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Recently, since we've been slashdotted, we've had a few scammers lurking on the forums here.
Now, I want to warn everyone trading here, that there are scammers around here.
Please take some time and ask someone to be the middle man in your trade if you trade with a person you don't know or trust.

So please people, watch out for scammers.

PS: Report any scammers in this thread.

Its not really bitcoin  related however I want to call out the hosting company http://www.a2hosting.com/ (http://www.a2hosting.com/) so that people can avoid their service.I tried to sign up for hosting there and this is the reply I received-





I would stay away from them at all costs.

How about instead of a forum, use a more sophisticated rating system, whereby all dealers the use bitcoins are listed along with their reputation?

Im working on a bitcoin business directory at the moment. :)

Whenever someone sends you a PayPal payment, wait a week before you send your bitcoins or you might end up with neither bitcoins nor dollars once PayPal takes the money sent to you back back after they fail to get the funds from the deadbeat who will be using a different identity. Good luck getting your bitcoins back once they're gone. You can scam a scammer once, but don't hope to be able to do it twice. ;)

For the record, I had a PayPal payment to me reversed from someone whom I had caught using multiple similar but different email addresses and different names. He also had very little reputation here on the forum. I thought that if I were to ask for a refund, he was likely to just drop his identity and create a new one. So I lied to him to get my money back. And then I lied some more because as far as I was concerned, he may have ripped off many other community members, and that made me mad. He then posted our conversations here on the forum and I posted his multiple names and email addresses. We argued a bit, I asked him to remove the conversations and once he did, I removed the information about him. The thread he created about me was locked once I started deleted my posts. It may get deleted in the near future. No one got harmed and I'm not offended or anything. The issue is resolved. Sorry for the drama, moderators.

I was just about to ask you for more info.Its a bit scary knowing people are floating around pulling these scams.The sooner the reputation systems get in place the better!

The way it was resolved, he can't very well defend himself without letting people know that he was the other person involved. I'm fine either way, but so long as he doesn't defend himself, I'll offer a bit of defense on his behalf. He very likely was not scamming anyone. His activity was suspicious, but my means of resolving it were also suspicious. I didn't name him publicly because my suspension was not strong enough to risk my reputation on it. I got a bit carried away while I was looking out for my own interests and ended up indirectly causing the drama.

In any case, if there aren't scammers lurking, there surely will be soon enough, since transactions are non-refundable. So regardless of this situation, people should be careful. I was lucky that I only had $4.00 on the line. From now on I'm going to be more careful since many of my transactions are not so small.

Fair enough.Without established reputation systems in place its probably a good idea to go into every transaction expecting you may lose your bitcoins.Its probably why not many people want to spend them!

Beware of
sabbers/stevenbucks/Steven/StevenB

bitcoin-forum -user:sabbers
bitcoin*       -bca:1J7GXaJt8Fj68Z4C8nT7zNg7wPgxxFK29U | 1BXfygBCKXb7AUpwXLYBw376Ftc2xeQmFw

SecondLife**  -avatar:StevenB Admiral -key:296045f9-8592-4183-b092-d8aced67a292
new              -avatar:StevenB Bizet    -key:e388effe-b012-4cea-922d-6146624e6705

our deal: payback within a week -> no reaction within 2weeks
2weeks later: at least a PM, he'll payback within 1-2days -> no reaction within 2weeks
2weeks later: blacklisted

still owes me ~650btc, not a big loss for me, but for bitcoin-projects (not only mine).

well, i should have known better,
after lots of blah about how trustworthy he is ("you know i will pay u back"...), i actually told him i'll never know for sure, now i do.

anyway, DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH
sabbers aka stevenbucks (and if you know about some other identities of his, please let me know)



* i'm just sure about that one address, if anyones interested in investigating more, all coins gone TO 1CAjKR8TXkQ45RJ5iCpvMMyEQo5coSp396 and 1PvHsqRK8XDn6yCXo1FQ4C4ppYVZUSGnXE (two of mine, only a single 350btc transaction on the ladder) came from him (blockcount @~72000-72850).

** his SL avatar seems deleted/deactivated, guess he opened up a new account already.

Thanks for the warning, I was considering buying one of his Virgin Mobile cards.

List of stolen PayPal accounts/scammers (md5 hashs to protect real users):

• 5e03f3b731cdf0e9df83a160cc18f619
• 6f0bfca764f8c5d028a29182a75e937e

I just joined Bitcoin today and I am dismayed that scamming is even possible at all. Didn't the designer take this into consideration from the start?  I know this is a new and experimental version.  But the fact that this is even a problem at all as already (in less than an hour) dissuaded me from using it any further.  I was ready to plop down $100 and buy some bitcoins today.  This should be a simple and secure process.  Apparently it isn't.  Not only do I need to worry that I will be scammed, but worse I, an honest *buying* customer, am also suspect.  That is ridiculous, and shows the fatal, and I do mean FATAL flaw of this system.  If decentralized currencies are ever to take off, they'll have to create a secure payment system right from the start. 

So final question - is the designer or designers planning on implementing (into the core) a secure system, so none of this nonsense is a problem anymore?

It is true that the system is not ideal yet.

At the same time, there are very good ways to buy bitcoins. I.e. If you are in the US, you can go via bitcoingateway.com (yes, you need to get registarted confirming your credit card, but once it is done you never have to do it again.

You can also buy bitcoins via MtGox if you are in Europe via EUR bank wire.

Sometimes it is worth to surpass some initial barrier before you get a benfit of something really great.

First of all, you misunderstand "scam". Scam is usually a social engineering attack, not a software attack. It is your mind that need securing, not bitcoin.

bitcoin itself is secure,
its other payment methods that scammers use to "chargeback" what they payed you,
or your faith in them, when you payed in advance.

if you send your money to someone you dont trust, or have never met,
this person might take your money and leave without giving you what you payed for.

bitcoin is like cash, if you give it away, its gone, there are no chargebacks or other ways to get your money back.

umm, maybe you should read the faq

I'm not the designer of Bitcoin (I am one of the developers), but I have been thinking a lot about what it will take to make it safe(r) for my grandma to use.

playanaut, I'd love to hear your suggestions on how to make bitcoin better.  And (shameless plug): I'd also love to know if you think my latest project, ClearCoin (https://clearcoin.appspot.com/), is a step in the right direction.

You seem confused, but I'm not sure where exactly.

You wouldn't expect the creator of anything else at all to make it 100% theft proof right? Even cars are easily stolen if you give away the keys. Nothing replaces a brain.

bitcoin is digital cash.

Just like real cash, a con man might scam you, or a burglar might take it.

The scamming that this thread refers to is a problem with PayPal's security model, not Bitcoin's.  That said, there is no system that is secure if the users are duped into trusting someone that they otherwise would not.  So there will always be those who will try to defraud others, no matter the security of the system.  If you insist on others doing the due diligence on your behalf, perhaps you should stick with the credit card companies and their associated fees.  Security isn't ever free, and can be quite expensive if the user is lax.

bitcointrade.biz are scammers too

ribuck
I sent them 50 BTC and got nothing, they even are not processed by the server, later I've read there is a big number of people which were scammed too by this service. They do not reply on emails but their service accepts bitcoins. This is a real fraud. There are some messages that this project is closed but you will not see it on their main website. They accumulated a very big quantity of Bitcoins and that's all. There were rumours that they even wanted to sell 90 000 BTC in mtGox - don't know is that true or what.

Here is a good explanation but in Russian - http://swindlernet.ru/news/bitcointrade_bitcointrade_biz/2010-11-26-3

there was something discussed  on:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1861.0
 (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1861.0)
that may be related to this

Interesting thing is that that guy was trying to withdraw at the same date range when accounts were locked in bitcointrade.biz.

Liberty Reserve account holder U0617086 Valentina Izmailova (possibly fraudulent name) and IP address 67.212.80.94 (possibly proxy) steals money from friendly Internet users by stealing your email password by sending a message with the subject "Your account will be suspended". Please make this your status for a little while and if you happen to find him, give him what he deserves. Thanks!

is the mad hatter a legit dude???
Im hearing he is,. but seeing different.

How long does he usually take to fill ur account.

Ive sent him money over a weekk ago!!  Am i screwed???

MadHatter is one of the guys of the first hour of bitcoin. I can't imagine that he would be a scammer.

wait.  and u just got ur letter back.  WTF? why did they send it back??

Well, still.  MadHatter could at least check his email and forum.

MadHatter is certainly in the top 5 most trusted forum members. I fear he may have been hurt, arrested, or called to an emergency.

I've dealt with Madhatter on many occasions, and I will attest that he is as honest a man as one could expect to find.  However, the transit between the US and Canada is slow.  We all have real lives that must be attended to at times.

I'll just put this here: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2511.msg55817#msg55817

:)

ok

80sbaby, I understand that you're nervous about a large trade.  The coins were sent to you as soon as I got your funds. I've sent you forum PMs to that effect.  It's generally best to try and resolve these concerns in private before posting about people in the scammers thread.

I wanted to take the time to respond to this post before I went to bed because River is attacking my reputation without giving telling the community the entire story. Here's the story:

On Friday I spoke with River via a Skype text chat where he detailed his need for an xHTML compliant redesign of his site (www.thefiatfreezone.com). After reviewing his requirements and getting a few things cleared up by him, we agreed on a price and the terms of the work. I indicated that I would begin work immediately and Rive quickly paid me half of the full price I asked for the work. River and I spoke around 5:00pm CT on Friday.

I spent the weekend reviewing his site structure to make sure I understood what he was doing, River wanted a complete site redesign that was still xHTML compliant.  On Tuesday, I received an email from River stating that he wanted to terminate the contract and report me as a scammer here because I hadn't done the work. Keep in mind, we talked on Friday at 5:00pm and this email came on Tuesday near 3:00pm for a COMPLETE SITE REDESIGN.

After some discussion with River (through email and Skype, both which I have logs of and would be happy to provide to the community as evidence if requested) it was decided that he would not cancel the contract and we would continue work as we agreed.  I also explained to River that I was dealing with a terminally ill family member which I felt effected the speed at which work could be done. He stated he understood and we even had, what I thought, was a nice phone conversation.

So, I continued to work on the site as we agreed and today I asked River if he could do a Skype call at 6:30pm CT to which the only response I received was 'your time or mine'.  A few hours later, I received a 'CONTRAcT TERMINATED' email and then came here to find this post by River listing me as a scammer.

So the bottom line is this: River is not a web designer and obviously has no idea the work it takes to do a complete web design. That's evidenced by him thinking an entire site redesign could be done in what amounts to two days (spare the weekend).  Additionally, River is so impatient and so scared of getting 'scammed' that he's much too quick to label people who are trying to help him (at a much lower rate than usual, I might add) as scammers. As to his  'not seeing the refund that was promised', I can only say that River is lying. He is well aware that when we spoke on Tuesday evening it was decided that there WOULD BE  no refund (why would I continue to work on a project I was going to stop and refund money on?)  And as far as his demand for a refund after terminating the contract tonight, I'm sure someone not responding in 3-4 hours off of business hours is hardly evidence of that person being a scammer.

I am not a scammer and I am offended that River has chosen to only present one side of the story AND outright lie about agreements. He says he has an email where I tell him I will issue him a refund. I have the entire thread and Skype chat that went on AFTER that email where he said 'ok, I'm sorry for jumping the gun, let's continue work'. Did River think I would do a refund and then perform the rest of the work for free? Is that how HE does business? I think we all know better than that. The bottom line is River is sensitive about being scammed (he said in our phone conversation it had happened to him before, so I understand it) and jumped the gun several times - especially with posting to this board.

Will River receive a refund? Absolutely. However, I will deduct the cost of the work already done and refund the rest. I'm also going to formally request that River either remove this post calling me a scammer from this board or post proof where I 'promised a refund' and didn't deliver -- but post the ENTIRE conversation.

Thank you for hearing my side, community, and I hope for a quick and fast resolution between River and myself. I also hope he learns a bit of patience and not to be so aggressively paranoid or else the chances of his site actually getting done by ANYONE are slim to none. I know I will never consider working with him again even if this is resolved. 

Thank You,
Anthony Papillion (CajunTechie)

In the future, may I recommend that parties agree upon an escrow and/or mediator with large contract deals? 

a refund (implies former proof of work, I've seen nothing .. no body has)

Guee, another lie from him, so much for that 'refund' he promised (within 24 hours) .. that would be yesterday,  and still not a penny (and he has an address).

Here's my proof.

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Skype

Friday April 1, 2011
[3:55:40 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: hi
[3:56:01 PM] Anthony: Hi! How are you?
[3:56:07 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ok
[3:56:27 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: so I take it your a web graphics designer
[3:57:20 PM] Anthony: I am. I don't do a lot of web graphics anymore (my wife does and we work as a team) but I can evaluate things for her and make quotes
[3:57:45 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ah
[3:58:10 PM] Anthony: I work more on the programming side now. So have you found someone to meet your needs?
[3:59:05 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I'm not sure yet ... there are a lot of unorganized people out there
[3:59:30 PM] Anthony: Absolutely. And unfortunately it can be hard to sort of them from the rest of us
[4:01:06 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: so do you know generally what I'm looking for?
[4:01:39 PM] Anthony: I have an idea but I'd like a description ifyou have one. Do you have any sites that have what you're looking for as an example, etc?
[4:02:26 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: not really, I'm trying to stay away from templates that are avaialble, since I need something that is xhtml 1.1 compliant and none of them are
[4:02:44 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: but I am looking for something business, simply, sleek, easy
[4:03:04 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ya
[4:03:21 PM] Anthony: ok that's fair. So do you need the entire site designed or just the 'store' part of it?
[4:03:34 PM] Anthony: And is there a particular reasons you need it to be xHTML compliant?
[4:03:40 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: first, have you seen the existing site?
[4:03:50 PM] Anthony: No I haven't. Can you give me the url?
[4:04:09 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: www.thefiatfreezone.com ... is not pretty
[4:04:26 PM] Anthony: Give me a moment to check it out
[4:04:32 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ok
[4:04:33 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: brb
[4:05:11 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: so
[4:05:38 PM] Anthony: I'm loading it now
[4:05:46 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ? ok
[4:06:17 PM] Anthony: Ok so yeah I can definitely see room for improvement. So you don't need programming done, right? Just design?
[4:07:04 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: correct .. you can see the general current layout when you move the window around
[4:07:50 PM] Anthony: Right.  OK so the window will need to still float, right?
[4:08:25 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: that already in there .. as long the code is xhtml 1.1 compliant and the css is class based, not name based
[4:09:17 PM] Anthony: Ok. Simple enough. Do you also want graphics designed as well?
[4:09:38 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I dont' think I can afford that right now .. I'm limited in my budget
[4:10:45 PM] Anthony: Undertandable. So basically you need a new site designed, using the basic graphic you currently have and it has to be xHTML 1.1. compliant. Do you want someone to work with your existing xHTML code or can they start from scratch?
[4:12:29 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: well that floating window won't really be touched by the new layout .. its a separt template ... and have a full back-end system I designed and developed for creating different templates with the one existing floating window on top
[4:12:47 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: if you understand that
[4:14:04 PM] Anthony: Yes, I understand that. Makes sense. So the floating window will remain and the rest of the site will be changed to the new layout.
[4:15:41 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: pretty much, but I am looking to 'clean up' the floating window .. as you can see my html and css skills are lacking that the floating window is ... not perfect.
[4:16:29 PM] Anthony: Right, I can see that. Cleanup is easy though. Not that big of a deal. Well, I can tell you I would like to work on this with you if you haven't found anyone. I'm interested.
[4:17:09 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: would you happen to have a general quote for the project?
[4:17:52 PM] Anthony: Let me look at a few things. One sec
[4:20:05 PM] Anthony: I really can't see this being more than 350. It's not a ton of work for an experienced dev. And it shouldn't take terribly long either.
[4:24:36 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: so you would be able to create a directory, search screen with options, store front, product details, and shopping cart?
[4:24:49 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: for 350?
[4:31:06 PM] Anthony: Myapologies. My power went off for a moment
[4:32:30 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ?
[4:36:04 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: do you have an existing portfolio I can see ...
[4:37:26 PM] Anthony: I do. Let me dig it up and email it to you. Two of the 'big' sites I've worked on were Jessie Duplantis Ministries and Lost Treasure. But let me dig up some links and email them to you. Or would you rather I send them here?
[4:37:56 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: just here as quickies
[4:38:40 PM] Anthony: Cool. I will get them when I get to my other pc. Expect them within the hour. I'll do the big ones so you can see good examples
[4:39:11 PM] Anthony: I do know www.losttreasure.com is one. But I don't remember the ministry site offhand.
[4:39:56 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: nice
[4:40:11 PM] The Fiat Free Zone:  Jessie Duplantis Ministries? what's that?
[4:40:27 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: jdm.com?
[4:40:48 PM] Anthony: He's a preacher out of Louisiana (my home state) that I got to know and designed his site for him. It's since been taken over by someone (can't remember who) but they haven't changed the site much since my design
[4:41:29 PM] Anthony: I think it might be jdm.org
[4:42:39 PM] Anthony: Actually, it looks like the ONLY thing they've changed was the 'Contribution' link
[4:44:04 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: good examples
[4:44:23 PM] Anthony: I have more but don;t have them accessible right now.
[4:44:33 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: so you have a colour schema  and layout in mind?
[4:45:12 PM] Anthony: Well, if you want to keep it business, probably muted tones. Maybe a medium 'aqualike' blue (little darker) though or blues and grays.
[4:45:43 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: kinda like bitcoins colors?
[4:45:50 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: bitcoin.org
[4:46:07 PM] Anthony: Right! Kind of keeping the same feel for consistency.
[4:48:21 PM] Anthony: As for your question about doing it all for 350 I can pretty much do everything but the store. That requires a bit more work. Could you do 425?
[4:48:46 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: 425 including the store?
[4:48:53 PM] Anthony: Right, for everything.
[4:49:29 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: 425 BTC .. it's reasonable .. let me think about it for a few minutes .. other things to consider here
[4:49:58 PM] Anthony: Ok no problem. I need to run for a bit but think about it and send me an email when you have time. CajunTechie@hotmail.com
[4:50:07 PM] Anthony: I can begin right away if you choose me
[4:50:14 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: gpg you public key
[4:50:26 PM] Anthony: Let me grab it. Hang on
[4:52:14 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: here mind just in case .. for secured communicates .. like BTC id
[4:52:27 PM] Anthony: Key ID is 0x8794abd40078b6e4. Main email is papillion@gmail.com
[4:52:48 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ?
[4:52:54 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: what's that?
[4:52:55 PM] Anthony: My GPG key ID
[4:53:09 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: you gpg public key should be like mine:
[4:53:15 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)

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[4:53:28 PM] Anthony: Oh you want the actual key. I was posting the key ID. Sorry
[4:53:47 PM] Anthony: Mine is
[4:53:50 PM] Anthony: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: SKS 1.1.0

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[4:54:28 PM] Anthony: You can grab it from any keyserver by searching for my email addy
[4:57:54 PM] Anthony: Ok I gotta run. Thinkabout it and send me mail
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[5:35:13 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: did you get my apology email?
[5:36:11 PM] Anthony: I did, and I responded. I have two design ideas to show you tomorrow evening or Wednesday. I think you're going to like them.
[5:36:21 PM] Anthony: Elegant, sleek, but still within the bitcoin feel
[5:38:43 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I just read you email .. as stated previously, I do apologise for assuming anything of personal nature .. that not my place.
[5:39:08 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: second .. my GPG key is on my website .. not the MIT site
[5:39:18 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I guess I should look at putting it there
[5:39:33 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: but I think I may have to update it first to better security
[5:40:11 PM] Anthony: No problem on the email or anything. Glad we were able to get it resolved. Ok I will grab your GPG key from the site.   That way we can communicate more securely. I'll grab it now.
[5:40:43 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: It's good for now .. it work .. not the best .. but ya
[5:40:52 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: pgp key I mean
[5:41:11 PM] Anthony: Right. Ok so you are technical@thefiatfreezone.com, right?
[5:41:42 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: it's actually on www.thefiatfreezone.com
[5:42:06 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I haven't placed it on the MIT thing yet
[5:42:31 PM] Anthony: Right, I'm at the site now and I see each contact has a PGP key, yours is the one for the technical dept, riht?
[5:42:35 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: and I'll probably be putting up a few keys just in case for technical, sales, billing, etc
[5:42:49 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: there all mine ...
[5:42:53 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: they're
[5:43:02 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: it all come to me eventually
[5:43:12 PM] Anthony: Ooh ok cool.
[5:43:13 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: for now anyways
[5:43:18 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: till I grow a little
[5:43:30 PM] Anthony: Right, which hopefully will be quick
[5:44:03 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: as you may have notice for the existing site .. the id's are unusual
[5:44:32 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: so if you simply do not put in id's .. that would be great .. they are auto-generated on the server
[5:45:14 PM] Anthony: Ok no problem then. Whatever is most secure for you is fine. I'm flexible
[5:46:05 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: well it's not the security thing for the id field in the html .. it's my auto-generator names everyting itself
[5:46:39 PM] Anthony: Ok I was wondering how those names came about lol
[5:46:39 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I have a specific naming convention that links into th backend database without any use interaction
[5:47:17 PM] Anthony: Ok, that's easy enough.
[5:47:42 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ya, that's why I said the css has to be class based instead of id based.
[5:48:34 PM] Anthony: I wondered about that too but that's cool. I usually prefer to use classes anyway. Not really sure why but to me it's just simpler.
[5:52:22 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: just added the public keys to the MIT server
[5:52:45 PM] Anthony: Cool, I've already grabbed it off your site. Is that a 4096 bit key?
[5:53:06 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: 4096/2048
[5:53:30 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: oh .. ya 2048
[5:53:33 PM] Anthony: Cool. So good and secure.  Would you rather encrypted email as a matter of course?
[5:54:15 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: this is fine .. I only put things I don't want see threw GPG
[5:54:40 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: besides .. isn't skype suposed to be encrypted these days?
[5:54:49 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I guess not .. just a rumor
[5:54:54 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: it's all good
[5:55:23 PM] Anthony: It's supposed to be encrypted but I don't trust it's 'totally' secure as I'm sure there's a backdoor to allows eavesdropping.
[5:55:44 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I know what you mean.
[5:55:57 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: it's not like its financial info thou
[5:56:06 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: that's encrypted out the wazoo
[5:56:16 PM] Anthony: True, that's secure.
[5:56:35 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: and the occational documents not for prying eyes :)
[5:56:56 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: do you have vid abilities?
[5:57:50 PM] Anthony: Not on this machine I don't.  My dog knocked over my webcam and it broke so I can only use it as a mic now ;-(
[5:58:16 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: I don't even know if my sound works for this
[5:58:23 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: may i try?
[5:59:09 PM] Anthony: Sure go ahead. Let me log off before you call me though. My wife is home and it's noisey here so I will let it bounce to my mobile phone. When you see me log off, go ahead and call :-)
[5:59:37 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ?
[5:59:45 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: how do I call if you logged off?
[6:00:06 PM] Anthony: Just do a regular skype to skype call and my skype will ring my mobile.
[6:00:22 PM] The Fiat Free Zone: ok




As for someone attacking someone elses' charater :

Quote from: CajunTechie on April 08, 2011, 06:09:27 am
I indicated that I would begin work immediately and Rive quickly paid me half of the full price I asked for the work. River and I spoke around 5:00pm CT on Friday.

True

Quote
I spent the weekend reviewing his site structure to make sure I understood what he was doing,

Apearantly irrelevant as he refused communications with me threw Skype throughout the weekend

Quote
River wanted a complete site redesign that was still xHTML compliant.

As per conversations (anyone want to emails and Skype) I wanted a frame/template but couldn't afford the graphics ... hmm .. just like I said.

Quote
On Tuesday, I received an email from River stating that he wanted to terminate the contract and report me as a scammer here because I hadn't done the work. Keep in mind, we talked on Friday at 5:00pm and this email came on Tuesday near 3:00pm for a COMPLETE SITE REDESIGN.

Fascinating how he emphasises a 'complete site redesign' for a templates/frame as discussed, most likely without graphics .. hmm.
Also, I never sent it for work not done, thou that was part of it, but I sent said email (as stated inside of it) because of no communications, I asked him to communicate with me before he started and nothing .Huh I had no choice but to assume nothing had started due to no communication //??? wander if that qualifies at lack of communication ?!?

I payed, attempted multi-communications and got none in return until after I sent the termination email.   I've gotten fired for that before ...

Quote
After some discussion with River (through email and Skype, both which I have logs of and would be happy to provide to the community as evidence if requested) it was decided that he would not cancel the contract and we would continue work as we agreed.  I also explained to River that I was dealing with a terminally ill family member which I felt effected the speed at which work could be done. He stated he understood and we even had, what I thought, was a nice phone conversation.

True, within reason.

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So, I continued to work on the site as we agreed and today I asked River if he could do a Skype call at 6:30pm CT to which the only response I received was 'your time or mine'.

True, until 6:00pm came when I called and attempted voice Skypes repeated for 2+ hours with zero response to a predetermined contact time.

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A few hours later, I received a 'CONTRAcT TERMINATED' email and then came here to find this post by River listing me as a scammer.

True, partly, but as I explained in the post, I did not call him a scammer I stated the communications issues and lag of proof only.  And stated that I had no choice (as this is the only negative experience posting I there is)

Quote
So the bottom line is this: River is not a web designer and obviously has no idea the work it takes to do a complete web design. That's evidenced by him thinking an entire site redesign could be done in what amounts to two days (spare the weekend).  Additionally, River is so impatient and so scared of getting 'scammed' that he's much too quick to label people who are trying to help him (at a much lower rate than usual, I might add) as scammers. As to his  'not seeing the refund that was promised', I can only say that River is lying. He is well aware that when we spoke on Tuesday evening it was decided that there WOULD BE  no refund (why would I continue to work on a project I was going to stop and refund money on?)  And as far as his demand for a refund after terminating the contract tonight, I'm sure someone not responding in 3-4 hours off of business hours is hardly evidence of that person being a scammer.

I am not a scammer and I am offended that River has chosen to only present one side of the story AND outright lie about agreements. He says he has an email where I tell him I will issue him a refund. I have the entire thread and Skype chat that went on AFTER that email where he said 'ok, I'm sorry for jumping the gun, let's continue work'. Did River think I would do a refund and then perform the rest of the work for free? Is that how HE does business? I think we all know better than that. The bottom line is River is sensitive about being scammed (he said in our phone conversation it had happened to him before, so I understand it) and jumped the gun several times - especially with posting to this board.

I paid up front, so who's scared of being scammed?
I got no communication or proof of work, as well when I was told something would happen, it never did, so now who's blatantly lying.
(anyone want the emails / skypes)

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Will River receive a refund? Absolutely. However, I will deduct the cost of the work already done and refund the rest. I'm also going to formally request that River either remove this post calling me a scammer from this board or post proof where I 'promised a refund' and didn't deliver -- but post the ENTIRE conversation.

To deduct the cost of work done requires upfront proof of said work having been done, there was none, due to no communications issues on his part. Soooooo ...

Quote
Thank you for hearing my side, community, and I hope for a quick and fast resolution between River and myself. I also hope he learns a bit of patience and not to be so aggressively paranoid or else the chances of his site actually getting done by ANYONE are slim to none.

Patience is an invalid argument when you do not deliver on simple communications ad pre-determined dates/times.

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I know I will never consider working with him again even if this is resolved.

That makes 1 of us unfortunately, under different circumstances.




Unlike him, I hold no malice or hostility towards him, As I've said before, he could have simply kept in basic daily communication, to keep me updated, but he did not, and he didn't deliver anything he said he world, when he said he would (including demos).

I understand that he is dealing with personal issues, but when that affects a contract to the point you can't even communicate on a basic level, or when you say you will, then as a professional in your field, you should have the courtesy to refund any/all moneys and inform the client that you will be unable to keep your word.  It's not a hard thing to do, but it is professional, you then have to the you need to care for personal issues and the client can go to another vendor to get there contract completed.  Everyone is happy.  Anything else is grounds for termination of contract and the client then gets responses/flames from illegitimate contractors(by contents of posting only) such as him.

Thank You,
Anthony Papillion (CajunTechie)



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Emails



From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:23:00 -0700

{this was an encrypted message}

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Public Key
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:46:07 -0700


I updated my public key on my website .. issues with the last one.
Please update at your convenience.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:08:16 -0700


Please contact me regarding some minor coding issues before starting the
project.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:29:31 -0500 (02/04/11 04:29:31 PM)


No problem. Will contact you when I get back home.

On 04/02/2011 06:08 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> Please contact me regarding some minor coding issues before starting the
> project.
>
--------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:27:26 -0500 (02/04/11 09:27:26 PM)


Just checked and it's there :-) Thank you for the payment.
Will you have a few moments to talk on Skype a bit tomorrow?
I have a few questions and I want to get your clarification.

On 04/02/2011 11:18 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> Please confirm you received.
>
---------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:18:53 -0700


Please confirm you received.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
---------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 21:30:18 -0500 (03/04/11 07:30:18 PM)


Yes I did! I'm sorry for the delay I've been with a sick family member
most of the day. Are you available tonight or tomorrow?

On 04/03/2011 06:12 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> you wanted to talk with me today?
>
---------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    availability
Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 2011 22:34:12 -0700


Could not parse PGP/MIME message
gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
gpg: public key is 4F649839
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4F649839
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (encrypted.asc), "This is a digitally encrypted message part"
---------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:12:47 -0700


Could not parse PGP/MIME message
gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
gpg: public key is 4F649839
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4F649839
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (encrypted.asc), "This is a digitally encrypted message part"
---------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 21:41:28 -0500 (03/04/11 07:41:28 PM)


Great! Looking forward to connecting.
No, your message wasn't encrypted. Was it supposed to be?

On 04/03/2011 09:41 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> Sounds good
>
> hey does it say this message is encrypted on your end?
>
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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 21:43:46 -0500 (03/04/11 07:43:46 PM)


I'm. sorry, it WAS encrypted.

On 04/03/2011 09:41 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> Sounds good
>
> hey does it say this message is encrypted on your end?
>
----------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 19:41:42 -0700


Could not parse PGP/MIME message
gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
gpg: public key is 4F649839
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4F649839
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (encrypted.asc), "This is a digitally encrypted message part"
----------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 20:02:33 -0700


unfortunately your messages to me are not encrypted .. they only have a
signature with them

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone


On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 21:43 -0500, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> I'm. sorry, it WAS encrypted.
>
> On 04/03/2011 09:41 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> > Sounds good
> >
> > hey does it say this message is encrypted on your end?
> >
----------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: proposal
Date:    Sun, 03 Apr 2011 21:17:10 -0700


Could not parse PGP/MIME message
gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
gpg: public key is 4F649839
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4F649839
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (encrypted.asc), "This is a digitally encrypted message part"
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    available
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:41:42 -0700


Could not parse PGP/MIME message
gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
gpg: public key is 4F649839
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4F649839
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (encrypted.asc), "This is a digitally encrypted message part"
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    available?
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:24:09 -0700


Can you talk?

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    contract
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:09:04 -0700


Since this contract was payed for and it was supposed to be done or at
least started by now, I must delare this contract as terminated since
you have not communicated with me regarding its status.  and I will
require my money (225 BTC) back .. address attached, or I will have to
put your information into the scammers lists on bitcoin.org

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone

         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (tt.txt.tar.gpg)
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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: contract
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:12:42 -0500 (04/04/11 05:12:42 PM)


I do not agree that this contract has been violated as we are not even
24 hours past the 'decided upon start' of the contract, which we agree
was to be today (Monday, April 4th, 2011). As I explained to you on
yesterday, I have been dealing with a sick family member but, even with
that, I have began work on your site.

I'm requesting that you reconsider your course of action and consider
how YOU would want to be treated if YOU were dealing with a terminally
ill family member. If you still choose to terminate the contract, I will
provide you with the work I have completed within 24 hours and deduct
the cost of that work from your refund.

Anthony

On 04/04/2011 07:09 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> Since this contract was payed for and it was supposed to be done or at
> least started by now, I must delare this contract as terminated since
> you have not communicated with me regarding its status.  and I will
> require my money (225 BTC) back .. address attached, or I will have to
> put your information into the scammers lists on bitcoin.org
>
--------------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: contract
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:33:55 -0500 (04/04/11 05:33:55 PM)


Thank you for your prompt reply.  If you reread our conversation from
Skype, you will notice that I *did* state that I would begin Monday.
Since I assume you know some about web design, I also assume you know
that it would be shortchanging you to have a fifteen minute conversation
with you then jump into coding a site. I took the weekend to review your
existing code and to form a 'plan of attack' on how to most efficiently
perform the work we agreed on.

As to terminally ill, you're correct that I didn't mention it. Since
that's rather private information, I felt it was appropriate only to
inform you that the person was ill. I saw no reason to go into deeper
detail than that.

Indeed, I have started it. Right now, I'm working on the CSS and a
couple of idea I hope to run by you by tomorrow evening (April, 5, 2011)
or Wednesday (April, 6, 2011) I think you'll be rather pleased with the
two ideas I'm working on as they integrate into the Bitcoin 'feel' while
still looking professional and sleek.

Lastly, I've gone to the MIT PGP server and searched for your key
(thefiatfreezone@gmail.com) and it can't seem to find it. Is this the
correct account your key is associated with? If it is, could you please
attach your key to an email so I can import it? I think I'm encrypting
to an incorrect email address the other key I have.

Thank You,
Anthony Papillion
4/4/2011 : 7:31pm CT



On 04/04/2011 07:21 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> First off, you stated on Skype that you could begin right away .. so I
> was expecting at least communication today ... and nothing.
>
> Second, you didn't mention terminally ill, you said an ill family
> member, that could me a flu so I apologise for assuming anything.
>
> If you have started on it .. great, my apologies, we shall continue and
> finish it, however, communication was expected, as mentioned previously
> by email.
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: contract
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:21:40 -0700


First off, you stated on Skype that you could begin right away .. so I
was expecting at least communication today ... and nothing.

Second, you didn't mention terminally ill, you said an ill family
member, that could me a flu so I apologise for assuming anything.

If you have started on it .. great, my apologies, we shall continue and
finish it, however, communication was expected, as mentioned previously
by email.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Phone died!
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:30:45 -0500 (04/04/11 07:30:45 PM)


I am SO sorry! My phone died on me without me noticing how close to
death it was. Might we consider this conversation another time? I've
truly learned a LOT tonight! You've totally sold me on Bitcoin!


--
Anthony Papillion
Software Development and IT Services
Advanced Data Concepts

Office: (918) 919-4624
Mobile: (918) 320-9968
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Phone died!
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:37:48 -0700


lol

I figured your phone died ... well, what an adventure it is!

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Phone died!
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:39:36 -0500 (04/04/11 07:39:36 PM)


Indeed it is! Thank you SO MUCH for the time you spent explaining things
to me tonight.

On 04/04/2011 09:37 PM, The Fiat Free Zone wrote:
> lol
>
> I figured your phone died ... well, what an adventure it is!
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Phone died!
Date:    Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:46:01 -0700


if it helped, it's all good

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    website
Date:    Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:40:32 -0700


Could not parse PGP/MIME message
gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
gpg: public key is 4F649839
gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4F649839
gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment


         PGP/MIME-encrypted message header attachment (encrypted.asc), "This is a digitally encrypted message part"

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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: website
Date:    Tue, 5 Apr 2011 18:49:01 -0500 (05/04/11 04:49:01 PM)


Hi!

I'm on my way home and will reply asap




On 4/5/11, The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com> wrote:
> {no text body}

--
Sent from my mobile device

Anthony Papillion
Lead Developer / Owner
Get real about your software/web development and IT Services
(918) 919-4624

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie
My Blog:   http://www.cajuntechie.com
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: website
Date:    Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:30:40 -0700


Our conversation the other night .. I redid the math

21,000,000.00000000 =
21,000,000,000,000.00 BTC max / 7,000,000,000 ish humans =
3,000 each if every human was to only use BTC

2 billion (ish) are in tech dead zone.
2 billion (ish) are in negative situation incapable of using bitcoin

21 trillion / 3 billion =
7,000.00 each

and governments won't allow the human numbers to get higher without a
major population reduction war ...

So valuable no matter how u look at it.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    thefiatfreezone@gmail.com
Subject:    Website
Date:    Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:52:41 -0500 (06/04/11 06:52:41 AM)


Good Morning,

Unfortunately, I was unable to decrypt your message yesterday and have
no idea what it said. However, I'm assuming it was enquiring about the
status of the website so I'm going to update that.

I'm putting a few touches on it today and working with a few CSS
issues that aren't quite working the way I want them to. I hope to be
done by around 6pm CT and have a site to run by you for your approval.
If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Sorry this note is so short but I'm on my mobile. Will write more
detail later if need be.

Anthony

--
Sent from my mobile device

Anthony Papillion
Lead Developer / Owner
Get real about your software/web development and IT Services
(918) 919-4624

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie
My Blog:   http://www.cajuntechie.com
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Website
Date:    Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:20:47 -0700


I will probably approve of it in any case, however, did you notice when
looking that the existing site that all the data fields are inside of
divs that have clsWhatever at the end?

That is part of the naming convention, so that all related data fields
are grouped together, it's a database thing.

Hopefully you've kept to that, but if you haven't .. I just have to
change alter the page to include it.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    thefiatfreezone@gmail.com
Subject:    Update
Date:    Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:30:06 -0500 (06/04/11 02:30:06 PM)


Finishing up within the hour. Will send url

--
Sent from my mobile device

Anthony Papillion
Lead Developer / Owner
Get real about your software/web development and IT Services
(918) 919-4624

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie
My Blog:   http://www.cajuntechie.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Update
Date:    Wed, 06 Apr 2011 17:23:50 -0700


You stated you were going to show me an example a while ago?


--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    update
Date:    Wed, 06 Apr 2011 18:57:04 -0700


What happening here? You said you were going to get back to me tonight
and show me a demo?


--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Update
Date:    Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:57:06 -0700


Anthony,

As it's Midnight (local) and you have not responded, I'm am concerned as
to the well being of things with your family.

However, It is very important that this contract finishes very soon, it
has become a time sensitive issue for me.

If things have taken a turn for the worse, please inform me of your
status in regards to this contract, give me what you have completed to
date, and I will find someone else to complete the rest, it is very
important that this finish asap.

Please respond.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    thefiatfreezone@gmail.com
Subject:    Call?
Date:    Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:30:08 -0500 (07/04/11 11:30:08 AM)


Can you give me a call @ 630 today on skype?  Thanks

--
Sent from my mobile device

Anthony Papillion
Lead Developer / Owner
Get real about your software/web development and IT Services
(918) 919-4624

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie
My Blog:   http://www.cajuntechie.com
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From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Call?
Date:    Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:40:28 -0500 (07/04/11 12:40:28 PM)


Can we do 630 mine?

On 4/7/11, The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com> wrote:
> 6:30 my time or yours?
>
> --
> Love is given -> never earned.
> Trust is earned -> never given.
>
> The Fiat Free Zone
> https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
> Skype: thefiatfreezone
>
>
> On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:30 -0500, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>> Can you give me a call @ 630 today on skype?  Thanks
>>
>
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

Anthony Papillion
Lead Developer / Owner
Get real about your software/web development and IT Services
(918) 919-4624

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie
My Blog:   http://www.cajuntechie.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Call?
Date:    Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:42:47 -0700


6:30 my time or yours?

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    Re: Call?
Date:    Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:31:59 -0700


Sounds good ... I'm -8, your -6 correct (2 hour difference)

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone
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In here I tried to call 5 times and left 1 or two voice mails

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

From:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
To:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
Subject:    termination of contract
Date:    Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:36:10 -0700


Anthony,

Unfortunately, as this has taken so long, a week now, and you have not communicated with me (and generally don't), I have no choice but to terminate this contract.

I understand, if what you stated is true, that you have family issues to resolve, however, the rest of the world does not stop because of that.  Hence if there was any reason that your personal matters would have interfered with business, you should have stated so immediately, refunded all money, and allowed me to move to another vendor.

In the future when you tell someone that a simply xhtml 1.1 template shouldn't take a professional to long, perhaps you should explain what your definition of 'to long' is.  Since everyone I have talk with others in regards to this, and they have stated it shouldn't take more that a few hours, I will go with that.

Since you continuously state one thing then do another, I have no further choice but to 'bite the money you owe me' as you would bill me for the work that you have clearly not done or shown any proof of even upon request.

I will at this point simply tell the forums of your work ethics, or lack there of.

I do hope that your family issues are resolved expediently.

Good luck.

--
Love is given -> never earned.
Trust is earned -> never given.

The Fiat Free Zone
https://www.thefiatfreezone.com
Skype: thefiatfreezone

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:    Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>
To:    The Fiat Free Zone <thefiatfreezone@gmail.com>
Subject:    Refund
Date:    Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:57:15 -0500 (07/04/11 06:57:15 PM)


Your money will be refunded within 24 hours in full.

--
Sent from my mobile device

Anthony Papillion
Lead Developer / Owner
Get real about your software/web development and IT Services
(918) 919-4624

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/cajuntechie
My Blog:   http://www.cajuntechie.com

===========================================================================================================


Want any more logs ... I have tones of system logs and parsed data .. etc ... just ask

http://centregold.com/

seemed sketchy when i got this email:

"We haven't been able to verify your recent order. Please send us copies of the following documents to our fax +1 (888) 528-3880 or our e-mail cg@centregold.ca at your earliest convenience:
- A copy of your Photo ID (Drivers License, Passport, State ID, Military ID, Student ID, Medical Insurance Card or other forms of identification).
- A copy of your recent Utility Bill clearly showing your phone nubmer.
- A copy of both sides of your Credit Card, which you have used to place an order with us.
- A copy of your recent Credit Card Statement for the credit card you have used to place an order with us.

Upon receipt of your documents, we will review your order and get back to you as soon as possible.

Thank you for using Centregold!

Sincerely,
Centregold
www.centregold.ca
(Where speed and quality merge)

I've successfully used Centregold before.

Just wasn't sure if that seemed legit or not

I add GIFTOMATIC on Biddingpond.com to the scammers list.  He has taken by money on an auction and not shipped or responded.  I have proof of payment as the payment was forwarded by the site itself.

Is it safe to assume someone who has -20 otc rating is a scammer?

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kettchxxii

we did a small transaction, he left me a 10 rating, but he never completely fulfilled the agreement, though I told him it was fine if he didn't as I was a winner either way. I don't have my password so I couldn't leave him a rating, but it would have obviously been 1 as the value was only 15$ or 4 BTC. Seems all he was doing was abusing of the WoT

Yep, kettchXXii is a scammer (name is catch22 if you look closely) Attempted to get me to send my steam code and wallet address then hed pay me bitcoins, obviously im not that stupid, but he should surely be banned.

whats a catch22? O.o

justcause told me I had won an auction for an Amazon gift card. I had let him know in advance that I would escrow the funds via ClearCoin if I won, so I did so with a charity escrow. He wrote back asking "how do i know when i send  you the gift card you wont just run away with it" implying he wanted me to send him the bitcoins first. I made it clear there was already no way I was getting the money back, so I couldn't have any motivation to scam him. He then wrote back saying he had lost everything on his hard drive, including his bitcoin wallet and amazon gift card codes, so he couldn't complete the deal. I asked how long it would take him to get a new gift card and he said 1-2 months. When I told him we could still complete the deal and it would save him from negative feedback, he became quite belligerent.

I can't say for sure that justcause intended to scam me, because if he lost his wallet he really can't receive the BTC I've escrowed. But at any rate I won't do business with him again. Even if he is telling the truth, he should have eaten the cost of his error.

Just tell him to make a new wallet and send the coins to it. If he denies

DaddyGreenJeans aka Gordon/Cassie Gameson is a scammer.

The user "Eagle_", as mentioned in IRC, is pulling dirty tricks to attempt to scam

May 06 13:17:21 * Eagle_ (5db6963e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.182.150.62)

He sends an e-Check from Paypal that takes 3-5 days to process and clear both parties. However he demands instant payment. What would then happen is he can cancel the send at any time. Paypal advises you not to ship until payment clears.


I did not fall victim to this, as I politely asked him to wait for the check to clear. Later the check was cancelled, as I expected. Had I sent him the BTC he was asking for, I would have lost money

Lesson: Do not accept e-checks.

e-checks are fine if you wait for the payment to be cleared. but paypal is never safe with bitcoin transactions as he can dispute it

ROFL he scammed for 19$? must be a 13 year old kid. alert Paypal, dispute if you can, and throw in that he is a minor :) it may or may not be true but they might freeze his account xD

funny, but possibly true

http://www.mediafire.com/?eeu5eco57shjxh6
Scammer
"the upload folder is full"

Why thankyou nster!!,
The mediafre link is the above image.

yea I doubted anyone was going to download it so might as well save everyone some time and do it myself... took me a whole 10 seconds :/

Addition to my previous post regarding  CajunTechie -> Anthony Papillion <papillion@gmail.com>


Has anyone noticed that he requested I remove my post but kept his up .. forcing me to defend myself from his attack.

CajunTechie is definitely a  scammer and a liar ... no maybes.

Come to think of it .. he scammed me 2 times ...

First scamming me out of 225 BTC that he still owes me,
then scamming me on the posting here.

This thread is one of the first things a bitcoin-trading newbie should read.

Met my first scammer in #bitcoin-otc a few days ago going by the name of Quizzy. He asked me to send my bitcoins first and when I sent them he suddenly disappeared without paying. I let my guard down because he had a cumulative rating of 3. He ripped off 5 btc out of me nonetheless.

I have been trading for a few months and just encountered my first scammer (luke-jr - Luke Dashjr luke@dashjr.org). Beware, he's also operating a mining pool which is setup as a front to scam miners out of their profits. This guy will try every devious method to lie, cheat, and steal.

Seeing as though luke-jr is a very well-established member in this community, and has only positive ratings in the WOT (including a rating from Keefe, the most highly-rated member of the WOT), some evidence is in order.

There's a lengthy thread elsewhere on the forum detailing how this ruhvix character tried to scam luke-jr out of USD 7.25.

The problem with cashcow was finally solved. I have received my bitcoins. Please read Joe's explanation in cashcow's main thread.
 

Here is the copy of my post in marketplace about probable scam from the side of cashcow.no-ip.org casino operator joe. I will not recommend to try his service NOW. At least until he will appear on forum
and refund my considerable amount of bitcoins that never were sent to my withdrawing address.

*sigh* Hushmail addresses really seem to yeild scammers....
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8418.40
Several people have been scammed in this thread

This (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=13937) guy scammed me for as much as 3.50 bitcoins.
http://i53.tinypic.com/6eiywg.jpg

There might be a dude who is trying to scam me. He set up a refund-based escrow on clearcoin that will refund in 1 month if he holds his funds. I sent him a 300 video card with the understanding(at least on my part) that he would release the funds once he got a tracking number. He is claiming that he did not understand this condition at the time, and does not want to release, but my card is being shipped to his address regardless. I could intercept the package before it reaches him, but then I would be out 34 dollars over basically nothing, and I would not get my video card back for like a week. He is at this point in time refusing to give me any identification, like his steam, email associated with the escrow, or a phone number for "safety"(yet it was safe for him to give me his address). If I were to convince him to yield this information, then along with the escrow agreement, the value of the items being exchanged, and the written messages between us, would I be able to pursue legal action if he scams me? At the very least, will clearcoin do anything?


The forum member in question is "Dylan".

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14767

He has 5 posts total, registered the day before our trade, and all of his posts are about buying stuff. Can anyone confirm or deny this person as legit? Is there a way an admin can get a transcript of both sides of our exchange of messages?

Dylan showed up on my scammer radar yesterday. I had not collected enough data to post a warning about him as of yet. I suspect that Dylan (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14767) == Pompano (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14127), but again not enough data to support this suspicion.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9550.0 (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9550.0)

I had actually suspected the same thing, their register dates are close and they both messaged me about the same item. I'm talking to Pompano at the moment.

Hi, there is a scammer around by the name of Citiz3n, DO NOT TRADE WITH HIM!
He scammed me.

OK, Citiz3n, thanks for the heads-up! Appreciated!

I just lost money in a transaction with madhatter. Details described here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10785.0

Cashcow.no-ip.org is still honest business.  :)

So i've noticed that there is some Douche creating Lots and Lots of new accounts, And constantly makes simmilar threads related to buying PPusd with bitcoins, Everythread like this that i've seen, Has him talking to himself with Another account saying things like "thanks for the trade, Sent him the btc first"

Guys, When your gonna do buisness, Go look at the users "most recent posts", It should be pretty easy to pickout a scammer.
I've seen this Far too often and i went ona rage posting Useless BEWARE posts in all those threads, Needless to say they we're Appropriatly removed.

So, y'know, Be careful guys

I don't think "BEWARE" posts are useless at all - I've been doing the same with the "lastminer" scammer. It's a good idea to back it up with the "report to moderator" button, however - a scam post that's been deleted is better than a scam post with a warning attached :-)

-1 to shooter_mcgavin (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11394)

Canceled a locked-in trade not 48 hours after we had made the deal because difficulty went up.

xerces, just stopped replying after i sent paypal money.

I'm pretty sure I've been scammed out of 30 BTC on BitcoinMarket by b4rrydoyle. I made three trades of 10 BTC for PPUSD, and b4rrydoyle immediately ordered a fourth. I asked him to provide some identifying information before I continued, and shortly thereafter all four payments were held by PayPal pending investigation of an unauthorized account activity claim. Knowing PayPal, I don't hold out much hope of ever seeing the money.

I've contacted Dustin in hopes that he can help me identify the perp. Listed email address is choupex@yahoo.fr. I will offer a 5 BTC reward to anyone who can verifiably get me this person's real name, home address, and telephone number.

I have had the same experience as Ian and my paypal account was limited (can't withdraw ANY money) because of it. They want me to fax proof of shipment.

It was the same user b4rrydoyle, user 5184 on BitcoinMarket.

If this is somehow a misunderstanding I will update this post and thread.

Anybody speak french and have an eBay account?  Try contacting the buyers from his recent auctions.  Explain that he scammed you and ask if they have a return shipping address.

Or if you want to get sneaky, explain that you are him, but you lost your access to Choupex2010 on eBay and to verify something for eBay you'll need a copy of the shipping label "you" used to ship it to them.

Here's who he has done business with on eBay... Best of luck hunting him down.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=choupex2010&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

BTCbuyer https://www.bitcoinmarket.com/market/members/view/?market_memberID=6038

His reputation on BCM is all fake.

At first he sold 5 btc @14 lr on BCM which is the bait, then he told me he has some more for sale.

He said he had 200 more bitcoin for sell @14.4 and I have to pay him by LR first, I believed him and paid 504$ for 35 btc. After I paid he was off line.

His LR id : U0696054 (DzhunietDzhuniet)

His MSN and yahoo messenger: richielambert31@yahoo.co.uk

another email: richielambert31@yahoo.com  

I believe this is him: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17409

Could the admin in this forum check if his register email is which I posted above?

Paypal is as good as shit on the internet if you don't buy from a verifiable vendor (like eBay seller that has thousands of positive feedback).

It can be chargebacked too easily; I wont sell BTC even at double the spot rate to an unknown with a PP address. Even if it has a few dozen rep (some people don't mind if they can rip someone off good enough).

Wire transfer or WU is the way to go. Anything that can be chargebacked is simply stupid because it's inherently ultra-risky for the seller if neither party knows each other or has assurances of honesty.

Add on top of that the fact PayPal can legally freeze your account any time they want & they don't like Bitcoin, you would be stupid to use it for BTC transactions.

BTCbuyer scam me 300$ :/

BCM Buyer ID 5810, alias petraki85
paypal address is brice.delannay@gmail.com

Scammed me for >$500 by disputing multiple smaller transactions as "unauthorized" shortly after I received and confirmed payment.

For those of you keeping tally here, the moral of this story is to NOT USE PAYPAL.

ebay user cwheel5940 with 12 positive feedback wond the auction, submitted payment, and then shortly the payment was disputed as unauthorized.

the buyer submitted the following bitcoin address for delivery:
1FVem29X3ugDfbLFuwj77phW16t3ndaPvm

From Ebay:
Buyer:   Chris A. Wheeler   
cwheel5940 (cwheel5940@aol.com) [contact buyer]
Buyer's shipping address:   
Chris A. Wheeler
118 Westminster Rd
West Seneca, NY 14224-1926 United States

The paypal account used for payment (giant red flag that the email address doesn't match):
(Likely this is a hacked paypal account, so nothing against the owner)
An unauthorized account activity claim was recently filed against the
following transaction.

Buyer's name: Michelle Rosmanitz
Buyer's email: arosmanitz@shaw.ca
Transaction ID: 96722664VS0701306

Transaction date: Jun 7, 2011
Transaction amount: $265.00 USD

*edited to add:
here is the ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230629836243

Just got off the phone w/ eBay, their online dispute process isn't setup to handle this situation.  They were entirely uninterested in taking any kind of report or complaint re the fraud and wanted me to just "request" to cancel the auction.  That is I submit a request and the buyer has 7 days to accept/reject, etc.

I really only listed those few bitcoins on eBay as kindof a test when prices had just started to go up.  I won't be doing it again as eBay's dispute processes take far too long.  If I was going to do it in the future I think I would just sell an actual bitcoin wallet stored on cd containing the BTC for sale.  It would then be subject to normal "seller protection", tracking numbers, signature on delivery, etc.  Sellers are generally protected when shipping to a verified address, and are immune from chargebacks if all the "rules" are followed.

Very likely BTCCC.  See here:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11522.0

I really wish Paypal will be a safe way to trade BTC in the future. Its just soooooo convenience.

Is this auction still up? I couldn't find it. Most likely the eBay account was hacked too.

oh me to but until paypal and credit card companies trust bitcoin and adapt their code to confirm transactions, it wont happen.

BitCoin is such a direct threat to them all, for both being an ecurrency and a method for trading goods and services worldwide.

Its really scarey when you think about the potential of bitcoin.

I mean the powers that be want a one world government, military, currency, and court.

BitCoin is a real step in that direction.

yikes !

User: -snip-
Email: -snip-

[IPs to be disclosed if he doesn't respond to our emails]

He filled a chargeback against two of BitMarket.eu sellers. No contact as of today from him.

Edit: It seems that it was Paypal's fault after all. Nothing to see here, move on.

The auction is complete but you can view here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230629836243

will edit my post to add the above link

I was inquiring because you never left a negative for the buyer. Unless you don't think he was responsible and the eBay account was hacked.

I got burned by Coins4Trade :(
paid via MB for BTC, 4BTC @ 13EUR each, gone :(

I've tried to reach, and even replied to the thread, no reply back.

-1 antidote - He is selling stolen steam accounts

-1 tecshare.  tried to offer him a legit account the day after i sold him the one he is complaining about but he declined.  when the account he had got recovered he didn't even want a legit replacement and decided he would rather report me as a scammer.  your loss buddy. 

The account you sold me was stolen by your own admission. I repeatedly asked for a refund me instead you insisted on giving me another account. Given the fact that I could lose my other steam games, what makes you think I want anything else from you other than my BTC? You clearly have no qualms about stealing from people, what makes you think your word is worth more than a pile of dog dook to me? Yes... I'll just trust that this account is not stolen too... brilliant.

BTW your post report counter accusation is quite convincing.

why the fuck would i give you another hacked account when you'd just come back and bitch about it anyways.  clearly you have severe nerd anger and would rather cry about me scamming then get a new account.  there are real people on here scamming and you're shitting up this thread.

kind of convenient how i have this "re: nonhacked steam" june 13


http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7600/lolkh.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/lolkh.jpg/)

Thanks for the public admission. Now what exactly does that screen shot prove?

Hey guys.
The BTCBuyer on this forum is not the same one who scamed you. I personally know this one and they are two separate people. You guys are acidentally slandering a nice person

I just wanted to report NothinG for scamming me out of 2 BTC.  You can view his thread here, the action starts around page 18.  No matter how much evidence I throw at him he refuses to refund the money as promised in the beginning.  I recommend avoid all transactions with this user.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18350.340

I'm not too familiar with MyBitcoin. Can you explain why NothinG wasn't able to receive the 2 BTC you sent? so does MyBitcoin have your 2 BTC right now?

No, NothinG has my 2 BTC but is refusing to refund as he stated and his website went down after I sent him 2 BTC.  I never got what I paid for and he guaranteed refunds.

I thought it was verified by blockexplorer that your 2 BTC wasn't claimed by NothinG. That's where I'm confused.

Well the rabbit hole goes a little deeper.. transfers between mybitcoin accounts don't show up in blockexplorer.  So it's possible those 2BTC aren't even the right ones to be looking at anymore.  It's all just numbers in a DB at this point.

I don't know where this was verified?  He received the BTC, I confirmed it after the payment.

Pending discussion.

ok, spoken with ilikeham.  hes going to look at this tomorrow.  I would like anyone with time to review the block explorer and comment.

A FYI:
Teleshot is a scammer (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=22751.msg286337#msg286337), check the link for the proof.

Reporting xasasx (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30505) as a scammer.
He also had a different nickname, starting with "xcamp" or something like this.

After starting a pyramid game (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=24318.0;all), he stopped updating the sheet, did not do a payout to the winner (me) and disappeared. All the pot came to a single address which did not participate in the game. Stole my 6 BTC and 2 BTC of another guy.  My PM's were left without an answer though the guy was online.

Spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets0.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AmcHoqQeOcSTdGQ1X2oza1dOR2NrYnhISVMyMWM2bXc&output=html

BlockExplorer:
http://blockexplorer.com/address/1MdgxZurg1Tr9zLWrSXntJG1kNdhy56wxf

I have a screenshot of the spreadsheet.

So, scammer: BTCBuyer (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17409)
Ammount: 1.6BTC (+-5%)

He started a game here (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21586.msg271092#msg271092) where he said that
That was over 12 days ago and three days ago I sent him a PM asking if he were ever going to pay up.. needless to say I didn't get any reply..

I should have used an escrow system like ClearCoin, but foolishly wanted to support a new bitcoin start-up ASAP.

I should have known better than to trust a conflict-of-interest riddled deal, whereby an operator of the site would act as a participant in their own system.

I hope somebody else avoids my foolish mistake, and avoids doing any kind of business with the scam site ForBitCoin.com.


Here's what happened (screenshots available if anyone cares to see them).

Dude posted this youtube.com/watch?v=kuxlU1u5y8A showing off his silver, and offering to sell it for bitcoins on forbitcoin.com.

Seems legit, right?  So I send him 15 bitcoins, $450 worth at the time.

Instead of sending me the item for which I've just paid, dude waits around and starts bringing up shipping options, never mentioned in the original ad.

By the time we get on the same page, the price of bitcoins has plummeted, and the price of silver has risen.

Now dude expects me to eat the losses he incurred after the sale of my item.

I tell him that not how it works at eBay works, or any other lawfully regulated point of sale.

He ignore this and keeps trying to extort more money out of me, using my silver bar as a hostage.


Dude is going to have some fun in the FBI party van.  Then the US Postal Inspectors will have their way with him.

If there's anything left (remote, but non-zero, possibility) then I'll take him to court myself, with a civil suit.


Brad Mills seems like a decent guy, though he still hasn't sent me the silver coin I paid him for over a month ago.

I don't know how he got mixed up with the Chinese silver scammer with the Tennassee ID, but he should sever that relationship for the sake of his own legal liability.

I can understand the Canadian postal strike causing delays, but this is absurd.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5435/forbtc.png

He/she is still active on the forum... And I even wanted to deal with him... Thanks for the warning.
I suppose that moderators should claim suspicious users...

[a resolution has been reached with Bitmole -- links removed]

This is sooooooo scamness...

Are you listening to yourself?


I am an idiot about some things, that much is true. I don't always do the smartest thing. Like when I'm losing a fight. Sometimes I will kick the assailant in the balls on the way down. "It's just my nature," said the scorpion to the frog as they both drown.

We were handling the issue in private until you simply told me to wait. Wait for what? The agreement was on completion. A week after completion I decided I'd waited long enough. Assuming I would never get paid, I posted so the community would be aware of your actions. I could be wrong but I felt it was then the only course of action available to me. I understand you're embarrassed or upset at everyone finding out about your deceitful nature. It could all be changed if you admit you stole services and paid for them. Then I could go back into every thread and let the community know I am an embarrassment of a human being for ever doubting you.

You keep saying I never gave you a deadline. You stated "payment on completion" in the original terms. That was the deadline. Hello? Earth to Bitmole. Earth to Bitmole. Come in, Bitmole.


I was interested in receiving payment until it became apparent you intended to not pay, at which point I kicked you in the balls on the way down. I love that you keep saying my lack of professionalism and my inability to deal with delays is the reason you feel being a thief is justified. It really is precious.


You are correct. My regular rate is $85, not $80. Though I do sometimes charge a lesser fee for clients who bring me more work than one-off projects. It really depends on the projects and amounts and such. It's the area of the country not an indicator of skill. Washington DC, New York, some other places charge the most because the cost of living is higher. Web developers in this area charge anywhere from $50-$150 for graphic design and web development, with some more or less in the extremes. Heck, plumbers and builders charge at least $60/hour in this area to swing a hammer. I realize those prices are out of the norm for non-metro U.S. cities and outside the country.

As I said elsewhere I was simply trying to get you to understand, after you came back for revisions to the art, that I couldn't put endless hours into the project. Normally we'd have a contract and an estimate for hours but dealing through the forum was a bit different.

While the art I provided you may have its quality debated, you were offering $12 (1BTC) and so you got $12 worth of effort - that's barely minimum wage in the U.S.. Amazingly, there is no accounting for taste, since after delivery you exclaimed "Superb! This is good enough for me. I'll take it," and so as a client you must have been pleased. Or were you lying then as well?

And as for you being a graphic designer... I can see why you wouldn't think someone could charge that rate. However, remember that you came to me because you couldn't accomplish the task yourself. Recall you said, "What I couldn't get to look right was the shading of the 'ㅂ'. It just doesn't look like it's part of the coin, you know what I mean? It needs to be raised, and I didn't really know how to do that and make it look right."


So none of this has anything to do with your theft of service, only with my unprofessionalism? That's rich... its a laugh riot. Ta-ra-ra-goon-de-yay. I admit I am unprofessional. I work from home while in my underwear. Now will you please go ahead and admit you're a thief?

[edited - bitmole and I are working on a resolution]

A User tried to scam me through paypal.

He agreed to buy 2 5770's from me, sent the money, and as soon as I said that I would ship them out, he tried to reverse the payment through paypal from their dispute resolution center.  I can provide pictures of the messages he sent me agreeing to purchase and such.

*edit:  He is trying to resolve the issue, so I will see how the process goes.   

Edit:
After being contacted by WiseOldOwl he has paid me in full, albeit over a month later.  He was very apologetic.

BITCOIN SCAMMER

scammer purchased bitcoin and paid with paypal, after receiving the bitcoin, creates a dispute with paypal *Unauthorized Claim* and paypal blocks the transfer.

Irtza Kalim
17 Uphall Road
Ilford Essex IG1 2JE
United Kingdom

email: irtza_kalim@hotmail.com
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Irtza-Kalim/514781254
twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/Irtza1

ebay id: mrnice786
http://myworld.ebay.com/mrnice786

bitcoin address - 18oJScESAFpSuzoiby6i5Wb9ZftSvANUMB

We should create some form of vegence defence for scammers. We should be taking down thier IP's and DDoSing them 24/7 with bot nets for scamming!

I'd like to add "yellowcar (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32086.0)" to this list,as he is obviously a scammer.

WARNING
User kidage is a scammer, he asked for 3 Minecraft gift codes from me today. After recieving the codes, he stopped all communicaton. Needless, to say, I never got a payment from him. Be warned, and never do business with this user.

Diamondplus!! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31018

After he received my money (84USD) he havent sent the 6BTC that we have dealed, and dont want to give my money back either

I wouldn't count on that. You have tried to sell off stolen passwords, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=30851). Don't bother deleting/editing it, i've already made a screenshot (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9426/screenfwu.jpg). And you wanted to buy those 6btc via paypal, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33455). Maybe a scammer trying to scam a scammer?

got scammed 15.5 btc
I sent 15.5 btc to seanpd16. he never sent me the amazon gift card
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34407.0

^ update
got in touch with the seller, he says he is willing to pay me back
still pending

Scammed 20BTC from Sick_Boy. He not respond on my messages and I not expect he to send me 2 radeon 5850.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33269.msg418028

Forum member Zem scammed me out of a $175 Moneypak. He's had several days to send my coins so I guess I can say it's official now.

I second the Zem is scammer  stories and more stories to buy time to  rip more people off...I am newbie so I sent first  live and learn going back to old fashion person to person dealings,,,some punk living in mommy's basement is not ripping me off without a good ass kickin

Red

evanbrowne94 scammed me out of 11 bitcoins, and probably one other person for the same amount too.

thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33139.msg414602#msg414602

scammer's bitcoin address that received my coins
1J7Me6F7Y4FiJpA3kLWGCmp115KTJuBrqm

 BtcNmcMiner  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25443 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25443)


 Payed 9 BTC for a month mining contract and no reply since that.

is a stolen account, not yours, i dont want law problems and im not using it, change the password it is still the same, u know it.

for more info:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36577.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36216.0

who is the scammer now?

I think ull gonna be denounced.

I'm sorry but denonunced is not an english word.


BEWARE OF THIS SCAMMER!!!

NEVER EVER SEND HIM THE GOODS IN ADVANCE!!!


He likes very much to use what he didn't pay for....

and beware of users selling stolen accounts....
sounds like he is returning the account to you since you know the password, so doesn't sound like a scammer to me.  Sounds like you sold under false pretenses.

He agreed to the term before the purchase.

He thanked me for the account.

He is using it.

Still, when inquired about the payment, he told me he was going on vacation, and that we would have spoken about it on September.


That is an outright theft.


And by the way, it is not a stolen account, it is a shared account.

Raeldi may be a scammer.

Check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=36492.0

(I can provide email convos) Basicly I had a moneypak of $300 I wanted to trade for BTC.  She said sure.  I placed the $300 in my paypal which caused limitations.  When I sent the $300 the money was retracted by PAYPAL, not me.  We tested the waters with me sending $10 and she sends 1 BTC.  Worked great.

I told her I wanted to send 100, then get my respective BTC three times.  She said no, she will send the BTC when I send three 100 payments.

After some arguing I caved in and send the three 100 payments.  In the thread she said she sent the BTC ( 25 BTC ) which I never received.  And using http://blockexplorer.com/ with my address 1MeQai3fHDsHcdVLS12muKeySobqxuwcXZ you can see the 1  BTC was sent, but the 25 BTC was never sent / received.  The wallet she used is 1516rnmGUDeF4vyBX3NDR5eXd22yKZdPHR.

I told her I'd give her a couple hours to respond, but she has since responded in the thread after she said she sent the BTC, and she sent me an email 5 hours ago saying her internet is down and shes using a cell phone.  If I don't hear back from her I'll contact paypal.  Does that sound standard?

Anyways I learned a valuable lesson and I just wanted to alert you guys of the situation.  I will update if she turns out to be legit or a scammer.  So far it looks like a scammer.

Raeldi is INDEED a scammer.  I can kiss my $300 goodbye.

1 - i didnt purchase, i said, give me user/pass ill check if everything is ok and ill pay (was not ok because he said "i sell" not "i share", and the account is not of his so i dont want law issues, the account owner is/was a blogger/seeder of non legal videos). was not, so i said i dont want it, sorry. btw he said to me that i could not change the pass only when he gave it to me, so i cannot know it before (i would say no if i knew)

2 - i tanked is a proof of?

3 - Im not using it (btw u cant have the proof of, but i can say im not using because of possible law issues)

4 - I said that i was not sure about the account so (i was going on vacation), we could talk about it on my return (about the purchase, because i said i was not interested in atm)

BTW our section moderator marked him (the selling topic) as a scam.. so im not the scammer.. or the moderator is crazy?

1) You agreed to the terms. You might say otherwise, but the PMs have been backup and are under the scrutiny of the appropriated people.

2) That you were grateful for the trade

3) Logs have been sent to the appropriated people

4) You said that you were going on vacation AFTER accepting the deal and receiving the credentials. Obviously you are a liar as you are still here, and not on holiday.

5)  Rest assured that also this has been noted, and the appropriate action will be taken :)


I repeat it: ZEB DEMON IS A THIEF

Don't send the goods first, or he will not pay you.

THIS PERSON IS A SCAMMER:

SEBASTIANO GRECO
via Gambolo, 25
ROMA, Italy
+39.3491827434

Better safe than sorry :)

1 - ahah if someone read the pms just will say ure crazy and a scammer because u say "i sell" but u dont sell anything, u just share account that are not yours. (btw never accepted any terms as u can read)

2 - i was graceful that u gave me user/pass in trust (because i didnt know it till that moment that i could not change the pass)

3 - u cant have megaupload logs, liar

4 - of course, no one has internet on smartphone or laptop.. (and if u have the logs u can check from IP, ops.. u cant have the logs.. liar ;D ) ahah just no words..

please moderators check this user ip and see if it have other accounts here. and can you give us his IP address so we can complain in a police. he steal 20btc from me and 10btc from gellimac.

thank you

borito4 is cammer
buying tt black widow 850W, 2 month ago
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20269
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20269.msg258749#msg258749

his other account
http://www.overclock.net/member.php?u=75234

user: SHIFT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35926)

SHIFT offered to sell me a PSP battery that was, in his words (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33521.0), "working and brand new."  I paid the equivalent of ~$15 in BTC (1.7).  The battery that arrived was broken and in no sort of original packaging.  SHIFT clearly had broken one of the small, plastic tabs off that hold the battery in place.  It also seems he tried to pry the battery open judging from the scratch marks along the side.  SHIFT most likely tried to mod the battery into a Pandora battery or similar. In the process he broke off the plastic tab and bricked the battery. He then proceeded to sell it to me without conscience.  

kansattica (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38691) sold me an amazon gift code that had already been claimed by another member.  Glad I checked it and didn't try and resell.  Beware.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38449.0

Sh1337 is a scammer. Beware.

Update: We are actually trying to resolve this. Will correct this if we rectify this situation.

@Dalamchops

^^Not sure it was a good idea to deal business with anyone who has "Hackforums" in their sig,still good to know he can't be trusted.

gamekingx is confirmed scammer, beware!
Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38299.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38299.0)

Well Unfortunately I must add someone to this list; I had hoped to not have to do this, but it seems that the BitCoin world is a haven for the scammers.

I made a deal through BitcoinAuctioneer with Anthony Piech aka razmatazelite@gmail.com for a purchase of (2) 6950 cards, the deal was outlined in a payment plan, and I send a forward payment, of a little over 6 BTC.

I know its not a lot of funds but in someways that's what makes it worse, that a person would even bother with a scam for ~$60.oo. 

If for some reason this does resolve itself I will gladly make a note or remove this post, but I don't see it happening, I have sent emails to both people (if they really are different people) and have got absolutely no response over the last week.

c0op3r

start a chargeback, and Poof, You get a free bitcoin.
just DO NOT state ANYTHING about bitcoins in the chargeback report, PayPal is "investigating" (locking for a year) any account that is thought to be conducting transactions with bitcoins

Hollie (former know as Ninja) has ordered 2 laser engraved bitcoin cards, but never payed for them even if I've solicitied her many times (and we are talking of 0,5BTC...)

I think I might have to second SHlFT as a scammer. I bought an iPhone 3GS off of him 3 weeks ago and it still has yet to arrive and there is no proof of shipment. Not a good first experience in the community, losing 22 BTC.
Beware!

If you have any info that might help reveal the identity of this clown post it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42084.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42084.0)

http://ntcmltd.co.uk/trade/MtGox/login.htm

I think MtGox or someone else preparing mirror page to make a new scam these days!

There is some one on bitcoin.org.uk who has registered with my name, and has even copied at least 1 post of mine to give it an appearance of being authentic. This person is NOT me, and is most certainly a scammer. Please do not transact with him. I have contacted the administrator there and requested resolution & control of the name. If they are willing to hand it over to me I will post about it here. Until that time DON'T SEND THAT GUY A DIME!

OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44116.0

beware of this user ...

mods please lock this guy up ...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42167.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42013.msg518166#msg518166

Looks like I'm too late to report this guy... He's bad news though.

Beware of user

Vampiro

user id https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41244 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41244)

scammed 15 btc from me before 6 days i pay 15 btc (50%) for an hp touchpad

we make the deal so

i pay 15 btc he send the item, and if i see the item is send i pay the rest.

after 20 minutes he came an give me an number, on that i see nothing (usps dont now this number )

i tell him i dont pay the rest so i dont see if they have send the item.

now after 6 days i nothing see from the package, not on the tracking id (nothing)

he send me an mail:

He let send the package noe (after 6days) back to there adress.
and send me my btc not back.


I MEAN HE NEVER HAVE SEND ANYTHING.


so beware of this man

mfg

has no one here heard of escrow?

every where not sure if this is a scam or at scammer just would like to air out some frustration and hopefully allow this person to do the right thing but im having issues with a user named

"kais3r"

these screen shots should explain it all ....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gboytazz/kasier1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gboytazz/kasier2.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gboytazz/kasier3.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gboytazz/kasier4.png

everyone be cation with this one ...

Wait, so he gave you the key, but just didn't ship a hard copy of the game?

no lol its a xbox game so i didnt get anything from him ...

this guy is full of shit dont listen to him we arent resolving shit he is jsut taking peoples coins and running ....

ban this fuckhead now plz

Beware of user bayer  He seemed like a decent guy, but took $150 from me and ran.  Made a deal with him to buy 50 btc at $3.  Paid $150 via PayPal and haven't heard from him since, even though he has logged into the forums since then.  Opened a case with Paypal.  Hopefully they can reverse the charge and get my money back.   :-\

Right, I'll add the site BTC-E.com to the list.

A few weeks ago I added 25 BTC to my account and four days later it was gone including all transaction and trade records. I sent an email to their support asking if there had been some mistake on their part and if they could return it to me, I also included the MT.GoX redeemable code used. The email got ignored and two weeks later I posted on the forum about it.
This time the owner were quick to reply that I had never sent him any email nor notification of any kind.

So I just thought 'fuck it, he's going to play dumb so I'll play along', so I posted an image of the time the email was sent and just wrote that as I seemed to have caught his attention I would be grateful if he could get the missing funds back to my account. This post was ignored (surprise, surprise) so after yet another four days I sent him a PM and there hasn't been a response yet even though he visit the forum daily.

But I suppose there'll be fifty fanboys covering this up and I'll just have to count my losses and learn not to trust sites that a lot of people use daily, that is, until the next guy loses money.. and the next guy..

I almost hit the Report to Moderator button on your post of Garbage Trolling Spam, Within a quite serious thread wich deals with Banning people who have stolen goods, Clearly, You are fucking around, But are you seriously Trolling in the "Post Scammers here" Pinned thread?

Seriously?

As far as I know, BTC-E.com never supported Mt.Gox redeemable code as a deposit option.
Did you mean a transaction ID? Or maybe it was some other bitcoin exchange site, right? :P

CoinCobb on this forum scammed me.  Sold me an item, I paid and he ignored PMs and never sent it.  I don't think he will be back, but it would be nice to get his name marked scammer.  Mods, please check my PM history with this user and PM me if you need further details.  He had a low post count and I should've used escrow had him send first. The amount was too small for escrow.

Be very, very cautious of doing any business with Peter Lambert or any of the businesses that he has created under the LIF brand  on the GLBSE. Peter has just announced that he is "getting out of the bitcoin business" and claiming that assets that he watched and reported on more than any other individual are "scams". The only scam is his continuing to sell shares in his companies at full prices only moments before claiming to be losing money and closing up shop, while offering a "buy back" at less than 10% of the value of the shares sold moments before. His financials posted on his own website indicate that nothing is wrong.

There is a call for him to be awarded the "scammer" tag on his name.

I was scammed out of 11btc by OneOnABun. What a dick.

Oracle24 and quartz92 are the same person and both have now been marked as scammers.

quartz92 was marked as a scammer but still wanted to sell me some hardware... I asked why he was marked as a scammer and never heard back... however, a couple minutes later, I got a PM from Oracle24 offering to sell the same hardware.  After days of emailing back and forth and him wanting to send him straight BTC or paypal gift, I got enough information to link Oracle24 and quartz92.

Know information on this person:

Known forum usernames:  Oracle24 and quartz92
Known ebay account they reference: klassic9955 - http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=klassic9955&ftab=AllFeedback
Known paypal addresses: eriicc99@yahoo.com
Known email addresses: eriicc99@yahoo.com, "Jack Borcelt" <jborcelt@yahoo.com>

Add the username "celcoid" from this site as a scammer.

Sent him 15 BTC for a 6870 card that he didn't ship. Celcoid hasn't responded to messages since 1-12-2012.
I'd appreciate it if a MOD will brand him as a scammer.

I was scammed for 10.5 bitcoins by "bitcoinhero". Beware of him because of his 56 post count he might seem legit,but he is a scammer.
He sold me unnactivated gift cards and then avoided my messages leaving me with two useless walmart gift cards.
He has logged in several times since then but he will not answer my messages hopefully this will not go unseen.

Got refunded after making some noise :)

NothinG

This is the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33169.0
Failing to give a refund for over 4 weeks now, around 10BTC lost.

After over 30 days I think its safe to say this person is a scam. Lost more money then I care to admit trying to trade GP for BTC.

Original Newbie Thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62992.msg741656#msg741656

Goes by:

AIM: BitcoinExchange
Skype: BitcoinExchange
ICQ: 636676071
Twitter: BitcoinXchange
Email: bitcoinexchange@aim.com

Website is
http://www.bitcoinexchange.cc

don't trade with this individual or use the web sight.

Hm, I don't have any stake or knowledge about his operation. But if it's a scam site, then it needs to be reported as so, can't it be reported with most several browsers today ?

I have reported it to godaddy & filed a complaint per a suggestion in another thread. Short of a moderator locking his thread here on the forum & slapping him with the scammer tag, I'm out of ideas.

Splatter,

Contact me via PM immediately to get your coins. I have no interest in stealing from you, you can see my history on here that I have not stolen from anyone and have no interest in doing so.

We went on hiatus for a couple months and orders still continued to come in, we are issuing refunds for everyone who has sent funds and is requesting them. Please PM me with the details of your transaction so we can get them sorted out.

I've been defrauded by Bind (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=19418) of 18 BTC.

I sent him the payment on the 30th of March, "buying" a SL account: https://blockchain.info/address/1Gy7iXZHnwp1zGK489oQPBP3RMG5fbL8tt


Yeah right! :-[

Sent numerous PMs for the past 3 days, no response.

BEWARE OF THIS SCAMMER!

bulanula
keeping overpayment error for advertisement

22,5 BTC

Total BS. Attempt to discredit and insult my professionalism by a couple of trolls on BTC-E chat.

We had a informal deal for 2.5 BTC for my signature space for 1 month.

He claims he sent me by "accident" 25 BTC instead. No way to verify this claim. For all I know this could be from my aunt for Easter etc.

No overpayment at all.

Since the deal was 2.5 BTC for a month and he SUPPOSEDLY sent me 25 BTC ( could not verify it was really him / anyone can use PhotoShop ) I decided to do the right thing and give him 10 months ( as paid ) and also a bonus 2 months for a total of a year renting out my signature space.

I also wasted 2 hours talking to him about a solution in BTC-E chat ( without compensation from him at all ).

He made a mistake and he wants me to pay for it ???

BTC payment is irreversible. That is the whole point otherwise I would be using USD. There are no "mistakes" and "accidents" in BTC; just like in life if you screw up you face up to the fact and move on. Mistakes costs. And now I have to pay for it :o

I offered him all I could but I will not refund because it defeats the point of BTC. I never forced him to give me 25 BTC at all. I never held a gun to his head. All I asked is 2.5 BTC for my signature ad space for a month. He sends me 1 million BTC by "mistake" then who is the one to blame ?

Suddenly I see 25 BTC coming and he says I am scammer. If I was scammer I would have taken the BTC ( they are still here and not moved by me http://blockchain.info/address/1Bu1424Lf7y3Jz9p4ZyCo2mRSQDwdaXrHa ) and gone off this forum and also not spent 2 hours trying to get some cooperation from him in BTC-E chatroom and work out a solution. I would not scam for 22 BTC :D

You can see the signature is present below in red so I kept my end of the deal.

Don't understand what all the fuss is about really ...

We agreed informally 2.5 BTC for 1 month. I see 25 BTC coming in. He claims it was his mistake. I do my best offer of 10 months ( paid ) + 2 months ( bonus ) for a total of 1 year and also 2 hours BTC-E support talking to him about solution.

TBH all I agreed to was 1 month of space in my signature on this forum for 2.5 BTC. He sends me 25 BTC "by mistake" it is his problem not mine. I could do just one month and that is that but I am trying to be fair and work out a solution. He comes in public BTC-E chat calls me a scammer after I spent 2 hours trying to see a solution.

my verifie again :
verifymessage 1JLM7SC1PM6rr5gRX9rvVvCLo9o7DUh9Hn HPZWEltpv1cnvP6YCk6ffE9FbF6XvxxZmyVCa2fZHSw6wALXZUZzuZ54WScmGTTnKgMJ96x5DjObguV+gOBVjxw= "Smart1985 mybitcointrade.com"

And you know it before you get a transaction ( before the block was found with them ) ... liar
And the deal was only one Month for 2,5 BTC

send Pay Back 22 BTC to : 1PpfNWARwRuU5t8ZkgsU9wpyXyRxRKNxQq

Just more proof he is trying to deface my image and again publicly calls me a liar, thief, scammer, conman ( insulting ) after HE made the mistake and I tried my best condition to fix it ???

He drags other people I worked with into this when the problem clearly is between me and him.

My response :

"It would be nice if he tried and cooperate with me in regards to this matter.

Instead he goes on BTC-E screaming "scammer", insulting me and trying
to make me look like a thief.

He now goes on the forum (
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483.180 ) again trying to look
like a victim and make me look a fool.

Please read my full post on that thread.

I wasted 2 hours of my time trying to resolve this issue yet I am the
one that is repeatedly called a scammer.

I never scammed anyone and won't scam anyone for a couple of BTC.

He claims 25 BTC were sent by mistake. This could be anyone sending me BTC.

Even if he proves that he did indeed sent ( through PhotoShop ) then I
believe it goes against all the BTC principles.

Payments are not meant to be reversed. I did not force him to give me
anything. He makes a mistake.

In my job and in life if I make a mistake I get fired or worse. There
is no "going back" just like in BTC.

I am not to profit from his mistake here but I think my deal was fair.

We agreed initially 2.5 BTC = 1 month.

I get sent 25 BTC then I decide to give him 10 months + 2 months bonus
( total 1 year ) and also 2 hours of my time trying to resolve the
issue.

This is the best I can do in the circumstances, especially after he
did these unprofessional steps towards me ...

I feel sorry for him but maybe this will teach him a lesson so that
next time he is more careful.

I don't have to do a refund because he makes mistakes. Especially
after he takes it out on me publicly and calls me a liar, thief,
scammer in loads of places."

After :

-spending 2 hours on BTC-E trying to resolve it
-staying up late till midnight
-insulting me publicly here and on BTC-E ( liar, thief, scammer )
-involving some other acquaintances of mine ( that have absolutely no connection with this deal )
-giving him my best offer with 2 months added free
-all this because of HIS mistake and he takes it out on me
-involving sockpuppets like karl1982 and pigeons to downrate me and insult me publicly
-me putting the ad up as I was supposed to

I really don't know what exactly to believe ...

Get my coins back ,
You know thats the true that wasnt the deal over 1 month.
and i write here and in the BTCE chat after you didnt hold your word to payback.

Thats is all what i want ...
what will you if you make a mistake and an other people can correct your mistake ?

Update :
Really you are a Liar !

time stamp 8.04 16:16:30

http://cryptocoin.info/log.php

Read self


You says ok no problem you send it back ...
and after you didnt do it ... and now you mean i was unfair to you O.o

I did not demand anything from you but 2.5 BTC for 1 month which you agreed. You now claim to have sent "by mistake" 25 BTC to me and I gave you 10 months + 2 months bonus.

It was not me that forced you to sent me 1 million BTCs etc. Your mistake you gotta learn to face up to it.

I did my best to compensate but I won't give refund after you call me a thief, scammer, liar etc. and publicly make an idiot of me ...

I did give you what you paid for in the end, the ad is there and will be there for 1 year since 8 April 2012 till 8 April 2013.

You have the power to rectify the problem.

You choose not to rectify the problem.

You admit that there is potentially even a small chance that the payment is from him.

You refuse to refund it.

This is called bad faith.

Stop posting your bullshit opinions and stop thinking anyone cares about how you think. Paste the conversation (in a different thread) where you actually agreed to how much to charge him and how long to charge him, then let someone else verify if he actually sent it. If he is lying, he is losing a lot of reputation for his business. If he is telling the truth, you're petty.

Take it a new thread though, christ.

Why is it that you can't give him back the 22.5BTC? Maybe I TL;DR'd the shit out of this, but it looks like this classic example that happens to me daily;

Go into Wendy's
"I'd like a bacon 99'r, please"
"That'll be $.99, please"
-pay with $100 dollar bill-
Counter-jockey hands me a crate full of bacon-99'rs (100 of them, exactly)
"Sorry, sir. I know you asked for change, but this is the best I can do. Here's 100 burgers."
I protest.
"Sir, how dare you. I'm going to call the police if you don't accept this deal."

Classic. Happens every time.

That happened to be twice yesterday. Fucking Wendy's.

Hey bitches!

Either take your little hissy fit to a thread where you two can act the fool all by yourselves, or go get a room and make up. bully- you are wrong in this, smartie you are acting waaay too much like a drama princess. Grow up and end this sorry bullshit, both of you do the right thing and stop whining in public. Nobody wants to hear it, and you are both embarrassing yourselves with this juvenile trash.

Just a heads up user LIberate ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51259 ) is a scammer.

He borrowed 8.5BTC from me to return on April 3, 2012. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=71813.msg813515#msg813515

Avoid doing business with this guy.

Quoted everything just in case.

You missed this post where bulanula mentioned that transaction. ::)

Just because someone can't claw back their money through a bank or credit card company, doesn't preclude people from behaving civilly. It's just no one can strong arm you into obeying any rules. The way some people talk, they are the type who would snatch $20 they saw fall from a persons pocket and think "finders keepers, should have kept a better eye on your money sucker." No bitcoin cops to do anything to you but you're still being a massive jerk-off.

mcorlett's compliant about giantdragon and their service, CoinURL, was split here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82641.0

I purchased some Magic: the Gathering Online tickets from Alarmoz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55563) a few days ago and just today got contacted by Wizards about the tickets being stolen and my account being under investigation.  I suspect they will take the tickets back from me.

Perhaps a short review of what his personality was all about here before investing? All posts have been about selling easily stolen online deliveries or buying btc for reversible PayPal. What did you expect?

Hey, think positive, at least his constant and annoying bump bump bump posts are now obsolete. :P

I didn't really care to check since he gave first and as far as I knew, MTGO tickets were irreversible.  Apparently they are not, however, after discussing with the Wizards support, they're going to let me keep the tickets.  His MTGO id was 'cyntrez', but I suspect he is banned by now.

Looks like he is back, bumping his threads with impunity.

btcx... you might want to formally report this scumbag to moderation to have the scammer tag officially applied.

We know about it. The request was denied because no user ended up getting harmed.

See? The system works. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Hello to all i want to post an scammer !!


Today i have make a post that i have 400€ ukash to change and one guy named : Riddleman
said he could change.

I send him, for an test change 100€, and the 19 numbers ukash code that i bought today offline in an patrol station and he said he make the deal and the BTC is on the way but it takes a few minutes.

He said he  must look first how he can change the code to money ( i thought a guy who change should know that )

he write : Thanks! Going to Ukash now to check the code, give me a minute to find out how it works.

and then : I think it worked, thanks! I have sent you the BTC, it's just waiting for the next block so it gets confirmed. Can you send the other codes as soon as you read this message?

i write : no i first want to get my BTC until i send you codes again

After 10 minutes he said the code is not right and hes send the money if i send the right code !!

Then i called ukash and they told me that the code was used at the moment i give him the code !!!


SO MY MONEY IS AWAY AND I GET NOT BTC !!!

BEWARE OF Riddleman !!! ( Newbei with no rating on bitcoin-otc offers large ammounts of BTC !!!! )

HE IS AN SCAMMER !!

best regards merlin1234

Let this be a lesson to you to not trade with newbies without some due diligence!

Did you think you were going to get lucky? Gambling instinct?

Escrow is available - use it!

The IP logs show that Gabriellz9 is the same as Riddleman. They both use 88.159.122.55.

I started a trade with -berniemadoff- for PS3 games 1/2 before shipment and 1/2 on receipt for a total of 7 BTC.  After sending 3.5 never heard from him again.  Does not respond to IM's.

(( this transaction, first confirmed in block chain in block 174781 @ 2012-04-08 12:10:49 ))
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/3715911/84bfc754ff8e60d1042be7e6c2a0e6b83d5fdc4919a4e7c9efac6c86bec67d0a (http://blockchain.info/tx-index/3715911/84bfc754ff8e60d1042be7e6c2a0e6b83d5fdc4919a4e7c9efac6c86bec67d0a)



ok, that's nice, you verified the ownership of "1JLM7SC1PM6rr5gRX9rvVvCLo9o7DUh9Hn" by signing the words "Smart1985 mybitcointrade.com"

I fail to see how proving ownership of "1JLM7SC1PM6rr5gRX9rvVvCLo9o7DUh9Hn" is AT ALL meaningful.

1) you asked that a "refund" be sent to 1PpfNWARwRuU5t8ZkgsU9wpyXyRxRKNxQq

2) while the block chain does in fact show that 25 BTC was sent to 1Bu1424Lf7y3Jz9p4ZyCo2mRSQDwdaXrHa but the 0.01 BTC spillover / leftover was sent to 19A5LmMv4dhN4XUgehFFiF1QffqU6LwbBS (which is neither the address you signed with, nor the one you requested a refund be paid to)

3) you didn't sign to prove ownership of any of the 5 source addresses which were used as inputs for the 25 BTC transaction

... am I missing something? Yes, you proved (by signing) that you have the private key to "1JLM7SC1PM6rr5gRX9rvVvCLo9o7DUh9Hn" but that address wasn't even used in the transaction in question.

>berniemadoff

Use escrow for such stuff.

It's not Bitcoins fault, it's Paypal and the credit card companies fault. They don't honor Bitcoin transactions.

lawl, whoever does a deal with someone named berniemadoff should hope for the worst

No, people don't learn. Nefario and Pirate were both trusted members before they showed their scammy nature.

Hello to all i want to post an scammer !!

Today i sent a post that i have catcoins to trade and one guy named : WorldCoin Lotto
profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199328

said he could change with btc.

He wrote;
ill buy all your cat coins right now for 0.3BTC

If you accept this transaction please send the coins too:
9i7RCWPtB6Hfp31uUKug6EJC8m1DLfcM1m

Once you've sent them please reply with your bitcoin address and i will send them ASAP.

Also, i am trusted and a genuine guy ready for a fast smooth transaction!

Thanks!

Kind regards,

then I sent him 370 catcoins and waited.. He didnt't send anything, he didn't answer any messages..


SO MY Coins AWAY AND I didnt get anything from him... NOT BTC and NOT MY COINS BACK!!!


HE IS A SCAMMER !!

Just FYI, if you're a new user (3-4 months or less) and you choose to deal with another new user, there's a near-100% chance one of you is going to be scammed.

How would you know if they are scammers?

i register in a free bitcoin mining sites. i've earned so much. but they requires me to upgrade before withdraw, how can i know if that is legit?

If they want you to pay before getting your money, it is certainly not legit. If you really earn money while mining on their website, then they could use part of this money to upgrade your account and let you withdraw what remains. In your case, you pay then you may be allowed to withdraw a small amount, whatever smaller than what you've paid. Either you give them money, either you go away from these "mining" sites.

Beware of scammer mjuke.
He sold the Adobe cloud creative invite with high price and fake warranty. After 2 month the plan not working, he don't want to refund or replace any adobe account anymore. Then blocked people. Please take an action to him. Lost 150$.
Scammer below:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2571310.0

beware of scammer NSA360 , old member and was dev from secretcoin (scrt) .
he scammed me for 3 btc in 2015 and about 27 btc from other people on btcpop,  he disappeared and now hes back online again.
his name is  Marco Filipe Salgueiro Pereira and he is from portugal

https://i.postimg.cc/2jndjHxh/marco2.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/B6Lr1Wvq/Inked-Screenshot-28-LI.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/xTSwq4V2/Screenshot-16.png (https://postimg.cc/5jn7Rpt7)