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Title: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 08, 2018, 04:20:00 AM
Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: bitgoldpanther1978 on September 08, 2018, 04:42:18 AM
This is a possibility with the way things are going with the market. Series of gains and declines, with sharp turns in just a matter of time. But, it is difficult to prove if there's price manipulation. For sure there are bigger investors out in the market. These investors alone has the capability to affect the price somehow.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Gembul0705 on September 08, 2018, 05:04:38 AM
For sure i believe that there are created by some whale that want to other people will FOMO so they can gain some profit. And because the manipulation like pump and dump is not illegal at crypto market. Like yesterday i have seen there is some coin that gain rapidly maybe pump if i don't forget until 150% but only in 1 exchange in another exchange it doesn't pump. Whales only want to get profit with it. And you can see at coinmarketcap if there any manipulation the price will be tag with *** this mean" *** Price/Volume Excluded - Outlier Detected".So if we know that market being manipulated we shouldn't FOMO. Just analysis market by your own if not you will be eat by Whales


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 08, 2018, 06:16:53 AM
For sure i believe that there are created by some whale that want to other people will FOMO so they can gain some profit. And because the manipulation like pump and dump is not illegal at crypto market. Like yesterday i have seen there is some coin that gain rapidly maybe pump if i don't forget until 150% but only in 1 exchange in another exchange it doesn't pump. Whales only want to get profit with it. And you can see at Coinmarketcap if there any manipulation the price will be tag with *** this mean" *** Price/Volume Excluded - Outlier Detected". So if we know that market being manipulated we shouldn't FOMO. Just analysis market by your own if not you will be eat by Whales
I hear this reasoning the most often. That it's to pump and dump. But I don't see a whole lot of pumping. I just see random dumping before the market has a chance to regain. There was plenty of pump and dumps going on in 2017 so what's the big difference? Has anyone considered that they may be buying BTC over the counter and then dumping it on the open market, yes incurring a loss but maybe as a long term investment in trying to kill crypto. Sort of like killing the competition?


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: millensharon8 on September 08, 2018, 06:44:45 AM
I would say quite a bit. There is absolutely no market that is not manipulated in some way, it is just the level of manipulation that differs. For the fact that this is an unregulated environment and a decentralized one, it makes it quite prone to being manipulated. It is probably a way for the whales to keep getting richer and richer, at the expense of the weak hands.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: bob3772 on September 08, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
100%, futures was the beginning of it because it gave another channel for manipulation. I'm not sure it's so much for profit but perhaps just to subdue bitcoin, the chief of the futures exchange said that they would kill volatility in bitcoin and that seems to be what's happening.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Dimon8 on September 08, 2018, 12:09:47 PM
I think that bitcoin and the whole crypto was invented and created for manipulating and managing the population. To do this, advertising crypto as a decentralized currency that can not be traced.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 08, 2018, 01:18:31 PM
100%, futures was the beginning of it because it gave another channel for manipulation. I'm not sure it's so much for profit but perhaps just to subdue bitcoin, the chief of the futures exchange said that they would kill volatility in bitcoin and that seems to be what's happening.
Well maybe that's a good thing if we are to expect BTC to be a currency. Who would buy a pizza with BTC if they could get it for half price next week? So if that's to be the case, then let's thank them.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 08, 2018, 01:23:43 PM
I think that bitcoin and the whole crypto was invented and created for manipulating and managing the population. To do this, advertising crypto as a decentralized currency that can not be traced.
But it can be traced and you usually can't sell it without KYC, although I'm sure there are ways. If it was created to control the population, it seems, they would have made a greater number of coins than 21 mill possible. Also, it has the potential to bypass and render the banking system obsolete. Now with DAG technology coins like Travelflex TRF have transfer times of around 30 seconds total. Banks take days. So if it was created by a branch of the government then they were attempting to oust the banking system as well. I don't really see how bitcoin controls the population.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: erickkyut on September 08, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
I think it is not about market manipulation anymore. It is about people's foolishness! One someone popular saif negative about Bitcoin, people will usually sell their coins without doing some research if the statement of that popular person is true. People tend to idolize other people who achieved something that they didn't.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: DaMut on September 08, 2018, 03:04:53 PM
I think it is not about market manipulation anymore. It is about people's foolishness! One someone popular saif negative about Bitcoin, people will usually sell their coins without doing some research if the statement of that popular person is true. People tend to idolize other people who achieved something that they didn't.

Nope,
it is totally manipulation with a little bit of foolishness inside it.
the price won't make that kind of movement if nobody did that,and it also won't make that kind of movement without people's greed and foolishness.
usually an idiot won't make any movement because they are too hesitant to do something,but once someone triggering them.
they will make a move based on that signal.
so of course it's all about manipulation.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: LogitechMouse on September 08, 2018, 03:30:17 PM
Market manipulation is happening because cryptocurrency in general is at its infancy stage at this moment and since crypto is not known to most of the people in the world, there is a small amount of money being invested into it and as a result, various institutions can manipulate it anytime they want.

If we will see the sudden dip few days ago, I believe that is one example of how the market is being manipulated now. When the post about the Goldman Sachs abandoning its plans to open a cryptocurrency trading desk is posted, bitcoin suddenly drops instantly (almost around 700-900$ drop in just one day). Days after that they posted that this news is a fake news and not it is starting to rise again.

Anyway, market manipulation will be there and I think it will never be prevented unless more money will be invested into cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: tomahawk9 on September 08, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 
There's nothing natural or organic about the recent dump. IMO it was clearly an attempt by the whales to trigger a new round of panic selling so that other whales can buy cheap. Fortunately, they couldn't crash the price below the support level (6k), so I doubt they've accomplished what they wanted in the first place. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if some weak hands decided to dump as well taking the price further down, hopefully, we got rid of them during the last drop.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: zhekinsp on September 08, 2018, 05:26:00 PM
This world is always under control some powerful people take those controls over others so it happens to the crypto market as well who holds that large enough funds to manipulate the prices were actually doing it because lot of times we can see sharp dumps and bumps shich is considered as the whales action but we also can use them to make money just understand their intention and act according to that to make money.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: jhongzjhong on September 08, 2018, 06:07:08 PM
Everywhere we go there is always manipulation and probably that was happening now in the market.
They called whales trying to manipulate the market and make the weak holder into the panic seller, in that case, many whales are happy now since the market has experienced in a deep price.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: okala on September 08, 2018, 06:43:57 PM
I strongly believe cryptocurrencies can be manipulated and that is because every market can be manipulated! We did not have any soundproof system from manipulation and many investors that has big capital has severally manipulate the market.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: kryptqnick on September 08, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
I can see that the majority of voters thinks the market is being pretty manipulated, but I still can't imagine how that might be possible. Btc's and eth's daily trading volumes are more than a billion of dollars. Moreover, there is no centralization of this trading on some couple of exchanges; the trading is dispersed into tons of them. How could anyone possibly manipulate such a strong, expensive and decentralized market? What I do believe is that what affects this market most is simply texts. News on popular websites like cointelegraph can change the weather really hard. To me it means that there are simply many investors who don't really trust in cryptocurrencies, but are trying to profit. They sell every time there's a risk to lose anything, because they don't care about the ecosystem at all, it's just business to them. They probably profit from there cycles that go from $6k to $7k pretty often lately.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: JC btc on September 08, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
That is becoming normal situation here in cryptocurrency and we cannot change the fact that there are manipulators of the price and those are the big companies or the wealthy person, but one thing we should do is to keep on holding on and just continue to invest as much as possible.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: ResonanceInvest on September 08, 2018, 08:12:03 PM
Manipulation is different. However, they are all due to the lack of liquidity of the market. Manipulator can be anyone who has a certain "power". Under the word "power", I mean a certain amount of money and the opportunity to lead people.

Here is a classic example: a currency pair of the CVCBTC (on Bittrex) where we clearly see that there is a large limit player on the market, and we clearly see where it enters and where it goes.

http://prntscr.com/ks5hey


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Holucoin10 on September 08, 2018, 09:51:00 PM
Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 

A lot of factors continues to affect the price of  BITCOIN. I believe there are market manipulations. sometimes you just see an unsual pump in a price over a month, things like this are due to games from the big market players. Likewise dump in price. Some set of big players are actually running the market and there market drive is a great factor.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Holucoin10 on September 08, 2018, 09:55:41 PM
When you see a huge drop in a coins price, people will sometimes blame it on whales that are dumping on the market. Whales are people or possibly a group of people working together to hold a large percentage of that coin and can use this to their advantage to manipulate the price of a coin to the desired price. Typically when this occurs "weak hands" will start panic selling so they can buy back into the coin at a cheaper price. Not always does his tacit work in the whales favor.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: JackdunR on September 08, 2018, 11:01:04 PM
I think no one can manipulate the market as it is now, because now the price is very low, the lowest possible, so I think this is the fall and the main reason for us to see that the market will not rise. head back


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: SakinaPrincess on September 08, 2018, 11:20:38 PM
I think that bitcoin and the whole crypto was invented and created for manipulating and managing the population. To do this, advertising crypto as a decentralized currency that can not be traced.

No thats untrue, this wasn't the cause of building the crypto world.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: richminded on September 08, 2018, 11:32:48 PM
I think no one can manipulate the market as it is now, because now the price is very low, the lowest possible, so I think this is the fall and the main reason for us to see that the market will not rise. head back
Whales can maniputale the market and they can dump this market deeper. So I really think we are being manipulated by a greedy whales since last year. This is quiet normal now in cryptomarket but I still hoping for the best in the future. Worldwide regulation maybe can prevent the manipulation, hopefully.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: hirngespenst on September 08, 2018, 11:33:42 PM
Yes, I think too that the big whales are manipulate the crypto market but that was for a short time. They can't manipulate the whole crypto market for a long time! And, manipulation is not involved in the reduction of current prices. I think government or ETF is involved in any way.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: ziac on September 08, 2018, 11:42:20 PM
Its quite obvious whales dumping causing panic and playing with the volatility of market.. Market crash hard after goldman sach fud then another release its that was a fake and exagerrated news.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Jating on September 08, 2018, 11:59:05 PM
Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 

As for the Bitcoin future contracts, I still have mix emotions if they are the cause of the bearish trend and the free fall of bitcoin price. Maybe when they entered the picture there are a lot of noob investor who don't know what Bitcoin future contracts is and just FOMO the hell out of it. So it bubbled and 2018 was the year it was burst.

This market is prone to manipulation because crypto is a speculative market. I believed that the market will take its natural course just like prior years, it will bubble the pop, then go on a bearish or hibernation phase and then go up again. As for the weak hands, we might see them getting smarter as time goes by but there's are a lot of people waiting and willing to throw their money so the cycle continues.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: wayancrypto on September 09, 2018, 01:52:15 AM
Crypto market can be manipulated because many investor have athousand BTC and they is early adopter of crypto, they can to manipulated the price to make more profit. Market manipulation not only happen in crypto market but also in stocks market. So i think this is can not be avoided because many big investor want to make more profit.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 09, 2018, 04:09:38 AM
I think it is not about market manipulation anymore. It is about people's foolishness! One someone popular saif negative about Bitcoin, people will usually sell their coins without doing some research if the statement of that popular person is true. People tend to idolize other people who achieved something that they didn't.
Fair enough but they don't seem to buy i that much on the good news.. Coud it be bad news, followed by a major sell off to spark te downtrend? so many times there is a big dump for no reason.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 09, 2018, 04:10:37 AM
Crypto market can be manipulated because many investor have athousand BTC and they is early adopter of crypto, they can to manipulated the price to make more profit. Market manipulation not only happen in crypto market but also in stocks market. So i think this is can not be avoided because many big investor want to make more profit.
I guess I don't see how selling on the open market causing a major crash helps them.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: taiwww on September 09, 2018, 04:36:33 AM
I was expecting that For Sure all the way will get more votes and thats what happening here. Yes, everyone knows very well that market manipulation is prime business here to make some good fortune. Who does that ? Off course the whales are big players in that and they will always keep doing such things all the time for their own benefit. They dont care if you are loosing money because in this game someone has to loose their money so that others can gain from it. For example, whenever there is panic seller who is selling his BTC at cheap rates then at the same time whales would be buying it. And create situation like this, market needs to be manipulated badly and they do it all the time.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 09, 2018, 08:29:25 AM
I was expecting that For Sure all the way will get more votes and thats what happening here. Yes, everyone knows very well that market manipulation is prime business here to make some good fortune. Who does that ? Off course the whales are big players in that and they will always keep doing such things all the time for their own benefit. They dont care if you are loosing money because in this game someone has to loose their money so that others can gain from it. For example, whenever there is panic seller who is selling his BTC at cheap rates then at the same time whales would be buying it. And create situation like this, market needs to be manipulated badly and they do it all the time.
I guess what I don't understand is how they make money if they sell at a loss? If they are pumping and dumping, then why is there more dumping than pumping?


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: leonix007 on September 10, 2018, 01:09:24 AM
I was expecting that For Sure all the way will get more votes and thats what happening here. Yes, everyone knows very well that market manipulation is prime business here to make some good fortune. Who does that ? Off course the whales are big players in that and they will always keep doing such things all the time for their own benefit. They dont care if you are loosing money because in this game someone has to loose their money so that others can gain from it. For example, whenever there is panic seller who is selling his BTC at cheap rates then at the same time whales would be buying it. And create situation like this, market needs to be manipulated badly and they do it all the time.
I guess what I don't understand is how they make money if they sell at a loss? If they are pumping and dumping, then why is there more dumping than pumping?

They don't sell at a loss

Intentionally they are buying at cheap price from panicking people

then Its where the pump comes in

an easy profit from the whales

Though sometimes whales, eat their own



Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: www.crypago.com on September 10, 2018, 06:09:42 AM
I was expecting that For Sure all the way will get more votes and thats what happening here. Yes, everyone knows very well that market manipulation is prime business here to make some good fortune. Who does that ? Off course the whales are big players in that and they will always keep doing such things all the time for their own benefit. They dont care if you are loosing money because in this game someone has to loose their money so that others can gain from it. For example, whenever there is panic seller who is selling his BTC at cheap rates then at the same time whales would be buying it. And create situation like this, market needs to be manipulated badly and they do it all the time.
I guess what I don't understand is how they make money if they sell at a loss? If they are pumping and dumping, then why is there more dumping than pumping?

They don't sell at a loss

Intentionally they are buying at cheap price from panicking people

then Its where the pump comes in

an easy profit from the whales

Though sometimes whales, eat their own


but where is the pump? It's just a downward spiral no matter what.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: exstasie on September 10, 2018, 07:34:57 AM
Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 
There's nothing natural or organic about the recent dump. IMO it was clearly an attempt by the whales to trigger a new round of panic selling so that other whales can buy cheap.

How do you know? If some people unload some large positions at a price resistance, is that wrong? Maybe they just thought it was a good place to sell because they expected price to drop. How do you know it's whales and not lots of smaller holders?

Crypto market can be manipulated because many investor have athousand BTC and they is early adopter of crypto, they can to manipulated the price to make more profit. 

These beliefs people have about whales aren't grounded in reality. Bitcoin's entire price history is up-up-up, with thin books everywhere you look. You really think whales who dump hundreds or thousands of coins are always able to recoup them? No way! Lots of whales have been harpooned and are just little fish like everyone else now. Coins have been distributed a lot over the past several years.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: manggis97 on September 10, 2018, 08:16:57 AM
Market manipulation can be happen not only in crypto market  but also in stocks market,  this is can be possible because the trading volume and the market cap of that asset is small . I found many telegram channel that want to pump the price of the coin with given signal to many trader, that also is price manipulation.   When the market cap of asset consist of A trillion will be hard to manipulate it like gold that consist of more than $7 trillion so will be hard to manipulate the price.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Maricel2017 on September 10, 2018, 08:23:21 AM
IMO only whales can manipulate the market, if they want to get huge income they starting to pump and dump the value of coin once they reach the target investors they will stop and bring back the value at the normal, that is why if you are investor be wise and dont be too greedy just focus on the major coins in the market that makes your feeling more comfortable to invest.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Reid on September 10, 2018, 09:28:19 AM
Joining them together will be equal to a big dump which is happening right now.

But I do have a theory that a larger percentage came from the weak hands.
Why?
The news that was spread was so wrong.
Exampels:

ICO's will make you rich in just a little amount of time.(Anyone remembers the kid's blog?)

Bitcoin jumps to 20k USD.
ETH at 1k and more.

All of these leads to new people coming to crypto industry thinks it will be fast profits.
But it didnt happen. So where will they go?

I remember one lady in telegram talking about her family laughing at her.
This is the truth. Just so they wont be embarassed with their friends and families they decided to go sell out.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: gabmen on September 11, 2018, 07:41:35 AM
IMO only whales can manipulate the market, if they want to get huge income they starting to pump and dump the value of coin once they reach the target investors they will stop and bring back the value at the normal, that is why if you are investor be wise and dont be too greedy just focus on the major coins in the market that makes your feeling more comfortable to invest.

Well they're the only ones who have the means to move the market with the amount they're holding. And i agree, this is something that's alreadt beyond us regular traders and holders so we just have to learn how to cope with how they play the market.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Kira_lapa on September 11, 2018, 08:38:24 AM
I, too, share the view that the market is being manipulated. Because there are cases when the market either does not react to news, or reacts not as the majority expects from it. It is too unpredictable, it is impossible to give an accurate prediction.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Husecomang on September 12, 2018, 01:06:09 PM
I was expecting that For Sure all the way will get more votes and thats what happening here. Yes, everyone knows very well that market manipulation is prime business here to make some good fortune. Who does that ? Off course the whales are big players in that and they will always keep doing such things all the time for their own benefit. They dont care if you are loosing money because in this game someone has to loose their money so that others can gain from it. For example, whenever there is panic seller who is selling his BTC at cheap rates then at the same time whales would be buying it. And create situation like this, market needs to be manipulated badly and they do it all the time.
I guess what I don't understand is how they make money if they sell at a loss? If they are pumping and dumping, then why is there more dumping than pumping?

They don't sell at a loss

Intentionally they are buying at cheap price from panicking people

then Its where the pump comes in

an easy profit from the whales

Though sometimes whales, eat their own


Always an easy profit for them as long as the market keeps remaining speculative in nature. This is one of the reasons why we have always said things like people should focus more on the currency aspect and the value it brings as well as real life usage than wanting to get rich overnight.

As long as there are people with such emotions and they tend to be a reactionary investor based on price movement and speculation, then they are the ones the whales obviously target and for that reason, they tend to gain so much from manipulating the market.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: SubZer0 on September 12, 2018, 03:49:35 PM
Market manipulators are nasty souls, they basically enter a market, and either drive prices up, then sell out causing a crash after momentum has developed, or they drive prices down to buy cheaply. I've seen both and they can be deadly.I'm not so much complaining about this as much as I'm trying to spread awareness, or at least confirm my suspicions, though, I'm pretty sure. My goal is to inform other, less shady crypto users like myself so maybe we can all benefit from these.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Docnaster on September 12, 2018, 07:53:18 PM
I am 100% certain that the whales, institutions and governments individuals are colluding with one another to alter the prices, it is human nature to be greedy even if it is at the expense of millions. The best way to avoid this situation is to be a whale yourself, and that's quite difficult to achieve nowadays.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: EXtremeAEX on September 12, 2018, 08:10:45 PM
I think that the market is completely manipulative. Exchanges and whales are now profitable that the price of bitcoin was such, so they will in every way restrain it from growth. It will grow when its becomes profitable for whales.
People are just a crowd that always acts the same in the same situations. Whales simply create certain conditions, and the crowd reacts in the same way and acts according to the created situation. Unfortunately, we, simple people are beyond the power to change anything, we just try to make money in these terms.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: bastian466 on September 12, 2018, 08:14:10 PM
It is still a mystery with market movements this year that have experienced the collapse of all altcoins as if it would be like extinction of many of my news theory opinions as people down just sitting frantically watching the real events on the field


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: exstasie on September 13, 2018, 01:02:08 AM
I am 100% certain that the whales, institutions and governments individuals are colluding with one another to alter the prices, it is human nature to be greedy even if it is at the expense of millions. The best way to avoid this situation is to be a whale yourself, and that's quite difficult to achieve nowadays.

It might be human nature to be greedy, I can agree with that. But it's extremely unlikely that any one group of actors is capable of collusion on this scale. Back in the old days when there were only a handful of exchanges, maybe. But now the market is very distributed and global, with much more order book depth than years ago.

Manipulating the price upwards at these prices across all markets would take ridiculous amounts of capital, on deposit at unregulated and opaque foreign exchanges no less. Manipulating the price downwards requires ridiculous amounts of BTC, which is much harder to come by. There are less whales than you think. The ones stupid enough to try pushing prices around don't stay whales for long. ;)


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: metribitcoin on October 17, 2018, 02:10:02 AM
All market can be manipulated , even in stocks and forex market that has higher market cap than crypto also possible to manipulate it. The manipulater market is big player who have alot of money. But when crypto to be multi trilliun dollar market cap will be more difficult to manipulate it. Like gold that has more than $7 trillion market cap is hard to manipulate the price.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Coin_trader on October 17, 2018, 02:27:38 AM
I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: BitcoinTurk on October 17, 2018, 04:58:14 AM
Unfortunately, both the big investors and the industry's leading sites are constantly manipulating the market. This situation is becoming an advantage for many large investors, especially if there is no regulation in the market. With this advantage, investors entering intense buying orders are bulging the price and making the price fall in the investors entering the intense sales order.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Golftech on October 17, 2018, 06:14:07 AM
I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.
They can do that, as crypto market still unknown or anonymous we can't tell if there's already billionaires who also playing inside, this manipulation as mentioned needs to be done by a large capital, it is not impossible for wealthy businessman to look around and see the potentials as they always looking
for advantages that they can take to make more profits.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: arpon11 on October 17, 2018, 06:24:06 AM
Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 
To me they choice matter to average traders because when we are talking about manipulations we are saying something that happened that we don't know but has infect on the pricing.  I strongly believe that great manipulations are going on in cryptocurrencies market and the whales and institutionals investors makes they money through manipulating of the cryptocurrencies market!  This is not limited to cryptocurrency markets but to all our traditional market such as forex, Stocks and commodities.  If you did not know how to play along , you will lose and it is good you have this in mind, before venture into cryptocurrencies trading.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: iv4n on October 17, 2018, 06:48:04 AM
I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.
They can do that, as crypto market still unknown or anonymous we can't tell if there's already billionaires who also playing inside, this manipulation as mentioned needs to be done by a large capital, it is not impossible for wealthy businessman to look around and see the potentials as they always looking
for advantages that they can take to make more profits.
And how many people think that all the banks are one big scam? But still most of us still use their services. Every market is vulnerable to many sorts of manipulations, the ones who cry about this manipulations are the one who don't know how to use then and earn from them. If you ask me entire system is one big manipulation, life isn't same for the king and slave.
Today everything is or can be an object of manipulation. Believe it or not, crypto market isn't different. Some group of whales can manipulate with supply, rich people can manipulate with demand, news can manipulate with masses, every market suffer from their ideas sometimes.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Slowhand26 on October 17, 2018, 07:55:02 AM
Back in 2017 it was published that certain powers will crack down on cryptocurrency in 2018. Comments by institutional representatives like "oh there just kids playing in the sand box. They'll lose interest soon." leave some wondering what they meant by these statements. Some say that the moment BTC Futures came online, the market just started tanking, and never really stopped. The double, or is it triple dip that happened here in mid Sept seemed odd to many. Commentators claimed that "unusual market activity" occurred just before it tanked. Many chalked it up to a decision by Goldman Sachs but do their choices really matter THAT much to average traders? Do you feel this market just flows naturally and it's just weak hands throwing money into the wind again and again? Or do you feel that there is a more sinister hand at work here? 

For me Crypto market is being ran by certain "whales" which is somehow uncontrollable unlike the traditional stock market


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Aivaryamal on October 17, 2018, 07:59:39 AM
The market is being manipulated now to bring out small investors and those who are worried about their investments to buy cryptocurrencies at low prices


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: sinkfish on October 17, 2018, 09:01:36 AM
sure there is manipulation. that's why the market will bull and bear. it wont move if someone not making any move.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: enhu on October 17, 2018, 09:24:47 AM


when money is involve there is always manipulation, its coordinated and institutions with huge funds who are aiming to control the market are behind it but of course they are also in a constant battle after all its about manipulating to their own advantage. Obviously those who got massive amount of BTC due to last year's pump won big. They may try once again but they'd have to wait for another entrants to play around in the new market.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Madara_Uchiha on October 17, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
I think the market is being manipulated but not 100% controlled. If any coin has risen sharply in price, and then fell sharply, it is definitely manipulation. Also, if the coin reacts to the news not as expected from it, it can also be manipulation.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: FirstGlobalCredit on October 17, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
Market manipulation is absolutely endemic and not limited to crypto. Have a look at the bank run dark pools in the conventional stock markets which takes billions in value out of markets while providing no perceptable benefit. (And I DO NOT buy the liquidity argument) Big picture, I think there is less manipulation in crypto than conventional markets because the professionals are not bothering with it because the markets are too small, beneathe their notice.
It's the world we live in unfortunately.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: jcpone on October 17, 2018, 03:20:09 PM
Cryptocurrency market is somehow manipulated especially with a decentralized system. I agree that some of these whales are the early bitcoin holders and some whales are the bigtime individuals and companies. This market really involves a lot of money. Now, can regulation minimize manipulation?


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Kolder on October 17, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
Cryptocurrency market is somehow manipulated especially with a decentralized system. I agree that some of these whales are the early bitcoin holders and some whales are the bigtime individuals and companies. This market really involves a lot of money. Now, can regulation minimize manipulation?
It can if those whales were strong enough to state all their liabilities , but still hard to do since its decentralised and controlling crypto aren't that suitable in coins uses.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: wuvdoll on October 18, 2018, 01:57:42 AM
I do not think it is manipulated that much anymore. The reason why I say that is because the price was going above $7.2k levels (once hit $8k and another time hit $7.7k) and came back down to $6.4k levels multiple times during this summer whereas right now even when someone bought like 500 million dollar bitcoin with his usdt and there was a tether crisis and all that the price jumped like 3-5% at max and not much more.

This tells me the manipulation is getting lesser and lesser everyday for some reason because if there was manipulation in the market when that happened manipulators would have taken advantage of that and bought as much as they can and increase the price and than dump it at above 7.2k levels again. Since, they didn't do it and they haven't done that for couple months now I am thinking the manipulation is getting lesser and lesser.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Siren on October 18, 2018, 03:50:47 AM
Everything is possible here in cryptocurrency just like what happening is real life,power controls the world and this is not different world when whales are the powerful accounts and can do everyting they want,specially manipulation when by this they can earn easy money,all they need to do is pay for those who will create fud and fake news so the value will drop because of the weak and panicking cryptonians,and also they can buy large amount of bitcoin to pump and when others buys with thn,then they will withdraw for a easy income


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Coin_trader on October 18, 2018, 03:56:40 AM
It is possible for some whales to manipulate a certain coin in some period of time, not for a very long period but for just some particular time. The whales could manipulate the market if they have the most numbers of the total supply. They could manipulate the price and control the supply when they hold the majority of the total token supply.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
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Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: cunguks on October 18, 2018, 05:37:36 AM
I am 100% certain that the whales, institutions and governments individuals are colluding with one another to alter the prices, it is human nature to be greedy even if it is at the expense of millions. The best way to avoid this situation is to be a whale yourself, and that's quite difficult to achieve nowadays.
As people with mediocre in term of capital trading, it becomes nearly-impossible to be able to participate in manipulating what is happening in the market. We can only go with the flow and try to use the flow so that we can produce some little profit for us to get. We must adapt in an environment that distinguishes influence based on capital owned. Every trader has his own fighting method, so we don't need to try to be whales so that we can contribute to the market turmoil.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: Yamifoud on October 18, 2018, 05:38:35 AM
Its gonna be normal for now and even politicians have a huge control for these( I think). Anyways, it won't scared for us since knowing that they don't have control the entire market and community participation might contribute a huge help so won't bring into centralized form.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: prtty2gal2 on October 18, 2018, 12:00:16 PM
I think it is really difficult to manipulate the market but it is not impossible, a trader or group of traders need a large amount of capital to make it real and it could be true to just a certain token or coins if they are able to get the majority of it's supply at the market so they could set the price and manipulate the market.
The difficulty actually depends on each market. Stocks can be manipulated somehow, but not on a large scale proportion the way we are having what is going on in cryptocurrency space at the moment.

But one thing that is certain is that anyone who is caught manipulating the stock market will really get to have themselves blame for making such a decision as there are regulations and laws in place against that, which is something that is not yet available in this market and that makes it an easy target for manipulators and before we will even get to see much at all, we might as well just start seeing the way things go with mainstream adoption.


Title: Re: Market manipulation
Post by: yndye on October 18, 2018, 12:46:04 PM
It is possible for some whales to manipulate a certain coin in some period of time, not for a very long period but for just some particular time. The whales could manipulate the market if they have the most numbers of the total supply. They could manipulate the price and control the supply when they hold the majority of the total token supply.

It would still depend on the volume of the coin. If those big holders of the supply of the  coin would decide to dump the price then they can do so and they can do the opposite as well which is to pump the coin. They may do it for just a short amount of time or it may take weeks before they decide to sell their holdings. They may start by spreading good news about the project and if it will catch the attention of the people, price would slowly climb and for those retail traders, they should always be on alert for cases of sudden pump and dump.