  to giving it a good testing and demo.

If it is under 0.070 a gh  and does at least 30th it would still be the best miner ever built.

I also hope that they   create a lower speed optional firmware.

They made firmware for the M3x  to save power see below

https://pangolinminer.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007140454-Low-power-Firmware-for-M3X-release

An option like this for the new miner would be good for some of us.

The ability to lower power to 1800 watts on low speed and say 27.3th
vs 2145 watts  on high speed and say 33th  would really make this gear a winner


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Raymond_B on July 25, 2018, 09:47:48 PM
I'll be interested to see what the real power draw is. My old M3s were pulling 2400W each vs the advertised 2000W.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: sarcheer on July 25, 2018, 10:23:01 PM
Specs do say +-10% on power draw...


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Raymond_B on July 25, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
Yes they do, but +10% on 2000W is 2200W, not 2400W... That's 400W over between the two.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 26, 2018, 12:04:36 AM
Yes they do, but +10% on 2000W is 2200W, not 2400W... That's 400W over between the two.

even at 2400watt on the wall

2400/33000 = 0.072727272 watts per gh which is better then anything else

time will tell  I will do detail videos on it in the garage and in the solar array  I will meter it in both places

I will also attempt to test other psu's if at all possible.

I have a 2400 watt psu
I have a 2500 watt psu
I have a 2880 watt psu
I have a 2980 watt psu

along with the stock attached psu.

I am waiting for a contact email  as Hagss setup it up and I should hear from them soon.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Raymond_B on July 26, 2018, 12:09:41 AM
My point got a little lost, I simply meant I am dubious of their power ratings.

Yes even at 2400W this current model would be nice, hopefully it stays in this range.

I hope I am wrong as my M3s were excellent miners and this one looks awesome.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 26, 2018, 12:28:36 AM
My point got a little lost, I simply meant I am dubious of their power ratings.

Yes even at 2400W this current model would be nice, hopefully it stays in this range.

I hope I am wrong as my M3s were excellent miners and this one looks awesome.

Well my M3 did just about exactly as advertised.  They sent me and Hagss testers to demo..

So frankly we hope this will be the same.

We will let you know  when we get them.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 29, 2018, 03:26:32 AM
We've never had a request for a whatsminer. Personally I don't know much about them. Pangolin is the place though? Reputable? We'll want to list the M10 probably wait another month on the altcoin asic. Nov is so far off in this world.

We're just very confused as Pangolin hasn't responded to us at all.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 29, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
We've never had a request for a whatsminer. Personally I don't know much about them. Pangolin is the place though? Reputable? We'll want to list the M10 probably wait another month on the altcoin asic. Nov is so far off in this world.

We're just very confused as Pangolin hasn't responded to us at all.

They are not ready as of now.  So they may not have wanted to list with you at this time.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 29, 2018, 01:24:07 PM
Pangolin is the manufacturer or a reseller?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 29, 2018, 11:01:11 PM
Pangolin is the manufacturer or a reseller?

Try shooting HagssFin a pm he would know more then me.

Last dec he set the Demos up.  I did the YouTube videos and he did the write up on the M3.

We each got a demo machine.  We paid for them they were sent early at a very small discount to us.  But that was when Btc was to the moon 19900 usd if I recall


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on July 30, 2018, 12:37:56 AM
Pangolinminer is the overseas sales team for WhatsMiner company.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Shazam!!! on July 30, 2018, 12:45:41 AM
I figured once they started working with 16nm, Pangolinminer would come up with something decent. I never had
any issues with my M3's, and Pangolinminer was easy to deal with. Still a breath of fresh air, to have another company
in this market.

@HagssFIN and philipma

Looking forward to seeing you guys in action again!!! Keep up the great work fellas!!!


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on July 30, 2018, 12:50:41 AM
I figured once they started working with 16nm, Pangolinminer would come up with something decent. I never had
any issues with my M3's, and Pangolinminer was easy to deal with. Still a breath of fresh air, to have another company
in this market.

@HagssFIN and philipma

Looking forward to seeing you guys in action again!!! Keep up the great work fellas!!!

Will be nice to test this one out.  under 70 watts a th  will be something if it does it.

Back in 2012 

500 watts a gh  or 500,000 watts a th  this was with gpu mining my 7970's  used about 170watts and did 333mh under clocked.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 30, 2018, 04:27:30 AM
Pangolinminer is the overseas sales team for WhatsMiner company.

We'll continue to reach out. Is Whatsminer.net their official website?

@HagssFIN and philipma

Looking forward to seeing you guys in action again!!! Keep up the great work fellas!!!

This is reason we're not doing technical reviews but blog styled overviews. I couldn't stress more here that the community has this covered, glad they listened. I'm pushing for putting links to Haggs and phil's work's in correlation to our blogs. We'll see how those conversations go.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on July 31, 2018, 03:46:50 PM
We'll continue to reach out. Is Whatsminer.net their official website?

Their website is http://www.pangolinminer.com


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on July 31, 2018, 03:52:22 PM
Their website is http://www.pangolinminer.com

Thanks, whatsminer.net looks like a scam site ftw.

If you're comfortable PM'ing contact info to your rep there please do. Still hitting a brick wall with them.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on July 31, 2018, 03:54:28 PM
Thanks, whatsminer.net looks like a scam site ftw.

If you're comfortable PM'ing contact info to your rep there please do. Still hitting a brick wall with them.

You can try contacting PangolinminerLaurent by using the Telegram app.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: deke997 on August 11, 2018, 09:33:47 PM
I still don't understand how Whatsminer was able to achieve efficiency on par with 7nm tech while using 16nm!

Someone mentioned overclocking, but it's pretty hard to believe that they got almost twice as efficient from overclocking alone. If this is how they did it, does that mean that the M10 probably couldn't be overclocked further by the end user?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on August 12, 2018, 12:49:05 AM
You've understood it a little wrong. Overclocking has close to nothing to do with achieving a better power efficiency.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on August 12, 2018, 01:10:00 AM
I still don't understand how Whatsminer was able to achieve efficiency on par with 7nm tech while using 16nm!

Someone mentioned overclocking, but it's pretty hard to believe that they got almost twice as efficient from overclocking alone. If this is how they did it, does that mean that the M10 probably couldn't be overclocked further by the end user?

Okay they got a m3 using 28nm to do about 166 watts a th

The antminer s7 did about 250 watts a th so they were more then 30% better


So the s9i does about 96 watts a th on a 16nm chip

An improvement of 30% would be about 67 watts a th on a 16 nm chip.

Since they did 30% once they may be able to do it again.


Your idea of overclocking it is like me insisting to drive my Kia Forte at 162 kilometer per hour.

Or 100 miles an hour if American .


What I find interesting is if they succeed on the 16nm chip.

And the 7nm chip does 65 watts per then will they drop that to 45 watts.  but that would be the the m13 in 2020 ;D



Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: jackzealot on August 15, 2018, 12:48:24 AM
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/OtOmsQdtJW6oEu6PpVsEYQ

looks like they just release a Chinese review yesterday and M10 has become true, WOW~

There is a English video review, enjoy
https://v.qq.com/x/page/k0756ahoh7d.html?start=15


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on August 17, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/OtOmsQdtJW6oEu6PpVsEYQ

looks like they just release a Chinese review yesterday and M10 has become true, WOW~

There is a English video review, enjoy
https://v.qq.com/x/page/k0756ahoh7d.html?start=15

Very little detail.  Haggs will have a lot more and my youtube videos will also have a lot of detail.

I do look forward to testing it.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Sierra8561 on August 22, 2018, 08:14:02 AM
Their website is http://www.pangolinminer.com

Thanks, whatsminer.net looks like a scam site ftw.

If you're comfortable PM'ing contact info to your rep there please do. Still hitting a brick wall with them.

Just to confirm, whatsminer.net IS NOT THE OFFICIAL SITE? sucks you have to be so careful these days. I can only imagine the horror of sending funds to a scam site. It could financially ruin people. Thank God for this forum doing what it takes to spread correct information.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: vincl on August 31, 2018, 09:35:05 AM
default about 30TH, but you can change voltage and overclock it.

slushpool isnt supported yet


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: sarcheer on August 31, 2018, 01:45:47 PM
slushpool isnt supported yet

Source for this? I'm not even sure why it would be the case...


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: vincl on August 31, 2018, 02:01:21 PM
Source for this? I'm not even sure why it would be the case...

my colleague is testing this miner atm. only 200-500GH reported. other pools work fine. i already contacted slush about that


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: sarcheer on August 31, 2018, 02:31:05 PM
Thats crazy, intrigued about what might be the problem.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on August 31, 2018, 02:48:21 PM
default about 30TH, but you can change voltage and overclock it.

slushpool isnt supported yet

I was not contacted for demo unit to review it.
I would want to test one myself.

While it is nice that 30th can overclock I would like to know if it underclocks .

If it does not work at slush it may have something to do with asicboost support on that pool.

So ckpool is asicboost
Bitminter is asicboost

Does the miner work on those pools?

F2pool also supports asicboost, it would be very interesting if the miner does not like any of those pools.

Lastly Kano supports asicboost he claims he fixed a bug in pool software for asicboost.

It would be interesting to see if he is the only asicboost pool that does well with this miner.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on August 31, 2018, 02:58:00 PM
I will ask in Monday if Pangolinminer guys have any news for me and you Philip.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on August 31, 2018, 03:00:11 PM
I will ask in Monday if Pangolinminer guys have any news for me and you Philip.

Thanks Matti



Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on August 31, 2018, 03:08:27 PM
I guess they haven't responded to our requests. :/

Hopefully we can list but since we've never done business with them before we'll be pretty conservative working with a company that can't reply for weeks and counting.  

Edit: Selfishly I want one. How many of these is safe for my 240v 30A line? 2-3 units?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on August 31, 2018, 03:12:45 PM
@minefarmbuy
2 units.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on August 31, 2018, 03:35:04 PM
Thanks HF. I guess a good winter project will be rerunning thicker gauge. I'd like to have 4 units per line. Simple math would make that 60A and 6 gauge wire I imagine.

We'll probably have to wait for units to land and reviews to come out before we web it. I think sales has placed a few special requests already though. Production might be tight for them since their second batch is listed two months out from September batch.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Raymond_B on August 31, 2018, 04:08:40 PM
Thanks HF. I guess a good winter project will be rerunning thicker gauge. I'd like to have 4 units per line. Simple math would make that 60A and 6 gauge wire I imagine.

We'll probably have to wait for units to land and reviews to come out before we web it. I think sales has placed a few special requests already though. Production might be tight for them since their second batch is listed two months out from September batch.

Honestly it would most likely be more economical to run additional 30A circuits. PDUs are cheaper, wiring is cheaper, etc.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: vincl on August 31, 2018, 07:28:53 PM
I guess they haven't responded to our requests. :/

Hopefully we can list but since we've never done business with them before we'll be pretty conservative working with a company that can't reply for weeks and counting.  

Edit: Selfishly I want one. How many of these is safe for my 240v 30A line? 2-3 units?

haha we are in the same boat. my company want to order samples, too but they dont reply on wechat xD i think they dont want our money


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on August 31, 2018, 08:21:19 PM
haha we are in the same boat. my company want to order samples, too but they dont reply on wechat xD i think they dont want our money

Tried getting a quote in past for investor with 1,500 megawatts and no response. Probably for the best though cause everyone else's gear prices plummeted shortly after.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: elokk on September 01, 2018, 03:08:02 AM
Their website is http://www.pangolinminer.com

Thanks, whatsminer.net looks like a scam site ftw.

If you're comfortable PM'ing contact info to your rep there please do. Still hitting a brick wall with them.

from what I understand, pangolinminer is based in Hong Kong so all warranty claims will need to be shipped there

pangolin miner is NOT the manufacturer. ShenMa/Bitewei Is the Manufacturer and run by former Bitmain engineer Yang Zuo Xing

whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on September 04, 2018, 05:30:20 PM
First batch pre-order shipment date changed from 09/20/2018 to 10/25/2018. Was thinking about grabbing one when delivery was September, but most likely won't now.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 04, 2018, 05:37:28 PM
First batch pre-order shipment date changed from 09/20/2018 to 10/25/2018. Was thinking about grabbing one when delivery was September, but most likely won't now.

I may get a test unit around sept 18-21.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 04, 2018, 05:39:54 PM
from what I understand, pangolinminer is based in Hong Kong so all warranty claims will need to be shipped there

pangolin miner is NOT the manufacturer. ShenMa/Bitewei Is the Manufacturer and run by former Bitmain engineer Yang Zuo Xing

whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims

Yes.

Pangolinminer has an official joint venture with Whatsminer,
they are a overseas distributor. https://pangolinminer.com/cooperate/

I may get a test unit around sept 18-21.

Same here. I have not heard about delays. Maybe they sold out the first batch?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on September 04, 2018, 06:06:55 PM
Same here. I have not heard about delays. Maybe they sold out the first batch?

They changed the dates everywhere for first batch and lowered the price by $100. I guess only those who placed an order for September 20 would know if there's a delay or not. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the M3 pre-order where they are unprofitable by the time you receive them.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Biffa on September 05, 2018, 09:04:28 AM
Support says the September batch is sold out and the Oct/Nov batches are new runs


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: FatAnt on September 05, 2018, 09:15:22 AM
whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims

I have had half of my M3's (1 of 2) go bad. Dead hash board.  After initiating warranty claim on their website, you're directed to a Telegram channel for support via TeamViewer.  The Florida address seems useless.  I asked about sending to FL address, but was directed to ship failed board to China (confusing address has to be 100% correct or they claim to not know where it went).  They eventually found it and sent a replacement - turnaround time is about a month.

They could really improve their reputation by getting their Florida address operational for North American support.
 Even if their hash boards  have a high failure rate, if they can get the turnaround time closer to a week instead of a month it'd still be worth it.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 05, 2018, 12:43:43 PM
Support says the September batch is sold out and the Oct/Nov batches are new runs
Ok so it means that my guess was right.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on September 05, 2018, 04:01:42 PM
Support says the September batch is sold out and the Oct/Nov batches are new runs

November batch was always listed. Anyone here order a September batch? I see them listed still on whatsminer.net also with October batch.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Gimberg on September 05, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
Doesn't anyone thinks it's a bit weird that GMO's miner B3 is an 7nm architecture, does ~33TH@3300w and the Whatsminer M10 is at 16nm and does ~33TH@2100w?

I'm a bit sceptic  ???


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Chris_Farms on September 06, 2018, 12:48:01 PM
Obviously the size of the chip isnt the only factor in power efficiency.  Keep in mind the guy behind WHatsminer M10 is the famous engineer behind the Antminer S7 & S9 chips who was and still is one of the most reliable and effective chips on the market since 2016.

I wouldnt be surprised if he managed to make is 16nm chip design even more efficient.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on September 06, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
Doesn't anyone thinks it's a bit weird that GMO's miner B3 is an 7nm architecture, does ~33TH@3300w and the Whatsminer M10 is at 16nm and does ~33TH@2100w?
Not weird at all. GMO tried to be first out of the gate using 7nm and as a result their designs are based on highly immature process technology. As is always the case the results -- suck. Whatsminer simply repeated what they did in the past - wait for the processes behind any given node size to mature and then take advantage of the usually very substantial performance gains seen vs results from 1st gen production or in the case of GMO what was not even that. GMO was touting their proof-of-principle/engineering testing chips as production items.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 06, 2018, 02:15:03 PM
Doesn't anyone thinks it's a bit weird that GMO's miner B3 is an 7nm architecture, does ~33TH@3300w and the Whatsminer M10 is at 16nm and does ~33TH@2100w?

I'm a bit sceptic  ???

the m3  does 160 watts per 1th

the s7 does 250 watts per 1th

same guy  made these chips he did a chip that uses 64%  of the s7

so the s9 does 100 watts per 1th

so the m10  at 64% of that would be 64 watts per 1th

since the same guy  built or helped to build all of these chips  it makes sense to me this chip/m10 could do 60 to 70 watts a th at an efficiency setting

It is why HagssFIN and I are eager to run tests on them.

At the moment  the most efficient miner  I have tested is  the Innosilicon T2Turbo  I get 80-82 watts a th on efficient setting.
If this gear drops me under 70 I will be getting it in larger amounts then just 1 unit.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Mammon is back! on September 06, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
Lol, and yet another worthless miner! However people seems to be fine with these products and keep buying ???

33TH does 0,0012 BTC a day, and again presume you have FREE energy (however, we all have to pay this...)
0,0012 x 365 = 0,438 BTC a year. Roughly taken the hashpower (at least) triples every year, so earnings \3
0,438\3= 0,146 BTC in the first 365 days.
Next year = 0,146\3 = 0,0486 BTC in the second year, makes a total of 0,1946 BTC to mine with this -thing- in 2 years.
(and with FREE energy)

1788 dollar + 117 dollar shipping = 1905 dollar = 0,2985 BTC

Total LOSS in 2 years with FREE energy: -0,09 BTC!

WOW, what a marvellous product ;)


I think we have past the point that buying miners with Crypto is no longer viable.
I stick to my BTC and will not buy any miners if even ROI cannot be made.
Why buy this kinda miners and lower the amount of BTC (LTC\ETH\etc.) you hodl?

You're even better of buying BTC now and skip mining!


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 06, 2018, 02:27:07 PM
@mammon

Yeah, it is quite hard at the moment.

The M10 will be one of the best miners, if not the best in power efficiency,
but I agree that they would need to adjust the price in this current situation.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Mammon is back! on September 06, 2018, 02:35:51 PM
Well, if this is the best they can do and you cannot make ROI  ???


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 06, 2018, 02:54:14 PM
That's why I said it would be a good thing if they would adjust the miner price.

And you also need very cheap electricity at the moment to be able to have profit.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Gimberg on September 06, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
Hmm, well let's hope people get it soon I'm really curious since I pre-ordered a B3 miner. I'm also now thinking about pre-ordering a m10 but the company doesn't seem as stable/"legit" as GMO in my opinion. But I also hate pre-oredering becuse of the difficulty adjustments.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 06, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
long preorders are death to miners that is for sure.

and bitmain just cranks out  s9j for 388 + 80 to ship = 468 -55 coupon cost is 413 a miner  that is only good for people with 3 and 4 cent power.

If you buy 2 s9j for 776 + 126 to ship = 902 -110 coupons = 792 or 396 a miner.  This move is killing bitcoin as only large farms with dirt cheap power can buy it.

The solar array with buysolar and me always makes power  as it is paid off and maintenance is under 1 cent a kwatt.  but it only does 14 to 20 kwatts so that is 10 s9's in the winter

or 7 of these m10's

but  10 s9's = 140th
7 of these = 210 th

we have a hard call coming  do we load up on these or not.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on September 06, 2018, 06:15:45 PM
Hmm, well let's hope people get it soon I'm really curious since I pre-ordered a B3 miner. I'm also now thinking about pre-ordering a m10 but the company doesn't seem as stable/"legit" as GMO in my opinion. But I also hate pre-oredering becuse of the difficulty adjustments.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)
More stable and 'legit'? Have you even bothered to read the 1st few pages of the threads about the GMO miners?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Gimberg on September 06, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)
More stable and 'legit'? Have you even bothered to read the 1st few pages of the threads about the GMO miners?

Not quite sure what you are reffering to but with "more legit" I mean that they are a stable company based in Japan and have their european side based in Switzerland which is better than just ordering from a Chinese manufacture with paying in advance.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 06, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Bitewei/Whatsminer is much more better in miner engineering than GMO.

That's a stupid statement to say that a company is more stable and trustworthy because it is located somewhere else than China. Just plain stupid.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Gimberg on September 06, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Bitewei/Whatsminer is much more better in miner engineering than GMO.

That's a stupid statement to say that a company is more stable and trustworthy because it is located somewhere else than China. Just plain stupid.

Well it's just not somewhere else it's Japan. I'm pretty sure companies also has more legal obligation regarding the manufactiuring/selling and better consumer protection laws than China.
I'm not saying their hardware, software or even intention is better but if I just want to buy a miner as an enthusiast I still would've gone with them but I'm still considering buying the M10 too. :)


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: elokk on September 06, 2018, 10:17:14 PM
Lol, and yet another worthless miner! However people seems to be fine with these products and keep buying ???

33TH does 0,0012 BTC a day, and again presume you have FREE energy (however, we all have to pay this...)
0,0012 x 365 = 0,438 BTC a year. Roughly taken the hashpower (at least) triples every year, so earnings \3
0,438\3= 0,146 BTC in the first 365 days.
Next year = 0,146\3 = 0,0486 BTC in the second year, makes a total of 0,1946 BTC to mine with this -thing- in 2 years.
(and with FREE energy)

1788 dollar + 117 dollar shipping = 1905 dollar = 0,2985 BTC

Total LOSS in 2 years with FREE energy: -0,09 BTC!

WOW, what a marvellous product ;)


I think we have past the point that buying miners with Crypto is no longer viable.
I stick to my BTC and will not buy any miners if even ROI cannot be made.
Why buy this kinda miners and lower the amount of BTC (LTC\ETH\etc.) you hodl?

You're even better of buying BTC now and skip mining!


Buying hardware with free Ebay bucks, free Amazon gift cards, etc is an option for some. Customer loyalty program earnings reinvested


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 07, 2018, 11:11:27 AM
Status update:
My M10 review unit will be shipped out in Monday.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Biffa on September 07, 2018, 11:30:56 AM
Status update:
My M10 review unit will be shipped out in Monday.

Very cool, looking forward to your review


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 07, 2018, 11:30:45 PM
That's some good communication to notify you that it's about to be shipped. I guess they are for review/breakdown. Is philip's on the way to? Wish we're getting a demo, makes it easier to sell to buyers when we've seen it can perform. We don't care to keep anything, just run it, pull it apart and ship it back since as a company we don't mine.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 08, 2018, 10:32:06 AM
Pangolinminer guys are testing the miner,
WhatsMiner M10 hashing live at 34Th/s.
https://youtu.be/JZh837bEDWg

It is looking very promising. :)


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 08, 2018, 03:20:00 PM
Looks good, no pool side hash from what I saw unless I missed something. We'll continue with special requests and look to list for their October batch once we see pool rate. Looks great, so far.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: elokk on September 08, 2018, 05:54:02 PM
Pangolinminer guys are testing the miner,
WhatsMiner M10 hashing live at 34Th/s.
https://youtu.be/JZh837bEDWg

It is looking very promising. :)

Sounds like they are handing out free hash power as well to entice people to try out the M10, not a bad deal

https://twitter.com/whatsminer/status/1038464379736518656


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 08, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
Status update:
My M10 review unit will be shipped out in Monday.

Nice glad they contacted you with one.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 08, 2018, 06:59:42 PM
Nice glad they contacted you with one.

I'm guessing they will send yours at the same time, but I forgot to ask about it from Laurent.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Chris_Farms on September 10, 2018, 12:47:14 PM
Nice, please keep us updated about the actual specs when you receive it!  By the way i would like to buy one or get one to test in one of our big scale farm, can you provide contact information to your guy at WhatsMiner?  I sent an email but they havent got back yet.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 10, 2018, 01:27:55 PM
Nice, please keep us updated about the actual specs when you receive it!  By the way i would like to buy one or get one to test in one of our big scale farm, can you provide contact information to your guy at WhatsMiner?  I sent an email but they havent got back yet.

Laurent is from Pangolinminer company.

Pangolinminer has a joint venture with WhatsMiner and they are a official distributor for WhatsMiner.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 10, 2018, 05:34:58 PM
Just ordered mine for the review.  paid 1817 usd in btc for it.


https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/c4ae37b12029c80e9ad71c125f1d2b020daa5950e8b7f96d461422951fd6de1a/


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 11, 2018, 02:57:54 AM
Is that the late October batch?


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2018, 04:18:54 AM
Is that the late October batch?

No it should come sooner.

I will do a YouTube video showing how it stacks up against the innosilicon T2Turbo.


I was charged 1800 with free shipping discount.

I paid in btc and it was 1817 due to a slightly different btc rate.

I hope to get this by Friday 14th. Of this month.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: taserz on September 11, 2018, 04:22:04 AM
Try shooting HagssFin a pm he would know more then me.

Last dec he set the Demos up.  I did the YouTube videos and he did the write up on the M3.

We each got a demo machine.  We paid for them they were sent early at a very small discount to us.  But that was when Btc was to the moon 19900 usd if I recall

Psst. next time tell them to lew me get in and get a demo unit :) early I will pay for it too if I like it... The sooner I get my hands on a machine the sooner I can see what it's limits are running at in the extreme hot and cold and maybe even with a few oc changes to it :)


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2018, 04:38:03 AM
Psst. next time tell them to lew me get in and get a demo unit :) early I will pay for it too if I like it... The sooner I get my hands on a machine the sooner I can see what it's limits are running at in the extreme hot and cold and maybe even with a few oc changes to it :)

Well if it does what it says it will be better then the innosilicon T2Turbo

And it is very close to same price.  Haggsfin and I will each have info on this in the next week or so.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: taserz on September 12, 2018, 02:25:17 AM
Well if it does what it says it will be better then the innosilicon T2Turbo

And it is very close to same price.  Haggsfin and I will each have info on this in the next week or so.

Pangi's bulk pricing for 100+ and 500-1k units are really nice though compared to inno


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 12, 2018, 03:22:25 AM
Pangi's bulk pricing for 100+ and 500-1k units are really nice though compared to inno

must be nice to order 1000 of them :-\

    3 are 100th
  30 are 1ph
300 are 10 ph
900 are 100 ph

I wish the solar array could do 100 of them vs 6 or 7 of them


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: taserz on September 12, 2018, 03:25:02 AM
must be nice to order 1000 of them :-\

    3 are 100th
  30 are 1ph
300 are 10 ph
900 are 100 ph

I wish the solar array could do 100 of them vs 6 or 7 of them

You wouldn't be able to cool them with your setup. Your garage would be hell for them too. Right at around 20-25 in a garage where even with 10k cfm your going to have heat problems and need more airflow than that.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 12, 2018, 04:26:46 AM
You wouldn't be able to cool them with your setup. Your garage would be hell for them too. Right at around 20-25 in a garage where even with 10k cfm your going to have heat problems and need more airflow than that.

Solar array could hold 30 units and cool them, but once we go over 20kwatts we need to buy power.

And buying power in nj costs too much.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 12, 2018, 07:09:12 AM
Buying power? Let some one here haggle that for you.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 12, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
Buying power? Let some one here haggle that for you.

I may need to find a northwest power guy with good rates.

Getting a second solar array has proven to be really slow here in NJ

I have tracking for the M10  it will arrive on Friday the 14th.

I do hope it can do 65-70 watts a th.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 12, 2018, 02:45:06 PM
Sorry too busy having conversation in thread(s), mods must hate me.

Our listing for the M10 should hit today. We're hoping for better response from Pangolin but I guess they don't like selling many asics. Plus their pricing has been atrocious and steadily declining, we don't like to deal with the bs of buyers being upset on pricing drops for that long. Then their auto cart coupon drives me nuts as a marketer. .. .

Mostly just the selling stuff has been bothersome, as the unit looks great.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on September 12, 2018, 03:37:47 PM
Price is still too high IMO, but being first to market allows them to do that. I expect price wars to start once someone else gets to market. ROI is going to be over a year if you have $0.05 kWh and if specs are accurate. Faster ROI with cheap 841 or S9.   


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 12, 2018, 03:39:19 PM
Buying power? Let some one here haggle that for you.

I may need to find a northwest power guy with good rates.

Getting a second solar array has proven to be really slow here in NJ

I have tracking for the M10  it will arrive on Friday the 14th.

I do hope it can do 65-70 watts a th.

I got the shipping confirmation as well and it is due to delivery in Monday.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 12, 2018, 05:47:38 PM
Price is still too high IMO, but being first to market allows them to do that. I expect price wars to start once someone else gets to market. ROI is going to be over a year if you have $0.05 kWh and if specs are accurate. Faster ROI with cheap 841 or S9.  

try  roi at 8 cent power

or roi at 10 cent power

the s9j  does 95 watts a th

this should do 67 watts a th


10 cent power

1 th at 67 watts a th does this


9-13 – 9-13 (1 day)   7019 G   0.06355   0.06292   0.06292  6 cent profit


1th at 95 watts does this

9-13 – 9-13 (1 day)   7019 G   -0.00433   -0.004284   -0.004284   loses .4 cents a th


so at 10 cent power  this allows you profit right now.

the s9j  does not


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on September 13, 2018, 12:27:09 AM
S9J is 93 W/TH and still profitable at $0.10 kWh depending on pool fees. Anyone that doesn't care about current value/quick profit most likely only cares about $/TH to mine as much BTC as quick as possible with lowest initial investment. M10 is $54/TH and S9 w/PSU is $31/TH.

That's a 43% price increase for 27% increase in efficiency.

If these were priced inline with S9, not considering efficiency increase, it'd be $1,023 ($31*33 TH/s). Add 27% for efficiency increase and this should be priced at $1300.

At $1800, it seems like they are trying to recoup losses on M3 sales when Bitmain and Avalon price warred each other and they didn't follow. They were still trying to sell for $700 for the longest time when S9's were $500.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 13, 2018, 04:24:39 AM
S9J is 93 W/TH and still profitable at $0.10 kWh depending on pool fees. Anyone that doesn't care about current value/quick profit most likely only cares about $/TH to mine as much BTC as quick as possible with lowest initial investment. M10 is $54/TH and S9 w/PSU is $31/TH.

That's a 43% price increase for 27% increase in efficiency.

If these were priced inline with S9, not considering efficiency increase, it'd be $1,023 ($31*33 TH/s). Add 27% for efficiency increase and this should be priced at $1300.

At $1800, it seems like they are trying to recoup losses on M3 sales when Bitmain and Avalon price warred each other and they didn't follow. They were still trying to sell for $700 for the longest time when S9's were $500.

The s9j is 93 watts only in a cold room.

It is more like 95 in a 85f room and more like 97 in a hot room.

If you have 3 4 5 cent power you would be a moron to buy the m10 but at 10 cent power the m10 looks closer and at 12 cent power the m10 looks better.

Why buy an s9j if you have 10 cent power and a hot room it loses money now. Or makes a dime a day.

The m10 makes money at 10 cent power and will do so for months.

The s9j will certainly be the choice of a big guy with 3 4 5 cent power.

But a marginal miner with 10 cent or more power cost the m10 has an attractive feature it makes money now.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: Guinsanity on September 13, 2018, 12:53:27 PM
I Think that maybe with 0,05c doesnt worth the s9j. If the dif keeps increasing like the last months (est 10% per month) and the price stay flat, at 0.05 the s9j became a shit piece of metal in 7 months, without considering other facility costs, M10 could handle 10 months.

Do you guys have any doubts that the dif will not increase 10% per month? cheap bad gears for low cent energy costs and expensive gears for higher cent costs, if price dont go up we are all screwed  ;D


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 13, 2018, 09:51:56 PM
I Think that maybe with 0,05c doesnt worth the s9j. If the dif keeps increasing like the last months (est 10% per month) and the price stay flat, at 0.05 the s9j became a shit piece of metal in 7 months, without considering other facility costs, M10 could handle 10 months.

Do you guys have any doubts that the dif will not increase 10% per month? cheap bad gears for low cent energy costs and expensive gears for higher cent costs, if price dont go up we are all screwed  ;D

A lot of truth to what you say.  I really try to get gear on PayPal 6 months no interest when margins are tight like now.

I project the m10 to still be good in 6 months.
I project the s9j to not be good for many miners very soon.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 14, 2018, 06:31:54 AM
I won't coach philip but people be careful with credit even in a bull market. Low efficiency units should be striped, sold, or held for bull. If you're in for pure profit you have to flip to highest efficiency. You'll become a decent trader but not a day trader if you're mining power costs.

If you're looking to gear up now? There's the T2T only. I'd jump Oct batch M10 if I was in market and willing to wait though. From the look the value seems to be there it's just hard to speculate beyond very conservative(ly).

I'm stuck with 821's and s9's on moderate power cost. I won't be happy with these come '19. Look to gear up by Nov/Dec or hold out another quarter to two. Small, big mine, doesn't matter.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: sarcheer on September 14, 2018, 01:51:19 PM
The other problem are these tariffs. A 25% increase in price generally makes these unprofitable at pretty much any residential rate in the US, at least BTC return wise. Feeling very lucky to have found a T2T in my local market for $1300.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 14, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
The other problem are these tariffs. A 25% increase in price generally makes these unprofitable at pretty much any residential rate in the US, at least BTC return wise. Feeling very lucky to have found a T2T in my local market for $1300.

Japan won’t have the tariff.

So gmo may make out.



I won't coach philip but people be careful with credit even in a bull market. Low efficiency units should be striped, sold, or held for bull. If you're in for pure profit you have to flip to highest efficiency. You'll become a decent trader but not a day trader if you're mining power costs.

If you're looking to gear up now? There's the T2T only. I'd jump Oct batch M10 if I was in market and willing to wait though. From the look the value seems to be there it's just hard to speculate beyond very conservative(ly).

I'm stuck with 821's and s9's on moderate power cost. I won't be happy with these come '19. Look to gear up by Nov/Dec or hold out another quarter to two. Small, big mine, doesn't matter.

My m10 comes today.  I paid btc for it.

The T2Turbo is much faster ship time then the m10

I still have zero idea of what the m10 will do.

I will know in a day or two and be able to weigh my next move


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: sarcheer on September 14, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
Japan won’t have the tariff.

So gmo may make out.

Very true, and hopefully Triple-1 turns out to be legit so we have another option among Japanese manufacturers.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 14, 2018, 03:05:35 PM
The other problem are these tariffs. A 25% increase in price generally makes these unprofitable at pretty much any residential rate in the US, at least BTC return wise. Feeling very lucky to have found a T2T in my local market for $1300.

Tariffs have been hit or miss just like typical 3% ish prior. If you're ordering bulk expect to pay it. It you're a consumer not a business on a single unit you'll probably skate by. Still though you never know. I imagine we'll get a lot of quotes till this subsides to forgo our usual customs service at a 25% rate. Then it doesn't really matter with our model.

Is the live video of this still going? I at least saw the UI hashing at 34th/s 22 hours in, hopefully for HF and phil have something great to review.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 14, 2018, 04:28:22 PM
It is up and running!

my meter reads 2283 watts

it does flux up to 2346 watts


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: iluvbitcoins on September 14, 2018, 04:30:49 PM
It is up and running!

my meter reads 2283 watts

it does flux up to 2346 watts

Video video
We want a video


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 14, 2018, 04:31:59 PM
Video video
We want a video

I have an  unboxing video, but  camera battery needs recharge for an ops video.

33293 gh and 2346 watts = 70.5 watts a gh

unboxing at https://youtu.be/1dY5-eLuQYA

scroll to bottom of this link to see the hash rate on ck's pool

http://ckpool.org/users/16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr

Code:
{
   "workername": "16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr.m10",
   "hashrate1m": "34.7T",
   "hashrate5m": "25.6T",
   "hashrate1hr": "4.27T",
   "hashrate1d": "192G",
   "hashrate7d": "27.5G",
   "lastshare": 1536943075,
   "shares": 3891140,
   "bestshare": 60894592.0,
   "lns": 3889963.735401265,
   "luck": 1.14,
   "herp": 4416496.939140817
  }

power is now at 2358 watts but hash is over 34th see below

https://i.imgur.com/IHmC9g8.png (https://i.imgur.com/IHmC9g8.png)

so 2358/34350 = 68.6 watts a th

don't know how long it will work and it is loud but it is a motherfucking monster !


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: iluvbitcoins on September 14, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Niiicee

Still a long ROI, but that ths/w means it's going to be profitable even if the price is under 4k$, should be able to run at least 2 years
Has to be able to break even by then o.o


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 14, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Niiicee

Still a long ROI, but that ths/w means it's going to be profitable even if the price is under 4k$, should be able to run at least 2 years
Has to be able to break even by then o.o

So far I have yet  to figure how to clock it.

As I always like to be able to slow gear down.

new video


Your video will be live at: https://youtu.be/U7N4YphoaCI

done raw no edits.

opinions so far
33 to 34 th at about  2350 watts = damn!


downside it is hotter then I care for:

 the case is hot
 the psu is hot

I have yet to figure out how to drop it to 30th and lower the watts


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 14, 2018, 06:48:13 PM
Cool vids Philip,
I can't wait to have a look at my unit in Monday.  :)


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 14, 2018, 06:55:04 PM
Cool vids Philip,
I can't wait to have a look at my unit in Monday.  :)

yeah it is very impressive right near the 68-70 watt a th mark.

I would love more info on website and to be able to back it off a bit

say 30th and 2000 watts


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 14, 2018, 06:57:21 PM
yeah it is very impressive right near the 68-70 watt a th mark.

I would love more info on website and to be able to back it off a bit

say 30th and 2000 watts

Yeah it would be cool if they could make a low-power firmware available, just like they did with the previous model M3X.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 15, 2018, 01:41:14 AM
My Innosilicon T2Turbo was the best miner I ever owned.

But to run it at full speed using 2375 watts I would  get 24th

This burns 2360 watts and I do 34.4 th

So it is basically 10 th for free.

No if I run the innosilicon at balanced I do 19.5th for 1750 watts

This is 15th more for 600 watts.

Really way better then the t2turbo

If you buy three s9js you do 43th for 4450 watts

So for 9.5 th you use 2100 watts.

Cost less say 1500 vs 1800 but 2100 extra watts will eat up that 300 in savings unless you have dirt cheap power.

And we are now in a new world under 70 watts a th.

With multiple companies looking to sell better gear like this I am excited for mining come 2019.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: vincl on September 15, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7N4YphoaCI

sry for stalking you :D


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 15, 2018, 06:51:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7N4YphoaCI

sry for stalking you :D

Its fine.  I have to post a new video  I managed to make sound okay  with this material


https://www.homedepot.com/p/UltraTouch-48-in-x-6-ft-Radiant-Barrier-30000-11406/100656748


34th and not  really too loud using it.

If they  have a quiet firmware dropping to 30th and letting fans  drop to 3000 vs 5000  it would be really good.

I will do a sound video showing the sound proofing.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: judypug1956 on September 15, 2018, 09:56:30 PM
I guess this is your new video?

https://youtu.be/KsdRuglODsk


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 15, 2018, 09:57:57 PM
I guess this is your new video?

https://youtu.be/KsdRuglODsk

It is not that  it is this one

https://youtu.be/RuPXBR4Zi_U

So I got gear to be pretty quiet 45db to 48db while I sit in the basement den.

Later in the week I will fire up the T2turbo.

I should get 19.5 + 34.5 = 54th  for 2 units using only 4100 watts

you would need 4 s-9's using 5600 watts.

but 3500 vs 2000 for the gear.

If I had 4 of these at the solar array  I would do 136th at  9400 watts that is around 69 watts a th

It may do 138 th at 9400 or 68 watts a th


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 17, 2018, 03:20:40 PM
Status update:
My M10 unit just arrived.  I will start making the review and post it in the hardware subforum as soon as possible. :)

http://i68.tinypic.com/2j0xuko.jpg (http://i68.tinypic.com/2j0xuko.jpg)


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: minefarmbuy on September 17, 2018, 03:27:25 PM
Awe, snappity, snap!


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: mgoz on September 17, 2018, 03:36:46 PM
Looks like specs are similar to the T2Turbo+32T.


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: philipma1957 on September 17, 2018, 03:39:33 PM
Status update:
My M10 unit just arrived.  I will start making the review and post it in the hardware subforum as soon as possible. :)

http://i68.tinypic.com/2j0xuko.jpg

I hope they give us a lower power firmware

Just a bit so gear runs a little cooler and quieter


Title: Re: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W
Post by: HagssFIN on September 20, 2018, 09:40:22 PM
Hi guys, my review is now online :) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5033998