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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:24:51 AM



Title: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, Ponzi promoting, scammer
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:24:51 AM
Edits: 1) It is not entitlement if the manager agrees to fix everything and bring it back to normal before his error that lead to reduced pay and being kicked out of the campaign does not follow through with his agreement, which is in writing.

2) About blackmailing. This user says it perfectly.


It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right?

Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time.


I'll get your attention with this, but this gets pretty lengthy so please read through it all thoroughly.

https://i.imgur.com/BscnoUd.png


To start off, I am not necessarily opening a scam accusation for being kicked out of the campaign (even though it was in error of the campaign manager).

What happened::
The campaign managers miss-counted daily posts and kicked me out of the campaign, shorting my payment as well. Then he proceeded to try and do a cover up by extorting the money that I am owed if I did not delete posts. :'( :'( :'(

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137185

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43253496#msg43253496

Amount Scammed:
Campaign would have totaled $960. Actual amount was .0108 - .015 so 0.0042 for first week of campaign

Payment Method:
Bitcoin

Proof of Payment:
Not yet sent I don't think. He's extorting me now.

PM/Chat Logs:
All of his PMS Pictures https://imgur.com/a/4bbfcCJ

All of my PMS Pictures https://imgur.com/a/5lpND7Q
In the Bitcasino Signature thread, I have asked you to submit a new BTC deposit address (not a Bitcasino.io address).

Please post the new address in the official thread.

I will need this from you today if you would like to be paid and remain in the Campaign.

Thanks
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Nice of you to absolutely blow this out of proportion, even though you are in the wrong.

I can remove anyone from my Campaign for whatever reason I choose; I don't even have to explain why.

For your case, you made 12 posts in a 24 hour span, which is AGAINST THE RULES.  Maybe had you read them, you wouldn't be in the place you are now.

So stop with all the immature drama, these Campaigns help participants pay bills.  And I will be forced to stop offering Signature Campaigns if this childish nonsense from you doesn't end intimidate.

Then to make matters worse for you, you send me a PM threatening me that you will report me ( Cry) if I don't pay you what you're owed.

You're lucky that I'm even CONSIDERING sending you .0108 because on top of not following the rules, you are attempting to slander myself and Sportsbet.

My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE.

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I made a mistake.

Please delete all of your negative posts, and I'll get ya paid today.

My apologies.
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Yes, Amends
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You need to delete all of the last posts you made.
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Please do it NOW
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If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment.
And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like.
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You'll get your payment.  That was my mistake.
But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns.

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Excuse me, but you're getting what you wanted.   Payment for 25 posts.

So now because I'm removing you from my Campaign (even after being fully paid), you're going back on your word and re-opening something that I already admitted I was wrong.  

Trust me bro I can report you for extortion and threats just as easily as you can.


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You're just upset that I booted you from the Campaign.
You're too much of a jerk to ever be allowed in my Campaigns again.
I can also rest assure you that I have many friends on here who manage campaigns, and they will all see your work.

You are a big drama queen.

I don't think I even should have to pay you, and your threads of reporting me don't worry me at all.

If I were to pay you, you'd repost your shit and cry foul.


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Now mine: I will order these to be read as they were sent later.
Ok I put in a new address on the thread.
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Why was I removed from the campaign?
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Btctalk name: WaffleMaster
Rank: Hero
Bitcasino.io BTC Wallet Address: 38sLeBE2MCgAVtvByf5YXHDuWyf1NRKRHw
Wear Appropriate Signature: yes
Wear Personal Text: Yes
Wear Avatar:  Yes

Accepted!

Unfortunately, WaffleMaster has to be removed from the Signature Campaign.
You have given no reason of why I'm being removed. I replied to your PM of needing a new address within hours. You only credit me with 18 posts for the week? My last post was:
Different websites have different variables and elements that need to be loaded into the program. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that it won't work very well or at all for other websites. You'll likely need separate programs for that.
Which is in the time frame, and perhaps I miss counted and only have 24 posts for the week 24-31 July 3AM EST. But to only credit 18 is a big mistake by you and verifiable as false by looking at my post history. If I'm kicked out of the campaign for not meeting the deadline by 1 post because I confused the UTC time of the forums with EST that's fine. Waiting for your response.
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just made a mistake in not paying me appropriately, and then removing me from the campaign in error because you believe I only have 18 posts instead of the.

You will have 24 hours to respond and correct the error or a scam accusation will be opened up on your name and campaign for shorting me payment.
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I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules.
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The campaign ends in EST time. The forum shows my posts daily are not exceeding 8. IF you do not recognize forum time for counting posts daily like everybody else, it should be stated in the rules. Your rules do not state otherwise. Since you have now formally responded, threatening to not even pay what you think I am owed (reality is 25 posts) I am forced to open a scam accusation against you for shorting me.

These will be included, along with extremely more detailed information.
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Ok, thank you for understanding.
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Yep all gone. I was archiving them and had twice as many to go through as you.
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Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices.
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I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules.

Everything is not made right, you are continuing to discharge me even after acknowledging your error. And now you threaten false reports. Unbelievable to be honest. Good thing these are archived and 100% proof.
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And by the way it's not extortion, you wanted me to delete everything because you agreed to make everything all right. And then you proceeded to go back on your word. So now there's also that. Quite a predicament you've created for yourself with the initial error and now all these threats, lies and going back on your word.
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If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment.
And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like.
YOU EXTORTED ME FOR SERVICES I ALREADY RENDERED
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If that's how you feel. I'm afraid now with your extortion and intimidation of holding funds I can't keep quiet about this and must post it. I have done nothing wrong, you've made all the errors and extortion. I simply wanted things to go back to normal.
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Additional Notes:
This is despicable and I am shocked that something like this has happened to me. I just wanted everything to go back to normal after he acknowledged the mistake and we were making amends and everything will be made right. But now look as he is going back on the agreement made.

PS: Oh and about me thinking I had 24 posts, it was because I did subtraction from 30-6 to get 24. When I individually counted there was 25 posts in the time frame specified by the rules.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:37:42 AM
You got booted for threatening me with blackmail.

That if I dropped you from my Campaign, you would re-open your scam accusations (even after I agreed to pay you and you deleted them).


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: fudster on August 01, 2018, 07:48:51 AM


The rules by the way was "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count" as stated here in the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg42786246#msg42786246

I'm not sure if its true that you posted 12 within 24 hours, but if it is then that I guess can be the basis of you being removed from the campaign. The manager already paid you by the way. I see you both blackmailed each other if you call it blackmail. :)


 


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:52:22 AM


The rules by the way was "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count" as stated here in the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg42786246#msg42786246

I'm not sure if its true that you posted 12 within 24 hours, but if it is then that I guess can be the basis of you being removed from the campaign. The manager already paid you by the way. I see you both blackmailed each other if you call it blackmail. :)


 


I admitted I miscounted, there's a first for everything!

What REALLY happened:
The campaign managers miss-counted daily posts.  After I apologized, said he would be paid, I then decided to boot him. 
In fact, I even waited for him to be the last person to submit his BTC address so I COULD PAY HIM!

For this guy to say I had no intentions of paying him is absolutely ridiculous.





Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:53:34 AM
Why would I even want to pay this person after all this bullshit he has created?
He was going to get paid! 
I was waiting on his BTC deposit address.
When I had it, I then booted him.
What did I do wrong?
He is blowing my messages out of proportion and is a drama queen.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:04:39 AM
Here's his post from earlier, where he thanked me for reminding him.

He seemed genuinely thankful for my help:


https://i.imgur.com/uhxRlpj.png

So, I am asking for his BTC address to pay him.

He has now turned it around that I am extorting him and all this other nonsense, when the matter of fact is that I booted him from my Campaign cause he's annoying.

He will get his pay for doing his work; I always pay my participants.




Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:08:24 AM


The rules by the way was "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count" as stated here in the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg42786246#msg42786246

I'm not sure if its true that you posted 12 within 24 hours, but if it is then that I guess can be the basis of you being removed from the campaign. The manager already paid you by the way. I see you both blackmailed each other if you call it blackmail. :)


 

He already agreed it was his error in counting. And I will post pictures of my posts just to walk people through it. Please edit your comment appropriately if the new pictures provide insight.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:09:01 AM
You got booted for threatening me with blackmail.

That if I dropped you from my Campaign, you would re-open your scam accusations (even after I agreed to pay you and you deleted them).
That is simply not true, I posted all of our private messages. Post proof if you have it of me stating those things


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:20:25 AM


The rules by the way was "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count" as stated here in the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg42786246#msg42786246

I'm not sure if its true that you posted 12 within 24 hours, but if it is then that I guess can be the basis of you being removed from the campaign. The manager already paid you by the way. I see you both blackmailed each other if you call it blackmail. :)


 


I admitted I miscounted, there's a first for everything!

What REALLY happened:
The campaign managers miss-counted daily posts.  After I apologized, said he would be paid, I then decided to boot him.  
In fact, I even waited for him to be the last person to submit his BTC address so I COULD PAY HIM!

For this guy to say I had no intentions of paying him is absolutely ridiculous.




https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png

https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png

https://i.imgur.com/WmuZwBX.png

https://i.imgur.com/6Jedlt1.png

Admitting he was going to withhold payment

"I don't think I should have to pay you"

"I was going to pay you"

So he wasn't going to pay me. Anything else you want to take out of context? I put all the pictures up of our conversation in picture and text form. You lying about what I say and you say simply is just more scamming trying to go on.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:24:44 AM
Yeah, for the last time, you took it out of context.

You are getting your money, what the hell else do you want?

Oh that's right, to be back in my Campaign.

Well, you can forget about that.

Nothing else you say matters at this point.

Goodbye


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:46:35 AM
Yeah, for the last time, you took it out of context.

You are getting your money, what the hell else do you want?

Oh that's right, to be back in my Campaign.

Well, you can forget about that.

Nothing else you say matters at this point.

Goodbye
You agreed to make everything right, which includes putting me back in the campaign and now you are not going to do with what you agreed to. That is scamming $900.

https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png

https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:50:12 AM
Your sense of entitlement is sickening and for the 100th time, I don't owe you anything, including paying you for participating in my anymore of my Campaigns.

I booted you for, among other reasons, the fact that I added someone who is a better poster than you.

I'm so sorry, but that's just how it works.

I dropped you (Hero) and added a Legendary Member, who also happens to be more reliable then you.



Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:52:55 AM
One last thing, how in the world am I "scamming" you when I have told you that your payment is on the way.

If I was "scamming" you, I wouldn't have admitted my wrongdoing and agreed to pay you.

That's what being "scammed" is; not what I'm doing.

Sounds like you just like throwing out the words "extortion," "blackmail" and "scam."


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 09:03:00 AM
One last thing, how in the world am I "scamming" you when I have told you that your payment is on the way.

If I was "scamming" you, I wouldn't have admitted my wrongdoing and agreed to pay you.

That's what being "scammed" is; not what I'm doing.

Sounds like you just like throwing out the words "extortion," "blackmail" and "scam."
You admitted fault and agreed to "make everything right". Then you proceed to scam me from having everything right by removing me from the campaign, which is $840 in potential earnings. You lied about making everything right after agreeing to it, which is scamming. And the total amount is $840 in potential earnings, which I would have received because I was always compliant with the rules.

https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png

https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png

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Sounds like you just like throwing out the words "extortion," "blackmail" and "scam."
You are throwing those words around. You think I was blackmailing you because I was waiting 24 hours to give you time to fix the scam of only paying me for 18 posts instead of 25. Anybody can read it and see I wasn't threatening you but giving you time to read the message. People need to sleep and work, so that is very fair.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: fudster on August 01, 2018, 09:12:02 AM
No one got scammed in this situation. Admission of error and paid what is to be paid.

You were trying to delete all those messed up messages in the thread of course, its a marketing job I can understand that because you are trying to market the casino site.

$840 in potential earnings :) I can also understand why WaffleMaster wants to be in the campaign but the damage has been done already wit this accusation threads, terminating his participation in the campaign I guess wouldn't be undo  too. You both give each other negative trust. All that's left is to go on with your lives now.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 09:14:50 AM
No one got scammed in this situation. Admission of error and paid what is to be paid.

You were trying to delete all those messed up messages in the thread of course, its a marketing job I can understand that because you are trying to market the casino site.

$840 in potential earnings :) I can also understand why WaffleMaster wants to be in the campaign but the damage has been done already wit this accusation threads, terminating his participation in the campaign I guess wouldn't be undo  too. You both give each other negative trust. All that's left is to go on with your lives now.

Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 09:22:51 AM


Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.
Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts??????? You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 09:29:08 AM


Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.
Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts??????? You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

No one is scamming you.  And I never said you were committed to my Campaign for 7 weeks.

You must not know how Campaigns work, cause that's not how it goes.   Sorry to break it to you....

Fact is, I don't owe you a damn thing if I don't want to pay you to be in my Campaign for 7 weeks.

And no one will be accepting you into any more Campaigns on this forum, that's for sure  ;)


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 10:02:48 AM


Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.
Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts??????? You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

No one is scamming you.  And I never said you were committed to my Campaign for 7 weeks.

You must not know how Campaigns work, cause that's not how it goes.   Sorry to break it to you....

Fact is, I don't owe you a damn thing if I don't want to pay you to be in my Campaign for 7 weeks.

And no one will be accepting you into any more Campaigns on this forum, that's for sure  ;)



Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.
Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts??????? You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement.

And again, your straw man argument. You agreed to fix everything about the error you made in miscounting the posts which resulted in lesser payment and me being kicked from the campaign. You did not, and that is a scam on an agreement you made, which is written and documented.

You taunting me constantly is not a very good look for your companies that paid you to run things, and look how you run them. You run them into the ground with improper management of campaigns and scams. I would be as petty as you and say that your days as a campaign manager are very effected by this too, but I won't, because I'm honestly not going down morally to insult you like you have tried to insult me.

One last thing, how in the world am I "scamming" you when I have told you that your payment is on the way.

If I was "scamming" you, I wouldn't have admitted my wrongdoing and agreed to pay you.

That's what being "scammed" is; not what I'm doing.

Sounds like you just like throwing out the words "extortion," "blackmail" and "scam."

These might clarify things!

https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png

https://i.imgur.com/PYUXj2R.png

https://i.imgur.com/toZoBCt.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: ImHash on August 01, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 10:48:00 AM
You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.
I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: ImHash on August 01, 2018, 10:56:39 AM
You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.
I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules.
I think you are missing the point here, You participated, posted and received the payment, Now you're out.
Whether the manager agreed to enroll you back or not, That's the manager's decision. You are not owed anything by anyone. One of the rules of every campaign is that the manager has the right to deny or accept anyone they want, You have been denied and they have already paid for your posts made last week.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 11:07:36 AM
You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.
I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules.
I think you are missing the point here, You participated, posted and received the payment, Now you're out.
Whether the manager agreed to enroll you back or not, That's the manager's decision. You are not owed anything by anyone. One of the rules of every campaign is that the manager has the right to deny or accept anyone they want, You have been denied and they have already paid for your posts made last week.
They kicked me out in error and reduced my payment unfairly, and in error. They then accepted and stated they would fix everything and things would return to normal. These images mean nothing to you? And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you? They agreed to all of that AFTER the first terms and conditions, which means it overrules it. Your logic doesn't hold up at all. You don't care whether or not they agreed to something in writing? Which THEY DID agree to. These honestly feel like alts LOL because every logical counterpoint I make, which is held up by evidence, doesn't seem to phase you people with random opinions based on flimsy arguments. You keen on talking about payment? Talk about these payment interactions then.

https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png

https://i.imgur.com/PYUXj2R.png

https://i.imgur.com/toZoBCt.png



Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: CaptainLance on August 01, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you?
I'm confused. Where is the part where he scammed you? You were only entitled a $120 for a week and as far as I can see you have only done 1 week of "work". He agreed to pay you that and yet you ramble here with your butthurt because you can't get what you want. He's the one managing the campaign and he has the rights to deny anyone.
As for that $840 you keep mentioning, it's not like it will go into his pocket. He will use it to pay that someone else who he hired as a replacement.
Just take the money shut up and move on with your life.

This argument of yours will go nowhere.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 11:43:05 AM
And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you?
I'm confused. Where is the part where he scammed you? You were only entitled a $120 work for a week and as far as I can see you have only done 1 week of "work". He agreed to pay you that and yet you ramble here with your butthurt because you can't get what you want. He's the one managing the campaign and he has the rights to deny anyone.
As for that $840 you keep mentioning, it's not like it will go in his pocket. He will use it to pay that someone else who he hired as a replacement.
Just take the money shut up and move on with your life.

This argument of yours will go nowhere.
Ahhh, newly made troll accounts coming out now. That's how you know when you start winning the moral high ground ;D Kidding, but really it is quite telling.

So, besides these points already being mentioned and completely thought through and penetrated logically with empirical evidence, I guess I'll entertain this. Only briefly.

Agreeing to make everything fixed and return it to normal would have included me back in the campaign among the payment being for 25 posts instead of 18. I deleted my stuff as per the agreement, and then the campaign manager didn't follow through. IE they lied. IE they scammed me by not holding up their end of the deal, which they literally agreed to. (I suppose I must keep posting these pictures just so people can get some context). Just so happens this was worth $840 in profit potential, which I would have easily claimed if the campaign manager had not been so bad at managing and acting in bad faith. I'm sure you've seen the other photos. Notice how I use the term "shorting me payment" because I understand managers have the right to kick people out as they choose, it is what everybody agrees to in the rules. However, when a separate agreement is made to negate that and correct errors, that is something else entirely that sits on top of those previous agreements. Make sense?

https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png

https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png

Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything and bring it back to normal. He said he would fix everything and It would be normal. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: target on August 01, 2018, 11:58:43 AM
I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign. You can bash his management all the time and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  
Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there ;D

https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: Stedsm on August 01, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
Sorry for the interruption here guys, not bumping this thread but I need to make myself understand a few things here. I'll be putting everything one by one:

This one's for jeremypwr:
- Someone told me that there's no restriction on the number of posts a person can make on the forum in a day (not at least if the posts are of good quality). I've seen many members making more than 30 posts daily (I won't be disclosing names here) and their posts were helpful to the community which is why even moderators didn't delete them. What I don't understand here is: The rule of your campaign says that "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count", so how it makes someone restricted to making posts more than 8 a day? They can post as much as they want and you can only count 8 of them per day according to the rule, right? So, where did the need arises for you to ask the user WaffleMaster to delete their posts? You might have paid them for the total posts considering 8 posts/day and not their ^12 posts^ for that day. You might have removed them for kinda post- bursting if they committed it. Nowhere under the rules section can I find anything like that written that a user is RESTRICTED to making 8 posts ONLY per day. Mind explaining me where am I wrong here?

This one's for WaffleMaster:
- You've been playing all well before I saw you claiming the services of Bet oh sorry, Bitcasino [FTFY] and Sportsbet scam. You started everything with the manager and your fight was for the money you wanted for your work and jeremypwr was the manager to deal with it. Now tell me, what made you think that the mentioned websites and/or their employees are scam? Didn't you ask the question to the manager that I asked here currently? And when it was clearly written by the manager over the campaign's OP that "I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason", why couldn't you just take it and move on? What's all this drama for? He said he was ready to pay you, then why?


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: ImHash on August 01, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
You are trolling, I consider what you are doing as trolling because they are not obligated to do anything other than enrolling people in their campaign, Count their posts and finally pay them. Did you receive your payment for your posts made last week or not? If you did then you are out as of now, The rest of the story is related to morality while you can't hold them accountable for going back on their words. Drop it and stop making things worse than this.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
Sorry for the interruption here guys, not bumping this thread but I need to make myself understand a few things here. I'll be putting everything one by one:

This one's for jeremypwr:
- Someone told me that there's no restriction on the number of posts a person can make on the forum in a day (not at least if the posts are of good quality). I've seen many members making more than 30 posts daily (I won't be disclosing names here) and their posts were helpful to the community which is why even moderators didn't delete them. What I don't understand here is: The rule of your campaign says that "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count", so how it makes someone restricted to making posts more than 8 a day? They can post as much as they want and you can only count 8 of them per day according to the rule, right? So, where did the need arises for you to ask the user WaffleMaster to delete their posts? You might have paid them for the total posts considering 8 posts/day and not their ^12 posts^ for that day. You might have removed them for kinda post- bursting if they committed it. Nowhere under the rules section can I find anything like that written that a user is RESTRICTED to making 8 posts ONLY per day. Mind explaining me where am I wrong here?

This one's for WaffleMaster:
- You've been playing all well before I saw you claiming the services of Bet oh sorry, Bitcasino [FTFY] and Sportsbet scam. You started everything with the manager and your fight was for the money you wanted for your work and jeremypwr was the manager to deal with it. Now tell me, what made you think that the mentioned websites and/or their employees are scam? Didn't you ask the question to the manager that I asked here currently? And when it was clearly written by the manager over the campaign's OP that "I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason", why couldn't you just take it and move on? What's all this drama for? He said he was ready to pay you, then why?
Hi, thanks for the questions. People can post as much as they want, but only 8 will be counted towards the 25. He was asking, no telling me and under threat of no payment, to delete my posts detailing the events that have transpired of his error and scamming me and the threats etc. because it hurts his reputation (obviously) and the companies who involve themselves with him.

If you look through my post count from between July 24 and July 21 3 AM EST you will see no more than 8 posts a day.

Anyways, as stated previously, yes a campaign manager can boot anybody they want. It's good for the forum and the campaign to have only high quality. What's not ok is when they realize there is an error, make a written confirmation that things will be returning to normal before the error (pay increased and back on campaign), and then don't follow their own written agreement, that's where the scam really happens. And it cost me a lot of profit potential. It's likely illegal (like we care at all about that, I don't) and would be enforced by a court. You can't boot somebody in error, say you'll make things normal again, then refuse to honor that. And it's all in writing to boot (very important in courts). Anyways, enough with that old argument.

If you read the company's threads, they actually have a lot of issues that they say are resolved but actually aren't. Thanks for your interest, hope you have a good one :)


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 12:31:09 PM
You are trolling, I consider what you are doing as trolling because they are not obligated to do anything other than enrolling people in their campaign, Count their posts and finally pay them. Did you receive your payment for your posts made last week or not? If you did then you are out as of now, The rest of the story is related to morality while you can't hold them accountable for going back on their words. Drop it and stop making things worse than this.
I can hold them accountable, anybody can hold them accountable. It's a community. I'm not making things worse, or rather explain how am I? I'm trying to prevent people from having a lot of profit potential stripped from them because of a shitty manager who lies and cheats their users, then agrees to make it right, then also cheats them on that! Not to mention the threats and petty immature name calling. What about that makes things worse for the community?


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: target on August 01, 2018, 12:34:18 PM
I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  
Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there ;D

https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png

As much as I can see in the previous images of yours, you also threatened him with your own blackmail. Both of you made misconducts now it can't be resolved. Its best to just part ways accept that because you're not going to the court all for this. But if you are going to continue to hold grudge and raise awareness which is sick, you'll end up wasting your time. Believe me, we've seen enough drama in our lives. Its not entertaining. It made you sleepless already.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 12:37:24 PM
I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  
Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there ;D

https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png

As much as I can see in the previous images of yours, you also threatened him with your own blackmail. Both of you made misconducts now it can't be resolved. Its best to just part ways accept that because you're not going to the court all for this. But if you are going to continue to hold grudge and raise awareness which is sick, you'll end up wasting your time. Believe me, we've seen enough drama in our lives. Its not entertaining. It made you sleepless already.
You honestly think that me allowing him time, a person who kicked me out and is giving me reduced pay, is blackmail because I granted him the courtesy to have time to think about and deal with his errors? Or should I have just opened a scam accusation immediately without even giving him a chance? People have jobs, I'm not sure what time zone they are in or what their schedule is, so giving them time is not blackmail. Insane logic here, that me giving time and understanding to somebody to correct an issue is blackmail.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: luckybar on August 01, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
Waflemaster stop acting like a spoiled brat, you didn't lose out on $900.  If I get fired from a job I don't demand pay for future work I haven't done.  It's Jeremypwr's campaign you are not entitled to a spot, its his choice.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: Stedsm on August 01, 2018, 02:44:27 PM
Hi, thanks for the questions. People can post as much as they want, but only 8 will be counted towards the 25. He was asking, no telling me and under threat of no payment, to delete my posts detailing the events that have transpired of his error and scamming me and the threats etc. because it hurts his reputation (obviously) and the companies who involve themselves with him.

Ok, I believe I misunderstood when you said that he asked you to delete the remaining posts, but I believe those were the posts showcasing his issues.

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If you look through my post count from between July 24 and July 21 3 AM EST you will see no more than 8 posts a day.

July 24 or July 20? Or is it between July 21 & July 24?
Anyways, I've seen that and yes, I do believe that you're correct in that matter.

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What's not ok is when they realize there is an error, make a written confirmation that things will be returning to normal before the error (pay increased and back on campaign), and then don't follow their own written agreement, that's where the scam really happens. And it cost me a lot of profit potential. It's likely illegal (like we care at all about that, I don't) and would be enforced by a court. You can't boot somebody in error, say you'll make things normal again, then refuse to honor that. And it's all in writing to boot (very important in courts). Anyways, enough with that old argument.

But, I've been following the campaign's thread since its start and to my knowledge, there was no price change (as whenever I saw the title post, it always showed $120/week only). What kind of pay increase are you talking about?

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If you read the company's threads, they actually have a lot of issues that they say are resolved but actually aren't.

Yes, I've read all their previous accusations and found that many of them were declared as resolved, didn't get so deep into the theory but I believe this one should be given higher priority if what you said, did happen.

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Thanks for your interest, hope you have a good one :)

Btw, I've got one only and that's enough to bang mouths off. /s  8) :P


Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 02:50:55 PM
Waflemaster stop acting like a spoiled brat, you didn't lose out on $900.  If I get fired from a job I don't demand pay for future work I haven't done.  It's Jeremypwr's campaign you are not entitled to a spot, its his choice.
I'm sorry you feel that way. If your boss told you you had 40 hours this week then all of a sudden said no, you're not working at all, would that make you upset? Pretty comparable situation all things considered. Then on top of that, said if you talk about your hours getting cut at all, your previous week pay will not be given. Yeah, starts to put things in perspective right?





July 24 or July 20? Or is it between July 21 & July 24?
Anyways, I've seen that and yes, I do believe that you're correct in that matter.

But, I've been following the campaign's thread since its start and to my knowledge, there was no price change (as whenever I saw the title post, it always showed $120/week only). What kind of pay increase are you talking about?

It was because he was only paying me for 18 posts and not 25. Then he thought I didn't meet the 25/week deadline and kicked me from the campaign based on that false assumption from his error. The pay increase I mentioned was the increase from 18 to 25 posts.






Title: Re: jeremypwr Betcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: Stedsm on August 01, 2018, 03:32:53 PM
It was because he was only paying me for 18 posts and not 25. Then he thought I didn't meet the 25/week deadline and kicked me from the campaign based on that false assumption from his error. The pay increase I mentioned was the increase from 18 to 25 posts.

Long story short, even if the manager committed error, he might have already removed you from the campaign next week itself. Tell me how are you assuming that you lose $900? Are you just making an assumption that you'd have remained in the campaign till its end? What if you'd have been removed next week itself for no reason based on the campaign manager's policy? Either you've gone totally insane or you're fighting just for the sake of the missed payment of those 7 posts. Getting into a campaign doesn't really guarantee your long term relationship with the same, you're not entitled to remain in a campaign till its end as each campaign has a policy to remove a user, they believe, doesn't fit to their requirements in any means and/or for any reasons.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: merited on August 01, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: yahoo62278 on August 01, 2018, 06:26:13 PM
Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.

Nobody is superman. The manager handled the situation terribly. When he made the mistake, after receiving the pm from Wafflemaster he should have just fixed it and moved on. Wafflemaster should have calmly messaged the user and waited for the manager to reply and fix the mistake.

Instead wafflemaster went crazy and made a million posts all over the bitcasino thread, sportsbet thread, campaigns thread, and reputation section. They both made threats towards each other via pm and acted like children.

I don't care what reasoning they feel they had, they were both wrong.

What I have learned for the whole situation:

Jeremypower did not act very professional as a campaign manager. Maybe he will learn from this issue and make himself better. Only time will tell. Instead of the pm war with Waffle he needs to look at Waffles complaint or any other users complaint he receives and see if the complaint is warranted. If it is, then fix it. If the complaint is incorrect, then message the user and explain why it is incorrect.



Wafflemaster is someone I would not consider hiring ever. He has shown that he is 1 of the users that feels he is entitled. If he doesn't get his way he will try to force his opinion on you. This is not the type of user that goes far in this forum. Even though it turns out waffle is in the right as far as the mistake on post counts, he still took it too far and somehow has this misconception he got screwed out of 500+ dollars.

I can understand tempers flaring for a few minutes but neither guy came to his senses really and decided to turn it into a circus sideshow event over the last 12 hours


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 10:05:59 PM
Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.

Nobody is superman. The manager handled the situation terribly. When he made the mistake, after receiving the pm from Wafflemaster he should have just fixed it and moved on. Wafflemaster should have calmly messaged the user and waited for the manager to reply and fix the mistake.

Instead wafflemaster went crazy and made a million posts all over the bitcasino thread, sportsbet thread, campaigns thread, and reputation section. They both made threats towards each other via pm and acted like children.

I don't care what reasoning they feel they had, they were both wrong.

What I have learned for the whole situation:

Jeremypower did not act very professional as a campaign manager. Maybe he will learn from this issue and make himself better. Only time will tell. Instead of the pm war with Waffle he needs to look at Waffles complaint or any other users complaint he receives and see if the complaint is warranted. If it is, then fix it. If the complaint is incorrect, then message the user and explain why it is incorrect.



Wafflemaster is someone I would not consider hiring ever. He has shown that he is 1 of the users that feels he is entitled. If he doesn't get his way he will try to force his opinion on you. This is not the type of user that goes far in this forum. Even though it turns out waffle is in the right as far as the mistake on post counts, he still took it too far and somehow has this misconception he got screwed out of 500+ dollars.

I can understand tempers flaring for a few minutes but neither guy came to his senses really and decided to turn it into a circus sideshow event over the last 12 hours

Glad you chimed in here; I would hate for Wafflemaster to think he could use his sense of entitlement against another part-time contractor...

Regarding my behavior, I will not engage with another participant like that, and I apologize to all for the spam it created.

I have received enough support in this thread from the community, and a dozen or so more PMs.

Rest assured, my Campaigns will go on and business will be as usual.

Take care everyone, and by the way I just won my 500th bet yesterday!   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516941.msg43301811#msg43301811







Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: pugman on August 01, 2018, 11:22:36 PM
Alright WaffleMaster, stop spamming your images in Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43280528#msg43280528), Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43272402#msg43272402), Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.msg43267166#msg43267166), Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg43273940#msg43273940), and Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795118.msg43276306#msg43276306). You are cross-posting and you could at least get temp-banned for that, for all I know.

For the millionth time, you weren't scammed, nor were you extorted. Nowhere in the campaign thread were you guaranteed to get 960$ or get paid for all 8 weeks. Stop using half meanings here. I totally see Jeremypwr removed you, and that's totally acceptable. Go get yourself drunk and throw up,you'd feel better. All that shit crazy anger would get out of your head.

Like stedsm said, @Jerermypwr, don't ask users to delete their posts. They can make how much ever posts they want. Just count 8 of them.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 01:41:12 AM
Alright WaffleMaster, stop spamming your images in Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43280528#msg43280528), Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43272402#msg43272402), Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.msg43267166#msg43267166), Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg43273940#msg43273940), and Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795118.msg43276306#msg43276306). You are cross-posting and you could at least get temp-banned for that, for all I know.

For the millionth time, you weren't scammed, nor were you extorted. Nowhere in the campaign thread were you guaranteed to get 960$ or get paid for all 8 weeks. Stop using half meanings here. I totally see Jeremypwr removed you, and that's totally acceptable. Go get yourself drunk and throw up,you'd feel better. All that shit crazy anger would get out of your head.

Like stedsm said, @Jerermypwr, don't ask users to delete their posts. They can make how much ever posts they want. Just count 8 of them.
The whole thread ting is total bullshit, and only applies to duplicate posts. They aren't duplicate, so there's no way a rule is being broken. Go check Meta for a full list of rules on the forum. Anyways, I guess it's not extortion to use threats or force to coerce somebody to doing something?

https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png

https://i.imgur.com/toZoBCt.png

https://i.imgur.com/PYUXj2R.png

Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.
Even though it turns out waffle is in the right


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 03:08:57 AM
Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.

Nobody is superman. The manager handled the situation terribly. When he made the mistake, after receiving the pm from Wafflemaster he should have just fixed it and moved on. Wafflemaster should have calmly messaged the user and waited for the manager to reply and fix the mistake.

Instead wafflemaster went crazy and made a million posts all over the bitcasino thread, sportsbet thread, campaigns thread, and reputation section. They both made threats towards each other via pm and acted like children.

I don't care what reasoning they feel they had, they were both wrong.

What I have learned for the whole situation:

Jeremypower did not act very professional as a campaign manager. Maybe he will learn from this issue and make himself better. Only time will tell. Instead of the pm war with Waffle he needs to look at Waffles complaint or any other users complaint he receives and see if the complaint is warranted. If it is, then fix it. If the complaint is incorrect, then message the user and explain why it is incorrect.



Wafflemaster is someone I would not consider hiring ever. He has shown that he is 1 of the users that feels he is entitled. If he doesn't get his way he will try to force his opinion on you. This is not the type of user that goes far in this forum. Even though it turns out waffle is in the right as far as the mistake on post counts, he still took it too far and somehow has this misconception he got screwed out of 500+ dollars.

I can understand tempers flaring for a few minutes but neither guy came to his senses really and decided to turn it into a circus sideshow event over the last 12 hours
A fair analysis. Acknowledging that it turns out that I was right, I DID give him time before the scam accusation but not before other posts, which was a mistake. And noting that the campaign manager was extremely unprofessional with his threats, blackmailing and all of that. Perhaps both parties were indeed misguided in their initial reaction, but to say this absolves him of his blackmailing and that he will simply "learn" not to commit criminal activity like extortion is pretty ridiculous. Acknowledging the fact that he didn't fix his mistake as well. So really, anybody reading this can see that yes I may have overreacted initially by opening some posts... big deal? This man blackmailed, extorted, punished me in error. Then he offered to fix it, then broke that agreement. Honestly it is quite disgraceful, and now everybody's reputation is ruined, including the companies who hired him as an employee. THIS MAN IS LITERALLY PAID TO MANAGE A CAMPAIGN, something which he did incorrectly, then started extorting funds that were agreed to to try and censor a participant he kicked out in error and gave reduced pay to. You really going to ignore that?


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 02, 2018, 03:37:57 AM
Alright WaffleMaster, stop spamming your images in Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43280528#msg43280528), Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43272402#msg43272402), Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.msg43267166#msg43267166), Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg43273940#msg43273940), and Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795118.msg43276306#msg43276306). You are cross-posting and you could at least get temp-banned for that, for all I know.

For the millionth time, you weren't scammed, nor were you extorted. Nowhere in the campaign thread were you guaranteed to get 960$ or get paid for all 8 weeks. Stop using half meanings here. I totally see Jeremypwr removed you, and that's totally acceptable. Go get yourself drunk and throw up,you'd feel better. All that shit crazy anger would get out of your head.

Like stedsm said, @Jerermypwr, don't ask users to delete their posts. They can make how much ever posts they want. Just count 8 of them.

I don't see this self-entitled lunatic giving up anytime soon. 

He will prob continue to post the same large images and disrupt threads of business.

I've already PMed the mods; hoping something is done here.

His spamming and multiple thread starting has to be against some rules here.

He was paid, then dropped.

Case closed.



Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 03:51:25 AM
Alright WaffleMaster, stop spamming your images in Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43280528#msg43280528), Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43272402#msg43272402), Gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.msg43267166#msg43267166), Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg43273940#msg43273940), and Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795118.msg43276306#msg43276306). You are cross-posting and you could at least get temp-banned for that, for all I know.

For the millionth time, you weren't scammed, nor were you extorted. Nowhere in the campaign thread were you guaranteed to get 960$ or get paid for all 8 weeks. Stop using half meanings here. I totally see Jeremypwr removed you, and that's totally acceptable. Go get yourself drunk and throw up,you'd feel better. All that shit crazy anger would get out of your head.

Like stedsm said, @Jerermypwr, don't ask users to delete their posts. They can make how much ever posts they want. Just count 8 of them.

I don't see this self-entitled lunatic giving up anytime soon.  

He will prob continue to post the same large images and disrupt threads of business.

I've already PMed the mods; hoping something is done here.

His spamming and multiple thread starting has to be against some rules here.

He was paid, then dropped.

Case closed.


1) I'm not entitled, because if you agree to do something and don't do it, that is you defaulting on an agreement. You didn't make things go back to normal like was agreed. That's not me being entitled, that's you scamming.
2) I'm not spamming, I'm replying to people. If you have a problem with somebody replying to people in relevant context and using pictures, that sounds like a personal issue.
3) You dropped me before payment because of your error and being a bad campaign manager. You then said you would make things normal and fix it, but you didn't. Obviously things are not back to normal like you agreed to.
4) Case still open, simply because you state it's over doesn't mean it's over. There still are allegations of your blackmailing which is documented and also scamming out of the agreement you said yes to.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 02, 2018, 05:10:43 AM
You made 75 posts about this across 8 threads in 5 boards in under 8 hours yesterday. If that isn't spamming, I don't know what is.

You were paid for the work you did. The end. You keep going on and on about "he agreed this" and "he agreed that" - well, here is what you agreed to:

I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 05:27:34 AM
You made 75 posts about this across 8 threads in 5 boards in under 8 hours yesterday. If that isn't spamming, I don't know what is.

You were paid for the work you did. The end. You keep going on and on about "he agreed this" and "he agreed that" - well, here is what you agreed to:

I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason
Oh hey, a sportbet shill coming in here to try and save face for the extortion. High activity is not spamming. Go ahead and read some of those posts and see if they're duplicates. Did you know that the #5 player on the leaderboard was just kicked out for no reason?

On the topic of agreeing to things, yes that was part of the rules. Thing is, I was kicked out and I was only mentioning the error to the manager (which is god aweful, anybody hiring him past these campaigns is seriously twisted). I did offer that we delete things and go back to normal after everything was fixed, and he agreed. So now there are 2 agreements, one after the other. The agreement after the original agreement stands up stronger, as you can obviously guess. It was an amendment basically.


Okay. Now we can see another scammy actions taken up by sportsbet. Now i have been told that i am not eligible for the price boost leaderboard promo. I have not been told any reason. I have just been excluded and the chat gives me no explaination. I am ready to provide my kyc for verification and I am sure that I have not violated any terms. I was on the top 5 on the overall leaderboard and now just for no reason I have been excluded from the promo.
I hope this can be resolved. Though this action taken up by the site sucks.

Also they still show me in the leaderboard but they dont allow me to see the leaderboard when i am logged in.

Is it just being done to sort me out because yesterday I asked you some questions about your pointing system? I am not able to see the leaderboard since then.

Is this action just being taken because I had some questions yesterday and for some reason you flagged me for that?

But please continue to defend the person who said this to a participant of their campaign, after THE MANAGER made an error, agreed to make it right and return to normal.

https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 02, 2018, 05:39:02 AM
Oh hey, a sportbet shill coming in here to try and save face for the extortion. High activity is not spamming. Go ahead and read some of those posts and see if they're duplicates.

And yet, my signature does not make what I say any less true. Your posts are not exact duplicates, but they are all ultimately saying the exact same things. You've used the same picture of your PMs in about 40 posts. That's spamming.

The agreement after the original agreement stands up stronger, as you can obviously guess. It was an amendment basically.

In your opinion, which is obviously not shared by most others.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 05:47:48 AM
Oh hey, a sportbet shill coming in here to try and save face for the extortion. High activity is not spamming. Go ahead and read some of those posts and see if they're duplicates.

And yet, my signature does not make what I say any less true. Your posts are not exact duplicates, but they are all ultimately saying the exact same things. You've used the same picture of your PMs in about 40 posts. That's spamming.

The agreement after the original agreement stands up stronger, as you can obviously guess. It was an amendment basically.

In your opinion, which is obviously not shared by most others.
You're right, your signature doesn't make it less true. It was never true to begin with, so something false can't be made more false. Actually, it's not an opinion, because common law has amendments change the original law all the time. If you think the campaign manager did nothing wrong in threatening and extorting agreed to payment to force an action by somebody, that's your morally deprived opinion. You can have it and we can discuss it. But the fact is that extortion is actually illegal.

If I was your boss, let's say roofing, and we had a 2 month project that we were working on and one day I think you showed up late because my watch was an hour ahead, and I fired you, is that ok? Is it then ok to say that if you say anything, I'll withhold all payment for previous work you've done?


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: Stedsm on August 02, 2018, 05:59:44 AM
And yet, my signature does not make what I say any less true. Your posts are not exact duplicates, but they are all ultimately saying the exact same things. You've used the same picture of your PMs in about 40 posts. That's spamming.

Feeling really sorry to say this but now, I've come to a conclusion here that an innocent user @WaffleMaster himself is trying to "extort" for a small amount of money here by giving mental torture to the whole forum by making the same accusations again and again, even after things trying to settle down from the other party's (manager) end. To the best of my knowledge, people shouldn't be here if their least intention is just to make money through the forum. Either we get paid or not, but we post; we post for the sake of our passion because we love to do it, to share our opinions here as we know they're going to be heard. Seeing your history after making this scam accusation thread, I've been watching you and can say that you've not posted anything good since then and are just trying to worsen up things for both of you by carrying away this discussion ahead. Why are you bothering too much just for those 7 posts (and even if you're right according to yahoo, I'd still ask you what makes you think that you were to be remaining in that campaign till its end when such ^agreements^ that you're talking about, were literally not made)? Where can you prove here that you're entirely entitled for that position for the whole campaign and that you were not going to be removed in either ways? And if you're not entitled to it, then I'm sorry but your claims about your ^potential^ earnings have just come out of thin air and nothing. That's my judgment.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 06:07:47 AM
And yet, my signature does not make what I say any less true. Your posts are not exact duplicates, but they are all ultimately saying the exact same things. You've used the same picture of your PMs in about 40 posts. That's spamming.

Feeling really sorry to say this but now, I've come to a conclusion here that an innocent user @WaffleMaster himself is trying to "extort" for a small amount of money here by giving mental torture to the whole forum by making the same accusations again and again, even after things trying to settle down from the other party's (manager) end.
Always appreciate open thinking, thanks for stopping by again.
Well, first the definition of extortion is:"the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats."

So in no way am I demanding anything threatening anything, or forcing anything, in fact the opposite. I've stated multiple times, even in PMs before people even brought it up, that I could no longer participate even if he wanted a 2nd do-over because of the threats from the manager of withholding money (agreed to be paid before the threats) unless I did what he wanted when he wanted. I'm simply talking about and showing proof of things jeremy has done and said. The market can decide if they would like him to continue to be a manager after huge mistakes, threats, extortion etc. My guess is no way in hell would a company want such a controversial manager that can ruin their reputation.
'potential earnings' is in reference to when jeremy agreed things would go back to normal, meaning be in the campaign, and instead then broke that agreement as well, costing those potential earnings.

Real extortion, threatening somebody to do something or they won't get money:
https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: DarkThrones on August 02, 2018, 08:51:30 AM
Holy fuck, anybody that isnt retarded can see that this campaign manager extorted u. literally wanted to censor u or else he wouldnt pay what he said, what u were owed. Why? Cus u posted about not being paid properly cus he is a piece of shit manager n couldnt count to 25 right? Holy fuck!!! how is this dude not banned for illegal activity. super anti bitcoin with his censorship too


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 02, 2018, 12:23:52 PM
If I was your boss, let's say roofing, and we had a 2 month project that we were working on and one day I think you showed up late because my watch was an hour ahead, and I fired you, is that ok? Is it then ok to say that if you say anything, I'll withhold all payment for previous work you've done?

No, that would not be ok, but jeremypwr admitted his mistake, apologised, and made amends by paying you for the work you had done. I will accept that he should not have told you to delete your posts, but those posts should never have been made in the first place.

A mature person would deal with this situation by PMing the following:

"Hey man. I think you've miscounted my posts for this week. Wondering if you could double check when you get a chance and let me know. I'm keen to stay a part of your campaign. Thanks."

Instead you spent half a day going on a spamming spree across multiple threads and boards. That kind of immature behaviour is enough to get you kicked from any campaign.

Additionally, your analogy is flawed because your agreement was not for 8 weeks of work. Being accepted in to a signature campaign has never been a guarantee that you would remain in it until the end.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: wxa7115 on August 02, 2018, 05:05:35 PM
Lets try a different angle here WaffleMaster.

You seem convinced that you were scammed and jeremypwr disagrees with that statement. The community is very fair, how many members have taken your side and agree with the fact that you were scammed from the earnings of the remaining 7 weeks of the campaign? Because I have read the threads you have open and I have yet to see one supporting that claim, maybe I missed it, but that should tell you something, you are in the wrong at that point, mistakes were made by jeremypwr, he has admitted as much, I think you also made some mistakes in the form you reacted, if you keep this up the members of the forum will be even more unsympathetic to your claims and you will only damage yourself.

To me this was just a big misunderstanding that has been blown out of proportion.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: bittraffic on August 02, 2018, 05:13:53 PM
Lets try a different angle here WaffleMaster.

You seem convinced that you were scammed and jeremypwr disagrees with that statement. The community is very fair, how many members have taken your side and agree with the fact that you were scammed from the earnings of the remaining 7 weeks of the campaign? Because I have read the threads you have open and I have yet to see one supporting that claim, maybe I missed it, but that should tell you something, you are in the wrong at that point, mistakes were made by jeremypwr, he has admitted as much, I think you also made some mistakes in the form you reacted, if you keep this up the members of the forum will be even more unsympathetic to your claims and you will only damage yourself.

To me this was just a big misunderstanding that has been blown out of proportion.


I'm with WaffleMaster's side here. Just for the sake.
But cheer up WaffleMaster. Its not the end of the world for you. You already wasted two days of your life when you could have done something more meaningful than getting into a fight you may never win. There are hundred more campaigns out there, all they may be needing is you who can raise awareness for their project.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 02, 2018, 08:20:33 PM
Lets try a different angle here WaffleMaster.

You seem convinced that you were scammed and jeremypwr disagrees with that statement. The community is very fair, how many members have taken your side and agree with the fact that you were scammed from the earnings of the remaining 7 weeks of the campaign? Because I have read the threads you have open and I have yet to see one supporting that claim, maybe I missed it, but that should tell you something, you are in the wrong at that point, mistakes were made by jeremypwr, he has admitted as much, I think you also made some mistakes in the form you reacted, if you keep this up the members of the forum will be even more unsympathetic to your claims and you will only damage yourself.

To me this was just a big misunderstanding that has been blown out of proportion.


I'm with WaffleMaster's side here. Just for the sake.
But cheer up WaffleMaster. Its not the end of the world for you. You already wasted two days of your life when you could have done something more meaningful than getting into a fight you may never win. There are hundred more campaigns out there, all they may be needing is you who can raise awareness for their project.

So let me ask you this, since you seem to be the only person who sides with WaffleMaster:

Let's say, hypothetically, that none of this would have happened.

He makes 25 posts, I pay him, everything is fine.

Then, in 2 weeks, a more quality poster applies, and I accept them into my Campaign, therefore having to drop a current participant.

If I were to drop WaffleMaster, a Hero member, and add the new Legendary member, would WaffleMaster still be able to claim he is getting "scammed?"

Of course not; this is a weekly, part-time contracted postition; he's not an employee nor is he entitled to any work!

Let me repeat:  Signature Campaign participants are not guaranteed work and can be removed WHENEVER and for WHATEVER reason.  It's even stated on Page 1.

He's acting like this was a full-time job, and now he's owed unemployment or some form of compensation.

I'd be upset too if I were removed from an opportunity to make almost $1,000 for posting on an internet forum, but he is 100% in the wrong for thinking he's owed anything.










Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: pugman on August 02, 2018, 09:41:42 PM
1) I'm not entitled, because if you agree to do something and don't do it, that is you defaulting on an agreement. You didn't make things go back to normal like was agreed. That's not me being entitled, that's you scamming.
2) I'm not spamming, I'm replying to people. If you have a problem with somebody replying to people in relevant context and using pictures, that sounds like a personal issue.
3) You dropped me before payment because of your error and being a bad campaign manager. You then said you would make things normal and fix it, but you didn't. Obviously things are not back to normal like you agreed to.
4) Case still open, simply because you state it's over doesn't mean it's over. There still are allegations of your blackmailing which is documented and also scamming out of the agreement you said yes to.

1. Its already solved. So it involves no scamming, cause you were paid. Ref: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6b4e3f354946feb24ea08c5c5331f0b6bb2cb3b77ed72d6241673538e700c94chttps://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6b4e3f354946feb24ea08c5c5331f0b6bb2cb3b77ed72d6241673538e700c94c

2. You're spamming. You have made 90 posts, and all of them with the same images over and over again.

3. Dropping you initially might have been a mistake, but dropping you later was a well-made decision.

4. Don't forget that you also blackmailed him. Now that you're paid, what are you whining about here? Extortion? This is very subjective, he asked you to delete your posts, and that is not considered to be extortion, in the court of order in many countries.


If I were to drop WaffleMaster, a Hero member, and add the new Legendary member, would WaffleMaster still be able to claim he is getting "scammed?"
You need to stop comparing ranks. It doesn't look good as it sounds. There are better newbies than Legendary, for all I know. Rank doesn't define a person, or his post quality.
If I were to drop WaffleMaster, a Hero member, and add the new Legendary member, would WaffleMaster still be able to claim he is getting "scammed?"
Not that he was scammed in the first place, he wouldn't be able to claim that he got scammed. For future purposes, just tell why you're removing someone, just to avoid situations like these that may or,may not bite you in the ass. It won't hurt for you to just to tell why.
Can you both just apologize to each other for being jerks to one another?


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 10:47:33 PM
Lets try a different angle here WaffleMaster.

You seem convinced that you were scammed and jeremypwr disagrees with that statement. The community is very fair, how many members have taken your side and agree with the fact that you were scammed from the earnings of the remaining 7 weeks of the campaign? Because I have read the threads you have open and I have yet to see one supporting that claim, maybe I missed it, but that should tell you something, you are in the wrong at that point, mistakes were made by jeremypwr, he has admitted as much, I think you also made some mistakes in the form you reacted, if you keep this up the members of the forum will be even more unsympathetic to your claims and you will only damage yourself.

To me this was just a big misunderstanding that has been blown out of proportion.


I'm with WaffleMaster's side here. Just for the sake.
But cheer up WaffleMaster. Its not the end of the world for you. You already wasted two days of your life when you could have done something more meaningful than getting into a fight you may never win. There are hundred more campaigns out there, all they may be needing is you who can raise awareness for their project.

So let me ask you this, since you seem to be the only person who sides with WaffleMaster:

Yahoo himself said I was in the right, somebody you seem to respect. Also, there are many members in here agreeing what you did was not only wrong, but illegal. No country allows extortion, and certainly this libertarian majority community should not allow extortion for censorship.

If I was your boss, let's say roofing, and we had a 2 month project that we were working on and one day I think you showed up late because my watch was an hour ahead, and I fired you, is that ok? Is it then ok to say that if you say anything, I'll withhold all payment for previous work you've done?

No, that would not be ok, but jeremypwr admitted his mistake, apologised

Oh so when somebody commits a crime, if they just say sorry, tha tis ok enough and no action should be taken. True (/s).

Holy fuck, anybody that isnt retarded can see that this campaign manager extorted u. literally wanted to censor u or else he wouldnt pay what he said, what u were owed. Why? Cus u posted about not being paid properly cus he is a piece of shit manager n couldnt count to 25 right? Holy fuck!!! how is this dude not banned for illegal activity. super anti bitcoin with his censorship too
There is no need for name calling, although what you say isn't wrong.



It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right?

Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time.
This is very well atriculated. That's why I put it in the beginning post just to shut down the same repetitive braindead bullshit about the me blackmailing him argument.

So Jeremy, there is only one person who agrees? Or does the majority agree with me? You literally committed a crime. No country allows extortion.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: LTU_btc on August 02, 2018, 11:43:16 PM
It would be time to stop... I didn't read all this shitstorm in different threads, but can you tell me what do you want to reach? Do you want to be returned to campaign after all these attacks against campaign manager? Ok, he made mistake, but he didn't scammed you, he paid you. And after public criticism about "scamming" he decided to remove you from campaign. Normal decision. Well, he didn't acted as he should be by sending these PM's, but seens that he learned from that. It was easy to resolve this issue in civilized methods by communicating via PM and having a bit more patience, not as you both did. But I don't understand why you still continue this shit. It just damage your reputation because I don't think that bounty managers will want to have "drama queen" in their campaigns.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:33:47 AM
It would be time to stop... I didn't read all this shitstorm in different threads, but can you tell me what do you want to reach? Do you want to be returned to campaign after all these attacks against campaign manager? Ok, he made mistake, but he didn't scammed you, he paid you. And after public criticism about "scamming" he decided to remove you from campaign. Normal decision. Well, he didn't acted as he should be by sending these PM's, but seens that he learned from that. It was easy to resolve this issue in civilized methods by communicating via PM and having a bit more patience, not as you both did. But I don't understand why you still continue this shit. It just damage your reputation because I don't think that bounty managers will want to have "drama queen" in their campaigns.
No, I don't want to be returned to the campaign, as stated in this PM (pic below) immediately after he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me. A literal felony to try and censor me.

https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png

I don't care if somebody think I'm dramatic for exposing somebody committing a felony against another person or myself. The support is exponentially ramping up against his criminal actions. People are pulling their campaign applications, people are waiting and seeing if criminal activity is moderated like the forum rules says it is. My reputation is fine, because truth and logic with evidence beats criminal activity any day of the week.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: yahoo62278 on August 03, 2018, 12:51:10 AM
It would be time to stop... I didn't read all this shitstorm in different threads, but can you tell me what do you want to reach? Do you want to be returned to campaign after all these attacks against campaign manager? Ok, he made mistake, but he didn't scammed you, he paid you. And after public criticism about "scamming" he decided to remove you from campaign. Normal decision. Well, he didn't acted as he should be by sending these PM's, but seens that he learned from that. It was easy to resolve this issue in civilized methods by communicating via PM and having a bit more patience, not as you both did. But I don't understand why you still continue this shit. It just damage your reputation because I don't think that bounty managers will want to have "drama queen" in their campaigns.
No, I don't want to be returned to the campaign, as stated in this PM (pic below) immediately after he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me.

https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png

I don't care if somebody think I'm dramatic for exposing somebody committing a felony against another person or myself. The support is exponentially ramping up against his criminal actions. People are pulling their campaign applications, people are waiting and seeing if criminal activity is moderated like the forum rules says it is. My reputation is fine, because truth and logic with evidence beats criminal activity any day of the week.

I said you were correct in the fact that you actually qualified for the full payment as per the campaign rules, unless you did not fit his criteria as quality posts. That is the only thing I said you were correct about.

Everything else, including all these ridiculous replies, you have been 100% wrong about. Your reputation is not fine BTW. You have already popped up on my radar and hit my blacklist for the way you conduct yourself when trying to get your point across. If you keep going i'm sure other managers will place you on their blacklists as well.

It's fine to get pissed off when trying to defend your situation but handle it without spamming 100 posts in 24 hours repeating the same bullshit half of which is false or taken out of context.

What else are you hoping to accomplish? He didn't extort you, he paid you. He didn't get any financial gain from removing you. If you were in 1 of my campaigns and handled yourself this way, I would have removed you as well just to avoid dealing with your delusional thought process.

I eagerly await the 5 replies i'll get to read from this response


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 01:25:33 AM

I said you were correct in the fact that you actually qualified for the full payment as per the campaign rules, unless you did not fit his criteria as quality posts. That is the only thing I said you were correct about.

Everything else, including all these ridiculous replies, you have been 100% wrong about. Your reputation is not fine BTW. You have already popped up on my radar and hit my blacklist for the way you conduct yourself when trying to get your point across. If you keep going i'm sure other managers will place you on their blacklists as well.

It's fine to get pissed off when trying to defend your situation but handle it without spamming 100 posts in 24 hours repeating the same bullshit half of which is false or taken out of context.

What else are you hoping to accomplish? He didn't extort you, he paid you. He didn't get any financial gain from removing you. If you were in 1 of my campaigns and handled yourself this way, I would have removed you as well just to avoid dealing with your delusional thought process.

I eagerly await the 5 replies i'll get to read from this response
You're fine Yahoo, I understand your position. You are a campaign manager, and when things like this happen it really makes companies consider if they want their name tied to a manager, who in this case commits a felony. Campaigns can't be sure they won't employ a Jeremy who will make big mistakes managing the campaign and it's money, then double down and commit felonies to try and cover it up, dragging their company name in the mud along with it. It's bad for campaign signature business, one that has been down lately (bear market, some have said there is no value so they canceled 1 week in). I'd say there's a lot at stake with even the whole industry of signature campaigns, something you profit from heavily.

You saying it's not extortion is false, here's a definition of extortion. "obtaining something" would be the censorship he was demanding.
https://i.imgur.com/VFfqTyo.png

Perhaps I haven't "conducted myself" well for having a literal crime, a felony, committed against me after being kicked out in error from a terrible campaign manager who then agreed in writing to make everything back to normal, then scammed that agreement. Who would have thought somebody could get passionate about that.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: Buraot on August 03, 2018, 02:41:44 AM
This OP has gone beyond boundaries, he is like a barking crazy dog wanted to get back into a prolific campaign where the manager kicked him out, trying to blackmail him by posting this crap.
I am asking any DT to put a red tag to this crazy and delusional OP and a mod to ban him for spamming.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 02:49:15 AM
This OP has gone beyond boundaries, he is like a barking crazy dog wanted to get back into a prolific campaign where the manager kicked him out, trying to blackmail him by posting this crap.
I am asking any DT to put a red tag to this crazy and delusional OP and a mod to ban him for spamming.
False, obviously I don't want back in. Said it days ago before even opening the extortion/scam thread. Crazy and delusional, interesting because everything I've said literally has proof to the very last detail? ;D

I like how you dehumanized me though, just for keeping relevant information and responding to people. Maybe go to the GAW thread and tell all those DT members that their 1,000+ page of GAW scam discussion was for nothing and they're all crazy too as the CEO is going to prison on fraud charges everybody was bringing up.

https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 03, 2018, 05:28:52 AM
he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this. I can just see the headlines now: "Man to be imprisoned until 2038 for heinous crime of removing delusional spammer from internet forum bounty".

Once he's imprisoned, you should probably go after all DT1 and DT2 members - since red trust prevents you from being part of many campaigns, presumably they are all guilty too.

Thanks for the chuckle.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: target on August 03, 2018, 03:26:18 PM

he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this. I can just see the headlines now: "Man to be imprisoned until 2038 for heinous crime of removing delusional spammer from internet forum bounty".

Once he's imprisoned, you should probably go after all DT1 and DT2 members - since red trust prevents you from being part of many campaigns, presumably they are all guilty too.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Well its a henius crime, 20 years is lifetime.

Its best not to reply to this thread again so it will be buried down the pile and unwatch because it going to be up when you click that Show new replies to your posts. I hope Wafflemaster will finally find peace with a new campaign to join. There is a new one Cloudbet, cross your fingers and hope that yahoo and jeremy hasn't updated their manager about all these.


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 06, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this. I can just see the headlines now: "Man to be imprisoned until 2038 for heinous crime of removing delusional spammer from internet forum bounty".

Once he's imprisoned, you should probably go after all DT1 and DT2 members - since red trust prevents you from being part of many campaigns, presumably they are all guilty too.

Thanks for the chuckle.

"Delusional Spammer".... Lol what? He removed me because he's a very bad campaign manager and count even count to 25 correctly. ;D And not even to mention that he actually committed extortion to try and censor my posts. My posts over the last few days revealing this is spam? Just because you get paid by him and don't like that he made the company, himself, and all his current participants look shady as fuck for being involved with him?

What is your delusional rambling about DT members??? No DT has been involved?

https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: game-protect on August 06, 2018, 06:29:35 PM
he committed a crime ,punishable up to 20 years in prison, against me.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this. I can just see the headlines now: "Man to be imprisoned until 2038 for heinous crime of removing delusional spammer from internet forum bounty".

Once he's imprisoned, you should probably go after all DT1 and DT2 members - since red trust prevents you from being part of many campaigns, presumably they are all guilty too.

Thanks for the chuckle.
I do not know how many years in prison you will get in your country, but it is a criminal offense to promote the publicly procen Sportbet cam (https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/) for your own financial interest! ;)


Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam
Post by: jeremypwr on August 06, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Here's what yahoo62278 REALLY had to say, since you like to include often misleading quotes:


I said you were correct in the fact that you actually qualified for the full payment as per the campaign rules, unless you did not fit his criteria as quality posts. That is the only thing I said you were correct about.

Everything else, including all these ridiculous replies, you have been 100% wrong about. Your reputation is not fine BTW. You have already popped up on my radar and hit my blacklist for the way you conduct yourself when trying to get your point across. If you keep going i'm sure other managers will place you on their blacklists as well.

It's fine to get pissed off when trying to defend your situation but handle it without spamming 100 posts in 24 hours repeating the same bullshit half of which is false or taken out of context.

What else are you hoping to accomplish? He didn't extort you, he paid you. He didn't get any financial gain from removing you. If you were in 1 of my campaigns and handled yourself this way, I would have removed you as well just to avoid dealing with your delusional thought process.

I eagerly await the 5 replies i'll get to read from this response



Title: Re: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, Ponzi promoting, scammer
Post by: WaffleMaster on August 08, 2018, 12:05:54 PM
Some people have been pming me about Jeremy's past as a ponzi scam promoter, operator, and most likely admin. Here's a new twist to all of this, as his account was literally created to start promoting ponzi schemes. But not just any ponzis, only certain ones he was connected with. And people are sticking up with this extortionist, ponzi promoting campaign scammer?

https://i.imgur.com/wLPjJyz.png

https://i.imgur.com/Q3BOR04.png