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I am not part of the "inner circle", although I wish I was :).

Now let's paste RS's response just to be fair.

I think I spoke my opinion as I always do. I believe that RS will deliver as he always has.

Let's hope that the source is released soon, and we can actually start to dispel some of the FUD and misinformation.

I'll just leave this here:

https://i.imgur.com/ofSJj.png

https://i.imgur.com/q5qbl.png

https://i.imgur.com/Neh3p.png

Yeah, CH is now actively saying he's trying to subvert governments and take over the world.  I mean, this is just nuts.

If you really think that a PUBLIC IRC channel which can be joined by anyone (besides the banned accounts) is the inner circle  ;D

You can also get there and discuss about SC2 if you like  :)

Could you please mark the according sentences above? As "retard" I am not able to get your points  :)

Am I the only one who sees that holding SC just became a huge liability?

I'm not super clear on laws, but I'm pretty sure holding a currency whose intentions are to subvert governments is frowned upon, legally.  Depending on where you live, of course.

Maybe you should forward this to your congressmen if you really are concerned! It doesn't help to protect the country if just publish it in a small niche forum...

I don't hold any SC 2.0, nor have I installed it on any machine.  So I'm clean  ;)

edit: it also may be a liability for bitcointalk.org

Guys guys guys, I know that the

#SolidCoin channel on IRC (freenode.net, right next door to the #Bitcoin channel, in case you were wondering)

is a really cool place to hang out and chat to the creator of SolidCoin and other cool guys (like me  8)) but do you really need to post the logs every day? It's free for anyone to come in and chat to us, even trolls are welcome. I mean, if people want to read this stuff they can just come into the channel for themselves?

BTCEX: We'd love to see you in there using your real nick for once instead of coming in using fake names...

It's true that people are getting impatient and frustrated waiting for the Source Code to come out, we have so many people eager to help us create the world's #1 CryptoCurrency it's not surprising that people really want to get started as quickly as they can.

Guys, just have patience, we will get there ;D

Hmmm, I betcha, That if i walk in, And RealSolid is there, I'll beable to bitch about SC's source code not being out, And i'll get banned.

How much longer is this drabble going to go on for? Just leave solid coin and it will die.

I dont see Anyone Liking it, Just a bunch of Dicks trying to "grab alot of SC's then sell them when their worth something"
And so honestly, If the whole SC market is people like RealSolid, Do you actually expect to earn money off this? Seriously?

Fuck for all he cares he'll start a New chain the second someone gets more coins than he owns. and ban anyone who bitches
and then make a public statement of "there was a bad bug in SC's chain and it needed to be reset, Sorry"

"Standard Policy"?? Beg pardon? Whose standard exactly? I don't believe there are a council of elders that govern what people do on IRC, but I could be wrong?


Pff. You can connect over TOR to Freenode, plus surely BTCEX, being the master hacker he is, can connect from any number of IP addresses with ease?


Heyyy! that's our Dear Leader you're talking about there! He might be a freak but he's a lovely one! Leave him alone you big bully!


Jeez, well with an attitude like that mister grumpy face you will get banned!

The IRC channel is a place for nice people to discuss ideas about SolidCoin and try to help one another, not to ask for the Source Code over and over and over in new and increasingly less interesting ways. You will get your god damn Source Code, just chill buddy.

What does this mean for people in the US who hold/mine/use SolidCoin?


I live in the US.  The above is some scary shit. RS fucked up.

It means that U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins isn't getting enough pussy and feels the need to make grandiose statements to raise her own profile while winning an open-and-shut counterfeiting case.

If you're trying to compare Liberty Dollars to Solidcoin you really won't get very far. Here's what the person she's talking about, Bernard Von NotHaus, was charged with:

"Von NotHaus designed the Liberty Dollar currency in 1998 and the Liberty coins were marked with the dollar sign ($); the words dollar, USA, Liberty, Trust in God (instead of In God We Trust); and other features associated with legitimate U.S. coinage. Since 1998, NORFED has been issuing, disseminating, and placing into circulation the Liberty Dollar in all its forms throughout the United States and Puerto Rico. NORFED’s purpose was to mix Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States. NORFED intended for the Liberty Dollar to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with, United States currency."

Source: http://www.fbi.gov/charlotte/press-releases/2011/defendant-convicted-of-minting-his-own-currency

If you think that is the same as mining a SolidCoin, you are dead wrong. And besides, if SolidCoin *is* found guilty in some way of "undermining the US Dollar" (lol) the exact same charge could be brought against Bitcoin.

Lrn2facts.

No.  Bitcoin is open source, and no one in development has ever stated their intent is to subvert governments.  That was fucking retarded on RS's part.

RS screwed up bigtime.

I suggest to anyone who holds/mines SC inside of the US to GET RID OF ANY AND ALL TRACE you ever even had SC on your machine.

It doesn't mean a thing. That statement was in relation to Liberty Dollar, who clearly tried to make a currency that resembles the US dollar.

The last time I looked, the solidcoin logo was still purple.

Hey, maybe your right.  But... maybe I'm right.

The US has a funny way of interpreting laws and precedents - and SC put itself in that test chamber.  Don't be stuck holding the bag.

+1 and i hate SC,

That nicely written peice of Legal document does not affect us.
I touch only bitcoins.

Every post you make you discredit yourself further. I wonder if anyone actually listens to you.

Dude, RS said his goal with 1) to make a currency 2) which is stronger than governments 3) to take over the world.

I'm not a legal expert by any means, but that is some crazy shit.  Crazy shit that I wouldn't want anyone to get wrapped up in due to ignorance.

If you think SC is clean from liability, great.  I don't.

Maybe one day, some currency will replace the US dollar as a reserve currency, it could even be based on crypto technology.

How cool would that be. Suddenly the entity controlling the money wouldn't be the only one printing the money.

There are too many US dollars anyway...

Btw, what is the connection between SolidCoin and Al-Qaeda?

Note use of future tense in the very last sentence.
I wonder if those intelligent people are the same who said in September "hey, 18M max coins isn't enough, let's make that infinite and premine 13M already!" and then a few days ago "wow, we're making far too many coins, we should make new blocks worth 1/7th of what they used to!" Oh, well...

The dollar isn't a reserve currency. Gold is. Because it, unlike any printed or computed money, has an intrinsic value.

No, that would be a waste of my time. But you obviously haven't either, otherwise you wouldn't be a SC worshiper.
Happy now?

+1 and I am 100% convinced ScamCoin is worthless.

LibertyCoin was a case of fraud and counterfiting.  Nothing more.  It has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin, ScamCoin, or any other alt-coin unless you decide to launch "FederalReserveCoins" and make statement indicating it is legal tender and guaranteed by the US Federal Reserve to be good for all debts public and private.

Ten98, I'm surprised you even suggested this. I assume you hang out in #solidcoin all the time. You should know that RealSolid bans us the moment we log in with our username or our IP. And anyone dares say anything bad about solidcoin or complain about it, they get banned pretty quickly. #solidcoin is run by a tyrant, and it's the opposite of "free for anyone to come in and chat to us, even trolls are welcome". If you want a real free chatroom, come visit #litecoin and talk about SC if you want. Everyone is welcome even you, Ten98. I won't ban anyone, except for spammers. So far, I have not banned a single person.

Why are you constantly bringing this up? "Making a currency which is stronger than governments and taking over the world" is not bad advertisement at all. :)

Coblee, it looks like you are not banned from #solidcoin right now.

I figured I'd take up on Ten98's offer and try again. I haven't been banned yet.

Usually only trolls get banned :-)

It's true, I looked at the log, BTCEX was banned almost immediatly

So my statements remains: trolls get banned ^^

So sp0tter is a troll?

Solid Coin Troll definition: anyone who disagrees with or points out legitimate criticism of the glorious leader.

they're digging their own grave guys, just let them. its not hard to see them walking slowly off the cliff. it's just a matter of time. hopefully the smart ones will dump and profit now before it's too late.

yea, i think the exchanges have to update to some beta code that god knows what other bug will introduce. any business man with common sense is going to stay away from buggy closed code that could be doing who knows what. If I were an exchange or pool, I wouldn't be hosting that software, no way.

Nothing good comes from debating zealots and megalomaniacs. They are not logical and quick to anger when their authority is challenged and/or confronted with facts that don't fit their paradigm.

I think that would be a fun read! You should post the log here if you do it.

This didn't actually happen.

Come on CoinHunter at least try and keep your sockpuppets identies seperate.

How would you know unless you are CoinHunter/RealSolid?  RealSolid is never in IRC when you aren't?

I asked on meta if we could get these stupid sockpuppets banned and never got a response.

CoinHunter - pretending to be a total moron isn't a good disguise for you, you are already a total moron so your sockpuppets look and act exactly like you. No-one believes SolidCoin has a snowball's chance in hell of getting you rich. You can't code, you can't design, and no-one likes you.

If BCX is right about you being Daniel Parnell you should know you look like a freak. Have a wash, a shave, get a proper job, and stop trolling projects you don't understand.

lmao, doxxed.

i guess since you have access to itunes, you can easily doxx people. not a good thing, but hey.

This guy: http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/John-Eddowes/595051435

He looks like a loon, but I'm having trouble believing anyone who devotes his life to supplying good quality groceries and other delicious items at very reasonable prices can be an internet troll.

Is siding with solidcoin equivilant to being an "internet troll" now? The sentiment is opposite at solidcointalk.

Thanks. You on the other hand are a rather offensive individual.

So then you are not going to take up on the offer it seems ?

What "aims" was that?  I just thought you found out the Kool-Aid was rancid and got disillusioned.

I figured SC stopped using the bulanula account when it got banned from the btc-e chat.

After searching google for his username I see he lives in Welwyn Garden City ( nice place, if somewhat boring ), has a wide taste in music, and uses an iphone 3gs. He also eats sweet and sour lion at the Tesco canteen, yum! He really does seem like a perfectly normal guy. Sooner or later he will figure out that the SC RS paid him to troll these forums are worthless and he will give up.

Hopefully that viper lemon party clown will give up too.

I think it might be a case of being the #2 man in the turd kingdom is better than being a nobody in a much larger project like Bitcoin.  I was curious about the reaction to 80% revenue drop for the pesants so I checked the ScamCoin forums.  Two people were logged in.  One was the glorious leader and the other was Viper.

I think as flawed as it is he thinks he will ride the coatails to something of significance. My guess is when it crashes and burns he leaves crypto-currency scene completely and becomes one of those people writing illogical rants about Bitcoin.

What about me ? Did you managed to confirm I am not RS yet ? Thank you !

So you were not able to dox my account ??? I want you to confirm I am not RS. I stopped trolling for SC long time ago.

Dude, You do know that ALOT of modern games (namely BF3) Is allowed to Ban you for trolling right? That how pissed off the world is at trolls, And you were Trolling for fucking RS and his SC's
We dont like you.

One of the reasons why I stopped playing DRM-ed games. They abuse the DRMs to enforce censorship. So they can eat dust and drop dead, as far as I'm concerned.

It's impossible to confirm that anyone ISN'T RS, only possible to confirm someone IS RS. For all you guys know, everyone on this forum is the same really busy guy.  :P

Well, I don't play games sonny. I'm too old for that. What are you, like 17 ? Keep on playing your childish games all day and you will get very far in life very fast.

It's part of surgery training (http://www.rxpgnews.com/surgery/Surgeons-with-video-game-skill-are-better-with_16363.shtml), duh :D

Today that makes about as much sense as saying "I don't watch movies I am too old.  What are you a kid?"

Video games generate more revenue than the movie industry today and are still growing.  Most games are purchased and played by adults.  Just like movies, books, and other forms of entertainment.

Hey stop that ageism! I'm 52 and damn proud of my standing in my Clan. Game playing only stops when you give up looking at the world with the eyes of a child.

Thanks for the age mentioning Loup, I'll send your post to my wife. I won't let her complain for another 7 years when I'm playing CSS ;). I hope you'll still be around at that time to re-establish the age threshhold.

Cheers! from another young old man.

You when you don't have enough time :( I wish I could still play...

Oh BCX made a new account called "foxit"  ;D

I'm a very successful 41 year old and I play video games as a hobby.

How is gaming any different than scrap booking, which my sister does, or volleyball, which my brother does, or knitting, which my step sister does?  Just a way to pass time.  Playing video games occupies the mind a lot more than watching TV.

 This post advances the thread how ? Speculative at best. Please try to refrain from making useless posts and baseless accusations.

Define "siccessful" ( sic ) for me please.

"Siccessful" was a typo.  If you look on your keyboard, you'll see the i and u right next to each other.  :)

How is the source code release "partial"  ???
It compiles and runs just fine, looks quite complete to me.

He didn't release the code for the trusted nodes or the 2.0 release.

Success would be different to different people.  I play some games (at 44), but nothing especially modern.  So some random measures could be:
 - I'm still married (25 years), alive, and my daughter is attending university next year.
 - I've done well in business, well enough to pay off my house, travel a bit and still have money in the bank.
 - My hobbies are a bit expensive (mainly my car for track purposes), and computer stuff.
 - We help keep various people alive and/or provide support to different causes (more my wife's organising than mine)

Also, I would tend not to write "buggy" or messy code, and if I promised source was supposed to be released, I'd stick by that.  I struggle to see how Solidcoin, and the people behind it measure their success as it is still struggling to gain traction.  Obfuscation and distraction generating a bunch of annoyed people doesn't seem to be very successful outcome.

I would also really like it if Ten98 could look up the definition of troll and use the term properly.

In all fairness, it'd be impossible to 'prove' what code the control nodes are running. In order to bridge the gap from believing the same source we have is the source the majority of control nodes are running, it takes trusting in people who have zero accountability.

Which is an interesting case: RS previously stated that the CPF would be used to legally pursue control account operators if they act 'malicious'.  That would be fine and dandy if there were some kind of public, notarized contract (with legalese I can't even begin to imagine), signed by 10 different real, verifiable people, who would take financial responsibility for anything their control account, of the initial 10, puts/denies into the network.

POLL: Who here who has looked at the source would sign that contract? ::)

But then, what of control accounts from 'legitimate' SC Millionares?  They've signed no such contract.  It's back to zero accountability.

heh, just noticed im in the logs, OMG IM MTV FAMOUS NOW :D

What logs ?

We know that the trusted nodes are synchonized somehow, so that only one is signing blocks at any given time. I'm not sure if this would require any changes to the client itself - possibly not - but the software to do this synchronization definitely isn't public.

I certainly wouldn't. In fact, that seems like a seriously bad idea.

The King controls the land and castles ( trusted nodes ). The peasants ( miners ) only bow down to his majesty. All hail King RealScam !!!

We are probably never going to see the trusted node source code.

Corrected it for you :)

I know, otherwise you would never have made such a ludicrous statement.
If we are wrong about the trusted nodes, you could prove it by posted filenames and linenumbers of the relevant code.
Too bad you can't read the source to know what to post.  ::)

 Hear that mods ? Do your fucking job or promote other people so they are able to clean these forums of the shit that's clogging it.

 Getting tired of it all and it's really starting to make this place look bad.

The mods have cleaned up.  I think the only reason alt currencies have their own forum is because Off-Topic was becoming flooded (i might be wrong).

Eventually the shock factor of SC's spectacular fail will die down and their trolls won't have a leg to stand on anymore.  Just ignore them, move along, and be sure to only post if it contributes to the discussion.

I keep hearing about this fail but I'm not seeing it....
SC hasn't been hacked
Price is pretty stable (and higher than all other alt currencies except NMC.)
Development is still happening rapidly. (Improved qt based client in the works.)
Even some merchants have started to come on board. (Head shop today!)
I know it's a little different to the other coins and doesn't conform totally to the decentralised dream, but failing it 'aint.

127 btc worth of market cap on the largest exchange compared to 350 for ltc. It may be currently valued higher, but that's artificial price support by those who benefit from free pre-mining and unlimited free coins.
Check the source, it installs pre-hacked. Central control can do anything they want with your coins, your account and you ability to do anything about it. And has.
Price is a minimal sample size and irrelevant to other altcoins. Each stands on its own merits or failings. Nmc actually have a purpose, ltc has a theoretical purpose, sc, gg, tbx, and fbx are get-rich-quick schemes by their various founders. At least the brix and gg are honest about it, and are trying to retroactively find a raison d'etre.
Rapid bug fixes that create new bugs to cover up for falsehoods, fraud and extremely poor coding do not count as development, regardless of how much the developer claims his time is worth per hour. There are literally hundreds of useful bitcoin and altcoin features in the works. Open source, which sc does not enjoy, actually encourages development. Closed source, especially closed source based on pirated software inhibits development.
A single Head Shop, regardless of how critical that is to your personal economy, is not widespread merchant adoption. Think about the model of sc, and honesty answer yourself... if I was running a widget market, and my customers wanted to pay in a p2p crypto currency, would I prefer the world standard and those based on that format, or some buggy uncertain scam that is controlled by one emotionally unstable person who is beyond my jurisdiction in terms of enforcement of anything I hope to get from his coin? It hasn't happened, it isn't happening, and it isn't going to happen. That's just plain, cold, hard facts.
Let's take this one in parts- it's not "a little different" it is the antithesis of what altcoins are all about. It is the complete and intentional opposite championed by shouting fans who want to attract more victims so they can break even and get out of the pyramid before the world sees that the emperor is buck ass naked. Oops, too late. And he's is certifiable at the same time. Then, "doesn't conform totally to the decentralised (sic) dream". The very foundational concept of p2p crypto coins is to provide a anonymous decentralized model for value transfer. What sc does is give you nothing but centralized control, governed by a sociopath with enormous mood swings and delusions of grandeur. Saying it "doesn't conform totally..." is like saying Stalin had a couple of bad days at the office. He slaughtered his own population by the millions. Its that kind of power imbalance.

Is it alive? Yes. If that is your definintion "ain't failing" I concede the point meets your less than stringent standards of evidence. Will it ever be accepted outside of a very tiny, incestuous micro-society of mutual parasites feeding off each other, and one or two purveyors of alternate lifestyle accessories? No. Why would any legitimate business person even consider it? Because some jacked up Visual Basic cut and paste code thief says it is the most secure thing, and well on the way to parity with btc, ready to take over prominence any moment now? Please, get a grip on reality.

Have fun in your little clubhouse, you guys can knock yourselves out minting those wacky little shortbus coins and pretending that the world will someday care what Doctor Ding Dong feeds you as gospel. That's a big ain't.

All the code for the trusted nodes is there. If you don't find it, you should take a coding class.

I can only wonder how a coding class would make anyone accept the concept of "trusted nodes" which should actually be called "co-conspirator nodes"? Even if the proverbial 10,000 monkeys put together the most streamlined, crisp, never breaks at all wonder-code for sc, nothing can change the fact that the concept is fatally flawed. Who wants something where one person can dictate changes and values at will? It doesn't work in this model. Perhaps there is a community of intellectual troglodytes somewhere on the planet who have need of a value transfer mechanism that can be manipulated by a single sociopath. And maybe they can use those tokens to buy rides on a short bus to the head shop, or a ticket to see pigs fly, but here in the real world? Shortbus coins are as useless as tits on a boar. And about as desirable.

its possible, should the SC network grow in size and power then the trusted nodes would become redundant.... they were only really needed because of the asses that would destroy a new alt chain while its starting out.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

You think it is a coincidence that King RealScam owns 100% of the control nodes (they have nothing to do w/ trust).
You think it is a coincidence that the network can't operate without consent of the control nodes.
You think it is a coincidence that after giving himself 12M+ coins and then early adopter cronies another 2M in "broken" difficulty adjustment the reward was cut 87%.

The control nodes will never go away.  They exist for the purpose of allowing a single person complete and never ending control over the network.

At the current rate of generation the network will only produce roughly 1M coins a year.  The network follows the decision of 51% of control money so to take the network out of King RealSolid hands would require ~12M new control nodes.  Lets just say roughly a decade.  It is never going to happen.

RS has the private keys of all 10 control accounts.  The control accounts decide what gets accepted.  If RS wants to change something, he changes the code on the control nodes - and if you don't follow suite you have no recourse.  Without more 'control accounts' from legitimate 'sc millionaires' to override the 12m+ premine RS gave to himself, there is *nothing* to prevent RS from doing what he wants.

You're better at math than I am Viper, how long will it take for 13m solidcoins to be mined?  And that's only meeting the theoretical threshold.

That's not talking about the tax and where it goes.  That's talking about the core mechanics themselves are enforced by one person, who has already seen fit to change mechanics at will.

You sir are gravely mistaken,

That's complete centralization.

Edit:  Also Viper, you should be less concerned with whatever 'lies and rhetoric' are on bitcointalk forums.  If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to leave.  However note the ironic privilege you enjoy here, being able to 'correct' others - while your dear leader censors most correction.

 Do you have any sense of irony ? At least a basic self-awareness ?

The King changes the rules of the game, the peasants must obey and conform ;)

You don't argue with his lordship, King RealSolidScam.

"Gravely mistaken"??? Do you really think that altcoins of any flavor are important enough to label them "grave"? They are an alternate that is in its infancy. Unluckily for this particular baby, it was born into a village that likes to fuck around with it, with each other, with the rules, with the code, and with the ways to twist a profit out of anything we touch. Your guy created an alt that he, or his vainglorious non-profit Rangeroos can control utterly and completely. I will give credit that his marketing stays on topic- his is maniacal in staying on-message. Unfortunately that message is that his sliced bread is somehow magically better in every conceivable way, and in fact represents a complete re-invention of the concept of bread, and anyone who enjoys bread should immediately flock to his, because it will destroy all other slices in the universe by the very fact of its existence.

It is exactly the message and the delivery of that message that turns people off. Some find the misrepresentations about releasing the code to be the issue that drives their criticism, others look to the gross mis-statements about non-centralized control nodes which are in fact exactly the opposite, to be a turn-off. SC has a horrible poster child, and he scares anybody legitimate off. SC will never enjoy any significant market adoption because the self proclaimed messianic goofball who runs it is such a complete and utter failure at interpersonal communication. He is a liar, me is an arrogant braggart, and he is an unrepentant simpleton who thinks that screaming at the world will convince the world that he is right, either in person or through proxies.

You choose to be one such proxy- Yay, you! You are a savvy investor who watches and plays the markets closely. Yay, you! You want to preach the gospel of how wrong the rest of the world is because we don't fall into lockstep with you on following the screaming fuck-wit rowing the wrong way on your slave galley of fools. Yay, you, you have found purpose in the world! Dial back the vitriol, muzzle your mouthy little bitch-in-charge and the world might be able to consider SC on it's own merits without a headache from the incessant noise. Many who have taken a look at it have determined that it doesn't fit their needs, and many of those have decided to share their reasoned criticism with the world. Your shilling and pimping is not going to change facts, regardless of how many times you scream "troll" Chicken Lemon. The only sky that is falling is your own credibility for representing a really crappy batch of snake oil.

Amen.

 :-*