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Everywhere I look I read about how the bitcoin community wants more clear regulation from governments.

However bitcoins main reason for success thus far is the fact that it is a challenger to governments and central banks and can not be shutdown/turned off by anyone government because of its decentralized nature. Governments would have killed bitcoin years ago already if they could do it.  A political dispute might affect the price of bitcoin in the short term however, Political disputes can not shutdown bitcoin. Bitcoin challenges governments and central banks power. Bitcoin does not answer to no one.

But yet the bitcoin community is always waiting for the largest governments of the world to give their thumbs up "regulation" approval first.

Its like waiting for your wife to tell you "its ok if you have sex with other women"   Makes no sense to me. People all over the world should be rushing to get rid of their government manipulated fiat money.


Just my 2 satoshi worth!

yeah, unfortunately sometimes people get side tracked because they are mostly caught up in price and speculation. when  they get blinded by the profit and the money they make from bitcoin, some of them sometimes end up seeking anything that can lead to a faster and bigger rise in price.
regulations, ETFs, SEC thumbs up,... are all because of that. they say it brings in "institutional investors" which is why they are excited about it.

but you are right, it doesn't make any sense. maybe they need to be constantly reminded of why bitcoin existed in first place so that they may stop this silliness!

You are spot on, and everyone, including the governments,  knows that for certain.


True, Bitcoin cannot be shut down. But, what is it's locus of value? The junction where crypto translates into material goods, whether as barter or via fiat. If you are not using this locus, i.e. if merely hodling, then the value is basically just a figment of your imagination.

And, ..... this locus being a geographically defined spot, falls under the suzerainty of various national governments, all subservient to the major global hegemons, and specifically the USA, if that's your bugbear.

So, why is "big government" merely content to thrust and parry for now, and not make any big moves? It is observing the shape this movement is taking, the way the market is responding. But, make no mistake, it has that critical physical factor of superiority, the ability to impose taxes, and collect them at the point of a gun, if need be. So, it needn't act fast, it can strike at the moment of it's choosing.

What can government do? It can levy a "Carbon Tax" on "environmentally polluting" Bitcoin. It can ban mining on those same grounds like it banned ChloroFluoroCarbons (CFC) a few decades back. It can tax the mere possession of Bitcoin. It can do so with retrospective effect. Say, you held Bitcoin between September 2012 and March 2014, it will tax that amount retrospectively, and God help you if they consider the end-2017 20k peak as the relevant price.

But, you refuse to pay up. They'll lock you up in debtor's prison where they dump all tax evaders. You think of escaping to some sunny island, they'll arm-twist that place's authorities to hand you over. You think you can best them with your libertarian schemes of sea-steads, they'll "send" "rogue elements" to harass your womenfolk and cause you an inordinate amount of trouble.

tl,dr;  Long story short, there's no escaping the tentacles of big government. If BTC falls, they'll dismiss it as a "black swan" in their economic record, and no further action needed. If BTC stays put and rises, it'll wield that (super)tax weapon.

The government is supposed to represent the people.

So if "we the people" can steer the government into allowing us to do our own thing with bitcoin, that in itself is a noble goal.


Unfortunately, the government seems to support the moneyed interests and parasites, over the will of the people (United States).

Tangent follows:
Think of the case of Ajit Pai and Net Neutrality....

Long story short, the government, under Ajit Pai, refused to do what 80+% of the population wanted while lying throughout the process.

Companies like AT&T and Brighthouse Networks and big ISPs in the US, would absolutely love to charge us piecemeal just to access different websites. They are not content just to do what their job entails (serving data), they want to change the business model, against the path of progress, to what it was in the days of cable and piece by piece phone service.

If it where up to them, we'd still have to pay 10 cents per SMS message.
Tangent ends.

Yes, we can go against our corrupt government using bitcoin, and we may even win in the long term. We might need to invent our own mesh network, have our own nodes over Radio and hidden wires. It might even turn into a huge cat and mouse game with the government vs the people. But the government cannot maintain that forever.

At some point they will be held accountable, whether that means getting voted out of office, or worse.


Or we could all just be thrown in jail for "tax evasion" after the bank lobby passes the Cryptocurrencies are criminal tools ACT of 2020.

We all in the crypto community hate governments and banks,but we all (or atleast most of us) want to abide by the laws.Laws are created to make nations more organized and civilized.If the government regulations regarding crypto are fair and good for the community and the industry,there's nothing wrong in supporting them.If the regulations are bad,nobody in the crypto world will abide by those rules.
Does it make sense to you now?

To make Bitcoin legal worldwide is a common endeavor for everyone, it is imperative for the governments of each nation to see the benefits that Bitcoin offers.

It makes sense than my mom temperament.

The government must know the deeper part of bitcoin. It is better for the government to research about bitcoin, its advantages and disadvantages.

but in reality bad regulations have been obeyed or believed by most people in the crypto community, bad regulations often become FUD in the Cryptocurrency market and unfortunately many people are affected by it

Unfortunately, that is the reality that we have to live with and for me, I think its not about government but the people who are currently operating in the market that felt they can do anything. Imagine a newbie trying to understand and invest in the market only for him to get scammed by people. Who do you think he would report to? Nobody other than government agencies. Another example is when people keep their funds on exchange sites for trading only for the people there to compromise on both integrity and security leading mass losses on the part of clients, who do you think they would complain to, government agencies of course. I have been scammed before and I know the feeling and the worse is feeling helpless that the culprit will go free and look for the next victim to rob off his hard earned resources.

The clamour for regulation is more of accountability and not control. Its true that crypto is coming to compete against centralization that thrives in the world today but it does not remove the need for people to be held accountable for their actions and if there is a way to figure out that without government, I am open to it. If there is a way we just want to do our trading with certainty, gamble and not be conscious of someone manipulating the process behind the scene, ready to pay tax on earnings all of this without involving government, then I am sure alot of people would be open to it.

I think you are wrong Satoshi Nakamoto dont intend to compete with these government and banks he want's a decentralized money that government dont like because will be harder for them to corrupt and also they will not get any taxes anymore from those banks like before.

Those governments and banks are fighting bitcoin but bitcoin is doing nothing.

There is nothing wrong to "WAIT" for the government to accept crypto world and it is not impossible to happen if all of us will contribute to spread the word to the world.

In some places they still do not accept bitcoin even as bitcoin is forbidden

That is true, but we are improving and growing daily and slowly countries are accepting and integrating bitcoin. time is needed so everything can fall into place. we cant rush this process.

You Got it there mate,Satoshi Nakamoto knows how hard to conquer governments if this will be his intention so in this case its clear that theres no competition about governments,and about the banks its a different thing since people will decide from where they wanna put money

Yes that is fair enough and most reasonable people would understand this but
I think the OP was meaning that the speculators in the crypto community dont
care either way. They equate acceptance by a country as a price hike in their
'jnvestment'.

There are those in the community who dont care about what bitcoin was invented
for or how to use it as a currency, the bottom line is ROI

Smuggling theft decoity drugs terrorism are so many illegal acts which are banned by governments. But these are still happening .  But governments can take strict action against the persons involved in these acts.  Bitcoin as stated by you is currency in opposition to governments regulations.  But dear do not forget governments have power to regulate control or even ban it.  Though banning will not be 100% success it's true

Unfortunately not everyone agree that Crypto currency related regulations are bad. If you run a legitimate business and you want to accept bitcoin payment, then you have to adhere to the rules and laws of your country and there are also some tax implications. If they want to keep their doors open to the public, then they have to adhere to these rules.

In the end, they have to report to the government at the end of the tax year, and if Bitcoin was banned in their country and they accepted it as a payment, then their business will be forced to close their doors.  ::)

We just have to face the fact the we need government approval to get the optimal usage of bitcoin. I mean government banning bitcoin in the country limits our use of it within that place. You really are right about this and this is the sad reality we have

It's true that bitcoin can change a person's life, if the government stops it there will be a lot of hatred from the community itself, as it hurts some investors in the crypto.

I'm not cheering for regulation, but it's better to have regulated market rather than having Bitcoin outlawed. With regulations you will have a choice, either comply and pay the taxes, forfeit some privacy and so on, or break those regulations and risk getting caught. But if Bitcoin is banned, you'll have only one choice - using it at your own risk. There's no way that Bitcoin will forever stay in the gray zone forever, sooner or later every government in the world will have laws regarding cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin users wants the ETF approval for the bullrun time, I think that's just one of the purpose. But even its its approved and regulated, Bitcoin won't be controlled and the government knew that whcih is why this might just be denied again. There are crypto currencies however that they could control like the XRP. One crypto being recognized by the government and banks will bring most of the cryptocurrencies in the spotlight for regular investors from other markets. It does make sense to me.

Yes, you are right. I think Bitcoin is doing work in this way that government allow it. Some good news has come but I think that's not enough. It is taking the time but I think in future it will get success.

Offer that people a legal taxation on their cryptocurrency saves and they'll vanish forever from your sight ;D

Bitcoin community is still waiting when governments accept bitcoin but still many countries are confused what they do regulate or ban cryptocurrencies.
but governments can't control it because bitcoin is decentralized currency if they will try to ban than first need to ban internet so better option is they need to accept cryptocurrency still peoples are using crypto without any barriers.

The bitcoin community is becoming too focused on their earnings. What I’d really like to happen is people to see bitcoin as more than just as an asset or investment and start using it as a virtual currency –which is the reason bitcoin was designed in the first place, right? I feel like we’re not doing bitcoin any justice right now by panicking over price fluctuations.

it is true that every community finds them too selfish but some people think that with their community they can be frequent or learn together and this is often the case and it is unfortunate sometimes that even if the community has many communities they don't believe if they are a community and this It needs to be reviewed that many communities have worked hard to develop bitcoin.

regulations doesn't have to be a bad thing but it doesn't mean it is always good either.
regulation can actually help the growth of bitcoin if done correctly. for instance Japanese regulations helped the adoption of bitcoin in their country which was a good thing. many people and businesses that are already regulated wouldn't want to enter something that is not. and that effectively means the market stays small and that leads to high volatility and manipulation as we have been seeing so far.
regulations in a way can help the market expand and bring in more investors, we can see much more solid exchanges with a lot more users and packed order books and as a result a much lower volatility and near zero manipulation.

but at the same time regulations can be restrictive and damaging. for example unreasonable taxes, rules for licenses to operate,.... can also be discouraging for businesses to adopt bitcoin. so in a way it depends on which country and what rules.

I think they will choose hurts some investors than let them creates the risk for the government.

You have completely misunderstood it, when we cheer regulations are in place a part of us dies inside but then we look at the bigger picture, we look at Bitcoins survival. We can't be like the dinosaurs who became extinct, times have changed we need to adapt if all countries were to ban it bitcoins would be a memory and that's not all we want, so stop cribbing and understand what's for the stake it's the survival.

Until now some government in their community is not accepting bitcoin because not everyone agree that Cryptocurrency related regulations. Because bitcoin will change our life sooner.