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I made a thread about the new antminer s9 hydro. It got trashed by the mods for some unknown reason (maybe I'll repost it in serious discussion).

I got redirected to another thread on it filled with utter shit.

All I wanted to know was how difficult the radiator for water cooling would be to add and got nothing but a deleted topic and a waste of time (don't reply to my question here though).

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EDIT, my OP which I found going through my drafts.

There you go. Another one! At-least you are not someone who will not know about the stuffs of getting a post deleted. AFAIK you are one of the member who is well aware about the rules of the forum, you are not a random guy here.

Anyway, mods and users can make mistakes. I am sure there is an explanation for that.

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Update
When you are saying thread meaning you are saying it was your topic?

Well thanks for the support. I'm not entirely sure what's gone on here...

Yes they can, but I was warned by a user who replied to my topic that it would probably get deleted, I should've archived it with that warning (although I didn't think the warning was credible because it's a bit of an odd one)...


Yes. A topic I made...

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I went through my drafts and found it:

It would appear that the mods don't know the difference between an s9 and an s9 hydro

Man, It's the same Samsung device! It's just that the hydro version can be used underwater, in your bath, etc...
we all know that!

There has been some other complains as well about replies and threads being deleted without any known reasoning. Mods will surely have to clarify this as users would get disappointed by such things. I, personally, would definitely feel bad if any of my replies or topics get deleted while they shouldn't.

Sometimes the most experienced fella in the herd can miss the very basic  (:)) In that case I guess - the explanation from Jet Cash had a point.   ;D

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@jack: I am sure there will be some explanation from the mod who deleted it. We better wait for him/her.

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I am having another thought. Look at the URL...

I hope mod didn't think that pid=00020180824185106363KYTqeq8S06C4 could be referral link? I can assure you that sometimes (some) mods don't even check the full post before they delete it.

It happened to me once too.

I made a big post about mining and energy consumption. It received many merits

But the moderator in the mining board just deleted without any message.

I don't mind if he deleted my topic because he considers it trash.
However I lost what I wrote, which I worked for some minutes writing it. If I had received a pm  I would have a copy of that deleted post...

I thought that moderator was too rude not sending a pm

If I remember well I've read it somewhere in Meta that moderation in the Mining section is the strictest in the forum...
Let's see what will be the answer from the mod

Was it within your last hundred posts, if so you can do what I do and go here to find it? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=drafts

Hmm, it could be.
I liked the joke Robert ;D!

Yes that's probably best.


I suppose that product id could be mistaken for profile id or something similar, although they could see that it was bitmain and they don't often give out referral links.


They might already have been if I didn't get a notification from it then yours could have been deleted without getting a pm too!

Hilariousandco might be able to shed some light on who deleted it. Although I doubt the actual moderator will come. I think it won't be gmaxwell as he moderates the alternative clients section quite well. Could be one of the other two though...
It's not strict moderation, it's deleting most of the posts at this rate!

I remember the topic, I was the one who pointed you to the other thread; along with the backstory on the other topics.

I'm surprised that these topics aren't just being locked if they consider them to have to much overlap. It would be more helpful to maintaining a discussion. Lock the topic with a final reply.

It's not uncommon for the discussion centered around hardware to turn into a megathread, and yes not all posts can be great within those threads. It does help in preventing 50-100 threads popping up centered around every piece of hardware.

While the topic isn't starting out with a lot of great info asking your question there could help turn the discussion.

EDIT: Here is the original meta about the first 4 topics started on the subject.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4973939.0

Theymos's final reply should have served as a gentle guide to how your topic should have been handled.

Drafts only save a week's work, its limited only to hundred.

Its a possibility, but maybe someone reported it?

Hilariousandco won't be able to tell,AFAIK. Last time when something had happened in the mining section, theymos said it wasn't -ck, nor Frodocropper. Maybe this time too its the same mod who deleted the posts last time? Maybe?

Ah yes, I didn't notice the 7 days thing. Although if he made it this week then it's alright.

But why???

He's a global moderator so he should be able to see who deleted that post shouldn't he? Much like Theymos can?


How is my thread similar to theirs?
Asking how a liquid cooling radiator could be applied to an antminer s9 hydro is similar to a general enquirey/announcement of the miner - hmmm?
I'm going to just have to find something else to do with an abundance of free electricity because clearly no one's interested in helping aspiring miners to start...
We wanted a decentralised currency but for some reason we forget that...

I was the one who deleted (or rather, moved to the Trashcan) jackg's topic.

The reason I deleted jackg's topic should be obvious to anyone who bothered to read the rules governing the Mining section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2415854.0), which are plastered at the top of every Mining board.

The relevant rule here is this:


When jackg posted their topic in Hardware, theymos had already restored all of the previous S9 Hydro-related threads that I had moved to the Trashcan. There were four threads: this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4945375.0) by Shad0wSmurf, this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4950897.0) by taserz, this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4969205.0) by coinbeamer, and the currently active one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4958252.0) by Philopolymath. The new topic that was started by jackg was therefore redundant, and their question should have been posted in Philopolymath's thread instead.

For the record, I disagree with theymos' interpretation of the rules regarding this issue and sidehack's contention that the S9 Hydro is a distinctly new and unique model that warranted its own thread.

-ck's rule as quoted above is unequivocal in its assertion that only one unique topic may be started for a "new piece of hardware." I interpret this as meaning a distinctly new and unique model or make of mining hardware.

The S9 Hydro, in my opinion, does not qualify as a distinctly new and unique model. Here are two reasons why.

Firstly, Bitmain itself clearly did not seek to market the S9 Hydro as a distinctly new and unique model. If they did, they would not have used the S9 moniker to market the S9 Hydro. The fact that they did continue to use the S9 moniker to label the S9 Hydro shows that they intended to market the S9 Hydro as a mid-cycle upgrade that is still part of the S9 series, like how they market the S9i and the S9j as mid-cycle hardware refreshes of the stock S9.

Secondly, and flowing from the first reason, all of the miners that bear the S9 label — including the S9 Hydro — are designed and built upon the same foundation, i.e., Bitmain's 16nm chip. Others (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4958252.msg44977634#msg44977634) have noticed this too. The differences that sidehack mentions elsewhere seem to me as changes that were made merely to accommodate the new liquid-based cooling system and to perhaps bump up the spec sheet figures for marketing purposes. There is nothing revolutionary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4958252.msg44892613#msg44892613) regarding the S9 Hydro to justify calling it an entirely new model that would qualify it for having its own thread.

Nevertheless, since theymos has decided otherwise, and being my superior, I am therefore obliged to respect his decision and to allow Philopolymath's S9 Hydro thread to remain. This does not mean, however, that I will in any way relax my interpretation and enforcement of the forum's rules.

All further discussion regarding the S9 Hydro should therefore be posted in Philopolymath's thread. The only exception here would be requests for technical support, which are to be posted in Mining Support.

After that long-winded response. I'm off to ivory tower tomorrow to post or even off topic.

I can't be dealing with so many rules of subsections to forums it makes very little sense and I don't use the mining section enough to warrant using the time to read them.

As I stated, that other thread was filled with nothing but crap I don't know why it was kept...

The S7 used the 16nm chips also so that's the same machine too ;D and it's fairly obvious that bitmain have abandoned their account here at the moment...

I've noticed a lot of users getting annoyed their threads are being deleted too...

Because the most of them Spamshit Threads full with Spam and Bot Users !

Over moderation actually creates spam. It drives members asking reasonable questions awaay from the forum to find answers. I've had to go elsewhere to find answers to questions I've asked after they were deleted or moved. So why does this create spam? Well if decent posters have to go elsewhere for discussions, then that drops the quality of the boards, and if they have to post on the unmoderated boards like beginners or off topic, then their threads tend to get swamped with spam.

Well, there's someone who posted something about "Overmoderation of the hardware forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4973939.0)" last August 29 that needs a proper response from the board's moderator(s).
Although, Admin (theymos) already responded, it would be nice if you can white a comment.

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Off topic.
50 Decibels is as quiet as a typical living room ;) & yes the topic's pretty trashy IMO.

Nope. Only admins have access to that info. In fact, not even sure if cyrus has full privileges theymos does for these sorts of things.

They're generally significant users, users of more significance than me anyway.


That's all off topic.

And I'm trying to work out what sound 50dB sounds like. I had a measurer of it but I couldn't work out what it was similar to. In an empty room it was at about 40dB and with the tv on about 50-55dB...

Yeah, you could both do with a nice promotion somewhere to give theymos a bit of a break (he does a lot around here which you and cyrus could probably be assigned to)...

cyrus can already do many of the things needed like restoring accounts, the issue is that he just doesn't.

Probably why theymos doesn't assign them to you, because cyrus doesn't do as much...
Theymos has been really efficient in his works though, it's quite impressive how dedicated he is to the forum.

I don't get the logic behind that. Surely that would be more incentive to add somebody else. What good is an admin if they're doing very little? Workload could be distributed between various mods. Theymos recently said that he's even thought about getting rid of ad slots because they're time -consuming to run and that just seems silly to me. Kill off the only source of income this place has? Pass that work on to someone else so theymos can crack on with coding the forum. The more workload he delegates the less stress and hassle for him and he's then free to do the more important stuff and the forum benefits in the process.

Why not just kick Cyrus down to glob mod and give hilariousandco the job of admin... He's definitely way more active especially with account recovery and other stuff here.

The auction things are probably not too difficult to run, they're just time that theymos could spend doing other things... The value of ad slots seems to have slumped for a while though. It used to be that the slots were selling close to 1BTC if not more, now they're going to about 0.16BTC. There was even an almost-winning bid a few weeks ago that was 0.04BTC, that's a seriously undervalued slot.

Cyrus could be busy doing other things behind the scenes that we don't know about. Or maybe he isn't. No way to tell unless someone says otherwise, but I don't think we should be getting rid of admins.


It might have been bringing in 1btc a long time ago, but I can't see them going for anywhere near that at current value. Maybe theymos should sell them at a fixed rate instead of running auctions. I've suggested before that there should be premium ad slot at the top of certain sub boards like this:

https://i.imgur.com/jIbHl22.jpg

Businesses could target their market better (and which they would obviously pay more for). For instance a dice site could advertise in Gambling sub or a Campaign Manager in Services etc but theymos doesn't seem interested.

I think they sold for that price when we had the big bull run from £2000 to £14000, I think people were just confused as to what to do and they might still get enough impressions to pay back what they're paying...

I'm not sure I like the board idea either, it looks a bit in the way and a bit too much like what bitcoin garden do.

Also, we kicked badbear for some reason though?

If he were to demand 0.5BTC for them, I think that he'd still get a lot of takers for it.
Maybe he could start an auction at a reserve price of 0.16BTC to make it a bit more interesting... Or when I get a bit more money, I could buy up every slot for 0.2BTC and see how many outbid me.

Each to their own, but I don't find them too intrusive, and it's not like the vast majority of websites on the internet don't offer such banners.


Nope. He just walked away. That's what happens when too much responsibility is placed on one person. It just becomes too much to handle. I always said it was too much work for just one person and now cyrus just doesn't seem to bother either so nothing gets done. At least BadBear used to look into half the stuff that needed doing.


I doubt it. I'm surprised people even bid on them to be honest. Especially when you can create your own crapcoin token and pay people for free to advertise. The slots are also barely even noticeable and are drowned out by all the signatures.

Yeah a lot of websites do. it reminds me too much of faucets now though :).

That sounds sadly true, badbear given too much of a role. Maybe we need to demote hilarousandco to keep him here instead then ;D?


I think it'd  look quite impressive to some users that are loyal to the forum actually to see that a site has donated to the forum to advertise itself when it could have gone elsewhere with a much lower fee...

This forum should be a great place for a business that accepts Bitcoin to advertise its products. Just imaging, if Starbucks do start to accept Bitcoin, this should be an ideal place for them to advertise for new customers. They aren't going to do it if their advert is going to be buried amongst all the underworld adverts.

Theymos could create an automated advertising system for the forum for few selected spots like hilari (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4986760.msg45090167#msg45090167) spotted. This could really bring some good amount of revenue which could spend on hiring more staffs or any other positions that could eventually help the forum.  

Anyway, we all know theymos is not bothered with any of these (generating more revenue, hiring more staffs or having an in-house developer team etc), so talking about this - is kind of pointless.

I think starbucks accepted bitcoin at the weird point in 2015 when swagbucks were trying to get people to use them in order to store their nectar points and starbucks points and quite a few other cards all in one place (although I don't think many people actually did).

Bitmain should be advertising here, or at least still be active. The fact that they aren't says something about the mining boards, imho.

I think it's more telling of them as a business. They realise all they have to do is announce a product and the advertising will be done for them, with no cost or effort.

Canaan and their distributors have taken a different approach. They have a different view of customer support, and post on the forum. If I'm not mistaken cryptouniverse did actually advertise on the forum recently.

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The hardware section has changed. There has been another point of view added to the mix, in regards to the difference between moderation and overmoderation. It has also been shown that there is a respected hierarchy and if there is an issue posting on Meta can net action or response to the issue.