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Merit source should visit Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) board occasionally. It's not my accusation, it's my request. I don't want to mention any thread or user. It's might be consider begging for specific users or thread. Especially about scam ICO or scam website related Bitcoin thread.

I believe by finding and investigating scam ICO's they are helping to improve forum reputation. As well as it's not very easy to find scam ICO like team, whitepaper, security etc. There is need spend  many times to research. By exposing scam ICO's not only  improving forum reputation, but also saving many investors fund. Since there is no reward system for exposer except merit, that's why my request to merit source for visit Scam Accusation board some times. I think there is almost 90% post are valid. There many thread that well proven scam but no merited.  I don't know a proven scam accusation thread will consider a high quality post but I think it's high useful post. Some potential member's are there & meriting some post. But I think it's not enough reward for this board.

Btw, it's depend on merit source, since there is no merit source for any specification board. I just share what is on mind. I have no complain for me or other specification user. I have got enough owing.

Hope merit source will consider that matter.

I like your suggestion and I hope that the merit sources give it a thought.

But I also have a suggestion for you. Looking at your post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1980983;sa=showPosts) , you recently made some thread in that section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4813326.msg43420993#msg43420993). That does not give a good impression. You are actually weakening your chances of getting merits by doing this. This thread would have far more weight if you have posted it without making a recent post in that section.

With merit being so permanent and scam accusations so difficult to consistently determine who is right, it makes it a tricky section to hand out merit.

I am not clear what you mean exactly. And why use unnecessary bold character. What is wrong in my post history can you please point me clearly ? So that I can improve & correction my self. Your advice will be highly appriceated. But explain clearly and don't use useless bold character.
On the other hand I didn't me or other user for merit. I am happy whatever I have. I suggest to source. They will visit or not it's depend on them. I am not asking personally meriting some one, so there is not important to visit user post history. It's important how valid their Scam Accusation thread. It's only for motivate people.

I surprised when I saw your

 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2084932;sa=showPosts;start=20Post history[/url) Archived (http://archive.is/fJ4sd)

Very good post on your profile with potential and high quality content. I don't know how you received 3 merit. Is your reply deserve 3 merit or you bought I am not sure.

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Yes you are right it's difficult on some case, but not on all case. Especially fake team, cheating with total supply and copied whitepaper there is clear proof. Nothing difficult for judgement they are supiciaus and might be scam. You no need much time to check it as well proof is their.

For example please read this post , Pure Scam "XeonFrame" ICO with fake team. Stay away from it and save your money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4476252.0). There is clear that they used fake team member. There is not difficult to judge that they can scam.
I think they already Exit. Social media not active and telegram group has been deleted.

I meant that you recently made threads in "Scam Accusation board", You can see recent your recent threads https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=1980983;sa=showPosts  . And then you make a post in meta asking merit sources to visit that section ? Coincidental ?


It is not that hard to know. Click on my profile and then merit, you will see which post I got it for and which member gave it.

Most scam accusations seem ICO related. ICO Ann and bounty threads are not really merited by merit sources, so by the same criteria nor are scam accusations on ICOs.

I’ve just gone through about 15 different random threads in the section and it is certainly difficult to make heads or tails as to the certainty of the accusations: all accusations differ in format and depth of evidence and grasping a sense of the accusation may require quite some time and even investigation to understand it all. Many of the accusations have opinions both in favor and against which complicates matters further.

I’ve occasionally merited scam accusations (I’m not a source), but when I’ve done so I need to be pretty sure the accusation is correct since meriting is kind of recognizing the effort and general benefit of putting a spotlight on the scam, but also a sort of personal vouch for the accusation.

Perhaps your point is right. However there is most of accusation against ICO, also I am talking about Scam ICO. There very clear evidence that you can verify by one click. Especially with fake team. You no need to investigate yourself, you are able to verify. All the source link already added there.


However if you visited recently on scam accusation board, you will find many scam ICO with enough evidence. Already described above. All the report with correct formats, anyone can verify easily. As you said bounty and ANN Thread not merited, yes they never deserve it.  You can't compare a valid accusation with bounty and ANN Thread. Is bounty and accusation is same ?
Of course those are scam exposer there , they need help to find more scammers. Also by constructive discussion accusation can be solve. A scam exposer spend long time to investigate an ICO. We should show appriciation those people's already exposed many scam. I don't don't think scam accusation board less important from other board.

That is why that section was called accusation. From the word itself "accusation". Therefore most of the topics are prejudged and we can't define if those were a fact.

Unless those ICO turns into a scam. What if the certain post is wrong then that can be a big slap in the face of the merit source IMO.

Otherwise the admins themself will create a section for a proven accusations that may later on be rewarded with some merits

Scam accusations and Merits are two different aspects and why people are trying to find an interrelationship between those two. Scam accusation threads created in Scam Accusations board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) really help for people to be informed before they involved in a trade. Merits introduced by @theymos to discourage the spammers while giving the opportunity to rank up for the posters whose making an extra effort before posting.

If your suggestion got approved(It's very unlikely), who will determine the accusation is true or false? If that accusation is proven (by considering the comments made by the majority of the members), so why Merit sources should give away their merits for that? Scams are not moderated by bitcointalk forum as well as Merits. We don't want to make the job of Merit sources too hard when awarding their merits.

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That is why I was telling OP that it is almost impossible to hand over a merit in that certain section since those are just all accusations and can only be proven when that certain ICO turns out to be a real scam.

You are right that it was created to help users decide and can be also saved from a potential scam.
Since OP is trying to relate meriting such posts from that section that is the reason why I have suggested that new section. Or if not just reward the certain posts that proves a scam act.


For your question to if who will decide, no one can decide unless that ICO already did became a scam like being gone without given notice and taking users investment with them.

Therefore merits can only be rewarded on the later part of the accusation. I hope i was making since lol

And in your particular case, I have merit some of your posts that are related to scam accusations, being fully aware that it is potentially beneficial for part of the community, and that there is quite a bit of effort behind.

What I pointed out before, and now reiterate, is that meriting a scam accusation has different possible interpretations: you may be appreciating the poster’s effort based on what looks like decent signs or solid proof, but it can also be seen as a personal vouch for the scam accusation to be 100% true, thus endorsing the accusation personally. The latter may take it’s toll on people wanting to merit accusations.
Even so, as I also mentioned before, some of the accusations are not that easy to follow, and one would likely not go in-depth to grasp the full accusation unless he has something personally on the line there (such as having or considering investing in the allegedly scam ICO).

ICO scams run pretty free around here. This week I came across an interesting thread, where the OP created a step by step guide for creating your own token, and all it took him was a couple of bucks (see  [BEGINNER FRIENDLY GUIDE] Launch your own TOKEN in a few simple steps! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5006219.msg45166019#msg45166019)). Although there is some interest in the post created by the OP of this guide, it goes to show how easy and cheap it is to create your own token. ICOs scams can be created with hardly any cost at all, and all it takes is a bit of bumping and a cheap campaign to draw-in the gullible.

I know the forum does not moderate ICOs, but more should be done to tag and/or close down scammy ICOs for the sake of the people around. Yes, they need to do their due diligence and all that, buy even so, many are going to take the fall. I mean Bitcointalk has a reputation, but we do not that to wither by turning the forum into a scam fest free area.