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Title: [INFO] New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 12, 2018, 10:32:24 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, if it is not; please, go ahead and move accordingly.

I've been working on a new Casascius tracker tool for the past month or so on my spare time. While it is nowhere near completion, I do feel its at a decent usable and functional place to share with this community and get some feedback. The goal of the tool was to be able to do extensive analysis on Casascius coins, ie. destruction trends, frequency, overall rarity, etc.

https://casascius.ludvigart.com/

https://i.imgur.com/6YflIQh.png

Please note, that I will be adding more graphs and features in the coming weeks, so do not be alarmed if you see major changes.

Features:
1. Filtering on a number of metrics
2. Sorting
3. Searching
4. Exporting to CSV files
5. Graphs and other analytical metrics

When I am done refining the tool, I may look into extending the tool to other coins. If there are any suggestions or requests, please include them here. Also, my knowledge of Casascius coins is slightly limited, so I am asking the entire community here for help refine the list further e.g. the infamous double error coins. If you have any information or notice an error in my list, please let me know.

Thanks!
Mel


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: krogothmanhattan on August 12, 2018, 10:41:31 AM
Like the idea and the site bro! Good job


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: anonymousminer on August 12, 2018, 11:46:15 AM
Very cool tool to have. Well done!


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: gentlemand on August 12, 2018, 03:48:46 PM
This is a dumb question no doubt but what does 'unused' mean when it comes to these addresses and how they relate to the coins?

Are these addresses published by Mike Caldwell at some point?


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: dazedfool on August 12, 2018, 05:07:46 PM
Here's an interesting one  :o

https://casascius.ludvigart.com/details/?url=%2F%3Fsort%3D6%26flt0_54%3D10%26desc%3D1&id=5b60e43aa86feb072dcc25c6


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: JanEmil on August 12, 2018, 05:27:03 PM
Here's an interesting one  :o

https://casascius.ludvigart.com/details/?url=%2F%3Fsort%3D6%26flt0_54%3D10%26desc%3D1&id=5b60e43aa86feb072dcc25c6

1 million $ on a good day ;D


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: dazedfool on August 12, 2018, 07:34:40 PM
This is a dumb question no doubt but what does 'unused' mean when it comes to these addresses and how they relate to the coins?

Are these addresses published by Mike Caldwell at some point?

Yes, Mike published a list: https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: gentlemand on August 12, 2018, 07:37:03 PM
Yes, Mike published a list: https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt

Do you got any idea what the thinking was behind publishing them since those addresses have never been used? Were they on scrapped or unsold coins? Or load your owns?


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: minerjones on August 12, 2018, 07:51:06 PM
Yes, Mike published a list: https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt

Do you got any idea what the thinking was behind publishing them since those addresses have never been used? Were they on scrapped or unsold coins? Or load your owns?

Many of them were used on coins that were given away as "demo" coins to show how they were assembled. They came partially peeled already.
(Not the demo coins that had "void" used for media)
And I do believe some were also used for the roll your own ones.... I may be wrong on that part, but easy to cross reference


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: AT101ET on August 12, 2018, 07:55:28 PM
Yes, Mike published a list: https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt

Do you got any idea what the thinking was behind publishing them since those addresses have never been used? Were they on scrapped or unsold coins? Or load your owns?

I think there were a few coins that were sold unfunded. Casascius did sell a few Gold 2FA 1000 BTC coins that weren’t loaded (Coblee has a bunch).
I could be mistaken but some could also be from coins that were never fully assembled. You can see the control
process Mike Caldwell used here: https://www.casascius.com/controls.aspx
Perhaps some coins were left unfinished but since the addresses were already generated they were published accidentally.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 12, 2018, 08:38:44 PM
Yes, Mike published a list: https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt

Do you got any idea what the thinking was behind publishing them since those addresses have never been used? Were they on scrapped or unsold coins? Or load your owns?

I think there were a few coins that were sold unfunded. Casascius did sell a few Gold 2FA 1000 BTC coins that weren’t loaded (Coblee has a bunch).
I could be mistaken but some could also be from coins that were never fully assembled. You can see the control
process Mike Caldwell used here: https://www.casascius.com/controls.aspx
Perhaps some coins were left unfinished but since the addresses were already generated they were published accidentally.
Mike was forced to shut down operations in 2013, a lot of those addresses never reached production. See:

https://www.coindesk.com/us-regulators-bitcoin-mint-casascius-shut/


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: dazedfool on August 12, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
ULTRA-RARE EXTRA-SPECIAL ERRORS AHOY!  :P

Gilt "golden heart" error (1 of 1):
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1Ag676vcWNqfu8uobWfKQBFK9ssgCwwg5P
Ref https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=680240.0

2011 "double error" (2 of 5):
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=19GVvGMxHtuKmCZ2hiGUEqCrzDMxggKc6W
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1FBD1ef3mrpXsaLvDjBTUWYmfu1WPe9gcS
Ref https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263482.0


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 12, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
ULTRA-RARE EXTRA-SPECIAL ERRORS AHOY!  :P

Gilt "golden heart" error (1 of 1):
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1Ag676vcWNqfu8uobWfKQBFK9ssgCwwg5P
Ref https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=680240.0

2011 "double error" (2 of 5):
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=19GVvGMxHtuKmCZ2hiGUEqCrzDMxggKc6W
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1FBD1ef3mrpXsaLvDjBTUWYmfu1WPe9gcS
Ref https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263482.0
Thanks Dazed!

I'll get these Addresses added later tonight. I'll also begin working on tagging the HardBTC coins.

Edit: After speak with Dazed, I just realized that all of the silver coins produced in 2013 (1Ag) are Series 3. I will also have this correctly tagged.

Best,
Mel


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: TMAN on August 13, 2018, 07:10:25 AM
tremendous effort fella, I know how hard you have been working on this.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: bitebits on August 13, 2018, 12:51:20 PM
Very nicely done, I especially like the Destruction (https://casascius.ludvigart.com/destruction/) and Status (https://casascius.ludvigart.com/status/) statistics. Thanks for your efforts, great favor for those collecting these rare coins (and getting scarcer every day!).


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: CanaryInTheMine on August 13, 2018, 05:02:11 PM
The goal of the tool was to be able to do extensive analysis on Casascius coins, ie. destruction trends, frequency, overall rarity, etc.

Great work!! Can you explain what you mean by "destruction"? Do you mean redeemed?


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: OgNasty on August 13, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
When I am done refining the tool, I may look into extending the tool to other coins. If there are any suggestions or requests, please include them here.

Feel free to take advantage of provided information (https://nastyfans.org/mint.json) for NastyFans Minted Seats.  You can contact me with any questions or refer to the existing analyzer (http://analyzer.nastyfans.org) as a reference.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 14, 2018, 12:17:51 AM
Thanks everyone, glad you like the resource!

The goal of the tool was to be able to do extensive analysis on Casascius coins, ie. destruction trends, frequency, overall rarity, etc.

Great work!! Can you explain what you mean by "destruction"? Do you mean redeemed?

Thanks :D Yeah, destroyed refers to redeemed. At least, thats how I view them. If this is not intuitive or may be misleading, we can definitely relabel these.

When I am done refining the tool, I may look into extending the tool to other coins. If there are any suggestions or requests, please include them here.

Feel free to take advantage of provided information (https://nastyfans.org/mint.json) for NastyFans Minted Seats.  You can contact me with any questions or refer to the existing analyzer (http://analyzer.nastyfans.org) as a reference.
Thanks for this, will do when I am ready to proceed with non-Casascius coins :) The good thing is that the code is modular and extensible so it'll be pretty easy to add other coins with little to no effort :) I just need to get the main one down first.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 15, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
Updates:

- Correctly tagged Version 3 coins. Please note that some 1BTC Version 3 coins do not start with ^1Ag so it'd be very difficult/impossible to tag them correctly.

- Improved the destruction graph by showing overall growth trend over time.
https://casascius.ludvigart.com/destruction/

- Added another graph: Creation graph (this will show
https://casascius.ludvigart.com/creation/

Tonight, I plan to break down the Version 2 1 BTC coins by year (2011, 2012, 2013). It should be pretty easy to do.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lesbian Cow on August 16, 2018, 02:56:29 AM
Great stuff, thanks for sharing.  This fella should get all the merit for the work done here. So much effort returned to the community at no expectation  of reward. 


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: krogothmanhattan on August 16, 2018, 10:09:29 AM
Rusbit...great work..only one suggestion...

Can you please change from destroyed to redeemed? Its kills me to hear Casascius and Destroyed in the same sentence. Redeemed is hard to but I can live with that.

Other than that I applaud this work you have done for us. ;)

BTW the graphic makes it so much easier to comprehend it all too.  :)


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 17, 2018, 07:25:11 AM
Great stuff, thanks for sharing.  This fella should get all the merit for the work done here. So much effort returned to the community at no expectation  of reward. 
Thanks! :)

Rusbit...great work..only one suggestion...

Can you please change from destroyed to redeemed? Its kills me to hear Casascius and Destroyed in the same sentence. Redeemed is hard to but I can live with that.

Other than that I applaud this work you have done for us. ;)

BTW the graphic makes it so much easier to comprehend it all too.  :)
Thanks, appreciate it!

I suppose 'Destroyed' can be a bit misleading or extreme, at least to people less familiar with Casascius coins.

Do others feel the same way? Should I rename: Destroyed -> Redeemed? If there is a better term we can use, feel free to suggest.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Davil on August 17, 2018, 09:46:35 AM
This tool is great! I'd like to be the proud owner of one of them, but is good to see this kind of work if someday I decide to eventually purchase one.

The beautiful thing about this community is that many members are willing to develop beautiful tools for free. Keep on with the good work!


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: krogothmanhattan on August 17, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
Great stuff, thanks for sharing.  This fella should get all the merit for the work done here. So much effort returned to the community at no expectation  of reward.  
Thanks! :)

Rusbit...great work..only one suggestion...

Can you please change from destroyed to redeemed? Its kills me to hear Casascius and Destroyed in the same sentence. Redeemed is hard to but I can live with that.

Other than that I applaud this work you have done for us. ;)

BTW the graphic makes it so much easier to comprehend it all too.  :)
Thanks, appreciate it!

I suppose 'Destroyed' can be a bit misleading or extreme, at least to people less familiar with Casascius coins.

Do others feel the same way? Should I rename: Destroyed -> Redeemed? If there is a better term we can use, feel free to suggest.

 If not redeemed perhaps>>> Swept.....Peeled...Unloaded?  :)


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: coco23 on August 17, 2018, 10:59:24 AM
great work, I was looking for a site like yours for some time now! Enjoy some merits :)


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: CanaryInTheMine on August 17, 2018, 02:47:24 PM
Thanks everyone, glad you like the resource!

The goal of the tool was to be able to do extensive analysis on Casascius coins, ie. destruction trends, frequency, overall rarity, etc.

Great work!! Can you explain what you mean by "destruction"? Do you mean redeemed?

Thanks :D Yeah, destroyed refers to redeemed. At least, thats how I view them. If this is not intuitive or may be misleading, we can definitely relabel these.

When I am done refining the tool, I may look into extending the tool to other coins. If there are any suggestions or requests, please include them here.

Feel free to take advantage of provided information (https://nastyfans.org/mint.json) for NastyFans Minted Seats.  You can contact me with any questions or refer to the existing analyzer (http://analyzer.nastyfans.org) as a reference.
Thanks for this, will do when I am ready to proceed with non-Casascius coins :) The good thing is that the code is modular and extensible so it'll be pretty easy to add other coins with little to no effort :) I just need to get the main one down first.

There might be destroyed coins out there - physically.  So they no longer exist.
The redeemed coins have a market of their own, they just don't have any balance associated with physical coin.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 18, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
@Krog
@Canary

Thanks guys for the feedback, I'm going to go ahead and rename Destroyed to Redeemed due to popular demand; you guys are absolutely right.

I'll have this pushed out shortly.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lauda on August 18, 2018, 07:59:10 AM
Any chance that this could be open source on Github? ;D


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 18, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
Any chance that this could be open source on Github? ;D
Hi Lauda,

That is the plan after I'm done. My code is very shitty at the moment, and I'm ashamed to upload it to Github right now haha. I need to do some major refactoring and cleanup.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 21, 2018, 10:18:15 PM
@Krog
@Canary

Thanks guys for the feedback, I'm going to go ahead and rename Destroyed to Redeemed due to popular demand; you guys are absolutely right.

I'll have this pushed out shortly.
This has been completed! Destroyed has been renamed to redeemed.  :D

And I have broken down the Series 2 1BTC Cas Coins by year.

Type: S1-COIN-1 ->  [ S1-COIN-1-2011, S1-COIN-1-2012, S1-COIN-1-2013 ]


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: krogothmanhattan on August 21, 2018, 10:36:40 PM
@Krog
@Canary

Thanks guys for the feedback, I'm going to go ahead and rename Destroyed to Redeemed due to popular demand; you guys are absolutely right.

I'll have this pushed out shortly.
This has been completed! Destroyed has been renamed to redeemed.  :D

And I have broken down the Series 2 1BTC Cas Coins by year.

Type: S1-COIN-1 ->  [ S1-COIN-1-2011, S1-COIN-1-2012, S1-COIN-1-2013 ]

Cool bro. Thankyou for doing this


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lesbian Cow on August 21, 2018, 11:42:19 PM
@Krog
@Canary

Thanks guys for the feedback, I'm going to go ahead and rename Destroyed to Redeemed due to popular demand; you guys are absolutely right.

I'll have this pushed out shortly.
This has been completed! Destroyed has been renamed to redeemed.  :D

And I have broken down the Series 2 1BTC Cas Coins by year.

Type: S1-COIN-1 ->  [ S1-COIN-1-2011, S1-COIN-1-2012, S1-COIN-1-2013 ]

Cool bro. Thankyou for doing this

No matter how you word it a peeled loaded coin is destroyed. 


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: dazedfool on August 22, 2018, 12:48:41 AM
@Krog
@Canary

Thanks guys for the feedback, I'm going to go ahead and rename Destroyed to Redeemed due to popular demand; you guys are absolutely right.

I'll have this pushed out shortly.
This has been completed! Destroyed has been renamed to redeemed.  :D

And I have broken down the Series 2 1BTC Cas Coins by year.

Type: S1-COIN-1 ->  [ S1-COIN-1-2011, S1-COIN-1-2012, S1-COIN-1-2013 ]

Cool bro. Thankyou for doing this

No matter how you word it a peeled loaded coin is destroyed.  

I vote using 'destroyed'. A peeled cas removes the coin value from it, so no longer a coin. You just have a redeemed token thingy.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: owlcatz on August 22, 2018, 12:50:29 AM
Why don't you just do like "Redeemed/Destroyed" with like a popup info thing explaining etc ?  Would solve both problems, right?  :D

Edit I agree with dazed but also with how newbs may construe it.... better to please both parties! :P


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lesbian Cow on August 22, 2018, 03:37:26 AM
Why don't you just do like "Redeemed/Destroyed" with like a popup info thing explaining etc ?  Would solve both problems, right?  :D

Edit I agree with dazed but also with how newbs may construe it.... better to please both parties! :P

The pop up should be a mushroom cloud and a flashing display of he word destroyed repeated. 


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 22, 2018, 03:59:46 AM
Why don't you just do like "Redeemed/Destroyed" with like a popup info thing explaining etc ?  Would solve both problems, right?  :D

Edit I agree with dazed but also with how newbs may construe it.... better to please both parties! :P
I would do that, but:

1) It doesn't work too well in the database, the database will need to store one or the other.
2) There is limited space real-estate, making the column too long will make the table row wrap itself which may ruin the aesthetics of the table. I have to test this out of course.

Nothing is set in stone yet. Perhaps, we can debate and make come to a conclusion. I suppose 'Destroyed' carries a bad connotation and I can see people who have redeemed/destroyed Casascius coins be concerned with such rhetoric. Same applies to the other side. Maybe presenting both words appeals to both parties. I also don't want this to turn political though lol :o.

On the other note, I am planning on creating a page that explains everything to newbies in detail and goes into the history of Casascius coins.

Why don't you just do like "Redeemed/Destroyed" with like a popup info thing explaining etc ?  Would solve both problems, right?  :D

Edit I agree with dazed but also with how newbs may construe it.... better to please both parties! :P

The pop up should be a mushroom cloud and a flashing display of he word destroyed repeated. 
;D ;D


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2018, 06:53:27 AM
Any chance that this could be open source on Github? ;D
Hi Lauda,

That is the plan after I'm done. My code is very shitty at the moment, and I'm ashamed to upload it to Github right now haha. I need to do some major refactoring and cleanup.
What languages are you using? There might be people that are able to/willing to help. ;)


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 22, 2018, 07:04:28 AM
Any chance that this could be open source on Github? ;D
Hi Lauda,

That is the plan after I'm done. My code is very shitty at the moment, and I'm ashamed to upload it to Github right now haha. I need to do some major refactoring and cleanup.
What languages are you using? There might be people that are able to/willing to help. ;)
Everything is Python. The graphs are done via a Javascript library (plot.ly).

Web Framework: Flask /w Flask-Admin module
Database: Mongo

Let me do a bit of cleanup :p and I can get it up.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2018, 07:05:49 AM
Everything is Python.
:'( Why not in PHP?  :P


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: rusbitcoinuser on August 22, 2018, 07:12:15 AM
Everything is Python.
:'( Why not in PHP?  :P
Haha, I only know Python and Flask is super easy to work with and build web applications. :p

I just found out the tool got featured on this website: https://bitcoinist.com/expensive-ever-bitcoin-casascius/

I'm just a little bummed that sensationalized 'terrible security'.


Title: Re: New Casascius Tracker (in development)
Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
Haha, I only know Python and Flask is super easy to work with and build web applications. :p
I see. Ding me on TG if you use it 'GrumpyKitty', I can help you with some server side security.

I just found out the tool got featured on this website: https://bitcoinist.com/expensive-ever-bitcoin-casascius/
It's quite known already, well no wonder. Your analytics look better than this: https://casascius.uberbills.com/. You might want to add something like this too: https://i.imgur.com/GflyLHY.png.

I'm just a little bummed that they slightly misquoted me and sensationalized 'terrible security'.
Classic journalism. ::)