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Economy => Securities => Topic started by: Stedsm on August 28, 2018, 12:41:39 PM



Title: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: Stedsm on August 28, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
After the surge in Bitcoin's value early 2014, we saw an idea being popped up and went crazy for all those small-scale startups to start their projects with the help of crowdfunding - a way where people buy their tokens to support their project if they find it interesting. Unlike IPO (which is regulated by many Authorities before getting launched, and seeks investors only), ICOs are totally different as most of them were* not regulated and many startups used to be just ideas - fake ideas which never got fulfilled and people lose both their trust and money behind such a graceful innovation which could give some real ideas a boost if there is any BODY to find whether the intentions of these ICOs' devs and admins is to really deliver their promises to their potential customers. I saw many ICOs were shit and gained too much of investments, many even ran away and due to them, members here and at other social websites suffered for their time and efforts (many were bots so it's a 50-50 situation where many users try to fake it out by scamming the projects by fake-fully trying to show that they are helping the project by advertising for them). Many got nothing - neither tokens nor replies from the ICO people. So, my question here is - should such ICOs be given the label of "Securities" which would give them more of a credibility to invest in them? If yes, will there ever be a Regulatory Body to measure the assurance of delivery of the project and whether the project is anywhere going to deal with blockchain?

* - (used "were" because many came and gone as there were no regulations before, and in few countries - still no regulations are there for such crowdfunding)


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: shivansps on August 30, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
After the surge in Bitcoin's value early 2014, we saw an idea being popped up and went crazy for all those small-scale startups to start their projects with the help of crowdfunding - a way where people buy their tokens to support their project if they find it interesting. Unlike IPO (which is regulated by many Authorities before getting launched, and seeks investors only), ICOs are totally different as most of them were* not regulated and many startups used to be just ideas - fake ideas which never got fulfilled and people lose both their trust and money behind such a graceful innovation which could give some real ideas a boost if there is any BODY to find whether the intentions of these ICOs' devs and admins is to really deliver their promises to their potential customers. I saw many ICOs were shit and gained too much of investments, many even ran away and due to them, members here and at other social websites suffered for their time and efforts (many were bots so it's a 50-50 situation where many users try to fake it out by scamming the projects by fake-fully trying to show that they are helping the project by advertising for them). Many got nothing - neither tokens nor replies from the ICO people. So, my question here is - should such ICOs be given the label of "Securities" which would give them more of a credibility to invest in them? If yes, will there ever be a Regulatory Body to measure the assurance of delivery of the project and whether the project is anywhere going to deal with blockchain?

* - (used "were" because many came and gone as there were no regulations before, and in few countries - still no regulations are there for such crowdfunding)

There a bunch of the ICOs and projects to be considered as security, many of them use some other words to describe their "security schemes" in their whitepaper, people thinking about how cool dividends are or profits from some services, etc. I love the projects that promise dividends from trading profits but later you realize that they don't gain profits in a bear market, they don't short the BTC and just hold their "investments", Lmao. Yeah, those exist. Using the buzzwords in their whitepapers making people think it's quite good to receive share profits or dividends, but there is no exchange currently trading securities and if it does, that you better be careful and manage your risk properly. However, I still believe that securities will become the most tokenized assets and most liquid in future.


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: audaciousbeing on September 04, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
- should such ICOs be given the label of "Securities" which would give them more of a credibility to invest in them? If yes, will there ever be a Regulatory Body to measure the assurance of delivery of the project and whether the project is anywhere going to deal with blockchain?

* - (used "were" because many came and gone as there were no regulations before, and in few countries - still no regulations are there for such crowdfunding)

No matter what ICO is being called, it will still be seen with suspicion until there is an acceptable regulatory body verifying the claim of those coming to the market to raise fund. The problem is about the people as we have seen several ICOs that in an unregulated environment have flourished and given people who trusted them a decent return on their investment.

With regulations, then there vouching of the team would have been settled, there would be an obligation to ensure that reports are given regularly on the application of funds generated from the market are applied for the purpose they are meant and there is an institution of a corporate governance board to ensure that the right thing is being done in the operations of the enterprise. It is when all of this are done that we can then start thinking of the right name to give it whether security of secure investment.


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: CoinCodex on October 11, 2018, 09:35:27 AM
The ICO model that offers security tokens, brings a lot of questions when it comes to the legal part. Based on the legal view, security tokens are explained very different in comparison of what we think of them now.

https://coincodex.com/article/2465/what-is-the-howey-test-and-how-is-it-relevant-to-crypto/


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: Kavelj22 on October 30, 2018, 04:27:07 PM
Total security is far to be reached in investment business. There is no "safe bet" in ICOs. Although, it is quite necessary revising some status and require Audits before to publicly present. When it's about ICO's security legislation, chance for governments to act as protectors then find the way to control over.


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: jaworskiandy on November 02, 2018, 04:37:52 PM
ICO's are no longer safe to everyone.


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: troy.gold on November 04, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
The question "Shoud ICO's be considered a security?" is a little vague. In order to answer this question, you have to take a look at jurisdictions such as Malta which have begun to regulate cryptocurrency.

The Maltese Virtual Financial Assets Act has two main classifications - Security Tokens and Virtual Tokens.

Virtual tokens are essentially utility tokens, but in order to be classified as a virtual token - there are stiff requirements which the token must adhere to.

Because of this regulation and classification, it is no longer accurate to state all cryptocurrencies should be considered securities. The Maltese government has clearly identified a utility purpose for cryptocurrency.

So to answer your question - Yes, ICO's should be considered a security, unless that ICO has undergone regulation and has been otherwise classified by a government body.

The ICO model that offers security tokens, brings a lot of questions when it comes to the legal part. Based on the legal view, security tokens are explained very different in comparison of what we think of them now.

https://coincodex.com/article/2465/what-is-the-howey-test-and-how-is-it-relevant-to-crypto/

The Howey Test is fine for regulation under the SEC. However, it is inaccurate to use the Howey test to classify ICO's which exist outside of the SEC's jurisdiction.

You can view the Maltese - Virtual Financial Assets laws here:

https://www.mfsa.com.mt/pages/viewcontent.aspx?id=693


Title: Re: Should ICOs be considered a Security?
Post by: arpon11 on November 09, 2018, 07:06:49 AM
After the surge in Bitcoin's value early 2014, we saw an idea being popped up and went crazy for all those small-scale startups to start their projects with the help of crowdfunding - a way where people buy their tokens to support their project if they find it interesting. Unlike IPO (which is regulated by many Authorities before getting launched, and seeks investors only), ICOs are totally different as most of them were* not regulated and many startups used to be just ideas - fake ideas which never got fulfilled and people lose both their trust and money behind such a graceful innovation which could give some real ideas a boost if there is any BODY to find whether the intentions of these ICOs' devs and admins is to really deliver their promises to their potential customers. I saw many ICOs were shit and gained too much of investments, many even ran away and due to them, members here and at other social websites suffered for their time and efforts (many were bots so it's a 50-50 situation where many users try to fake it out by scamming the projects by fake-fully trying to show that they are helping the project by advertising for them). Many got nothing - neither tokens nor replies from the ICO people. So, my question here is - should such ICOs be given the label of "Securities" which would give them more of a credibility to invest in them? If yes, will there ever be a Regulatory Body to measure the assurance of delivery of the project and whether the project is anywhere going to deal with blockchain?

* - (used "were" because many came and gone as there were no regulations before, and in few countries - still no regulations are there for such crowdfunding)
Crowdfunding should be considered as a must safe ways of raising fund for icos projects but the projects Owners and teams are full of scam and fraudulent.  I find many projects coming out daily but half of those icos and projects are scam and people are scared of investing in cryptocurrencies and icos projects.  I believe that in future the Crowdfunding system will be well reposition and good security projects will come out because we need them to checkmate the activities of scams projects.