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Hello fellow Bitcoin enthusiasts and miners!

We are a team from Finland and we have started manufacturing ASIC miners under the name of Noncetech.

The miners are modular; one chassis can hold 1-4 mining cards (blades), making upgrading easy if you start with less than 4 cards. The motherboard on the other hand can hold up to 8 cards.


PRE-ORDERING IS CURRENTLY CLOSED. FOR ORDERS OF 10TH OR MORE, CONTACT sales@noncetech.com


Here is the latest product info:

Our Competitive Prices:

New prices out soon!

Sampo mining card without Raspberry Pi: $819 ($3.276/GH/s, turbo)

Sampo 250 rig without PSU: $1039 ($4.156/GH/s, turbo mode)
Sampo 500 rig without PSU: $1859 ($3.718/GH/s, turbo mode)
Sampo 750 rig without PSU: $2699 ($3.599/GH/s, turbo mode)
Sampo 1T rig without PSU: $3499 ($3.499/GH/s, turbo mode)

Sampo 1T bundle (2 rigs) without PSU: $6598 ($3.30/GH/s, turbo mode)
Sampo 1T bundle (3 rigs) without PSU: $9797 ($3.27/GH/s, turbo mode)


Sampo rig specs:

- Plug and play
- Modular design
- Nominal hashing rate of 200 GH/s per mining card (+/- 10%)
- Nominal power consumption of 0.5-0.7 W/GH/s (+/- 10%)
- Turbo mode hashing rate of 250 GH/s per mining card (+/- 10%)
- Turbo mode power consumption of 1.0-1.1W/GH/s (+/- 10%)
- Controlled by Raspberry Pi
- 19 inch chassis


For more information you can visit our site at www.noncetech.com. We will be posting news to this forum and to our site. You can also subscribe to our newsletter.


Do give us some feedback! We welcome all of it.
Also feel free to ask any questions.

Sincerely,
Antti Muilu from Noncetech    



Picture of beta mining cards:
https://i.imgur.com/gRLrOaul.jpg?2


Auto-reboot demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTPqRBCG8HM


Beta products simulating Sampo 1T:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exvXD2K9vNA


Quick DIY overview of Sampo mining cards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctam5lk_xKQ






[UPDATES]


April 08
Pre-ordering is now open!


April 04
Pre-orders available on Tuesday 8.4 GMT 20:00


March 30
Noncetech now on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Noncetech


March 29
Miner named Sampo.

Card specs:
One mining card has a nominal performance of 200 GH/s with a power consumption of 0.5-0.7 W/GH/s.
The turbo mode values are the following: 250 GH/s with 1.0-1.1 W/GH/s.


March 26
Stress tests. Mining cards were able to mine at a steady overclocked rate between 250-260GH/s.
Temperature on the card was 59°C with a room temperature of 22°C.

Pre-orders are due to start next week. 3 beta rigs will also be available.


March 24
First test runs made. Achieved 260GH/s per card.

In-stock business model: good.

I like the name too.

Watching this topic, looks promising.

Do you have any test unit results to prove your claims?

What are your anticipated shipping dates?

Welcome, please provide the following metrics:

1) $/GH
2) J/GH
3) Time to delivery

Thank you.

Seems very familiar... where have I seen this idea before?

Thank you for your interest.

There are many variables at this early stage, so we cannot answer all your questions.

Our test products should start mining between 17-20th March.

We will give more information when we know more.

I too approve of the company name. If you need a hand shifting from small scale to large scale production, drop me a line. I can save you from some of the pain and pratfalls that you'll inevitably encounter if you decide to go that route.

Excellent.  I am looking forward to seeing more.
I wish you the best of luck with your upcoming testing.

Finland?  Ex-Nokia engineers perhaps?  ;)

Been a hectic few weeks and many long night hours in, but finally we managed to get our first test results on a card!

Here's a couple of screenshots of the card on the design phase:
https://i.imgur.com/shmAG23.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/OLNK4sD.jpg

More importantly; the results of the first test.
Test was run only for a very short period of time with 2x4 IC configuration @ 0.85V

Total hashrate per block (4IC) was approximately 130GH/s --> card total 260GH/s
This gives us a hashrate of 32.5GH/s per chip.

Picture of the test run and the test setup:
https://i.imgur.com/HK2PDKu.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/g3Acaxx.jpg

Stress tests will be taken shortly and then the beta test rig is finished.
We'll nail down the exact price and energy consumption after the tests but the information will be given out in a few days.

Stay tuned!

-Noncetech

looking good! are those standard mounting holes - wondering if a thin thermal sheet with a water block would be a simple and powerful way to keep it cool

Very interesting! Will be good shipping price to Sweden I think! :D

Will you match Antminer S1 or other big manufacturers MHs/$?

Will you have an IPO? Also I would like to buy some of your hardware later on when they come out. Luckily I subbed.

Hi Noncetech,

When can you expect to start shipping completed miners?  Any rough date in mind?

Thanks,

Chuck

Do you send any miner for testing to a hero member for writing an review ?

best regards

Hektek

Good job looks good. Cooling can be done with standard coolers or waterblocks.

I assume cooling was 70/30. Can they be cooled enough from top only.

Pretty brave name!

I know what a Nonce is in terms of Cryptography, but in the UK a Nonce is also somebody that touches children

Looking forward to more information

Theoretically yes, but we use it as idiot now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonce_%28slang%29

Hello miners!

Currently we are doing stress tests, and we found out that the overclocking sweet spot seems to be between 250-260 GH/s (per card). This is the range that seems to have good stability over the power consumption and temperature, which means 1.1W/GHs and 59°C. The room temperature was 22°C. With this setup, the mining rig would have a hashing speed of about 750-780 GH/s and a power consumption of 825W-900W.

Here is a picture of 2 cards (4 blocks) running at about 130 GH/s each (one mining card holds 2 blocks, and each block has 4 chips):

http://noncetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/F405296D-D9C6-40E2-923D-3120B6DBD85A.jpg

However please keep in mind that that these are the OVERCLOCKED results. The default nominal hashing speed is 25GH/s per chip.


Here is the setup:

http://noncetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/168CF539-A96C-4BC5-A669-5257A037A24A.jpg




In other news, we will be opening pre-orders for the official products within a week. It will be possible to buy rigs (3x cards, 1x motherboard, 1x power supply and Raspberry Pi) and mining cards. Mining card buyers will get 1 motherboard for free, because it is needed to operate the mining cards. This is intended for more experienced users to build their own rigs and use their own PSUs. Motherboard has 1x ATX-20pin connector and 8x mining card connectors. A Raspberry Pi connector (with our software ready) can be purchased separately to control the device. We have estimated that it takes 2 weeks for the products to ship after we have received payment.

There exists a minimum order quantity for ASICs (from Bitmine) that we purchase, so the minimum amount of rigs for the pre-order to happen is 21 in total, or 63 mining cards. We will also limit the amount of pre-orders to 80 rigs or 240 mining cards to ensure that the production is not encumbered and that the products will ship at the required time.

3 beta rigs will also be up for sale and immediate shipping next week. They are now being assembled in Finland as we speak. The beta rigs can be considered the same as the final product. The beta rigs are sold at a price of $4099. They will be shipped from Finland, so there won’t be import duties inside the EU.

The final prices will be revealed soon, but for now we can tell that the rig’s price will be close to $3700 and the mining card’s close to $1100. We understand that the $/GH/s ratio is not the best around, but as a small manufacturer, it is hard to compete in price with larger manufacturers. We are, however, using quality components and will be shipping products at a steady, reliable pace.

We will soon post again to tell you the latest news! The release of pre-ordering will also be informed through our site’s newsletter.

Grats on the progress.

Thank you for the support so far! We really appreciate it.

Yes we are using LGA1366/LGA2011 type mountings. Basically any heatsink with 80x80mm hole pitch will fit. But be careful with top side, since our A1 chips are spread out to a bigger area than basic 40mm x 40mm OR 45mm x 45mm contact area. However we include a heatspreader on topside, so if you plan to use your own water cooling, it should fit without modification. BUT please make sure with us before you do this.

The rear side has a solder pad, intended as cooling contact for heatsink. We use immersion plating to achieve better planarity on the pads -> better heat transfer.

Cooling is needed for both sides. So far in one of our stress tests we reached 46-47Cdeg (measured at top-side heatsink & A1 contact point) when we were running 250-254GH/s per card speeds. This temperature was reached by having fans at 100%. I guess we could reduce the fan speeds a bit to get better W/GHs^-1 numbers and reduce sound levels.


- Noncetech

Looks pretty awesome !

Hi guys, congrats on the project it looks great. Good luck as things progress. Could I suggest you look into getting an EU reseller on board who is based in a lower VAT rated country? Finnish VAT is really high and that's going to hit some of your potential customers quite hard.

Hello miners!

We have named our product Sampo! Some of you might realize it's Finnish and some of you might even know what it is (related to Finnish mythology). Sampo is our first modular Bitcoin miner. It can be bought with 1 to 4 Sampo mining cards. Mining cards can also be bought separately.

One mining card has a nominal performance of 200 GH/s with a power consumption of 0.5-0.7 W/GH/s.
The turbo mode values are the following: 250 GH/s with 1.0-1.1 W/GH/s.

This means that our 4 card Sampo has the following specs:
Nominal performance: 800 GH/s, 0.5-0.7 W/GH/s
Turbo mode: 1000 GH/s, 1.0-1.1W/GH/s
[edit] Values may vary by +/-10%

We have also crunched numbers and come up with the prices for our modular product. We have managed to cut costs to match the price of our competitors a little better:

Sampo mining card @ $949
Sampo 250 @ $1079
Sampo 500 @ $1999
Sampo 750 @ $2949
Sampo 1T @ $3849

The prices do not include the power supply. A 1200W PSU is optional at $200.

Our beta rigs will also be sold at a lower price than what we previously calculated. The price will be $3549 and will be available for shipping next week from Finland.

For more information, check out our site at: http://noncetech.com/products-page/  
We apologize for the current layout. We will make the site more eye-friendly when we have the time.

Congrats guys.

P.S. company name translates really badly in UK slang :)

+1

Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to share with you all my interview with Antti from Noncetech.
Great guy and it is really nice to see a new company that was formed with such thought and dedication in the mining game.
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/29/noncetech-announces-stress-test-results-pricing-new-modular-miners/ (http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/29/noncetech-announces-stress-test-results-pricing-new-modular-miners/)
I definitely think Noncetech is going to be a solid manufacturer of mining gear.

Thank you for the interview and kind words Scott.

In other issues, is there anyone interested in checking out our beta miners in Helsinki? If a hero or senior member from bitcointalk lives in Finland, it would be very nice if you could come by and check our miners. We will have cookies and coffee for you! PM us for details, thanks in advance.

I enjoyed it very much.  Thanks again.
I wish I lived in Finland and could go.
Hopefully someone will step up and go.  It's not often you can get to see testing live.

Noncetech can now be found on twitter. Some posts may be unofficial.

https://twitter.com/Noncetech

Excellent.
I will add your link to the article.

Wait so they are modular because they are video card form factor? I thought you could add additional chips! I would like to see how this compares to bitmain in $/hash and W/$.

Sold out??

No one's beating Bitmain's $/hash.  $1.96/GH is bonkers!   :o

The site is under construction still - as of now it mistakenly reports sold out.
We're launching very soon. There will be all the necessary materials/infos/gags provided when it happens;
sign up for the newsletter and follow us on twitter to get notified first!

[EDIT] Changed the texts accordingly [EDIT]

-Noncetech

Since when Finland is...in Hong-kong...?

Huh?

I meant this...:

http://noncetech.com/contact-information/

Forgot to include the link...my bad... ;)

Noncetech's staff is from Finland. Noncetech was incorporated in Hong Kong.

Pre-orders for the first batch will start on Tuesday 8.4 from GMT 20:00 onwards for exactly 10 days or until mining rigs worth 240 Sampo mining cards have been payed for.

Production will immediately start for the first orders worth 60 Sampo mining cards for which payment is received.

Thanks for the clarification...

Smart move...to be closer to the manufacturing base...

Good luck...!

1 hour and 5 minutes until pre-ordering will open.

I went to check out Noncetech's beta miners in Helsinki today, generally speaking I liked what I saw, I admit I'm not a Bitcoin miner expert but I have some general knowledge about electronics and Bitcoin mining. I started mining scrypt coins about a year ago and I have read a lot of articles about Bitcon mining and mining hardware in the last year. I would say I have pretty good picture about Bitcoin mining in general.

The whole team was there, the coder, hardware guy and the economics guy, everyone seemed to know their stuff pretty well. Also one of the guys has a Chinese origin and speaks Chinese which I would say is a good advantage when you do business with Chinese subcontractors, for the assembly of the miners and so on. All the guys were friendly and in my opinion "down to earth" and none of them were full of themselves. Well that may yet change when they get filthy rich selling all those miners to us, I noticed money can do strange things to good people, I just hope they get rich, and don't turn into the dark side after that... I liked their team and wouldn't mind doing business with them.

They set up 2 miners at the occasion, one was their first test miner the other was one of the "beta" miners. The hardware setup seemed quite basic, just plug in the cables and boot the RasPi, the software side was not not yet that simple, their drivers for cgminer was not yet completely finished, so they needed to manually input some commands ( setting the voltage to the chips ) to the RasPi before starting cgminer.

Their web interface for the miner was not yet finished, so I just got a look at the page layout for the interface. The driver part that controls the fan speed on the miner was not yet fully programmed so the fans were on full speed all the time, and those small fans are quite noisy.

The miners was running in "Turbo" mode hashing around 250GH/s or more correctly they showed in cgminer as 2 x 125GH/s per card, 2 hashing blocks per card. One miner showed a little more HW errors than the others, that was the original first test miner the built, on the "Beta" miners they had made some hardware modifications on the Pcb, and it had less HW errors or none. We calculated the percentage of the HW errors on the original test miner, but stupid me cant remember the exact number, but it was low. As a scrypt miner with Gpu's I'm used to 0 HW errors, if I have HW errors I re tune my rigs so they go away, I was assured that Bitcoin mining with Asic's will produce some HW errors and thats normal.

The components on the Pcb's are of high quality, all critical components are made in USA or Japan, this is for stability and long life of the miner, I agree with the choice for a little more expensive components, as for me a miner has to be production grade, I don't have time to baby sit my miners, they should work 24/7/365.

One thing that I didn't get to see in the 3h visit I made to Noncetech is the chassis for the miners, they have not yet got that from the producer. Well I of course wonder how hot will the chassis get on the inside, with 4 cards running in "Turbo" mode producing 1000w of heat, and 2x120mm fans to get that heat out from there.

I'm no expert, but I don't see any major issues with Noncetech getting their miner shipped within a reasonable time after the Pre-orders start, there is some coding to do, but I would say that the coding is not a big issue. I was told that they have the "assembly line" all ready arranged with a Chinese subcontractor, and they are going to China to oversee the assembly and shipping of the miners. One thing that comes to mind is the chassis, if it needs total redesign, that could cause a small delay. Another thing that they have not done yet is a long term stress test, running a miner more than a day or two, now that I think of it, I should have volunteered to do a 3 week stress test on some of their miners, I'm sure my scrypt rigs wouldn't mind the noise in the garage...

Ok, I wont bore you guys any more today..

Best of luck to Noncetech launch today

Any photos, video...?

That is great to hear.
They offered to have me come over I cannot handle the trip until maybe after my surgery.  They have been very open about their work.  I am impressed.

I know they have posted about it I just wanted to provide the live link the the cryptocoinsnews article about their ordering going live.
They are great guys it has been a pleasure to interview Antti and to see their progress.
They are also giving out a discount as outlined in my article.
I hope you all enjoy and Happy Mining.
Congrats Noncetech.


http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/noncetech-announces-official-miner-sales-launch/2014/04/09 (http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/noncetech-announces-official-miner-sales-launch/2014/04/09)

I'm sorry but I didn't have my camera with me ( stupid me forgot it ), but Noncetech uploaded 2 videos (http://noncetech.com/featured-videos/)  to their web site last night.

Thank you for visiting and writing about us! You forgot to mention the coffee and cookies!

Here are some comments to your post:

We have been running beta cards for about a week now without problems, however we have had to take the setup down to do some hardware and software updates.

About the chassis: we have been working with our chassis supplier and cooling systems subcontractor. The cooling inside the chassis is set up so that the mining card coolers are constantly pushing out the hot air and the frontal fans are there only to supply fresh air. The chassis should not be a problem with overheating.

The user interface is indeed still under development, but it is almost finished (1 or 2 days left). The communication with cgminer will use the standard cgminer API connection, thus it should also work with other cgminer monitor softwares.



In other news, here are the videos:

Simulating Sampo 1T with beta cards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exvXD2K9vNA

DIY overview for the mining card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctam5lk_xKQ

I will get those videos linked into the article for you when I get home.  Between flights right now.
Looks great guys.

Thank you Scott.

We have added bundle options for the Sampo 1T.

Buying 2 Sampo 1T's will save $400.

Buying 3 will save $700.

Thank you for letting me visit, it was a pleasure, and yes I forgot to mention the coffee, cookies and the delicious ginger beer :)

Good to see that you have the cooling for the cases figured out, I can imagine that tunneling the air flow trough the case and the miners cooler will be sufficient to keep the case inside at acceptable operating temperatures. Now that I think of it, you mentioned just as I was leaving, that you had done some simulations for the case cooling.

And I figured that the coding part wouldn't take you long to get ready, as you seemed to have a very capable team working on the miners.   

Your welcome they are in the article now.
Looks great.
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/noncetech-announces-official-miner-sales-launch/2014/04/09 (http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/noncetech-announces-official-miner-sales-launch/2014/04/09)

You don't own a phone?

Please cyberspaced no need to be snide! Virtualspade was extremely nice to visit our demo event personally. Even more nice of him to comment on what he saw. There's plenty of footage; both videos and images available of the mining performance of our product in the launch thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=562182.0

We can provide you with any information you feel that is missing if you contact us directly via email: info@noncetech.com

Videos and a few photos from one source...!

You guys moved from Finland to China, so my guess is that most people here would like to see some proof from someone not affiliated with Noncetech.
And why can't you provide info here, could end up saving you answering a lot of mails...
If possible, can you tell me the noise level in dB of one card running turbo ( they sound really loud in your video )?

Point taken on the dB measurement! I agree on having the pictures only from one source is not great and we're working to get this fixed, but I would still be thankful if we could avoid personal remarks on the thread. I'll provide the thread with the noise level information asap.

Thank you for your interest so far!

I would describe the noise as something from a quiet vacuum cleaner.

That's kinda subjective! A real measurement in dB would be nice, a video of the measurement even better!!

We will measure the dB tomorrow. We think it is something customers should know.

That's kinda subjective! A real measurement in dB would be nice, a video of the measurement even better!!
yeah ,really need it!

The video of the dB measurement will be uploaded in a few hours.

The dB values are in!

For 1 mining card, the dB level was 64.4dB.

For 4 mining cards, the dB level was 69.8 dB.

The measures were taken from a 50cm distance in a 28m² rectangular room. The mining cards were not in a chassis, which would decrease the dB levels.


1 mining card on:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2vmaefk.jpg


4 mining cards on:
http://i57.tinypic.com/51v5fl.jpg

Here's a picture taken from BTCguild pool with Sampo 1T miner.
https://i.imgur.com/UUuqlyF.jpg


Here's some test result info for Sampo 1T.
https://i.imgur.com/RuE0xb2.png

-Noncetech

Looks great.
Is there any room for overclocking or are the chips already pushed to the max on the 1 th/s unit?

CoinCraft A1 chips can be pushed up to 33GH/s as the Bitmine.ch site itself states. This will put put a board up to ~260GH/s making Sampo 1T go 1040GH/s- on the turbo mode the chips are set approximately at 31.5GH/s a piece. The power usage and board component temperatures start increasing rather fast as you get closer to the high end values. This is because you'll have to run the chips with higher voltage to keep avoiding hardware errors.

In short, there's room to push it higher but the advantage gained is questionable.

BTC Only four Sampo beta mining cards remain before they're sold out BTC These are ready to ship immediately once payment is completed. http://noncetech.com/products-page/

Also I recommend people checking the news article about us on cryptocoinsnews http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/noncetech-announces-official-miner-sales-launch/2014/04/09 . There's a little something for anyone who's thinking of buying a new rig home. On another note, do ask and comment us about everything and anything related to our products! We're trying to have a constant surveillance on this thread and all of the feedback is valuable to us.

To tackle the issue pointed out earlier of not having pictures from a third party we've sent out one of our Sampo cards to the community's very own dogie! The card should arrive to him by Monday and the review/setup guide will be up when he has the time to make it.

Our own setup and user guides will be up on our website soon as well.

-Noncetech

Hello miners!

There is less than 24 hours left to pre-order our product and be one of the first to have our product in your hands! Now is your chance to be part of future history.

On another note, we are listed on the great list of bitcoin miners:
https://coinplorer.com/Hardware

In terms of speed/$ our Sampo mining card comes 8th! Disregarding products that are not available and the ASIC, we are 4th!

Quick link to sales:
http://noncetech.com/products-page/

Dogie's Comprehensive Noncetech Sampo Setup Guide now up! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570960)
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5204/13855090973_fec5739278_c.jpg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570960)

Isn't a competitive price for 1TH $2,500? And a good price for 1 TH $2,000? 3,500 is really high.

I like how Coinplorer has BA listed as available. And almost non of the shipping A1 companies are there.

I guess you are comparing our products at least with the S1.

Did you compare our prices with any other products?

The dragon miner 1th are ~2700-2800, 800gh avalon g3 ~2300. Available this week.

Is this project still alive?

https://coinplorer.com/hardware mentions a shipping date of May 5 (today).

Yes it is.
They are going to be announcing new pricing very soon.

The Antminer S2 is also $2199 with the $400 coupons they rained on all their customers.